Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Dad has been going to a club that has a 200 yard .22lr match. He says theres 
54 inches of drop between 100 and 200 yards...
-Curt

On Saturday, October 13, 2018, 1:23:01 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Gotta hold it steady if you want to shoot it at 300 yards offhand. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=470&v=CUtasDhjpI4

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

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Gotta hold it steady if you want to shoot it at 300 yards offhand. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=470&v=CUtasDhjpI4

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Yeah, I like watching his videos - lots of talent & practice goes into 
his game.



On 09/30/2018 8:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Miculek is a G-d in the shooting community.  And a very down to earth guy, too.

-D



On Sep 30, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Yikes!  Miculek is way beyond what I could ever hope to achieve!

Thanks,

LarryT


On 09/30/2018 2:05 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Video learning can get you started...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSazF41q-s&t=118s



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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

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Miculek is a G-d in the shooting community.  And a very down to earth guy, too.

-D


> On Sep 30, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yikes!  Miculek is way beyond what I could ever hope to achieve!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
> On 09/30/2018 2:05 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> Video learning can get you started...
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSazF41q-s&t=118s
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Yikes!  Miculek is way beyond what I could ever hope to achieve!

Thanks,

LarryT


On 09/30/2018 2:05 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Video learning can get you started...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSazF41q-s&t=118s


On September 30, 2018 at 12:58 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Hmmm, that's good to know.  Maybe I can correct that now that I
know  I read the whole article s sounds like a good shooting coach
is better at diagnosing shooting problems than low/left ;-)

Thanks for the link -

Larry

On 09/28/2018 8:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Even the people who don't believe in 'diagnostic targets' agree
that consistently shooting a pistol low and left (if you're right handed) is 
due to flinching or trigger jerking.
I know it was the case when my 1911 hit low and left, especially when it got 
worse the longer I kept shooting.
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/diagnostic-pistol-target-waste-time/

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

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Video learning can get you started...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSazF41q-s&t=118s

> On September 30, 2018 at 12:58 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hmmm, that's good to know.  Maybe I can correct that now that I 
> know  I read the whole article s sounds like a good shooting coach 
> is better at diagnosing shooting problems than low/left ;-)
> 
> Thanks for the link -
> 
> Larry
> 
> On 09/28/2018 8:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > Even the people who don't believe in 'diagnostic targets' agree
> > that consistently shooting a pistol low and left (if you're right handed) 
> > is due to flinching or trigger jerking.
> > I know it was the case when my 1911 hit low and left, especially when it 
> > got worse the longer I kept shooting.
> > https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/diagnostic-pistol-target-waste-time/
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Hmmm, that's good to know.  Maybe I can correct that now that I 
know  I read the whole article s sounds like a good shooting coach 
is better at diagnosing shooting problems than low/left ;-)


Thanks for the link -

Larry

On 09/28/2018 8:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Even the people who don't believe in 'diagnostic targets' agree
that consistently shooting a pistol low and left (if you're right handed) is 
due to flinching or trigger jerking.
I know it was the case when my 1911 hit low and left, especially when it got 
worse the longer I kept shooting.
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/diagnostic-pistol-target-waste-time/

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Wow!  the bullets you tried to order can hardly be considered ammo (IMO) 
- without the case, primer and powder they're just chunks of metal.  And 
since they were for a muzzleloader it's especially a problem.  I guess 
whoever wrote the regulations must have been covering all the bases...


That's just not right.

LarryT


On 09/28/2018 3:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I'm reasonably sure I can't have ammo delivered to the people's republic of MA. 
I tried to order bullets one time, not cartridges just lead bullets and Bass 
Pro wouldn't ship to me.
Track of the Wolf will but I think they know more about muzzleloaders than Bass 
Pro...

Curt

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   On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 5:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:   They also like to charge for “discreet boxing” as well, I think.


I usually forgo the insurance.  SG Ammo is a close second but I always find 
that once I add shipping to their prices Target ends up cheaper.

-D





On Sep 27, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

Target Sports has CCI Blazers for $190/case and Mini-Mag Hollow Points for 
$300/case
Seems to be the lowest price today with free shipping on case lots.
When I ordered a case of 9mm with free shipping last year they charged me $6 
for either insurance or adult signature required. I don't recall seeing the $6 
before I finalized the order but it wasn't a big enough surprise to complain 
about.
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/22lr/CCI?ikw=mini-mag


On September 27, 2018 at 3:40 PM Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
Where did you purchase them?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm reasonably sure I can't have ammo delivered to the people's republic of MA. 
I tried to order bullets one time, not cartridges just lead bullets and Bass 
Pro wouldn't ship to me.
Track of the Wolf will but I think they know more about muzzleloaders than Bass 
Pro...

Curt

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  On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 5:30 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   They also like to charge for “discreet 
boxing” as well, I think.

I usually forgo the insurance.  SG Ammo is a close second but I always find 
that once I add shipping to their prices Target ends up cheaper.

-D




> On Sep 27, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Target Sports has CCI Blazers for $190/case and Mini-Mag Hollow Points for 
> $300/case
> Seems to be the lowest price today with free shipping on case lots. 
> When I ordered a case of 9mm with free shipping last year they charged me $6 
> for either insurance or adult signature required. I don't recall seeing the 
> $6 before I finalized the order but it wasn't a big enough surprise to 
> complain about. 
> https://ammoseek.com/ammo/22lr/CCI?ikw=mini-mag
> 
>> On September 27, 2018 at 3:40 PM Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> Where did you purchase them?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Even the people who don't believe in 'diagnostic targets' agree
that consistently shooting a pistol low and left (if you're right handed) is 
due to flinching or trigger jerking. 
I know it was the case when my 1911 hit low and left, especially when it got 
worse the longer I kept shooting. 
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/diagnostic-pistol-target-waste-time/

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I agree with everything you said!  In fact I like the 22LR so much I 
bought a conversion kit for my Colt 45. I was surprised to see it shoots 
exactly the same when using 22s and 45ACP.  A little low and left.  That 
may have something to do with  my grip perhaps?


Sounds like a you found a great little rifle!

LarryT


On 09/28/2018 7:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Larry,

I bought mine from a local for under $200.  It’s the stainless steel version (I 
can’t help myself, I’m a sucker for SS) with the tubular 16 round magazine and 
allegedly on,y had a few hundred rounds through it. He also had a nice scope 
mounted on it as well.  The condition backed up the seller’s claims, as it is 
really clean and unmarked or worn.  I bought a speed loader for it, too, which 
really makes it nice at the range.

I was seriously looking at the Ruger 10/22, but there are so many variants and 
aftermarket mods for them it was tough to focus on any one particular version 
of it.  I liked the Marlin because it’s a high quality firearm and very basic.  
I have no interest in pimping my rifle out, so the appeal of the 10/22 was not 
great (despite being a big Ruger fan.)

I just love the .22 stuff, as it’s fun and economical to shoot. You can go to 
the range and spend a couple of hours between my Marlin 60 and Ruger Super 
Single Six and only drop maybe $10-$15 on ammo.

-D


On Sep 27, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Hey Dan,

Actually I think that was the one I was trying to describe.  I believe the 60 
is the Tubular magazine version and mine is a model 70 which is the shorter 
Carbine with a 6 rd clip.  For the money I think they're hard to beat!  Plus 
there are tons on the used rifle racks.

Good luck with yours! Mine's going on 51 years of ownership and use.   If you 
ever need to remove the bolt (they eventually get dirty and cause misfires) be 
careful when removing the spring and metal guide pin.  I was putting mine back 
together and the pin slipped and flew over my shoulder with the pin.  Found the 
spring, the pin is still missing.  ;-\  There's not much behind my chair where 
I was sitting when it slipped (but evidently enough);  but I looked, my wife 
looked and I finally bought a new one from Brownell's for $3 and change.

LarryT
91 300D
06 E350 (For Sale)  ;-)


On 09/27/2018 12:28 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Since this was from May..

I ended up with a Marlin 60. Nice rifle, amazingly accurate and fun to shoot.

Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the range 
this weekend.

-D


On Sep 27, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Sorry I failed to write sooner, hope this is in time.   If not, you can never 
have too many 22s! ;-) I don't think you can not go wrong with the Marlin range 
of 22's.  They're semi auto and not expensive - around $250 IIRC - and 
available with aa tubular magazine or a clip.  They also make a bolt action 
version.  My Dad gave me mine in 1967 when I was 17 and it still shoots 
perfectly. Finally got my wife to go to the range with me and she loves that 22!

Good luck,

LarryT



On 05/25/2018 3:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.

I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what others 
have and are actively using, and for what.

Thanks!

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Larry,

I bought mine from a local for under $200.  It’s the stainless steel version (I 
can’t help myself, I’m a sucker for SS) with the tubular 16 round magazine and 
allegedly on,y had a few hundred rounds through it. He also had a nice scope 
mounted on it as well.  The condition backed up the seller’s claims, as it is 
really clean and unmarked or worn.  I bought a speed loader for it, too, which 
really makes it nice at the range.

I was seriously looking at the Ruger 10/22, but there are so many variants and 
aftermarket mods for them it was tough to focus on any one particular version 
of it.  I liked the Marlin because it’s a high quality firearm and very basic.  
I have no interest in pimping my rifle out, so the appeal of the 10/22 was not 
great (despite being a big Ruger fan.)

I just love the .22 stuff, as it’s fun and economical to shoot. You can go to 
the range and spend a couple of hours between my Marlin 60 and Ruger Super 
Single Six and only drop maybe $10-$15 on ammo.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Dan,
> 
> Actually I think that was the one I was trying to describe.  I believe the 60 
> is the Tubular magazine version and mine is a model 70 which is the shorter 
> Carbine with a 6 rd clip.  For the money I think they're hard to beat!  Plus 
> there are tons on the used rifle racks.
> 
> Good luck with yours! Mine's going on 51 years of ownership and use.   If you 
> ever need to remove the bolt (they eventually get dirty and cause misfires) 
> be careful when removing the spring and metal guide pin.  I was putting mine 
> back together and the pin slipped and flew over my shoulder with the pin.  
> Found the spring, the pin is still missing.  ;-\  There's not much behind my 
> chair where I was sitting when it slipped (but evidently enough);  but I 
> looked, my wife looked and I finally bought a new one from Brownell's for $3 
> and change.
> 
> LarryT
> 91 300D
> 06 E350 (For Sale)  ;-)
> 
>> On 09/27/2018 12:28 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Since this was from May..
>> 
>> I ended up with a Marlin 60. Nice rifle, amazingly accurate and fun to shoot.
>> 
>> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the 
>> range this weekend.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry I failed to write sooner, hope this is in time.   If not, you can 
>>> never have too many 22s! ;-) I don't think you can not go wrong with the 
>>> Marlin range of 22's.  They're semi auto and not expensive - around $250 
>>> IIRC - and available with aa tubular magazine or a clip.  They also make a 
>>> bolt action version.  My Dad gave me mine in 1967 when I was 17 and it 
>>> still shoots perfectly. Finally got my wife to go to the range with me and 
>>> she loves that 22!
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> LarryT
>>> 
>>> 
 On 05/25/2018 3:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
 I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.
 
 I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what 
 others have and are actively using, and for what.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They also like to charge for “discreet boxing” as well, I think.

I usually forgo the insurance.  SG Ammo is a close second but I always find 
that once I add shipping to their prices Target ends up cheaper.

-D




> On Sep 27, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Target Sports has CCI Blazers for $190/case and Mini-Mag Hollow Points for 
> $300/case
> Seems to be the lowest price today with free shipping on case lots. 
> When I ordered a case of 9mm with free shipping last year they charged me $6 
> for either insurance or adult signature required. I don't recall seeing the 
> $6 before I finalized the order but it wasn't a big enough surprise to 
> complain about. 
> https://ammoseek.com/ammo/22lr/CCI?ikw=mini-mag
> 
>> On September 27, 2018 at 3:40 PM Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> Where did you purchase them?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Target Sports has CCI Blazers for $190/case and Mini-Mag Hollow Points for 
$300/case
Seems to be the lowest price today with free shipping on case lots. 
When I ordered a case of 9mm with free shipping last year they charged me $6 
for either insurance or adult signature required. I don't recall seeing the $6 
before I finalized the order but it wasn't a big enough surprise to complain 
about. 
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/22lr/CCI?ikw=mini-mag

> On September 27, 2018 at 3:40 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> Where did you purchase them?
> 
> 
> Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Hey Dan,

Actually I think that was the one I was trying to describe.  I believe 
the 60 is the Tubular magazine version and mine is a model 70 which is 
the shorter Carbine with a 6 rd clip.  For the money I think they're 
hard to beat!  Plus there are tons on the used rifle racks.


Good luck with yours! Mine's going on 51 years of ownership and use.   
If you ever need to remove the bolt (they eventually get dirty and cause 
misfires) be careful when removing the spring and metal guide pin.  I 
was putting mine back together and the pin slipped and flew over my 
shoulder with the pin.  Found the spring, the pin is still missing.  
;-\  There's not much behind my chair where I was sitting when it 
slipped (but evidently enough);  but I looked, my wife looked and I 
finally bought a new one from Brownell's for $3 and change.


LarryT
91 300D
06 E350 (For Sale)  ;-)

On 09/27/2018 12:28 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Since this was from May..

I ended up with a Marlin 60. Nice rifle, amazingly accurate and fun to shoot.

Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the range 
this weekend.

-D


On Sep 27, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Sorry I failed to write sooner, hope this is in time.   If not, you can never 
have too many 22s! ;-) I don't think you can not go wrong with the Marlin range 
of 22's.  They're semi auto and not expensive - around $250 IIRC - and 
available with aa tubular magazine or a clip.  They also make a bolt action 
version.  My Dad gave me mine in 1967 when I was 17 and it still shoots 
perfectly. Finally got my wife to go to the range with me and she loves that 22!

Good luck,

LarryT



On 05/25/2018 3:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.

I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what others 
have and are actively using, and for what.

Thanks!

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I shoot 22LR with a bull barreled Savage bolt action and have found the 
Wolf Target Match is very accurate.  Unfortunately, it's hard to find at 
times, and it can take some time to get if out of stock.  ;-)  My friend 
& I went together and bought a few thousand rounds of Wolf year before 
last and it took almost 16 months for them to fill the order (Midway 
IIRC)!  We got them for about $4.48/box - I think we bought almost at 
the peak of the shortage time frame, but it was a super price.  We also 
bought when they were on sale and maybe they delayed shipping in the 
hope we'd give up?  We try to shoot 36 gr at less than Mach 1.  That is 
supposed to be more accurate (if they don't break the sound barrier) but 
who knows.


But they eventually shipped and we're still shooting them.  I think my 
best group was a 4 shot group in a 3/8" circle (maybe a touch smaller) 
at 50 yards.   No, I'll never be a pro, but I can hit what I shoot 
at   We try to go to the range every Wed. to shoot with our friends 
- mostly guys we worked with over the years, weather permitting - it's 
been a hit, Wet summer.  I think I heard we're on track to have the 
rainiest year on record if we get just another 1" or so.  (Va.)


LarryT


On 09/27/2018 5:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Mini-mags are fine, I prefer Winchester Super-X. For a long time Super-X was 
the only high velocity full weight (40gr) .22 you could get. IIRC Mini-mags 
used to be .36gr.
We used to shoot a lot of metallic silhouette, the 100 yard targets in the expert 
clasI shoots were heavy and required a 40gr bullet at high velocity (well high 
velocity for a .22) within 1" of the top of the target for them to fall 
reliably. Everybody used Super-X. I don't remember if there was a special version or 
not but Winchester's site doesn't list one now.
-Curt

 On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 1:50:42 PM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  CCI Mini-mags, only ones I buy.  Get them in 5,000 round bundles and they’re only about $0.05/6 a round.  Can’t beat them. CCI makes the best rimfire cartridges here are, in my humble opinion.  I have used Remington Thunderbolt and they seem to work OK, but CCI is my go-to for rimfire cartridges.


-D


On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the
range this weekend.

What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?

I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble with
them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no boom.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I recall one of the shooting sport magazines did a .22 ammo study. I don't 
recall if it was grouping analysis or weights and measurements, but I do recall 
that Super-X came out on top. They were my preferred hunting loads, after 
modding them to a flat meplat with a trim die made for that purpose. I liked to 
do some squirrel hunting before the deer season to sharpen my eye, as well as 
scouting for buck sign.

Greg 

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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 2:00 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

 Mini-mags are fine, I prefer Winchester Super-X. For a long time Super-X was 
the only high velocity full weight (40gr) .22 you could get. IIRC Mini-mags 
used to be .36gr.
We used to shoot a lot of metallic silhouette, the 100 yard targets in the 
expert class were heavy and required a 40gr bullet at high velocity (well high 
velocity for a .22) within 1" of the top of the target for them to fall 
reliably. Everybody used Super-X. I don't remember if there was a special 
version or not but Winchester's site doesn't list one now.
-Curt

On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 1:50:42 PM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 CCI Mini-mags, only ones I buy.  Get them in 5,000 round bundles and they’re 
only about $0.05/6 a round.  Can’t beat them. CCI makes the best rimfire 
cartridges here are, in my humble opinion.  I have used Remington Thunderbolt 
and they seem to work OK, but CCI is my go-to for rimfire cartridges.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the
>> range this weekend.
> 
> What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?
> 
> I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble with
> them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no boom.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Mini-mags are fine, I prefer Winchester Super-X. For a long time Super-X was 
the only high velocity full weight (40gr) .22 you could get. IIRC Mini-mags 
used to be .36gr.
We used to shoot a lot of metallic silhouette, the 100 yard targets in the 
expert class were heavy and required a 40gr bullet at high velocity (well high 
velocity for a .22) within 1" of the top of the target for them to fall 
reliably. Everybody used Super-X. I don't remember if there was a special 
version or not but Winchester's site doesn't list one now.
-Curt

On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 1:50:42 PM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 CCI Mini-mags, only ones I buy.  Get them in 5,000 round bundles and they’re 
only about $0.05/6 a round.  Can’t beat them. CCI makes the best rimfire 
cartridges here are, in my humble opinion.  I have used Remington Thunderbolt 
and they seem to work OK, but CCI is my go-to for rimfire cartridges.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the
>> range this weekend.
> 
> What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?
> 
> I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble with
> them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no boom.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I found the Thunderbolts to shoot okay when they would go off. I don't know 
that I've ever had any really inaccurate .22 ammunition, the gun and the 
shooter are way more important...
-Curt

On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 1:51:37 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Sometime between 20 and 25 years ago I took my Rem. 541T to the range and 
fired a 1/2" 100 yd. 5 shot group...with Thunderbolts. I was astonished. I do 
not recall ever having ignition problems with this ammo. YMMV! My buddy with me 
at the time was shooting a Japanese-made .375 H&H...and shot even tighter 
groups. Obviously conditions must have been optimal.

Greg

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via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 10:29 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

 Remington Thunderbolt .22 used to be truly awful, they bulk packed and often 
they would misfire and require multiple hits. More recently they seem to be 
better but I still avoid them if possible.
I forget what Winchester calls their cheap bulk pack but I don't remember 
having trouble with them or Federal.
-Curt

    On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 1:27:14 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the
> range this weekend.

What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?

I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble with
them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no boom.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I used Remington Golden Bullets for some time, as I could often find them on 
sale in boxes of 500.  They always worked well for me.

 I’ve just gotten more involved in buying bulk so I don’t have to make trips to 
the store or shop around for ammo.  When I want to go to the range I always 
know I have ammo at home and ready to go...

-D

> On Sep 27, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I always had good luck with Remington Golden Bullets in my semi auto pistols 
> and rifles.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dan--- via Mercedes
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:50 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles
>> 
>> CCI Mini-mags, only ones I buy.  Get them in 5,000 round bundles and they’re
>> only about $0.05/6 a round.  Can’t beat them. CCI makes the best rimfire
>> cartridges here are, in my humble opinion.  I have used Remington
>> Thunderbolt and they seem to work OK, but CCI is my go-to for rimfire
>> cartridges.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to
>>>> the range this weekend.
>>> 
>>> What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?
>>> 
>>> I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble
>>> with them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no
>> boom.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I always had good luck with Remington Golden Bullets in my semi auto pistols 
and rifles.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan--- via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:50 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles
> 
> CCI Mini-mags, only ones I buy.  Get them in 5,000 round bundles and they’re
> only about $0.05/6 a round.  Can’t beat them. CCI makes the best rimfire
> cartridges here are, in my humble opinion.  I have used Remington
> Thunderbolt and they seem to work OK, but CCI is my go-to for rimfire
> cartridges.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to
> >> the range this weekend.
> >
> > What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?
> >
> > I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble
> > with them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no
> boom.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Target Sports.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:49:53 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> CCI Mini-mags, only ones I buy.  Get them in 5,000 round bundles and
>> they’re only about $0.05/6 a round.  Can’t beat them. CCI makes the
>> best rimfire cartridges here are, in my humble opinion.  I have used
>> Remington Thunderbolt and they seem to work OK, but CCI is my go-to for
>> rimfire cartridges.
> 
> Where did you purchase them?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:49:53 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> CCI Mini-mags, only ones I buy.  Get them in 5,000 round bundles and
> they’re only about $0.05/6 a round.  Can’t beat them. CCI makes the
> best rimfire cartridges here are, in my humble opinion.  I have used
> Remington Thunderbolt and they seem to work OK, but CCI is my go-to for
> rimfire cartridges.

Where did you purchase them?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

My range maxes out at 25 yards, but at that the Marlin with a small scope that 
came with it can easily do a 1” group.  There’s a state owned and operated 
rifle range about 45 minutes away in Lakeland that I want to go to some time 
with a bunch of my hardware that hasn’t been tested beyond my home range’s 
limits.

I would take the Marlin, my SKS, Ruger Super Single Six and probably my 1911.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sometime between 20 and 25 years ago I took my Rem. 541T to the range and 
> fired a 1/2" 100 yd. 5 shot group...with Thunderbolts. I was astonished. I do 
> not recall ever having ignition problems with this ammo. YMMV! My buddy with 
> me at the time was shooting a Japanese-made .375 H&H...and shot even tighter 
> groups. Obviously conditions must have been optimal.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt 
> Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 10:29 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles
> 
> Remington Thunderbolt .22 used to be truly awful, they bulk packed and often 
> they would misfire and require multiple hits. More recently they seem to be 
> better but I still avoid them if possible.
> I forget what Winchester calls their cheap bulk pack but I don't remember 
> having trouble with them or Federal.
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 1:27:14 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the
>> range this weekend.
> 
> What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?
> 
> I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble with
> them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no boom.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Sometime between 20 and 25 years ago I took my Rem. 541T to the range and fired 
a 1/2" 100 yd. 5 shot group...with Thunderbolts. I was astonished. I do not 
recall ever having ignition problems with this ammo. YMMV! My buddy with me at 
the time was shooting a Japanese-made .375 H&H...and shot even tighter groups. 
Obviously conditions must have been optimal.

Greg

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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 10:29 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

 Remington Thunderbolt .22 used to be truly awful, they bulk packed and often 
they would misfire and require multiple hits. More recently they seem to be 
better but I still avoid them if possible.
I forget what Winchester calls their cheap bulk pack but I don't remember 
having trouble with them or Federal.
-Curt

On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 1:27:14 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the
> range this weekend.

What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?

I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble with
them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no boom.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

CCI Mini-mags, only ones I buy.  Get them in 5,000 round bundles and they’re 
only about $0.05/6 a round.  Can’t beat them. CCI makes the best rimfire 
cartridges here are, in my humble opinion.  I have used Remington Thunderbolt 
and they seem to work OK, but CCI is my go-to for rimfire cartridges.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the
>> range this weekend.
> 
> What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?
> 
> I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble with
> them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no boom.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Remington Thunderbolt .22 used to be truly awful, they bulk packed and often 
they would misfire and require multiple hits. More recently they seem to be 
better but I still avoid them if possible.
I forget what Winchester calls their cheap bulk pack but I don't remember 
having trouble with them or Federal.
-Curt

On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 1:27:14 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the
> range this weekend.

What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?

I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble with
them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no boom.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the
> range this weekend.

What is the manufacturer of the 5k rounds?

I once bought a box of 500 Remington .22 LR. I had a lot of trouble with
them in my Ruger 10/.22 with lots of misfires -- rim punched, but no boom.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Since this was from May.. 

I ended up with a Marlin 60. Nice rifle, amazingly accurate and fun to shoot.

Just got 5,000 rounds of .22LR on Tuesday, so I’ll probably head to the range 
this weekend.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry I failed to write sooner, hope this is in time.   If not, you can never 
> have too many 22s! ;-) I don't think you can not go wrong with the Marlin 
> range of 22's.  They're semi auto and not expensive - around $250 IIRC - and 
> available with aa tubular magazine or a clip.  They also make a bolt action 
> version.  My Dad gave me mine in 1967 when I was 17 and it still shoots 
> perfectly. Finally got my wife to go to the range with me and she loves that 
> 22!
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 05/25/2018 3:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.
>> 
>> I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what others 
>> have and are actively using, and for what.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Sorry I failed to write sooner, hope this is in time.   If not, you can 
never have too many 22s! ;-) I don't think you can not go wrong with the 
Marlin range of 22's.  They're semi auto and not expensive - around $250 
IIRC - and available with aa tubular magazine or a clip.  They also make 
a bolt action version.  My Dad gave me mine in 1967 when I was 17 and it 
still shoots perfectly. Finally got my wife to go to the range with me 
and she loves that 22!


Good luck,

LarryT


On 05/25/2018 3:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.

I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what others 
have and are actively using, and for what.

Thanks!

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Nice! I do like stainless on firearms. Titanium is even nicer. Marlin is pretty 
good stuff. I had one of those in blue at one time. Enjoy!

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

Dang it.  Even below the limit my pictures never seem to go through…

Look here:

http://penoff.com/photodump.html <http://penoff.com/photodump.html>

-D




> On May 29, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dropped sync, repeat that part following "...for $180:"
> -- 
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> '95 E300
> 
> On May 29, 2018 5:49:48 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Bought this for $180.00:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Doesn’t even look like it’s been fired.
>> 
>> If I can pull it off I’m going to the range after work tomorrow to
>> break it in.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just ordered me a Spee-D-Loader for it, too…

-D


> On May 29, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed.  I like the sights on it, so the scope will come off.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On May 29, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If you can see through the scope on that, you must have a very long face. 
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed.  I like the sights on it, so the scope will come off.

-D


> On May 29, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If you can see through the scope on that, you must have a very long face. 
> 
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If you can see through the scope on that, you must have a very long face. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

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That looks nice!

When I was a kid, the only semi auto weapons we had were pistols, which we 
children rarely got to shoot.  All rifles and shotguns required the user  to 
work the action and chamber a round.  
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 29, 2018 6:51:19 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Dang it.  Even below the limit my pictures never seem to go through…
>
>Look here:
>
>http://penoff.com/photodump.html 
>
>-D
>
>
>
>
>> On May 29, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Dropped sync, repeat that part following "...for $180:"
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On May 29, 2018 5:49:48 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>> Bought this for $180.00:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Doesn’t even look like it’s been fired.
>>> 
>>> If I can pull it off I’m going to the range after work tomorrow to
>>> break it in.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m a sucker for stainless steel finishes on firearms.

-D


> On May 29, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Sweet, I like the combination of lighter wood and stainless.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 6:51:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dang it.  Even below the limit my pictures never seem to go through…
> 
> Look here:
> 
> http://penoff.com/photodump.html  
>  >
> 
> -D
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sweet, I like the combination of lighter wood and stainless.

-Curt
 

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 6:51:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Dang it.  Even below the limit my pictures never seem to go through…

Look here:

http://penoff.com/photodump.html 

-D




> On May 29, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dropped sync, repeat that part following "...for $180:"
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On May 29, 2018 5:49:48 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Bought this for $180.00:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Doesn’t even look like it’s been fired.
>> 
>> If I can pull it off I’m going to the range after work tomorrow to
>> break it in.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If you click on the “Download” button you’ll get a full sized image, too.

-D


> On May 29, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dang it.  Even below the limit my pictures never seem to go through…
> 
> Look here:
> 
> http://penoff.com/photodump.html 
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 29, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dropped sync, repeat that part following "...for $180:"
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On May 29, 2018 5:49:48 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>> Bought this for $180.00:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Doesn’t even look like it’s been fired.
>>> 
>>> If I can pull it off I’m going to the range after work tomorrow to
>>> break it in.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dang it.  Even below the limit my pictures never seem to go through…

Look here:

http://penoff.com/photodump.html 

-D




> On May 29, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dropped sync, repeat that part following "...for $180:"
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On May 29, 2018 5:49:48 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Bought this for $180.00:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Doesn’t even look like it’s been fired.
>> 
>> If I can pull it off I’m going to the range after work tomorrow to
>> break it in.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Dropped sync, repeat that part following "...for $180:"
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 29, 2018 5:49:48 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Bought this for $180.00:
>
>
>
>
>Doesn’t even look like it’s been fired.
>
>If I can pull it off I’m going to the range after work tomorrow to
>break it in.
>
>-D
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Bought this for $180.00:




Doesn’t even look like it’s been fired.

If I can pull it off I’m going to the range after work tomorrow to break it in.

-D


> On May 27, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I never priced a henry, and I am aware of the current value of a Model 61, 
> but every once in a while there is one with some use that goes well under the 
> mark you mentioned.   5-6 bills can get you one if you are parient, and a 10 
> 22 will NOT appreciate, where a 61 or savage 24 will.   I have been sorely 
> tempted to glom onto some of the un appreciated 61s I have seen sell.
> 
> You needed to buy them in 1965-70.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Goodness, Curley, you’ve got some expensive tastes in .22 rifles!
>> 
>> I thought the Henrys were expensive, but looking on GunBroker a nice 
>> Winchester 61 or 1906 is approaching $1,000!
>> 
>> S class tastes with a W123 budget….
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The 61 s aesthetically pleasing, well made, accurate, dependable, and 
versatile.   Personally, I prefer the tube magazine over the rotary.  
Tube is easy to load, and easy to dump.  no skill or dexterity 
required.  You can do it in heavy gloves or even mittens.   It will 
retain its value, which a new 10-22 wont, and may appreciate further.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Meh, its the lever gun with a pump, the rear of the receiver and exposed hammer 
ruin the lines.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771980289

Winchester 61 is the one I'd want, or a Savage. Browning made a square back 
thats cool looking but the wood on the pump is too big.

-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Agreed! Use enough gun. 

Greg

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If we're talking woodchucks at ranges up to 75 yards, a 38gr .22LR HP to the 
brain ends it instantly. 

Over 100 yards, it's centerfire time. I like a .223 with 45gr HP, around 
3600fps at the muzzle. Either takes the head off, or puts a baseball sized hole 
through the ribs, your choice. 

Mitch.

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If we're talking woodchucks at ranges up to 75 yards, a 38gr .22LR HP to the 
brain ends it instantly. 

Over 100 yards, it's centerfire time. I like a .223 with 45gr HP, around 
3600fps at the muzzle. Either takes the head off, or puts a baseball sized hole 
through the ribs, your choice. 

Mitch.

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[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

<<... at ranges you can reliably hit the brain.>>

That's why a higher standard of accuracy is required (IMO) in a .22 rimfire!

Greg

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> On May 29, 2018 at 11:46 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> After last week at camp I'm considering a .22mag. Had some very hard to 
> dispatch critters where even 40gr, 1350fps wasn't enough. .22 mag runs 40gr 
> to almost 2000fps, gets more range and a low more force.

.22LR is more than ample for any 'pest' species at ranges you can reliably hit 
the brain. It just takes a little anatomical knowledge to know where the brain 
is. 

Mitch.

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Kinetic energy is mass times velocity squared, the tougher the critter is the 
more energy you need. In a .22 you really can't go over 40gr (although I seem 
to remember somebody selling 45 I can't find them now) so velocity is the way 
get get more energy and 1300 seems to be about the top.

I've never been that excited about hollow points in a .22, if you get a head 
shot (which is the only humane thing on larger varmints) the bullet doesn't 
come back out anyway. If I were worried about the bullet coming out the other 
side it'd make more sense.

I'm looking at ground hogs in the 100 yard range, CCI says mini-mag is 87 #ft 
at 100 yards with a 2.5" drop, subsonic is 72 #ft with a 4.6" drop. .22lr isn't 
really effective after 100 yards which is why I'm thinking of .22mag which 
ought to buy another 50 yards anyway.

-Curt
 

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 12:21:19 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I recently discovered CCI segmented HP subsonic 22LR ammo, 40gr, 1050 fps.
Labeled "Varmint". I haven't had an opportunity to shoot a varmint with it
yet, but it clearly splits open an aluminum can filled with water much more
violently than a standard 22LR hollow point. Might be worth a try rather
than finding a new rifle . . .

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Heh, Dad owns something like 50. For awhile he was collecting "boys
> rifles" which were the kind given away for buying a bunch of comic books or
> selling "Grit" or whatnot.
>
> For general purpose I'll always recommend the Ruger 10/22. They've sold a
> gazillion of them,t hey shoot good right out of the box and the rotary
> magazine is the bees knees. Folks like the Marlin equivalent but I can't
> stand a tubular magazine. Last I knew the 10/22 was still available in the
> sub $200 range.
> My dad built a 10/22 with a heavy competition barrel, laminated stock and
> 24x scope to shoot metallic silhouettes with. The ones we were shooting at
> 100 yards had to be hit within 1/2" of the top to fall, no fall, no score.
> That was with Super-X high velocity ammo at 1350fps, anything less and it
> probably wouldn't fall...
>
> If you're into bolt action the 77/22 is a great gun but I think
> overpriced. There are a host of old target rifles available for small
> money, everybody wants a synthetic stock and big optics these days so older
> guns are cheap.
>
> After last week at camp I'm considering a .22mag. Had some very hard to
> dispatch critters where even 40gr, 1350fps wasn't enough. .22 mag runs 40gr
> to almost 2000fps, gets more range and a low more force.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>    On Friday, May 25, 2018, 3:05:11 PM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.
>
> I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what
> others have and are actively using, and for what.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

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> On May 29, 2018 at 11:46 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> After last week at camp I'm considering a .22mag. Had some very hard to 
> dispatch critters where even 40gr, 1350fps wasn't enough. .22 mag runs 40gr 
> to almost 2000fps, gets more range and a low more force.

.22LR is more than ample for any 'pest' species at ranges you can reliably hit 
the brain. It just takes a little anatomical knowledge to know where the brain 
is. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I should have prefaced my previous statement with "among competition shooters".
A synthetic stock is much more temperature and humidity stable which translates 
into better accuracy which is what you need in competition. Its also easier to 
place the balance point exactly where you want it which might change for 
different shooting positions.

Depends on what you're looking for, I also prefer wood.

-Curt
 

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 11:50:46 AM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
Curt sez:

>There are a host of old target rifles available for >small money, everybody 
>wants a synthetic stock >and big optics these days so older guns are >cheap.

 Really?

I much prefer walnut.                                                           
                          
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

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Going to go look at a Marlin 60 in stainless after work. Looks like a nice 
rifle for $180.00.

-D

> On May 29, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Meh, its the lever gun with a pump, the rear of the receiver and exposed 
> hammer ruin the lines.
> https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771980289
> 
> Winchester 61 is the one I'd want, or a Savage. Browning made a square back 
> thats cool looking but the wood on the pump is too big.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Friday, May 25, 2018, 11:26:26 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Have a look at this before you decide.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwIvfnz2amM
> 
> It's one of the 22 rifles you can own and it will retain good value.
> 
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That’s close by.  Looks like they’ve got 8 of them.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2018, at 9:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772728925
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I recently discovered CCI segmented HP subsonic 22LR ammo, 40gr, 1050 fps.
Labeled "Varmint". I haven't had an opportunity to shoot a varmint with it
yet, but it clearly splits open an aluminum can filled with water much more
violently than a standard 22LR hollow point. Might be worth a try rather
than finding a new rifle . . .

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> Heh, Dad owns something like 50. For awhile he was collecting "boys
> rifles" which were the kind given away for buying a bunch of comic books or
> selling "Grit" or whatnot.
>
> For general purpose I'll always recommend the Ruger 10/22. They've sold a
> gazillion of them,t hey shoot good right out of the box and the rotary
> magazine is the bees knees. Folks like the Marlin equivalent but I can't
> stand a tubular magazine. Last I knew the 10/22 was still available in the
> sub $200 range.
> My dad built a 10/22 with a heavy competition barrel, laminated stock and
> 24x scope to shoot metallic silhouettes with. The ones we were shooting at
> 100 yards had to be hit within 1/2" of the top to fall, no fall, no score.
> That was with Super-X high velocity ammo at 1350fps, anything less and it
> probably wouldn't fall...
>
> If you're into bolt action the 77/22 is a great gun but I think
> overpriced. There are a host of old target rifles available for small
> money, everybody wants a synthetic stock and big optics these days so older
> guns are cheap.
>
> After last week at camp I'm considering a .22mag. Had some very hard to
> dispatch critters where even 40gr, 1350fps wasn't enough. .22 mag runs 40gr
> to almost 2000fps, gets more range and a low more force.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Friday, May 25, 2018, 3:05:11 PM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.
>
> I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what
> others have and are actively using, and for what.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Meh, its the lever gun with a pump, the rear of the receiver and exposed hammer 
ruin the lines.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771980289

Winchester 61 is the one I'd want, or a Savage. Browning made a square back 
thats cool looking but the wood on the pump is too big.

-Curt
 

On Friday, May 25, 2018, 11:26:26 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Have a look at this before you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwIvfnz2amM

It's one of the 22 rifles you can own and it will retain good value.

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> That’s close by.  Looks like they’ve got 8 of them.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 25, 2018, at 9:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772728925
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

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Curt sez:

>There are a host of old target rifles available for >small money, everybody 
>wants a synthetic stock >and big optics these days so older guns are >cheap.

 Really?

I much prefer walnut.   
  
Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Heh, Dad owns something like 50. For awhile he was collecting "boys rifles" 
which were the kind given away for buying a bunch of comic books or selling 
"Grit" or whatnot.

For general purpose I'll always recommend the Ruger 10/22. They've sold a 
gazillion of them,t hey shoot good right out of the box and the rotary magazine 
is the bees knees. Folks like the Marlin equivalent but I can't stand a tubular 
magazine. Last I knew the 10/22 was still available in the sub $200 range.
My dad built a 10/22 with a heavy competition barrel, laminated stock and 24x 
scope to shoot metallic silhouettes with. The ones we were shooting at 100 
yards had to be hit within 1/2" of the top to fall, no fall, no score. That was 
with Super-X high velocity ammo at 1350fps, anything less and it probably 
wouldn't fall...

If you're into bolt action the 77/22 is a great gun but I think overpriced. 
There are a host of old target rifles available for small money, everybody 
wants a synthetic stock and big optics these days so older guns are cheap.

After last week at camp I'm considering a .22mag. Had some very hard to 
dispatch critters where even 40gr, 1350fps wasn't enough. .22 mag runs 40gr to 
almost 2000fps, gets more range and a low more force.

-Curt
 

On Friday, May 25, 2018, 3:05:11 PM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.

I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what others 
have and are actively using, and for what.

Thanks!

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I never priced a henry, and I am aware of the current value of a Model 
61, but every once in a while there is one with some use that goes well 
under the mark you mentioned.   5-6 bills can get you one if you are 
parient, and a 10 22 will NOT appreciate, where a 61 or savage 24 
will.   I have been sorely tempted to glom onto some of the un 
appreciated 61s I have seen sell.


You needed to buy them in 1965-70.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Goodness, Curley, you’ve got some expensive tastes in .22 rifles!

I thought the Henrys were expensive, but looking on GunBroker a nice Winchester 
61 or 1906 is approaching $1,000!

S class tastes with a W123 budget….

-D





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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If it was a shotgun for sporting clays or a target pistol/self defense sort of 
firearm, maybe.  But something I’m just going to plink with, I’m not buying an 
investment grade firearm.  The more I see of the 10/22 variants, the entry 
level model continues to come up as the best value for that.

-D

> On May 27, 2018, at 12:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Think of it as an "Estate Investment" ... your heirs can plink with for the
> next 5 generations. ;))
> 
> OTOH... I can remember when a box of 22 shorts went from .19 cents a box to
> .25 cents a box... Money they don't make it like they used to.
> 
> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 5:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Goodness, Curley, you’ve got some expensive tastes in .22 rifles!
>> 
>> I thought the Henrys were expensive, but looking on GunBroker a nice
>> Winchester 61 or 1906 is approaching $1,000!
>> 
>> S class tastes with a W123 budget….
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Think of it as an "Estate Investment" ... your heirs can plink with for the
next 5 generations. ;))

OTOH... I can remember when a box of 22 shorts went from .19 cents a box to
.25 cents a box... Money they don't make it like they used to.

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 5:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Goodness, Curley, you’ve got some expensive tastes in .22 rifles!
>
> I thought the Henrys were expensive, but looking on GunBroker a nice
> Winchester 61 or 1906 is approaching $1,000!
>
> S class tastes with a W123 budget….
>
> -D
>
> > On May 26, 2018, at 10:01 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1, about 10 times over.  Semi-autos are finicky.  A pump 22 is the 240D
> of rifles.  It will take bb caps, cb caps, S, L, LR, stdV, or HV, subsonic
> or hypersonic.  You can shoot well just as fast.
> >
> > The henry is a solid choice.  Otherwise, look for Win 61, 1906, or
> similar.   Win 61 is great, but not cheep.  (no birdie)
> >
> > OTOH, if I were to buy a semi, the 10 22 SS takedown would be the only
> one on the list.
> >
> > G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Have a look at this before you decide.
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwIvfnz2amM
> >>
> >> It's one of the 22 rifles you can own and it will retain good value.
> >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Goodness, Curley, you’ve got some expensive tastes in .22 rifles!

I thought the Henrys were expensive, but looking on GunBroker a nice Winchester 
61 or 1906 is approaching $1,000!

S class tastes with a W123 budget….

-D

> On May 26, 2018, at 10:01 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> +1, about 10 times over.  Semi-autos are finicky.  A pump 22 is the 240D of 
> rifles.  It will take bb caps, cb caps, S, L, LR, stdV, or HV, subsonic or 
> hypersonic.  You can shoot well just as fast.
> 
> The henry is a solid choice.  Otherwise, look for Win 61, 1906, or similar.   
> Win 61 is great, but not cheep.  (no birdie)
> 
> OTOH, if I were to buy a semi, the 10 22 SS takedown would be the only one on 
> the list.
> 
> G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> Have a look at this before you decide.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwIvfnz2amM
>> 
>> It's one of the 22 rifles you can own and it will retain good value.
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1, about 10 times over.  Semi-autos are finicky.  A pump 22 is the 240D 
of rifles.  It will take bb caps, cb caps, S, L, LR, stdV, or HV, 
subsonic or hypersonic.  You can shoot well just as fast.


The henry is a solid choice.  Otherwise, look for Win 61, 1906, or 
similar.   Win 61 is great, but not cheep.  (no birdie)


OTOH, if I were to buy a semi, the 10 22 SS takedown would be the only 
one on the list.


G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Have a look at this before you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwIvfnz2amM

It's one of the 22 rifles you can own and it will retain good value.




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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

IMO Only accurate rifles are interesting...and that is especially true of .22 
rimfire rifles. I expect adequate accuracy to enable reliable head shots on 
squirrels out at 25-50 yds. I have a Rem. 541T that can certainly do that. 
Plinking is a lot more fun when you can hit what you're aiming at.

Greg

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Stopped by the local gun shop, spent some time with the owner’s husband (SHE 
owns the store) and he had a number of 10/22 Rugers.  The one I liked the most 
was the target with the bull barrel.  Heavy, but an absolutely beautiful 
firearm:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772333258 
<https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772333258>

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/09/chris-heuss/gun-review-ruger-1022-target-rifle/
 
<http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/09/chris-heuss/gun-review-ruger-1022-target-rifle/>

Hmm.  I don’t see it on Ruger’s web sight, I was really impressed.  Now to 
decide whether I want to plink or shoot targets….

They had a bunch of the Henry’s, too, but he said he wouldn’t recommend one 
unless I was looking for a “legacy” sort of rifle.  I’m not buying it to hand 
it down to my kids when I kick it….

-D




  
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> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2018 at 12:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> $210 at Academy here - - -
> 
> The two most basic models...(which might be what Dan says is $230 after tax 
> at his LGS)
> https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-10-22-22-lr-carbine-autoloading-rifle#repChildCatid=638012
> 
> https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-1022-syn-22-lr-semiautomatic-rifle#repChildCatid=3119737
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Point well taken.

As I start to do my due diligence on this model, it sounds like most reviewers 
didn’t find it to be any better than the stock/standard version as far as 
accuracy. With that in mind I suspect I’ll head back down to that one and be 
happy with it.

Thanks!

-D


> On May 26, 2018, at 4:28 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was considering the target version of the American Rimfire, but then
> SWMBO said that she wanted to shoot it also, so I went with the Compact.
> Surprisingly, both the compact and the target have 18" barrels, I don't
> regret it at all - it's a sweet rifle.
> I don't get the difference between plinking and target - you want to hit
> what you aim at . . .
> 
> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> 
>> Stopped by the local gun shop, spent some time with the owner’s husband
>> (SHE owns the store) and he had a number of 10/22 Rugers.  The one I liked
>> the most was the target with the bull barrel.  Heavy, but an absolutely
>> beautiful firearm:
>> 
>> https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772333258 
>>  > 
>> item/772333258>
>> 
>> http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/09/chris-heuss/gun- 
>> 
>> review-ruger-1022-target-rifle/ > .
>> com/2017/09/chris-heuss/gun-review-ruger-1022-target-rifle/>
>> 
>> Hmm.  I don’t see it on Ruger’s web sight, I was really impressed.  Now to
>> decide whether I want to plink or shoot targets….
>> 
>> They had a bunch of the Henry’s, too, but he said he wouldn’t recommend
>> one unless I was looking for a “legacy” sort of rifle.  I’m not buying it
>> to hand it down to my kids when I kick it….
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I was considering the target version of the American Rimfire, but then
SWMBO said that she wanted to shoot it also, so I went with the Compact.
Surprisingly, both the compact and the target have 18" barrels, I don't
regret it at all - it's a sweet rifle.
I don't get the difference between plinking and target - you want to hit
what you aim at . . .

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Stopped by the local gun shop, spent some time with the owner’s husband
> (SHE owns the store) and he had a number of 10/22 Rugers.  The one I liked
> the most was the target with the bull barrel.  Heavy, but an absolutely
> beautiful firearm:
>
> https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772333258  item/772333258>
>
> http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/09/chris-heuss/gun-
> review-ruger-1022-target-rifle/  com/2017/09/chris-heuss/gun-review-ruger-1022-target-rifle/>
>
> Hmm.  I don’t see it on Ruger’s web sight, I was really impressed.  Now to
> decide whether I want to plink or shoot targets….
>
> They had a bunch of the Henry’s, too, but he said he wouldn’t recommend
> one unless I was looking for a “legacy” sort of rifle.  I’m not buying it
> to hand it down to my kids when I kick it….
>
> -D
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 26, 2018, at 2:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On May 26, 2018 at 12:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> $210 at Academy here - - -
> >
> > The two most basic models...(which might be what Dan says is $230 after
> tax at his LGS)
> > https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-10-22-22-lr-carbine-
> autoloading-rifle#repChildCatid=638012
> >
> > https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-1022-syn-22-lr-
> semiautomatic-rifle#repChildCatid=3119737
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Stopped by the local gun shop, spent some time with the owner’s husband (SHE 
owns the store) and he had a number of 10/22 Rugers.  The one I liked the most 
was the target with the bull barrel.  Heavy, but an absolutely beautiful 
firearm:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772333258 


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/09/chris-heuss/gun-review-ruger-1022-target-rifle/
 


Hmm.  I don’t see it on Ruger’s web sight, I was really impressed.  Now to 
decide whether I want to plink or shoot targets….

They had a bunch of the Henry’s, too, but he said he wouldn’t recommend one 
unless I was looking for a “legacy” sort of rifle.  I’m not buying it to hand 
it down to my kids when I kick it….

-D




  
> On May 26, 2018, at 2:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2018 at 12:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> $210 at Academy here - - -
> 
> The two most basic models...(which might be what Dan says is $230 after tax 
> at his LGS)
> https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-10-22-22-lr-carbine-autoloading-rifle#repChildCatid=638012
> 
> https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-1022-syn-22-lr-semiautomatic-rifle#repChildCatid=3119737
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On May 26, 2018 at 12:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> $210 at Academy here - - -

The two most basic models...(which might be what Dan says is $230 after tax at 
his LGS)
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-10-22-22-lr-carbine-autoloading-rifle#repChildCatid=638012

https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/ruger-1022-syn-22-lr-semiautomatic-rifle#repChildCatid=3119737

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, but we’re not as much of a “gun” state as OK or TX.  Close, but not as 
much.

-D

> On May 26, 2018, at 12:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> $210 at Academy here - - -
> 
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 8:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The 10-22 is surprisingly inexpensive.  I’m seeing them new around here
>> for around $230 out the door.
>> 
>> Thanks again to all - it seems like the Ruger may be the choice, depending
>> on what my gun shop has hanging around.
>> 
>> Like I said earlier, I think I’ll go out tomorrow afternoon and look
>> around as the weather is going to be crappy and the spousal unit is going
>> to be busy helping a friend cater her son’s graduation party.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2018, at 8:58 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I were to get a semi-auto, it would be the Ruger 10-22 take down. I
>>> recently bought a Ruger American Rimfire as I've always wanted a bolt
>>> action rifle. Also, this was my first new fire arm purchase - first one
>>> registered as well.
>>> I really like it - smooth to operate, feels precise, and is accurate to
>>> boot. It uses the same magazines as the 10-22.
>>> 
>>> I'm looking for a decent, though not expensive, scope for it now.
>>> The Bushnell red dot sight is a definite improvement over the "iron"
>> sights
>>> that came with the rifle - I don't like the rear sight.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On 25/05/2018 2:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
 
> I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.
> 
> I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what
> others have and are actively using, and for what.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -D
> 
> ___
> 
> I have the Ruger 10-22 take down model. Easy to haul around as the
>> barrel
 comes off. Comes with its own  pack sack sort of carrying case.
 
 Semi auto with 10 round magazines.
 
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>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
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>> of
>>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>> who
>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>>> for themselves."
>>> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[OK Don via Mercedes]

$210 at Academy here - - -

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 8:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 10-22 is surprisingly inexpensive.  I’m seeing them new around here
> for around $230 out the door.
>
> Thanks again to all - it seems like the Ruger may be the choice, depending
> on what my gun shop has hanging around.
>
> Like I said earlier, I think I’ll go out tomorrow afternoon and look
> around as the weather is going to be crappy and the spousal unit is going
> to be busy helping a friend cater her son’s graduation party.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 25, 2018, at 8:58 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > If I were to get a semi-auto, it would be the Ruger 10-22 take down. I
> > recently bought a Ruger American Rimfire as I've always wanted a bolt
> > action rifle. Also, this was my first new fire arm purchase - first one
> > registered as well.
> > I really like it - smooth to operate, feels precise, and is accurate to
> > boot. It uses the same magazines as the 10-22.
> >
> > I'm looking for a decent, though not expensive, scope for it now.
> > The Bushnell red dot sight is a definite improvement over the "iron"
> sights
> > that came with the rifle - I don't like the rear sight.
> >
> > On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 25/05/2018 2:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >>> I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.
> >>>
> >>> I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what
> >>> others have and are actively using, and for what.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>> ___
> >>>
> >>> I have the Ruger 10-22 take down model. Easy to haul around as the
> barrel
> >> comes off. Comes with its own  pack sack sort of carrying case.
> >>
> >> Semi auto with 10 round magazines.
> >>
> >> RB
> >>
> >>
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> > OK Don
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Have a look at this before you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwIvfnz2amM

It's one of the 22 rifles you can own and it will retain good value.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s close by.  Looks like they’ve got 8 of them.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 25, 2018, at 9:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772728925
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s close by.  Looks like they’ve got 8 of them.

-D


> On May 25, 2018, at 9:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772728925
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772728925

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Here's the one I wish I'd bought:
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/97311/1265/ruger-1022-22lr-rifle-mannlicher-stock

I wanted an International Carbine way back in the 1970s when the MSRP was only 
$85.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The 10-22 is surprisingly inexpensive.  I’m seeing them new around here for 
around $230 out the door.

Thanks again to all - it seems like the Ruger may be the choice, depending on 
what my gun shop has hanging around.

Like I said earlier, I think I’ll go out tomorrow afternoon and look around as 
the weather is going to be crappy and the spousal unit is going to be busy 
helping a friend cater her son’s graduation party.

-D


> On May 25, 2018, at 8:58 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If I were to get a semi-auto, it would be the Ruger 10-22 take down. I
> recently bought a Ruger American Rimfire as I've always wanted a bolt
> action rifle. Also, this was my first new fire arm purchase - first one
> registered as well.
> I really like it - smooth to operate, feels precise, and is accurate to
> boot. It uses the same magazines as the 10-22.
> 
> I'm looking for a decent, though not expensive, scope for it now.
> The Bushnell red dot sight is a definite improvement over the "iron" sights
> that came with the rifle - I don't like the rear sight.
> 
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 25/05/2018 2:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.
>>> 
>>> I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what
>>> others have and are actively using, and for what.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> 
>>> I have the Ruger 10-22 take down model. Easy to haul around as the barrel
>> comes off. Comes with its own  pack sack sort of carrying case.
>> 
>> Semi auto with 10 round magazines.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> 
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> 
> -- 
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> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[OK Don via Mercedes]

If I were to get a semi-auto, it would be the Ruger 10-22 take down. I
recently bought a Ruger American Rimfire as I've always wanted a bolt
action rifle. Also, this was my first new fire arm purchase - first one
registered as well.
I really like it - smooth to operate, feels precise, and is accurate to
boot. It uses the same magazines as the 10-22.

I'm looking for a decent, though not expensive, scope for it now.
The Bushnell red dot sight is a definite improvement over the "iron" sights
that came with the rifle - I don't like the rear sight.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 25/05/2018 2:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.
>>
>> I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what
>> others have and are actively using, and for what.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -D
>>
>> ___
>>
>> I have the Ruger 10-22 take down model. Easy to haul around as the barrel
> comes off. Comes with its own  pack sack sort of carrying case.
>
> Semi auto with 10 round magazines.
>
> RB
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 25/05/2018 2:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.

I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what others 
have and are actively using, and for what.

Thanks!

-D

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I have the Ruger 10-22 take down model. Easy to haul around as the 
barrel comes off. Comes with its own  pack sack sort of carrying case.


Semi auto with 10 round magazines.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks everyone, you’ve given me some good information to go on.

I’m not really that worried about accuracy, so the Mossberg and others, while 
they sure are nice looking rifles, are probably more than I want to invest.  I 
agree that a 10/22 is probably the one.

Since it’s going to be raining like crazy here all weekend thanks to Tropical 
Storm Alberto I think I’ll go over to ye olde gun shoppe and see what they 
might have….

-D


> On May 25, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
> I had an old Remington Speedmaster 552 that was a very good rifle.
> Amazing accuracy.
> They are a bit pricey now.
> 
> https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771518672
> 
> I should get another one. It has a casing deflector that directs the spent 
> shells
> toward the ground, instead of across the line of sight of a lefty.
> 
> The 10/22 is probably a good bet, as others have noted.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I had an old Remington Speedmaster 552 that was a very good rifle.
Amazing accuracy.
They are a bit pricey now.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771518672

I should get another one. It has a casing deflector that directs the spent 
shells
toward the ground, instead of across the line of sight of a lefty.

The 10/22 is probably a good bet, as others have noted.

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When I was a teen, I used to plink twigs, smaller in diameter than a .22 
bullet, with my Marlin 60. That'd be about as cheap as it gets. 

Ruger 10/22 is always a safe bet. Buy one used, sell it for breakeven when you 
get tired of it. 

If you want top accuracy, $400 should get you a bolt action CZ or a Marlin 2000 
target rifle. 

I've got a Winchester 75 for that sort of duty, but those are expensive 
collectors items now. 
Might find a Mossberg 144LS for a fair price. Like my Winchester, prices 
bottomed out 30-40 years ago so you can't really lose money on one. 
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772624460
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Don't have one at the moment, but Ruger 10-22s are well regarded as
semi-auto plinkers...

-MMM-


On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.
>
> I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what
> others have and are actively using, and for what.
>
> Thanks!
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> -D
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[MBZ] OT - .22 Rifles

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I know some here have .22 caliber rifles they plink with.

I’m thinking about buying one myself, and would be interested in what others 
have and are actively using, and for what.

Thanks!

-D

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