Re: [MBZ] Breaking up is hard to do...
Randy Bennell writes: > So, how do his rates compare with the bigger shops / dealers? > > I know of someone here who works out of a big garage behind his > house. I won't say his rates are cheap but they are a lot less than > the local dealers on an hourly basis. It's been a while since I've actually had him do anything for me actually. He rates are higher than a franchise shop like Firestone, but probably a bit less than a domestic dealer. There are no Mercedes dealers anywhere near me so I don't know how he compares to them at all. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > Sounds like your radio is back-feeding power from the > clock circuit to the keyed circuit. Is this a stock radio? Yes, Becker Grand Prix. My son casually mentioned that he thinks I have another one "just like it", so perhaps we will find it this weekend and I can try it. I need to clean up the parts shelf, and the kids need to clean up the rest of the house... :) Thanks, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 23/06/2011 6:11 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Randy Bennell writes: There are good people out there. It just is a bit hard to find them. Often times it is a case of "you get what you pay for." There is a local Mercedes indy in my town. He is excellent, but not cheap. He is a one-man shop (his wife does books and answers the phone). When I've taken my car there for the occasional job that I was just to busy to get to myself, I've felt the hit in my checking account but never had to return to have anything re-done and never felt it was anything other than top-notch workmanship. That's worth paying for, IMO. Allan So, how do his rates compare with the bigger shops / dealers? I know of someone here who works out of a big garage behind his house. I won't say his rates are cheap but they are a lot less than the local dealers on an hourly basis. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds like your radio is back-feeding power from the clock circuit to the keyed circuit. Is this a stock radio? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: > any of his guys is doing. Never had to take anything back. I'm a firm > believer in you get what you pay for. Unfortunately, I've been paying premium city prices for kids with spanners. Hence the frustration. :/ If I thought the dealer would do a better job I'd take it there - prices are not much higher, rates for good independents here are $80-100/estimated hour plus 200% parts markup - but the first time I was at the MBZ dealer they rudely refused to do what I wanted (specifically, order a key) and so I determined not to go back. Thanks to Rusty, I haven't had to, yet. Will definitely check out Angie's list, and I will take Roger's advice on the oil changes - that does seem like a good nonthreatening way to get to know a mechanic. I tend to only go when there is a specific something I don't want to do, so it's doubly frustrating when I end up having to do it anyway. At least if they mess up an oil change it's obvious and easy to fix, usually. :) Thanks! -Tim probably going to keep the gremlin and disable the antenna, I kind of liked it today; like the dome light, it gave me a nice warm "the battery is alive" feeling when I opened the door ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A while back on this list, a number of people gave me a hard time because I expected a mechanic to use my parts if I wanted. When I needed a rebuilt AT I bought one from Rusty and not only was my local indie wiling to install it but my dealer would have as well - which surprised me a bit. LarryT 91 300D - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Breaking up is hard to do... Tim, I'm glad you're not mad at me. I guess I've been lucky with my old MBs. I've found two sets of Indies that have worked on my cars and they will install my parts when I ask. Both sets worked for the local MB dealerships here in the Atlanta area before opening their own shops and more importantly, both sets are older so they know my old MBs (617s). When I was first looking for an Indie, I would take one of my cars to their shop (had to be a small shop too) and let them do an oil service. I would watch how they checked the rest of the car and then listen as they told me what I might want to have fixed in the near future, etc. I passed on a couple because they just ran through the oil service, did a very brief look at the rest of the car, and gave no suggestions for things to keep an eye on or consider bringing back for repair. I don't go to the dealerships here in the Atlanta area as they no longer have any older mechanics that know how to work on the old 617s. The last time my wife took her 80 300SD to the dealership (about 5 yrs ago), it almost stopped the whole shop as almost all of the mechanics came over to take a look at the engine, etc. as they never see one. Sometimes we just have to do some deep investigation of our own before turning our vehicles over to someone for work. Fortunately, my 2001 Dodge Ram hasn't needed anything except oil changes (which I do) since I purchased it used 7 yrs. ago. Now, if I could just get that 5.9 to give me some decent gas mileage. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have the best Indie in the world. He's alway cheaper than the dealer but he ain't cheap. He let's me stand out in the shop and watch whatever he or any of his guys is doing. Never had to take anything back. I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for. No thing is better than the warm fuzzy you get from having a good wrench. Bob R On Jun 23, 2011 4:12 PM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > Randy Bennell writes: > >> There are good people out there. It just is a bit hard to find them. > > Often times it is a case of "you get what you pay for." There is a > local Mercedes indy in my town. He is excellent, but not cheap. He is > a one-man shop (his wife does books and answers the phone). When I've > taken my car there for the occasional job that I was just to busy to get > to myself, I've felt the hit in my checking account but never had to > return to have anything re-done and never felt it was anything other > than top-notch workmanship. That's worth paying for, IMO. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tim, I'm glad you're not mad at me. I guess I've been lucky with my old MBs. I've found two sets of Indies that have worked on my cars and they will install my parts when I ask. Both sets worked for the local MB dealerships here in the Atlanta area before opening their own shops and more importantly, both sets are older so they know my old MBs (617s). When I was first looking for an Indie, I would take one of my cars to their shop (had to be a small shop too) and let them do an oil service. I would watch how they checked the rest of the car and then listen as they told me what I might want to have fixed in the near future, etc. I passed on a couple because they just ran through the oil service, did a very brief look at the rest of the car, and gave no suggestions for things to keep an eye on or consider bringing back for repair. I don't go to the dealerships here in the Atlanta area as they no longer have any older mechanics that know how to work on the old 617s. The last time my wife took her 80 300SD to the dealership (about 5 yrs ago), it almost stopped the whole shop as almost all of the mechanics came over to take a look at the engine, etc. as they never see one. Sometimes we just have to do some deep investigation of our own before turning our vehicles over to someone for work. Fortunately, my 2001 Dodge Ram hasn't needed anything except oil changes (which I do) since I purchased it used 7 yrs. ago. Now, if I could just get that 5.9 to give me some decent gas mileage. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy Bennell writes: > There are good people out there. It just is a bit hard to find them. Often times it is a case of "you get what you pay for." There is a local Mercedes indy in my town. He is excellent, but not cheap. He is a one-man shop (his wife does books and answers the phone). When I've taken my car there for the occasional job that I was just to busy to get to myself, I've felt the hit in my checking account but never had to return to have anything re-done and never felt it was anything other than top-notch workmanship. That's worth paying for, IMO. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Two words: Angie's List I have yet to be disappointed with the products and/or services I have received from an Angie's List supplier. For $25/year, it's money well spent in my humble opinion. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > On 23/06/2011 1:22 PM, Tim C wrote: >> >> Unfortunately I've yet to find a good Indie (or dealer for that >> matter) within 30 minutes' drive, everyone around here seems to employ >> monkeys who just break things, charge me $500, and then annoy me until >> I get fed up and redo the job myself. (Every single thing beyond oil >> has cost $500. It is really strange.) I think all the good mechanics >> have gone into management, or quit to start their own shops and -then- >> gone into management. > > > Or, they have been beaten down by management and owners. My younger son is a > licenced mechanic working in a shop owned by someone else. > He just shakes his head at what he is told to do sometimes, but they don't, > in most cases, want his opinion if he does not agree. He sometimes has to > bite his tongue and do what he has been instructed to do even when he knows > it is going to be a problem that comes back. > Makes it difficult to take pride in one's work. > >> Once a garage called me back to see how my visit was; > > I had this too, from a body shop that repaired my Suburban years ago. They > were really into the whole customer appreciation thing. Too bad they had not > been into proper fixing of vehicles. When I picked up the truck the manager, > or whatever he was, took me out and showed me the truck and instructed me to > notice that it was clean in and out. The front bumper was crooked and there > was still a small crease in the leading edge of the hood that they had not > attended to. This was on an insurance claim where they were no doubt charging > to do a good job. I commented on these things and he essentially brushed me > off. I got a bit annoyed but told him that I could fix the bumper myself if > they were not able to figure out how. He told me Chevy's are like that. I > said, all you need to do is grind the bolt holes a bit elongated and all will > be well from a visual point of view. I don't think he understood what I meant. > > A week or so later I got a call from the shop on a followup basis. When she > asked if I was happy, I told her that I had expressed my unhappiness when I > picked up the vehicle and asked why she thought I should now be happy since > they had not offered to correct the deficiencies. She was dumbstruck. > Needless to say, I have not been back there or told anyone else anything but > my bad opinon of them. >> Anyway, I am becoming used to the idea that the local mechanics* are >> idiots, frauds, and/or have no idea how a car without a computer might >> work, and that if I want a job done I have to put the car out of >> service and do it myself (usually twice the first time), versus paying >> for someone to do it wrong and then having to redo it myself anyway. >> It is hardly worth my time driving all around the region, filing BBB >> complaints, etc., when I can just do it the fix properly - eventually >> - and have done with it, in the comfort of my driveway and without >> having to schedule SWMBO to transport the kids and/or rearrange work. >> > I agree that the best way is to do it yourself if it is within your > abilities. Sometimes it is just not really possible to do things at home. A > few years back I had to have the clutch replaced in the F150 that my younger > son was driving. He was still in school so not yet working in the shops. It > was winter and the slave cylinder went out. We could not leave it like that > or we would ruin the transmission and it was not really a job to do without a > hoist etc. It cost an arm and a leg and was never quite the same afterwards > but they did a good competant job so far as I can say. They used and > aftermarket clutch kit and that was likely why it felt different afterwards. > > > There are good people out there. It just is a bit hard to find them. I think > you need to give them a reason to treat you well too. I belong to 2 different > business clubs. If I get work done at the shops who are members of the club, > they appear to bend over to ensure I am happy. They don't want me to say > anything bad about them at the club. The whole idea is to generate referrals > and obviously they want people like me to send other customers to them. Even > if you are not in that situation, I suggest you hint strongly that you can > send work their way if you are happy with their service and then do your best > to actually get them some work if you are happy with them. Nothing like a bit > of incentive. > > Randy > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or chang
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On 23/06/2011 1:22 PM, Tim C wrote: Unfortunately I've yet to find a good Indie (or dealer for that matter) within 30 minutes' drive, everyone around here seems to employ monkeys who just break things, charge me $500, and then annoy me until I get fed up and redo the job myself. (Every single thing beyond oil has cost $500. It is really strange.) I think all the good mechanics have gone into management, or quit to start their own shops and -then- gone into management. Or, they have been beaten down by management and owners. My younger son is a licenced mechanic working in a shop owned by someone else. He just shakes his head at what he is told to do sometimes, but they don't, in most cases, want his opinion if he does not agree. He sometimes has to bite his tongue and do what he has been instructed to do even when he knows it is going to be a problem that comes back. Makes it difficult to take pride in one's work. Once a garage called me back to see how my visit was; I had this too, from a body shop that repaired my Suburban years ago. They were really into the whole customer appreciation thing. Too bad they had not been into proper fixing of vehicles. When I picked up the truck the manager, or whatever he was, took me out and showed me the truck and instructed me to notice that it was clean in and out. The front bumper was crooked and there was still a small crease in the leading edge of the hood that they had not attended to. This was on an insurance claim where they were no doubt charging to do a good job. I commented on these things and he essentially brushed me off. I got a bit annoyed but told him that I could fix the bumper myself if they were not able to figure out how. He told me Chevy's are like that. I said, all you need to do is grind the bolt holes a bit elongated and all will be well from a visual point of view. I don't think he understood what I meant. A week or so later I got a call from the shop on a followup basis. When she asked if I was happy, I told her that I had expressed my unhappiness when I picked up the vehicle and asked why she thought I should now be happy since they had not offered to correct the deficiencies. She was dumbstruck. Needless to say, I have not been back there or told anyone else anything but my bad opinon of them. Anyway, I am becoming used to the idea that the local mechanics* are idiots, frauds, and/or have no idea how a car without a computer might work, and that if I want a job done I have to put the car out of service and do it myself (usually twice the first time), versus paying for someone to do it wrong and then having to redo it myself anyway. It is hardly worth my time driving all around the region, filing BBB complaints, etc., when I can just do it the fix properly - eventually - and have done with it, in the comfort of my driveway and without having to schedule SWMBO to transport the kids and/or rearrange work. I agree that the best way is to do it yourself if it is within your abilities. Sometimes it is just not really possible to do things at home. A few years back I had to have the clutch replaced in the F150 that my younger son was driving. He was still in school so not yet working in the shops. It was winter and the slave cylinder went out. We could not leave it like that or we would ruin the transmission and it was not really a job to do without a hoist etc. It cost an arm and a leg and was never quite the same afterwards but they did a good competant job so far as I can say. They used and aftermarket clutch kit and that was likely why it felt different afterwards. There are good people out there. It just is a bit hard to find them. I think you need to give them a reason to treat you well too. I belong to 2 different business clubs. If I get work done at the shops who are members of the club, they appear to bend over to ensure I am happy. They don't want me to say anything bad about them at the club. The whole idea is to generate referrals and obviously they want people like me to send other customers to them. Even if you are not in that situation, I suggest you hint strongly that you can send work their way if you are happy with their service and then do your best to actually get them some work if you are happy with them. Nothing like a bit of incentive. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:31 PM, wrote: > Tim, > Sorry for your specific problems, but once again a list member has added > entertainment to my day. I know a lot of you guys like to do things yourself > (save money, improve self-esteem, more macho, etc.) and I'm always waiting > for the "it worked fine, but now". Yes, I'm older and lazier as I used to > work on my cars a lot when I was younger, but now I leave things to my Indie. > So, when he tells me "it worked fine, but now...", he has to find the gremlin and fix it. Plus, he has all of the manuals and training to know where to look. Well, this was an aftermarket addition, so I don't know if your Indie would approve. :) Unfortunately I've yet to find a good Indie (or dealer for that matter) within 30 minutes' drive, everyone around here seems to employ monkeys who just break things, charge me $500, and then annoy me until I get fed up and redo the job myself. (Every single thing beyond oil has cost $500. It is really strange.) I think all the good mechanics have gone into management, or quit to start their own shops and -then- gone into management. Once a garage called me back to see how my visit was; I said, "you overfilled the transmission by several quarts." The woman acted annoyed, but had the shop manager call me back. "How do you know it was overfilled?" "I used the dipstick at idle, like the manual says." "Oh." Then he hung up, didn't answer calls henceforth, never heard back from woman either. And this is one of the most reputable shops in the area. I wound up topsiding the excess out, it wasn't hard just annoying. The "alignment" where the car steers to the left and has a newly-loose steering wheel was a different shop (also one of the better ones) but at least they got the brakes right. I hope. Not even getting into work I have had done on the Ford, which fortunately has been all maintenance. [Yes, I did pay $500 for the visit where they used an impact wrench on my drain plug, but that was a dealer. The oil changes alone at the dealer are only $60, what a deal.] Anyway, I am becoming used to the idea that the local mechanics* are idiots, frauds, and/or have no idea how a car without a computer might work, and that if I want a job done I have to put the car out of service and do it myself (usually twice the first time), versus paying for someone to do it wrong and then having to redo it myself anyway. It is hardly worth my time driving all around the region, filing BBB complaints, etc., when I can just do it the fix properly - eventually - and have done with it, in the comfort of my driveway and without having to schedule SWMBO to transport the kids and/or rearrange work. One day I'll probably get tired of it, buy a commodity car, and let it get trashed over 100K. Then sell it to the junkyard and buy a new one. Like every Chrysler owner. Welcome back Snook. :) *It occurs to me that I've never had problems with the tire departments at Sam's. Maybe they have hired away all the good mechanics? > Anyway, I hope all is well or gets well, but you've provided my days > entertainment. Glad to be of service. I figure, if my radio comes on when I open the door, and you are amused, then at least one of us has a radio. > Thanks and good luck and best wishes, You too. Sincerely on that last bit, at least, -Tim knows Wilton has an indie in Raleigh, but that's almost 45 minutes one way so I reserve him for hard tasks... in other words, haven't gotten there yet, but every time I go to someone local for this stupid easy maintenance junk, and they mess it up, I wish I had... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Breaking up is hard to do...
Tim, Sorry for your specific problems, but once again a list member has added entertainment to my day. I know a lot of you guys like to do things yourself (save money, improve self-esteem, more macho, etc.) and I'm always waiting for the "it worked fine, but now". Yes, I'm older and lazier as I used to work on my cars a lot when I was younger, but now I leave things to my Indie. So, when he tells me "it worked fine, but now...", he has to find the gremlin and fix it. Plus, he has all of the manuals and training to know where to look. Anyway, I hope all is well or gets well, but you've provided my days entertainment. Thanks and good luck and best wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tim, I can't say for sure, but if I didn't know any better, I'd say the Powers of the Universe are aligning in a giant, coordinated effort to ... get you to quit smoking! :) Tom Schuch 1975 W115 300D and all those BMWs Message: 16 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:49:10 -0400 From: Tim C To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Breaking up is hard to do... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The other day, I thought how great it would be to put a lighter (excuse me, power socket) in the HVAC control unit of the SDL. I cut out a hole, put in the lighter, snapped in the interconnects to the hazard light. Put it into the console. Plugged in a thing, it powered up. Next day, I plugged the thing in again, and it was tight so I jiggled it in a little... and the radio went off. Obvious fuse, windows and blower motor still work so it is just a nice quiet ride. When I get to work I pull out control panel, realize there is a big metal bracket behind my lighter, and it must have grounded out. Put on a shielded connector, so the problem is solved; remind self to buy more red fuses from Rusty when I place my next order (which will be soon anyway). Next day, replace fuse for radio and drive to work. Radio and hazard light are good, but now windows [not sunroof] are dead. That afternoon I replace the window etc. power fuse. On the way home it seems everything works: wipers, radio, seat settings, lighter, etc. Happy driver me. Then I open my door, and the radio comes on, along with the SRS light. I close the door. It turns off. I open the door and turn off the radio. A second later the SRS light goes off. If I have the radio on when I open the door, the SRS light turns on, and stays on as long as the radio is on; if I do not, it does not. Aside from SRS and the radio [and antenna going up and down with radio power] I can't tell anything different than it used to be. Thus I was introduced to my gremlin. Now, how do I make him go away? Did I fry a ground? The radio? The ignition switch? Will it do any damage, as long as I unplug power to the antenna? Thanks for any suggestions, -Tim who is considering leaving it as a deterrent to the random folks who rifle my car at night ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Breaking up is hard to do...
The other day, I thought how great it would be to put a lighter (excuse me, power socket) in the HVAC control unit of the SDL. I cut out a hole, put in the lighter, snapped in the interconnects to the hazard light. Put it into the console. Plugged in a thing, it powered up. Next day, I plugged the thing in again, and it was tight so I jiggled it in a little... and the radio went off. Obvious fuse, windows and blower motor still work so it is just a nice quiet ride. When I get to work I pull out control panel, realize there is a big metal bracket behind my lighter, and it must have grounded out. Put on a shielded connector, so the problem is solved; remind self to buy more red fuses from Rusty when I place my next order (which will be soon anyway). Next day, replace fuse for radio and drive to work. Radio and hazard light are good, but now windows [not sunroof] are dead. That afternoon I replace the window etc. power fuse. On the way home it seems everything works: wipers, radio, seat settings, lighter, etc. Happy driver me. Then I open my door, and the radio comes on, along with the SRS light. I close the door. It turns off. I open the door and turn off the radio. A second later the SRS light goes off. If I have the radio on when I open the door, the SRS light turns on, and stays on as long as the radio is on; if I do not, it does not. Aside from SRS and the radio [and antenna going up and down with radio power] I can't tell anything different than it used to be. Thus I was introduced to my gremlin. Now, how do I make him go away? Did I fry a ground? The radio? The ignition switch? Will it do any damage, as long as I unplug power to the antenna? Thanks for any suggestions, -Tim who is considering leaving it as a deterrent to the random folks who rifle my car at night ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
