Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I think the major success our gummint is giving us today is that the VA 
will transgenderize any veteran who want it. I think that signifies they 
are all caught up on critical veteran care cases.


--JC


On 6/6/16 12:22 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Roger wrote:

...Without the availability of the drugs, there would be no users.

Apply Root Cause Analysis to prohibition.
Did Prohibition solve problems it intended to solve?
Root Cause Analysis for these social problems might make revolt
happen.  The natives want an out and the least expensive out is some
ham-handed pills or herb.
Root Cause Analysis probably gave us Iran-Contra 30-years ago and all
the fabulous government we have today.  FAA - yeah, how's that
working?  Education - how's that working?  Commerce - how's that
working?  Separation of Powers - how's that working?  Every agency of
government proceeds to total corruption.  Again, The Law by Frederic
Bastiat shows the Root Cause Analysis very accurately.
What is the phrase? - We have the government we want and deserve?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Grant wrote:
> The "War on Drugs" started under LBJ.. if I recall correctly.. sooo..
> some 40+ years into that "War" and some un-counted billions of tax payer
> dollars..

Really, all wars are bankers wars.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Roger wrote:
> ...Without the availability of the drugs, there would be no users.

Apply Root Cause Analysis to prohibition.
Did Prohibition solve problems it intended to solve?
Root Cause Analysis for these social problems might make revolt
happen.  The natives want an out and the least expensive out is some
ham-handed pills or herb.
Root Cause Analysis probably gave us Iran-Contra 30-years ago and all
the fabulous government we have today.  FAA - yeah, how's that
working?  Education - how's that working?  Commerce - how's that
working?  Separation of Powers - how's that working?  Every agency of
government proceeds to total corruption.  Again, The Law by Frederic
Bastiat shows the Root Cause Analysis very accurately.
What is the phrase? - We have the government we want and deserve?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> How would you feel about Mexicans sending drones up here to wipe out the drug 
> users?

Nice!
+1
Trump builds a wall, Mexico flys drones to nuke users.
I will set up the kickstarter campaign today.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

I'll tell you the same as I've told others. I used to smoke for 18 years, but I 
haven't smoked for about 30 years. I would still rather meet a driver under the 
influence of a Camel than alcohol or drugs (of any type). But you can buy the 
alcohol in many forms and now get MJ in CO and other places as it's really OK 
and not harmful. I spoke with an IRS agent from Miami who had been a police 
detective before getting out and joining the IRS. He said we'll never solve the 
drug problem as long as the judges on the bench are former members of law firms 
that represent the drug dealers. 
Yes, lots of taxpayer dollars have gone to fight drugs but are we really 
fighting to win? Just like all the money that goes to protect our southern 
border, but is the gov't. really trying to solve the problem? Yes, prohibition 
didn't work, but it was a far different time than today. But for the millions 
of my fellow citizens who chose NOT to become alcoholics or drug addicts, I'd 
say we aren't trying hard enough and we continually make excuses for others. 
Smoking is an addiction while alcoholism is a disease, etc. etc. 
I didn't comment on this to start some running debate. We can agree to disagree 
on issues. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Interesting proposition.  Demand-side mitigation.

--JC


On 6/5/16 1:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

How would you feel about Mexicans sending drones up here to wipe out the drug 
users?
-Curt

   From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
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Cc: roger...@comcast.net
  Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 9:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

  If the US gov't. wanted to do something, it would send drones into Mexico to wipe out the drug cartels.



   
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Why is marijuana illegal and alcohol legal?


It's not!  YMMV.  :-)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

With hash I'd say all bets are off, its also difficult to say what something 
has been adulterated with. This was also true of alcohol during the prohibition 
years...
I was an RA my last year in college and at that time we used to quote the 10:1 
rule, its easier to deal with 10 Mary Jane residents than one drunk.
-Curt

  From: Greg Fiorentino 
 To: 'Curt Raymond' ; 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
 
 Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:16 PM
 Subject: RE: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story
   
I generally agree with you Curt, but although pot seems to mellow most people, 
what about the assassins? They allegedly would get stoned on hashish before 
committing their murders. Also, Michael Brown of Ferguson infamy was stoned 
when he attacked the convenience store owner and then tried to grab the cop's 
sidearm.

Having seen this "war" from the inside (of law enforcement) I know that there 
is no doubt that it was a terrible loss and a waste of lives and resources.

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond 
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Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 1:13 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Precisely...
Why is marijuana illegal and alcohol legal? Makes zero sense. Nobody gets high 
and gets into fights, or robs somebody or beats their wife.
For years I've said we needed an instant test for THC so people could be 
checked for driving while high but considering recent doubts about the accuracy 
of breathalyzer testing I'm not so sure it would matter.
Also consider the number of people in the slammer for minor drug violations 
that will have difficulty with employment their entire lives because they've 
got a felony conviction...
-Curt



   
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I generally agree with you Curt, but although pot seems to mellow most people, 
what about the assassins? They allegedly would get stoned on hashish before 
committing their murders. Also, Michael Brown of Ferguson infamy was stoned 
when he attacked the convenience store owner and then tried to grab the cop's 
sidearm.

Having seen this "war" from the inside (of law enforcement) I know that there 
is no doubt that it was a terrible loss and a waste of lives and resources.

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond 
via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 1:13 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Precisely...
Why is marijuana illegal and alcohol legal? Makes zero sense. Nobody gets high 
and gets into fights, or robs somebody or beats their wife.
For years I've said we needed an instant test for THC so people could be 
checked for driving while high but considering recent doubts about the accuracy 
of breathalyzer testing I'm not so sure it would matter.
Also consider the number of people in the slammer for minor drug violations 
that will have difficulty with employment their entire lives because they've 
got a felony conviction...
-Curt

  From: G Mann 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 4:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story
   
The "War on Drugs" started under LBJ.. if I recall correctly.. sooo.. some 
40+ years into that "War" and some un-counted billions of tax payer dollars..

Who is winning?


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On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yeah right, nobody would do drugs if there was no supply, that worked so well 
during prohibition...
-Curt

  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
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Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 3:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Curt,
>>>How would you feel about Mexicans sending drones up here to wipe out the 
>>>drug users?
>>>-Curt

Curt, I'd be fine with that. But it would not be necessary if we stopped the 
drug production and illegal entry into the US. From my business process days, I 
see it as Root Cause Analysis. The root cause is the production and 
distribution of the drugs. Without the availability of the drugs, there would 
be no users. Maybe that seems too simple, but that's my view and as always, you 
are welcome to yours. After all, the users who can't quit could still go to 
Colorado and get a "Rocky Mountain High" :-))
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story -- now drogas

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

A guy I know who goes to AA 3-4x/wk was telling me yesterday that a 
coupla years ago most of the people at the meetings were over 30, most 
in 40s and 50s.  He says that now more than half are white kids under 
30, early 20s, who are fighting heroin addiction.  He says it has become 
the drug of choice now among the HS kids at one of the more upscale HSs 
in town, the ones at his meeting all went there.  Stuff is cheap and 
plentiful, appears to be coming in across the southern border from the 
ME, the ISIS and AQ boys are supplying the Mex cartels with cheap 
product, everybody making money off it.


--JC


On 6/5/16 4:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Precisely...
Why is marijuana illegal and alcohol legal? Makes zero sense. Nobody gets high 
and gets into fights, or robs somebody or beats their wife.
For years I've said we needed an instant test for THC so people could be 
checked for driving while high but considering recent doubts about the accuracy 
of breathalyzer testing I'm not so sure it would matter.
Also consider the number of people in the slammer for minor drug violations 
that will have difficulty with employment their entire lives because they've 
got a felony conviction...
-Curt

   From: G Mann 
  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

  Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 4:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

The "War on Drugs" started under LBJ.. if I recall correctly.. sooo.. some 40+ years into that "War" and some un-counted billions of tax payer dollars..


Who is winning?


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On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yeah right, nobody would do drugs if there was no supply, that worked so well 
during prohibition...
-Curt

   From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
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Cc: roger...@comcast.net
  Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 3:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Curt,

How would you feel about Mexicans sending drones up here to wipe out the drug 
users?
-Curt

Curt, I'd be fine with that. But it would not be necessary if we stopped the drug 
production and illegal entry into the US. From my business process days, I see it as Root 
Cause Analysis. The root cause is the production and distribution of the drugs. Without 
the availability of the drugs, there would be no users. Maybe that seems too simple, but 
that's my view and as always, you are welcome to yours. After all, the users who can't 
quit could still go to Colorado and get a "Rocky Mountain High" :-))
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Precisely...
Why is marijuana illegal and alcohol legal? Makes zero sense. Nobody gets high 
and gets into fights, or robs somebody or beats their wife.
For years I've said we needed an instant test for THC so people could be 
checked for driving while high but considering recent doubts about the accuracy 
of breathalyzer testing I'm not so sure it would matter.
Also consider the number of people in the slammer for minor drug violations 
that will have difficulty with employment their entire lives because they've 
got a felony conviction...
-Curt

  From: G Mann 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 4:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story
   
The "War on Drugs" started under LBJ.. if I recall correctly.. sooo.. some 
40+ years into that "War" and some un-counted billions of tax payer dollars..

Who is winning?


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On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yeah right, nobody would do drugs if there was no supply, that worked so well 
during prohibition...
-Curt

      From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
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Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 3:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Curt,
>>>How would you feel about Mexicans sending drones up here to wipe out the 
>>>drug users?
>>>-Curt

Curt, I'd be fine with that. But it would not be necessary if we stopped the 
drug production and illegal entry into the US. From my business process days, I 
see it as Root Cause Analysis. The root cause is the production and 
distribution of the drugs. Without the availability of the drugs, there would 
be no users. Maybe that seems too simple, but that's my view and as always, you 
are welcome to yours. After all, the users who can't quit could still go to 
Colorado and get a "Rocky Mountain High" :-))
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

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The "War on Drugs" started under LBJ.. if I recall correctly.. sooo..
some 40+ years into that "War" and some un-counted billions of tax payer
dollars..

Who is winning?

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On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah right, nobody would do drugs if there was no supply, that worked so
> well during prohibition...
> -Curt
>
>   From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
>  Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 3:28 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story
>
> Curt,
> >>>How would you feel about Mexicans sending drones up here to wipe out
> the drug users?
> >>>-Curt
>
> Curt, I'd be fine with that. But it would not be necessary if we stopped
> the drug production and illegal entry into the US. From my business process
> days, I see it as Root Cause Analysis. The root cause is the production and
> distribution of the drugs. Without the availability of the drugs, there
> would be no users. Maybe that seems too simple, but that's my view and as
> always, you are welcome to yours. After all, the users who can't quit could
> still go to Colorado and get a "Rocky Mountain High" :-))
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah right, nobody would do drugs if there was no supply, that worked so well 
during prohibition...
-Curt

  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 3:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story
   
Curt, 
>>>How would you feel about Mexicans sending drones up here to wipe out the 
>>>drug users? 
>>>-Curt 

Curt, I'd be fine with that. But it would not be necessary if we stopped the 
drug production and illegal entry into the US. From my business process days, I 
see it as Root Cause Analysis. The root cause is the production and 
distribution of the drugs. Without the availability of the drugs, there would 
be no users. Maybe that seems too simple, but that's my view and as always, you 
are welcome to yours. After all, the users who can't quit could still go to 
Colorado and get a "Rocky Mountain High" :-)) 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curt, 
>>>How would you feel about Mexicans sending drones up here to wipe out the 
>>>drug users? 
>>>-Curt 

Curt, I'd be fine with that. But it would not be necessary if we stopped the 
drug production and illegal entry into the US. From my business process days, I 
see it as Root Cause Analysis. The root cause is the production and 
distribution of the drugs. Without the availability of the drugs, there would 
be no users. Maybe that seems too simple, but that's my view and as always, you 
are welcome to yours. After all, the users who can't quit could still go to 
Colorado and get a "Rocky Mountain High" :-)) 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How would you feel about Mexicans sending drones up here to wipe out the drug 
users?
-Curt

  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
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Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 9:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story
   
 If the US gov't. wanted to do something, it would send drones into Mexico to 
wipe out the drug cartels. 


  
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story -- RE

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Have you ever eaten commercial Pemmican from a tiny gourmet cat food-sized
can?  It feeds a dozen people and tastes DISGUSTING.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Joel Cairo 
wrote:

> And sometimes a bit salty
>
> --JC
>
> On 6/4/16 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> I wish I could narrate like you.  Your prose is like pemmican - all
> nutrition, no filler.
>
> This is meant to be a compliment, BTW.
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> When we bought our house in Melrose (outside of Boston) it was a complete
>> wreck.  The old Irish couple had 9 or 10 kids of their own and had kept
>> 20some foster kids over the years.  They were all pretty much losers.  4 or
>> 5 of them were still living in the house with them, 18-31yo.  The daughter,
>> who was a real prize, lived in an upstairs back bedroom with a piece of
>> plywood hinged at the top for a door, like a dog door.  Ol Frank had warned
>> us she was up there when we went to look at the house, "She's a f'n pig"
>> was how he described her.  Nice. (He was correct BTW)
>>
>> So anyway we buy the place, I knew what I was getting in to, would be a
>> good fixer-upper, good price for the town and neighborhood.  So we do the
>> closing one afternoon, it is a stormy day, thunderstorms and raining hard.
>> Frank tells us that one of the kids left some furniture on the front porch,
>> will pick them up in a day or two.  Fine.  Frank and his prize wife (who
>> could peel paint with her screeching) got a small apt nearby, out from
>> under the kids finally after 35 years or whatever.
>>
>> So we get to the house, raining like hell.  Walk onto the (closed-in)
>> front porch, and there is a kid passed out on a couch.  h.  So I go
>> over and kick the couch, trying to stir him up, no motion.  Do that a
>> couple more times, shake him by the shoulder, nothing.  Holy shiite we are
>> thinking the kid has ODed and is dead or something but he finally starts to
>> stir, his eyes open and the pupils are blown, very clearly high as a kite.
>> We keep trying to stir him, he finally sits up and looks around, kinda
>> woozie and unstable, then manages to stand and stumble out into the storm
>> and off down the street.  OK, Frank left the youngest there, no place to
>> go.  Nice.
>>
>> We go inside and some of his crap is in there, sleeping bag and a few
>> clothes and a candle, he had managed to climb into a window and was camping
>> out.  I put all of it on the porch, I guess they came and got it the next
>> day or two.  Never saw that kid, but Frank had owned the cab company in
>> town for quite awhile until the kids ran it into the ground (and took a
>> brand new cab to a lake in NH to go ice fishing, the cab crashed through
>> the ice and sunk), but the oldest one, who was actually sorta decent, still
>> drove a cab and he would take me to the airport occasionally and I would
>> get stories about Frank and the fam from him which were always
>> entertaining.  He had no idea what had happened to the one left behind.
>>
>> --JC
>>
>>
>> On 6/4/16 9:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> The only thing I see that could have been a problem is letting the buyer
>>> store their cars there. It can be a bad idea to let buyers move stuff in
>>> before closing because in general you would be responsible for their items.
>>> Most common thing is buyers will sometimes want to store furniture or
>>> something in the garage before close. Probably not a problem most of the
>>> time but could potential turn into one.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:08 PM, Craig via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:41:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
  wrote:

 Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually
> 6% here.
>
 Commission rate here is 3%/3%. We had the house listed on Zillow for
 $364,500.

 The first agent who brought someone by started her presentation by
 saying, "You're not going to be happy about this." She ended up
 presenting an offer for $310,000 from some people who needed to move in
 quickly so they could get set up to foster children. The things she
 related they said just didn't make sense, so we hesitated. Then the
 husband of the couple who wanted to buy it contacted me directly. His
 contacts put us off even more. We finally told him we did not want to
 sell to him.

 The second couple who wanted to buy our house found it by the sign I had
 put out in front. They were a Chinese couple who came through the house
 three times with her parents, who spoke no English. The four of them
 walked through the house jabbering to each other in Chinese. One time,
 the husband asked me what was the lowest price I would take. I told him
 if they didn't use a real estate agent, I would require $330,000. If
 they
 used a

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story -- RE

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

And sometimes a bit salty

--JC


On 6/4/16 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I wish I could narrate like you.  Your prose is like pemmican - all 
nutrition, no filler.


This is meant to be a compliment, BTW.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


When we bought our house in Melrose (outside of Boston) it was a
complete wreck.  The old Irish couple had 9 or 10 kids of their
own and had kept 20some foster kids over the years. They were all
pretty much losers.  4 or 5 of them were still living in the house
with them, 18-31yo.  The daughter, who was a real prize, lived in
an upstairs back bedroom with a piece of plywood hinged at the top
for a door, like a dog door.  Ol Frank had warned us she was up
there when we went to look at the house, "She's a f'n pig" was how
he described her.  Nice. (He was correct BTW)

So anyway we buy the place, I knew what I was getting in to, would
be a good fixer-upper, good price for the town and neighborhood. 
So we do the closing one afternoon, it is a stormy day,

thunderstorms and raining hard.  Frank tells us that one of the
kids left some furniture on the front porch, will pick them up in
a day or two.  Fine.  Frank and his prize wife (who could peel
paint with her screeching) got a small apt nearby, out from under
the kids finally after 35 years or whatever.

So we get to the house, raining like hell.  Walk onto the
(closed-in) front porch, and there is a kid passed out on a
couch.  h.  So I go over and kick the couch, trying to stir
him up, no motion.  Do that a couple more times, shake him by the
shoulder, nothing.  Holy shiite we are thinking the kid has ODed
and is dead or something but he finally starts to stir, his eyes
open and the pupils are blown, very clearly high as a kite.  We
keep trying to stir him, he finally sits up and looks around,
kinda woozie and unstable, then manages to stand and stumble out
into the storm and off down the street.  OK, Frank left the
youngest there, no place to go.  Nice.

We go inside and some of his crap is in there, sleeping bag and a
few clothes and a candle, he had managed to climb into a window
and was camping out.  I put all of it on the porch, I guess they
came and got it the next day or two.  Never saw that kid, but
Frank had owned the cab company in town for quite awhile until the
kids ran it into the ground (and took a brand new cab to a lake in
NH to go ice fishing, the cab crashed through the ice and sunk),
but the oldest one, who was actually sorta decent, still drove a
cab and he would take me to the airport occasionally and I would
get stories about Frank and the fam from him which were always
entertaining.  He had no idea what had happened to the one left
behind.

--JC


On 6/4/16 9:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

The only thing I see that could have been a problem is letting
the buyer store their cars there. It can be a bad idea to let
buyers move stuff in before closing because in general you
would be responsible for their items. Most common thing is
buyers will sometimes want to store furniture or something in
the garage before close. Probably not a problem most of the
time but could potential turn into one.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:08 PM, Craig via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:41:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via
Mercedes"
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings
there?  Its usually
6% here.

Commission rate here is 3%/3%. We had the house listed on
Zillow for
$364,500.

The first agent who brought someone by started her
presentation by
saying, "You're not going to be happy about this." She
ended up
presenting an offer for $310,000 from some people who
needed to move in
quickly so they could get set up to foster children. The
things she
related they said just didn't make sense, so we hesitated.
Then the
husband of the couple who wanted to buy it contacted me
directly. His
contacts put us off even more. We finally told him we did
not want to
sell to him.

The second couple who wanted to buy our house found it by
the sign I had
put out in front. They were a Chinese couple who came
through the house
three times with her parents, who spoke no English. The
four of them
walked through the house jabbering to

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hear Hear!   (whapping can on wood floor for emphasis)


rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
June 4, 2016 at 8:24 AMvia Postbox 

Guys, please stop with the bleeding hearts for the Mexicans. Have you 
calculated what they cost taxpaying citizens of the USA?
1. They use the emergency room and get free health care, while you 
wait for them to get treated.
2. Our schools, gov't. , etc. have to print signs, paperwork, 
interpreters, etc. to have Spanish available because unlike decades 
past, they don't want to assimilate.
3. Their illegal activities tie up our law enforcement, court systems, 
and prisons. Not to mention our weak INS.
4. They claim 8, 10, 12 dependents so they pay little or no taxes. 
I've seen it.
5. They undercut pricing for jobs taking them away from US citizens, 
especially in construction, lawn care, etc. I've seen this firsthand 
as well.

6. I could go on.
So, if you want to bleed your heart about something, bleed it for the 
US taxpayers who have supported all of these free loading, law 
breakers for decades now and watched our society go to crap. If the US 
gov't. wanted to do something, it would send drones into Mexico to 
wipe out the drug cartels. Then, Mexicans could feel safe to stay home 
and support their own economy.

Just my .02, as always, you can have your .02.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story -- RE

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wish I could narrate like you.  Your prose is like pemmican - all
nutrition, no filler.

This is meant to be a compliment, BTW.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When we bought our house in Melrose (outside of Boston) it was a complete
> wreck.  The old Irish couple had 9 or 10 kids of their own and had kept
> 20some foster kids over the years.  They were all pretty much losers.  4 or
> 5 of them were still living in the house with them, 18-31yo.  The daughter,
> who was a real prize, lived in an upstairs back bedroom with a piece of
> plywood hinged at the top for a door, like a dog door.  Ol Frank had warned
> us she was up there when we went to look at the house, "She's a f'n pig"
> was how he described her.  Nice. (He was correct BTW)
>
> So anyway we buy the place, I knew what I was getting in to, would be a
> good fixer-upper, good price for the town and neighborhood.  So we do the
> closing one afternoon, it is a stormy day, thunderstorms and raining hard.
> Frank tells us that one of the kids left some furniture on the front porch,
> will pick them up in a day or two.  Fine.  Frank and his prize wife (who
> could peel paint with her screeching) got a small apt nearby, out from
> under the kids finally after 35 years or whatever.
>
> So we get to the house, raining like hell.  Walk onto the (closed-in)
> front porch, and there is a kid passed out on a couch.  h.  So I go
> over and kick the couch, trying to stir him up, no motion.  Do that a
> couple more times, shake him by the shoulder, nothing.  Holy shiite we are
> thinking the kid has ODed and is dead or something but he finally starts to
> stir, his eyes open and the pupils are blown, very clearly high as a kite.
> We keep trying to stir him, he finally sits up and looks around, kinda
> woozie and unstable, then manages to stand and stumble out into the storm
> and off down the street.  OK, Frank left the youngest there, no place to
> go.  Nice.
>
> We go inside and some of his crap is in there, sleeping bag and a few
> clothes and a candle, he had managed to climb into a window and was camping
> out.  I put all of it on the porch, I guess they came and got it the next
> day or two.  Never saw that kid, but Frank had owned the cab company in
> town for quite awhile until the kids ran it into the ground (and took a
> brand new cab to a lake in NH to go ice fishing, the cab crashed through
> the ice and sunk), but the oldest one, who was actually sorta decent, still
> drove a cab and he would take me to the airport occasionally and I would
> get stories about Frank and the fam from him which were always
> entertaining.  He had no idea what had happened to the one left behind.
>
> --JC
>
>
> On 6/4/16 9:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> The only thing I see that could have been a problem is letting the buyer
>> store their cars there. It can be a bad idea to let buyers move stuff in
>> before closing because in general you would be responsible for their items.
>> Most common thing is buyers will sometimes want to store furniture or
>> something in the garage before close. Probably not a problem most of the
>> time but could potential turn into one.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:08 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:41:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually
 6% here.

>>> Commission rate here is 3%/3%. We had the house listed on Zillow for
>>> $364,500.
>>>
>>> The first agent who brought someone by started her presentation by
>>> saying, "You're not going to be happy about this." She ended up
>>> presenting an offer for $310,000 from some people who needed to move in
>>> quickly so they could get set up to foster children. The things she
>>> related they said just didn't make sense, so we hesitated. Then the
>>> husband of the couple who wanted to buy it contacted me directly. His
>>> contacts put us off even more. We finally told him we did not want to
>>> sell to him.
>>>
>>> The second couple who wanted to buy our house found it by the sign I had
>>> put out in front. They were a Chinese couple who came through the house
>>> three times with her parents, who spoke no English. The four of them
>>> walked through the house jabbering to each other in Chinese. One time,
>>> the husband asked me what was the lowest price I would take. I told him
>>> if they didn't use a real estate agent, I would require $330,000. If they
>>> used an agent, I would require $340,000.
>>>
>>> Their agent brought their offer over for $310,000, with a 3% commission,
>>> plus the gross receipts tax on top of that. We said no.
>>>
>>> The couple came over again, this time to present their sob story and
>>> plead with us to sell it to them for their price. The wife said she was a
>>> light sleeper and the forced-air heat system made too mu

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 09:02:32 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

> ATTABOY!
> 
> Wilton

Thank you, Wilton.


Craig

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[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

When we bought our house in Melrose (outside of Boston) it was a 
complete wreck.  The old Irish couple had 9 or 10 kids of their own and 
had kept 20some foster kids over the years.  They were all pretty much 
losers.  4 or 5 of them were still living in the house with them, 
18-31yo.  The daughter, who was a real prize, lived in an upstairs back 
bedroom with a piece of plywood hinged at the top for a door, like a dog 
door.  Ol Frank had warned us she was up there when we went to look at 
the house, "She's a f'n pig" was how he described her.  Nice. (He was 
correct BTW)


So anyway we buy the place, I knew what I was getting in to, would be a 
good fixer-upper, good price for the town and neighborhood.  So we do 
the closing one afternoon, it is a stormy day, thunderstorms and raining 
hard.  Frank tells us that one of the kids left some furniture on the 
front porch, will pick them up in a day or two.  Fine.  Frank and his 
prize wife (who could peel paint with her screeching) got a small apt 
nearby, out from under the kids finally after 35 years or whatever.


So we get to the house, raining like hell.  Walk onto the (closed-in) 
front porch, and there is a kid passed out on a couch.  h.  So I go 
over and kick the couch, trying to stir him up, no motion.  Do that a 
couple more times, shake him by the shoulder, nothing.  Holy shiite we 
are thinking the kid has ODed and is dead or something but he finally 
starts to stir, his eyes open and the pupils are blown, very clearly 
high as a kite.  We keep trying to stir him, he finally sits up and 
looks around, kinda woozie and unstable, then manages to stand and 
stumble out into the storm and off down the street.  OK, Frank left the 
youngest there, no place to go.  Nice.


We go inside and some of his crap is in there, sleeping bag and a few 
clothes and a candle, he had managed to climb into a window and was 
camping out.  I put all of it on the porch, I guess they came and got it 
the next day or two.  Never saw that kid, but Frank had owned the cab 
company in town for quite awhile until the kids ran it into the ground 
(and took a brand new cab to a lake in NH to go ice fishing, the cab 
crashed through the ice and sunk), but the oldest one, who was actually 
sorta decent, still drove a cab and he would take me to the airport 
occasionally and I would get stories about Frank and the fam from him 
which were always entertaining.  He had no idea what had happened to the 
one left behind.


--JC


On 6/4/16 9:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

The only thing I see that could have been a problem is letting the buyer store 
their cars there. It can be a bad idea to let buyers move stuff in before 
closing because in general you would be responsible for their items. Most 
common thing is buyers will sometimes want to store furniture or something in 
the garage before close. Probably not a problem most of the time but could 
potential turn into one.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:08 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:41:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually
6% here.

Commission rate here is 3%/3%. We had the house listed on Zillow for
$364,500.

The first agent who brought someone by started her presentation by
saying, "You're not going to be happy about this." She ended up
presenting an offer for $310,000 from some people who needed to move in
quickly so they could get set up to foster children. The things she
related they said just didn't make sense, so we hesitated. Then the
husband of the couple who wanted to buy it contacted me directly. His
contacts put us off even more. We finally told him we did not want to
sell to him.

The second couple who wanted to buy our house found it by the sign I had
put out in front. They were a Chinese couple who came through the house
three times with her parents, who spoke no English. The four of them
walked through the house jabbering to each other in Chinese. One time,
the husband asked me what was the lowest price I would take. I told him
if they didn't use a real estate agent, I would require $330,000. If they
used an agent, I would require $340,000.

Their agent brought their offer over for $310,000, with a 3% commission,
plus the gross receipts tax on top of that. We said no.

The couple came over again, this time to present their sob story and
plead with us to sell it to them for their price. The wife said she was a
light sleeper and the forced-air heat system made too much noise, so they
would have to change it to a hydronic system, which would cost more than
$25,000. She really tried to put a guilt trip on us. Note, though, that
the house is built on a slab. We again said, "NO!"

A few months later, an older couple stopped by to inquire about the
house. When I showed them around the house, the husband remarked how
quiet the heating system was. They lived down the mesa about a 

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Minimum 90 days, they told us.  It went just about to that point.  The whole 
thing cratered because the seller had a renter in the house on a handshake 
deal, and she lawyered up and refused to move.  In Florida that’s a minimum 45 
days before anything can happen.  She tried to extort $5000 from us to move.  
We told her to piss off.

This was also a classic example of why we hate real estate agents.  The 
seller’s agent tried to pull dual agency on us.  It’s legal here, but frowned 
upon.  She slipped a buyer’s agreement into the paperwork to sign for the 
purchase contract.  When we refused to sign the buyer’s agreement she refused 
to speak to us after that and would only talk to our attorney. Had we not read 
the paperwork and seen what she was trying to do (snag both sides of the 
commission) we would have ended up paying her fee even though we were buyers.

Another reason why a real estate attorney is crucial when buying real estate.  
He caught it as well.  His fee was far, far less than the buyer’s commission 
would have been.

Dan



> On Jun 4, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Trying to buy s short sale can't be a bitch. It's all up to the banks and I 
> have seen them take months to decide if they want to take your offer, then 
> they may take it and all the sudden change their minds right at the end. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Trying to buy s short sale can't be a bitch. It's all up to the banks and I 
have seen them take months to decide if they want to take your offer, then they 
may take it and all the sudden change their minds right at the end. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We had just come off a failed short sale when we made the offer on this 
> property.  We were so wiped out/pissed off over the short sale that we pretty 
> much because ruthless as we looked for the next property.  Our attitude was 
> to “take no prisoners”, and since it was a buyer’s market, we knew we had the 
> upper hand.
> 
> It’s totally opposite that around here now.  Places that are priced fairly 
> are sold the first few days they’re on the market.  To make things worse, 
> there are a lot of institutional investors still in our market, buying up 
> homes to turn them into rentals.  They’re paying market prices and in cash, 
> so “regular” buyers get shut out of the market in short order.
> 
> It really sucks for the average homeowner, as the range where the majority of 
> people would buy in is getting vacuumed up by institutional investors and 
> people can’t buy homes.  If you want to buy a home in the $250k or lower 
> range, you’re going to have a really tough time.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, once you have a fully executed contract the seller can't just walk 
>> away. At that point the only thing that could kill the deal is if it was 
>> being financed and the loan fell thru. The seller has no right to the buyers 
>> appraisal and not being able to see it is not a reason to breach the 
>> contract and back out. The deal could also fall at least here the buyers 
>> have 10 days to do inspections, and if any repairs are needed they can 
>> either take it as is, or ask the seller to repair and the seller could then 
>> say yes or no. If they say no then the deal could fall. Usually when a buyer 
>> writes a contract they usually put in x amount of dollars for repairs, 
>> usually anywhere from 1-2k. So then if seller accepts offer with that amount 
>> of repairs and when inspections come up with something that needs to be 
>> repaired, seller is on the hook to pay for it up to that point. If repairs 
>> exceed that amount then seller can go ahead and pay it to save the deal, or 
>> buyers can pay for the difference above the repair amount, or let the deal 
>> fall. As far as appraisals go, they always appraise for about 10-20k above 
>> contract price, at least around here. The appraisal companies do that for 
>> financing purposes. So if you bought a house and the appraisal came in 20k 
>> over, I guess at least on paper you have an instant 20k in equity, but in 
>> the real world no way would you be able to instantly put the house back up 
>> for sale and sell it for 20k more. 
>> 
>> 
>> For my next house I would like to buy a foreclosure. I have seen several I 
>> would have loved to buy but when we bought this house since we were also 
>> keeping our old house we had to go fha. These houses would not pass fha 
>> standards because they were usually missing things like the appliances, 
>> bathroom fixtures, kitchen counters sometimes, mainly cosmetic stuff. There 
>> was this one house for sale that was like this that was about a 6k sqft 
>> house on 10 acres for something like a little over 100k. Wow. It may have 
>> needed a ton of money though replacing all that stuff. There was another 
>> house we liked that was not a foreclosure but the owner was about to be 
>> foreclosed on. It needed some deferred maintenance and exterior paint but 
>> would not have passed fha because of that. It was around 3500 ft, had shops, 
>> a huge in ground pool, and was cheap. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We had just come off a failed short sale when we made the offer on this 
property.  We were so wiped out/pissed off over the short sale that we pretty 
much because ruthless as we looked for the next property.  Our attitude was to 
“take no prisoners”, and since it was a buyer’s market, we knew we had the 
upper hand.

It’s totally opposite that around here now.  Places that are priced fairly are 
sold the first few days they’re on the market.  To make things worse, there are 
a lot of institutional investors still in our market, buying up homes to turn 
them into rentals.  They’re paying market prices and in cash, so “regular” 
buyers get shut out of the market in short order.

It really sucks for the average homeowner, as the range where the majority of 
people would buy in is getting vacuumed up by institutional investors and 
people can’t buy homes.  If you want to buy a home in the $250k or lower range, 
you’re going to have a really tough time.

Dan



> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep, once you have a fully executed contract the seller can't just walk away. 
> At that point the only thing that could kill the deal is if it was being 
> financed and the loan fell thru. The seller has no right to the buyers 
> appraisal and not being able to see it is not a reason to breach the contract 
> and back out. The deal could also fall at least here the buyers have 10 days 
> to do inspections, and if any repairs are needed they can either take it as 
> is, or ask the seller to repair and the seller could then say yes or no. If 
> they say no then the deal could fall. Usually when a buyer writes a contract 
> they usually put in x amount of dollars for repairs, usually anywhere from 
> 1-2k. So then if seller accepts offer with that amount of repairs and when 
> inspections come up with something that needs to be repaired, seller is on 
> the hook to pay for it up to that point. If repairs exceed that amount then 
> seller can go ahead and pay it to save the deal, or buyers can pay for the 
> difference above the repair amount, or let the deal fall. As far as 
> appraisals go, they always appraise for about 10-20k above contract price, at 
> least around here. The appraisal companies do that for financing purposes. So 
> if you bought a house and the appraisal came in 20k over, I guess at least on 
> paper you have an instant 20k in equity, but in the real world no way would 
> you be able to instantly put the house back up for sale and sell it for 20k 
> more. 
> 
> 
> For my next house I would like to buy a foreclosure. I have seen several I 
> would have loved to buy but when we bought this house since we were also 
> keeping our old house we had to go fha. These houses would not pass fha 
> standards because they were usually missing things like the appliances, 
> bathroom fixtures, kitchen counters sometimes, mainly cosmetic stuff. There 
> was this one house for sale that was like this that was about a 6k sqft house 
> on 10 acres for something like a little over 100k. Wow. It may have needed a 
> ton of money though replacing all that stuff. There was another house we 
> liked that was not a foreclosure but the owner was about to be foreclosed on. 
> It needed some deferred maintenance and exterior paint but would not have 
> passed fha because of that. It was around 3500 ft, had shops, a huge in 
> ground pool, and was cheap. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Amen

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> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:24 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys, please stop with the bleeding hearts for the Mexicans. Have you 
> calculated what they cost taxpaying citizens of the USA? 
> 1. They use the emergency room and get free health care, while you wait for 
> them to get treated. 
> 2. Our schools, gov't. , etc. have to print signs, paperwork, interpreters, 
> etc. to have Spanish available because unlike decades past, they don't want 
> to assimilate. 
> 3. Their illegal activities tie up our law enforcement, court systems, and 
> prisons. Not to mention our weak INS. 
> 4. They claim 8, 10, 12 dependents so they pay little or no taxes. I've seen 
> it. 
> 5. They undercut pricing for jobs taking them away from US citizens, 
> especially in construction, lawn care, etc. I've seen this firsthand as well. 
> 6. I could go on. 
> So, if you want to bleed your heart about something, bleed it for the US 
> taxpayers who have supported all of these free loading, law breakers for 
> decades now and watched our society go to crap. If the US gov't. wanted to do 
> something, it would send drones into Mexico to wipe out the drug cartels. 
> Then, Mexicans could feel safe to stay home and support their own economy. 
> Just my .02, as always, you can have your .02. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The only thing I see that could have been a problem is letting the buyer store 
their cars there. It can be a bad idea to let buyers move stuff in before 
closing because in general you would be responsible for their items. Most 
common thing is buyers will sometimes want to store furniture or something in 
the garage before close. Probably not a problem most of the time but could 
potential turn into one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:08 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:41:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually 
>> 6% here.
> 
> Commission rate here is 3%/3%. We had the house listed on Zillow for
> $364,500.
> 
> The first agent who brought someone by started her presentation by
> saying, "You're not going to be happy about this." She ended up
> presenting an offer for $310,000 from some people who needed to move in
> quickly so they could get set up to foster children. The things she
> related they said just didn't make sense, so we hesitated. Then the
> husband of the couple who wanted to buy it contacted me directly. His
> contacts put us off even more. We finally told him we did not want to
> sell to him.
> 
> The second couple who wanted to buy our house found it by the sign I had
> put out in front. They were a Chinese couple who came through the house
> three times with her parents, who spoke no English. The four of them
> walked through the house jabbering to each other in Chinese. One time,
> the husband asked me what was the lowest price I would take. I told him
> if they didn't use a real estate agent, I would require $330,000. If they
> used an agent, I would require $340,000.
> 
> Their agent brought their offer over for $310,000, with a 3% commission,
> plus the gross receipts tax on top of that. We said no.
> 
> The couple came over again, this time to present their sob story and
> plead with us to sell it to them for their price. The wife said she was a
> light sleeper and the forced-air heat system made too much noise, so they
> would have to change it to a hydronic system, which would cost more than
> $25,000. She really tried to put a guilt trip on us. Note, though, that
> the house is built on a slab. We again said, "NO!"
> 
> A few months later, an older couple stopped by to inquire about the
> house. When I showed them around the house, the husband remarked how
> quiet the heating system was. They lived down the mesa about a mile from
> us and were scouting for their daughter and son-in-law. The son-in-law
> was possibly going to get a job offer from the Lab, thus needing to move
> from Texas, and they were scouting for them. The older couple were quite
> taken with the house and the remodel I had done and said they would tell
> their son-in-law and daughter about it.
> 
> A while later I got a call from the daughter. She said her husband had
> gotten the job offer and that the Lab wanted him there quickly, so he was
> going to come look at houses the next weekend.
> 
> He was brought to our house by his mother-in-law. As I was showing him
> around the house and the 0.6 acre yard, the mother-in-law sat at the
> dining room table and talked with Shirley. She told Shirley her
> son-in-law had another house to look at, but that she was going to push
> ours.
> 
> A couple of days later, I got a call from the son-in-law. He wanted to
> come over and talk with me about making an offer. When he came over, we
> discussed whether he should use an agent, since it was his first time
> buying a house. I told him we had done it many times and that the title
> company was the center of the transaction. He agreed to not use an agent
> and offered $335,550. Shirley and I accepted.
> 
> The next day, he and I met at the lobby of the local bank and walked into
> the title company's office. Motioning to him, I told the lady there,
> "This young man wants to buy my house." She responded, "And you're here
> because you don't know what to do ..." I replied, "Yes, it's not like we
> do this every day." She said, "Well, we do do this every day and we will
> help you through the process."
> 
> She was true to her word. She got us a contract form and, with her
> guidance, he and I worked through each item of it, haggling about who
> would pay what and coming to agreement.
> 
> It was such a pleasure working directly with the buyer! At one point in
> the process, he remarked that it was a pleasure working directly with the
> seller. For example, he and his family arrived in Los Alamos about a week
> before closing (staying at her parent's house). He was having some cars
> shipped from Texas to Los Alamos and called up to ask if he could have
> them put out of the way at the back of our lot before closing. I said,
> "Sure, no problem." I found out they were not going to move into the house
> until two days after closing, so I asked him if we could stay until then.
> He said, "Sure, 

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep, once you have a fully executed contract the seller can't just walk away. 
At that point the only thing that could kill the deal is if it was being 
financed and the loan fell thru. The seller has no right to the buyers 
appraisal and not being able to see it is not a reason to breach the contract 
and back out. The deal could also fall at least here the buyers have 10 days to 
do inspections, and if any repairs are needed they can either take it as is, or 
ask the seller to repair and the seller could then say yes or no. If they say 
no then the deal could fall. Usually when a buyer writes a contract they 
usually put in x amount of dollars for repairs, usually anywhere from 1-2k. So 
then if seller accepts offer with that amount of repairs and when inspections 
come up with something that needs to be repaired, seller is on the hook to pay 
for it up to that point. If repairs exceed that amount then seller can go ahead 
and pay it to save the deal, or buyers can pay for the difference above the 
repair amount, or let the deal fall. As far as appraisals go, they always 
appraise for about 10-20k above contract price, at least around here. The 
appraisal companies do that for financing purposes. So if you bought a house 
and the appraisal came in 20k over, I guess at least on paper you have an 
instant 20k in equity, but in the real world no way would you be able to 
instantly put the house back up for sale and sell it for 20k more. 


For my next house I would like to buy a foreclosure. I have seen several I 
would have loved to buy but when we bought this house since we were also 
keeping our old house we had to go fha. These houses would not pass fha 
standards because they were usually missing things like the appliances, 
bathroom fixtures, kitchen counters sometimes, mainly cosmetic stuff. There was 
this one house for sale that was like this that was about a 6k sqft house on 10 
acres for something like a little over 100k. Wow. It may have needed a ton of 
money though replacing all that stuff. There was another house we liked that 
was not a foreclosure but the owner was about to be foreclosed on. It needed 
some deferred maintenance and exterior paint but would not have passed fha 
because of that. It was around 3500 ft, had shops, a huge in ground pool, and 
was cheap. 


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> On Jun 4, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Selling/buying a house is no different than selling or buying any other 
> commodity.  You have to go into the transaction knowing what your price is 
> and be willing to walk away/turn people down. I agree that in some cases real 
> estate agents have value, but the majority of what they do is easily provided 
> by others at little to no cost, such as title companies.
> 
> When we bought the house we are currently living there was minimal back and 
> forth.  The market was lousy (3rd quarter of 2011) and the property had been 
> on the market nearly a year with no takers.  The seller bought it as a flip, 
> but got caught by the market and was now upside down on the house.  He was 
> angry.
> 
> It had started out listed over $200k.  It was now down to $189k.  We offered 
> $180k.  Seller’s agent told us she was afraid to present the offer because 
> she knew the seller would be angry about it.  We told her, “Too bad.” Legally 
> she had no choice but to present it, and we knew this.  We also told her 
> there would be no response to a counter offer.  It was “Take it or leave it”. 
>  We had cash in hand and could close in 10 days or less.
> 
> So now it’s down to, “How badly do you want to be able to walk away from this 
> place?” for the seller.
> 
> She calls our attorney up about two hours before the offer expires.
> 
> “The seller isn’t going to accept - “  He cuts her off.  “No conditions, no 
> terms, or no deal. Sorry.  And we wants a contingency that the home will 
> appraise at or above the selling price.”
> 
> “OK, we can do that.”
> 
> So we get an accepted offer at our offer price.  A couple of days later, the 
> appraiser gives our mortgage broker his report.  They call our attorney, who 
> calls me.
> 
> “Hey, guess what?  You’ve got instant equity!”  The home appraised $10k above 
> our offer.  We released the contingency.
> 
> Our attorney calls the seller’s agent and releases the contingency. A couple 
> hours later, he gets a nasty phone call from the seller, who wants to see the 
> appraisal.  Nope, not going to happen unless he pays for it, since we had to 
> pay for the appraiser.  He starts to threaten that he’s going to walk away.  
> Our attorney suggests that it would cost him far more in litigation than the 
> home is worth if he chose to go down that path, and we’ve got nothin


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Guys, please stop with the bleeding hearts for the Mexicans. Have you 
calculated what they cost taxpaying citizens of the USA? 
1. They use the emergency room and get free health care, while you wait for 
them to get treated. 
2. Our schools, gov't. , etc. have to print signs, paperwork, interpreters, 
etc. to have Spanish available because unlike decades past, they don't want to 
assimilate. 
3. Their illegal activities tie up our law enforcement, court systems, and 
prisons. Not to mention our weak INS. 
4. They claim 8, 10, 12 dependents so they pay little or no taxes. I've seen 
it. 
5. They undercut pricing for jobs taking them away from US citizens, especially 
in construction, lawn care, etc. I've seen this firsthand as well. 
6. I could go on. 
So, if you want to bleed your heart about something, bleed it for the US 
taxpayers who have supported all of these free loading, law breakers for 
decades now and watched our society go to crap. If the US gov't. wanted to do 
something, it would send drones into Mexico to wipe out the drug cartels. Then, 
Mexicans could feel safe to stay home and support their own economy. 
Just my .02, as always, you can have your .02. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[WILTON via Mercedes]

ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Craig" 
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story



On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:41:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually
6% here.


Commission rate here is 3%/3%. We had the house listed on Zillow for
$364,500.

The first agent who brought someone by started her presentation by
saying, "You're not going to be happy about this." She ended up
presenting an offer for $310,000 from some people who needed to move in
quickly so they could get set up to foster children. The things she
related they said just didn't make sense, so we hesitated. Then the
husband of the couple who wanted to buy it contacted me directly. His
contacts put us off even more. We finally told him we did not want to
sell to him.

The second couple who wanted to buy our house found it by the sign I had
put out in front. They were a Chinese couple who came through the house
three times with her parents, who spoke no English. The four of them
walked through the house jabbering to each other in Chinese. One time,
the husband asked me what was the lowest price I would take. I told him
if they didn't use a real estate agent, I would require $330,000. If they
used an agent, I would require $340,000.

Their agent brought their offer over for $310,000, with a 3% commission,
plus the gross receipts tax on top of that. We said no.

The couple came over again, this time to present their sob story and
plead with us to sell it to them for their price. The wife said she was a
light sleeper and the forced-air heat system made too much noise, so they
would have to change it to a hydronic system, which would cost more than
$25,000. She really tried to put a guilt trip on us. Note, though, that
the house is built on a slab. We again said, "NO!"

A few months later, an older couple stopped by to inquire about the
house. When I showed them around the house, the husband remarked how
quiet the heating system was. They lived down the mesa about a mile from
us and were scouting for their daughter and son-in-law. The son-in-law
was possibly going to get a job offer from the Lab, thus needing to move
from Texas, and they were scouting for them. The older couple were quite
taken with the house and the remodel I had done and said they would tell
their son-in-law and daughter about it.

A while later I got a call from the daughter. She said her husband had
gotten the job offer and that the Lab wanted him there quickly, so he was
going to come look at houses the next weekend.

He was brought to our house by his mother-in-law. As I was showing him
around the house and the 0.6 acre yard, the mother-in-law sat at the
dining room table and talked with Shirley. She told Shirley her
son-in-law had another house to look at, but that she was going to push
ours.

A couple of days later, I got a call from the son-in-law. He wanted to
come over and talk with me about making an offer. When he came over, we
discussed whether he should use an agent, since it was his first time
buying a house. I told him we had done it many times and that the title
company was the center of the transaction. He agreed to not use an agent
and offered $335,550. Shirley and I accepted.

The next day, he and I met at the lobby of the local bank and walked into
the title company's office. Motioning to him, I told the lady there,
"This young man wants to buy my house." She responded, "And you're here
because you don't know what to do ..." I replied, "Yes, it's not like we
do this every day." She said, "Well, we do do this every day and we will
help you through the process."

She was true to her word. She got us a contract form and, with her
guidance, he and I worked through each item of it, haggling about who
would pay what and coming to agreement.

It was such a pleasure working directly with the buyer! At one point in
the process, he remarked that it was a pleasure working directly with the
seller. For example, he and his family arrived in Los Alamos about a week
before closing (staying at her parent's house). He was having some cars
shipped from Texas to Los Alamos and called up to ask if he could have
them put out of the way at the back of our lot before closing. I said,
"Sure, no problem." I found out they were not going to move into the house
until two days after closing, so I asked him if we could stay until then.
He said, "Sure, no problem." Can you imagine the difficulty of getting
those things done with going through two agents?

Anyway, that's how it went ...


Craig





On 6/3/2016 9:37 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 20:49:16 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Selling/buying a house is no different than selling or buying any other 
commodity.  You have to go into the transaction knowing what your price is and 
be willing to walk away/turn people down. I agree that in some cases real 
estate agents have value, but the majority of what they do is easily provided 
by others at little to no cost, such as title companies.

When we bought the house we are currently living there was minimal back and 
forth.  The market was lousy (3rd quarter of 2011) and the property had been on 
the market nearly a year with no takers.  The seller bought it as a flip, but 
got caught by the market and was now upside down on the house.  He was angry.

It had started out listed over $200k.  It was now down to $189k.  We offered 
$180k.  Seller’s agent told us she was afraid to present the offer because she 
knew the seller would be angry about it.  We told her, “Too bad.” Legally she 
had no choice but to present it, and we knew this.  We also told her there 
would be no response to a counter offer.  It was “Take it or leave it”.  We had 
cash in hand and could close in 10 days or less.

So now it’s down to, “How badly do you want to be able to walk away from this 
place?” for the seller.

She calls our attorney up about two hours before the offer expires.

“The seller isn’t going to accept - “  He cuts her off.  “No conditions, no 
terms, or no deal. Sorry.  And we wants a contingency that the home will 
appraise at or above the selling price.”

“OK, we can do that.”

So we get an accepted offer at our offer price.  A couple of days later, the 
appraiser gives our mortgage broker his report.  They call our attorney, who 
calls me.

“Hey, guess what?  You’ve got instant equity!”  The home appraised $10k above 
our offer.  We released the contingency.

Our attorney calls the seller’s agent and releases the contingency. A couple 
hours later, he gets a nasty phone call from the seller, who wants to see the 
appraisal.  Nope, not going to happen unless he pays for it, since we had to 
pay for the appraiser.  He starts to threaten that he’s going to walk away.  
Our attorney suggests that it would cost him far more in litigation than the 
home is worth if he chose to go down that path, and we’ve got nothing else to 
do so we’re more than happy to pursue the matter if necessary.

He hangs up.

We have a walk through the property for a final inspection scheduled the day 
before the closing.  The seller refuses and says the alarm is set and if we 
enter the house (there’s a lockbox on it) he will press charges for 
trespassing.  We get a walk through the day of the closing a few hours prior.  
The place is in good shape so we’re fine with closing.

Seller and his wife are at closing but won’t come in the room with everyone 
else, so the title company puts them in a little office down the hall and 
shuttles the paperwork back and forth.  Whatever.

I always say you forget what a PITA selling/buying a house is until you do it 
again….

Dan



> On Jun 4, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:41:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually 
>> 6% here.
> 
> Commission rate here is 3%/3%. We had the house listed on Zillow for
> $364,500.
> 
> The first agent who brought someone by started her presentation by
> saying, "You're not going to be happy about this." She ended up
> presenting an offer for $310,000 from some people who needed to move in
> quickly so they could get set up to foster children. The things she
> related they said just didn't make sense, so we hesitated. Then the
> husband of the couple who wanted to buy it contacted me directly. His
> contacts put us off even more. We finally told him we did not want to
> sell to him.
> 
> The second couple who wanted to buy our house found it by the sign I had
> put out in front. They were a Chinese couple who came through the house
> three times with her parents, who spoke no English. The four of them
> walked through the house jabbering to each other in Chinese. One time,
> the husband asked me what was the lowest price I would take. I told him
> if they didn't use a real estate agent, I would require $330,000. If they
> used an agent, I would require $340,000.
> 
> Their agent brought their offer over for $310,000, with a 3% commission,
> plus the gross receipts tax on top of that. We said no.
> 
> The couple came over again, this time to present their sob story and
> plead with us to sell it to them for their price. The wife said she was a
> light sleeper and the forced-air heat system made too much noise, so they
> would have to change it to a hydronic system, which would cost more than
> $25,000. She really tried to put a guilt trip on us. Note, though, that
> the house is built on a slab. We again said, "NO!"
> 
> A few months later, an older couple stopped by to inquire about the
> house. When I showed them around the

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Selling/buying a house is no different than selling or buying any other 
commodity.  You have to go into the transaction knowing what your price is and 
be willing to walk away/turn people down. I agree that in some cases real 
estate agents have value, but the majority of what they do is easily provided 
by others at little to no cost, such as title companies.

When we bought the house we are currently living there was minimal back and 
forth.  The market was lousy (3rd quarter of 2011) and the property had been on 
the market nearly a year with no takers.  The seller bought it as a flip, but 
got caught by the market and was now upside down on the house.  He was angry.

It had started out listed over $200k.  It was now down to $189k.  We offered 
$180k.  Seller’s agent told us she was afraid to present the offer because she 
knew the seller would be angry about it.  We told her, “Too bad.” Legally she 
had no choice but to present it, and we knew this.  We also told her there 
would be no response to a counter offer.  It was “Take it or leave it”.  We had 
cash in hand and could close in 10 days or less.

So now it’s down to, “How badly do you want to be able to walk away from this 
place?” for the seller.

She calls our attorney up about two hours before the offer expires.

“The seller isn’t going to accept - “  He cuts her off.  “No conditions, no 
terms, or no deal. Sorry.  And we wants a contingency that the home will 
appraise at or above the selling price.”

“OK, we can do that.”

So we get an accepted offer at our offer price.  A couple of days later, the 
appraiser gives our mortgage broker his report.  They call our attorney, who 
calls me.

“Hey, guess what?  You’ve got instant equity!”  The home appraised $10k above 
our offer.  We released the contingency.

Our attorney calls the seller’s agent and releases the contingency. A couple 
hours later, he gets a nasty phone call from the seller, who wants to see the 
appraisal.  Nope, not going to happen unless he pays for it, since we had to 
pay for the appraiser.  He starts to threaten that he’s going to walk away.  
Our attorney suggests that it would cost him far more in litigation than the 
home is worth if he chose to go down that path, and we’ve got nothing else to 
do so we’re more than happy to pursue the matter if necessary.

He hangs up.

We have a walk through the property for a final inspection scheduled the day 
before the closing.  The seller refuses and says the alarm is set and if we 
enter the house (there’s a lockbox on it) he will press charges for 
trespassing.  We get a walk through the day of the closing a few hours prior.  
The place is in good shape so we’re fine with closing.

Seller and his wife are at closing but won’t come in the room with everyone 
else, so the title company puts them in a little office down the hall and 
shuttles the paperwork back and forth.  Whatever.

I always say you forget what a PITA selling/buying a house is until you do it 
again….

Dan



> On Jun 4, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:41:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually 
>> 6% here.
> 
> Commission rate here is 3%/3%. We had the house listed on Zillow for
> $364,500.
> 
> The first agent who brought someone by started her presentation by
> saying, "You're not going to be happy about this." She ended up
> presenting an offer for $310,000 from some people who needed to move in
> quickly so they could get set up to foster children. The things she
> related they said just didn't make sense, so we hesitated. Then the
> husband of the couple who wanted to buy it contacted me directly. His
> contacts put us off even more. We finally told him we did not want to
> sell to him.
> 
> The second couple who wanted to buy our house found it by the sign I had
> put out in front. They were a Chinese couple who came through the house
> three times with her parents, who spoke no English. The four of them
> walked through the house jabbering to each other in Chinese. One time,
> the husband asked me what was the lowest price I would take. I told him
> if they didn't use a real estate agent, I would require $330,000. If they
> used an agent, I would require $340,000.
> 
> Their agent brought their offer over for $310,000, with a 3% commission,
> plus the gross receipts tax on top of that. We said no.
> 
> The couple came over again, this time to present their sob story and
> plead with us to sell it to them for their price. The wife said she was a
> light sleeper and the forced-air heat system made too much noise, so they
> would have to change it to a hydronic system, which would cost more than
> $25,000. She really tried to put a guilt trip on us. Note, though, that
> the house is built on a slab. We again said, "NO!"
> 
> A few months later, an older couple stopped by to inquire about the
> house. When I showed them around the

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:41:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually 
> 6% here.

Commission rate here is 3%/3%. We had the house listed on Zillow for
$364,500.

The first agent who brought someone by started her presentation by
saying, "You're not going to be happy about this." She ended up
presenting an offer for $310,000 from some people who needed to move in
quickly so they could get set up to foster children. The things she
related they said just didn't make sense, so we hesitated. Then the
husband of the couple who wanted to buy it contacted me directly. His
contacts put us off even more. We finally told him we did not want to
sell to him.

The second couple who wanted to buy our house found it by the sign I had
put out in front. They were a Chinese couple who came through the house
three times with her parents, who spoke no English. The four of them
walked through the house jabbering to each other in Chinese. One time,
the husband asked me what was the lowest price I would take. I told him
if they didn't use a real estate agent, I would require $330,000. If they
used an agent, I would require $340,000.

Their agent brought their offer over for $310,000, with a 3% commission,
plus the gross receipts tax on top of that. We said no.

The couple came over again, this time to present their sob story and
plead with us to sell it to them for their price. The wife said she was a
light sleeper and the forced-air heat system made too much noise, so they
would have to change it to a hydronic system, which would cost more than
$25,000. She really tried to put a guilt trip on us. Note, though, that
the house is built on a slab. We again said, "NO!"

A few months later, an older couple stopped by to inquire about the
house. When I showed them around the house, the husband remarked how
quiet the heating system was. They lived down the mesa about a mile from
us and were scouting for their daughter and son-in-law. The son-in-law
was possibly going to get a job offer from the Lab, thus needing to move
from Texas, and they were scouting for them. The older couple were quite
taken with the house and the remodel I had done and said they would tell
their son-in-law and daughter about it.

A while later I got a call from the daughter. She said her husband had
gotten the job offer and that the Lab wanted him there quickly, so he was
going to come look at houses the next weekend.

He was brought to our house by his mother-in-law. As I was showing him
around the house and the 0.6 acre yard, the mother-in-law sat at the
dining room table and talked with Shirley. She told Shirley her
son-in-law had another house to look at, but that she was going to push
ours.

A couple of days later, I got a call from the son-in-law. He wanted to
come over and talk with me about making an offer. When he came over, we
discussed whether he should use an agent, since it was his first time
buying a house. I told him we had done it many times and that the title
company was the center of the transaction. He agreed to not use an agent
and offered $335,550. Shirley and I accepted.

The next day, he and I met at the lobby of the local bank and walked into
the title company's office. Motioning to him, I told the lady there,
"This young man wants to buy my house." She responded, "And you're here
because you don't know what to do ..." I replied, "Yes, it's not like we
do this every day." She said, "Well, we do do this every day and we will
help you through the process."

She was true to her word. She got us a contract form and, with her
guidance, he and I worked through each item of it, haggling about who
would pay what and coming to agreement.

It was such a pleasure working directly with the buyer! At one point in
the process, he remarked that it was a pleasure working directly with the
seller. For example, he and his family arrived in Los Alamos about a week
before closing (staying at her parent's house). He was having some cars
shipped from Texas to Los Alamos and called up to ask if he could have
them put out of the way at the back of our lot before closing. I said,
"Sure, no problem." I found out they were not going to move into the house
until two days after closing, so I asked him if we could stay until then.
He said, "Sure, no problem." Can you imagine the difficulty of getting
those things done with going through two agents?

Anyway, that's how it went ...


Craig




> On 6/3/2016 9:37 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 20:49:16 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> This is also why, for many years, we have often forgone the use of a
> >> realtor and used a good real estate attorney and a home inspection
> >> company, along with doing our due diligence.
> > We sold our house in Los Alamos without a realtor involved in the
> > transaction and netted $25k more than selling to those buyers realtors
> > brought by.

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is pretty typical of legal immigrants to the USA for 200+ 
years. Illegals come in all flavors but too many are only looking 
for the freebies.

Joel Cairo via Mercedes 

BTW, on another aspect, the Mex trabajadores I would see around 
working on house construction worked their butts off, 7-7, as did the 
landscapers and any others I dealt with.  I was very impressed with 
their work ethic, it was a lot better than some of the lazy merkins 
around.  They had some significant motivations to work hard, make 
money, and better themselves, whatever the issues about them being 
illegals.  I would gladly trade some of ours for them. We had a 
landscape guy, Sanchez, who showed up the first time in some clapped 
out little japmobile with a mower and weedwhacker and rakes and such 
in the trunk, just him. Hit up my wife who hired him, I usually did 
the mowing etc. as we had just a small lot and grass to deal with.  By 
the time we left he had a new nice Ford F-150, 3 crews with trucks and 
trailers and a full suite of equipment, 3 guys per, they would show 
up, unload, get to work and be gone in 15min for $25.  He pretty much 
ended up owning our little city.  Run the numbers and you can see how 
well he was doing, starting from pretty much nothing.  He worked on 
credit, would come around every week or two to collect, always asked 
if there were any problems, great customer service.  If something 
outside the normal mowing, etc. needed to be done, he would do it 
himself, no stranger to hot hard work.  I had him deal with the house 
after we left before it was sold, my neighbor kept an eye on him, no 
problems ever.  That guy was going places.


--R



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 3, 2016 at 6:33 PMvia Postbox 

Certainly in this case it wouldn’t apply, since it wasn’t your house 
that was stigmatized. However, from an ethical standpoint I would 
think that they would disclose something like that or again, just not 
show the house.


But then again, we’re dealing with realtors. I rest my case.

Dan



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Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 3, 2016 at 6:22 PMvia Postbox 

In Texas it associates with the house, it has to be disclosed if 
something happened in the house; otherwise, nothing needs be said.


--JC




Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 3, 2016 at 6:20 PMvia Postbox 


No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different product.

I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
shown the house to begin with.

This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
violent acts.

Dan


According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an adverse 
condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts increasingly 
holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as physical 
defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.






On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote:

A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
bothered you.

Sent from my iPhone



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Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 3, 2016 at 5:46 PMvia Postbox 


OK I should be working but...

We moved to Houston in 1999 from the Boston area.  I rented a big box 
truck to haul a bunch of my workshop stuff and some other things 
because it was heavy and the movers would have charged a lot.  So I'm 
driving this thing down through KY, was going to stop and see my 
parents who lived in Western KY at the time.  I was going through 
Lexington, listening to the public radio station, 

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 22:10:46 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Good for her.  Hopefully she won’t get jaded by all the crap going on
> around her and leave the profession.  I’m sure there are some good ones
> out there but from my experience they’re few and far between.

The woman of the couple from whom we rented the guest house in
Albuquerque had been a realtor in Texas. She moved to New Mexico, was in
the profession about 6 months and left it because of all the crooks and
shysters here.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Holy crap, what is the commission rate on listings there?  Its usually 
6% here.


On 6/3/2016 9:37 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 20:49:16 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


This is also why, for many years, we have often forgone the use of a
realtor and used a good real estate attorney and a home inspection
company, along with doing our due diligence.

We sold our house in Los Alamos without a realtor involved in the
transaction and netted $25k more than selling to those buyers realtors
brought by.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 20:49:16 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> This is also why, for many years, we have often forgone the use of a
> realtor and used a good real estate attorney and a home inspection
> company, along with doing our due diligence.

We sold our house in Los Alamos without a realtor involved in the
transaction and netted $25k more than selling to those buyers realtors
brought by.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good for her.  Hopefully she won’t get jaded by all the crap going on around 
her and leave the profession.  I’m sure there are some good ones out there but 
from my experience they’re few and far between.

The agent we had buying and selling our house in Indiana was good, but she was 
relatively new in the business and came from a teaching background, so ethics 
was one of her stronger characteristics.  This is why I picked her.

Dan


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> While it is true that good ethics are not common in sales, there's a place 
> for someone in sales (houses, cars...whatever) for a person who develops a 
> reputation and referrals as a result. I sold cars for about a year quite a 
> ways back and lost some sales because I would not screw the customers. So I 
> was not the top sales guy, but not the bottom either.
> 
> The son's GF has been working as a buyers' agent for a bit over 6 mos. and 
> has been leading her office in sales. I hear tales of other agents stealing 
> her sales by claiming to kick back commission to the buyer (when it is 
> actually the seller who is the $ source) and other unethical behavior. She 
> makes her sales through smart marketing, hard work, and winning the trust of 
> her clients. Perhaps a rarity, but a winning strategy in a world where 
> reputation, referrals, and repeat business can make all the difference.
> 
> Son, don't let this one get away!!
> 
> Greg
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Wow how funny

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That being said, I like how the Association of Realtors offers “creative 
> marketing tools” for selling stigmatized properties.
> 
> http://www.realtor.org/field-guides/field-guide-to-dealing-with-stigmatized-properties
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
>> rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different 
>> product.
>> 
>> I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
>> weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
>> shown the house to begin with.
>> 
>> This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
>> from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
>> only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
>> violent acts.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
>>> discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
>>> they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an 
>>> adverse condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts 
>>> increasingly holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards 
>>> as physical defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if 
>>> it bothered you.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Here they call it psychologically impacted property

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
> rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different 
> product.
> 
> I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
> weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
> shown the house to begin with.
> 
> This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
> from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
> only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
> violent acts.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
>> discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
>> they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an 
>> adverse condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts 
>> increasingly holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as 
>> physical defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
>> bothered you.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

While it is true that good ethics are not common in sales, there's a place for 
someone in sales (houses, cars...whatever) for a person who develops a 
reputation and referrals as a result. I sold cars for about a year quite a ways 
back and lost some sales because I would not screw the customers. So I was not 
the top sales guy, but not the bottom either.

The son's GF has been working as a buyers' agent for a bit over 6 mos. and has 
been leading her office in sales. I hear tales of other agents stealing her 
sales by claiming to kick back commission to the buyer (when it is actually the 
seller who is the $ source) and other unethical behavior. She makes her sales 
through smart marketing, hard work, and winning the trust of her clients. 
Perhaps a rarity, but a winning strategy in a world where reputation, 
referrals, and repeat business can make all the difference.

Son, don't let this one get away!!

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

Certainly in this case it wouldn’t apply, since it wasn’t your house that was 
stigmatized.  However, from an ethical standpoint I would think that they would 
disclose something like that or again, just not show the house.

But then again, we’re dealing with realtors.  I rest my case.

Dan

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In Texas it associates with the house, it has to be disclosed if something 
> happened in the house; otherwise, nothing needs be said.
> 
> --JC
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is also why, for many years, we have often forgone the use of a realtor 
and used a good real estate attorney and a home inspection company, along with 
doing our due diligence.

Dan


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 19:23:18 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> That being said, I like how the Association of Realtors offers
>> “creative marketing tools” for selling stigmatized properties.
>> 
>> http://www.realtor.org/field-guides/field-guide-to-dealing-with-stigmatized-properties
> 
> Thanks, Dan. That will be a help when we are looking for a house in
> Indiana.
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse,
>>> realtors rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same
>>> MO, different product.
> 
> Sort of like lawyers, 97% of whom give the rest a bad name.
> 
> 
>>> I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it
>>> if they weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they
>>> wouldn’t have shown the house to begin with.
>>> 
>>> This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this
>>> varies from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.
>>> California is the only state that I know of that expressly requires
>>> disclosure of deaths or violent acts.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
 According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are
 obligated to discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably
 apparent in the properties they deal with. Once an agent discovers,
 or should have discovered, an adverse condition, she must disclose
 it to the buyer. With the courts increasingly holding stigma-type
 defects to the same disclosure standards as physical defects, the
 safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.
> 
> Interesting comments.
> 
> I have not waded through the attached, which are from
> 
> http://www.realtor.org/about-nar/governing-documents/the-code-of-ethics
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We have those guys around here, then we have the Nascarians/Anglos who are 
sleazebags and rip you off or don’t know what they’re doing.  Like the guys who 
came around and “trimmed” a couple of oak trees in my neighbor’s yard.

My arborist came by one day to check on a couple of trees we had him put in 
last year, and when he saw what these hacks did to the oak trees next door I 
thought he was going to burst into tears.

I’m all for these guys to come in and hustle to make a buck.  Sure, they send a 
lot of it home, but they’re still spending money here and doing an honest day’s 
work.

Dan


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The house was new and it was actually for sale by the builder, no realtor on 
> their part.  Our person was someone my wife met at the workout place when she 
> was down for an interview, they were on side-by-side treadmills or something. 
> So she was our representative, which to me means she was representing OUR 
> interests in finding a place to live.  My wife was really pissed about that 
> aspect of it.  But the realtor got her split of the fees so no issue for her 
> whether she was ethical or not.  I had no particular expectations of her so 
> no particular disappointment, but I thought it was a little sleazy.
> 
> I can see the builder not saying anything, their person at the house when we 
> looked at it probably didn't even know, she was just there to monitor things 
> at an open house sort of deal.  There were two women there, one of them, some 
> sort of assistant, engaged me in a lengthy story about how she and her 
> husband were driving from Nawlins to Houston in a convertible with the top 
> down, it was stuck and wouldn't go up, it was sunny and very hot and she was 
> swooning so she started praying hard for relief, and Jesus sent a cloud to 
> cover the sun that followed them all the way to Houston, hallelujah!  I 
> thought she was going to start rolling on the floor and speaking in tongues, 
> it was pretty bizarre but I later came to realize that was part of the 
> package there.  Ooo Kkk
> 
> BTW, on another aspect, the Mex trabajadores I would see around working on 
> house construction worked their butts off, 7-7, as did the landscapers and 
> any others I dealt with.  I was very impressed with their work ethic, it was 
> a lot better than some of the lazy merkins around.  They had some significant 
> motivations to work hard, make money, and better themselves, whatever the 
> issues about them being illegals.  I would gladly trade some of ours for 
> them. We had a landscape guy, Sanchez, who showed up the first time in some 
> clapped out little japmobile with a mower and weedwhacker and rakes and such 
> in the trunk, just him. Hit up my wife who hired him, I usually did the 
> mowing etc. as we had just a small lot and grass to deal with.  By the time 
> we left he had a new nice Ford F-150, 3 crews with trucks and trailers and a 
> full suite of equipment, 3 guys per, they would show up, unload, get to work 
> and be gone in 15min for $25.  He pretty much ended up owning our little 
> city.  Run the numbers and you can see how well he was doing, starting from 
> pretty much nothing.  He worked on credit, would come around every week or 
> two to collect, always asked if there were any problems, great customer 
> service.  If something outside the normal mowing, etc. needed to be done, he 
> would do it himself, no stranger to hot hard work.  I had him deal with the 
> house after we left before it was sold, my neighbor kept an eye on him, no 
> problems ever.  That guy was going places.
> 
> --R
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

The house was new and it was actually for sale by the builder, no 
realtor on their part.  Our person was someone my wife met at the 
workout place when she was down for an interview, they were on 
side-by-side treadmills or something. So she was our representative, 
which to me means she was representing OUR interests in finding a place 
to live.  My wife was really pissed about that aspect of it.  But the 
realtor got her split of the fees so no issue for her whether she was 
ethical or not.  I had no particular expectations of her so no 
particular disappointment, but I thought it was a little sleazy.


I can see the builder not saying anything, their person at the house 
when we looked at it probably didn't even know, she was just there to 
monitor things at an open house sort of deal.  There were two women 
there, one of them, some sort of assistant, engaged me in a lengthy 
story about how she and her husband were driving from Nawlins to Houston 
in a convertible with the top down, it was stuck and wouldn't go up, it 
was sunny and very hot and she was swooning so she started praying hard 
for relief, and Jesus sent a cloud to cover the sun that followed them 
all the way to Houston, hallelujah!  I thought she was going to start 
rolling on the floor and speaking in tongues, it was pretty bizarre but 
I later came to realize that was part of the package there.  Ooo 
Kkk


BTW, on another aspect, the Mex trabajadores I would see around working 
on house construction worked their butts off, 7-7, as did the 
landscapers and any others I dealt with.  I was very impressed with 
their work ethic, it was a lot better than some of the lazy merkins 
around.  They had some significant motivations to work hard, make money, 
and better themselves, whatever the issues about them being illegals.  I 
would gladly trade some of ours for them. We had a landscape guy, 
Sanchez, who showed up the first time in some clapped out little 
japmobile with a mower and weedwhacker and rakes and such in the trunk, 
just him. Hit up my wife who hired him, I usually did the mowing etc. as 
we had just a small lot and grass to deal with.  By the time we left he 
had a new nice Ford F-150, 3 crews with trucks and trailers and a full 
suite of equipment, 3 guys per, they would show up, unload, get to work 
and be gone in 15min for $25.  He pretty much ended up owning our little 
city.  Run the numbers and you can see how well he was doing, starting 
from pretty much nothing.  He worked on credit, would come around every 
week or two to collect, always asked if there were any problems, great 
customer service.  If something outside the normal mowing, etc. needed 
to be done, he would do it himself, no stranger to hot hard work.  I had 
him deal with the house after we left before it was sold, my neighbor 
kept an eye on him, no problems ever.  That guy was going places.


--R

On 6/3/16 7:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Certainly in this case it wouldn’t apply, since it wasn’t your house that was 
stigmatized.  However, from an ethical standpoint I would think that they would 
disclose something like that or again, just not show the house.

But then again, we’re dealing with realtors.  I rest my case.

Dan


On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
wrote:

In Texas it associates with the house, it has to be disclosed if something 
happened in the house; otherwise, nothing needs be said.

--JC




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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Certainly in this case it wouldn’t apply, since it wasn’t your house that was 
stigmatized.  However, from an ethical standpoint I would think that they would 
disclose something like that or again, just not show the house.

But then again, we’re dealing with realtors.  I rest my case.

Dan

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In Texas it associates with the house, it has to be disclosed if something 
> happened in the house; otherwise, nothing needs be said.
> 
> --JC
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

That's why, when considering moving to a new area I have always subscribed to a 
local newspaper for at least a few months before taking the plunge.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different product.

I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
shown the house to begin with.

This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
violent acts.

Dan

> According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
> discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
> they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an 
> adverse condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts 
> increasingly holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as 
> physical defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.



 
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
> bothered you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That being said, I like how the Association of Realtors offers “creative 
marketing tools” for selling stigmatized properties.

http://www.realtor.org/field-guides/field-guide-to-dealing-with-stigmatized-properties

Dan



> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
> rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different 
> product.
> 
> I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
> weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
> shown the house to begin with.
> 
> This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
> from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
> only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
> violent acts.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
>> discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
>> they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an 
>> adverse condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts 
>> increasingly holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as 
>> physical defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
>> bothered you.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

In Texas it associates with the house, it has to be disclosed if 
something happened in the house; otherwise, nothing needs be said.


--JC


On 6/3/16 7:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different product.

I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
shown the house to begin with.

This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
violent acts.

Dan


According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an adverse 
condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts increasingly 
holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as physical 
defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.



  

On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
bothered you.

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No such thing as “good realtor”.  While we can exclude your spouse, realtors 
rank right up with puffy shirt used car sales guys.  Same MO, different product.

I don’t believe any realtor worth their salt would have disclosed it if they 
weren’t required to by law.  If they had issues with it, they wouldn’t have 
shown the house to begin with.

This brings up an interesting subject - disclosure of stuff like this varies 
from state to state.  It’s called “stigmatized property”.  California is the 
only state that I know of that expressly requires disclosure of deaths or 
violent acts.

Dan

> According to the NAR’s Code of Ethics, real estate agents are obligated to 
> discover and disclose adverse factors reasonably apparent in the properties 
> they deal with. Once an agent discovers, or should have discovered, an 
> adverse condition, she must disclose it to the buyer. With the courts 
> increasingly holding stigma-type defects to the same disclosure standards as 
> physical defects, the safest judgment call in every state is to disclose.



 
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
> bothered you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

A good realtor would have told you that and put you into another house if it 
bothered you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> OK I should be working but...
> 
> We moved to Houston in 1999 from the Boston area.  I rented a big box truck 
> to haul a bunch of my workshop stuff and some other things because it was 
> heavy and the movers would have charged a lot.  So I'm driving this thing 
> down through KY, was going to stop and see my parents who lived in Western KY 
> at the time.  I was going through Lexington, listening to the public radio 
> station, they had this long story on about this guy who had raped and tried 
> to kill a coupla kids, left them for dead on the railroad tracks. I think 
> they were students at UK, one might have died, I don't exactly remember.  So 
> then they talked about all these other rapes and murders that had happened 
> around the country, LE thinks it is the same guy as they were all close to 
> railroad tracks.  One happened recently in Houston, in West University Place 
> (it is a separate small city within Houston) where we had just bought the 
> house.  They called the guy the "Railroad Killer." Hmmm I'm thinking...
> 
> So I get there a coupla days later, wife and daughter had flown down, the 
> realtor we used picked them up at the airport and we all got to the house 
> within a few minutes of each other (good planning!).  So we check out the 
> house, chat a bit.  The house had been newly built in the neighborhood, 
> builder having torn down a little 2-3 BR house that was falling apart, and 
> that was kinda the procedure in the neighborhood.  So there was always a lot 
> of construction, and in Houston it is all hispanics, mostly Mexicans, mostly 
> illegals.  There were railroad tracks across the street behind a row of 
> houses on the street to the side (we were on a corner), it was not too busy 
> at that time, maybe 2-3 trains a day, but one ran through late at night.
> 
> So I bring up this thing I had heard on the radio, and ask the realtor if she 
> knew anything about that.  Now this realtor was all friendly and such, and 
> trying to be helpful, get us settled in, anything we needed.  So then she 
> says oh yeah everyone knows about it.  So we talk about it a minute and I 
> ask, so where did the woman get killed?  She gets all stuttering and 
> stammering and finally points to the house directly across the street.  My 
> wife and I just about dropped one right there.  WTF?  So then she gets all 
> kind of evasive when we ask why she never mentioned it, etc. and finally 
> decides she needs to leave.  Well, that was a surprise, huh?  The railroad 
> killer apparently jumped a train right across the street, comes and kills the 
> neighbor in her bed, while OK I should be working but...
> 
> We moved to Houston in 1999 from the Boston area.  I rented a big box truck 
> to haul a bunch of my workshop stuff and some other things because it was 
> heavy and the movers would have charged a lot.  So I'm driving this thing 
> down through KY, was going to stop and see my parents who lived in Western KY 
> at the time.  I was going through Lexington, listening to the public radio 
> station, they had this long story on about this guy who had raped and tried 
> to kill a coupla kids, left them for dead on the railroad tracks. I think 
> they were students at UK, one might have died, I don't exactly remember.  So 
> then they talked about all these other rapes and murders that had happened 
> around the country, LE thinks it is the same guy as they were all close to 
> railroad tracks.  One happened recently in Houston, in West University Place 
> (it is a separate small city within Houston) where we had just bought the 
> house.  They called the guy the "Railroad Killer." Hmmm I'm thinking...
> 
> So I get there a coupla days later, wife and daughter had flown down, the 
> realtor we used picked them up at the airport and we all got to the house 
> within a few minutes of each other (good planning!).  So we check out the 
> house, chat a bit.  The house had been newly built in the neighborhood, 
> builder having torn down a little 2-3 BR house that was falling apart, and 
> that was kinda the procedure in the neighborhood.  So there was always a lot 
> of construction, and in Houston it is all hispanics, mostly Mexicans, mostly 
> illegals.  There were railroad tracks across the street behind a row of 
> houses on the street to the side (we were on a corner), it was not too busy 
> at that time, maybe 2-3 trains a day, but one ran through late at night.
> 
> So I bring up this thing I had heard on the radio, and ask the realtor if she 
> knew anything about that.  Now this realtor was all friendly and such, and 
> trying to be helpful, get us settled in, anything we needed.  So then she 
> says oh yeah everyone knows about it.  So we talk about it a minute and I 
> ask, so where did the woman get killed?  

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans -- story

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

OK I should be working but...

We moved to Houston in 1999 from the Boston area.  I rented a big box 
truck to haul a bunch of my workshop stuff and some other things because 
it was heavy and the movers would have charged a lot.  So I'm driving 
this thing down through KY, was going to stop and see my parents who 
lived in Western KY at the time.  I was going through Lexington, 
listening to the public radio station, they had this long story on about 
this guy who had raped and tried to kill a coupla kids, left them for 
dead on the railroad tracks. I think they were students at UK, one might 
have died, I don't exactly remember.  So then they talked about all 
these other rapes and murders that had happened around the country, LE 
thinks it is the same guy as they were all close to railroad tracks.  
One happened recently in Houston, in West University Place (it is a 
separate small city within Houston) where we had just bought the house.  
They called the guy the "Railroad Killer." Hmmm I'm thinking...


So I get there a coupla days later, wife and daughter had flown down, 
the realtor we used picked them up at the airport and we all got to the 
house within a few minutes of each other (good planning!).  So we check 
out the house, chat a bit.  The house had been newly built in the 
neighborhood, builder having torn down a little 2-3 BR house that was 
falling apart, and that was kinda the procedure in the neighborhood.  So 
there was always a lot of construction, and in Houston it is all 
hispanics, mostly Mexicans, mostly illegals.  There were railroad tracks 
across the street behind a row of houses on the street to the side (we 
were on a corner), it was not too busy at that time, maybe 2-3 trains a 
day, but one ran through late at night.


So I bring up this thing I had heard on the radio, and ask the realtor 
if she knew anything about that.  Now this realtor was all friendly and 
such, and trying to be helpful, get us settled in, anything we needed.  
So then she says oh yeah everyone knows about it.  So we talk about it a 
minute and I ask, so where did the woman get killed?  She gets all 
stuttering and stammering and finally points to the house directly 
across the street.  My wife and I just about dropped one right there.  
WTF?  So then she gets all kind of evasive when we ask why she never 
mentioned it, etc. and finally decides she needs to leave.  Well, that 
was a surprise, huh?  The railroad killer apparently jumped a train 
right across the street, comes and kills the neighbor in her bed, while 
doing other quite vile things to her before and after her death.  It was 
horrible, like really horrible.  I'm not sure it would have made a 
difference in us buying the house or not if we had known, but it would 
have been nice.  Turns out the sellers/realtors only have to disclose 
that kind of stuff if it happened in the particular house for sale.  So 
there was no compulsion to tell about it, but still...


I found out details later, apparently the garage door did not close all 
the way, it was up maybe a foot or so, and he got in that way, then 
through the door into the house.  Found the woman asleep and did the 
deeds.  She was a doctor, her husband was a supervisor or something on 
oil rigs, so he was gone half the time.  At that time I think he was on 
land, but had gone off to see his kids from another marriage or 
something, the cops wondered if they had issues but it turned out not, 
he was off somewhere a ways away with the kids at the time.  There were 
some suspicions she might have had something going on on the side, maybe 
a boyfriend did it, but that never sorted out either.  They didn't find 
the woman for 2-3 days when she didn't show up to work, someone went 
over or called the husband or something to get in.


Our house was under construction at the time, and they had some 
indications the guy was hispanic (DNA or something, or the UK kid(s) who 
lived reported it.  So naturally the workers at the house, who could see 
comings and goings, that the woman was alone, etc. were prime suspects, 
figured it might be a drifter who worked for awhile here and there then 
did the deeds and moved on. Reasonable hypothesis.  Apparently that 
never panned out, but a lot of those guys come and go so they could 
never track them all down for sure.


I was working out of the house, my office was upstairs in front so I 
could see goings on out the window, in front and over toward the houses 
by the tracks on the side street.  Every now and then a whole load of 
cops would show up and be going crazy, someone calling with a "sighting" 
or something.  At some point a few weeks after we moved in a couple move 
into the murder house, he was a retired doc, and come to find out she 
was an FBI agent.  They were living there with the possibility the guy 
could return at some point and if so they could deal with him.  
Apparently that is a trait of serial killers so the FBI were trying to 
cover