Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

Have you considered moving back to Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, ?
or are you looking for someplace you haven't lived before?


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sun, 13 May 2012 17:12:12 -0600 Brian Toscano
>  wrote:
>
> > Are you applying for mostly government engineering/scientific jobs?
>
> No, I'm also applying to commercial and industrial positions.
>
>
> > Are you looking to get out of NM or just get another job?
>
> Since I'm not permitted to work at a DOE facility for another year, and
> since Los Alamos National Laboratory is the big employer in Los Alamos
> and Sandia National Laboratory is the big employer in Albuquerque, there
> isn't much engineering/scientific else available.
>
> And, yes, I'd like to get out of NM.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Speed

[Brian Toscano]

What I like best about Montana is the attitude "if you don't like our laws,
don't come here."

In other states, not all speeding tickets will show up on your license.  It
depends on the where and the circumstances.  In New Mexico, rural speeding
tickets generally are not reported, at least on the interstate.  That and a
lack of law enforcement probably explains why people cruise on I-25 over
100 MPH in the middle of nowhere.  In Knoxville, TN the city has something
called "interstate speeding" where if you are stopped by a city cop at less
than 75 MPH on the interstate, it is considered a "fine" that is not
reported to the state (which actually violates state law, but that's a
whole other matter...)  Other states will not post out of state violations
to your driving record.  With these companies buying public records though,
it may still show up at some point somewhere else.


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> On the flip side, Montana thumbed their nose at the federal government
>> when
>> it comes to speed limits.  Back when the national speed limit was 55 MPH,
>> to comply with federal law, Montana made it a $5 fine.
>>
>
> And better yet, it was unreported.  You just give the oncifer a Lincoln
> and say thank you and you are on your way.  I still have good vibes for
> Montana over that!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

Are you applying for mostly government engineering/scientific jobs?  Are
you looking to get out of NM or just get another job?



On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:28:40 -0600 Brian Toscano
>  wrote:
>
> > There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay.  You could
> > live in Maryland and cross the bridge.  Its worth noting that in the
> > MD/VA/DC area income taxes are paid where you live, not where you work
> > because they all have reciprocity with one another.
>
> An interesting fact I did not know. And, yes, I've found some jobs in the
> DC/MD area. I've already applied, but I'm told it will be 3 - 5 months
> before I hear anything.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

Doesn't Allen live in Portage IN outside of Chicago?

That's about 215 miles up the road.


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> I used to go to Crane all the time. Largest non-public rail system in the
> US. You can't get more rural than Crane, for sure. A beautiful area if you
> are an outdoors person.
>
> Allan would be a crispy critter in the event of a nuke attack. Crane is a
> high priority target due to the large amount of ordinance stored in them
> thar hills.
>
> Dan
>
>
> Allan Streib  wrote:
>
> >Craig  writes:
> >
> >> I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ...
> >
> >Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center.  Yes it's pretty much in
> >the middle of nowhere.
> >
> >Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

By comparison, if you work in NY but live in another state, you pay NYS
(and NYC if you work in NYC) first and then pay taxes to your home state.
 Since the states generally credit taxes to another state, you may no
income taxes to your home state because NY took them all.


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay.  You could
> live in Maryland and cross the bridge.  Its worth noting that in the
> MD/VA/DC area income taxes are paid where you live, not where you work
> because they all have reciprocity with one another.
>
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Craig  writes:
>>
>> > I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ...
>>
>> Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center.  Yes it's pretty much in
>> the middle of nowhere.
>>
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay.  You could
live in Maryland and cross the bridge.  Its worth noting that in the
MD/VA/DC area income taxes are paid where you live, not where you work
because they all have reciprocity with one another.


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Craig  writes:
>
> > I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ...
>
> Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center.  Yes it's pretty much in
> the middle of nowhere.
>
> Allan
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

NJ is also a state where the speed limit on the turnpike will suddenly drop
to 35 MPH (from 65 MPH) in a work zone that doesn't need a speed limit that
low.  The cops can sit their and pull someone over if they feel like it and
write you a ticket.. meanwhile traffic whizzes by at 75 MPH "they can't get
us all"


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Another thing to consider is that as you go from South to North, you are
> less likely to be imprisoned.  In South Carolina the penalty for speeding
> in a work zone is up to "$500 and 30 days" and is clearly posted in work
> zones.
>
> But, you are also more likely to show up in court and defend yourself.
>
> If you get a speeding ticket in NJ you cannot show up to court without a
> lawyer and it is generally worth the cost to pay a lawyer to negotiate the
> ticket down to keep your car insurance low.
>
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> Its worth noting in the Eastern metro areas it is completely possible to
>> live without a car or even a driver's license.  In Manhattan it can cost at
>> least $500/month to garage your car if and car insurance is also very high,
>> leaving many no to have cars, and those that do to park them at friend's or
>> family who live in Upstate NY or NJ.  In the D.C. area you can use the
>> metro to get around, get to the airport, etc.  Boston may be similar, but I
>> have no references there.  The attitudes of people are also very different
>> on the East Coast.  Thay live a faster pace of life, more in a hurry, but
>> also can be more confrontational.  If they don't like you they are more
>> likely to give you the finger or tell you so.  As the saying goes "people
>> in the South  are more likey to tab you in the back, and people in the New
>> York stab you in the front."  In the Midwest or Rockies people tend to be
>> more laid back.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Brian Toscano 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are
>>> acknowledged to be high by the state government.  When completing state
>>> taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for property taxes and
>>> deduct it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Brian Toscano 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no
>>>> sales tax on groceries.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The property taxes down here are under control.  As Indiana did
>>>>> recently, property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's
>>>>> assessed (not market) value.  That being said, the assessments are pretty
>>>>> close to spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the
>>>>> last few years.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a
>>>>> $50,000 homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over
>>>>> $2,800.  Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this
>>>>> reasonable. This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup,
>>>>> I might add.
>>>>>
>>>>> The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people
>>>>> were buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the
>>>>> change in ownership.  The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous
>>>>> owner, sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we
>>>>> sold in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have
>>>>> relatively high
>>>>> > property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates
>>>>> higher
>>>>> > than property taxes are not uncommon).
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

Another thing to consider is that as you go from South to North, you are
less likely to be imprisoned.  In South Carolina the penalty for speeding
in a work zone is up to "$500 and 30 days" and is clearly posted in work
zones.

But, you are also more likely to show up in court and defend yourself.

If you get a speeding ticket in NJ you cannot show up to court without a
lawyer and it is generally worth the cost to pay a lawyer to negotiate the
ticket down to keep your car insurance low.


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Its worth noting in the Eastern metro areas it is completely possible to
> live without a car or even a driver's license.  In Manhattan it can cost at
> least $500/month to garage your car if and car insurance is also very high,
> leaving many no to have cars, and those that do to park them at friend's or
> family who live in Upstate NY or NJ.  In the D.C. area you can use the
> metro to get around, get to the airport, etc.  Boston may be similar, but I
> have no references there.  The attitudes of people are also very different
> on the East Coast.  Thay live a faster pace of life, more in a hurry, but
> also can be more confrontational.  If they don't like you they are more
> likely to give you the finger or tell you so.  As the saying goes "people
> in the South  are more likey to tab you in the back, and people in the New
> York stab you in the front."  In the Midwest or Rockies people tend to be
> more laid back.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are
>> acknowledged to be high by the state government.  When completing state
>> taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for property taxes and
>> deduct it.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Brian Toscano 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no
>>> sales tax on groceries.
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The property taxes down here are under control.  As Indiana did
>>>> recently, property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's
>>>> assessed (not market) value.  That being said, the assessments are pretty
>>>> close to spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the
>>>> last few years.
>>>>
>>>> On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a $50,000
>>>> homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over $2,800.
>>>>  Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this reasonable.
>>>> This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup, I might add.
>>>>
>>>> The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people
>>>> were buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the
>>>> change in ownership.  The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous
>>>> owner, sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford.
>>>>
>>>> Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we
>>>> sold in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have
>>>> relatively high
>>>> > property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates
>>>> higher
>>>> > than property taxes are not uncommon).
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a
>>>> restaurant,
>>>> >> not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dan
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot
>>>> >> recall
>>>> >>> if they tax heated/cooked food.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast

Re: [MBZ] Speed

[Brian Toscano]

Yes, VA and DC are the only two jurisdictions in the country where radar
detectors are illegal.

Basically if you think along the lines of "VA hates people and hates cars
more" you're not far off.  Did you know that in VA if they sent your tax
bill to the wrong address, send you a bill for the incorrect amount, or
mess up your income taxes, you are liable for penalties and interest from
the date the tax is due.

Its a worthless state that's still fighting the Civil War, hates gays, and
hates women.


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Speaking of I-95 -- it usually moves along (where it moves along) at 80 or
> so.  What is interesting is that the further north you go, the more
> nannyism appears -- crossing the border into NC from SC you see a few signs
> warning of dire consequences, crossing from NC to VA there are like 6 signs
> within a quarter-mile -- seatbelts!  speed cops!  speed aircraft!
>  littering!  blahblah.  Then even further up -- radar detectors!  (that one
> might be in VA too, I can't recall) etc etc.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 5/13/12 2:28 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> Take VA for example - anything 80MPH and over is
>> considered reckless driving, even though the state has a maximum speed
>> limit of 70MPH.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

Its worth noting in the Eastern metro areas it is completely possible to
live without a car or even a driver's license.  In Manhattan it can cost at
least $500/month to garage your car if and car insurance is also very high,
leaving many no to have cars, and those that do to park them at friend's or
family who live in Upstate NY or NJ.  In the D.C. area you can use the
metro to get around, get to the airport, etc.  Boston may be similar, but I
have no references there.  The attitudes of people are also very different
on the East Coast.  Thay live a faster pace of life, more in a hurry, but
also can be more confrontational.  If they don't like you they are more
likely to give you the finger or tell you so.  As the saying goes "people
in the South  are more likey to tab you in the back, and people in the New
York stab you in the front."  In the Midwest or Rockies people tend to be
more laid back.



On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are
> acknowledged to be high by the state government.  When completing state
> taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for property taxes and
> deduct it.
>
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> 1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no sales
>> tax on groceries.
>>
>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>
>>> The property taxes down here are under control.  As Indiana did
>>> recently, property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's
>>> assessed (not market) value.  That being said, the assessments are pretty
>>> close to spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the
>>> last few years.
>>>
>>> On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a $50,000
>>> homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over $2,800.
>>>  Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this reasonable.
>>> This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup, I might add.
>>>
>>> The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people
>>> were buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the
>>> change in ownership.  The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous
>>> owner, sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford.
>>>
>>> Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we
>>> sold in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>
>>> > Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively
>>> high
>>> > property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates
>>> higher
>>> > than property taxes are not uncommon).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a
>>> restaurant,
>>> >> not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store.
>>> >>
>>> >> Dan
>>> >>
>>> >> On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot
>>> >> recall
>>> >>> if they tax heated/cooked food.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the
>>> past
>>> >>> few years some states have reduced them.  In the Southeast where
>>> >>> city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been
>>> to
>>> >>> eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax
>>> intact.
>>> >>> For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state +
>>> 2.25-2.75%
>>> >>> county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75%
>>> >> county).
>>> >>> In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%.  In VA 2.5% (1.5%
>>> >> state
>>> >>> + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local).  NC is
>>> >>> 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county
>>> taxes).
>>> >>

Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are
acknowledged to be high by the state government.  When completing state
taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for property taxes and
deduct it.


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> 1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no sales
> tax on groceries.
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
>> The property taxes down here are under control.  As Indiana did recently,
>> property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's assessed
>> (not market) value.  That being said, the assessments are pretty close to
>> spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the last few
>> years.
>>
>> On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a $50,000
>> homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over $2,800.
>>  Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this reasonable.
>> This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup, I might add.
>>
>> The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people were
>> buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the change in
>> ownership.  The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous owner,
>> sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford.
>>
>> Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we sold
>> in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>
>> > Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively
>> high
>> > property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates
>> higher
>> > than property taxes are not uncommon).
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a
>> restaurant,
>> >> not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store.
>> >>
>> >> Dan
>> >>
>> >> On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot.
>> >>>
>> >>> It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot
>> >> recall
>> >>> if they tax heated/cooked food.
>> >>>
>> >>> Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the
>> past
>> >>> few years some states have reduced them.  In the Southeast where
>> >>> city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to
>> >>> eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax
>> intact.
>> >>> For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state +
>> 2.25-2.75%
>> >>> county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75%
>> >> county).
>> >>> In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%.  In VA 2.5% (1.5%
>> >> state
>> >>> + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local).  NC is
>> >>> 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes).
>> >> GA
>> >>> doesn't tax groceries.  I'm sure other states tax groceries as well.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib > >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Brian Toscano  writes:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to
>> >>>> property
>> >>>>> taxes.  At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and
>> >> may/may
>> >>>>> not tax clothes.  NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding
>> "ready to
>> >>>> eat" prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it?  We don't have it in
>> >>>> Indiana.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Allan
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
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>> >>>> 1979 300SD
>> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no sales
tax on groceries.

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> The property taxes down here are under control.  As Indiana did recently,
> property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's assessed
> (not market) value.  That being said, the assessments are pretty close to
> spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the last few
> years.
>
> On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a $50,000
> homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over $2,800.
>  Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this reasonable.
> This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup, I might add.
>
> The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people were
> buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the change in
> ownership.  The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous owner,
> sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford.
>
> Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we sold
> in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively
> high
> > property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates
> higher
> > than property taxes are not uncommon).
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >
> >> Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant,
> >> not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> >>
> >>> Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot.
> >>>
> >>> It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot
> >> recall
> >>> if they tax heated/cooked food.
> >>>
> >>> Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the
> past
> >>> few years some states have reduced them.  In the Southeast where
> >>> city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to
> >>> eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax
> intact.
> >>> For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state +
> 2.25-2.75%
> >>> county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75%
> >> county).
> >>> In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%.  In VA 2.5% (1.5%
> >> state
> >>> + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local).  NC is
> >>> 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes).
> >> GA
> >>> doesn't tax groceries.  I'm sure other states tax groceries as well.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib  >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Brian Toscano  writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to
> >>>> property
> >>>>> taxes.  At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and
> >> may/may
> >>>>> not tax clothes.  NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding "ready
> to
> >>>> eat" prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it?  We don't have it in
> >>>> Indiana.
> >>>>
> >>>> Allan
> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Speed

[Brian Toscano]

While I don't suggest exceeding the speed limit by 50%, some states have
draconian speed limit laws which help foster a belief that that speed limit
laws are stupid.  Take VA for example - anything 80MPH and over is
considered reckless driving, even though the state has a maximum speed
limit of 70MPH.

On the flip side, Montana thumbed their nose at the federal government when
it comes to speed limits.  Back when the national speed limit was 55 MPH,
to comply with federal law, Montana made it a $5 fine.


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I went through this with some of my classmates in high school, it doesn't
>> matter what YOU THINK a reasonable speed is, there is a posted speed which
>> is the law.
>>
>
> Yes, maybe.  But then, how were the original speed limits
> set in the first place?  They watched the roads, and set them
> at the speed at which most people were driving.
>
> Interesting, eh?
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

The Southeast is also pretty pro-gun, whereas as you go farther North you
run into strong anti-gun legislation such as in MD or NJ.

VT is notable in that it does not (or did not) issue concealed carry
permits because it is legal by default.  VT gun law basically says we don't
cary what you do with your guns, just don't have them on school property.


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively
> high property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates
> higher than property taxes are not uncommon).
>
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
>> Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant,
>> not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>
>> > Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot.
>> >
>> > It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot
>> recall
>> > if they tax heated/cooked food.
>> >
>> > Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past
>> > few years some states have reduced them.  In the Southeast where
>> > city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to
>> > eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax
>> intact.
>> > For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75%
>> > county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75%
>> county).
>> > In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%.  In VA 2.5% (1.5%
>> state
>> > + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local).  NC is
>> > 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes).
>>  GA
>> > doesn't tax groceries.  I'm sure other states tax groceries as well.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Brian Toscano  writes:
>> >>
>> >>> Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to
>> >> property
>> >>> taxes.  At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and
>> may/may
>> >>> not tax clothes.  NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH.
>> >>
>> >> Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding "ready
>> to
>> >> eat" prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it?  We don't have it in
>> >> Indiana.
>> >>
>> >> Allan
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high
property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher
than property taxes are not uncommon).


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant,
> not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store.
>
> Dan
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot.
> >
> > It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot
> recall
> > if they tax heated/cooked food.
> >
> > Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past
> > few years some states have reduced them.  In the Southeast where
> > city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to
> > eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact.
> > For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75%
> > county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75%
> county).
> > In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%.  In VA 2.5% (1.5%
> state
> > + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local).  NC is
> > 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes).
>  GA
> > doesn't tax groceries.  I'm sure other states tax groceries as well.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib  >wrote:
> >
> >> Brian Toscano  writes:
> >>
> >>> Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to
> >> property
> >>> taxes.  At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and
> may/may
> >>> not tax clothes.  NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH.
> >>
> >> Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding "ready to
> >> eat" prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it?  We don't have it in
> >> Indiana.
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot.

It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall
if they tax heated/cooked food.

Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past
few years some states have reduced them.  In the Southeast where
city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to
eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact.
 For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75%
county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county).
 In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%.  In VA 2.5% (1.5% state
+ 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local).  NC is
2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes).  GA
doesn't tax groceries.  I'm sure other states tax groceries as well.


On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Brian Toscano  writes:
>
> > Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to
> property
> > taxes.  At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may
> > not tax clothes.  NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH.
>
> Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding "ready to
> eat" prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it?  We don't have it in
> Indiana.
>
> Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] BAS

[Brian Toscano]

Perhaps on of the auto makers could design an air bag system to protect the
car as well as the occupants.  Like an airbag out the rear bumper to reduce
the impact in rear end collisions.


On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

> I think the system measures the speed at which the accelerator pedal is
> released and the time between the foot leaving the accelerator and touching
> the brakes.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Brake_assist
> http://4x4abc.com/4WD101/BAS_**how.html
> However it also senses the speed at which the brake pedal is pushed
> because if you are using cruise control the foot is not on the go fast
> pedal.
> Also it has to be considered that you may see the deer too late, or your
> reactions are not what they used to be and having the car provide extra
> stopping power might be the difference between a near miss and a bad
> accident.
> Another factor is that some ladies do not have the same strength in their
> legs as men and will not be able to push as hard on the stop pedal.
> Basically I can't see how this is a bad system. Yes I can understand that
> if some stoner sits up your backside and has spongy brakes in his kombi, he
> will more than likely bash into the back of you but that is likely to
> happen BAS or not.
> And having unsecured things in a car cabin is a silly thing to do but we
> all do em, also I generally place them in the front footwell or on the rear
> seat.
>
> Hendrik
> who has to do his BAS
>
>
> On 13/05/12 10:25, relng...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> One more reason to own an old Benz.  If I stab the brakes to just
>>> miss a
>>> deer running in front of me I surely don't want the car to decide that I
>>> need to brake more.  Too bad folks just can't take the time to learn to
>>> drive well instead of depending on the car to make up for their
>>> shortcomings...
>>>
>>>  Piffle. Brake assist measures the speed of the brake application and
>> decides if it's a panic stop and if so applies full braking. The instant
>> the
>> driver backs off the brakes revert to normal. MB did some kind of study
>> and
>> determined that few drivers apply the brakes hard enough in a panic
>> situation.
>>
>> I am on my second BAS car and have felt it in action plenty of times.
>> There
>> are no down sides to it and my C300 will outbrake any of my former MBs.
>>
>> RLE
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

I guess it really depends on what you're after when you move.

Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property
taxes.  At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may
not tax clothes.  NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH.

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> I-95 connects the major East Coast cities.  The parts around the major
> cities will suffer the daily rush hour problems.  The rural areas can see
> heavy traffic during holidays/peak travel seasons as many will travel from
> the Northeast to Florida along I-95.  Part of I-95 in the Northeast are
> toll road though once you get south of Baltimore it is free.
>
> The NY/NJ/CT metro area locally known as the "Tri State Area" is the
> largest metro area in the U.S.  You can have a traffic jam on the GW at
> 2AM.  GW=George Washington Bridge, connecting NY/NJ.
>
> Connecticut is sometimes considered New England, but I would say only the
> parts of near MA or RI would be considered New England.  Greenwich,
> Stamford, etc. would be NYC metro.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Craig  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:40:03 -0600 Brian Toscano
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Well that explains it!  What states has Craig lived in?  For some
>> > reason I thought he lived/had lived in MA.
>>
>> As a small child, Minnesota, Montana, and Washington.
>>
>> Growing up, California (Los Angeles and Pasadena).
>>
>> Out on my own in the USAF, Colorado (Colorado Springs), Florida
>> Panhandle, California (Sacramento).
>>
>> After the USAF, California (San Luis Obispo), Colorado (Colorado
>> Springs), Texas (Austin), New Mexico (Los Alamos).
>>
>> I'm looking for a job and wondering what various parts of the country are
>> like so I can decide if I want to apply to a job in a particular location.
>>
>>
>>
>> > I live in Greenwich, CT for a short time, right near the NY state line.
>>
>> Yes, that is right near the NY state line! I had not realized that
>> Connecticut has a rectangular "snout" poking down into New York.
>>
>>
>> > As you get farther from NY, the Wall Street influence goes away.
>>
>> That's nice to know.
>>
>>
>> > If I wanted to go to nearby Stamford I-95 was guaranteed to be backed
>> > up, so it was nice living within walking of downtown Greenwich.
>>
>> Is I-95 backed up along its entire length, or only near New York City and
>> Boston?
>>
>>
>> > The coast along Long Island Sound is beautiful, and as you go farther
>> > North it is much more rural.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

I-95 connects the major East Coast cities.  The parts around the major
cities will suffer the daily rush hour problems.  The rural areas can see
heavy traffic during holidays/peak travel seasons as many will travel from
the Northeast to Florida along I-95.  Part of I-95 in the Northeast are
toll road though once you get south of Baltimore it is free.

The NY/NJ/CT metro area locally known as the "Tri State Area" is the
largest metro area in the U.S.  You can have a traffic jam on the GW at
2AM.  GW=George Washington Bridge, connecting NY/NJ.

Connecticut is sometimes considered New England, but I would say only the
parts of near MA or RI would be considered New England.  Greenwich,
Stamford, etc. would be NYC metro.





On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:40:03 -0600 Brian Toscano
>  wrote:
>
> > Well that explains it!  What states has Craig lived in?  For some
> > reason I thought he lived/had lived in MA.
>
> As a small child, Minnesota, Montana, and Washington.
>
> Growing up, California (Los Angeles and Pasadena).
>
> Out on my own in the USAF, Colorado (Colorado Springs), Florida
> Panhandle, California (Sacramento).
>
> After the USAF, California (San Luis Obispo), Colorado (Colorado
> Springs), Texas (Austin), New Mexico (Los Alamos).
>
> I'm looking for a job and wondering what various parts of the country are
> like so I can decide if I want to apply to a job in a particular location.
>
>
>
> > I live in Greenwich, CT for a short time, right near the NY state line.
>
> Yes, that is right near the NY state line! I had not realized that
> Connecticut has a rectangular "snout" poking down into New York.
>
>
> > As you get farther from NY, the Wall Street influence goes away.
>
> That's nice to know.
>
>
> > If I wanted to go to nearby Stamford I-95 was guaranteed to be backed
> > up, so it was nice living within walking of downtown Greenwich.
>
> Is I-95 backed up along its entire length, or only near New York City and
> Boston?
>
>
> > The coast along Long Island Sound is beautiful, and as you go farther
> > North it is much more rural.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

Well that explains it!  What states has Craig lived in?  For some reason I
thought he lived/had lived in MA.

I live in Greenwich, CT for a short time, right near the NY state line.
 Many people who live there are VERY wealthy and tied to Wall Street (i.e.
NY stock exchange).  Even though taxes in CT are high, they are cheeper
than NY.  It was nothing to be at a stop light and be surrounded by Rolls
Royces, Ferrari's and other cars that cost a couple of hundred thousand
dollars.  Middle class income is $400,000-$500,000/year.  As you get
farther from NY, the Wall Street influence goes away.  I lived within
walking distance to the Metro North train that would take me to Grand
Central in NYC.  Traffic was terrible.  If I wanted to go to nearby
Stamford I-95 was guaranteed to be backed up, so it was nice living within
walking of downtown Greenwich.  The coast along Long Island Sound is
beautiful, and as you go farther North it is much more rural.  Personally I
see no appeal to the state whatsoever.  Maybe because I don't make millions
of dollars each year.


On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:21 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> But Craig lives in NM.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Brian Toscano" <
> brian.tosc...@gmail.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in
> various parts of the country ...
>
>
>
>  I am interested in knowing why someone who lives in MA would ask about
>> what
>> it is like to live in adjacent states such as NH, RI, or CT.  Everywhere
>> I've lived, I know what life is like in the nearby states, say a radius of
>> a few hundred miles.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Craig  wrote:
>>
>>  Anyone one know anything about Rhode Island and Connecticut?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...

[Brian Toscano]

I am interested in knowing why someone who lives in MA would ask about what
it is like to live in adjacent states such as NH, RI, or CT.  Everywhere
I've lived, I know what life is like in the nearby states, say a radius of
a few hundred miles.


On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Craig  wrote:

> Anyone one know anything about Rhode Island and Connecticut?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Craig
>
> --
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>'94 E420Oskar  123 kmi
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Re: [MBZ] TORX Allens?

[Brian Toscano]

The cheap tools I got at O'Reilly's for this project are not even called
TORX, they are called "star shaped"



On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  > Brian Toscano wrote:
>>
>>   Thanks for the idea John.  I had seen others use the removable
>>>  bit design with vice grips and box end wrenches.  But I didn't
>>>  have a T60 and I thought an L-shaped allen with a pipe would
>>>  be faster an easier.
>>>
>>
>> I have always thought "allen" was synonymous with "hex" - but
>> you seem to be using it to mean the L-shaped rod.  So "Allen
>> Torx" had me quite confused.
>>
>> --Philip
>>
>
> Yes, Allen is a tradename for "internal hex" just as kleenex is a
> tradename, but is used as generic for snotrag.   Allen has been used as
> generic for internal hex.
>
> Phillips is a specific design of cross-slotted screwdriver, but the name
> of the design is unknown.  It is simply a phillips screw or screwdriver.
>
> Torx is also a tradename that has come to be used as a generic.
>
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Re: [MBZ] TORX Allens?

[Brian Toscano]

I think the use of the word expanded once they came out with new bolt heads
like TORX.  L-shape is probably the more accurate and generalized term.



On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the idea John.  I had seen others use the removable
> > bit design with vice grips and box end wrenches.  But I didn't
> > have a T60 and I thought an L-shaped allen with a pipe would
> > be faster an easier.
>
> I have always thought "allen" was synonymous with "hex" - but
> you seem to be using it to mean the L-shaped rod.  So "Allen
> Torx" had me quite confused.
>
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Re: [MBZ] TORX Allens?

[Brian Toscano]

(mine is the T60, not the 9/16 or the hex)


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Thanks for the idea John.  I had seen others use the removable bit design
> with vice grips and box end wrenches.  But I didn't have a T60 and I
> thought an L-shaped allen with a pipe would be faster an easier.
>
> Thankfully my valve cover has been leak free, knock on wood.
>
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:41 AM, John Reames  wrote:
>
>> Some of the craftsman sockets are a two-piece design and have the "bit"
>> held in with a small Allen screw.
>>
>> I did that job many moons ago on a '91 XJ that I used to own...
>>
>> I ended up using oil filters off of 5L fords, as they fit and had more
>> filter area... (AC 1a's maybe?)
>>
>> I think I ended up jacking the engine slightly so that I could get better
>> clearance to the "bolt"
>>
>> Also, some of them used a normal hex head bolt instead of a torx... 15mm
>> IIRC. (could be wrong, it was 13 or 14 years ago).
>>
>> Btw I have a new in open box mopar rocker cover (91+) sitting around if
>> it's needed (what's one worth?)
>>
>> I ended up using an aftermarket silicone gasket and aircraft permatex to
>> keep the oil (mostly) in.
>>
>> --
>> John W Reames
>> jream...@verizon.net
>> Home: +14106646986
>> Mobile: +14437915905
>>
>> On May 8, 2012, at 15:04, Brian Toscano  wrote:
>>
>> > I couldn't find them T60 allen in Snap On's catalog.  I passed by an
>> > O'Reilly's when I was out at lunch and on a whim I stopped in and they
>> had
>> > a 5 piece set of $10 that should work.  Thanks for the links.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Anyone know where I can get a T60 Allen?
>> >>
>> >> L-key?
>> >>
>> >> http://www.amazon.com/T60-Star-L-wrench-Long-Arm/dp/B002KAAR38
>> >>
>> >> http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-T60-120mm-Torx-L-keys/dp/B000T9W7K8
>> >>
>> >> You might check Snap-On and MAC, it's possible that you're paying tool
>> >> truck prices by the time you include shipping at the links above.
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Re: [MBZ] TORX Allens?

[Brian Toscano]

Thanks for the idea John.  I had seen others use the removable bit design
with vice grips and box end wrenches.  But I didn't have a T60 and I
thought an L-shaped allen with a pipe would be faster an easier.

Thankfully my valve cover has been leak free, knock on wood.


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:41 AM, John Reames  wrote:

> Some of the craftsman sockets are a two-piece design and have the "bit"
> held in with a small Allen screw.
>
> I did that job many moons ago on a '91 XJ that I used to own...
>
> I ended up using oil filters off of 5L fords, as they fit and had more
> filter area... (AC 1a's maybe?)
>
> I think I ended up jacking the engine slightly so that I could get better
> clearance to the "bolt"
>
> Also, some of them used a normal hex head bolt instead of a torx... 15mm
> IIRC. (could be wrong, it was 13 or 14 years ago).
>
> Btw I have a new in open box mopar rocker cover (91+) sitting around if
> it's needed (what's one worth?)
>
> I ended up using an aftermarket silicone gasket and aircraft permatex to
> keep the oil (mostly) in.
>
> --
> John W Reames
> jream...@verizon.net
> Home: +14106646986
> Mobile: +14437915905
>
> On May 8, 2012, at 15:04, Brian Toscano  wrote:
>
> > I couldn't find them T60 allen in Snap On's catalog.  I passed by an
> > O'Reilly's when I was out at lunch and on a whim I stopped in and they
> had
> > a 5 piece set of $10 that should work.  Thanks for the links.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> Anyone know where I can get a T60 Allen?
> >>
> >> L-key?
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/T60-Star-L-wrench-Long-Arm/dp/B002KAAR38
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-T60-120mm-Torx-L-keys/dp/B000T9W7K8
> >>
> >> You might check Snap-On and MAC, it's possible that you're paying tool
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Re: [MBZ] Exhaust fell off.

[Brian Toscano]

I've never heard about a complaint about Rusty's exhaust systems.


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> Yes I'm leaning toward the Rusty option. Is never seize your standard
>> silver colored anti-seize used on spork plug threads?
>>
>>
> Yes, Neverseez is a brand name.  I got mine at Berry Bearing I think, but
> flaps has similar.  Last one I bought was copper based.
>
> Grainger, McMaster, and bearing supply houses, etc should have something
> similar
>
> Great for the Spork plugs in your 240D! (if ya kin find em)
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Re: [MBZ] TORX Allens?

[Brian Toscano]

I couldn't find them T60 allen in Snap On's catalog.  I passed by an
O'Reilly's when I was out at lunch and on a whim I stopped in and they had
a 5 piece set of $10 that should work.  Thanks for the links.



On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:

>
>
> > Anyone know where I can get a T60 Allen?
>
> L-key?
>
> http://www.amazon.com/T60-Star-L-wrench-Long-Arm/dp/B002KAAR38
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-T60-120mm-Torx-L-keys/dp/B000T9W7K8
>
> You might check Snap-On and MAC, it's possible that you're paying tool
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[MBZ] TORX Allens?

[Brian Toscano]

Anyone know where I can get a T60 Allen?

Similar to:
http://www.tradesmanschoice.com/catalog/Wiha/363VB.html

On another Jeep project, I would like to change the nitrile o-rings on my
oil filter adapter.  There isn't much clearance between the adapter and the
frame rail, so I'm not sure a proper T60 1/2" socket driver plus socket
would fit.  I think the Allen and pipe over the end would do the trick.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Jeep heater hoses

[Brian Toscano]

So 15 years with Prestone Green and 45-75 years with MB coolant?



On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> With the modern coolants, a long time.  With green crap a few years.
>
> Same as a Benz.
>
>
> Peter
>
> On May 7, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>  How long do cooling system hoses last on American cars?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Russ Williams  wrote:
>>
>>  Better be they supply most of the hoses for the US manufactures.
>>> According the my guy at the Local FAPS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/7/2012 16:14, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>
>>>  Thanks for another idea.
>>>>
>>>> Is Goodyear hose any good?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Russ Williams
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Brian
>>>>
>>>>> Try Rock Auto, is this the one you need?
>>>>> http://www.rockauto.com/**catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=**1333823<http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1333823>
>>>>> <http://www.rockauto.**com/**catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1333823<http://www.rockauto.com/**catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=**1333823>
>>>>> >
>>>>> <http://www.rockauto.**com/**catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1333823<
>>>>> http://www.rockauto.**com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=**1333823<http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1333823>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Russ W.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/6/2012 21:47, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Quadratec and others only have the upper and lower radiator hoses
>>>>> (which
>>>>>
>>>>>> are also still available from the dealer).  Its the lines to/from the
>>>>>> heater core that I'm having trouble finding.  2001 Jeep Cherokee (XJ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Peter Frederick>>>>> ***
>>>>>> **
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   What model Jeep?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Try some of the aftermarket custom houses, they are more likely than
>>>>>>> McParts to have them.  Quadtrack is good, there are others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 6, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hey all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Since domestic car manufacturers don't continue to support their
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> vehicles
>>>>>>>> as well as Mercedes, it is not surprising to me the that molded
>>>>>>>> heater
>>>>>>>> hoses that go between the thermostat housing/water pump and heater
>>>>>>>> core
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> my Jeep are NLA.  It looks like the replacement is standard heater
>>>>>>>> hose
>>>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>>> to length (or just leave them because they last forever ;^))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the best source for heater hoses?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking at McParts, I see I can buy either the standard lengths of
>>>>>>>> heater
>>>>>>>> hose and cut to length, or splurge on some steel braided lines.  Is
>>>>>>>> McParts
>>>>>>>> rubber good enough or can I do better?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT - Jeep heater hoses

[Brian Toscano]

How's that genset running?  Did you move the power like you wanted?  Still
have the pictures of the derusting project?


On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I believe that all you need are 45/90/180 degree bends, straight hose, and
>> a handful of hose barb union fittings.
>>
>
> The last time I had this problem was on the genset, I used
> copper plumbing fittings for the bends and the diameter
> change.  Not as pretty, true...
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Jeep heater hoses

[Brian Toscano]

How long do cooling system hoses last on American cars?


On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Russ Williams  wrote:

> Better be they supply most of the hoses for the US manufactures.
> According the my guy at the Local FAPS.
>
>
>
> On 5/7/2012 16:14, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> Thanks for another idea.
>>
>> Is Goodyear hose any good?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Russ Williams  wrote:
>>
>>  Brian
>>> Try Rock Auto, is this the one you need?
>>> http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1333823<http://www.rockauto.com/**catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=**1333823>
>>> <http://www.rockauto.**com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=**1333823<http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1333823>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Russ W.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/6/2012 21:47, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>
>>>  Quadratec and others only have the upper and lower radiator hoses (which
>>>> are also still available from the dealer).  Its the lines to/from the
>>>> heater core that I'm having trouble finding.  2001 Jeep Cherokee (XJ).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Peter Frederick>>> **
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>  What model Jeep?
>>>>
>>>>> Try some of the aftermarket custom houses, they are more likely than
>>>>> McParts to have them.  Quadtrack is good, there are others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 6, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Since domestic car manufacturers don't continue to support their
>>>>>> vehicles
>>>>>> as well as Mercedes, it is not surprising to me the that molded heater
>>>>>> hoses that go between the thermostat housing/water pump and heater
>>>>>> core
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> my Jeep are NLA.  It looks like the replacement is standard heater
>>>>>> hose
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>> to length (or just leave them because they last forever ;^))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the best source for heater hoses?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at McParts, I see I can buy either the standard lengths of
>>>>>> heater
>>>>>> hose and cut to length, or splurge on some steel braided lines.  Is
>>>>>> McParts
>>>>>> rubber good enough or can I do better?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Jeep heater hoses

[Brian Toscano]

Thanks for another idea.

Is Goodyear hose any good?



On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Russ Williams  wrote:

> Brian
> Try Rock Auto, is this the one you need?
> http://www.rockauto.com/**catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=**1333823<http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1333823>
>
> Russ W.
>
>
> On 5/6/2012 21:47, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> Quadratec and others only have the upper and lower radiator hoses (which
>> are also still available from the dealer).  Its the lines to/from the
>> heater core that I'm having trouble finding.  2001 Jeep Cherokee (XJ).
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Peter Frederick> >wrote:
>>
>>  What model Jeep?
>>>
>>> Try some of the aftermarket custom houses, they are more likely than
>>> McParts to have them.  Quadtrack is good, there are others.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 6, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hey all,
>>>
>>>> Since domestic car manufacturers don't continue to support their
>>>> vehicles
>>>> as well as Mercedes, it is not surprising to me the that molded heater
>>>> hoses that go between the thermostat housing/water pump and heater core
>>>> of
>>>> my Jeep are NLA.  It looks like the replacement is standard heater hose
>>>> cut
>>>> to length (or just leave them because they last forever ;^))
>>>>
>>>> What is the best source for heater hoses?
>>>>
>>>> Looking at McParts, I see I can buy either the standard lengths of
>>>> heater
>>>> hose and cut to length, or splurge on some steel braided lines.  Is
>>>> McParts
>>>> rubber good enough or can I do better?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Jeep heater hoses

[Brian Toscano]

Talk about ugly!


On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
>  What's needed is generic hose premolded with a variety of bends at
>> different angles, and standardized fittings to join one piece to
>> another, kind of like exhaust or PVC pipe.
>>
>
> I believe that all you need are 45/90/180 degree bends, straight hose, and
> a handful of hose barb union fittings. FLAPS should have the bends, at
> least the 45s and 90s, if only you can get the counter monkey to move past
> entering your make and model into a computer and saying 'we don't have one
> of those'.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Jeep heater hoses

[Brian Toscano]

I will check NAPA next.  Molded hoses would look nicer and for the hose
that goes to the thermostat housing, would make the final bend to the
housing nicer.  Thanks for the suggestions.

Brian



On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I suspect they don't offer molded hoses because every FLAPS carries heater
> hose...
>
> My local FLAPS will cut to length for me, they sell heater hose by the
> inch.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 22:38:25 -0400
> From: Walt Zarnoch 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Jeep heater hoses
> Message-ID:
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>
> Mcparts is fine, i have a 8 foot length of their fuel line serving as a
> power steering return line on my other car, and the heater hose holds up to
> green death just fine.
>
> Walt
> On May 6, 2012 10:32 PM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Since domestic car manufacturers don't continue to support their vehicles
> > as well as Mercedes, it is not surprising to me the that molded heater
> > hoses that go between the thermostat housing/water pump and heater core
> of
> > my Jeep are NLA.  It looks like the replacement is standard heater hose
> cut
> > to length (or just leave them because they last forever ;^))
> >
> > What is the best source for heater hoses?
> >
> > Looking at McParts, I see I can buy either the standard lengths of heater
> > hose and cut to length, or splurge on some steel braided lines.  Is
> McParts
> > rubber good enough or can I do better?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Jeep heater hoses

[Brian Toscano]

Quadratec and others only have the upper and lower radiator hoses (which
are also still available from the dealer).  Its the lines to/from the
heater core that I'm having trouble finding.  2001 Jeep Cherokee (XJ).


On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> What model Jeep?
>
> Try some of the aftermarket custom houses, they are more likely than
> McParts to have them.  Quadtrack is good, there are others.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On May 6, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>  Hey all,
>>
>> Since domestic car manufacturers don't continue to support their vehicles
>> as well as Mercedes, it is not surprising to me the that molded heater
>> hoses that go between the thermostat housing/water pump and heater core of
>> my Jeep are NLA.  It looks like the replacement is standard heater hose
>> cut
>> to length (or just leave them because they last forever ;^))
>>
>> What is the best source for heater hoses?
>>
>> Looking at McParts, I see I can buy either the standard lengths of heater
>> hose and cut to length, or splurge on some steel braided lines.  Is
>> McParts
>> rubber good enough or can I do better?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] strange oil pool

[Brian Toscano]

Don Willis = OK Don = LT Don?


On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Being the only Don on the list can get lonely sometimes, makes me wonder
> why I bother with the OK ---
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
>
> > Yes and yes
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On May 6, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Max  wrote:
> >
> > > Kaleb IS the government here!  ;)
> > >
> > > Seriously, he's probably speaking for many of us who remember LT Don
> > from years ago.  We'd love to hear from you more often.
> > >
> > >
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> > > Charleston SC
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[MBZ] OT - Jeep heater hoses

[Brian Toscano]

Hey all,

Since domestic car manufacturers don't continue to support their vehicles
as well as Mercedes, it is not surprising to me the that molded heater
hoses that go between the thermostat housing/water pump and heater core of
my Jeep are NLA.  It looks like the replacement is standard heater hose cut
to length (or just leave them because they last forever ;^))

What is the best source for heater hoses?

Looking at McParts, I see I can buy either the standard lengths of heater
hose and cut to length, or splurge on some steel braided lines.  Is McParts
rubber good enough or can I do better?

Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DS211J Correction

[Brian Toscano]

That's good to know.  When I redid my home storage, I replaced all existing
external disk enclosures/hard drives with a Western Digital 3TB FireWire
800 drive with a 5 year warranty.  It would be nice not to have any cables
attached to my laptop, but at least with local storage, I don't have to run
a wire to my router in another room to get decent transfer speeds.



On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sun, 6 May 2012 17:01:39 -0400 "Scott and Gwen Ritchey"
>  wrote:
>
> > If I copy a big file from my C drive to the one internal drive in my
> > 211J the speed is 30-35 MB/sec and copies from the internal 211J drive
> > to my C drive run 60-80 MB/sec.  I'm running a gigabit LAN, but over
> > crappy cat5 wires.
>
> Sounds disk speed limited.
>
>
> > I'm not using RAID on the 211J so I expect RAID might cause slower
> > transfers.
>
> It depends on which category of RAID you are using. Some categories of
> RAID give a transfer speed which approaches the sum of the disk speeds
> rather than less than a single disk speed.
>
>
> > I've also seen transfers as slow as 1-2 MB/sec during multiple,
> > simultaneous transfers when the PC was also busy doing other things,
> > probably a PC resource issue.
>
> Yup.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Grease

[Brian Toscano]

You really don't need a dial indicator to set wheel bearing end play.  If
you mount the wheel/tire and rap the tire with your first as you turn and
tighten you can hear a change in the sound when the endplay is correct.  If
you put a dial indicator on it after you do it that way, you should find
end play to be spot-on.



On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> The harbor freight digi-scale is dead nuts in sync with the post office
> scale, or at least the unit I bought is.
>
> For the price, it's awesome.
>
> Walt
> On May 4, 2012 8:58 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
>
> > In 2008 I had a wheel bearing fail on my '85 190D. My Indy replaced it
> and
> > I asked him to repack the other one. He didn't "it hasn't failed" and a
> > couple months later when we were all in go-slow mode because of an ice
> > storm the other one failed.
> >
> > I was livid, here we're in this ice storm, I'm driving the 190D because
> it
> > was full of diesel fuel and I can't get gasoline for the truck and the
> > *&%$#! thing is down because he didn't repack the other bearing.
> >
> > Fortunately I could get the bearings at my local Car Quest. I veeery
> > carefully reused the existing seal and got back on the road the next day.
> > That was the one when I realized I can't do a good enough job setting
> > runout without a dial indicator, the bearing was good for about 6 months
> > before it started making unhappy noises. Now with a relatively
> inexpensive
> > dial indicator from Harbor Freight I can do them what will last as long
> as
> > the grease does.
> >
> > I really like the green MB grease in the squeeze tube but I've used the
> > pink Mobil 1 too. I don't weigh it, I pack the bearings and then stuff
> some
> > inside the hub. I've been thinking about getting a scale though, not sure
> > what to get...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 18:57:55 +
> > From: buymbpa...@gmail.com
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS OT CL idiot "I  am,liquefying my equipment"
> >NOW Grease
> > Message-ID:
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> >
>  
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> > >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> >
> >
> > But it should be done in pairs because when one first fails they both
> have
> > the same milage on them. I have never understood the one side at a time
> > theory. After 36 years of doing this I still have customers that want to
> > buy 1 brake disc, please.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Bent Valve?

[Brian Toscano]

If you wanted to know if it was injectors or not, without spending any
money, you could move the 4, 5, and 6 injectors to another cylinder and see
if the problem moves with the injectors.


On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Make sure it is timed properly - cam, pump - Cost: Your time
> Compression test to make sure all cylinders have the right pressure -
> Cost: Your time
> Have the injectors tested to make sure they are all in good working order
> - Cost: $50? at a diesel shop
>
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Rolf  wrote:
>
>> Ah yes, that depends on where it is stuck at.
>>
>> -Rolf
>>
>>
>> On 5/2/2012 10:29 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>>
>>> A stuck injector will inject very early, causing severe knock.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On May 2, 2012, at 9:21 PM, Rolf wrote:
>>>
>>>  I will be using the om606 HG lightly coated in high temp spray on
>>>> copper permatex (stolen straight from the super turbo's in the eu) for my
>>>> like new #22, there is one hole to drill out but it's MLS vs 603 which
>>>> isn't. They never ever got the HG right on the 601,2,3. The #22 I have
>>>> showed a blown hg between 4 & 5 (once you got through all of the veg oil
>>>> crap god it was AWFUL).
>>>>
>>>> I would depress the valves on #5 and see what you get out of it. To
>>>> verify TDC, push down on the valve, shouldn't move much.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure how a plugged injector would make bad noises as nothing was
>>>> exploding?
>>>>
>>>> Hope you get it sorted out. What did you use to torque? Did you reuse
>>>> the head bolts? Roll in a new chain?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Rolf
>>>>
>>>> On 4/30/2012 12:41 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So yesterday I worked on the '87 wagon head installation until I had
>>>>> it to the
>>>>> point that I could start the car (intake manifold in place but not
>>>>> tightened
>>>>> down, no charge air pipe).  It was late, I knew I couldn't get
>>>>> everything done
>>>>> before bed, but decided it would be gratifying to hear the engine run
>>>>> for a bit
>>>>> before turning it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Left all the injection lines loose, cranked until I had oil pressure.
>>>>>  Hear
>>>>> dripping sound from engine compartment, find pool of oil under new
>>>>> chain
>>>>> tensioner.  Apparently the end cap has a leak.  Remove and replace
>>>>> with old
>>>>> chain tensioner, and try again.  I notice during all this that the
>>>>> sound from
>>>>> one cylinder is different, rather a wheeze, but press on.  Maybe a
>>>>> lifter or two
>>>>> isn't doing it's job?
>>>>>
>>>>> Get fuel to more and more injectors, tighten them up as they get wet,
>>>>> start to
>>>>> get some firing, and finally she lights off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds terrible, hard high knock coming from #5 or #6, like a sticking
>>>>> valve
>>>>> hitting the piston.  RATS!!!  Engine is not running on all cylinders,
>>>>> idles by
>>>>> itself.  I did not increase the RPM at all, just started it and got it
>>>>> to an
>>>>> idle.  Listened for a bit, so it ran for maybe 30 seconds or so.  Shut
>>>>> it off,
>>>>> took shower, went to bed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that an intake valve is sticking.  Question is can I fix
>>>>> this without
>>>>> removing the head, or did I probably already bend a valve or do other
>>>>> damage?
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is just a stuck intake valve, perhaps I can spray a suitable
>>>>> lubricant (PB
>>>>> Blaster?  ATF?) down onto the lower stem via the intake port and free
>>>>> her up.
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> More bad news:  After I replaced the tensioner, I found that the upper
>>>>> radiator
>>>>> hose was already hard with pressure.  All that had happened at that
>>>>> point was
>>>>> lots of cranking and a little bit of firing from a cylinder or two.  I
>>>>> loosened
>>>>> the expansion tank cap to rel

Re: [MBZ] OM603 Bent Valve?

[Brian Toscano]

Make sure it is timed properly - cam, pump - Cost: Your time
Compression test to make sure all cylinders have the right pressure - Cost:
Your time
Have the injectors tested to make sure they are all in good working order -
Cost: $50? at a diesel shop


On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Rolf  wrote:

> Ah yes, that depends on where it is stuck at.
>
> -Rolf
>
>
> On 5/2/2012 10:29 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>
>> A stuck injector will inject very early, causing severe knock.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On May 2, 2012, at 9:21 PM, Rolf wrote:
>>
>>  I will be using the om606 HG lightly coated in high temp spray on copper
>>> permatex (stolen straight from the super turbo's in the eu) for my like new
>>> #22, there is one hole to drill out but it's MLS vs 603 which isn't. They
>>> never ever got the HG right on the 601,2,3. The #22 I have showed a blown
>>> hg between 4 & 5 (once you got through all of the veg oil crap god it was
>>> AWFUL).
>>>
>>> I would depress the valves on #5 and see what you get out of it. To
>>> verify TDC, push down on the valve, shouldn't move much.
>>>
>>> Not sure how a plugged injector would make bad noises as nothing was
>>> exploding?
>>>
>>> Hope you get it sorted out. What did you use to torque? Did you reuse
>>> the head bolts? Roll in a new chain?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rolf
>>>
>>> On 4/30/2012 12:41 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>>>
 So yesterday I worked on the '87 wagon head installation until I had it
 to the
 point that I could start the car (intake manifold in place but not
 tightened
 down, no charge air pipe).  It was late, I knew I couldn't get
 everything done
 before bed, but decided it would be gratifying to hear the engine run
 for a bit
 before turning it.

 Left all the injection lines loose, cranked until I had oil pressure.
  Hear
 dripping sound from engine compartment, find pool of oil under new chain
 tensioner.  Apparently the end cap has a leak.  Remove and replace with
 old
 chain tensioner, and try again.  I notice during all this that the
 sound from
 one cylinder is different, rather a wheeze, but press on.  Maybe a
 lifter or two
 isn't doing it's job?

 Get fuel to more and more injectors, tighten them up as they get wet,
 start to
 get some firing, and finally she lights off.

 Sounds terrible, hard high knock coming from #5 or #6, like a sticking
 valve
 hitting the piston.  RATS!!!  Engine is not running on all cylinders,
 idles by
 itself.  I did not increase the RPM at all, just started it and got it
 to an
 idle.  Listened for a bit, so it ran for maybe 30 seconds or so.  Shut
 it off,
 took shower, went to bed.

 I suspect that an intake valve is sticking.  Question is can I fix this
 without
 removing the head, or did I probably already bend a valve or do other
 damage?

 If it is just a stuck intake valve, perhaps I can spray a suitable
 lubricant (PB
 Blaster?  ATF?) down onto the lower stem via the intake port and free
 her up.
 Thoughts?

 More bad news:  After I replaced the tensioner, I found that the upper
 radiator
 hose was already hard with pressure.  All that had happened at that
 point was
 lots of cranking and a little bit of firing from a cylinder or two.  I
 loosened
 the expansion tank cap to relieve the pressure, turned the engine by
 had several
 revolutions to ensure it wasn't hydro-locked, then put the cap back on.
  After I
 shut down the engine following the awful tapping/knocking noise, the
 upper hose
 was not pressurized.  Is the head/gasket leaking?  Can that fix itself?
  Maybe
 the head gasket wasn't sealing until it had been heated up a little by
 starting
 the engine?

 Last bad news:  IP O-ring is now leaking oil, so I've got to pull the
 injection
 pump and replace that, which means intake manifold off, pull the vacuum
 pump and
 I think the cruise control actuator also needs to come out.

 Anyone have a good OM603 laying around?  I'm about ready to put mine
 out by the
 curb.

 Very respectfully,
 /s/
 Max Dillon
 Wondering if he should start looking for a good used OM603 or OM606
 '87 300TD 334k miles (The #$!! Head)
 '95 E300 308k miles (daily driving duties)
 '73 Balboa 20 (High&  dry until the head is back on)
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Re: [MBZ] Funny shipping

[Brian Toscano]

No pictures?

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On May 3, 2012 9:24 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
> >
> > Nobody's had a funny Rusty
> >shipping story lately so I've got one.
> >
> > My trim strips for the top of the
> >rain gutters on my 240D arrived
> > today. The box is, no joke,
> >4.5 x 5 x .5 FEET.
>
> Did it come UPS or FedEx?  I ordered some acrylic rods from a plastics
> supplier a few months back that came in a box about the same size, maybe a
> little longer and narrower.  I think it started out pretty stiff and
> well-padded, but UPS managed to fold it in a zig-zag, breaking each rod in
> three or four places.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Focus wiring sheds insulation

[Brian Toscano]

How hard is to pull the evaporator?

My second-hand Subaru had numerous A/C problems and I think the previous
owner let it run low (means low oil charge as well) enough that it caused a
noisy compressor.

I had the high pressure hose off the A/C leak through the membrane (common
problem) and the expansion valve fail (wouldn't open/close).  Once I got
those taken care of, I had a problem with the lines freezing up.  Turns out
Subaru had a TSB that relocated an evaporator temperature sensor a few
inches.  I had to pull the evap to fix it, but it wasn't too hard.  I had
to remove the glove box, blower, and a couple of other things, but then the
evap could be pulled out from the side.

They charged the previous owner an arm and a leg to replace the evaporator
(leaking) but never relocated the temperature sensor per the TSB



On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:15:30 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
> > What's a "riffle"?
>
> Rifle, a long gun with a single barrel. Just like trifle is a long gun
> with three barrels. :-)
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Focus wiring sheds insulation

[Brian Toscano]

Heat shrink or electrical tape sounds like a good fix.

I know insulation/electrical problems exist on other makes, but one would
think Ford would learn how to make an automobile without such problems.
 Ford vehicles have been catching fire decades and even burning people's
houses down.





On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
>
>> Hmm.  Don't recall seeing that one.
>>
>> I noticed that some of the respondents mention that it's not commonly
>> seen after 2003/4, which may be why I haven't experienced it.
>>
>> I'm going to check mine out next weekend just to see.  Can't hurt to be
>> preemptive.
>>
>
> I'd put some silicone insulated, ultraflexible wires with a bazillion
> strands in there if I had to fix something like that.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 'Nother oil thread

[Brian Toscano]

Mobil 1 5w-40 is perfectly acceptable for your Mercedes.  Surprised that
Sam's had any in stock.

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 2:25 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Me, either; just for M1.
> Well, I'll hafta confess; I did get a coupla pairs of Dickies khaki pants
> at Wallie's several months ago.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" 
>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:59 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 'Nother oil thread
>
>
>  I have to admit I don't shop at either one very often.
>>
>> Tim C  writes:
>>
>>  2 of my 3 local Walmarts had dropped 15w50, but I noticed they both had
>>> it
>>> in stock last week.  I also saw one gallon of TDT on a display, though by
>>> that time I'd already bought what I needed.  Here it is 26.50 a jug.
>>>
>>> I've not seen gallons of m1 at either Sam's, I'll have to keep an eye
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -Tim
>>> Person of Walmart
>>> On Apr 28, 2012 1:45 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
>>>
>>>  "WILTON"  writes:

 > 'Purchased 2 gallon jugs of M1 5W40 syn oil at Sam's yesterday.  Jug
 > says it's for "heavy duty Diesel trucks."  Now, let's hear why I
 > shouldn't use it in my '87 300D (126 kmi) and '91 350SDL (206 kmi).
 > ;<)

 Sounds like just what you want.  Haven't seen it at my local WalMart or
 Sams in years.  What were they charging??

 Allan

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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[Brian Toscano]

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/u-p-s-finds-a-substitute-for-diesel-natural-gas-at-260-degrees-below-zero/

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM, TE  wrote:

> UPS has always had both gas and diesel trucks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of WILTON
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:39 AM
> To: mercedes list
> Subject: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
>
> #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck
> sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the
> usual
> Diesel.  UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks."
>
> BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now.
>
> Wilton
> '87 300D (126 kmi)
> '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] Light reading

[Brian Toscano]

I would lean toward the threat of fire or explosions from gasoline engines.
 In the early 1970's there wasn't too much concern about emissions.


On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:51:49 -0700 "Jerry Herrman" 
> wrote:
>
> > Does diesel exhaust produce carbon monoxide? Seems like it would, but
> > something I learned a few years back (now forgotten) made me wonder.
>
> As Alan said, a diesel runs with a surplus of oxygen, so, no, it does not
> produce carbon monoxide.
>
> When I was in the USAF in 1972 and stationed at Peterson Field in
> Colorado Springs, I made a trip to the NORAD Cheyenne Mountain Center to
> pick up some material. No gasoline vehicles were allowed in the tunnels.
> The buses that ran in the tunnels, taking passengers from the outside
> portals to the command center deep inside the mountain, were diesel
> powered. The however-many-starred-general who was Commander of NCMC at
> the time had a Mercedes diesel he was allowed to drive into the tunnel.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

[Brian Toscano]

Thanks Curt, I am still collecting data. That's why I suggested using
caution for extended drains rather than flat out saying "don't do it" which
is what you seem to conclude from my statements.  TBN is an important test
to tell you have much life you have in the oil.  Similarly, I don't find
the viscosity test to be completely adequate.  It doesn't tell you the
actual viscosity, just the range it falls into, so you have no real way of
knowing if the oil is thinning or thickening unless it does it enough to
jump a viscosity grade.  Recall that 5w-40 can actually be formulated
thicker than 15w-40 because the grades overlap.


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> So show your data!
>
> No data means you got nuthin, you're just following that somebody else
> said that Mobil 1 has "changed" and "isn't any good anymore".
>
> Why does my not having tested TBN make any difference?
>
> Besides with ultra low sulfur diesel TBN is less important than it used to
> be. Actually I was under the impression TBN was less important on diesels
> anyway.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:29:13 -0600
> From: Brian Toscano 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Thanks Curt, I don't see any point in furthering the discussion since you
> do not test for TBN.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the offer Larry, I have a couple kits left, I'd like the long
> > form next time if possible. How would I remind you of that?
> >
> > I'm still waiting for Brian to put up some data. He says Mobil 1 has
> > changed and isn't as good. I provide data points spanning 6 years that
> says
> > he's wrong, he just questions my data...
> >
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

[Brian Toscano]

Thanks Curt, I don't see any point in furthering the discussion since you
do not test for TBN.

Thanks,
Brian


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Thanks for the offer Larry, I have a couple kits left, I'd like the long
> form next time if possible. How would I remind you of that?
>
> I'm still waiting for Brian to put up some data. He says Mobil 1 has
> changed and isn't as good. I provide data points spanning 6 years that says
> he's wrong, he just questions my data...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:05:38 -0400
> From: Larry T 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
> Message-ID: <4f934b52.1090...@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> During the Oil Analysis test, the viscosity it tested at 100C.  a 15W40
> should test at 40W  (not below, not above) at 100C after 4000-500 miles,
> perhaps more...
>
> The oil analysis report is broken into 3 basic parts - metal
> contamination - looking for excess copper, lead, iron, alum, etc, then
> there's the Additives section where the normal additives are shown with
> their levels.  Finally theres the physical part where viscosity, grade,
> water presence, glycol presence, etc is shown.
>
> I can send more info if you;re interested in buying some kits?  I can
> provide this info to anyone of course - which includes a sample Analysis
> report.  The sample I use is a sanitized version of a real test - a long
> distance trucker gets his oil tested with me and I have a sample page
> with 5 or 6 tests on it.
>
> Sorry I'm getting to this late -
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
>
> On 4/13/2012 11:55 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> > What kind of viscosity is 40?  Did they test it cold?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Curt Raymond
>  wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't do TBN, viscosity was 40 on both, M1 5w40 was the oil.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:27:43 -0600
> >> From: Brian Toscano
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
> >> Message-ID:
> >>  <
> cacncphnznkvk28vp2fs4kf8p69guxoe+l5evy+6xxn4cmt7...@mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> Viscosity and TBN?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Curt Raymond
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> And where are your results pray tell?
> >>>
> >>> Upfront I'll admit I haven't done TBN tests.
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

I have never heard of a turbo-supercharger except here.

Superchargers are driven by the flywheel.

Turbos are driven by the exhaust.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > > > Brian Toscano wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Diesels are best
>
> > > Philip wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd say you can put a period right there. *smiles*
>
> > > > for heavy towing and towing at high altitudes
> > > > and over mountains.
> > >
> > > Huh?  A supercharger is what deals with altitude.  That can
> > > be fitted to almost any internal combustion engine.
>
> > Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > How many supercharged trucks do you see going over the
> > mountains towing heavy trailers?
>
> I don't remember the last time I saw a big truck hauling a load
> that did NOT have a supercharger.  Remember the real name for a
> turbo is "turbo-supercharger".  The altitude compensation is a
> result of the forced induction provided by a supercharger.
>
> --  Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

I'd rather have a mileage reading.  I think people who want to avoid
government tracking their vehicle movements should have the option.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Yes you do --- I might even have a car or two to sell to you --
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
>
> > I need to come out and see your new place sometime.
> >
> >
> > On 4/18/2012 7:41 AM, OK Don wrote:
> >
> >> I agree that if you have the time to, and interest in maintaining an
> older
> >> car like the 123s and 124s, etc., that's the most economical route.
> >> However, my interests are changing from cars to aircraft, and I don't
> want
> >> to be spending time working on a car that I can be spending on the
> >> airplane(s?). Looking back, I've spent the least, both dollars and time,
> >> maintaining the two cars we bought new - a 1974 Opel Manta, and the 1997
> >> Plymouth van. Hence, my interest in blowing a large sum of money on a
> new
> >> car. I just want it to be the last one :-)  In 20 years I'll be in my
> >> 80's,
> >> so it will be getting time to let others drive me around :-)
> >>
> >> The cheap basturd in me makes it real hard to pay doulbe the price for a
> >> new MB vs a VW, and why is an E class that much better than a C class? I
> >> see the gas engines lasting just as long as the Diesels now, and the
> fuel
> >> economy is nearly the same for both with the current direct injection ga
> >> engines.
> >>
> >> I hate that you can't buy a Diesel 4-matic C class here!
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Brian Toscano **com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >>  Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the
> fuel
> >>> it
> >>> uses.  If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would
> not
> >>> be a major concern.  Both will be available.  The world will not "run
> >>> out"
> >>> of oil at some moment in time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Mann  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now.
> >>>>
> >>>  In
> >>>
> >>>> 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second
> car
> >>>>
> >>> up
> >>>
> >>>> on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail
> to
> >>>>
> >>> fix
> >>>
> >>>> it but can still drive, I'll take the "spare " out and drive that
> one...
> >>>> why not?
> >>>>
> >>>> Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to
> >>>>
> >>> come
> >>>
> >>>> from the "system", so it's my choice. That might not work for you...
> or
> >>>>
> >>> it
> >>>
> >>>> might.  The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I
> >>>>
> >>> believe,
> >>>
> >>>> it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles...
> >>>>
> >>>> For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in
> >>>> business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for
> >>>> next
> >>>> 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at
> >>>> 30
> >>>> mpg and the older car
> >>>>
> >>>> Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your mileage may vary...
> >>>>
> >>>> Grant... AZ
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoble >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> for
> >>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> available
> >>>>
> >>>>

Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

Certain parts of the country use gas fired plants for various reasons -
sometimes purely for emissions, other times for periods of high demand.

However, with today's current low and abundant natural gas, some power
generators are replacing aging coal stations with natural gas.

I don't think that trend is going to stop as long as natural gas is
inexpensive and plentiful and doesn't require billions in emissions like
coal plants do.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > For the longest time coal was
> > one of the cheapest ways to make power, but with emissions
> > controls costing billions, and cheap natural gas - it can be
> > economical for new plants to use natural gas.
>
> Electric generation from natural gas generally serves a
> different purpose than coal.  The coal is used for baseline
> which can take a week to startup.  The natural gas is used for
> on-demand.  Startup is less than an hour, as I recall.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

The people who make their own biodiesel would be better off if they didn't
advertise it is a way to avoid fuel taxes  It may not be their primary
reason, but it sets a bad precedent.  I didn't buy fuel efficient vehicles
to avoid fuel taxes, I did it to save money on fuel.


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> Yikees.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
>
> On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:34 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
>
> you will have to pay based on miles driven.
>
>
> They already floated a trial ballon, saying we will each have a GPS device
> in our cars to track miles driven.
>
>
> http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/05/obama-administration-floats-pl.html
>
>
> http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile
>
> And you thought "Big Brother" was already watching... Just wait. It gets
> worse.
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

It is true that supercharged or turbocharged vehicles have more power at
high altitude than naturally aspirated vehicles.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> How many supercharged trucks do you see going over the mountains towing
> heavy trailers?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Fmiser  wrote:
>
>> > Brian Toscano wrote:
>>
>> > Diesels are best
>>
>> I'd say you can put a period right there. *smiles*
>>
>> > for heavy towing and towing at high altitudes
>> > and over mountains.
>>
>> Huh?  A supercharger is what deals with altitude.  That can be
>> fitted to almost any internal combustion engine.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

How many supercharged trucks do you see going over the mountains towing
heavy trailers?


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > Diesels are best
>
> I'd say you can put a period right there. *smiles*
>
> > for heavy towing and towing at high altitudes
> > and over mountains.
>
> Huh?  A supercharger is what deals with altitude.  That can be
> fitted to almost any internal combustion engine.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

Diesels are best for heavy towing and towing at high altitudes and over
mountains.  Isn't Manitoba mostly flat prairie?  How big of a boat will you
be taking to the lake? :-)


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Randy Bennell  writes:
>
> > I think I want the Dodge with the Cummins. I know I don't want the
> > Ford. I am not sure about a GM product.
>
> GM is an Isuzu.  Ford is their own, I think.  Cummins is... well, Cummins.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

The registration money may be funneled to the DOT.  It really all depends
on how the state funds its roads, bridges, and overall transportation
system.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> True but they don't pay a road tax.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Brian Toscano 
> wrote:
>
> In some places bicycles need to be registered.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  >wrote:
>
> And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected
> to a road tax?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton  wrote:
>
> Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too.
>
> In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair
> share of road tax.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano 
> wrote:
>
> Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton 
> wrote:
>
> If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel -
> don't.
>
> You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels
> unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable
> the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do
> just that are available for the V-10 Touareg.
>
> As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the
> exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for
> any make and models - please let me know.
>
> Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip
> into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid.
>
> I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an
> alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle.
>
> Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you
> can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle
> after the warranty expires.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
> the
> next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available
> in the last five years of ownership, and why?
>
> Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
> current C class?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

In some places bicycles need to be registered.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> And those who ride bicycles and use the road? Shouldn't they be subjected
> to a road tax?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Dave Walton  wrote:
>
> Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system too.
>
> In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair
> share of road tax.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano 
> wrote:
>
> Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton 
> wrote:
>
> If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel -
> don't.
>
> You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels
> unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable
> the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do
> just that are available for the V-10 Touareg.
>
> As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the
> exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for
> any make and models - please let me know.
>
> Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip
> into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid.
>
> I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an
> alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle.
>
> Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you
> can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle
> after the warranty expires.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
> the
> next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available
> in the last five years of ownership, and why?
>
> Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
> current C class?
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

They should make all electric vehicles pay their fuel tax based on the
mileage driven.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> We should all buy a big suv
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Dave Walton  wrote:
>
> > Then don't buy an electric or a hybrid. Those are cheating the system
> too.
> >
> > In fact, buying any high MPG vehicle means you are not paying your fair
> share of road tax.
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> >
> > On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Brian Toscano 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel -
> >>> don't.
> >>>
> >>> You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels
> >>> unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to
> disable
> >>> the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits
> to do
> >>> just that are available for the V-10 Touareg.
> >>>
> >>> As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during
> the
> >>> exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case
> - for
> >>> any make and models - please let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings,
> drip
> >>> into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a
> solid.
> >>>
> >>> I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an
> >>> alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle.
> >>>
> >>> Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you
> >>> can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the
> vehicle
> >>> after the warranty expires.
> >>>
> >>> -Dave Walton
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
> >>> the
> >>>> next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
> available
> >>>> in the last five years of ownership, and why?
> >>>>
> >>>> Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
> >>>> current C class?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> OK Don
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> >>>> 1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel from Nat Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

I suspect that natural gas prices will rise in the future.  They won't stay
low forever.  For the longest time coal was one of the cheapest ways to
make power, but with emissions controls costing billions, and cheap natural
gas - it can be economical for new plants to use natural gas.  And that's
just one industry that can adjust to use it and eventually drive the prices
up.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Max  wrote:

> OK Don  wrote:
>
> >Yes, we should be doing this - a surplus of one resource, and a need
> >for
> >another - convert the gas to Diesel.
> >However, the companies that will be doing this (unless the government
> >nationalizes it) will be selling to the highest bidder - likely China,
> >India, Brazel, etc. THERE IS NO US OIL - get over it. It's owned,
> >produced,
> >distributed, and sold by International corporations who have NO
> >national
> >interest.
> >
> >
> Yep.  International market sets the price.  Used as CNG we can avoid that,
> we just need the infrastructure and the cars.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

I was referring to the people who make their own.

In some states the fuel tax goes directly to the highway fund and that is
the only source of the state highway fund.  If you have a problem paying
fuel taxes, don't drive.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Max  wrote:

> OK Don  wrote:
>
> >If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
> >the
> >next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
> >available
> >in the last five years of ownership, and why?
> >
>
> Gas.  Both will be sold, probably add natural gas to that list.  I think
> gasoline's dominance won't change, but diesel will gain some.
>
> >Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
> >current C class?
> >
> >
> Any new car is capable of that.  Real question is which one would you
> prefer to drive for twenty years.  I'd take the Benz.
>
> -Max
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

Not to mention using untaxed fuel is cheating your fellow Americans.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Dave Walton  wrote:

> If you were thinking about running alternate fuels in your new diesel -
> don't.
>
> You cannot use any concentration of biodiesel in 2007 and later diesels
> unless you hollow out the particulate filter and modify the ECU to disable
> the purge cycle. I'm thinking that's probably a felony, although kits to do
> just that are available for the V-10 Touareg.
>
> As far as I know, all current models are still injecting fuel during the
> exhaust stroke to burn off crud in the filter. If that's not the case - for
> any make and models - please let me know.
>
> Biodiesel tends not to vaporize completely, migrate around the rings, drip
> into the oil pan, and polymerize the engine oil turning it into a solid.
>
> I've been running WVO and biodiesel for over a decade and I am an
> alternate fuel advocate. But you need to use the appropriate vehicle.
>
> Even if the manufacturer of an exhaust stroke injection system says you
> can run 5-10% biofuel, I would not - assuming you want to keep the vehicle
> after the warranty expires.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:42 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
> the
> > next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available
> > in the last five years of ownership, and why?
> >
> > Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
> > current C class?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it
uses.  If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not
be a major concern.  Both will be available.  The world will not "run out"
of oil at some moment in time.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now.  In
> 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up
> on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix
> it but can still drive, I'll take the "spare " out and drive that one...
> why not?
>
> Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come
> from the "system", so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it
> might.  The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe,
> it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles...
>
> For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in
> business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next
> 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30
> mpg and the older car
>
> Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west.
>
> Your mileage may vary...
>
> Grant... AZ
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoble  >wrote:
>
> > On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
> > > If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
> > the
> > > next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
> available
> > > in the last five years of ownership, and why?
> >
> >
> > Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The
> > air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is
> > similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50
> > mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits
> > over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced
> by
> > public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already
> exist
> > in Europe, they will be diesels.
> >
> > > Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year?
> >
> > Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on
> > it and it is pretty much used up.
> >
> > > A
> > > current C class?
> >
> > Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit
> > the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 15" PB

[Brian Toscano]

What is the narcolepsy issue?  One of my Mac Book falls asleep when
occasionally, but that usually takes an active phone call with my cell
phone on the laptop.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> That one is gone, but this just came up this morning:
>
> I have an overall good - great condition 15" PowerBook G4 that has the
> 1.67Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM - has a 300GB HDD, AirPort, BlueTooth, and
> a SuperDrive. Runs GREAT except for when it randomly falls asleep (the
> narcolepsy issue, rarely happens overall tho)
>
> Asking $200 shipped for it, open to offers and trades (Apple mice and
> keyboards, etc.)
>
>
> This is actually a better machine - it's the last production model and has
> the faster processor.  I would not fret about the "narcolepsy" issue, as
> it's more of a nuisance when/if it occurs.
>
> Let me know if you're interested and I'll put you in touch with the
> seller. Here are some pictures:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/6414245...7629831003771/
>
> The same seller also has this:
>
> For sale is an excellent condition PowerMac G5 - it has dual 2.0
> processors and is the earlier, non-problematic model that doesn't just die
> randomly. It can take up to 8GB of RAM and has a 150GB HDD.
>
> It has AirPort Extreme installed - the legitimate Apple card, no antenna,
> but I get nearly FULL signal strength without the antenna with my wireless
> router being like 6-8 feet away, so I mean if you have a set that it would
> work like that, you shouldn't even need to purchase one anyways.
>
> Video card is 9600 Pro 64MB - has combo drive - NOT super drive as far as
> I can tell. I'm asking $200 shipped
>
> I was seriously considering it, but the disposable income fund is a little
> low this month.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
> > Dan,
> >  Do you know if this is still available?
> >
> > Thanks, Mike
> > On Mar 20, 2012 9:19 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> >
> >> From one of my Mac lists:
> >>
> >>
> >> PowerBook G4 15" Aluminum.
> >>
> >> Specifications:
> >> PPC G4 1.5 GHZ
> >> 80GB Hard Drive
> >> 512 MB RAM
> >> Combo Drive (CD-RW + DVD)
> >> Wireless Apple Airport Extreme WiFi Card Installed
> >> Bluetooth EDR+2.0 installed
> >> Operating System Mac OS X Tiger 10.4 (supports up to Leopard (10.5)
> >> 65 W Power Adapter
> >>
> >>
> >> $150 shipped.  What a deal for someone who is into PPC Macs.
> >>
> >> Let me know if you're interested and I'll get you in touch with the
> owner.
> >> I might add that it ships in the original box and packing materials,
> too.
> >> That's the mark of a serious fanbois.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

The problem with these portable solutions is that Curt was also looking for
something he could turn on for entertainment in the back yard.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> Funny the guy doing the video is named Curt.
>
> So you're into lanterns. Does that mean you're into beer 'n campfires as
> well? Cuz I am!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 16, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> BTW get Peerless mantles from Oldcolemanparts.com, you'll want 2C-HG for
> your 220.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPRditi7AQk
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:14:23 -0400
> From: John Reames 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary
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> I've an old 220h Coleman 2 mantle that now has a kerosene fuel tube and
> generator. You probably don't need to replace the fuel tube and you can
> make the gen by putting the jet and cleaning needle from a 242 gen into a
> 220 gen body.
>
> Add a cup for alcohol and you are good to go.
> (kero doesn't go bad in storage and everything that I have is either
> diesel or premix).
>
> Now to figure out who makes thoriated mantles; the new manufacture Coleman
> ones (that are no longer thoriated) put out at most 2/3 of the light (and
> more likely 1/2...)
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Re: [MBZ] OT - annoying drivers

[Brian Toscano]

Rolling roadblock, aggressive driving.


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 6:10 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> 'Reminded today of an annoying type driver:  'Came up behind two lanes (2
> packs) of backed up traffic on US 70W headed toward Raleigh and east of
> I-40; divided four lanes (2 each way); speed limit 55 MPH; each pack
> driving about 53 MPH.  The annoying driver and the one causing the backed
> up traffic in BOTH lanes was the one in front of the inside lane pack
> driving along BESIDE and at same speed as the lead driver in the right
> lane.  This annoyance lasted for nearly 10 miles.  'Saw lotsa frustration
> in front of me, too; one lane and then the other would tend to creep ahead
> of the other for a  bit, and some drivers took this as an indication they
> they may be able to get past and be on their way only to be disappointed
> and begin to fall back with the new pack after they had switched lanes;
> switch lanes again - same deal there.  Packs finally cleared up after
> leader of left lane pack turned left and finally got the Hell outta the
> way.  'Saw lotsa useless brake and brake light wear in front of me.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

When are they going to invite wireless light and non-robot vacuum cleaners?
:-)


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> You can throw a helluva lot of light with LEDs or CFs for relatively
> little power. Even with incandescent, say 4 60w bulbs we're only talking
> 20a. A 110ah marine battery (anything smaller is wasting time) will run
> that for 3 hours at 50% charge. Harbor Freight has their 45w kit for only
> $189, get a coupon and its even cheaper. A guy I work with has one and says
> its great. They use it to light the outhouse at his camp.
> Dan's already said this is occasional lighting so it doesn't matter if it
> takes a couple days to power back up, or worst case he could run out an
> extension cord occasionally.
>
> My grandfather would call this whole "problem" a case of "people who don't
> know how to go inside when its dark out". Grandpop didn't do a lot of
> "entertaining".
>
> -Curt
>
>
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:41:10 -0700
> From: clay monroe 
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary
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> That may work, but be aware that you should swap out battery once a year.
>  They tend to die after a year of charge/discharge.  An other thing to
> consider is that the tiny solar panel gets weathered in two years and no
> longer converts photons to electrons very well.  You will need at least six
> hours of direct sun contact to keep the thing charged enough.  Look for six
> volt lights, since that provides enough electrons to power the thing for
> more than four hours
>
> clay
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>
> > I have a backyard that borders a very deep wooded area, and at night it
> is darker than, well, dark.
> >
> > I would like to have some sort of lighting out there that would light at
> least a portion of the area at night for convenience.  I don't need it for
> anything specific, nor would I need it on for any length of time.
> >
> > Here's the rub:  I have no electrical sources available anywhere near my
> back wall.  The roof is pitched very little here, and the ceilings go
> directly up to the roof joists, so there is no attic access where I might
> have been able to run some wiring.
> >
> > My AC condenser is out there, but I'm not keen about tapping in to its
> power source.
> >
> > I looked around at Harbor Freight for something, but the best they have
> is some lame solar/incandescent floodlight that has horrible reviews.
> >
> > I'm wondering if there might be some sort of solar/LED light(s) out
> there that would do the trick?
> >
> > Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

In older wiring, particularly where BX cable was used, 220V 3-wire was
common.  Today 220V 4-wire is code.  Both ground and neutral are eventually
tied to the same place in the panel - ground.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> Mind, on the old house there is just an outlet off the 220 wire to the
>> pump.
>>
>
> You could use a transformer to supply 110V to the outlet.
> Just sayin'.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

I missed the part about the separate fused circuit.  It may be within code,
I'm not sure, but it still seems hokey.  Among other things, every time the
A/C compressor kick in, the lights will dim.



On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:03:59 -0600 Brian Toscano
>  wrote:
>
> > Its definitely something you can wire, but looks hokey and probably a
> > violation of the NEC.
>
> A separately fused branch circuit for an additional 150 W of lighting a
> violation of the NEC? I don't think so. And why should it look hokey?
> There are a wide variety of wiring accesories available, including NEMA
> rated boxes for outdoor applications.
>
> You will probably want to tap off ahead of the maintenance cutout so you
> can have light there when you work on the A/C at night.
>
> What is the A/C's branch circuit fused (breakered) at?
> What is the starting load of the AC?
> What is the running load of the A/C?
> What is the locked rotor load rating?
> Is the maintenance cutout fused?
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:49:58 -0400 Dan Penoff 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > That is pretty much what I am seeing as I look at various product
> > > > offerings.  They mostly appear to be Chinese junk that have a very
> > > > limited working life.
> > > >
> > > > It would be fairly easy to tap into the AC circuit ahead of the
> > > > maintenance cutout.  I'm just not terribly keen about doing that,
> > > > as it would be a clear violation of code and pretty obvious as well.
> > >
> > > How much wattage do you need?
> > >
> > > Why not tap off and run the wires to a small box with its own
> > > breaker/fuse and cutoff switch? That should be legit. You'll want to
> > > be observant of 120/240 V issues, too.
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

If you went the low voltage route, use some conduit on the outside of the
house, bust out part of sidewalk to put the conduit below ground level and
then run the LV wire under the sidewalk, and then patch the concrete...


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Or just use fish tape to push inside (from the outside)
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> Why not drill up from the eaves?  They make 24" nail eaters that will
>> drill through just about anything, 8 foot drill bits for about $50 at home
>> depot so maybe you can get the end of the bit to somewhere you can reach?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>
>>> Now THAT is living dangerously.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 4:28 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>>
>>> > "Tapping into dedicated circuit" reminds me:  'Saw power to an elec.
>>> water heater several years tapped directly into the SERVICE DROP just
>>> upstream of the service weather head - that's not only no metering, it's no
>>> fusing, as well, 'cept whatever may be provided at the transmission
>>> transformer!
>>> >
>>> > Wilton
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

Or just use fish tape to push inside (from the outside)


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Why not drill up from the eaves?  They make 24" nail eaters that will
> drill through just about anything, 8 foot drill bits for about $50 at home
> depot so maybe you can get the end of the bit to somewhere you can reach?
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
>> Now THAT is living dangerously.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 4:28 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>
>> > "Tapping into dedicated circuit" reminds me:  'Saw power to an elec.
>> water heater several years tapped directly into the SERVICE DROP just
>> upstream of the service weather head - that's not only no metering, it's no
>> fusing, as well, 'cept whatever may be provided at the transmission
>> transformer!
>> >
>> > Wilton
>> >
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

Why not drill up from the eaves?  They make 24" nail eaters that will drill
through just about anything, 8 foot drill bits for about $50 at home depot
so maybe you can get the end of the bit to somewhere you can reach?


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Now THAT is living dangerously.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 4:28 PM, WILTON wrote:
>
> > "Tapping into dedicated circuit" reminds me:  'Saw power to an elec.
> water heater several years tapped directly into the SERVICE DROP just
> upstream of the service weather head - that's not only no metering, it's no
> fusing, as well, 'cept whatever may be provided at the transmission
> transformer!
> >
> > Wilton
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

Dan,

I can't believe there absolutely no access to your attic?  Might be time to
call an electrician who can run wire.  My parents house built in the 1940's
doesn't have much attic access - mostly just a small hole in one of the
closet ceilings, but its enough to get up there to insulate or run wires.

Brian


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> I agree 100%.  Even though it works just imagine what happens when you try
> to sell your house and in the inspection see that.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
>> I may be a little out of date, but I know my NEC and NFPA.  I can assure
>> you that tapping into a dedicated branch circuit like that would be a no-no.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>
>> > Its definitely something you can wire, but looks hokey and probably a
>> > violation of the NEC.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:49:58 -0400 Dan Penoff 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> That is pretty much what I am seeing as I look at various product
>> >>> offerings.  They mostly appear to be Chinese junk that have a very
>> >>> limited working life.
>> >>>
>> >>> It would be fairly easy to tap into the AC circuit ahead of the
>> >>> maintenance cutout.  I'm just not terribly keen about doing that, as
>> it
>> >>> would be a clear violation of code and pretty obvious as well.
>> >>
>> >> How much wattage do you need?
>> >>
>> >> Why not tap off and run the wires to a small box with its own
>> >> breaker/fuse and cutoff switch? That should be legit. You'll want to be
>> >> observant of 120/240 V issues, too.
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

I agree 100%.  Even though it works just imagine what happens when you try
to sell your house and in the inspection see that.


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> I may be a little out of date, but I know my NEC and NFPA.  I can assure
> you that tapping into a dedicated branch circuit like that would be a no-no.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > Its definitely something you can wire, but looks hokey and probably a
> > violation of the NEC.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig  wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:49:58 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >>
> >>> That is pretty much what I am seeing as I look at various product
> >>> offerings.  They mostly appear to be Chinese junk that have a very
> >>> limited working life.
> >>>
> >>> It would be fairly easy to tap into the AC circuit ahead of the
> >>> maintenance cutout.  I'm just not terribly keen about doing that, as it
> >>> would be a clear violation of code and pretty obvious as well.
> >>
> >> How much wattage do you need?
> >>
> >> Why not tap off and run the wires to a small box with its own
> >> breaker/fuse and cutoff switch? That should be legit. You'll want to be
> >> observant of 120/240 V issues, too.
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

Dan,

Is your circuit breaker panel on an interior wall?  If its in the garage or
some other location, you could pop in a new circuit just for the exterior
lighting.  Put an outlet with a transformer near it, and then run low
voltage from there.  As Grant said the codes for low voltage are pretty
easy to follow.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Another possible scenario, while still a code violation, would be to punch
> through from an interior wall where a receptacle is located and just tap
> into that circuit.  I like this best, as it's a little neater/cleaner than
> tapping into the AC feed.  I would just as well keep that dedicated to the
> AC and nothing else, as it is presently wired.
>
> Hmm.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Craig wrote:
>
> >> How much wattage do you need?
> >
> > Why not tap off and run the wires to a small box with its own
> > breaker/fuse and cutoff switch? That should be legit. You'll want to be
> > observant of 120/240 V issues, too.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

Its definitely something you can wire, but looks hokey and probably a
violation of the NEC.


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:49:58 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
> > That is pretty much what I am seeing as I look at various product
> > offerings.  They mostly appear to be Chinese junk that have a very
> > limited working life.
> >
> > It would be fairly easy to tap into the AC circuit ahead of the
> > maintenance cutout.  I'm just not terribly keen about doing that, as it
> > would be a clear violation of code and pretty obvious as well.
>
> How much wattage do you need?
>
> Why not tap off and run the wires to a small box with its own
> breaker/fuse and cutoff switch? That should be legit. You'll want to be
> observant of 120/240 V issues, too.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Brian Toscano]

Would some low wattage lighting along the wood line give you enough ambient
light for your convenience without making it too bright?  Perhaps you can
run it to a more convenient part of your home.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> I have a backyard that borders a very deep wooded area, and at night it is
> darker than, well, dark.
>
> I would like to have some sort of lighting out there that would light at
> least a portion of the area at night for convenience.  I don't need it for
> anything specific, nor would I need it on for any length of time.
>
> Here's the rub:  I have no electrical sources available anywhere near my
> back wall.  The roof is pitched very little here, and the ceilings go
> directly up to the roof joists, so there is no attic access where I might
> have been able to run some wiring.
>
> My AC condenser is out there, but I'm not keen about tapping in to its
> power source.
>
> I looked around at Harbor Freight for something, but the best they have is
> some lame solar/incandescent floodlight that has horrible reviews.
>
> I'm wondering if there might be some sort of solar/LED light(s) out there
> that would do the trick?
>
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Re: [MBZ] don't move to Seattle

[Brian Toscano]

Must be the presence of air because it was a clear day near the Gorge when
I experienced some of worst of it.  Total d-bags.  Not to mention the
morons with a trailer in the left lane coming down the Cascades at an
extremely slow speed.  Washington State has it all, but from what I can
tell most of it just white trash, rednecks, and d-bags west of Spokane.


On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> yes, do not move to PNW.  Rains all the time.  Any change in weather
> results in nobody understanding how to drive.  The D baggery is due to
> being startled by bright lights and moisture, or clouds, wind, or even the
> presence of air.
>
> clay
>
> On Apr 14, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > Are these the ones that drive like a$$holes on I-90?  Or is that more
> > representative of the natives?  Based on the transportation system I
> would
> > never move to Seattle.  Seems like a bunch of d-bags.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> too late!  You shoulda put up border control 30 years ago to keep the
> >> fruits and nuts from northern migration.
> >>
> >>
> >>> ...Nope, if you moved to Washington State you could have volcanoes,
> >>>
> >>>> avalanches, tsunamis, rain forest, rain, snow, humidity and desert,
> but
> >>>> you've
> >>>> had to give up warm beaches and hurricanes :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> You neglected to mention the earthquakes, traffic and civil
> >>> disobedience.
> >>> Oh, and microbreweries and Starbuck's on every other corner.
> >>>
> >>> We have plenty of people around here without you lot moving in.
> >>>
> >>> RLE
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] don't move to Seattle

[Brian Toscano]

Are these the ones that drive like a$$holes on I-90?  Or is that more
representative of the natives?  Based on the transportation system I would
never move to Seattle.  Seems like a bunch of d-bags.


On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> too late!  You shoulda put up border control 30 years ago to keep the
> fruits and nuts from northern migration.
>
>
>   > ...Nope, if you moved to Washington State you could have volcanoes,
>>
>>>  avalanches, tsunamis, rain forest, rain, snow, humidity and desert, but
>>> you've
>>>  had to give up warm beaches and hurricanes :-)
>>>
>>>  You neglected to mention the earthquakes, traffic and civil
>> disobedience.
>> Oh, and microbreweries and Starbuck's on every other corner.
>>
>> We have plenty of people around here without you lot moving in.
>>
>> RLE
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT CBBT

[Brian Toscano]

http://www.cbbt.com/schedule.html

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:35:32 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
> > Once you get on the eastern shore from the CBBT it's two lane roads, as
> > I recall.
> >
> > I used to go to Wallops Island that way from flying in to Norfolk.
>
>
> http://www.cbbt.com/
>
>
> How much is the toll?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

[Brian Toscano]

What kind of viscosity is 40?  Did they test it cold?


On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I didn't do TBN, viscosity was 40 on both, M1 5w40 was the oil.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:27:43 -0600
> From: Brian Toscano 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Viscosity and TBN?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> > And where are your results pray tell?
> >
> > Upfront I'll admit I haven't done TBN tests.
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

[Brian Toscano]

Viscosity and TBN?


On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> And where are your results pray tell?
>
> Upfront I'll admit I haven't done TBN tests.
>
> After 9700 miles 8/2012: / After 9920 miles 7/2007
>
> Iron: 65  /  51
> Copper: 2  /  3
> Tin: <1  /  1
> Aluminum: 5  /  4
> Chromium: 5  /  3
> Lead: 4  /  3
> Silver: <.1  /  <.1
>
> Silicon: 9  /  3
>
> Calcium: 1331  /  2173
> Phosphorus: 1066  /  906
> Zinc: 1299  /  1058
>
> Soot: .5%  /  .4%
>
> It'll be interesting to see what the next sample shows since this was the
> first load of M1 I'd put in this car. The other car showed very high iron
> levels when I first started sampling which declined over time. I think the
> previous owner had allowed the engine to carbon up and hold iron in the
> carbon. Clean living and hard driving broke that all loose and dumped it in
> the oil for removal.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:29:13 -0600
> From: Brian Toscano 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Dave and I.
>
> Can you repost your OA results?
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> > From where? I posted some numbers for M1 5w40 from my '84 190D that were
> > pretty much exactly the same as my '85 190D back in '05-'06.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:56:54 -0600
> > From: Brian Toscano 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > >From some oil analysis results I've seen the Mobil 1 synthetic
> > formulations
> > do not hold up as well as they used to.  I would be cautious against
> > running it much longer than a mineral based 15w-40 unless you test for
> TBN
> > and wear metals.
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Re: [MBZ] What it's like to live in various parts of the country

[Brian Toscano]

Nope, if you moved to Washington State you could have volcanoes,
avalanches, tsunamis, rain forest, rain, snow, humidity and desert, but
you've had to give up warm beaches and hurricanes :-)


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Or volcanoes...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:15:27 -0600
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> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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>country
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> Not too many avalanches or tsunamis though.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:10 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > We also get earthquakes -- you get it ALL here - no need to shop around
> in
> > other states to find what you're missing.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel OIL again

[Brian Toscano]

Dave and I.

Can you repost your OA results?

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> From where? I posted some numbers for M1 5w40 from my '84 190D that were
> pretty much exactly the same as my '85 190D back in '05-'06.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:56:54 -0600
> From: Brian Toscano 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> >From some oil analysis results I've seen the Mobil 1 synthetic
> formulations
> do not hold up as well as they used to.  I would be cautious against
> running it much longer than a mineral based 15w-40 unless you test for TBN
> and wear metals.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Allan Streib 
> wrote:
>
> > Rich Thomas  writes:
> >
> > > They have Delvac and Delo which were earlier said to be fine.
> >
> > They are fine for an OM-617 but they are not synthetic, so you'll need
> > to change sooner.
> >
> > Allan
> > --
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Re: [MBZ] routers

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The ZyXEL DSL router that Centurylink provides has worked very well for me,
better than my old WRT54G.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Wrt54g is what I have now
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:49 PM, "TE"  wrote:
>
> > Just bought the new Cisco Linksys EA4500 a couple of days ago before
> coming
> > back to China to replace an old WRT54G. Works great, just got it setup
> > yesterday. It's the replacement for the E4200. Not supported by dd-WRT
> yet
> > though. :-(
> >
> > TE
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
> mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> > On Behalf Of OK Don
> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:53 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] routers
> >
> > Linksys E4200 with watching dual band N adapters for the computers --
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Whats the word on routers these days?  I keep dropping my internet
> >> connection and I think it might be my 6 year old Linksys.  Thought I
> >> would try a new one since they are cheap anyway.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> > 2001 ML320
> > 1992 300D 2.5T
> > 1990 300D 2.5T
> > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] What it's like to live in various parts of the country

[Brian Toscano]

Not too many avalanches or tsunamis though.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:10 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> We also get earthquakes -- you get it ALL here - no need to shop around in
> other states to find what you're missing.
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Brian Toscano  >wrote:
>
> > I meant tornados  :-)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >
> > > And lots of tornadoes!
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> > >
> > > >That's called oklahoma, does not usually get to cold in the winter or
> > hot
> > > in the summer. It's a nice conservative state with a low cost of living
> > and
> > > the lowest cost of fuel
> > > >
> > > >Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I have lived in the following parts of the country:
> > > >>
> > > >> Central (Indianapolis) Indiana
> > > >> Southeastern (Milwaukee) WI
> > > >> West Central (Tampa) FL
> > > >> Northern (San Bruno, Montara) CA
> > > >>
> > > >> Without question, the quality of life, something I only experienced
> > and
> > > would have a hard time quantifying, was the best in Wisconsin.
> > > >>
> > > >> Which was my favorite?
> > > >>
> > > >> Without question, Northern CA. A lot of negatives there, but I loved
> > > the place for lots of reasons. That being said, the quality of life
> there
> > > was not equal to Wisconsin.
> > > >>
> > > >> If I could winter in FL and do summer and fall in WI, life would be
> > > darned near perfect.
> > > >>
> > > >> Dan
> > > >>
> > > >> On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> My experience is that every place has many tolerable properties,
> some
> > > great properties and some properties that make you wonder why anyone
> > would
> > > ever want to live there.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I line the area from LaCrosse WI to Dubuque IA.  This includes an
> > area
> > > called little switzerland.  Beautiful country.  Great for outside
> sports:
> > > boating, fishing, skiing (water and snow) hunting, hiking, sightseeing
> > and
> > > so forth.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Lansing and McGregor are picturesque little towns.  WI, outside of
> > > Milwaukee and at least 50 miles out of madison (looneyville) is nice.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Calhoun county IL is nice.  You can live on the IL river side or
> the
> > > Mississippi side of the county.  Most of MO, away from St.L and away
> from
> > > KC is nice.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Most of the states bordering the ohio, Mississippi and Missouri
> > rivers
> > > and the great lakes are nice if you stay out of the metro areas
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TX, FL and some other states have no state income tax, but get you
> > > other ways.  OR used to have no sales tax.  Is that still true?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If you like ocean, Dauphin Island, AL is nice, as is the FL
> panhandle
> > > and the MS gulf coast with 26 miles long beach.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Northern Cal(at least 100 miles away from sanfransicko) and all the
> > > way up to BC is beautiful country, if you don't mind living in
> socialist
> > > states.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Speaking of socialist states, HI has nice weather.  Volcano VIllage
> > is
> > > my favorite place, with Kealikakua and Hilo coming in as close seconds.
> > >  But lunacy is rampant, you have the pakalolo growers union with is
> > strong
> > > enough to conduct an armed occupation of the puna police HQ with no
> > > resulting arrests, many old hippies who are now drugged out zombies,
> the
> > > "Haw. sovereignty movement", which is a front for the pakalolo growers
> > > union.  All of Kauai is nice.  Mauka Maui is nice but when you have to
> go
> > > makai, the traffic is nuts. Kailua on Oahu is nice.  Northern oahu has
> > some
> > > nice spots, and you can choose the windward s

Re: [MBZ] What it's like to live in various parts of the country

[Brian Toscano]

I meant tornados  :-)


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> And lots of tornadoes!
>
> Dan
>
> "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>
> >That's called oklahoma, does not usually get to cold in the winter or hot
> in the summer. It's a nice conservative state with a low cost of living and
> the lowest cost of fuel
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >
> >> I have lived in the following parts of the country:
> >>
> >> Central (Indianapolis) Indiana
> >> Southeastern (Milwaukee) WI
> >> West Central (Tampa) FL
> >> Northern (San Bruno, Montara) CA
> >>
> >> Without question, the quality of life, something I only experienced and
> would have a hard time quantifying, was the best in Wisconsin.
> >>
> >> Which was my favorite?
> >>
> >> Without question, Northern CA. A lot of negatives there, but I loved
> the place for lots of reasons. That being said, the quality of life there
> was not equal to Wisconsin.
> >>
> >> If I could winter in FL and do summer and fall in WI, life would be
> darned near perfect.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> My experience is that every place has many tolerable properties, some
> great properties and some properties that make you wonder why anyone would
> ever want to live there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I line the area from LaCrosse WI to Dubuque IA.  This includes an area
> called little switzerland.  Beautiful country.  Great for outside sports:
> boating, fishing, skiing (water and snow) hunting, hiking, sightseeing and
> so forth.
> >>>
> >>> Lansing and McGregor are picturesque little towns.  WI, outside of
> Milwaukee and at least 50 miles out of madison (looneyville) is nice.
> >>>
> >>> Calhoun county IL is nice.  You can live on the IL river side or the
> Mississippi side of the county.  Most of MO, away from St.L and away from
> KC is nice.
> >>>
> >>> Most of the states bordering the ohio, Mississippi and Missouri rivers
> and the great lakes are nice if you stay out of the metro areas
> >>>
> >>> TX, FL and some other states have no state income tax, but get you
> other ways.  OR used to have no sales tax.  Is that still true?
> >>>
> >>> If you like ocean, Dauphin Island, AL is nice, as is the FL panhandle
> and the MS gulf coast with 26 miles long beach.
> >>>
> >>> Northern Cal(at least 100 miles away from sanfransicko) and all the
> way up to BC is beautiful country, if you don't mind living in socialist
> states.
> >>>
> >>> Speaking of socialist states, HI has nice weather.  Volcano VIllage is
> my favorite place, with Kealikakua and Hilo coming in as close seconds.
>  But lunacy is rampant, you have the pakalolo growers union with is strong
> enough to conduct an armed occupation of the puna police HQ with no
> resulting arrests, many old hippies who are now drugged out zombies, the
> "Haw. sovereignty movement", which is a front for the pakalolo growers
> union.  All of Kauai is nice.  Mauka Maui is nice but when you have to go
> makai, the traffic is nuts. Kailua on Oahu is nice.  Northern oahu has some
> nice spots, and you can choose the windward side if you like rainforest, or
> the leeward side if you like desert.  Good surfin either way.  Good huntin'
> on the Big Island.  The gummit, however is as corrupt as chicago, and as
> socialist as venezuela.
> >>>
> >>> Like I said, good things and bad things everywhere.  Gummit goes from
> looney bad to insanely terrible.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Joe Biden

[Brian Toscano]

During presidential elections, Republicans buy elections and the Democrats
just win them by being better than the Republications :-)



On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> I have to say I'm disappointed.  Last time around the Republicans
> nominated someone who couldn't beat Obama, and this time they are
> nominating someone who couldn't beat the last guy.
>
>
> Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > As I said, the powers that be are offering up the false choice:  a
> > socialist or a marxist.  Two great political parties.  Dumbos or
> > jackasses.  Repblicrats and democans.   Time to storm the bastille.
> >
> >
> >>Grant wrote:
> >>>  Let's see what another 4 yrs of "Hoax and Chains" could bring us
> just
> >>>  saying...
> >>>  :<)')
> >>
> >>That is what it will be for sure.  The contest being presented today
> >>is a non-contest - it is a win for the incumbent, hands down.  Mark
> >>these words.
> >>mao
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] What it's like to live in various parts of the country

[Brian Toscano]

Kaleb,

I don't have any problems with Oklahoma, but I do question your comments
about the weather.  When I think about the weather there, I think of winter
ice storms, spring hurricanes, hot summers, and a moderate fall - not as
cold as Colorado and not as hot as Phoenix, but still plenty hot.



On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> That's called oklahoma, does not usually get to cold in the winter or hot
> in the summer. It's a nice conservative state with a low cost of living and
> the lowest cost of fuel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
> > I have lived in the following parts of the country:
> >
> > Central (Indianapolis) Indiana
> > Southeastern (Milwaukee) WI
> > West Central (Tampa) FL
> > Northern (San Bruno, Montara) CA
> >
> > Without question, the quality of life, something I only experienced and
> would have a hard time quantifying, was the best in Wisconsin.
> >
> > Which was my favorite?
> >
> > Without question, Northern CA. A lot of negatives there, but I loved the
> place for lots of reasons. That being said, the quality of life there was
> not equal to Wisconsin.
> >
> > If I could winter in FL and do summer and fall in WI, life would be
> darned near perfect.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> My experience is that every place has many tolerable properties, some
> great properties and some properties that make you wonder why anyone would
> ever want to live there.
> >>
> >>
> >> I line the area from LaCrosse WI to Dubuque IA.  This includes an area
> called little switzerland.  Beautiful country.  Great for outside sports:
> boating, fishing, skiing (water and snow) hunting, hiking, sightseeing and
> so forth.
> >>
> >> Lansing and McGregor are picturesque little towns.  WI, outside of
> Milwaukee and at least 50 miles out of madison (looneyville) is nice.
> >>
> >> Calhoun county IL is nice.  You can live on the IL river side or the
> Mississippi side of the county.  Most of MO, away from St.L and away from
> KC is nice.
> >>
> >> Most of the states bordering the ohio, Mississippi and Missouri rivers
> and the great lakes are nice if you stay out of the metro areas
> >>
> >> TX, FL and some other states have no state income tax, but get you
> other ways.  OR used to have no sales tax.  Is that still true?
> >>
> >> If you like ocean, Dauphin Island, AL is nice, as is the FL panhandle
> and the MS gulf coast with 26 miles long beach.
> >>
> >> Northern Cal(at least 100 miles away from sanfransicko) and all the way
> up to BC is beautiful country, if you don't mind living in socialist states.
> >>
> >> Speaking of socialist states, HI has nice weather.  Volcano VIllage is
> my favorite place, with Kealikakua and Hilo coming in as close seconds.
>  But lunacy is rampant, you have the pakalolo growers union with is strong
> enough to conduct an armed occupation of the puna police HQ with no
> resulting arrests, many old hippies who are now drugged out zombies, the
> "Haw. sovereignty movement", which is a front for the pakalolo growers
> union.  All of Kauai is nice.  Mauka Maui is nice but when you have to go
> makai, the traffic is nuts. Kailua on Oahu is nice.  Northern oahu has some
> nice spots, and you can choose the windward side if you like rainforest, or
> the leeward side if you like desert.  Good surfin either way.  Good huntin'
> on the Big Island.  The gummit, however is as corrupt as chicago, and as
> socialist as venezuela.
> >>
> >> Like I said, good things and bad things everywhere.  Gummit goes from
> looney bad to insanely terrible.
> >>
> >> ___
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Computer Stuff - Active Directory/LDAP, etc.

[Brian Toscano]

I can also tell use Websense uses NTLM authentication.  I think you use a
VB library (and possibly Java) to authenticate to the proxy outside of IE,
but I have never tried to do it.



On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Probably Websense is a proxy server based on IIS?  IE will pass the
> user's Windows credentials to IIS, so it knows who the logged-in user
> is.
>
> Allan
>
> Dan Penoff  writes:
>
> > Understood.
> >
> > The question is how does the filter (Websense) get this information?
> >
> > I am not familiar with it, but have been tasked to figure out how it's
> getting the user information.  These are water cooler discussions we're
> having at this point.
> >
> > I wil be talking to the vendor tomorrow, I suspect.
> >
> > Thanks for some direction.  This is a big help, as I don't yet have the
> big picture on this one.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > On Apr 11, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> >
> >> To be more correct, there are a number of methods that your web
> filtering
> >> software can use.  In my last email I described one way.  There are
> other
> >> integration agents that can be used.  For example, you can use DC Agent
> to
> >> tie directly to the domain controllers, among other methods.
> >>
> >> What confuses me is why you are referring to the active IP address.  On
> the
> >> workstation, there ought to be any number of ways to determine the user
> >> logged into the machine.  It may even be an environment variable.  The
> >> domain controllers also keep track of login/workstation information.  As
> >> does Active Directory.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Brian Toscano  >wrote:
> >>
> >>> IE and some of the browsers are able to automatically exchange the
> >>> information with your web filter.  Basically it is a function of the
> >>> software rather than the OS.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:49 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Our web filter at work is AD aware, so it gets the security token
> from the
> >>>> windows client and knows which AD account is sending the request. We
> log
> >>>> all that and report Internet usage every month, by AD group. No magic
> >>>> scripts - out of the box functionality for the tool.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Here is a quandary for all of my MB computer geek buddies out there:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Overview:  An MS Active Directory domain with many thousands of users
> >>>> that
> >>>>> uses LDAP.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Task: Using an active IP address, resolve the AD account that is
> >>>> currently
> >>>>> in use on the machine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can do this in a very crude fashion using command line tools like
> >>>>> nbtstat and net view.  However, that approach is crude and not
> >>>> automated or
> >>>>> scriptable that I know of.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is what we're attempting to determine:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We have a web filter that keeps the kiddies safe and assures our
> >>>>> compliance with CIPA.  This filter is able to determine the active
> user
> >>>>> account on a machine, and by doing so, filter accordingly.  For
> >>>> example, I
> >>>>> can create a group that includes staff accounts only, and by applying
> >>>> that
> >>>>> filter can allow staff member access to YouTube, and at the same time
> >>>> keep
> >>>>> the kids out of it, as they have different accounts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How is this being done?  I have to believe there is some sort of VB
> >>>> script
> >>>>> that is run at a very low level to determine the account on the
> machine.
> >>>>> We are trying to figure out how it does this, and if this is
> something
> >>>> we
> >>>>> can replicate for other purposes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm all ears
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or direction.
> >&

Re: [MBZ] OT - Computer Stuff - Active Directory/LDAP, etc.

[Brian Toscano]

http://www.websense.com/content/support/library/web/v75/user_id/uid_overview.aspx



On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> In the first model I mentioned, IE and the web browser exchanges the
> information with Websense.  I don't know the details of the protocol they
> use.  In the second model, DC Agent, Websense installs an agent on a domain
> controller and it sends the information to the websense content gateway.
>
> Where are you trying to run this program you're trying to create?  On a
> server or workstation?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
>> Understood.
>>
>> The question is how does the filter (Websense) get this information?
>>
>> I am not familiar with it, but have been tasked to figure out how it's
>> getting the user information.  These are water cooler discussions we're
>> having at this point.
>>
>> I wil be talking to the vendor tomorrow, I suspect.
>>
>> Thanks for some direction.  This is a big help, as I don't yet have the
>> big picture on this one.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>
>> > To be more correct, there are a number of methods that your web
>> filtering
>> > software can use.  In my last email I described one way.  There are
>> other
>> > integration agents that can be used.  For example, you can use DC Agent
>> to
>> > tie directly to the domain controllers, among other methods.
>> >
>> > What confuses me is why you are referring to the active IP address.  On
>> the
>> > workstation, there ought to be any number of ways to determine the user
>> > logged into the machine.  It may even be an environment variable.  The
>> > domain controllers also keep track of login/workstation information.  As
>> > does Active Directory.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Brian Toscano > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> IE and some of the browsers are able to automatically exchange the
>> >> information with your web filter.  Basically it is a function of the
>> >> software rather than the OS.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:49 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Our web filter at work is AD aware, so it gets the security token
>> from the
>> >>> windows client and knows which AD account is sending the request. We
>> log
>> >>> all that and report Internet usage every month, by AD group. No magic
>> >>> scripts - out of the box functionality for the tool.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Here is a quandary for all of my MB computer geek buddies out there:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Overview:  An MS Active Directory domain with many thousands of users
>> >>> that
>> >>>> uses LDAP.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Task: Using an active IP address, resolve the AD account that is
>> >>> currently
>> >>>> in use on the machine.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I can do this in a very crude fashion using command line tools like
>> >>>> nbtstat and net view.  However, that approach is crude and not
>> >>> automated or
>> >>>> scriptable that I know of.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here is what we're attempting to determine:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We have a web filter that keeps the kiddies safe and assures our
>> >>>> compliance with CIPA.  This filter is able to determine the active
>> user
>> >>>> account on a machine, and by doing so, filter accordingly.  For
>> >>> example, I
>> >>>> can create a group that includes staff accounts only, and by applying
>> >>> that
>> >>>> filter can allow staff member access to YouTube, and at the same time
>> >>> keep
>> >>>> the kids out of it, as they have different accounts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How is this being done?  I have to believe there is some sort of VB
>> >>> script
>> >>>> that is run at a very low level to determine the account on the
>> machine.
>> >>>> We are trying to figure out how it does this, and if this is
>> something
>> >>> we
>> >>>> can repl

Re: [MBZ] OT - Computer Stuff - Active Directory/LDAP, etc.

[Brian Toscano]

In the first model I mentioned, IE and the web browser exchanges the
information with Websense.  I don't know the details of the protocol they
use.  In the second model, DC Agent, Websense installs an agent on a domain
controller and it sends the information to the websense content gateway.

Where are you trying to run this program you're trying to create?  On a
server or workstation?


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Understood.
>
> The question is how does the filter (Websense) get this information?
>
> I am not familiar with it, but have been tasked to figure out how it's
> getting the user information.  These are water cooler discussions we're
> having at this point.
>
> I wil be talking to the vendor tomorrow, I suspect.
>
> Thanks for some direction.  This is a big help, as I don't yet have the
> big picture on this one.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > To be more correct, there are a number of methods that your web filtering
> > software can use.  In my last email I described one way.  There are other
> > integration agents that can be used.  For example, you can use DC Agent
> to
> > tie directly to the domain controllers, among other methods.
> >
> > What confuses me is why you are referring to the active IP address.  On
> the
> > workstation, there ought to be any number of ways to determine the user
> > logged into the machine.  It may even be an environment variable.  The
> > domain controllers also keep track of login/workstation information.  As
> > does Active Directory.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Brian Toscano  >wrote:
> >
> >> IE and some of the browsers are able to automatically exchange the
> >> information with your web filter.  Basically it is a function of the
> >> software rather than the OS.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:49 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Our web filter at work is AD aware, so it gets the security token from
> the
> >>> windows client and knows which AD account is sending the request. We
> log
> >>> all that and report Internet usage every month, by AD group. No magic
> >>> scripts - out of the box functionality for the tool.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Here is a quandary for all of my MB computer geek buddies out there:
> >>>>
> >>>> Overview:  An MS Active Directory domain with many thousands of users
> >>> that
> >>>> uses LDAP.
> >>>>
> >>>> Task: Using an active IP address, resolve the AD account that is
> >>> currently
> >>>> in use on the machine.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I can do this in a very crude fashion using command line tools like
> >>>> nbtstat and net view.  However, that approach is crude and not
> >>> automated or
> >>>> scriptable that I know of.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is what we're attempting to determine:
> >>>>
> >>>> We have a web filter that keeps the kiddies safe and assures our
> >>>> compliance with CIPA.  This filter is able to determine the active
> user
> >>>> account on a machine, and by doing so, filter accordingly.  For
> >>> example, I
> >>>> can create a group that includes staff accounts only, and by applying
> >>> that
> >>>> filter can allow staff member access to YouTube, and at the same time
> >>> keep
> >>>> the kids out of it, as they have different accounts.
> >>>>
> >>>> How is this being done?  I have to believe there is some sort of VB
> >>> script
> >>>> that is run at a very low level to determine the account on the
> machine.
> >>>> We are trying to figure out how it does this, and if this is something
> >>> we
> >>>> can replicate for other purposes.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm all ears
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or direction.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dan
> >>>> ___
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> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] New Office for Kleb

[Brian Toscano]

Cost?


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:51 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> http://www.stumbleupon.com/to/s/1HjI10
>
> clay
>
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Computer Stuff - Active Directory/LDAP, etc.

[Brian Toscano]

To be more correct, there are a number of methods that your web filtering
software can use.  In my last email I described one way.  There are other
integration agents that can be used.  For example, you can use DC Agent to
tie directly to the domain controllers, among other methods.

What confuses me is why you are referring to the active IP address.  On the
workstation, there ought to be any number of ways to determine the user
logged into the machine.  It may even be an environment variable.  The
domain controllers also keep track of login/workstation information.  As
does Active Directory.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> IE and some of the browsers are able to automatically exchange the
> information with your web filter.  Basically it is a function of the
> software rather than the OS.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:49 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
>> Our web filter at work is AD aware, so it gets the security token from the
>> windows client and knows which AD account is sending the request. We log
>> all that and report Internet usage every month, by AD group. No magic
>> scripts - out of the box functionality for the tool.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>
>> > Here is a quandary for all of my MB computer geek buddies out there:
>> >
>> > Overview:  An MS Active Directory domain with many thousands of users
>> that
>> > uses LDAP.
>> >
>> > Task: Using an active IP address, resolve the AD account that is
>> currently
>> > in use on the machine.
>> >
>> >
>> > I can do this in a very crude fashion using command line tools like
>> > nbtstat and net view.  However, that approach is crude and not
>> automated or
>> > scriptable that I know of.
>> >
>> > Here is what we're attempting to determine:
>> >
>> > We have a web filter that keeps the kiddies safe and assures our
>> > compliance with CIPA.  This filter is able to determine the active user
>> > account on a machine, and by doing so, filter accordingly.  For
>> example, I
>> > can create a group that includes staff accounts only, and by applying
>> that
>> > filter can allow staff member access to YouTube, and at the same time
>> keep
>> > the kids out of it, as they have different accounts.
>> >
>> > How is this being done?  I have to believe there is some sort of VB
>> script
>> > that is run at a very low level to determine the account on the machine.
>> >  We are trying to figure out how it does this, and if this is something
>> we
>> > can replicate for other purposes.
>> >
>> > I'm all ears
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions or direction.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> > ___
>> > http://www.okiebenz.com
>> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com
>> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> >
>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> 2001 ML320
>> 1992 300D 2.5T
>> 1990 300D 2.5T
>> 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Computer Stuff - Active Directory/LDAP, etc.

[Brian Toscano]

IE and some of the browsers are able to automatically exchange the
information with your web filter.  Basically it is a function of the
software rather than the OS.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:49 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Our web filter at work is AD aware, so it gets the security token from the
> windows client and knows which AD account is sending the request. We log
> all that and report Internet usage every month, by AD group. No magic
> scripts - out of the box functionality for the tool.
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
> > Here is a quandary for all of my MB computer geek buddies out there:
> >
> > Overview:  An MS Active Directory domain with many thousands of users
> that
> > uses LDAP.
> >
> > Task: Using an active IP address, resolve the AD account that is
> currently
> > in use on the machine.
> >
> >
> > I can do this in a very crude fashion using command line tools like
> > nbtstat and net view.  However, that approach is crude and not automated
> or
> > scriptable that I know of.
> >
> > Here is what we're attempting to determine:
> >
> > We have a web filter that keeps the kiddies safe and assures our
> > compliance with CIPA.  This filter is able to determine the active user
> > account on a machine, and by doing so, filter accordingly.  For example,
> I
> > can create a group that includes staff accounts only, and by applying
> that
> > filter can allow staff member access to YouTube, and at the same time
> keep
> > the kids out of it, as they have different accounts.
> >
> > How is this being done?  I have to believe there is some sort of VB
> script
> > that is run at a very low level to determine the account on the machine.
> >  We are trying to figure out how it does this, and if this is something
> we
> > can replicate for other purposes.
> >
> > I'm all ears
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions or direction.
> >
> > Dan
> > ___
> > http://www.okiebenz.com
> > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com
> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Control arm questions.

[Brian Toscano]

You don't need a spring compressor for 124/201 chassis either.

The most important thing to do is not to tighten the suspension bolts until
the weight of the car is on the wheels.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:18:06 -0400 Fred Moir 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, all.
> > Just to check.
> > This weekend I'm going to put in the rear lower control arm bushings
> > that I bought from Rusty, lo these many months ago; and, if memory
> > serves, there is no need for a spring compressor for the rear springs.
> > Just lower away slowly with the jack?
> > Comments?
> > Correction! Pertinent comments, please.
>
> I have changed axle half-shafts on a W123 and never used a spring
> compressor. I can send pictures of that job, if you are interested.
>
> I presume you are talking about a W123.
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] What it's like to live in various parts of the country

[Brian Toscano]

I find it hard to answer questions like these because they are very
subjective.  What someone like about a certain area others may find totally
unacceptable.  For example, one may like a certain state or region because
the people and government are not in your face about things, while others
may prefer to live in a nanny state.  Weather and popular recreation
activities are less subjective, but still a lot has to do with your line of
work and the circle of people you create.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> I am curious to hear how Dan found the qualify of live in WI better than
> other parts of the country.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Northern WI. The state bird up there. Totally different place, very, very
>>> rural.
>>>
>>> Dan, eh
>>>
>>>
>> They grow bigun's up there, but the worst bites I ever experienced were
>> the ity biitty skeeters in Kaneohe, HI, and the thickest clouds of
>> mosquitos I have seen were at Hannibal, MO
>>
>> Northern WI is a terrific place to live in the summer, and if you love
>> snowmobiles, crosscountry, ice fishin' and wood fires, it is great in the
>> winter too.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] What it's like to live in various parts of the country

[Brian Toscano]

I am curious to hear how Dan found the qualify of live in WI better than
other parts of the country.


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Northern WI. The state bird up there. Totally different place, very, very
>> rural.
>>
>> Dan, eh
>>
>>
> They grow bigun's up there, but the worst bites I ever experienced were
> the ity biitty skeeters in Kaneohe, HI, and the thickest clouds of
> mosquitos I have seen were at Hannibal, MO
>
> Northern WI is a terrific place to live in the summer, and if you love
> snowmobiles, crosscountry, ice fishin' and wood fires, it is great in the
> winter too.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

[Brian Toscano]

In Louisiana you pay the sales tax whenever you bring a vehicle into the
state.  The check is made to the name of the current county sheriff :-)

Brian


On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Probably trying to avoid missing out on tax revenue. This sounds much like
> the WI and FL laws that require you to pay sales tax on cars purchased out
> of state if you establish residency within six months of the purchase.
>
> Dan
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Brian Toscano 
> wrote:
>
> > So what are they trying to do here?  "Encourage" MA residents to buy
> > vehicles within MA?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Canfield  writes:
> >>
> >>> MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to
> >>> impound cars over it.
> >>
> >> OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research
> >> (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable):
> >>
> >>   "Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates
> >>issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal.
> >>
> >>   "Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents
> >>but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of
> >>state vehicles.
> >>
> >> So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's
> >> temporary plate on a car I bought.  However if I as an Indiana resident
> >> I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can
> >> drive it in/through MA legally.
> >>
> >> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS rip off

[Brian Toscano]

lobbyists who influence the politicians too.



On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the state
>> wants people to drive relatively modern cars but imposes an extra tax on
>> anyone who buys a newer car.
>> Our system does have this in a sense where the tax payable when you
>> register a car is based on value but annual renewal fees are based on the
>> type of vehicle, so the annual cost of a new Merc is the same as one that
>> is 20 years old.
>>
>> Hendrik
>> who hates paying for rego
>>
>
> WELL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POLITICIANS, GUMMIT AND GUMMIT EMPLOYEES. Why
> does the word stupid seem to fit in well with this group?
>
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