[MBZ] E320 not a crazy price -- 2004 Mercedes-Benz e-class,$2,700

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Looks OK

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7273202852702163

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Re: [MBZ] E320 Mercedes

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Fly and drive, buddy, they’re right next to the airport.

-D

On Dec 28, 2023, at 4:24 PM, Robert Rentfro via Mercedes 
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https://reno.craigslist.org/cto/d/reno-e320-mercedes/7701325835.html
Sent from Mail for Windows

Can’t go wrong for $800. Who is close?/

AZBob
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[MBZ] E320 Mercedes

[Robert Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://reno.craigslist.org/cto/d/reno-e320-mercedes/7701325835.htmlSent from Mail for Windows Can’t go wrong for $800. Who is close?/ AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] E320 CDI repo

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

One of my former work associates bought a repoed 2020 GT-R. He had it for about 
a month when it got firebombed in his driveway one night. Long story short, 
thanks to his driveway camera, turns out it was the guy from whom the car was 
repoed. Said guy is cooling his heels in the pokey still. 

AZBob

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> On Dec 8, 2023, at 2:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The life of a repo man is always intense.
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023, at 15:57, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> I was at this UCD today fooling with the R500. I was talking to the
>> woman who owns the lot asking where she gets her cars. Most of them
>> come from dealers auction. I told her I was interested in older
>> interesting Benzes and she says oh I am repoing a 2009 (I think that’s
>> what she said) E320CDI but it might have been newer than that. Anyway
>> she had no idea what the story was with it but she was getting it
>> Dec26.
>> 
>> She had pics from when she sold it and it looked really nice but bland
>> silver/gray. She was going to call me when it got collected.
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] E320 CDI repo

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The life of a repo man is always intense.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2023, at 15:57, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> I was at this UCD today fooling with the R500. I was talking to the 
> woman who owns the lot asking where she gets her cars. Most of them 
> come from dealers auction. I told her I was interested in older 
> interesting Benzes and she says oh I am repoing a 2009 (I think that’s 
> what she said) E320CDI but it might have been newer than that. Anyway 
> she had no idea what the story was with it but she was getting it 
> Dec26. 
>
> She had pics from when she sold it and it looked really nice but bland 
> silver/gray. She was going to call me when it got collected. 
>
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[MBZ] E320 CDI repo

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I was at this UCD today fooling with the R500. I was talking to the woman who 
owns the lot asking where she gets her cars. Most of them come from dealers 
auction. I told her I was interested in older interesting Benzes and she says 
oh I am repoing a 2009 (I think that’s what she said) E320CDI but it might have 
been newer than that. Anyway she had no idea what the story was with it but she 
was getting it Dec26. 

She had pics from when she sold it and it looked really nice but bland 
silver/gray. She was going to call me when it got collected. 

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] E320 MINT Condition 1999 - $2,950

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Front fenders are not color matched particularly well. That and no seat heaters 
means I'm not interested.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] E320 MINT Condition 1999 - $2,950

"Elderly driven"

Perhaps the reason for the rebuilt title? And that's a lot of fresh Armor-All 
in the engine compartment.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/woodridge-mercedes-benz-e320-mint/7693440983.html
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[MBZ] E320 MINT Condition 1999 - $2,950

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"Elderly driven"

Perhaps the reason for the rebuilt title? And that's a lot of fresh Armor-All 
in the engine compartment.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/woodridge-mercedes-benz-e320-mint/7693440983.html
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Re: [MBZ] E320 vs X5

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I have had LED bulbs in the headlights of my 2013 F150 for several years 
now. No problems so far and they are brighter. My mechanic son installed 
them and for some reason looked at them again a while later and changed 
them. At that point I ended up with high and low reversed until he 
pulled them and put them back the way they were.
He did not have quite as good luck as I have. He had one of his LED 
bulbs start to flicker and had to change it out. I think he got a new 
one on warranty however.


Randy

On 15/09/2023 9:30 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

The H7-equivalent LED lamps came yesterday.  I installed them.  First I
put an H7 in the spare headlamp to see what stock lighting looked
like, aimed around the yard at night.  Surprisingly feeble, with a
rather short-height high-beam bar of light.  But it works well on the
road.  (I drove the car with the properly-installed H7 in it, the high
beams are indeed _much_ better this way.  So, that had been a
problem ever since we got the car.)  Then I put in an LED lamp.
Nothing exploded, and light came out.  The pattern looked pretty
similar, but did seem perhaps 2x as bright, and was certainly
whiter.  (Verging on blue-ish, but I don't think objectionably so.
And, these are high beams, so how they appear to oncoming drivers is
largely irrelevant, since they shouldn't be on in those conditions.)

Testing, such as it is, passed, I installed them in the car.  That was
a bit fiddly, it looks like the bulbs are intended to go in multiple
ways, just in case they have to be rotated due to the unavoidable
directionality of the LEDs vs the reflectors.  (Probably for use with
low beams, which I would not do.  I also noticed that the city light
socket on the other side is also broken, and was wedged into place
with a wad of blue paper towel.  Perhaps I should have ordered two
replacements?)  I then took another test drive.

Yes, noticeably brighter.  The light pattern seemed good while
driving, and turning high beams off made the lighting seem much
dimmer, which was not the case when I first started investigating.
We'll see how these hold up, I put the old H7s in the trunk just in
case the LEDs crap out on the road.  There were no lamp-out
indications, which is good.  (Some cars don't like some LED bulbs.)

-- Jim





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Re: [MBZ] E320 vs X5

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The H7-equivalent LED lamps came yesterday.  I installed them.  First I
put an H7 in the spare headlamp to see what stock lighting looked
like, aimed around the yard at night.  Surprisingly feeble, with a
rather short-height high-beam bar of light.  But it works well on the
road.  (I drove the car with the properly-installed H7 in it, the high
beams are indeed _much_ better this way.  So, that had been a
problem ever since we got the car.)  Then I put in an LED lamp.
Nothing exploded, and light came out.  The pattern looked pretty
similar, but did seem perhaps 2x as bright, and was certainly
whiter.  (Verging on blue-ish, but I don't think objectionably so.
And, these are high beams, so how they appear to oncoming drivers is
largely irrelevant, since they shouldn't be on in those conditions.)

Testing, such as it is, passed, I installed them in the car.  That was
a bit fiddly, it looks like the bulbs are intended to go in multiple
ways, just in case they have to be rotated due to the unavoidable
directionality of the LEDs vs the reflectors.  (Probably for use with
low beams, which I would not do.  I also noticed that the city light
socket on the other side is also broken, and was wedged into place
with a wad of blue paper towel.  Perhaps I should have ordered two
replacements?)  I then took another test drive.

Yes, noticeably brighter.  The light pattern seemed good while
driving, and turning high beams off made the lighting seem much
dimmer, which was not the case when I first started investigating.
We'll see how these hold up, I put the old H7s in the trunk just in
case the LEDs crap out on the road.  There were no lamp-out
indications, which is good.  (Some cars don't like some LED bulbs.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320 vs X5

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Good work, Jim!

Mercedes has a kit (2108260582) for replacing those driving light bulb sockets 
for some models of this vintage. I’ve gotten them before, in fact, I’ve got a 
pair of them for my CL600 I have yet to install. The halogen lamps in these 
drew too much current for the original harness and as a result, the wires would 
melt as would the socket.

The kit is a new socket with pigtails on it and costs about $12 from online 
sellers like mbpartsource.com (MB of Laredo).

-D

On Sep 10, 2023, at 2:41 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
wrote:

We lost a D2R (HID) bulb, and my ordered spares came so I could replace it.  
Such a difference when compared to the hour-long cluster-f**k that is that job 
on the X5! Simply release the bayonet locks on the hatch cover, socket, and the 
bulb retaining ring, replace the bulb, and reverse to reassemble. Done in under 
a minute, if you've done it before.
As planned, while I was there I investigated the puny high beam on that side. 
Apparently the bozo who last replaced the H7 bulb didn't get it bayonet-locked 
into place, so it had fallen back into the housing away from the reflector. I 
re-seated it, properly I hope, and it's now a lot brighter. To gain access to 
the high-beam hatch you have to slide the headlight-washer reservoir up and out 
of the way.

Also, some ham-handed SOB broke the bayonet lock on the city (parking) light 
socket in the same housing. (Push and twist, gently, to remove. Don't force 
it!) While I have another bulb holder from a spare non-HID headlight I bought 
I'd have to cut and solder the socket in, and that'd leave the donor headlight 
assembly, which has nice clear lenses, crippled. Not really worth it, I just 
wrapped electrical tape around the socket body so it fits more snugly without 
the bayonet lock, and pushed it into place. I think it'll be good enough.

I'm going to experiment with an LED replacement for the H7 high beam.  They 
claim brighter than an H7, and I guess we'll see.  I don't care if the beam 
spread is a bit off, as high beams are deer spotters around here, and the more 
the merrier.  (NOT true for low beams, where lighting pattern is critical!)  
They're complete crap for oncoming traffic anyway, so I don't see how it could 
be bad if the light pattern is even remotely close to what it should be.  And, 
brighter is better.  What I've noticed is that it's barely worth putting on the 
high beams on this car.  Not sure if that's just the natural disparity with HID 
vs halogen, a result of the un-seated high beam on the driver's side, or what.  
Anyway, 40-odd dollars and in a few days I'll know more.  Will it work?  Will 
it be brighter?  Usably?  Will the lamp-out system get pissed?  Will it be too 
stupidly blue?  Will it burn out quickly due to piss-poor thermal design?

I'll let y'all know.

-- Jim

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[MBZ] E320 vs X5

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

We lost a D2R (HID) bulb, and my ordered spares came so I could replace it.  
Such a difference when compared to the hour-long cluster-f**k that is that job 
on the X5! Simply release the bayonet locks on the hatch cover, socket, and the 
bulb retaining ring, replace the bulb, and reverse to reassemble. Done in under 
a minute, if you've done it before.
As planned, while I was there I investigated the puny high beam on that side. 
Apparently the bozo who last replaced the H7 bulb didn't get it bayonet-locked 
into place, so it had fallen back into the housing away from the reflector. I 
re-seated it, properly I hope, and it's now a lot brighter. To gain access to 
the high-beam hatch you have to slide the headlight-washer reservoir up and out 
of the way.

Also, some ham-handed SOB broke the bayonet lock on the city (parking) light 
socket in the same housing. (Push and twist, gently, to remove. Don't force 
it!) While I have another bulb holder from a spare non-HID headlight I bought 
I'd have to cut and solder the socket in, and that'd leave the donor headlight 
assembly, which has nice clear lenses, crippled. Not really worth it, I just 
wrapped electrical tape around the socket body so it fits more snugly without 
the bayonet lock, and pushed it into place. I think it'll be good enough.

I'm going to experiment with an LED replacement for the H7 high beam.  They 
claim brighter than an H7, and I guess we'll see.  I don't care if the beam 
spread is a bit off, as high beams are deer spotters around here, and the more 
the merrier.  (NOT true for low beams, where lighting pattern is critical!)  
They're complete crap for oncoming traffic anyway, so I don't see how it could 
be bad if the light pattern is even remotely close to what it should be.  And, 
brighter is better.  What I've noticed is that it's barely worth putting on the 
high beams on this car.  Not sure if that's just the natural disparity with HID 
vs halogen, a result of the un-seated high beam on the driver's side, or what.  
Anyway, 40-odd dollars and in a few days I'll know more.  Will it work?  Will 
it be brighter?  Usably?  Will the lamp-out system get pissed?  Will it be too 
stupidly blue?  Will it burn out quickly due to piss-poor thermal design?

I'll let y'all know.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] E320

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yes, I'm having some of those issues with the E500, the passenger side blows 
cold but the driver's side much less so, until the whole car cools down. The 
refrigerant charge is good. I think there's a stuck or broken blend door or 
diverter, because also on the passenger side I get constant cold air on the 
windshield when I'm running the AC, even if I manually select "center vents" on 
the control panel, so I get condensation on the glass on the outside if it's 
humid enough, while the drivers side seems to be mostly recirculating the 
interior air.

A big contributing problem is the complexity of these systems. It's not the 
simple 4-position fan speed and mechanically/cable-operated temperature and air 
diverter.



On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, at 10:36, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2023-08-08 22:59, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> An opportunity to pass along the secrets of the "test blend" 
>> refrigerant to the next generation.
>
> Fixing climate control is more involved than fixing A/C.
> It'll be interesting to see which he needs.
>
> My 1999 had issues when I bought it 12 years ago.
> I didn't realize it until the next winter, but there was no heat on the 
> passenger side.
> Then a few years later there was no cool on the driver's side.
> Then there was full time heat on the driver's side and I only drove it 
> in the summer if I absolutely had to. Last summer drive was to pick up a 
> generator before I got the ML350. 20 miles each way of pure torture. 
> (all windows work except driver's)
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Re: [MBZ] E320

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2023-08-08 22:59, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
An opportunity to pass along the secrets of the "test blend" 
refrigerant to the next generation.


Fixing climate control is more involved than fixing A/C.
It'll be interesting to see which he needs.

My 1999 had issues when I bought it 12 years ago.
I didn't realize it until the next winter, but there was no heat on the 
passenger side.

Then a few years later there was no cool on the driver's side.
Then there was full time heat on the driver's side and I only drove it 
in the summer if I absolutely had to. Last summer drive was to pick up a 
generator before I got the ML350. 20 miles each way of pure torture. 
(all windows work except driver's)


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Re: [MBZ] E320

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On Tue, Aug 8, 2023, at 21:57, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> He bought it today.  Overall it's a good-looking car.  The gutted cat(s) make
> it a bit blatty, but nothing too objectionable.  The AC doesn't work, he never
> asked about that.  Could be next to nothing, could be horrendous.

An opportunity to pass along the secrets of the "test blend" refrigerant to the 
next generation.

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Re: [MBZ] E320

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

He bought it today.  Overall it's a good-looking car.  The gutted cat(s) make
it a bit blatty, but nothing too objectionable.  The AC doesn't work, he never
asked about that.  Could be next to nothing, could be horrendous.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Well if he's happy with his purchase then good for him!

He still has to take care of: taxes, license, insurance.
And any/all repairs and maintenance.  We'll see how ready
he was for all that!

> What's premium fuel out your way these days?  $5.50/gal?

Hideous.  I haven't looked myself but gasbuddy says about $4.90.
I know it's far worse on the wet side, I was seeing about $5.25/gal
for regular two weeks ago over there.

I put regular in everything.  Cash at State Line Idaho is circa $3.80,
so it's often worth the trip.  My brother said he paid as low as $3/gal
last month back East on his big road trip.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Well if he's happy with his purchase then good for him!

What's premium fuel out your way these days?  $5.50/gal?

--FT

On 8/8/23 6:50 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Any notable specific issues besides the spring perches?


He's committed to buy, at asking price.  The car does come with
a set of mounted snow tires, which is worth something.  I'll be helping
pick it up today, which is the first time I'll have seen it.

The cat is gutted, not missing.  Supposedly everything works, except
the interior trunk release switch.  Even the pop-up cupholder.  The seller
is a service writer (?) at the local dealership.  He bought it for his wife,
and she doesn't like it.  (BTDT!)  Comes with one fob, with a cracked case.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Any notable specific issues besides the spring perches?


He's committed to buy, at asking price.  The car does come with
a set of mounted snow tires, which is worth something.  I'll be helping
pick it up today, which is the first time I'll have seen it.

The cat is gutted, not missing.  Supposedly everything works, except
the interior trunk release switch.  Even the pop-up cupholder.  The seller
is a service writer (?) at the local dealership.  He bought it for his wife,
and she doesn't like it.  (BTDT!)  Comes with one fob, with a cracked case.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2023-08-06 13:02, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:


Any notable specific issues besides the spring perches?


Conductor plate, oil leaks in the transmission electrical connector, but 
the internet is full of info on fixing those economically, assuming the 
TCM hasn't been soaked in ATF yet.


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Re: [MBZ] E320

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I have a nice silver/gray 99E320 I would sell for $2600, about that many 
> miles.  $3900 is stupid money but I'm sure he doesn't want to hear that

His mother's 4wd version was $2500 a few years ago.
But, prices in WA are at record highs.  For example, gas
is (I believe) the highest in the nation.  My last trip a week
ago I saw $5.29 levels.  (I filled up in Oregon, at $4.35 instead.)
Other things track.

The fact that this car has been for sale for awhile, and not
snapped out from under him, is a fair clue that it might be
overpriced.

But, I suppose he's got to make his own mistakes.  He's never
been willing to listen to good advice before.  He's been made
aware that ALL expenses (insurance, license, etc.) are on him
for this one.  He's more the absent-minded professor type.
Needs a keeper...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have a nice silver/gray 99E320 I would sell for $2600, about that many 
miles.  $3900 is stupid money but I'm sure he doesn't want to hear that


--FT

On 8/6/23 1:02 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

My 21yo 'adulting' son is going to look at a 2000 E320 today,
to replace the rusting 1986 190D of mine he's been driving.
White/tan, 153kmi, 2wd.  IIRC they're asking $3900.  I've tried
to give him advice, and have offered any help he is willing to ask
for, but...

Any notable specific issues besides the spring perches?

-- Jim


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[MBZ] E320

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

My 21yo 'adulting' son is going to look at a 2000 E320 today,
to replace the rusting 1986 190D of mine he's been driving.
White/tan, 153kmi, 2wd.  IIRC they're asking $3900.  I've tried
to give him advice, and have offered any help he is willing to ask
for, but...

Any notable specific issues besides the spring perches?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] e320 hovercraft wagon screwed

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

What is wrong is an unknown …. Maybe just head gasket, possibly more

I think I can spend my dwindling years on other nightmare projects …. You buy 
it $2k!

I have other projects such as the failed Chelsea pto on my isuzu rollback … it 
won’t engage and operates by putting ATF pressure/fluid into some clutches …. 
The solenoid valve tests fine so problem is either in the PTO clutches or no 
pressure from the automatic transmission …. I may remove it take it to some 
supposed experts who claim they can test it off the vehicle

Unfortunately I have no faith in experts

Xx rick


> Is it something more than a head gasket? If not, just repair it. Head gasket 
> is not impossible to do.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/06/2023 4:29 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> That sucks. The 210 cars are among the most reliable, if mundane cars 
>> Mercedes ever built.
>> Perhaps you got an extremely poorly maintained example.
>> 
>> I'd sell to the Minnesota guy and hang on to the money. I'd buy another S210 
>> when prices come down. Used cars are in a bit of a bubble, but I expect 
>> prices to begin to fall by autumn. For sure by thanksgiving.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: June 10, 2023 11:37 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: macj...@aol.com
>> Subject: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now
>> 
>> Folks
>> 
>> The 2002 E320 hovercraft wagon is really screwed up now!!
>> 
>> We drove it around the block last night
>> 
>> It had been losing a quart of water in say a 50 mile trip
>> 
>> On the way home last night I was fooling around and stomped the accelerator  
>> hard at about 10 mph and then made a hard left corner ….. immediately it 
>> started blowing white smoke …. And I smelled a whiff of oil …..should I put 
>> epoxy in the water to seal it up …. There are some systems for alleged head 
>> gasket repair. I know two people who successfully used it on, I think fords. 
>> One was a ranger and the other some ford suv …. It worked for both of them
>> 
>> I am more ready to dump the car … some German from Minnesota was considering 
>> it for $2k…. And I take a bath at that price. He said he might fix the 
>> engine or might put an American v8 in it !?!
>> 
>> Xx rick
> Is it something more than a head gasket? If not, just repair it. Head gasket 
> is not impossible to do.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/06/2023 4:29 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> That sucks. The 210 cars are among the most reliable, if mundane cars 
>> Mercedes ever built.
>> Perhaps you got an extremely poorly maintained example.
>> 
>> I'd sell to the Minnesota guy and hang on to the money. I'd buy another S210 
>> when prices come down. Used cars are in a bit of a bubble, but I expect 
>> prices to begin to fall by autumn. For sure by thanksgiving.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: June 10, 2023 11:37 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: macj...@aol.com
>> Subject: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now
>> 
>> Folks
>> 
>> The 2002 E320 hovercraft wagon is really screwed up now!!
>> 
>> We drove it around the block last night
>> 
>> It had been losing a quart of water in say a 50 mile trip
>> 
>> On the way home last night I was fooling around and stomped the accelerator  
>> hard at about 10 mph and then made a hard left corner ….. immediately it 
>> started blowing white smoke …. And I smelled a whiff of oil …..should I put 
>> epoxy in the water to seal it up …. There are some systems for alleged head 
>> gasket repair. I know two people who successfully used it on, I think fords. 
>> One was a ranger and the other some ford suv …. It worked for both of them
>> 
>> I am more ready to dump the car … some German from Minnesota was considering 
>> it for $2k…. And I take a bath at that price. He said he might fix the 
>> engine or might put an American v8 in it !?!
>> 
>> Xx rick


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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Is it something more than a head gasket? If not, just repair it. Head 
gasket is not impossible to do.


Randy



On 11/06/2023 4:29 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

That sucks. The 210 cars are among the most reliable, if mundane cars Mercedes 
ever built.
Perhaps you got an extremely poorly maintained example.

I'd sell to the Minnesota guy and hang on to the money. I'd buy another S210 
when prices come down. Used cars are in a bit of a bubble, but I expect prices 
to begin to fall by autumn. For sure by thanksgiving.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: June 10, 2023 11:37 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: macj...@aol.com
Subject: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now

Folks

The 2002 E320 hovercraft wagon is really screwed up now!!

We drove it around the block last night

It had been losing a quart of water in say a 50 mile trip

On the way home last night I was fooling around and stomped the accelerator  
hard at about 10 mph and then made a hard left corner ….. immediately it 
started blowing white smoke …. And I smelled a whiff of oil …..should I put 
epoxy in the water to seal it up …. There are some systems for alleged head 
gasket repair. I know two people who successfully used it on, I think fords. 
One was a ranger and the other some ford suv …. It worked for both of them

I am more ready to dump the car … some German from Minnesota was considering it 
for $2k…. And I take a bath at that price. He said he might fix the engine or 
might put an American v8 in it !?!

Xx rick




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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks,

I like the stop leak for the human body thoughts….. aspirin or blood thinners 
DO thin blood to the point that bleeding is harder to stop and I assume there 
are drugs to thicken it for surgery for example.

As for epoxy leak stop additive or whatever it is …. Perhaps it only hardens 
where there is the heat of combustion … I don’t even know if it is even epoxy. 
And then it might not last very long. I don’t care if I have to take a $1500 
bath on the car … I’d consider a $2k sale for the hovercraft with bad head 
gasket or worst a lucky day … I’m perfectly willing to move on. Right now there 
are a TON of mercedes wagons for sale in Georgia, SC and NC.

Not keeping it seems like a good idea. I kind of would a  $1000 Nissan leaf to 
play with …. One with a bad battery. Apparently if you can find a big battery 
from a 2017 leaf you can beef up the rear springs and install it in a 2011-13 
older model and then you can get maybe 150 or 175 mile range which would be a 
useful car.  I did drive a leaf around Atlanta some a few years ago and it was 
a delight. Although my daughter had two Teslas and now one, I’ve never driven 
one … they live in California, of course. And I wouldn’t even pay $10k for a 
beater Tesla.

Xx rick



> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023, at 11:29, Jim Cathey wrote:
 A magic potion poured into the radiator typically will not fix a head 
 gasket leak,
>>> Would you cure bleeding from cuts by pouring 'stop-leak' into your 
>>> bloodstream?
>>> (Other than that, yes, usually there is some there!)
>> Yes most people have "stop leak" in their blood as original equipment! Along 
>> with other self-repair mechanisms.
>>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023, at 11:29, Jim Cathey wrote:
>>> A magic potion poured into the radiator typically will not fix a head 
>>> gasket leak,
>> Would you cure bleeding from cuts by pouring 'stop-leak' into your 
>> bloodstream?
>> (Other than that, yes, usually there is some there!)
> 
> Yes most people have "stop leak" in their blood as original equipment! Along 
> with other self-repair mechanisms.


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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks,

I like the stop leak for the human body thoughts….. aspirin or blood thinners 
DO thin blood to the point that bleeding is harder to stop and I assume there 
are drugs to thicken it for surgery for example.

As for epoxy leak stop additive or whatever it is …. Perhaps it only hardens 
where there is the heat of combustion … I don’t even know if it is even epoxy. 
And then it might not last very long. I don’t care if I have to take a $1500 
bath on the car … I’d consider a $2k sale for the hovercraft with bad head 
gasket or worst a lucky day … I’m perfectly willing to move on. Right now there 
are a TON of mercedes wagons for sale in Georgia, SC and NC.

Not keeping it seems like a good idea. I kind of would a  $1000 Nissan leaf to 
play with …. One with a bad battery. Apparently if you can find a big battery 
from a 2017 leaf you can beef up the rear springs and install it in a 2011-13 
older model and then you can get maybe 150 or 175 mile range which would be a 
useful car.  I did drive a leaf around Atlanta some a few years ago and it was 
a delight. Although my daughter had two Teslas and now one, I’ve never driven 
one … they live in California, of course. And I wouldn’t even pay $10k for a 
beater Tesla.

Xx rick



> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023, at 11:29, Jim Cathey wrote:
 A magic potion poured into the radiator typically will not fix a head 
 gasket leak,
>>> 
>>> Would you cure bleeding from cuts by pouring 'stop-leak' into your 
>>> bloodstream?
>>> (Other than that, yes, usually there is some there!)
>> 
>> Yes most people have "stop leak" in their blood as original equipment! Along 
>> with other self-repair mechanisms.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023, at 11:29, Jim Cathey wrote:
>>> A magic potion poured into the radiator typically will not fix a head 
>>> gasket leak,
>> 
>> Would you cure bleeding from cuts by pouring 'stop-leak' into your 
>> bloodstream?
>> (Other than that, yes, usually there is some there!)
> 
> Yes most people have "stop leak" in their blood as original equipment! Along 
> with other self-repair mechanisms.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

On Sun, Jun 11, 2023, at 11:29, Jim Cathey wrote:
>> A magic potion poured into the radiator typically will not fix a head gasket 
>> leak,
>
> Would you cure bleeding from cuts by pouring 'stop-leak' into your 
> bloodstream?
> (Other than that, yes, usually there is some there!)

Yes most people have "stop leak" in their blood as original equipment! Along 
with other self-repair mechanisms.

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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> A magic potion poured into the radiator typically will not fix a head gasket 
> leak,

Would you cure bleeding from cuts by pouring 'stop-leak' into your bloodstream?
(Other than that, yes, usually there is some there!)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320 CDI - 177k miles - $8,399

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Overpriced.  Pass.

On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 11:21 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Realtor spec except for the blacked-out wheels and possibly illegal window
> tint.
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/schiller-park-mercedes-e320-cdi/7631129899.html
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[MBZ] E320 CDI - 177k miles - $8,399

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Realtor spec except for the blacked-out wheels and possibly illegal window tint.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/schiller-park-mercedes-e320-cdi/7631129899.html
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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

A magic potion poured into the radiator typically will not fix a head gasket 
leak, any more than "leak stop" in air conditioning refrigerant will fix a 
leaking seal or evaporator. Or if it does it's not for long. And if it actually 
does plug it up, what else is it going to plug up?

I suppose there may be some rare exceptions, or experiments that show it works 
for very tiny leaks, that allow the manufacturers to claim it works. My 
experience trying these kinds of things over the years is that none of it 
really does anything.


On Sat, Jun 10, 2023, at 23:36, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes wrote:
> Folks
>
> The 2002 E320 hovercraft wagon is really screwed up now!!
>
> We drove it around the block last night
>
> It had been losing a quart of water in say a 50 mile trip 
>
> On the way home last night I was fooling around and stomped the 
> accelerator  hard at about 10 mph and then made a hard left corner ….. 
> immediately it started blowing white smoke …. And I smelled a whiff of 
> oil …..should I put epoxy in the water to seal it up …. There are some 
> systems for alleged head gasket repair. I know two people who 
> successfully used it on, I think fords. One was a ranger and the other 
> some ford suv …. It worked for both of them
>
> I am more ready to dump the car … some German from Minnesota was 
> considering it for $2k…. And I take a bath at that price. He said he 
> might fix the engine or might put an American v8 in it !?!
>
> Xx rick
>
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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

That sucks. The 210 cars are among the most reliable, if mundane cars Mercedes 
ever built.
Perhaps you got an extremely poorly maintained example.

I'd sell to the Minnesota guy and hang on to the money. I'd buy another S210 
when prices come down. Used cars are in a bit of a bubble, but I expect prices 
to begin to fall by autumn. For sure by thanksgiving.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: June 10, 2023 11:37 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: macj...@aol.com
Subject: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now

Folks

The 2002 E320 hovercraft wagon is really screwed up now!!

We drove it around the block last night

It had been losing a quart of water in say a 50 mile trip

On the way home last night I was fooling around and stomped the accelerator  
hard at about 10 mph and then made a hard left corner ….. immediately it 
started blowing white smoke …. And I smelled a whiff of oil …..should I put 
epoxy in the water to seal it up …. There are some systems for alleged head 
gasket repair. I know two people who successfully used it on, I think fords. 
One was a ranger and the other some ford suv …. It worked for both of them

I am more ready to dump the car … some German from Minnesota was considering it 
for $2k…. And I take a bath at that price. He said he might fix the engine or 
might put an American v8 in it !?!

Xx rick

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[MBZ] E320 hovercraft is really screwed up now

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

The 2002 E320 hovercraft wagon is really screwed up now!!

We drove it around the block last night

It had been losing a quart of water in say a 50 mile trip 

On the way home last night I was fooling around and stomped the accelerator  
hard at about 10 mph and then made a hard left corner ….. immediately it 
started blowing white smoke …. And I smelled a whiff of oil …..should I put 
epoxy in the water to seal it up …. There are some systems for alleged head 
gasket repair. I know two people who successfully used it on, I think fords. 
One was a ranger and the other some ford suv …. It worked for both of them

I am more ready to dump the car … some German from Minnesota was considering it 
for $2k…. And I take a bath at that price. He said he might fix the engine or 
might put an American v8 in it !?!

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Holy crack

On 4/27/2023 7:20 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes wrote:

Folks

I guess I have quit on the 2002 e320 hovercraft wagon ….

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/949515999560256/

Just as I say in the ad it has too much residual pressure in the cooling system 
…. I just don’t trust the thing …. It doesn’t overheat and I did do a test for 
exhaust in the water which it passed

Maybe it is a great car … but I think it is not and I think that something is 
close to catastrophic failure … who knows when

Xx rick
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[MBZ] E320 hovercraft

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

I guess I have quit on the 2002 e320 hovercraft wagon ….

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/949515999560256/

Just as I say in the ad it has too much residual pressure in the cooling system 
…. I just don’t trust the thing …. It doesn’t overheat and I did do a test for 
exhaust in the water which it passed 

Maybe it is a great car … but I think it is not and I think that something is 
close to catastrophic failure … who knows when

Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft 2002 wagon

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Get the belt tensioner from Advance Auto. The last one I got was a Litens 
(German).


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 17, 2023 5:29 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: macj...@aol.com
Subject: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft 2002 wagon

Folks,

So I removed the front pan of the E320 hovercraft 2002 wagon this afternoon.

After running the engine a while I was able to see that the water leak was 
coming from the coolant reservoir overflow. The car came with the wrong cap …. 
I ordered one and was sent a screw on plastic one … I took the cap off my 123 
wagon and it seemed to fit …. I ordered a Chinese copy of the 123 wagon cap … 
it fit but was harder to install than the 123 cap so I put that one on the 
hovercraft …. Anyway it was leaking from the overflow. When I installed the 
Chinese 123 style radiator cap the leak stopped !!! Maybe the problem is solved.

I’m going to drive it 15 miles in a day or two and see if the water loss is 
stopped. I can only hope. Now I’m going to replace the frayed serpentine belt … 
looks super easy. I will inspect the tensioner pulley  and the idler pulley and 
if they are crappy I’ll replace them with high priced Chinese copies of the 
Mercedes parts for $10 and $22 each … from the big women.

This is what I did on my dodge Mercedes sprinter and they have seemed to be 
fine for a year or so.

Xx rick

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[MBZ] E320 hovercraft 2002 wagon

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks,

So I removed the front pan of the E320 hovercraft 2002 wagon this afternoon.

After running the engine a while I was able to see that the water leak was 
coming from the coolant reservoir overflow. The car came with the wrong cap …. 
I ordered one and was sent a screw on plastic one … I took the cap off my 123 
wagon and it seemed to fit …. I ordered a Chinese copy of the 123 wagon cap … 
it fit but was harder to install than the 123 cap so I put that one on the 
hovercraft …. Anyway it was leaking from the overflow. When I installed the 
Chinese 123 style radiator cap the leak stopped !!! Maybe the problem is solved.

I’m going to drive it 15 miles in a day or two and see if the water loss is 
stopped. I can only hope. Now I’m going to replace the frayed serpentine belt … 
looks super easy. I will inspect the tensioner pulley  and the idler pulley and 
if they are crappy I’ll replace them with high priced Chinese copies of the 
Mercedes parts for $10 and $22 each … from the big women.

This is what I did on my dodge Mercedes sprinter and they have seemed to be 
fine for a year or so.

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft coolant saga

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 00:08:41 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Try pressure testing it hot?
> 
> Add UV dye to the coolant and check for leaks with a UV light?

Good ideas!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft coolant saga

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Try pressure testing it hot?

Add UV dye to the coolant and check for leaks with a UV light?

Thermostat housing?


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 16, 2023 6:21 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: macj...@aol.com
Subject: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft coolant saga


Folks

I did some more experiments

The radiator is dry and looks brand new

I idled the car for 15 minutes and SAW no leaks but it is dripping

Maybe it’s the lower radiator hose …. Can’t touch it when it’s hot or SEE it 
leaking


I guess I need to get less lazy and remove the plastic pan


Pumping up the cooling system pressure didn’t show me a leak

I will keep plugging away

I know the recovery tanks are prone to leaking and I took mine loose and didn’t 
see a leak

It was hot too

Oh, I did put a bag of some exhaust test fluid in the coolant tank and it did 
not turn dark, so maybe that is a good thing

I will solve this

Xx rick

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[MBZ] E320 hovercraft coolant saga

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

I did some more experiments

The radiator is dry and looks brand new 

I idled the car for 15 minutes and SAW no leaks but it is dripping

Maybe it’s the lower radiator hose …. Can’t touch it when it’s hot or SEE it 
leaking 


I guess I need to get less lazy and remove the plastic pan 


Pumping up the cooling system pressure didn’t show me a leak

I will keep plugging away

I know the recovery tanks are prone to leaking and I took mine loose and didn’t 
see a leak

It was hot too

Oh, I did put a bag of some exhaust test fluid in the coolant tank and it did 
not turn dark, so maybe that is a good thing

I will solve this

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft wagon coolant loss

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I missed the original post.
Are you losing coolant?
Car overheats?

Schmutz on the inside of the oil cap is common, and indicates nothing, other 
than short trips, insufficient to properly heat the oil up and burn off the 
condensation.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft wagon coolant loss

Folks,

So I prescribed the system and nada … no leaks that I could see, or see on the 
ground or hear

I did this with the car cold

I bought a $12 kit of liquid to put in a bag in the reservoir… maybe it has a 
hole …. It’s supposed to detect hydrocarbons

A big woman is supposed to bring it tomorrow

What’s an e320 wagon worth with what? A head problem? What would cause a leak

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft wagon coolant loss

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I've had leaks that only leaked when the system was hot, and the escaping 
liquid quickly evaporated so it was hard to find them.

Any scent of glycol in the exhaust? White smoke or steam?

I presume a wagon has a rear heater core, did you check for leaks along the 
length of the car and not just under/around the front?



On Sat, Apr 15, 2023, at 19:50, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes wrote:
> Folks,
>
> So I prescribed the system and nada … no leaks that I could see, or see 
> on the ground or hear
>
> I did this with the car cold
>
> I bought a $12 kit of liquid to put in a bag in the reservoir… maybe it 
> has a hole …. It’s supposed to detect hydrocarbons
>
> A big woman is supposed to bring it tomorrow
>
> What’s an e320 wagon worth with what? A head problem? What would cause a leak
>
> Xx rick
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[MBZ] E320 hovercraft wagon coolant loss

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks,

So I prescribed the system and nada … no leaks that I could see, or see on the 
ground or hear

I did this with the car cold

I bought a $12 kit of liquid to put in a bag in the reservoir… maybe it has a 
hole …. It’s supposed to detect hydrocarbons

A big woman is supposed to bring it tomorrow

What’s an e320 wagon worth with what? A head problem? What would cause a leak

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] E320 hovercraft wagon

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:54:23 -0400 RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Folks
> 
> The 2002 E320 hovercraft wagon is still losing coolant … I’m running
> water. I noticed that the reservoir smells like engine oil … is that a
> thing with these?? I borrowed one of those pump things to pressurize
> the cooling system … 15psi is safe?

Yes, 15 psi is safe.


> Should I drain and inspect the oil …. It’s not white or foamy

Try instead a test strip which shows exhaust gas in the coolant.


Craig

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[MBZ] E320 hovercraft wagon

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

The 2002 E320 hovercraft wagon is still losing coolant … I’m running water. I 
noticed that the reservoir smells like engine oil … is that a thing with 
these?? I borrowed one of those pump things to pressurize the cooling system … 
15psi is safe?

Should I drain and inspect the oil …. It’s not white or foamy

It’s a pretty nice car

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] E320 wagon with fries

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On Sat, Feb 4, 2023, at 18:54, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes wrote:

> I’m tempted to glue the chip from the 
> sprinter key to the steering column so it
> would then accept a mechanical key

Exactly what I did with the Focus. Got tired of the boy losing expensive 
chipped keys.

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Re: [MBZ] E320 wagon with fries

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

You make me laugh!! I was amazed and delighted when they worked … time will 
tell if they are reliable!!

Seriously, all of the potential problems with modern electronic ignitions give 
me nightmares …. I’m tempted to glue the chip from the sprinter key to the 
steering column so it would then accept a mechanical key

Xx rick

> On Feb 4, 2023, at 6:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> You are almost too brillian to belong to this list. You may need to be 
> promoted.
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2023, 6:07 PM RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Folks
>> 
>> The 2002 e320 wagon car came with 2 infrared fob keys …. Previous owner said 
>> one remote works … that one had no batteries but the key doesn’t …. And the 
>> working key with unknown batteries did not operate the locks …. WELL … the 
>> housings had busted off buttons so I bought two housings for $13 on land of 
>> big women and 15 cr2025 for $4.50. With some difficulty I changed the 
>> circuit boards to the new housings and even cleaned the sensor infrared 
>> lights on the end … I just received the batteries and installed them …. Lo 
>> and behold BOTH KEYS START THE CAR & BOTH REMOTES UNLOCK IT!!!  What a 
>> delight!!
>> 
>> Now I need to get some chip keys cut for my 2003 sprinter and see I I can 
>> program them as clones of my only key for that bus.
>> 
>> So much to do!L
>> 
>> Stay warm and watch out for Chinese balloons 🎈 out there!
>> 
>> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] E320 wagon with fries

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Which key housing did you buy? Many seemingly similar ones listed.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2023, at 18:15, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> You are almost too brillian to belong to this list. You may need to be
> promoted.
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2023, 6:07 PM RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Folks
>>
>> The 2002 e320 wagon car came with 2 infrared fob keys …. Previous owner
>> said one remote works … that one had no batteries but the key doesn’t ….
>> And the working key with unknown batteries did not operate the locks ….
>> WELL … the housings had busted off buttons so I bought two housings for $13
>> on land of big women and 15 cr2025 for $4.50. With some difficulty I
>> changed the circuit boards to the new housings and even cleaned the sensor
>> infrared lights on the end … I just received the batteries and installed
>> them …. Lo and behold BOTH KEYS START THE CAR & BOTH REMOTES UNLOCK IT!!!
>> What a delight!!
>>
>> Now I need to get some chip keys cut for my 2003 sprinter and see I I can
>> program them as clones of my only key for that bus.
>>
>> So much to do!L
>>
>> Stay warm and watch out for Chinese balloons 🎈 out there!
>>
>> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] E320 wagon with fries

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You are almost too brillian to belong to this list. You may need to be
promoted.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2023, 6:07 PM RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Folks
>
> The 2002 e320 wagon car came with 2 infrared fob keys …. Previous owner
> said one remote works … that one had no batteries but the key doesn’t ….
> And the working key with unknown batteries did not operate the locks ….
> WELL … the housings had busted off buttons so I bought two housings for $13
> on land of big women and 15 cr2025 for $4.50. With some difficulty I
> changed the circuit boards to the new housings and even cleaned the sensor
> infrared lights on the end … I just received the batteries and installed
> them …. Lo and behold BOTH KEYS START THE CAR & BOTH REMOTES UNLOCK IT!!!
> What a delight!!
>
> Now I need to get some chip keys cut for my 2003 sprinter and see I I can
> program them as clones of my only key for that bus.
>
> So much to do!L
>
> Stay warm and watch out for Chinese balloons 🎈 out there!
>
> Xx rick
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[MBZ] E320 wagon with fries

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

The 2002 e320 wagon car came with 2 infrared fob keys …. Previous owner said 
one remote works … that one had no batteries but the key doesn’t …. And the 
working key with unknown batteries did not operate the locks …. WELL … the 
housings had busted off buttons so I bought two housings for $13 on land of big 
women and 15 cr2025 for $4.50. With some difficulty I changed the circuit 
boards to the new housings and even cleaned the sensor infrared lights on the 
end … I just received the batteries and installed them …. Lo and behold BOTH 
KEYS START THE CAR & BOTH REMOTES UNLOCK IT!!!  What a delight!!

Now I need to get some chip keys cut for my 2003 sprinter and see I I can 
program them as clones of my only key for that bus.

So much to do!L

Stay warm and watch out for Chinese balloons 🎈 out there!

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] E320 wagon with fries photos

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Good pickup.  Good luck on sorting her out.

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] E320 with fries

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It depends on what system the car has. Some like the W163 (MLS) have an RFID 
chip, some use an infrared signal (the kind you plug in). The newer cars with 
the “keyless go” have an RFID that’s similar but different from the older keys 
with a chip and EIS. They all have limited key assignments that the system will 
recognize. The fancy computer can dig into that to see these assignments and 
what keys are active but there is some other system needed to make a new key to 
fit a reserved assignment. Apparently some services can take a real MB key and 
recode it to make it fit but a new one is factory only from what I know. 

I’ve also seen that the company that made the older keys and RFID chips is no 
longer in business but MB might have a way to make those keys but it seems to 
be kinda iffy. And pricey. 

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> On Jan 30, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I the Focus, after the last lost key, I zip-tied a key under the steering 
> column. That was close enough to the reader for the RFID to work, then I 
> could use standard $2 key blanks to make key copies to start the car. Would 
> something like that work on an MB?
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2023, at 12:00, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> They are. And there are “slots” in EIS for 8 keys. If you clone a key, 
>> it will lock out the remaining “slots” in the system, rendering EIS 
>> useless with any new keys. So in other words, each time you get a new 
>> key, it takes up the next “slot” in EIS until they’re full. If by some 
>> bizarre instance you have more than 8 keys, you have to replace EIS.
>> 
>> EIS consists of a number of assemblies like the ignition switch, and 
>> other related assemblies/modules that have to be replaced as a system 
>> under certain circumstances.
>> 
>> At least that’s the way it’s been described to me. I’ll certainly defer 
>> to anyone who knows differently.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jan 30, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My locksmith has been able to clone keys with RFID for my Ford Focus. As my 
>>> son was constantly losing keys he once even made a key without having an 
>>> original to copy from. He had some device he plugged into the OBD port in 
>>> the car and it worked some black magic to program the car to accept the key.
>>> 
>>> I've never asked him about Mercedes keys, perhaps they are more resistant 
>>> to cloning.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023, at 23:51, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
 There are some vague indications that some third party can make a new 
 key ( the electronic part)! but it’s not entirely clear. Basically a 
 dealer item if even available. 
 
 --FT
 Sent from iFōn
 
> On Jan 29, 2023, at 11:37 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Floyd and folks
> 
> I see I can get shells and keys on big women
> 
> Floyd if I get another key with electronics can you clone or program it 
> with some of your Mercedes’ electronics?
> 
> I have a thing to make some sprinter  keys … to clone them … Zed Bull it 
> is called   
> 
> If you clone you don’t have to tell the Mercedes nanny but I haven’t 
> found a locksmith to cut the keys … lately the ones I talk to act like 
> asses.
> 
> It’s raining now 
> 
> Did I send this 
> 
> Review of 2002 e320
> 
> It was the most expensive wagon in the world up to $64k
> 
> I guess I paid five cents on the $$
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.forbes.com/2002/03/25/0325test.html?sh=55ceb6c52028
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe I’ll get to drive the wagon tomorrow 
> 
> Xx rick
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] E320 with fries

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I the Focus, after the last lost key, I zip-tied a key under the steering 
column. That was close enough to the reader for the RFID to work, then I could 
use standard $2 key blanks to make key copies to start the car. Would something 
like that work on an MB?


On Mon, Jan 30, 2023, at 12:00, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> They are. And there are “slots” in EIS for 8 keys. If you clone a key, 
> it will lock out the remaining “slots” in the system, rendering EIS 
> useless with any new keys. So in other words, each time you get a new 
> key, it takes up the next “slot” in EIS until they’re full. If by some 
> bizarre instance you have more than 8 keys, you have to replace EIS.
>
> EIS consists of a number of assemblies like the ignition switch, and 
> other related assemblies/modules that have to be replaced as a system 
> under certain circumstances.
>
> At least that’s the way it’s been described to me. I’ll certainly defer 
> to anyone who knows differently.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jan 30, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My locksmith has been able to clone keys with RFID for my Ford Focus. As my 
>> son was constantly losing keys he once even made a key without having an 
>> original to copy from. He had some device he plugged into the OBD port in 
>> the car and it worked some black magic to program the car to accept the key.
>> 
>> I've never asked him about Mercedes keys, perhaps they are more resistant to 
>> cloning.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023, at 23:51, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> There are some vague indications that some third party can make a new 
>>> key ( the electronic part)! but it’s not entirely clear. Basically a 
>>> dealer item if even available. 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On Jan 29, 2023, at 11:37 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Floyd and folks
 
 I see I can get shells and keys on big women
 
 Floyd if I get another key with electronics can you clone or program it 
 with some of your Mercedes’ electronics?
 
 I have a thing to make some sprinter  keys … to clone them … Zed Bull it 
 is called   
 
 If you clone you don’t have to tell the Mercedes nanny but I haven’t found 
 a locksmith to cut the keys … lately the ones I talk to act like asses.
 
 It’s raining now 
 
 Did I send this 
 
 Review of 2002 e320
 
 It was the most expensive wagon in the world up to $64k
 
 I guess I paid five cents on the $$
 
 
 
 https://www.forbes.com/2002/03/25/0325test.html?sh=55ceb6c52028
 
 
 
 Maybe I’ll get to drive the wagon tomorrow 
 
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Re: [MBZ] E320 with fries

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

They are. And there are “slots” in EIS for 8 keys. If you clone a key, it will 
lock out the remaining “slots” in the system, rendering EIS useless with any 
new keys. So in other words, each time you get a new key, it takes up the next 
“slot” in EIS until they’re full. If by some bizarre instance you have more 
than 8 keys, you have to replace EIS.

EIS consists of a number of assemblies like the ignition switch, and other 
related assemblies/modules that have to be replaced as a system under certain 
circumstances.

At least that’s the way it’s been described to me. I’ll certainly defer to 
anyone who knows differently.

-D

> On Jan 30, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My locksmith has been able to clone keys with RFID for my Ford Focus. As my 
> son was constantly losing keys he once even made a key without having an 
> original to copy from. He had some device he plugged into the OBD port in the 
> car and it worked some black magic to program the car to accept the key.
> 
> I've never asked him about Mercedes keys, perhaps they are more resistant to 
> cloning.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023, at 23:51, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> There are some vague indications that some third party can make a new 
>> key ( the electronic part)! but it’s not entirely clear. Basically a 
>> dealer item if even available. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2023, at 11:37 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Floyd and folks
>>> 
>>> I see I can get shells and keys on big women
>>> 
>>> Floyd if I get another key with electronics can you clone or program it 
>>> with some of your Mercedes’ electronics?
>>> 
>>> I have a thing to make some sprinter  keys … to clone them … Zed Bull it is 
>>> called   
>>> 
>>> If you clone you don’t have to tell the Mercedes nanny but I haven’t found 
>>> a locksmith to cut the keys … lately the ones I talk to act like asses.
>>> 
>>> It’s raining now 
>>> 
>>> Did I send this 
>>> 
>>> Review of 2002 e320
>>> 
>>> It was the most expensive wagon in the world up to $64k
>>> 
>>> I guess I paid five cents on the $$
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.forbes.com/2002/03/25/0325test.html?sh=55ceb6c52028
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maybe I’ll get to drive the wagon tomorrow 
>>> 
>>> Xx rick
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] E320 with fries

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

My locksmith has been able to clone keys with RFID for my Ford Focus. As my son 
was constantly losing keys he once even made a key without having an original 
to copy from. He had some device he plugged into the OBD port in the car and it 
worked some black magic to program the car to accept the key.

I've never asked him about Mercedes keys, perhaps they are more resistant to 
cloning.


On Sun, Jan 29, 2023, at 23:51, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> There are some vague indications that some third party can make a new 
> key ( the electronic part)! but it’s not entirely clear. Basically a 
> dealer item if even available. 
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Jan 29, 2023, at 11:37 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Floyd and folks
>> 
>> I see I can get shells and keys on big women
>> 
>> Floyd if I get another key with electronics can you clone or program it with 
>> some of your Mercedes’ electronics?
>> 
>> I have a thing to make some sprinter  keys … to clone them … Zed Bull it is 
>> called   
>> 
>> If you clone you don’t have to tell the Mercedes nanny but I haven’t found a 
>> locksmith to cut the keys … lately the ones I talk to act like asses.
>> 
>> It’s raining now 
>> 
>> Did I send this 
>> 
>> Review of 2002 e320
>> 
>> It was the most expensive wagon in the world up to $64k
>> 
>> I guess I paid five cents on the $$
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.forbes.com/2002/03/25/0325test.html?sh=55ceb6c52028
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe I’ll get to drive the wagon tomorrow 
>> 
>> Xx rick
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] E320 with fries

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I would bite the bullet and buy a replacement from the dealer. Cloning keys is 
a dangerous thing, and if the cloned key is lost or damaged, you are done. EIS 
has to be replaced.

-D

> On Jan 29, 2023, at 11:36 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Floyd and folks
> 
> I see I can get shells and keys on big women
> 
> Floyd if I get another key with electronics can you clone or program it with 
> some of your Mercedes’ electronics?
> 
> I have a thing to make some sprinter  keys … to clone them … Zed Bull it is 
> called   
> 
> If you clone you don’t have to tell the Mercedes nanny but I haven’t found a 
> locksmith to cut the keys … lately the ones I talk to act like asses.
> 
> It’s raining now 
> 
> Did I send this 
> 
> Review of 2002 e320
> 
> It was the most expensive wagon in the world up to $64k
> 
> I guess I paid five cents on the $$
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.forbes.com/2002/03/25/0325test.html?sh=55ceb6c52028
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe I’ll get to drive the wagon tomorrow 
> 
> Xx rick
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] E320 with fries

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

There are some vague indications that some third party can make a new key ( the 
electronic part)! but it’s not entirely clear. Basically a dealer item if even 
available. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jan 29, 2023, at 11:37 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Floyd and folks
> 
> I see I can get shells and keys on big women
> 
> Floyd if I get another key with electronics can you clone or program it with 
> some of your Mercedes’ electronics?
> 
> I have a thing to make some sprinter  keys … to clone them … Zed Bull it is 
> called   
> 
> If you clone you don’t have to tell the Mercedes nanny but I haven’t found a 
> locksmith to cut the keys … lately the ones I talk to act like asses.
> 
> It’s raining now 
> 
> Did I send this 
> 
> Review of 2002 e320
> 
> It was the most expensive wagon in the world up to $64k
> 
> I guess I paid five cents on the $$
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.forbes.com/2002/03/25/0325test.html?sh=55ceb6c52028
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe I’ll get to drive the wagon tomorrow 
> 
> Xx rick
> 
> 
> 
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[MBZ] E320 with fries

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Floyd and folks

I see I can get shells and keys on big women

Floyd if I get another key with electronics can you clone or program it with 
some of your Mercedes’ electronics?

I have a thing to make some sprinter  keys … to clone them … Zed Bull it is 
called   

If you clone you don’t have to tell the Mercedes nanny but I haven’t found a 
locksmith to cut the keys … lately the ones I talk to act like asses.

It’s raining now 

Did I send this 

Review of 2002 e320

It was the most expensive wagon in the world up to $64k

I guess I paid five cents on the $$



https://www.forbes.com/2002/03/25/0325test.html?sh=55ceb6c52028



Maybe I’ll get to drive the wagon tomorrow 

Xx rick




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[MBZ] E320 overheating? 2004 Mercedes-Benz car,$1,500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Not too many things could be bad -- fan, thermostat, what else?  Car 
looks a bit banged up but could be cheap transpo with some minor fixes.  
Just hope it has been run too hot and blown the head gaskets


Runs hot will need tow

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3290724794512428

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Re: [MBZ] Gently used MBZ E320 / Freeway miles Power Sun/moon roof. 3.2l $1030 - $1, 030 (Palm Coast)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Here it is again, different ad for same car, missing the winter gear. 
Interesting it has 211 wheels, maybe the winter tires are on the 
original wheels


HAS NOT BEEN LAUNCHED.


 Gently used MBZ E320 / Freeway miles Power Sun/moon roof. 3.2l $1030 -
 $1,030(Palm Coast)

https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/d/palm-coast-gently-used-mbz-e320-freeway/7491180260.html

On 6/1/22 11:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Seems suspiciously cheap

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/cape-coral-mercedes-benz-e320-gas-saver/7491176195.html
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[MBZ] E320, looks fairly nice, price is right 2004 Mercedes-Benz E-Class, $2, 750

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

275kmi but could be decent for the price

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1584860265188255

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[MBZ] E320 station wagon 4matic 121000 2001 Mercedes-Benz E-Class, $4, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

crazy price

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/378504916918860

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Re: [MBZ] E320 (W210) cupholders

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I got a set of Kumhos for the 210 E300 right before I smashed the tree, they 
were decent and cheap from Tire Rack I think  with a $75 coupon, like $300 
installed 

--FT
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> On Apr 4, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We're taking the boy back to college after a long weekend
> at home.  The rear cupholder tray was very stuck, looked like
> residue.  I managed to liberate it completely from the rear
> armrest and gave it a bath in warm soapy water.  Much better!
> 
> The fancy front popup cupholder had stopped staying down, so
> out it came for the same treatment.  I also mopped all the old crud
> out of its well while I was at it.  Pop, coffee, hot chocolate (?), and a
> lot of corn chip chunks.  It works right now, and the cover door works
> somewhat better too.
> 
> Ready for the road!
> 
> It needs 3 new tires, I just took the Hakkapeliittas off before my wife
> went to fetch him Thursday PM.  Two are worn down, one has a small
> bubble on the side.  (Courtesy, I believe, of wretched low-profile 17"
> wheels and a curb or pothole.)  It drove great with the snows on, but
> was/is a bit twitchy with these, which came on it.  I wanted to minimize
> the 80mph freeway trips (Montana) on studded snow tires, especially
> as things are warming up, else I wouldn't have put the 'bad' tires back on.
> 
> Any good tire suggestions?  My wife prefers buying tires at Les Schwab,
> a regional chain with an excellent coverage area (for us) and very good
> customer service, but they've pretty much stopped selling anything but
> Korean tires anymore.  They used to sell other brands, I bought my first
> Hakkas there, but not anymore.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] E320 (W210) cupholders

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I go to a local place in an industrial park. They have two bays in a
warehouse, floor jacks, wrenches, and mounting and balancing
machines. They only do tires. Their work order system is post-it
notes. Super friendly, no BS, good prices.

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Costco?
>
> Tires Plus?
>
> Both of these are in my area and sell a range of brands.
>
> It seems like a lot of the national tire chains are like eyeglass places - 
> they seem to sell a fixed number of brands and sizes, and offer much the same 
> deals.
>
> -D 

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Re: [MBZ] E320 (W210) cupholders

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

> Any good tire suggestions?

I don't really geek out about tires, but I've been pretty happy with
Cooper lately. Got snows for the Volvo XC90 last fall, and just changed
them for a touring tire last week. They are a lot quieter than the Kuhmo
tires that came with that car when I bought it.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] E320 (W210) cupholders

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Costco?

Tires Plus?

Both of these are in my area and sell a range of brands.

It seems like a lot of the national tire chains are like eyeglass places - they 
seem to sell a fixed number of brands and sizes, and offer much the same deals.

-D 

> On Apr 4, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We're taking the boy back to college after a long weekend
> at home.  The rear cupholder tray was very stuck, looked like
> residue.  I managed to liberate it completely from the rear
> armrest and gave it a bath in warm soapy water.  Much better!
> 
> The fancy front popup cupholder had stopped staying down, so
> out it came for the same treatment.  I also mopped all the old crud
> out of its well while I was at it.  Pop, coffee, hot chocolate (?), and a
> lot of corn chip chunks.  It works right now, and the cover door works
> somewhat better too.
> 
> Ready for the road!
> 
> It needs 3 new tires, I just took the Hakkapeliittas off before my wife
> went to fetch him Thursday PM.  Two are worn down, one has a small
> bubble on the side.  (Courtesy, I believe, of wretched low-profile 17"
> wheels and a curb or pothole.)  It drove great with the snows on, but
> was/is a bit twitchy with these, which came on it.  I wanted to minimize
> the 80mph freeway trips (Montana) on studded snow tires, especially
> as things are warming up, else I wouldn't have put the 'bad' tires back on.
> 
> Any good tire suggestions?  My wife prefers buying tires at Les Schwab,
> a regional chain with an excellent coverage area (for us) and very good
> customer service, but they've pretty much stopped selling anything but
> Korean tires anymore.  They used to sell other brands, I bought my first
> Hakkas there, but not anymore.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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[MBZ] E320 (W210) cupholders

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

We're taking the boy back to college after a long weekend
at home.  The rear cupholder tray was very stuck, looked like
residue.  I managed to liberate it completely from the rear
armrest and gave it a bath in warm soapy water.  Much better!

The fancy front popup cupholder had stopped staying down, so
out it came for the same treatment.  I also mopped all the old crud
out of its well while I was at it.  Pop, coffee, hot chocolate (?), and a
lot of corn chip chunks.  It works right now, and the cover door works
somewhat better too.

Ready for the road!

It needs 3 new tires, I just took the Hakkapeliittas off before my wife
went to fetch him Thursday PM.  Two are worn down, one has a small
bubble on the side.  (Courtesy, I believe, of wretched low-profile 17"
wheels and a curb or pothole.)  It drove great with the snows on, but
was/is a bit twitchy with these, which came on it.  I wanted to minimize
the 80mph freeway trips (Montana) on studded snow tires, especially
as things are warming up, else I wouldn't have put the 'bad' tires back on.

Any good tire suggestions?  My wife prefers buying tires at Les Schwab,
a regional chain with an excellent coverage area (for us) and very good
customer service, but they've pretty much stopped selling anything but
Korean tires anymore.  They used to sell other brands, I bought my first
Hakkas there, but not anymore.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Remember, no negotiations at al!

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> On Jan 2, 2021, at 1:07 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Potato cam. I got the VIN from him, it's pretty well optioned. I'm
>> going to email him, and hopefully look at it (and buy it) tomorrow.
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Re: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Good luck!

Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

> Potato cam. I got the VIN from him, it's pretty well optioned. I'm
> going to email him, and hopefully look at it (and buy it) tomorrow.

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Re: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Potato cam. I got the VIN from him, it's pretty well optioned. I'm going to 
email him, and hopefully look at it (and buy it) tomorrow.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: January 1, 2021 11:48 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: astr...@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement

Some photos now, though they are pretty bad ones.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/yorkville-2004-mercedes-e320/7254561655.html

Allan

Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

> Yeah. I saw that. I emailed him, we will see.
> Just wish I had a Xentry SDS system to check it out. Or even a good scanner 
> from Autel or Actron.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: December 30, 2020 2:06 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astr...@indiana.edu
> Subject: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement
>
> No photos...
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/yorkville-2004-mercedes-e320/7254561655.html
>

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Re: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement

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Some photos now, though they are pretty bad ones.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/yorkville-2004-mercedes-e320/7254561655.html

Allan

Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

> Yeah. I saw that. I emailed him, we will see.
> Just wish I had a Xentry SDS system to check it out. Or even a good scanner 
> from Autel or Actron.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: December 30, 2020 2:06 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astr...@indiana.edu
> Subject: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement
>
> No photos...
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/yorkville-2004-mercedes-e320/7254561655.html
>

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Re: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

$150 iCarsoft does a decent job

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> On Dec 30, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah. I saw that. I emailed him, we will see.
> Just wish I had a Xentry SDS system to check it out. Or even a good scanner 
> from Autel or Actron.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: December 30, 2020 2:06 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astr...@indiana.edu
> Subject: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement
> 
> No photos...
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/yorkville-2004-mercedes-e320/7254561655.html
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Re: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yeah. I saw that. I emailed him, we will see.
Just wish I had a Xentry SDS system to check it out. Or even a good scanner 
from Autel or Actron.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement

No photos...

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/yorkville-2004-mercedes-e320/7254561655.html

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[MBZ] E320 $1,000 Just ABS reluctor rings need replacement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

No photos...

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/yorkville-2004-mercedes-e320/7254561655.html

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Re: [MBZ] E320 4Matic "Could use a good detail"

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In Pick-Way

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> On Oct 18, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/d/piqua-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-sedan/7215827237.html
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[MBZ] E320 4Matic "Could use a good detail"

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https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/d/piqua-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-sedan/7215827237.html

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Re: [MBZ] E320 $1600 FIRM AC does not blow cold

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"Runs like a German tank" = top speed is 15 mph.

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> Doesn’t look bad
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Re: [MBZ] E320 $1600 FIRM AC does not blow cold

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Doesn’t look bad 

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[MBZ] E320 $1600 FIRM AC does not blow cold

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[MBZ] E320 Crack snorter

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

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2001 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Sedan 4D

$2,000

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Re: [MBZ] E320

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The dolly idea sounds like a winner.  Less money than the professionals, and 
offers
son-training opportunities.  The V10 Dodge is rumored to know how to tow.

Son is vaguely interested in earning a few shekels helping on the tranny swap.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320

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Jim Cathey via Mercedes  wrote:
> So, since I've been offered a free ML320 hulk, which still has the tranny and 
> which was
> retired due to hitting a curb at speed and destroying the front end, it looks 
> like I have a
> story for getting Barney on the road.  Getting the hulk (which only has three 
> wheels, no
> doors, and no steering wheel) home is probably going to be the most difficult 
> part.
> At the moment I have neither my crane, nor my car trailer, to use.
> -- Jim
.
If both back wheels roll freely, rent a car tow dolly and chain the front of 
the car to it. Take along a couple of jacks and a number of blocks so you can 
jack up the front end and back the tow dolly under if after you take off the 
remaining front wheel. I'm assuming you have a pickup truck with a hitch.
Use a cross-chain configuration with the chains under the dolly and around the 
tow bar so the car can pivot slightly on the tow dolly and the chains can't 
slip and let the car slide back off the dolly. Then swing wide on turns if 
possible and take them very slowly. That sort of arrangement works well using 
cable but chains should work if you take it easy. That's what I would try, ymmv.


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Re: [MBZ] E320

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Simple solution, let your fingers do the walking and hire a roll back tow
truck, It can winch the hulk onto the flatbed and winch it off with ease.
Tow charge might be a couple hundred, but it's then a "done deal" with as
near zero stress to you as possible.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 12:32 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> I hauled a ML on my 8x16 trailer.
>
> You could rent a tow dolly, strap the front on somehow?
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > Not sure an ML320 would even fit on it, I know a pickup
> > truck will not.
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Re: [MBZ] E320

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I hauled a ML on my 8x16 trailer. 

You could rent a tow dolly, strap the front on somehow?

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> On Mar 30, 2019, at 3:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> Not sure an ML320 would even fit on it, I know a pickup
> truck will not.

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Re: [MBZ] E320

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Great information. I'm pleased Sun Valley was willing to help you when it
> was of no benefit to them.

I told them I intended to use their services, for any car I had that
was worth putting that kind of money into.  Barney is not that car.
They understood.  I'd done my homework, asked very specific
questions, so as to minimize their time involvement.

> And why do you not have your crane and your car trailer to use?

Crane's had something badly wrong with one front hub for
years now.  I basically won't move it.  Car trailer is covered
with garage contents, during our 'remodeling' project.
Not sure an ML320 would even fit on it, I know a pickup
truck will not.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320

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On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 11:47:54 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I contacted Sun Valley Mercedes Transmissions, and they said that I
> could substitute a 722.662 transmission from a 2000 ML320 directly into
> Barney, my 2001 E320 4matic which has a 722.664 transmission, doing
> nothing more than swapping the tranny/tc directly. Bolt it in and drive.

Great information. I'm pleased Sun Valley was willing to help you when it
was of no benefit to them.


> So, since I've been offered a free ML320 hulk ...

Great!


> Getting the hulk (which only has three wheels, no doors, and no
> steering wheel) home is probably going to be the most difficult part.
> At the moment I have neither my crane, nor my car trailer, to use.

And why do you not have your crane and your car trailer to use?


Craig

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[MBZ] E320

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I contacted Sun Valley Mercedes Transmissions, and they said that I could 
substitute
a 722.662 transmission from a 2000 ML320 directly into Barney, my 2001 E320 
4matic
which has a 722.664 transmission, doing nothing more than swapping the 
tranny/tc directly.
Bolt it in and drive.

So, since I've been offered a free ML320 hulk, which still has the tranny and 
which was
retired due to hitting a curb at speed and destroying the front end, it looks 
like I have a
story for getting Barney on the road.  Getting the hulk (which only has three 
wheels, no
doors, and no steering wheel) home is probably going to be the most difficult 
part.
At the moment I have neither my crane, nor my car trailer, to use.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] E320's

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I picked up the plates for the E320 today.  Going up for sale there was a 2000 
E320 4WD wagon,
silver w/199kmi.  They offered me a finder's fee if I sent them a buyer.  They 
also offered me a free
4wd tranny from a 2000 ML320.  I know they're not quite the same thing, but I'm 
wondering if a
valve body swap would take care of that difference...

(It's possible the tranny is attached to a car body.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320

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It’s not worth doing it yourself.  BBA Reman does a complete cluster rebuild 
for about $110 plus shipping. I had the one in my 2002 W210 done as the display 
was dropping pixels. Turned it around in a day or two and replaced all sorts of 
stuff in it such as all the lamps, too.

-D


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> Anybody done LCD repair in the W210 instrument cluster?  I destroyed the two 
> side cables
> on mine yesterday.  I've ordered replacement cables, but installation 
> looks tricky.
> 
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[MBZ] E320

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Anybody done LCD repair in the W210 instrument cluster?  I destroyed the two 
side cables
on mine yesterday.  I've ordered replacement cables, but installation looks 
tricky.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] E320 bad tranny

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Probably just needs a conductor plate 

That's what I thought, about Barney.  Wasn't.

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Re: [MBZ] E320 bad tranny

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That's what I was thinking, wonder what he would take for the whole 
thing, not that I am going to get it since I am somewhat incapacitated 
at the moment...


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On 1/2/19 12:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Probably just needs a conductor plate

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$700

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/north-charleston-parting-out/6784647742.html

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Re: [MBZ] E320 bad tranny

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Probably just needs a conductor plate 

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> $700
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[MBZ] E320 bad tranny

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

$700

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Re: [MBZ] E320 question (1998)

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One of them is.  There are two others.

-D

> On Apr 23, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Is the E320 fuse box easily accessible under the hood on the firewall -
> driver's side?
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>> I'd have to check the fuse diagram tomorrow, but I bet he poked a coin
>> down in to where he shorted out the socket and popped the fuse.
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Re: [MBZ] E320 question (1998)

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Is the E320 fuse box easily accessible under the hood on the firewall -
driver's side?

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> down in to where he shorted out the socket and popped the fuse.
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Re: [MBZ] E320 question (1998)

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I'd have to check the fuse diagram tomorrow, but I bet he poked a coin down in 
to where he shorted out the socket and popped the fuse.

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[MBZ] E320 question (1998)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My friend messed up his E320 cigarette lighter, poking the cavity with a
toothpick to retrieve a small object.  Now it won't work at all so he can't
charge his phone while driving.  Has anyone BTDT or know how to fix this?
Replace the ash tray?  I doubt it's a fuse since everything else works.  I
would tackle this myself but he lives across the river.
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Re: [MBZ] E320 winter beater?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Yesterday I put the transmission oil in the car, started it, and checked
for leaks. Nothing that I could see. I put the car in gear, and it was
UN-happy. The stability control system doesn't like free-wheeling, and got
angry and started hitting brakes, etc. trying to keep all four wheels
rolling together. It seemed to have at least a bit of power when I had it
fight the brakes, so we lowered the car and went for a test drive. It
worked great, at least at first. We went up the icy hill to start, and the
traction control system was doing its thing. We went down and the ABS
worked when I tested it. Off we went down the main road, and it was clear
that the transmission was not shifting, so it was probably stuck in the 2&R
limp-home mode. That's OK, we probably just need to clear the codes, but
when we turned around to go back, slightly uphill, it decoupled, and the
whine was back. If I restarted the car I could get it to go for a little
bit before it got upset and decoupled again, and we'd roll to a stop. We
were able to limp nearly home before even that stopped working, so Daniel
and I just got the truck and the tow strap and dragged it the rest of the
way. This is extremely disheartening!

If I understand correctly, this is exactly what it was doing for the
previous owner.

...Later in the evening I did the adaptive transmission reset (key on,
floored for 5 seconds, key off and wait quietly until the dash lights all
go out, about 2 minutes) and was able to start the car and move it into its
proper place. It was still whining, though.  Not Good.

-- Jim
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