Re: [MBZ] Loren Faeth

[dseretakis]

Yes he is a list member!

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> On Apr 9, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I just received a LinkedIn email notification concerning "Loren Faeth".  Is
> he a List member?
> 
> "Loren" does macadamia nuts and biofuels and wastewater treatment!  I am
> impressed.
> 
> https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=15546931&trk=eml-nu_digest-network_profile_updates-1-skill-prof-sl&sl=NPU_REG%3B986282121428609900944%3B-1%3Bactivity%3A5991396174173663232%3B7%3B0%3B
> 
> Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

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Truly unbelievable. 

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> On Apr 7, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> 
> http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/04/south-carolina-cop-arrested-for-murder-after-video-shows-him-shooting-man-in-back/
> 
> Slager claimed he tried to subdue Scott with a taser, only for Scott to take 
> the taser from him and tried to overpower him, making him fear for his life, 
> leaving him no choice but to open fire and kill him.
> 
> And he would likely have gotten away with it had it not been for a pesky 
> bystander with a video camera.
> 
> The video is so flagrant that Slager’s lawyers immediately dropped him as a 
> client, showing Slager shooting him in the back from at least 40 feet away 
> before calmly walking to him as he speaks into his radio, informing 
> dispatchers of “shots fired.”
> 
> North Charleston Police Chief Eddie Driggers also wasted no time in arresting 
> him, calling a press conference today to make the announcement.
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

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The video footage betrays a cold blooded murderous cop. This was no mistake. 
Utterly disgusting.

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> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:24 PM, "Greg Fiorentino"  wrote:
> 
> Well, cops are human and make mistakes...and there are some bad ones out
> there too.  I've worked with a few bad ones, and helped at least one into
> the slammer.  The good ones don't usually make the news, unless they get in
> the way of an agenda of the powers-that-be.  Then the press tries to drown
> them in ink.
> 
> Greg
> 
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> Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 2:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS
> 
> New developments in the ventilation.  Seems like the cop has a VERY big
> problem now.  Victim who had a warrant out for his arrest (failure to pay
> child support apparently, rims and a Benz took priority), ran from a traffic
> stop, shot in back 8 times.
> 
> I will probably avoid North Chuck for the foreseeable future.
> 
> http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150407/PC16/150409468
> 
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Re: [MBZ] the "club"

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I might be heading down in late July sometime. Maybe we can arrange something 
then. You know our friend no longer lives in DC! He's living on a farm in rural 
Maryland!

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> On Apr 7, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Hey Dimitri - when are you next scheduled to come down on your semi-annual
> welding holiday?  My TD picked up a smidgen of rust this winter...  Maybe
> we could have a DIY alley party chez Gael?  I'll operate the video camera.
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:14 AM,  wrote:
>> 
>> The whole foods is a few blocks up. I lived between the two on Wisconsin
>> Ave.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 6, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Rich Thomas <
>>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The A&P that used to be in Georgetown was THE pickup place for chicks
>> back in the day.  I'm sure Andrew knows about it.   It's a Whole Foods now,
>> make of that what you might...
>>> 
>>> --R (Hey, baby, wanna squeeze these lemons?)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 4/6/15 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 Or he could hang out in the produce department at the local grocery
>> store
 
 Dan "Vegetables are sensuous"
 
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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> 
> You just need to find the "chicks" who need a man with a station wagon.
> Maybe the ones who buy antiques etc.
> Surely there are nice ladies who would rather ride in an MB wagon than
>> some Asian SUV.
> If you do not think so, then it is time to swap a wagon for a Red SL.
> 
> RB
> 
> 
>> On 06/04/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> Nice try but this is the sort of car that only appeals to guys.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 1983 300TD
>> 1985 300TD
>> Different colors but equally attractive to chicks, which is to say not
>> at all
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Re: [MBZ] the "club"

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The whole foods is a few blocks up. I lived between the two on Wisconsin Ave.

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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Rich Thomas 
>  wrote:
> 
> The A&P that used to be in Georgetown was THE pickup place for chicks back in 
> the day.  I'm sure Andrew knows about it.   It's a Whole Foods now, make of 
> that what you might...
> 
> --R (Hey, baby, wanna squeeze these lemons?)
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4/6/15 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Or he could hang out in the produce department at the local grocery store
>> 
>> Dan "Vegetables are sensuous"
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You just need to find the "chicks" who need a man with a station wagon.
>>> Maybe the ones who buy antiques etc.
>>> Surely there are nice ladies who would rather ride in an MB wagon than some 
>>> Asian SUV.
>>> If you do not think so, then it is time to swap a wagon for a Red SL.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
>>> 
 On 06/04/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 Nice try but this is the sort of car that only appeals to guys.
 
 Andrew
 1983 300TD
 1985 300TD
 Different colors but equally attractive to chicks, which is to say not
 at all
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Re: [MBZ] the "club"

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I never picked up any chicks at that Safeway:) Well, I might have picked up my 
girlfriend there but we were already together for several years.

It was torn down and rebuilt into a multi-story job.

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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> You mean the Social Safeway?  Still there.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> 
>> The A&P that used to be in Georgetown was THE pickup place for chicks back
>> in the day.  I'm sure Andrew knows about it.   It's a Whole Foods now, make
>> of that what you might...
>> 
>> --R (Hey, baby, wanna squeeze these lemons?)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4/6/15 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or he could hang out in the produce department at the local grocery
>>> store
>>> 
>>> Dan "Vegetables are sensuous"
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Apr 6, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
 
 You just need to find the "chicks" who need a man with a station wagon.
 Maybe the ones who buy antiques etc.
 Surely there are nice ladies who would rather ride in an MB wagon than
 some Asian SUV.
 If you do not think so, then it is time to swap a wagon for a Red SL.
 
 RB
 
 
> On 06/04/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Nice try but this is the sort of car that only appeals to guys.
> 
> Andrew
> 1983 300TD
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> Different colors but equally attractive to chicks, which is to say not
> at all
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

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Some years ago, up here in Maine, a cop responded to a domestic dispute. The 
man was an invalid in a wheelchair paralyzed from waist down. The invalid 
wielded a knife at the cop who then proceeded to shoot him dead. Really?? Now 
how was that necessary? This stuff happens all too often and is disgusting.

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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me try this one more time.
> 
> Pretend you're Law Enforcement responding to a report of a domestic
> dispute.  If the state/local laws place no (or very loose) restrictions on
> gun rights, wouldn't/shouldn't you assume there are guns (firearms, if you
> prefer) inside the house, and that since tempers are hot one or both
> occupants might be tempted to grab a weapon in response to your knock on
> the door.  Knowing this possibility, wouldn't you take preemptive steps to
> defend yourself, which might lead you to be a little trigger happy?  In
> other words, accidentally shoot an unarmed civilian?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 9:51 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>> 
>> I fear a cheap Mercedes - BTDT.
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Dwight Giles 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't fear any Mercedes. Does that count in this discussion?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> OK Don
>> 
>> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>> 
>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>> 
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>> 
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

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Good one!

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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 9:51 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> 
> I fear a cheap Mercedes - BTDT.
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't fear any Mercedes. Does that count in this discussion?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

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You need to fear something so deadly. If you don't then you are an idiot. I'm 
not wrong.

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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 9:15 PM, "Greg Fiorentino"  wrote:
> 
> You are correct but wrong.  You are correct that only an idiot would fail to
> treat a firearm with respect and caution.  You are wrong that anyone should
> have an irrational fear (phobia) of firearms.
> 
> Greg
> 
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> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 6:00 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS
> 
> Anyone with half a brain should have hoplophobia. If you don't treat a gun
> with utmost respect and caution you are nothing but an idiot.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:54 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>> 
>> Please excuse my failure to communicate in your language.
>> 
>> I'm a graduate of intense therapy which taught me the meaning of 
>> "personal attack" that apparently was not taught in a language which we
> share.
>> 
>> The therapy was called "boot camp" followed by other sessions called 
>> "advanced combat training" and "escape and evade survival school".
>> Graduation exercises lasted for two tours in a hostile fire zone 
>> called "Vietnam" where I exercised my skills at avoiding personal 
>> attacks of various kinds followed by tours in other places of equal
> sensitivity.
>> 
>> Somehow, "what we have here is a failure to communicate".
>> 
>> I do offer my apology for being out of touch with my sensitive 
>> feelings and failing to adequately communicate to you.
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> No one responded to my hypothersis - it's much easier to attack me 
>>> personally.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Rich Thomas < 
>>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>> 
 Condensation only happens when you're cool!
 
 --R
 
> On 4/6/15 3:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> 
> I ould do without the condescension.
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, G Mann wrote:
>> 
>> Andrew,
>>> 
>>> I would like to introduce you to "hoplophobia".
>>> 
>>> It appears you may have the symptoms and I urge you to seek
> treatment.
>> It
>>> is, in some instances, terminal, and I wouldn't want that to 
>>> happen to
>> you.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

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Anyone with half a brain should have hoplophobia. If you don't treat a gun with 
utmost respect and caution you are nothing but an idiot.

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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:54 PM, G Mann  wrote:
> 
> Please excuse my failure to communicate in your language.
> 
> I'm a graduate of intense therapy which taught me the meaning of "personal
> attack" that apparently was not taught in a language which we share.
> 
> The therapy was called "boot camp" followed by other sessions called
> "advanced combat training" and "escape and evade survival school".
> Graduation exercises lasted for two tours in a hostile fire zone called
> "Vietnam" where I exercised my skills at avoiding personal attacks of
> various kinds followed by tours in other places of equal sensitivity.
> 
> Somehow, "what we have here is a failure to communicate".
> 
> I do offer my apology for being out of touch with my sensitive feelings and
> failing to adequately communicate to you.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
>> No one responded to my hypothersis - it's much easier to attack me
>> personally.
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Condensation only happens when you're cool!
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
 On 4/6/15 3:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 
 I ould do without the condescension.
 
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, G Mann wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
>> 
>> I would like to introduce you to "hoplophobia".
>> 
>> It appears you may have the symptoms and I urge you to seek treatment.
> It
>> is, in some instances, terminal, and I wouldn't want that to happen to
> you.
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Re: [MBZ] Parts

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There is a shipping charge but nothing out of the ordinary. You almost always 
get the part in two days. Autohausaz 5-7.

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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Be careful of the shipping charges - ask first.
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM,  wrote:
>> 
>> You guys shouldn't discount the Classic Center. You get 15-20% off with
>> MBCA discount and you are guaranteed to get quality. No BS.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Curly wrote:
 Dr. Fatty has been mentioned.  If you like abuse, you can try him.
>>> 
>>> The abuse is totally classic and expected.  I like it, I expect it.
>>> Too bad banned is dead.
>>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Parts

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You guys shouldn't discount the Classic Center. You get 15-20% off with MBCA 
discount and you are guaranteed to get quality. No BS.

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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:
> 
> Curly wrote:
>> Dr. Fatty has been mentioned.  If you like abuse, you can try him.
> 
> The abuse is totally classic and expected.  I like it, I expect it.
> Too bad banned is dead.
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Re: [MBZ] Lesjofor Springs

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I thought they were OEM to Mercedes?

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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know anything about these guys?
> 
> I ask because they sell a lot of springs, and are less expensive than MB by a 
> bit.
> 
> I need to put a new set of rear springs on the S500 (W140) coupe, and I was 
> considering them as a supplier.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Booted For Excessive Bounces

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Yup me too.

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> On Apr 5, 2015, at 9:17 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
> 
> ‎Your membership in the mailing list Mercedes has been disabled due to
> excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 06-Apr-2015.
> 
> This stuff again...?
> 
> Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

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So if a cop attacks someone and that person is in imminent danger of being 
incapacitated by the cop, then does the victim have re right to use deadly 
force against the cop? 

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> On Apr 5, 2015, at 2:39 PM, "Greg Fiorentino"  wrote:
> 
> If an armed LE officer is attacked by someone, and is in imminent danger of
> being incapacitated by the attacker (as with a taser or OC spray,) his
> training is to use deadly force in that situation.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Strasfogel
> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 8:14 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS
> 
> I would speculate the increase in cop shooting incidents is correlated with
> the rise in gun ownership and the ease with which anyone can now purchase
> some very lethal weaponry.  Rather than ask questions, cops just shoot under
> the assumption that the suspect is or could be heavily armed.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> 
>> Dint wanna ride the lightning after the cop tried to stop him, tried 
>> to get cop's Taser, got a 9mm lead injection instead.
>> 
>> http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150404/PC16/150409635/1177
>> 
>> Kleb could probably pick up the Benz cheap, and Wilton could get the 
>> rims, yo.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Thug driving Benz with pimp rims gets ventilated at FLAPS

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I want to know why these cops shoot to kill. Why not shoot the guy in the arm 
or leg? If he's grabbing for a taser then he's probably not armed. 

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> 
> I would speculate the increase in cop shooting incidents is correlated with
> the rise in gun ownership and the ease with which anyone can now purchase
> some very lethal weaponry.  Rather than ask questions, cops just shoot
> under the assumption that the suspect is or could be heavily armed.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> 
>> Dint wanna ride the lightning after the cop tried to stop him, tried to
>> get cop's Taser, got a 9mm lead injection instead.
>> 
>> http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150404/PC16/150409635/1177
>> 
>> Kleb could probably pick up the Benz cheap, and Wilton could get the rims,
>> yo.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] the "club"

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I looked up "babe magnet". 
At the end was the antonym:
Mercedes 240D, preferably China blue.
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> On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I looked up the definition of "chick magnet".  At the end was the antonym:
> Mercedes 300TD turbodiesel station wagon
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tonight I went through a drive through, and the young woman taking money
>> asked what year my rusty ol SDL is.  She said she thought it was an 87.  I
>> was impressed.  She only missed by a year, and the car is older than her.
>> I told her then asked if she liked Mercedes.  She said she did.  I told her
>> they are safe, and MB invented the crumple zone and patented it in 1951,
>> and started crash testing long before the US ever thought of it.   Hadta go
>> then because there was another car behind.
>> 
>> Must be spring...  I don't expect my rusty old beater to get positive
>> comments.   Especially not 2 on two days.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] the "club"

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Yeah, I've never seen a strut in a w123!

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>> I am so stuck in the 80s.  What will it take to get me into the front seat
>> of a newer car?
> 
> A crapload of money?
> 
>>> [123] dropped the double wishbone front end for
>>> the cheaper McPherson strut, and we all suffered,
> 
> Really?  I thought the strut showed up for 124/201.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] the "club"

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I find w123 ride quality to be superior to W124. W124 probably handles better 
though.

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> On Apr 3, 2015, at 12:32 AM, OK Don  wrote:
> 
> Both the 114/115 and the 124 handle/drive better than the 123. It was a low
> point in suspension design - they dropped the double wishbone front end for
> the cheaper McPherson strut, and we all suffered, until they figured out
> the rear end to compensate.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
>> 123 handling is awesome especially with GOFORM tires.
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Dwight Giles 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>  You are right about 124 handling. Mt 2.5t handles so well  &  i
>> get 28-30 mpg on it for
>>> my  300-500 commuting miles per week.
 On Apr 2, 2015 10:26 PM, "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 My 300D 2.5t is the best car i have ever owned in 50 years of cars.
>> Also
> better driver than any of the 123's I had/have.
> 
 
 123s are durable and comfortable, but the handling was 'merkunized and
>>> not as crisp as its predecessors.
 
 The 124 handles like a rocket on  rails.  Fun car, but not as
>> comfortable
 as 123 or 126.  In OM602 form, a very economical car.
 
 The 126 is comfortable and very good looking.  SDL is a wonderful car.
 
 Each one is great in its own right.  I am quite happy to have one or
>> more
 of each.
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
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> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] the "club"

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Why would you want to get into the front seat of a newer car?
Even the nicest ones bore me.

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> On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I am so stuck in the 80s.  What will it take to get me into the front seat
> of a newer car?
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:32 AM, OK Don  wrote:
>> 
>> Both the 114/115 and the 124 handle/drive better than the 123. It was a low
>> point in suspension design - they dropped the double wishbone front end for
>> the cheaper McPherson strut, and we all suffered, until they figured out
>> the rear end to compensate.
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 123 handling is awesome especially with GOFORM tires.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Dwight Giles 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
  You are right about 124 handling. Mt 2.5t handles so well  &  i
>>> get 28-30 mpg on it for
 my  300-500 commuting miles per week.
> On Apr 2, 2015 10:26 PM, "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My 300D 2.5t is the best car i have ever owned in 50 years of cars.
>>> Also
>> better driver than any of the 123's I had/have.
>> 
> 
> 123s are durable and comfortable, but the handling was 'merkunized
>> and
 not as crisp as its predecessors.
> 
> The 124 handles like a rocket on  rails.  Fun car, but not as
>>> comfortable
> as 123 or 126.  In OM602 form, a very economical car.
> 
> The 126 is comfortable and very good looking.  SDL is a wonderful
>> car.
> 
> Each one is great in its own right.  I am quite happy to have one or
>>> more
> of each.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> OK Don
>> 
>> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>> 
>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>> 
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>> 
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>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: non-Mercedes parking question

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You don't buy a Camry.

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> On Apr 3, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:
> 
> Though I suppose it could apply to recent Mercedes.
> 
> I am within a few months of trading the van out for something - Accord or
> Camry probably, by the numbers.  So I'm thinking about this, and I walk
> into the parking lot at the Wal-Mart, and I realize I have no idea how to
> find a particular generic car in a sea of generic cars.  I've always driven
> old or odd vehicles so it has never come up before - I just park, do my
> business, and can spot the car/van within a few moments of being outside.
> 
> So how does this work?  Do you get to where you can differentiate your
> silver Camry from the thirty other silver Camrys?  Painting the roof orange
> is probably not going to happen.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Missing email example

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Gee thanks;)

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> On Apr 2, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> DImitri's email address is highly spam-worthy.
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> 
>> Strange.
>> 
>> You are aware that recent fixes sorted out the "Reply to:" issue? Could
>> that be messing things up on your end?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Example: received Dan's reply, but not Dimitri's original.
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>> 
 On April 2, 2015 7:52:00 AM EDT, Dan Penoff  wrote:
 I'm confused.
 
 Rack and pinion is a totally different system than a recirculating ball
 steering gear.
 
 Are you suggesting that they would change the steering system from rack
 and pinion to recirculating ball (steering gear?)
 
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> On Apr 2, 2015, at 7:42 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> A friend in Greece has a 1988 Alfa spider 1600 with manual steering.
 The steering box is toast and rebuilt replacement boxes cost 1000 euro
 there. I could only find power steering boxes here and they are much
 cheaper. The car has rack and pinion steering, so would a power
 steering box work in place of a manual box? I know that the gearing is
 different in the recirculating ball system that MB uses but does that
 also apply to rack and pinion?
> Any ideas?
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Re: [MBZ] I *Think* I Bought a Car

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The heat fried their brains?:)

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> On Apr 2, 2015, at 8:33 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> 
> People in Florida are weirdos 
> 
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> 
>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> 
>> Strange, very strange...
>> 
>> I sent an email to the owner of the 1996 S320 I looked at last weekend:
>> 
>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4947867972.html
>> 
>> I thanked him for his time, told him what a nice car he had, then proceeded 
>> to lay out why spending $2500+ on a car for maintenance doesn't increase the 
>> value substantially. Then I made him an offer of $5500 and told him I would 
>> understand if he couldn't accept it.
>> 
>> So late last night he replies to my email:
>> 
>> "the recent repair bill from eurotech-automotive.com in Spring Hill Fla. 
>> (352) 597-2660 will be included for your records..Tom"
>> 
>> I'm assuming that's a "Yes"?
>> 
>> Confused Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Missing emails

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And same here.

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> On Apr 2, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> 
> I'm getting list emails quoting emails that I have not received.
> 
> Nothing in my spam folder on my phone.
> 
> What's my next step?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Any alfistas here?

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The car has rack and pinion steering but also has a steering gear box. I know 
nothing about rack and pinion.

I'm asking if a manual steering gearbox for a rack and pinion system can be 
interchanged with a power steering gearbox in a rack and pinion system.

I know that can't be done in a recirculating ball system due to different 
gearing. That's why I ask. 

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> On Apr 2, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> I'm confused.
> 
> Rack and pinion is a totally different system than a recirculating ball 
> steering gear.
> 
> Are you suggesting that they would change the steering system from rack and 
> pinion to recirculating ball (steering gear?)
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 7:42 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>> A friend in Greece has a 1988 Alfa spider 1600 with manual steering. The 
>> steering box is toast and rebuilt replacement boxes cost 1000 euro there. I 
>> could only find power steering boxes here and they are much cheaper. The car 
>> has rack and pinion steering, so would a power steering box work in place of 
>> a manual box? I know that the gearing is different in the recirculating ball 
>> system that MB uses but does that also apply to rack and pinion?
>> Any ideas?
>> 
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[MBZ] OT: Any alfistas here?

[dseretakis]

A friend in Greece has a 1988 Alfa spider 1600 with manual steering. The 
steering box is toast and rebuilt replacement boxes cost 1000 euro there. I 
could only find power steering boxes here and they are much cheaper. The car 
has rack and pinion steering, so would a power steering box work in place of a 
manual box? I know that the gearing is different in the recirculating ball 
system that MB uses but does that also apply to rack and pinion?
Any ideas?

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Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings

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Um they charge $150 per hr for labor in NYC??

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> On Mar 31, 2015, at 6:29 AM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> 
> I'll bite... $200.
> 
> $150/ hour, $20 for parts, $15 shop fees, tax
> 
> :)
> 
> It's NYC!
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
>> On Monday, March 30, 2015, Jon Agne  wrote:
>> 
>> While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose.
>> I stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about  it.
>> Next thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it
>> was, and that the 123 was the best design ever from MB.  Out of the shop in
>> 45 minutes with 2 new bushings and clips.
>> 
>> No Rattle or loose shifter.  Bravo Zulu.
>> 
>> Anyone care to guess the cost?
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> ’85 300D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Favorite Automotive Products Thread

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Fluid Film. Spray it on bare metal and it will not rust even when exposed to 
road salt spray. 

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> On Apr 1, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:
> 
> Dieselvolk,
> 
> Better than an oil thread!  I'd like to get a conversation going about our
> favorite automotive products.  I'll start off with a few of mine:
> 
> Boeshield T-9: "a multipurpose product that cleans, protects, penetrates,
> displaces moisture & more."  Created by Boeing, this is what should be used
> instead of WD-40 when you want to both clean and lubricate. I use it as a
> preservative coating on my sailboats outboard motor and other metals
> exposed to outdoor living.  Really nice stuff.  Next time I clean a car
> engine, I'm going to follow up with a T-9 coating to prevent corrosion.
> Safe to spray on just about everything.
> 
> Sonax Wheel Cleaner Full Effect or Wheel Cleaner Plus: "Wheel Cleaner
> PLUS...for
> fast and effective removal of stubborn brake dust and road grime. The
> powerful wheel cleaner is 30% stronger and works much faster than SONAX
> Wheel Cleaner Full Effect. PLUS sprays on clear and turns red almost
> instantly as it begins to work. Because it is acid-free, Wheel Cleaner PLUS
> is safe for use on all wheel types and will not damage or corrode wheel
> bolts."  I haven't tried the latest formula yet, I've used up three bottles
> of the Full Effect version.  This stuff does a really good job cleaning
> your wheels.  I always spray it on, scrub it in a little with a brush, and
> then rinse off after a few minutes.  My wheels only get this treatment
> occasionally, I suspect that if used more frequently, you would not have to
> scrub it in.
> 
> PB Blaster: Great stuff for loosening rusted hardware.  I know some of you
> like to mix your own blend of acetone and ATF, I don't have time for that
> and need something in a spray can, this stuff is readily available in the
> stores I frequent, so this is what I use.
> 
> Wheelskins: genuine leather steering wheel covers.  Nice high quality
> leather, look and feel great.  I've installed two, one in my '95 E300 and
> one in our Infiniti I30.  A couple years later both are holding up just
> fine.
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Re: [MBZ] ON THREAD: Shifter Bushings

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$50;)

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> On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> 
> While in NYC last week my shifter started rattling and became very loose.  I 
> stopped at a local indie in Queens to ask a question or two about  it.  Next 
> thing I knew, he had the car on the lift explaining how dangerous it was, and 
> that the 123 was the best design ever from MB.  Out of the shop in 45 minutes 
> with 2 new bushings and clips.
> 
> No Rattle or loose shifter.  Bravo Zulu.
> 
> Anyone care to guess the cost?
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Unimog value?

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Were there any issues getting it titled and registered?

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>> The one I'm looking at is a short wheelbase diesel model with a truck
>> bed.  They are asking 3800 euro. Yes it's in Europe.
> 
> My Mog was in yurp when I bought it.  Cost $3k to ship it to Tacoma,
> then.  RORO.  I imagine it is more now.  (Was $2k to New York.)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Jay Leno's Garage: "1955 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing Coupe - Ultimate Edition - Jay Le..."

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Yeah nice video. Would love to drive one someday:)

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> 
> Wow, that was quite a treat!  That engine has an awesome roar.  If only I 
> could have been in the passenger’s seat…
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Unimog value?

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It seems like a good deal but pics show the nose above the front bumper to be 
pretty beat up. Hard to evaluate a car from across the pond. Will have a friend 
check it out for me.

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>> There is a Mog group web page. My brother porn surfs there.
>>> On Mar 28, 2015 12:25 PM,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow.
>>> The one I'm looking at is a short wheelbase diesel model with a truck
>> bed. They are asking 3800 euro. Yes it's in Europe.
>> >
> 
> Buy it.  you can sell it here for 12-15 k at least I'd guess.  I don't keep 
> track of mog values, but I have seen what people as over the past 15 yrs or 
> so.
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Re: [MBZ] Unimog value?

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Wow.
The one I'm looking at is a short wheelbase diesel model with a truck bed. They 
are asking 3800 euro. Yes it's in Europe. 

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>> I think a lot would depend on the model. There are a lot of different 
>> configurations, especially when it comes to the beds.
> 
> I was offered $21k for my crane/winch/dump-bed diesel model
> a couple of years ago.
> 
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[MBZ] Unimog value?

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How much you all think a circa 1960'a running driving rust free unimog is worth?

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Re: [MBZ] O/T: Pious Pickup

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Ughh.

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> On Mar 27, 2015, at 6:59 PM, "Greg Fiorentino"  wrote:
> 
> I stopped off to do a little grocery shopping today and my eyes were
> assailed by this:
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c3o9369qj5c9n1z/AAASER6TnuG-MnTvvB7DVhi0a?dl=0
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes pickup

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I'd rather buy an old unimog if I need additional hauling rather than that 
Nissan turd.

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> On Mar 27, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I have a trailer hitch if I need to do additional hauling.
> 
> I know better than to question anything that Wilton says or does.  Don't
> want to jeopardize any future Attaboys.  ;)
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:03 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>> 
>> I give it zero points for usefulness and styling.
>> 
>> As we say in the country, it's "all hat and no horse".
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Randy Bennell 
>> wrote:
>> 
 On 27/03/2015 7:51 AM, David & Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes wrote:
 
 Here's something to hope comes to the USA.
 
> http://www.bild.de/auto/auto-news/daimler-ag/mercedes-
> bringt-pick-up-modell-in-kommenden-jahren-40324338.bild.html
> 
>  Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
>>> Cannot say the styling appeals to me.
>>> 
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[MBZ] Mercedes pick-up

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Yup the pick- up is a POS Nissan. MB is in a downward spiral through a long 
toilet drain.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/mercedes-benz-in-talks-with-nissan-to-jointly-develop-pickup-truck-1427463807

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes pickup

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You all know that's almost certainly a POS Nissan in Mercedes guise? 

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> On Mar 27, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> 
>> On 27/03/2015 7:51 AM, David & Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes wrote:
>> Here's something to hope comes to the USA.
>>> http://www.bild.de/auto/auto-news/daimler-ag/mercedes-bringt-pick-up-modell-in-kommenden-jahren-40324338.bild.html
>> Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
> 
> Cannot say the styling appeals to me.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] RIP Panzermeister

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That's sad to hear. Seemed to be a good guy based on the limited interaction I 
had with him.

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> On Mar 26, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Chuck had a winning 116 300SD he called the Panzerwagen.  That is the source 
> of the Panzer reference.
> 
> Today I paged to near the back of the current issue of the STAR. There is a 
> full page memorial to Chuck L.  That article does not appear to be online.
> 
> 
> From the Desert Stars Section: Jan 16, 2015
> It is a sad day as we have lost a dear member of our Desert Stars. Chuck 
> Landenberger, has passed away. Chuck was extremely active with the Desert 
> Stars and when he moved to Hawaii, helped restart that section.
> If anyone wishes to express their personal condolences, you may contact 
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Re: [MBZ] OT faucets

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I had a delta kitchen faucet corrode from the inside in just 6 yrs. total 
garbage. 

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> On Mar 23, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don't buy plumbing stuff at the box stores, it's invariably the worst 
> possible grade available.
> 
> Go to a standard pluming supply company, the one your local plumbers use.  
> Slightly higher prices, but vastly better stuff.
> 
> I need to do this myself, I grabbed a Delta from the box store last year 
> because the old one was leaking into the basement and it's a pain to get to 
> the plumber's supply from work (they close at 5).  I'm sorry I did, it's 
> flimsy and the temperature control is pretty much full hot or full cold, the 
> range where there is mixing is about 10% of the travel of the tap.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front

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I would guess that hundreds, if not thousands, of years worth of data would be 
necessary to be able to make sense of any significant weather patterns. 

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> On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have a
> problem, let alone convinced?  is it worth the risk pretending this problem
> is merely cyclical and will go away in, say, another 36 years?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:
>> 
>> Come on Andrew, do you read any of the stuff you post?
>> 
>> Lowest-ever wintertime level "since records began in 1979".  Wow.  36
>> years worth of data.
>> 
>> Typical low information voter response:  "OH NO, in 36 years we've NEVER
>> seen such low ice!!!
>> 
>> Quick, we've got to impose draconian costs on all Americans (especially
>> the poor and middle class) to drive up their basic energy costs to keep
>> their houses warm, cook food, and drive their cars to work.  THAT will work
>> FOR SURE"
>> 
>> Give me a break
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

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And selling them our oil doesn't help either.

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> On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of oil 
> consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as they are. 
> Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade them not to 
> pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 19/03/2015 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think there are 3 issues here that are getting muddled in all the chaff.  
>> First is whether the planet is warming up.  Second is what the cause of (1) 
>> might be if it is happening.  Third then is what to do about it.
>> 
>> 1) is probably true, overall, it has been happening for quite some time, at 
>> least since the last ice age.
>> 
>> 2) it makes some sense that putting stuff into the atmosphere (humans, 
>> volcanoes, cowfarts, etc.) probably has some effect on (1), but then there 
>> is old mister sun too, who has been around awhile
>> 
>> 3) what annoys a lot of "deniers" is that the schemes so far seem to involve 
>> raising taxes and shoveling lots of money to whack schemes, campaign donors, 
>> turd-world kleptocrats, and various other leeches, in addition to various 
>> alternative energy and behavior schemes that might or might not involve the 
>> previously-mentioned miscreants and a diminishment of personal freedoms.
>> 
>> I heard on the radio this morning that the esteemed president is going to 
>> announce something the gummint is going to do to reduce global warming 
>> emissions or something, this coming a few days after he and his lovely bride 
>> took separate big ol airplane rides out to California, to pretty much the 
>> same place at the same time, to be on 2 different TV shows.  Very Important 
>> Stuff.  Plus now she is over in Japan talking to school kids about Something 
>> Else Important no doubt, having taken the big ol airplane over again, and he 
>> has flown off again to do a campaign speech or fundraiser again or something 
>> equally important.  So, that sorta has an effect on my views on the matter...
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/19/15 10:25 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good 
>>> amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it 
>>> including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in 
>>> TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical 
>>> manipulation of data can skew results.
>>> I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own 
>>> eyes.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Starbucks is in NASCAR now?

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Starbux makes my heart race. Coffee too strong. Yuck.

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> 
> HA!  I can just picture Bubba asking Barista-Babe about "racing" and the
> interesting exchange that will follow.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

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I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good 
amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it 
including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in 
TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical 
manipulation of data can skew results.
I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own eyes.

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> On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:58:14 -0400 dseretakis--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If
>> I'm not experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is
>> warming. I was on board with global warming until recent weather
>> patterns have caused massive doubt in my mind.
> 
> Glad to see you are keeping your thinking cap on and aren't buying the
> Kool-Aid, Dimitri.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

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I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If I'm not 
experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is warming. 
I was on board with global warming until recent weather patterns have caused 
massive doubt in my mind.

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> On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> The data is being cooked in order to keep the billions of research dollars
> flowing for global warming / climate change / anthropogenic global
> warming.  Past temperature data has either been adjusted to make the past
> colder (which means we MUST be warmer now, right) or past data which
> "doesn't fit the models predictions" is conveniently deleted from the
> computations...
> 
> https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/temperature-adjustments-at-uscrn1-stations/
> 
> In case you've missed this in the past, here is a list of 1000 REAL
> scientists who disagree with the contention that CO2 is going to destroy
> the earth:
> 
> http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf
> 
> If you don't care to read all 321 pages of that report, here's just a
> sample of what is inside:
> 
> "Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia’s CSIRO’s
> (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of
> Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research,
> rejected
> man-made global warming fears in October 2009. Reid bluntly called the
> climate fear
> movement “a new religion that has grown out of secular humanism.” He
> explained that
> “Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing
> the new faith.”
> Reid explained: “My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a
> physicist who
> has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying science
> is. In effect
> the scientific method has been abandoned in this field. Back in the early
> 1990s when I
> was still working for the CSIRO and the early versions of the AGW theory
> started to gain
> currency, I was rather bemused by the passions which were aroused in my
> colleagues and
> the gullibility with which predictions of future climate disaster were
> accepted.” He
> added: “In effect a new religion has grown out of secular humanism. Global
> warming is
> the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the
> Resurrection is
> the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding
> to that of St Paul
> in proselytizing the new faith.  Meteorologists regularly test
> model ‘skill’. Climatologists don’t seem to have a concept of testing, and
> prefer to use the term
> ‘verification’ instead—that is, they do not seek to invalidate their
> models; they only seek supporting evidence.”
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Wood refinishing for zebrano console in my W123 300TD

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What's going on in this place? We are talking about strippers touching wood!

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> On Mar 18, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Heritage Woodworks. Wouldn't let anyone else touch my wood.
> 
> (Waiting for snarky comments)
> 
> Dan
> 
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>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I may have askeed this before, but am hoping for at least one on-point
>> response this time.
>> 
>> Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a wood refinisher?  I am unable to
>> dent the poly whatever finish on the console wood in my 300TD, using
>> several strippers.
>> 
>> I am now willing to pay to get this done.  Any recommendations?  Or if you
>> have first hand knowledge as a DIY project, I wil llisten.
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Wood refinishing for zebrano console in my W123 300TD

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Yes he is but doesn't the business live on?
Also, I hear Madera Concepts does exceptional work.

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> Too bad Drew is dead
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 18, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Bob via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> "I may have asked this before, but am hoping for at least one  on-point
>> response this time.
>> 
>> Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a  wood refinisher?  I am unable to
>> dent the poly whatever finish on the  console wood in my 300TD, using
>> several strippers.
>> 
>> I am now willing to  pay to get this done.  Any recommendations?  Or if you
>> have first  hand knowledge as a DIY project, I wil llisten."
>> 
>> My friend said he heated it up the wood finish & meticulously  scraped off 
>> the finish which IS impervious to stripping materials. Then he  sprayed 
>> many layers of shellac -Color won't match exactly.  The reason  for the 
>> shellac 
>> is that it's thin enough to not build up in the slotted  areas where you 
>> snap back the switches
>> 
>> I guess you can find a light stain since shellac will darken a little bit.  
>> I have to do mine soon but I got another one off fleabay years ago to  
>> "practice" on
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Wood refinishing for zebrano console in my W123 300TD

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Did you try the nasty stuff with methylene chloride?

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>  wrote:
> 
> I may have askeed this before, but am hoping for at least one on-point
> response this time.
> 
> Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a wood refinisher?  I am unable to
> dent the poly whatever finish on the console wood in my 300TD, using
> several strippers.
> 
> I am now willing to pay to get this done.  Any recommendations?  Or if you
> have first hand knowledge as a DIY project, I wil llisten.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog

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Then Andrew better stay in DC! ;)

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> On Mar 17, 2015, at 11:34 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Relocated animals seldom survive,
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 9:01 PM
>> To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog
>> 
>> Well, I lack the indignation to want to do it harm since the groundhog
> hasn't
>> wrecked my yard YET.  I'll trap and relocate it on county park land.
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> A pellet gun would do the job real well, be real quiet and won't be
>>> terribly dangerous in a small backyard.I popped a ground hog right in
>>> the head last summer, it didn't kill him but I rang his bell well
>>> enough that that he took off and hasn't come back. That was just a
>>> cheap 10 pump Crossman, effective range maybe 30-40 feet, anything
>>> beyond that its really slowing down, you can watch the pellet arch
> through
>> the air.
>>> I've got a B3 Chinese pellet gun thats a little more powerful than the
>>> Crossman and its a single pump which is nice. I need to work on the
>>> rear sight some and clean it up some so it makes more power. Dad gave
>>> it to me, he bought it at an auction for $16 so it is what it is. For
>>> $200 you can buy a really nice gun that'll fix ground hogs easy.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog
>>> 
 A large ground hog was spotted sunning him/herself on the patio just
 outside my dining room sliding door.  This is my first exposure to
 such an animal.  What should I do?  Will it dig up my foundation?
 Burrow under
>>> the
 deck?  Eat all the earthworms?  WTF.  I have a haveaheart trap but
 don't know what to bait it with.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 12 ga slug works incredibly well.  If placed right,  It will clean and
>>> gut it too.
>>> 20 Ga works well
>>> .22 is less likely to have the neighbors calling  the popos.
>>> 
>>> Bait the havahart with PB, apples, or greens of any sort.  Broccoli
>>> should work well.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog

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You have a very serious problem. A groundhog infestation. There is no fix for 
that I'm afraid. I will take your house off your hands for free. After all what 
are friends for? Hahaha!

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> On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Uh Oh!
> Call the Realtor.
> Get the For Sale sign on the lawn quickly before the house caves in.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 17/03/2015 2:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> Andrew,
>> They are group animals. If you have one, and a food source, you will soon
>> have more. They will burrow your entire yard is left alone., any crawl
>> space under your house will represent safe haven for their den exits.
>> 
>> Being ground animals, they collect the usual accumulation of things like
>> ticks and fleas, while their tunnels will weaken the substructure of your
>> foundation. When it rains, those tunnels provide a path for water which
>> then will soften the soil compaction under your foundations.. then crack
>> them as they shift...
>> 
>> Or.. you could call your local PETA people and ask them to come feed and
>> pet them for you.. your choice...
>> 
>> Trap, and eliminate, would be the prudent choice, in my opinion.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

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Your head is cracked. Send it to me and I'll fix it after Curt's! Hahahaha
I'm such a good friend!

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> On Mar 16, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am thinking there is a hairline crack in the filler tank neck but not
> clear if that would allow so much coolant to escape
> 
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:13:18 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Oil is normal level.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Probably a good time to check the oil...
>> 
>> Having it checked for the presence of coolant or exhaust would be an easy
>> way to get some piece of mind.
>> 
>> Before our '82 240D was converted to a 240D/3.0, it had problems with
>> coolant level dropping. It turned out to be a pinhole in the side of the
>> radiator that leaked slowly when it was hot. Leaking only when hot, so
>> the leakage evaporated, and being on the side, where one could not see
>> it, both contributed to the difficulty of finding the problem. It finally
>> went away when I changed the radiator to a 300D radiator.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD

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Your car needs a new engine. I'll take it off your hands for free;)

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> 
> As you all know, my 1983 300TD had a heating issue couipled with low
> coolant levels.  When I replenished the coolant the heating system resumed
> mnormal operations.
> 
> This weekend, I checked the aux. filler tank and it was shockingly low
> again.  There is no puddle under the car, so the loss of coolant is
> associated with vehicle operation.  WTF?!  There is a slight wetness at the
> tank filler neck, and the exhaust appears normal (although I am not one to
> look for trouble).
> 
> I swapped out the radiator cap for a new one I had lying around.  If that
> doesn't work I have a new tank I could install as well.   Ideas on how to
> trouble shoot this nagging issue if the problem persists?
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Re: [MBZ] Okie Acres Car Hauler

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And wasn't Curt looking for the engine out of one of those for some alpine 
mobile.

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> 
> Jump on this, Kaleb:
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/2015/03/15/cool-hauler-1976-mercedes-1116-rollback/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Urgently Needed: Viton(?) Injector Return Line

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Mercedessource might have them.

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> On Mar 10, 2015, at 10:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Someone on the list mentioned getting some tubing for injector return
> lines from McMaster-Carr, IIRC. I also recall that it worked out well.
> 
> Since our '82 240D/3.0 is again our main driver, I have found that the
> return lines are weeping rather badly. And since my lungs have recently
> been insulted by something Shirley used to do some hand washing, I need
> to fix the return lines so their leaks don't continue to exacerbate my
> problems.
> 
> What did you buy?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] BMW carpet set

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Thanks. It's good fun!

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> Impressive!  Keep up the good work!
> 
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>> 
>> http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=22025.0
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Re: [MBZ] BMW carpet set

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Yes I learned a bunch from the Internet but practiced a whole lot on my GF's 
home machine. I then practiced sewing in circles and curves on the industrial 
machine. Tricky thing is controlling the speed on industrial machines fitted 
with the old fashioned clutch style motors like mine. I could fit it with a 
servo motor which is what is used now but I really didn't see the point. With a 
few hours of practice I tamed it!

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> 
> I have a machine my uncle had, he got it from the shoe factory that closed in 
> the town where he lived.  it is similar to that one you have, I don't 
> remember the brand, it might be a Singer.  THe whole set up weighs about 
> 300lb.
> 
> I need to learn how to set it up and use it.  Did you do your learnings on 
> the tubernets?
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> 
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[MBZ] BMW carpet set

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I'm sewing one up. Check it out here:

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Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.

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10,000 years ago we were 1 mile deep in ice. That all melted. Perhaps the 
melting is still going on progressing now to the ice caps? 



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> On Mar 6, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> If Boston were having another mild winter and the polar regions were frigid
> as usual, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  The concern is that
> warming of the polar regions is causing the ice caps to melt and sea level
> to relentlessly rise, all because of growing CO2 emissions from industrial
> sources world wide.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>> New England has had a cold winter with lots of snow, the pacific northwest
>> has had a very warm winter and much of Minnesota has had essentially no
>> snow. Last year while we had the "polar vortex" it was one of the warmest
>> winters on record for much of the rest of the world.
>> Also remember the year before that we had zero snow from November (after
>> the Halloween storm) until March.
>> Actually even last year we didn't have any snow until the blizzard the
>> first week of February.
>> Snowmobilers tend to remember snow patterns...
>> -Curt
>>  From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>> To: "arche...@embarqmail.com" ; Mercedes
>> Discussion List 
>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 3:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
>> 
>> I'm no climatologist, but in light of the past couple of winters, I simply
>> cannot buy global warming.
>> Nobody is going to convince me that red is green or that cold is hot.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Mar 5, 2015, at 7:04 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The “brutal” winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy
>> snow to the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep south
>> including Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By March 4,
>> Boston was just 2 inches away from hitting an all-time record for snow,
>> Boston.com reported.
>>> 
>>> It’s a reality more in keeping with media warnings from the 1970s than
>> today’s arguments about global warming.
>>> 
>>> Then, CBS anchor Walter Cronkite, the dean of American journalism, was
>> warning about an "ice age." Cronkite cited scientific claims that the Earth
>> was cooling and "the full extent of the new ice age won't be reached for
>> 10,000 years."
>>> 
>>> That's completely different from the media's line today that global
>> warming is settled sciencesnip
>> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2015/03/05/and-thats-way-it-was-1972-cronkite-warned-new-ice-age
>>> 
>>> Makes sense, doesn't it?
>>> Gerry
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I'm no climatologist, but in light of the past couple of winters, I simply 
cannot buy global warming. 
Nobody is going to convince me that red is green or that cold is hot. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 5, 2015, at 7:04 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The “brutal” winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy snow to 
> the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep south including 
> Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By March 4, Boston was just 
> 2 inches away from hitting an all-time record for snow, Boston.com reported.
> 
> It’s a reality more in keeping with media warnings from the 1970s than 
> today’s arguments about global warming. 
> 
> Then, CBS anchor Walter Cronkite, the dean of American journalism, was 
> warning about an "ice age." Cronkite cited scientific claims that the Earth 
> was cooling and "the full extent of the new ice age won't be reached for 
> 10,000 years." 
> 
> That's completely different from the media's line today that global warming 
> is settled sciencesnip
> 
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2015/03/05/and-thats-way-it-was-1972-cronkite-warned-new-ice-age
> 
> Makes sense, doesn't it?
> Gerry
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Facts

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

So you were a party animal.

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> On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have tinnitus in both ears as well, but it's not so bad that it prevents me 
> from hearing - more like a nuisance thing in the background.
> 
> Not a lot you can do for it, so I understand.  I suspect mine is due to 
> exposure to high noise levels when I was younger...
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dan wrote:
>> 
>>> Since you brought it up
>> 
>>> I have had partial hearing loss in >my left ear since I was a child, due 
>>> >mainly to some really nasty inner >ear infections I had.
>> 
>> ‎I don't feel all alone anymore.  
>> Someone on this very list suggested a Lyric hearing aid. I may try one soon. 
>> In going to have to do something. 
>> 
>> Rick 
>> Who has hearing loss in his right ear, and tinnitus in both. 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

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I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than 
alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me.

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> On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> War on Addiction?
> Pot is going to get legalized little by little and good on it, I can't see 
> how its any worse than alcohol. Stuff like crack and heroin I've got a 
> different attitude to but still we need to fight the addiction not the drug.
> Kid gets picked up for a little pot, if he's black he goes to jail which 
> basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes 
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
> 
> Dan,
> I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called "war 
> on drugs." I've been saying for decades that the "war on drugs" has been lost 
> and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on 
> locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to fund their habits, 
> making drug cartels rich, etc., we need to at least investigate some other 
> possible ways to control drug use. Just as the attempt at alcohol prohibition 
> didn't stop the use of alcohol but enabled the growth of organized crime 
> syndicates, the "war on drugs" has enabled the growth of even more powerful 
> drug cartels. I've never used drugs and haven't even tried a marijuana 
> cigarette but can see the futility of the path we've been on since LBJ.
> Addison
> 
> 
> On Mar 4, 2015, Dan Penoff wrote:
> 
> From: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts
> Date: March 4, 2015 2:27:37 PM PST
> To: Mercedes List 
> 
> 
> I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other 
> day on his show that I thought was pretty astute:
> 
> http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners
> 
> We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for 
> stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that 
> matter, the "drug war".  It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's 
> dollars but of human resources as well.
> 
> Just my $0.02.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Not the guns yet, but the bullets now.  The Apostate has a pen and a phone!
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants
>>> to Confiscate Your Guns.  You're getting soft!
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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I guess there is no hurry. It's obvious that problem is getting worse as hoses 
get pressurized but I guess I can leave rad cap loose. 

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> On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why is there a hurry to do more work?
> If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no
> heating problem, why not leave it?  Thermostat being blocked open
> isn't a terrible thing, is it?  A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as
> an oil leak, is it?  Run it as is and watch things closely.  You drove
> it to Maine and back, no problem.  It drives around town today, why
> not leave things as they are?  Is there a hurry to fix?  When you have
> mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon.
> But with performance as it stands now, drive it?
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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I'm thinking that diagnosis is important. How do I know the leak isn't stemming 
from the block? The head really did look ok. 
Perhaps I take the head off and ask machine shop to check. That way  I can know 
for sure head is at fault. If that's confirmed then I can have them prepare the 
other head I got at ChowdahQ.

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> On Mar 3, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The head that is on it now is the head that was on it when Dwight's brother 
> got it years ago. It has a replacement head gasket.
> 4 of us looked over the head carefully checking for cracks, bumps and 
> imperfections, Fred checked it for flatness and pronounced it okay. The same 
> for the block.
> -Curt
>  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
> To: Fred Moir ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> Thoughts:
> 
> I recall, this car had the head replaced before?  Or was it just the
> head gasket?
> 
> On removal of the head, I would inspect carefully for any evidence of
> cavitation, with a weep hole in a cylinder wall, block crack, or other
> leak path, while the head is being checked.
> 
> Open once.. check twice..
> 
>> On 3/3/15, Fred Moir via Mercedes  wrote:
>> Dimitri.WARNING.
>> This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered
>> to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to
>> torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the
>> later ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 point bolts
>> are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block
>> threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you
>> matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV.
>> 
>> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>> 
>>> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500
>>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd:  Overheating 240D more info
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with
>>>> 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
>>>> Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came
>>>> with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on
>>>> old engine.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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The head bolts on the car are not 12 point. They are the old hex head style. 
According to the shop manual, I must use same style bolts that came with engine 
so it appears I must re-use them. My question is whether I can use them with a 
newer head- the one I got at ChowdahQ 2014 which I believe came from a car that 
took 12 point bolts.


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> On Mar 3, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dimitri.WARNING.
> This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered to 
> accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to torque 
> to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the later 
> ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 point bolts are 
> within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block threads 
> thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you matched 
> the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV.
> 
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> 
>> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500
>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd:  Overheating 240D more info
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 
>>> point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
>>> Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with 
>>> such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old 
>>> engine.
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Re: [MBZ] this CL ad is mine

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And I had cousins and an aunt in Athens, GA. Furthermore, I was born in Athens, 
Greece.

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> On Mar 3, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My-now dimitri's - 240D came from athens. PO was university employee.
> On Mar 3, 2015 10:15 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've been to a commencement ceremony at U of GA in Athens.  Quite a bucolic
>> area.  Drove through some violent thunderstorms from Atlanta to get
>> there.
>> 
>> Mecedes content:  We were in a 1985 300CD.   Trunk was a swimming pool
>> afterwards, which was solved by replacing the TL lens gaskets
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I see at least two projects, put the 123 stick shift wagon drive train
>>> into the least rusty sedan body, then combine the good 240D cars to make
>> a
>>> nice driver with stick shift.
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>> 
>>> On March 3, 2015 3:23:35 AM EST, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/cto/4912896586.html
 
 we have too many cars
 
 massive 123 sell off of mostly rusty cars
 
 some are mine and some belong to friends
 
 
 thanks,
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Any thoughts?

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 
> point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
> Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with 
> such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> Good thing you have another head...
>> 
>> Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

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M104 in a w123 with a 5 speed sounds like a very interesting project!
Hey wait a minute, I thought you were Mr. Originality!!

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> The M104 is a wonderful engine.  I had one for years in my 95 E320 wagon.
> Smooth and powerful when you wind it out.  I always thought it would make
> an awesome engine to swap into something else.
> 
> Oddly enough, I have an opportunity to buy my old wagon back for cheap, now
> the the current teenage own is done smashing it into things.  I'm kinda
> tempted to buy it back, part it out, and put the engine in a W123 with a 5
> speed.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone familiar with the inline six?
>> 
>> I may go to Orlando tomorrow to look at this car.
>> 
>> 1999 S320, approximately 180,000 miles, one owner Florida car.  Dealer and
>> indie maintained, most service records. Everything works, cosmetics look
>> good, too.
>> 
>> I realize the S320 won't have all the bells and whistles of an S500, but
>> that's not a big deal to me. If anything, I'm most concerned about the
>> engine, as I know nothing about how this vintage inline six.
>> 
>> Anybody here familiar with them? Pitfalls? Things to look for?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 point 
head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with such 
bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine.

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Good thing you have another head...
> 
> Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Ok ya'll. Car had pressurized hoses this am. Took it for a short spin in town, 
temp remained cool. Popped hood, remove rad cap, revved engine and for the 
first time ever- bubbles in coolant! Yay, actually, CRAP! In my opinion car has 
a head issue!

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:45 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and 
>> cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the 
>> cap loose it wasn't a problem.
>> -Curt
>> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>  
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>> 
>> You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
>>> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
>>> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just 
>>> consumed some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was 
>>> off it would fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like 
>>> that until it needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth 
>>> it...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
>>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>  
>>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
>>> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I 
>>>> used it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of 
>>>> my MB wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
>>>> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps 
>>>> on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC 
>>>> I became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 
>>>> 10 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. 
>>>> Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have 
>>>> flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the 
>>>> stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff 
>>>> out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, 
>>>> the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace 
>>>> it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that 
>>>> time to fix it myself...
>>>> -Curt
>>>>  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>>>>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
>>>>>> To: G Mann 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
>>>>>> coolant system.
>>>> 
>>>> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
>>>> 
>>>> RB
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Yup toadass suck. 

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On Mar 2, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Well, I think we need to wait a bit.
>> My Mercedes is 39 years old.
>> Let us see how the Prius is at that age.
>> My experience with the Toyotas that I have owned has not been great.
>> 2 of them rusted away and the 3rd one committed suicide before I managed to 
>> fix all of the other known faults.
>> 
>> RB
> 
> Friends don't let friends drive toadas.  Fireball deathtraps.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil?

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and 
> cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the 
> cap loose it wasn't a problem.
> -Curt
>  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
>> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
>> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed 
>> some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would 
>> fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it 
>> needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>  
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>> 
>> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
>>> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
>>> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
>>> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps 
>>> on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
>>> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
>>> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. 
>>> Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have 
>>> flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the 
>>> stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff 
>>> out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, 
>>> the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace 
>>> it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that 
>>> time to fix it myself...
>>> -Curt
>>>   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
>>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
>>>>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>>>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
>>>>> To: G Mann 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
>>>>> coolant system.
>>> 
>>> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed 
> some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would 
> fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it 
> needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
>> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
>> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
>> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on 
>> giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
>> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
>> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then 
>> when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the 
>> system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I 
>> managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never 
>> clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket 
>> was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't 
>> have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it 
>> myself...
>> -Curt
>>   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>> 
>>>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
>>>> To: G Mann 
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>>>> 
>>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
>>>> coolant system.
>> 
>> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on 
> giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then 
> when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the 
> system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I 
> managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never 
> clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket 
> was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't 
> have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it 
> myself...
> -Curt
>  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
>>> To: G Mann 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
>>> coolant system.
> 
> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
> 
> RB
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT "Global warming" (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Tell me about it. As I write this I'm headed to buy ten gallons of kerosene to 
keep the oil tank from running out till I get my next delivery. $1000 per month 
this winter in oil.

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> 
> Every morning when I wake up, I look out the window to check Dimitri’s 
> chimney.  If his house were a steam locomotive, it’d be moving down the 
> tracks at 90mph!
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:41 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh shut it! :)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Should I mention that we had to turn on the AC today?
>>> 
>>> Guess not
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:30:48 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> The 400 gallons of propane that I have will be burned in the grill . . .
>>>> 
>>>> Too bad I use charcoal.
>>>> My goal was to get the tank under 50 gallons without running out this 
>>>> winter.
>>>> December/January were so cold that I panicked a bit and used the air-air 
>>>> heat pump too much.
>>>> When January ended I bumped raised the switchover temp to 30° to get rid 
>>>> of some LP, burned more of it in February than in Nov-Dec-Jan combined. 
>>>> Probably ran the heat pump less than 50 hours all month. I should just set 
>>>> the switchover temp to 20 or 25 and manually turn on aux heat when I want 
>>>> a quick recovery from overnight setback.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> mitch
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT "Global warming" (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Oh shut it! :)

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> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Should I mention that we had to turn on the AC today?
> 
> Guess not
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:30:48 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
 The 400 gallons of propane that I have will be burned in the grill . . .
>> 
>> Too bad I use charcoal.
>> My goal was to get the tank under 50 gallons without running out this winter.
>> December/January were so cold that I panicked a bit and used the air-air 
>> heat pump too much.
>> When January ended I bumped raised the switchover temp to 30° to get rid of 
>> some LP, burned more of it in February than in Nov-Dec-Jan combined. 
>> Probably ran the heat pump less than 50 hours all month. I should just set 
>> the switchover temp to 20 or 25 and manually turn on aux heat when I want a 
>> quick recovery from overnight setback.
>> 
>> 
>> mitch
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I can see why you hate it now.

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> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> 
> I've used it twice and blocked two thermostats, the second one leading to a 
> bad head gasket in my wagon. Never more.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Why do you hate it?

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> If it was done it was before I got the car. I hate that stuff..
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[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:45:40 PM EST
> To: OK Don 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
> 
> That was my impression as well.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:59 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought that a pressurized system in the AM is the result of a cracked 
>> head or leaking head gasket.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat  and no 
>>> overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the 
>>> mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses 
>>> were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed 
>>> radiator cap. There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing 
>>> cover sealed by a rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps 
>>> coolant leaking because system pressurized?
>>> I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
> To: G Mann 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
> 
> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant 
> system.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 3:59 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>> 
>> Were the car mine, I would be very interested in why the system is still 
>> pressurized after setting overnight.. 
>> 
>> Dead cold cooling systems should not have pressure, so , to me, it speaks of 
>> combustion air incursion into the cooling system and likely, serious over 
>> pressure somehow.. although, the radiator cap should vent anything above the 
>> rated pressure... further concern, to me.. 
>> 
>> Cooling system pressure test would be my next step.. certainly.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:53 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat  and no 
>>> overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the 
>>> mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses 
>>> were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed 
>>> radiator cap. There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing 
>>> cover sealed by a rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps 
>>> coolant leaking because system pressurized?
>>> I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:09 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer 
>>> > project!
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric
>>> >>> acid flush.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to
>>> >>> find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical
>>> >>> grade).  Dissolve in a gallon of water.  Empty cooling system,
>>> >>> including draining the block through the drain valve or plug.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above
>>> >> freezing ...
>>> >>
>>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

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It lost some coolant but could be from known area around tstat housing cover.

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> On Mar 1, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What’s the coolant level?
> 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Pressurized hoses on a cold engine is not a good sign. This is typical of a
>> head problem. 
>> 
>> If it is more convenient, you can "borrow" a cooling system pressure tester
>> from most FLAPS for free.  Actually, they charge it to your credit card when
>> you get it and refund to your card when you return it.  I found this tool so
>> useful (when I had old cars) that I bought one.
>> 
>> On the positive side, if you are weeping coolant could explain how an air
>> bubble can get into the system and prevents circulation.  
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 1:53 PM
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure
>>> tested.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

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So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat  and no 
overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the 
mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses were 
moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed radiator cap. 
There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing cover sealed by a 
rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps coolant leaking because 
system pressurized? 
I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested.
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> On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:09 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer project!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric  
>>> acid flush.
>>> 
>>> You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to  
>>> find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical  
>>> grade).  Dissolve in a gallon of water.  Empty cooling system,  
>>> including draining the block through the drain valve or plug.
>> 
>> I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above
>> freezing ...
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML

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Wow 450 torque! Must be a blast!

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> On Feb 28, 2015, at 11:15 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Went with wifey and bought a 2012 ML V-6 bluejuice turbodizzel this 
> afternoon. Somewhat unpleasant experience dealing with the stealer. They 
> tried twice to stick me with the $650 "documentation fee" and we finally 
> walked out, the salesdroid chased us into the parking lot, finally they 
> caved. Then I made him throw in some roof racks for pissing me off and 
> wasting our time with their jerkaround.  Whole deal took 4 hr to come to 
> agreement, though we did also take 2 GLs out for a spin. go back tomorrow to 
> finalize.   Their whole process is not geared to "buying" more to "shopping". 
>  The salesdroid kept trying to run the script, that got old fast.  I clued my 
> wife into the game, and she is less tolerant of that kind of stuff than I am, 
> so she played her role well. 
> 
> 30k miles, they put new tires on it, rear pads and rotors replaced, front 
> pads >50% which is kinda weird (stability control?). CPO adds another year of 
> warranty, bought another 2 yrs, unlimited miles so 4.5yr altogether.
> 
> This thing is a rocket, huge torque, very quiet. Easy to get to felonious 
> speeds very quickly accelerating from 60. Has like 450 ftlb torque. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

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Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer project!

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> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric  
>> acid flush.
>> 
>> You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to  
>> find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical  
>> grade).  Dissolve in a gallon of water.  Empty cooling system,  
>> including draining the block through the drain valve or plug.
> 
> I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above
> freezing ...
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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I blocked off the entire radiator this morning and drove to Maine. It took a 
while but the car reached normal operating temp- a tad bit above the 175 F 
mark. Halfway through the trip, I pulled over at the Kennebunkport service area 
and pulled some of the cardboard back to 50% coverage. I did this because I 
still had a good 1hr plus to go and didn't want to push my luck. The car 
started cooling down to just a tad above the 100F mark. 
Other than that the car drove like a dream. Even hit 80 mph! Didn't think 
theses old boys could do that.

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> On Feb 28, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That & the manual cold idle knob. I miss my old 240D's.
> On Feb 28, 2015 9:05 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> I also thought the button was kind of cool and a good anti-theft device,
>> especially since its way over on the other side of the console.
>> I think I've still got all the pieces to convert it back to stock...
>> -Curt
>>  From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 11:06 PM
>> Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>>> Date: February 27, 2015 at 11:00:28 PM EST
>>> To: Dwight Giles 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
>>> I think the gp push button is kind of cool.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Dwight Giles 
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Actually the PO before my brotherr bought it put in that GP button.
>> When the relay was bad my Indy offered to taje it back to stock, i said no
>> leave the button.  Nostalgia for me. My first car- a 49 Pontiac had a
>> starter button on the dash. I liked that you could hold it down as long as
>> you thought was needed.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 27, 2015 6:08 PM, "dseretakis--- via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young
>> thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to
>> glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to
>> a push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> I love that “like I stole it” phrase!  Just imagining it a 240D is
>> rather amusing……
>>>>>> Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it
>> hard would likely go unnoticed by most folks?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RB
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[MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Date: February 28, 2015 at 1:40:46 PM EST
> To: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> Yeah like F*CK YOU PRIUS! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You should write a whimsical message on the cardboard blocking the radiator 
>> to be read by drivers of the cars you are following.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> The thermostat housing looked pretty good.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems.
>>> > The plates don't seat right.  If the bypass channel couldn't
>>> > be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least
>>> > resistance, then it could overheat then.
>>> >
>>> > Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for
>>> > corrosion or damage?
>>> >
>>> > -- Jim
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[MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Begin forwarded message:

> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Date: February 27, 2015 at 11:00:28 PM EST
> To: Dwight Giles 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> I think the gp push button is kind of cool.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually the PO before my brotherr bought it put in that GP button. When the 
>> relay was bad my Indy offered to taje it back to stock, i said no leave the 
>> button.  Nostalgia for me. My first car- a 49 Pontiac had a starter button 
>> on the dash. I liked that you could hold it down as long as you thought was 
>> needed.
>> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2015 6:08 PM, "dseretakis--- via Mercedes" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young 
>>> thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to 
>>> glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to 
>>> a push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
>>> >> I love that “like I stole it” phrase!  Just imagining it a 240D is 
>>> >> rather amusing……
>>> > Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard 
>>> > would likely go unnoticed by most folks?
>>> >
>>> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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The thermostat housing looked pretty good.

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> On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems.
> The plates don't seat right.  If the bypass channel couldn't
> be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least
> resistance, then it could overheat then.
> 
> Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for
> corrosion or damage?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Oops. Sorry for assuming that you did it! 

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> On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I retro fit nothing, it came that way. I put replacement glowplugs in and 
> upped the size of the wires to them which made a big difference in cold 
> starting the car...
> -Curt 
>  From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
> To: Randy Bennell ; Mercedes Discussion List 
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> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young 
> thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to 
> glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a 
> push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I love that “like I stole it” phrase!  Just imagining it a 240D is rather 
>>> amusing……
>> Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would 
>> likely go unnoticed by most folks?
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] limited slip rear end for w126 cars

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The 560SEL definitely had it. Not sure if standard equipment or as an option.

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> On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes 
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> 
> Hello  Does anyone on the list have access to which w126 cars may have come 
> with limited slip rear ends (posi).
> 
> I have the idea that some of the big body gas cars may have been equiped with 
> a limited slip rear end.  Which ones would have a similar gear ratio to what 
> the sdl came with?  How to identify the limited slip rear end?  Thanks Ron 
> Courcy
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young thieves 
today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to glow the car 
-Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a push button on 
the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that!

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> On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> 
>> On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
>> I love that “like I stole it” phrase!  Just imagining it a 240D is rather 
>> amusing……
> Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would 
> likely go unnoticed by most folks?
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Today I blocked about 1/2 the radiator with a piece of cardboard. I then drove 
the car for 25 miles on city and suburban roads. The temp gauge read cold -no 
more than a hair above the 100 degree Fahrenheit mark at its warmest.

I might get daring and drive it up to Maine tomorrow.

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> On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh. I like it!
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> So, how about a new theory - or at least an extension of an existing theory?
> 
> With the thermostat blocked open, there is constant flow of coolant so 
> whatever is loose in the engine and occasionally blocking the flow is 
> being held in place by the flow.
> When the thermostat was operating normally and thus opening and closing 
> as the temperature of the coolant rose and fell, the flow would increase 
> or decrease. That permitted whatever loose item is inside the engine to 
> shift around and cause trougle.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 26/02/2015 5:16 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>>> Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST
>>> To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
>>> I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a 
>>> total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 
>>> 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with 
>>> no exceptions. Very interesting.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the 
>>>> car has had 3 bad thermostats.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone 
>>>>> to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill?
>>>>> 
>>>>> BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge 
>>>>> reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will 
>>>>> not budge.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Recovering a Leather Steering Wheel

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Sounds like a fun project. I'm dabbling in the car upholstery world myself. 
Sewing leather is very satisfying.


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> 
> True, but at least it will give me a rough idea of the size and shape of the 
> material. Much better than having to "wing it".
> 
> I was thinking about how easy it might be to add some bumps for finger grips 
> and suchmaybe some small pieces of leather glued inside, or some foam
> 
> Dan
> 
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>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 7:51 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>> The pattern made from the old piece with not be very accurate as it will be 
>> bulged and stretched. It will only give you a general idea
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but since the steering wheel in 
>>> question has wood segments, I won't have to cover the whole thing, just 
>>> three relatively small areas at 9:00, 3:00 and 6:00 o'clock, extending in 
>>> to the area around the air bag.
>>> 
>>> Again, I plan on using a seam ripper to carefully deconstruct the existing 
>>> leather so I have a pattern for each piece. Hopefully, that will make the 
>>> replacement pieces easier to lay out and install.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:49 PM, G Mann  wrote:
 
 Glad to help. With a bit of care and effort you can produce a perfect 
 wheel cover that will be a good as the $300+ job.
 
 I forgot to mention.. on the hem seam.. use a straight edge [I used a 
 metal yard stick ] and mark the "fold to" line on the inside surface of 
 the strip. It will help give you a sharp uniform finish on the final 
 product. Lead pencil line worked for me.
 
 From my experience, most Tandy stores are Owner Operated under the 
 franchise name, so some will have smaller pieces , so do not.. Also.. it 
 will depend on your choice of leathers.. If you are doing the wheel in 
 "baby seal" or "extinct condor " chances are you will have to buy the 
 whole hide.. ;))
 
 The "strip to make the hoop" will be about 6" X 50" [adjusted to your 
 particular wheel]
 
 If you wish, you can add things like increased hand grip areas by laying 
 in additional layers of leather or closed cell foam. Again, simple white 
 glue will suffice to hold those in place until install.. Don't use much.. 
 just a dab spread thinly will do the job.  When you dampen the leather on 
 install, the glue will soften and allow a bit of slip to stretch the 
 single layer leather which will "define" the increased width areas .. 
 Again.. take you time.
 
 And.. don't forget .. pictures to show off your progress and finished 
 product... 
 
 Can't do an "Attaboy" without pictures.. ;))
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Re: [MBZ] Recovering a Leather Steering Wheel

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The pattern made from the old piece with not be very accurate as it will be 
bulged and stretched. It will only give you a general idea

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> On Feb 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but since the steering wheel in question 
> has wood segments, I won't have to cover the whole thing, just three 
> relatively small areas at 9:00, 3:00 and 6:00 o'clock, extending in to the 
> area around the air bag.
> 
> Again, I plan on using a seam ripper to carefully deconstruct the existing 
> leather so I have a pattern for each piece. Hopefully, that will make the 
> replacement pieces easier to lay out and install.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:49 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>> 
>> Glad to help. With a bit of care and effort you can produce a perfect wheel 
>> cover that will be a good as the $300+ job.
>> 
>> I forgot to mention.. on the hem seam.. use a straight edge [I used a metal 
>> yard stick ] and mark the "fold to" line on the inside surface of the strip. 
>> It will help give you a sharp uniform finish on the final product. Lead 
>> pencil line worked for me.
>> 
>> From my experience, most Tandy stores are Owner Operated under the franchise 
>> name, so some will have smaller pieces , so do not.. Also.. it will depend 
>> on your choice of leathers.. If you are doing the wheel in "baby seal" or 
>> "extinct condor " chances are you will have to buy the whole hide.. ;))
>> 
>> The "strip to make the hoop" will be about 6" X 50" [adjusted to your 
>> particular wheel]
>> 
>> If you wish, you can add things like increased hand grip areas by laying in 
>> additional layers of leather or closed cell foam. Again, simple white glue 
>> will suffice to hold those in place until install.. Don't use much.. just a 
>> dab spread thinly will do the job.  When you dampen the leather on install, 
>> the glue will soften and allow a bit of slip to stretch the single layer 
>> leather which will "define" the increased width areas .. Again.. take you 
>> time.
>> 
>> And.. don't forget .. pictures to show off your progress and finished 
>> product... 
>> 
>> Can't do an "Attaboy" without pictures.. ;))
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Believe me, I won't get my hopes up! This car is possessed!

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> On Feb 26, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Be patient.  It's been an intermittent thing so you want to be sure this is
> the problem.  Partially blocking the radiator is a good idea.  It will help
> achieve a more normal engine temp as well as make the problem visible
> sooner, if it recurs.  Good luck with this.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  dseretakis--- via Mercedes
>> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:16 PM
> ...
>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>>> Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST
>>> To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
>>> I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for
> a total of
>> 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 75mph
> highway
>> travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no exceptions.
>> Very interesting.
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

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That would be really weird!  I need to test car for a few more days to confirm.

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> On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 3 bad thermostats at least?
> On Feb 26, 2015 4:42 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>>> On 26/02/2015 2:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> On the one hand I hope this fixes the issue because I'd like to see it
>>> fixed. On the other hand I really hope this isn't it...
>>> 
>>> Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, if this did "fix" it, then the verdict would be a bad thermostat??
>> 
>> RB
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[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

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Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST
> To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
> 
> I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a 
> total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 
> 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no 
> exceptions. Very interesting.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the 
>> car has had 3 bad thermostats.
>> 
>> 
>>> So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to 
>>> normal like that by engine breaking down a hill?
>>> 
>>> BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads 
>>> stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

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So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to 
normal like that by engine breaking down a hill?

BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads 
stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge.

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> On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> gassers control combustion by a flapper in the air intake, controlling 
> airflow into the cyl.  Diesels run at full air flow all the time, combustion 
> is controlled with fuel.  In effect coasting downhill, the fuel is shut off, 
> no heat occurrs and the cylinders are washed with lotsa cool air.  nothing to 
> generate heat, cept friction.
> 
> 
> 
>> Still not sure I understand why engine braking  especially down hill would 
>> lower temps dramatically.
>> Perhaps it causes an air bubble to dislodge?
>> 
>> Anyway, I just forced the tstat open with a piece of brass tubing. Let's see 
>> what that does.
>> 
>> If I get no answers, I will take car to radiator shop. They said they will 
>> pressure test cooling system and also look for head leaks. About $100 for 
>> that service.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:33 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> dseretakis--- wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill
>>>> would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once
>>>> I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it
>>>> did that?
>>> 
>>> At idle, most diesel engines produce very little heat.  With the
>>> engine forced to turn and pump cold air through it, what little
>>> heat the burning fuel made is carried out the tail pipe.
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Still not sure I understand why engine braking  especially down hill would 
lower temps dramatically.
Perhaps it causes an air bubble to dislodge?

Anyway, I just forced the tstat open with a piece of brass tubing. Let's see 
what that does.

If I get no answers, I will take car to radiator shop. They said they will 
pressure test cooling system and also look for head leaks. About $100 for that 
service. 
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On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:33 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> dseretakis--- wrote:
>> 
>> Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill
>> would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once
>> I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it
>> did that?
> 
> At idle, most diesel engines produce very little heat.  With the
> engine forced to turn and pump cold air through it, what little
> heat the burning fuel made is carried out the tail pipe.
> 
> So - no heat being generated means no heat for the cooling system
> to carry away - so no problem!
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Yup, it's NOT fixed. I drove the piss out of it today and it was fine. The 
lower rad hose started warming up indicating coolant circulation. No 
overheating. Then went to a friend's house and on way back it started again, 
temp rising, no heat, the usual. It was a 7 mile trip back home that required 
pulling over four times to let it cool down enough to start driving again. 
Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill would bring the 
temps from almost in the red to normal, but once I started accelerating the 
temp would rise again. Wonder why it did that?
Anyway, I plan on blocking open the thermostat first thing in the am.

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> On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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>> On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> ‎dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote
>> 
>>> No overheating. Heat working >fine.
>>> Popped hood when arrived home, >felt lower radiator hose and it was >stone 
>>> cold.
>> Sounds like problem solved to me.
>> The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine 
>> cooling system is working as designed.
>> 
>> Rick
> 
> I would not bet on that given the history.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I have one in ME but not with me here in MA. 

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> On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the 
> engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of 
> information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator.
> 
> Dan
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>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>>> ‎dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote
>>> 
 No overheating. Heat working >fine.
 Popped hood when arrived home, >felt lower radiator hose and it was >stone 
 cold.
>>> Sounds like problem solved to me.
>>> The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine 
>>> cooling system is working as designed.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>> 
>> I would not bet on that given the history.
>> 
>> RB
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