Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon maybe FS
> Oh my goodness, the Chicken Wagon. Have not heard mention for it in a long > time. I thought it was long gone. No, still here. I paid to have the B2 piston job done, but that was right around the time my dad got sick, before he passed. Got very busy for a time, and the car simply dropped off my radar. It hasn't been driven since I picked it up in 2018. > Run it up the FB W123 group flagpole and see how many of those clowns come > sniffing. I should, my wife's on FB. But the guy who sold my son his E320 has expressed interest. Originally in the 190D my son drove up in, but I'm not ready to let that one go yet. But the CW? Loved the car, and it worked well, but its time with me might be past. My wife would LOVE to see another car go. (Or ten.) I'm going to let him have first shot at it. I did a quick survey, and prices are all over the map. I'm thinking that a running, driving example can't be going for less than $3k these days, no matter how tired looking. I have a crack-free dash for it hanging in the garage. Other parts too. I already let the 300CD go a few years ago. The CW is the last W123 here. >> Why is it a "wagon" and not a chicken limo? Because it sounded stupider to me at the time. Do recall that it was purchased as a parts car. But its engine cleaned out so well with a tiny bit of TLC that I simply couldn't bear to part it out. The plan had been to trailer it home, in 2002, but I ended up driving it the 220 miles instead. It runs well, still. I just brought it up out of storage to wash and vacuum it. The battery was weak, could barely crank after a glow, but after only a few revs it fired right up. Gd car! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon maybe FS
Oh my goodness, the Chicken Wagon. Have not heard mention for it in a long time. I thought it was long gone. Run it up the FB W123 group flagpole and see how many of those clowns come sniffing. AZBob Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Why is it a "wagon" and not a chicken limo? > >> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 10:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> They are going for stupid money these days. The 123 fakebook group boys >> are paying a lot for turds and thinking they are getting a great deal. >> Must be the times but it is interesting the younger guys are getting >> into them. Might want to try floating it on there and see what kind of >> interest you get. >> >> --FT >> >>> On 9/5/23 10:26 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >>> Somebody's maybe interested in purchasing the Chicken Wagon, our >>> venerable 1983 300D. We haven't driven it in years, it might be time >>> to let it go. What's one of these worth these days? Cosmetically >>> challenged, but sound. >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> -- >> --FT >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon maybe FS
Why is it a "wagon" and not a chicken limo? On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 10:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > They are going for stupid money these days. The 123 fakebook group boys > are paying a lot for turds and thinking they are getting a great deal. > Must be the times but it is interesting the younger guys are getting > into them. Might want to try floating it on there and see what kind of > interest you get. > > --FT > > On 9/5/23 10:26 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > > Somebody's maybe interested in purchasing the Chicken Wagon, our > > venerable 1983 300D. We haven't driven it in years, it might be time > > to let it go. What's one of these worth these days? Cosmetically > > challenged, but sound. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon maybe FS
They are going for stupid money these days. The 123 fakebook group boys are paying a lot for turds and thinking they are getting a great deal. Must be the times but it is interesting the younger guys are getting into them. Might want to try floating it on there and see what kind of interest you get. --FT On 9/5/23 10:26 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: Somebody's maybe interested in purchasing the Chicken Wagon, our venerable 1983 300D. We haven't driven it in years, it might be time to let it go. What's one of these worth these days? Cosmetically challenged, but sound. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken Wagon maybe FS
Somebody's maybe interested in purchasing the Chicken Wagon, our venerable 1983 300D. We haven't driven it in years, it might be time to let it go. What's one of these worth these days? Cosmetically challenged, but sound. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken Wagon weldery
The Chicken Wagon's muffler fell off on a speed bump Tuesday. It'd been cracked at the pipe, probably from when it went into the ditch, and finally let loose, I'd put it into the trunk. (At least the turbocharger is itself a nearly-adequate muffler and there's a center resonator, the car doesn't sound too bad this way.) At home I looked at the muffler and it looked like it broke off at the joint where I'd (gas) welded it on in the first place many years ago. That weld was very poor, and didn't penetrate properly. I thought it'd go back on just fine after cleaning it up, and this time I'll use the wire-feed. Saturday I backed the car outside and up onto ramps, wire-brushed and ground the muffler end clean(er), and dropped the pipe from the car. I brushed the pipe clean and found that there were some erosion holes along the top outside bend near the broken joint, so I had to clean that up more, find a scrap piece of muffler pipe, cut a patch for this area, and weld it on. (The rest of the pipe looked great.) That took a fair bit of time, so once I had it welded on I broke for breakfast. After breakfast I hung the muffler and pipe back in place, first using the handheld bandsaw to align the joint better, and tack welded the joint along the bottom, then I dropped it all back down from the car to weld over the top, then hung it back up permanently and finished the job. I used my $50 Hobart gasless wire-feed welder, it's portable. The job was not made more pleasant by the light drizzle that was falling the whole time. Jill drove off later, and said it was back to normal. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon weldery
'Nother ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon weldery The Chicken Wagon's muffler fell off on a speed bump Tuesday. It'd been cracked at the pipe, probably from when it went into the ditch, and finally let loose, I'd put it into the trunk. (At least the turbocharger is itself a nearly-adequate muffler and there's a center resonator, the car doesn't sound too bad this way.) At home I looked at the muffler and it looked like it broke off at the joint where I'd (gas) welded it on in the first place many years ago. That weld was very poor, and didn't penetrate properly. I thought it'd go back on just fine after cleaning it up, and this time I'll use the wire-feed. Saturday I backed the car outside and up onto ramps, wire-brushed and ground the muffler end clean(er), and dropped the pipe from the car. I brushed the pipe clean and found that there were some erosion holes along the top outside bend near the broken joint, so I had to clean that up more, find a scrap piece of muffler pipe, cut a patch for this area, and weld it on. (The rest of the pipe looked great.) That took a fair bit of time, so once I had it welded on I broke for breakfast. After breakfast I hung the muffler and pipe back in place, first using the handheld bandsaw to align the joint better, and tack welded the joint along the bottom, then I dropped it all back down from the car to weld over the top, then hung it back up permanently and finished the job. I used my $50 Hobart gasless wire-feed welder, it's portable. The job was not made more pleasant by the light drizzle that was falling the whole time. Jill drove off later, and said it was back to normal. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
One wonders why you call it a wagon... 'cause Chicken Sedan sounds stupid. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Jim Cathey wrote: One wonders why you call it a wagon... 'cause Chicken Sedan sounds stupid. But if it were a 300CD, Chicken Coupe would sound better. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Und das IST ein Wagen, nicht var? Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon One wonders why you call it a wagon... 'cause Chicken Sedan sounds stupid. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
One wonders why you call it a wagon... On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Jim, it would help if you included the official MB model number in addition to the term chicken wagon, for the benefit of those who don't know or (like me) have forgotten. It's a 1983 300D. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Jill's been having persistent starting troubles on the Chicken Wagon, but all the GP's are (now) good. It cranks just fine, but won't start. Intermittently, according to her. To me it sounds like the GP's just aren't doing their job well. Today I had a chance to dig into it a little bit. I started by cleaning the relay connections and putting Caig Deoxit on them. I pulled the big fuse and it was good, but I still cleaned it off with a little wire brush and put it back together with Deoxit. I pulled the relay and took it to the bench, but it seemed to behave well there. (Interestingly, if the big fuse is not there the relay will buzz loudly after it times out, I wonder if that is deliberate? I'll look into that further later, it may be one of the system's self-diagnostic traits.) Back on the car I checked the GP current, it started out at a peak of 130A and dropped down to about 50A steady-state. The GP's, however, were only getting at most 10V on them. I measured 0.2V drop on ground side of battery to the engine block, which was good. Between the battery positive post to the relay power post I measured a 2V drop while the GP's were on, that's terrible! She had to go so I didn't get to dig into it further, but I imagine that either the feed end of the power wire to the relay is corroded or loose, or else the wire itself has been damaged somehow. I checked the ETM and found that C105 is where this wire supposedly originates, and that this is the three-terminal power block right next to the battery. I'd already loosened and tightened its three screws, and sprayed Deoxit on them, as part of what I'd first done, but nothing more. Next time. The car started beautifully, of course, but I'd had the block heater on while I was working on it, and of course the glow plugs had gotten run a fair bit while sleuthing. (The battery charger was on it all the time, to replenish the losses.) And it was parked inside. I _expected_ no trouble this time. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Jim, it would help if you included the official MB model number in addition to the term chicken wagon, for the benefit of those who don't know or (like me) have forgotten. Incidentally, I called Roadside a couple times when my previous 1983 300TD wouldn't start at all despite glowing and cranking. The tech diagnosed the same exact problem, that was solved by loosening (also known as loosing or losing) and retightening the screws and cleaning the terminals. On 12/23/11, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Jill's been having persistent starting troubles on the Chicken Wagon, but all the GP's are (now) good. It cranks just fine, but won't start. Intermittently, according to her. To me it sounds like the GP's just aren't doing their job well. Today I had a chance to dig into it a little bit. I started by cleaning the relay connections and putting Caig Deoxit on them. I pulled the big fuse and it was good, but I still cleaned it off with a little wire brush and put it back together with Deoxit. I pulled the relay and took it to the bench, but it seemed to behave well there. (Interestingly, if the big fuse is not there the relay will buzz loudly after it times out, I wonder if that is deliberate? I'll look into that further later, it may be one of the system's self-diagnostic traits.) Back on the car I checked the GP current, it started out at a peak of 130A and dropped down to about 50A steady-state. The GP's, however, were only getting at most 10V on them. I measured 0.2V drop on ground side of battery to the engine block, which was good. Between the battery positive post to the relay power post I measured a 2V drop while the GP's were on, that's terrible! She had to go so I didn't get to dig into it further, but I imagine that either the feed end of the power wire to the relay is corroded or loose, or else the wire itself has been damaged somehow. I checked the ETM and found that C105 is where this wire supposedly originates, and that this is the three-terminal power block right next to the battery. I'd already loosened and tightened its three screws, and sprayed Deoxit on them, as part of what I'd first done, but nothing more. Next time. The car started beautifully, of course, but I'd had the block heater on while I was working on it, and of course the glow plugs had gotten run a fair bit while sleuthing. (The battery charger was on it all the time, to replenish the losses.) And it was parked inside. I _expected_ no trouble this time. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:00:15 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The GP's, however, were only getting at most 10V on them. I measured 0.2V drop on ground side of battery to the engine block, which was good. Between the battery positive post to the relay power post I measured a 2V drop while the GP's were on, that's terrible! We seem to have a lot of talk about glow plugs recently. I wonder why! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Cooler temps? ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:00:15 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The GP's, however, were only getting at most 10V on them. I measured 0.2V drop on ground side of battery to the engine block, which was good. Between the battery positive post to the relay power post I measured a 2V drop while the GP's were on, that's terrible! We seem to have a lot of talk about glow plugs recently. I wonder why! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:38:37 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: We seem to have a lot of talk about glow plugs recently. I wonder why! :-) Cooler temps? ;)) Yeah, that might have something to do with it! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Jim, it would help if you included the official MB model number in addition to the term chicken wagon, for the benefit of those who don't know or (like me) have forgotten. It's a 1983 300D. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
Sounds like he's learning on your car. The guy who did the glass on my 124 was very quick, but then again my car doesn't have a gasket, just a very large bead of urethane. The good news is that you don't have any rust to deal with. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 1:38:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility Windshield day! The guy showed up and we moved the car into the garage and out of the wind/rain. He brought new Pilkington glass and a Precision (brand) gasket. The new gasket looked good: heavy dense material, formed corners, etc. The new glass looked good: no waves that I could detect. The old gasket was cut out and the trim and glass was removed. No rust was seen under the gasket, it looked quite good to me. He stretched out the gasket and fit it to the frame first, then he pulled it off and put it on the glass. Glass cleaner was used as lubricant, as required. Then he wrapped a 1/4 cotton (?) cord around the outer channel, 1 wrap. Then he put on the glass and roped it in. He took his time, and there was a lot of fiddling, pushing/pulling with the aid of a big rubber suction cup, slapping of hands on glass, kneading of the gasket. A gigantic PITA. (We're leaving out all of the false starts.) Voila, after about two hours the glass was in, but the locking trim was not. I had to go. Apparently shortly thereafter he did too, but came back in late afternoon to finish. While trying to put in the trim he broke the windshield, three cracks from top to bottom, nearly in the center! He left in disgust, no charge. Trim still not on the car. Not sure what the next step is, or should be. He put in maybe four hours, a new gasket, and new glass. We put in nothing but the heat and light in the garage. So far. (We do have a new gasket and no pitting, but it's still broken and the trim is out.) I think I'm glad I didn't try this myself. (If I had I'd have done what worked for the Chevy: trim in the rubber before it goes into the car. OTOH, I broke that glass too.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
Trim is supposed to go in the gasket *before* it's installed. Allan Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: Windshield day! The guy showed up and we moved the car into the garage and out of the wind/rain. He brought new Pilkington glass and a Precision (brand) gasket. The new gasket looked good: heavy dense material, formed corners, etc. The new glass looked good: no waves that I could detect. The old gasket was cut out and the trim and glass was removed. No rust was seen under the gasket, it looked quite good to me. He stretched out the gasket and fit it to the frame first, then he pulled it off and put it on the glass. Glass cleaner was used as lubricant, as required. Then he wrapped a 1/4 cotton (?) cord around the outer channel, 1 wrap. Then he put on the glass and roped it in. He took his time, and there was a lot of fiddling, pushing/pulling with the aid of a big rubber suction cup, slapping of hands on glass, kneading of the gasket. A gigantic PITA. (We're leaving out all of the false starts.) Voila, after about two hours the glass was in, but the locking trim was not. I had to go. Apparently shortly thereafter he did too, but came back in late afternoon to finish. While trying to put in the trim he broke the windshield, three cracks from top to bottom, nearly in the center! He left in disgust, no charge. Trim still not on the car. Not sure what the next step is, or should be. He put in maybe four hours, a new gasket, and new glass. We put in nothing but the heat and light in the garage. So far. (We do have a new gasket and no pitting, but it's still broken and the trim is out.) I think I'm glad I didn't try this myself. (If I had I'd have done what worked for the Chevy: trim in the rubber before it goes into the car. OTOH, I broke that glass too.) -- Jim -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
Sounds like he's learning on your car. The guy who did the glass on my 124 was very quick, but then again my car doesn't have a gasket, just a very large bead of urethane. We chatted some, he wasn't young and had dealt with plenty of gasket cars, unlike some in the biz. But he didn't particularly like them. The good news is that you don't have any rust to deal with. That did please me. Most of the car's life was in salt-free areas. They salt here, and there's a few spots on the bottom that I _must_ deal with soon before they get going. Trim is supposed to go in the gasket *before* it's installed. That's what I found on the Chevy, but I wasn't about to tell him his business! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
Jim Cathey wrote: Windshield day! Voila, after about two hours the glass was in, but the locking trim was not. While trying to put in the trim he broke the windshield, three cracks from top to bottom, nearly in the center! I think I'm glad I didn't try this myself. (If I had I'd have done what worked for the Chevy: trim in the rubber before it goes into the car. OTOH, I broke that glass too.) The shop that did my windshield put the trim in the gasket which was on the glass before roping the assembly onto the car. I asked, The trim ring on before it's in the car?. He said, Oh. Yes! Absolutely! I guess he considers it the only way to do it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
Windshield day! The guy showed up and we moved the car into the garage and out of the wind/rain. He brought new Pilkington glass and a Precision (brand) gasket. The new gasket looked good: heavy dense material, formed corners, etc. The new glass looked good: no waves that I could detect. The old gasket was cut out and the trim and glass was removed. No rust was seen under the gasket, it looked quite good to me. He stretched out the gasket and fit it to the frame first, then he pulled it off and put it on the glass. Glass cleaner was used as lubricant, as required. Then he wrapped a 1/4 cotton (?) cord around the outer channel, 1 wrap. Then he put on the glass and roped it in. He took his time, and there was a lot of fiddling, pushing/pulling with the aid of a big rubber suction cup, slapping of hands on glass, kneading of the gasket. A gigantic PITA. (We're leaving out all of the false starts.) Voila, after about two hours the glass was in, but the locking trim was not. I had to go. Apparently shortly thereafter he did too, but came back in late afternoon to finish. While trying to put in the trim he broke the windshield, three cracks from top to bottom, nearly in the center! He left in disgust, no charge. Trim still not on the car. Not sure what the next step is, or should be. He put in maybe four hours, a new gasket, and new glass. We put in nothing but the heat and light in the garage. So far. (We do have a new gasket and no pitting, but it's still broken and the trim is out.) I think I'm glad I didn't try this myself. (If I had I'd have done what worked for the Chevy: trim in the rubber before it goes into the car. OTOH, I broke that glass too.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
My new glass in the '95 is Pilkington, and I'm quite pleased with it. No visible defects (ripples or waves) that I can detect. The only advice I can offer is to make sure the glass guy does a really good job of re-mediating any rust that is found in the frame, and repairing any damage to the paint on the frame prior to installing the new glass. It would be really nice to be present for all steps, and have it done at your house so you have the option of pushing the car under cover from the weather so you can properly repair any rust that the glass guy can't deal with. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 9:45:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility Dude, you're asking if ANY new glass is OK on a $400 car? And it will make your wife happy, no matter what it is, as long as it has no pits and cracks? It's the ripples and waves that I want to avoid. Heard enough horror stories, don't want to end up there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It would be really nice to be present for all steps, Yes, but probably not going to happen. I also can't seem to find my windshield gasket. It's in the safe place... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If it were mine it'd be left on a heater somewhere so it'd be all dried and cracked by now... -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 06:38:46 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility Message-ID: dd581073-5ec0-11e0-80e9-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It would be really nice to be present for all steps, Yes, but probably not going to happen. I also can't seem to find my windshield gasket. It's in the safe place... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
So the windshield on the ol' CW has been badly pitted and cracked since we got it. Like the orange carpet in the living room that's got to go. Like the orange carpet it didn't exactly happen right away. Eighteen years later we finally replaced the carpet, so it's fairly easy to understand why it took ten years for my wife to get fed up enough to call the glass guy. He'll come out and replace it for $250, using Pilkington glass. (Wife wrote down Tilkington, but that can't be right.) Will use our new gasket, which I bought many years ago anticipating this day, assuming I can find it in time, or one of his own if he thinks a new one is necessary. (I'm sure it will be.) P glass OK? His alternative is Sunsao. My one foray into windshield replacement, on the Chebby in 2007 partly as a learning tool for this chore, tells me I don't want to go there again! Yet the CW has done yeoman's duty all this time, and is what my wife drove all winter since the 560SEL puked again, so it has earned a bit of TLC. The windshield is _the_ thing my wife hates about the car. Sucks a bit to put $250 into our $400 car, but it's really up to about $1000 now and it has turned in excellent service, in spite of being filled with gasoline and such. So, _is_ Pilkington glass OK? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
Dude, you're asking if ANY new glass is OK on a $400 car? And it will make your wife happy, no matter what it is, as long as it has no pits and cracks? --R On 4/1/11 9:03 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: So, _is_ Pilkington glass OK? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: So, _is_ Pilkington glass OK? IIRC Roger just a few weeks ago said that Pilkington was OEM for all new Benzes, which seems like a pretty good recommendation to me. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dude, you're asking if ANY new glass is OK on a $400 car? And it will make your wife happy, no matter what it is, as long as it has no pits and cracks? It's the ripples and waves that I want to avoid. Heard enough horror stories, don't want to end up there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
Anyone ever tried the polishing kits that claim to remove pitting and scratches? My 300D windshield is moderately pitted, enough so that early/late day sun can cause annoying glare. But I really hate to contemplate replacing it as every time I've had a windshield replaced it started leaking within 12 months. Allan On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:45 -0800, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Dude, you're asking if ANY new glass is OK on a $400 car? And it will make your wife happy, no matter what it is, as long as it has no pits and cracks? It's the ripples and waves that I want to avoid. Heard enough horror stories, don't want to end up there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My experience with these has been less than satisfactory. You can use BonAmi (in cake or powdered form-NOT the cleanser!) or find a telescope guy and get some cerium oxide. Best fix-hit the thing with a small ball peen hammer and turn it in for replacement to your insurance agent (just joking of course!) On that same subject, I found State Farm to be very liberal about windshield replacement. When I lived in Florida previously, my 300SD had a lot of wear from all the sand and grit in the air. It made it tough to see at night or when driving into the sun. I reported this to my agent and they told me to get the windshield replaced. Dan Sent from my iPod On Apr 1, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Anyone ever tried the polishing kits that claim to remove pitting and scratches? My 300D windshield is moderately pitted, enough so that early/late day sun can cause annoying glare. But I really hate to contemplate replacing it as every time I've had a windshield replaced it started leaking within 12 months. Allan On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:45 -0800, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Dude, you're asking if ANY new glass is OK on a $400 car? And it will make your wife happy, no matter what it is, as long as it has no pits and cracks? It's the ripples and waves that I want to avoid. Heard enough horror stories, don't want to end up there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility
Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: On that same subject, I found State Farm to be very liberal about windshield replacement. When I lived in Florida previously, my 300SD had a lot of wear from all the sand and grit in the air. It made it tough to see at night or when driving into the sun. I reported this to my agent and they told me to get the windshield replaced. Probably a proactive move on their part: cheaper to pay for a new windshield than to pay for damages and possible injury when you run into somthing you didn't see because of the glare on your old pitted windshield. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey wrote: So, _is_ Pilkington glass OK? Repeating my post from earlier this month... *smiles* I just had a new windshield and gasket install in my '85 TD. Safety Inspection is a racket... Anyway. I looked at getting PPG glass. Decided the car did not deserve one _that_ good. Ended up getting Pilkington glass and Precision gasket. The shop did some looking to find what they thought was good. I'm pleased. With the parts and the service. There was no trouble with the gasket or glass fitting the car. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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USAA replaced mine on the 91 350SDL 'bout 12 years ago for pitting. 'Shoulda had it done long before - WOW! - what a difference! Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon visibility My experience with these has been less than satisfactory. You can use BonAmi (in cake or powdered form-NOT the cleanser!) or find a telescope guy and get some cerium oxide. Best fix-hit the thing with a small ball peen hammer and turn it in for replacement to your insurance agent (just joking of course!) On that same subject, I found State Farm to be very liberal about windshield replacement. When I lived in Florida previously, my 300SD had a lot of wear from all the sand and grit in the air. It made it tough to see at night or when driving into the sun. I reported this to my agent and they told me to get the windshield replaced. Dan Sent from my iPod On Apr 1, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Anyone ever tried the polishing kits that claim to remove pitting and scratches? My 300D windshield is moderately pitted, enough so that early/late day sun can cause annoying glare. But I really hate to contemplate replacing it as every time I've had a windshield replaced it started leaking within 12 months. Allan On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:45 -0800, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Dude, you're asking if ANY new glass is OK on a $400 car? And it will make your wife happy, no matter what it is, as long as it has no pits and cracks? It's the ripples and waves that I want to avoid. Heard enough horror stories, don't want to end up there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken Wagon comes through
The Chicken Wagon has acquitted itself well the last week we've been on vacation. It rolled over 300kmi early in the trip, runs like a top. This morning we were back on the East side, in Yakima [WA] which was actually a bit warmer than here at home, and temps were colder. It was in the teens this morning when I went to start. Two full glow cycles and it still didn't go. Another two and the battery was getting weak, but I kept on the starter and it finally started firing. After a bit it was running, died once, and I laid on it again until it was running. Then it was fine. It _really_ wants to be plugged in under such conditions! I'd say we put on about 1000 miles this trip. We got 23-25 MPG. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken Wagon rides again!
The 560 SEL is down with a blown suspension, and it's been snowing lately and Jill's 560 SL isn't really a good winter car, so I got out the Chicken Wagon again. It was last started April 7, 2009, when I put it away for the summer. All I did was disconnect the battery, but I think I might have put the charger on once in the interim. Anyway, with a little air in the tires and 20 minutes on the battery charger she started right up. No problems, I drove it up top to finish getting it ready for duty. I got the Frankenheap out for its tour of duty too. Pretty much the same story. Both cars started immediately, but of course the FH had only been sleeping since March 6, 2010. I love diesels! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken wagon molting
Jill asked me today if the car wasn't supposed to have a piece of molding on the driver's door. Why yes, it should. Apparently the thing fell off somewhere in the last day or two. All but one of the round clips are gone. Probably there were two left, and when the (front) one fell out or broke the whole thing stripped away. Crap. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken Wagon
As some may remember I was having intermittent fuse-blowing on this car (83 300D) when shifting into reverse. A trip through the rear wiring netted nothing, so I disassembled the neutral safety switch. Nothing overtly wrong, but I did think that one of the spring leaves seemed to have a bit much sideways flex in it so I potted its base in Shoe Goo and reinstalled it after it had dried. I had wondered if it could move sideways enough to contact the case. That seems to have done it, there have been no blown fuses since then. -- Jim
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HOORAY FOR SHOE GOO! I use Seal-All for that type of stuff, or near anything that needs stuck or sealed actually. WOrks like Shoe Goo to hold the kids shoes together.;) Nice fix Jim. Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon As some may remember I was having intermittent fuse-blowing on this car (83 300D) when shifting into reverse. A trip through the rear wiring netted nothing, so I disassembled the neutral safety switch. Nothing overtly wrong, but I did think that one of the spring leaves seemed to have a bit much sideways flex in it so I potted its base in Shoe Goo and reinstalled it after it had dried. I had wondered if it could move sideways enough to contact the case. That seems to have done it, there have been no blown fuses since then. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken Wagon
Brake day. I didn't finish, unfortunately. As always, removing the _second_ puck is always the hard part. Finally I fabricated a seal/clamp out of a big washer with a ring of inner tube rubber glued to it, and two 6x2x1/4 strips of heavy metal strapping to serve as a clamp. I had to notch one of them to let the pipe from the grease gun fit through. With two C clamps I could then clamp the seal into place yet still leave enough room for the other puck to come out. It just walked right out once this was done, using water pressure from the grease gun. I have thought about fabricating this clamp every time I've had to do this miserable job, I finally got around to it! With the sticky caliper all apart I got all the rust sanded out of the parts (outside the seal) so the pucks would slide easily again. They fit nicely into their bores and will now slip out under gravity. The rubber parts were actually in fairly good shape. I'll still replace it with the kits', but I will keep the old rubber for jalopy use. I blew dry everything that I didn't want to rust and set it aside for tomorrow. A little WD-40 went into the acme screws of the clamps and the grease gun guts. (I need to get a big bolt so that I only need one C clamp for this operation.) I may want to paint the part of the calipers where the rubber water seal goes on. Perhaps this will seal better keeping it drier inside and preventing further rust? -- Jim
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You need to resell ShoeGoo under your own brand, call it BenzGoo or ChickenWagenGoo. --R
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On 5/31/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may want to paint the part of the calipers where the rubber water seal goes on. Perhaps this will seal better keeping it drier inside and preventing further rust? Eastwood sells special caliper paint in an assortment of shocking colors. (Of course then you would need coffee-can exhaust and wheels with beyond-the-fender offset to match.) Alex Chamberlain
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg
Heartbreak Hotel Bob R. - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg When my wife got home she sheepishly admitted that upon reflection, she'd put 15.5 gallons, $50, of gasoline into the car, not diesel. She was in a hurry and was worried about running out of fuel, so she'd gone to a different station than usual. She remembers 87 on the pump, and noticing that it didn't foam up like it usually did. Yeah, that'll do it. That also explains the new-found 'stickiness' of the primer pump, and the extra 'fuminess' I experienced when blowing through the main fuel filter. The large reserve capacity in the tank explains why I didn't think there was anything particularly wrong with the fuel; the dilution wasn't quite so bad as to make it obviously gasoline nor to keep it from running. It explains everything. Fortunately the fuel system in this class of car is extremely robust, there is unlikely to have been any lasting damage. Tomorrow I need to siphon out enough of the tank so that the three gallons of diesel I have in cans here can push the gasoline dilution to no more than Mercedes' old-time recommendation of 25%. That should get me to the gas station where I can fill it up with diesel, pushing the dilution down to something tolerable. Over time I can then use up this contaminated fuel a little at a time, that should keep the dilution from being harmful while not wasting the $50. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken Wagon lays an egg
Trouble! My wife called me and said the car wouldn't start. (She'd just filled it up, too, it turns out. Bad fuel?) After much fooling around I ended up with the key and over at the neighbor's where it sat. (Better that it acted up there than just about anyplace other than our own driveway.) Apparently it would crank OK, but not run. I pumped the (new-style) primer, which felt a bit 'airy' at first, and it started right up. As we prepared to caravan it home it started running rough and died. Weird. I pulled the primary fuel filter and it was very free. So was the secondary, we dumped it out and saw no sign of water or dirt. The contents looked, felt, and smelled like diesel. The aluminum washer and its seat look somewhat galled, though. Heavy-handed Hans may have had a whack at it. I blew backwards into the fuel feed hose and that seemed to be OK. I pulled off the vacuum shutoff, no difference: it would start fine, but not run well after a bit. Sure seems like a cracked fuel line. As re-starting it was so repeatable I gambled and drove it home, I figured that if it died I could just prime it and get going again, limping home that way. It ran great in S, the only trouble it had was again at low RPM's at the house. I parked it and went inside, disgusted. Oh, and the infamous CW is a 300D, 1983. -- Jim
[MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg
When my wife got home she sheepishly admitted that upon reflection, she'd put 15.5 gallons, $50, of gasoline into the car, not diesel. She was in a hurry and was worried about running out of fuel, so she'd gone to a different station than usual. She remembers 87 on the pump, and noticing that it didn't foam up like it usually did. Yeah, that'll do it. That also explains the new-found 'stickiness' of the primer pump, and the extra 'fuminess' I experienced when blowing through the main fuel filter. The large reserve capacity in the tank explains why I didn't think there was anything particularly wrong with the fuel; the dilution wasn't quite so bad as to make it obviously gasoline nor to keep it from running. It explains everything. Fortunately the fuel system in this class of car is extremely robust, there is unlikely to have been any lasting damage. Tomorrow I need to siphon out enough of the tank so that the three gallons of diesel I have in cans here can push the gasoline dilution to no more than Mercedes' old-time recommendation of 25%. That should get me to the gas station where I can fill it up with diesel, pushing the dilution down to something tolerable. Over time I can then use up this contaminated fuel a little at a time, that should keep the dilution from being harmful while not wasting the $50. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg
On May 9, 2007, at 10:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: When my wife got home she sheepishly admitted that upon reflection, she'd put 15.5 gallons, $50, of gasoline into the car, not diesel. Ah, yes my wife did that 2 years back too, except it was premium (actually high octane 94 preimum so even more money) She kept her foot on the accelerator so it wouldn't stall out at the lights on the way to the dealer, ran funny she said. I was out of town, so ]total costs came in at $250, gas, filters changed by dealer, disposal of fuel (hazard waste you know), oh and renting a car with 30 minutes notice, you want a car, you want it now? Hertz does NOT have a deal for you... On the plus side 50K miles later there wasn't any impact on the IP or injectors as far as I could tell based on milage or performance. John 1983 300TDt 386k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 193k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 190k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg
Funny headline, and a fear of mine. Wife has never fueled our diesel vehicle before, and tends to have mind on much more important things than small, smelly details. Brian On 5/10/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When my wife got home she sheepishly admitted that upon reflection, she'd put 15.5 gallons, $50, of gasoline into the car, not diesel. She was in a hurry and was worried about running out of fuel, so she'd gone to a different station than usual. She remembers 87 on the pump, and noticing that it didn't foam up like it usually did. Yeah, that'll do it. That also explains the new-found 'stickiness' of the primer pump, and the extra 'fuminess' I experienced when blowing through the main fuel filter. The large reserve capacity in the tank explains why I didn't think there was anything particularly wrong with the fuel; the dilution wasn't quite so bad as to make it obviously gasoline nor to keep it from running. It explains everything. Fortunately the fuel system in this class of car is extremely robust, there is unlikely to have been any lasting damage. Tomorrow I need to siphon out enough of the tank so that the three gallons of diesel I have in cans here can push the gasoline dilution to no more than Mercedes' old-time recommendation of 25%. That should get me to the gas station where I can fill it up with diesel, pushing the dilution down to something tolerable. Over time I can then use up this contaminated fuel a little at a time, that should keep the dilution from being harmful while not wasting the $50. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg
So your DIESEL Mercedes now has a GAS problem, eh? :-) At least it wasn't something horrible. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267k miles, Ursula, still kickin'
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg
Careful Mike, everytime I say something like that I do something extremely stupid... -Curt Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:34:16 -0400 From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Glad you figured it out Jim.I STILL have no idea how in the world anyone could pump $50 worth of the wrong fuel without noticing they were doing it...Talk about not paying attention!! She's just lucky you drive a tough car. Mike - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 10 13:46:05 2007 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.233]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1Hm8y4-00060C-Fq for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:46:04 + Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id n29so593836nzf for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 10 May 2007 06:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.200.2 with SMTP id x2mr511800waf.1178804760839; Thu, 10 May 2007 06:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.57.13 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 06:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:46:00 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon lays an egg X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:46:05 - Anything but bad fuel would surprise me - it's too much of a coincidence. Keep us posted, Jim. On 5/9/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trouble! My wife called me and said the car wouldn't start. (She'd just filled it up, too, it turns out. Bad fuel?) After much fooling around I ended up with the key and over at the neighbor's where it sat. (Better that it acted up there than just about anyplace other than our own driveway.) Apparently it would crank OK, but not run. I pumped the (new-style) primer, which felt a bit 'airy' at first, and it started right up. As we prepared to caravan it home it started running rough and died. Weird. I pulled the primary fuel filter and it was very free. So was the secondary, we dumped it out and saw no sign of water or dirt. The contents looked, felt, and smelled like diesel. The aluminum washer and its seat look somewhat galled, though. Heavy-handed Hans may have had a whack at it. I blew backwards into the fuel feed hose and that seemed to be OK. I pulled off the vacuum shutoff, no difference: it would start fine, but not run well after a bit. Sure seems like a cracked fuel line. As re-starting it was so repeatable I gambled and drove it home, I figured that if it died I could just prime it and get going again, limping home that way. It ran great in S, the only trouble it had was again at low RPM's at the house. I parked it and went inside, disgusted. Oh, and the infamous CW is a 300D, 1983. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg
I'm watching my step very carefully. Mike - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg Careful Mike, everytime I say something like that I do something extremely stupid... -Curt Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:34:16 -0400 From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon exonerated, wife lays egg To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Glad you figured it out Jim.I STILL have no idea how in the world anyone could pump $50 worth of the wrong fuel without noticing they were doing it...Talk about not paying attention!! She's just lucky you drive a tough car. Mike - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
