subject:"\[MBZ\] TRAILER \& block heater for Chris"

I can tell you a trailer with too much weight on the back is VERY 
squirrelly and dangerous.  In fact, if you use a regular 16-18 foot 
utility trailer to haul a car, and put the car on backwards, it will be 
dangerous because the front of the car weights more than the back.


Fmiser wrote:

Christopher wrote:


That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 


To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the mass
needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better. 50%
is best (it's then called a "semi-trailer" -like the big
trucks use - rather than a "full trailer"). With a majority of
the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side
disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass behind
the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a common
cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch.

With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900 kg)
trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross weight
of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960 lb
(435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very back of
your van. It _will_ raise the front.

The solution is "weight distributing". It is a bulky hitch
assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With the aid
of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch
point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is some
of the weight is "distributed" to the trailer and steer axles
- but the mass stays so the stability is not affected.

Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it - at
least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck
weight. 


-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris


If you have a long enough trailer I guess you could.

Christopher McCann wrote:

Can't you achieve the same thing by moving the car back (away from the hitch) 
on the trailer?

Chris



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From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 11:19 AM
Christopher McCann wrote:

That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution
hitch? 


You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and
run below the tongue with chains bending them up towards the
tongue. Transfers weight from the back wheels of the tow
vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels.
http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread R A Bennell

I think people use the front receiver mount because they find it easier to 
maneuver  a trailer driving forward
rather than trying to back up. I have never tried it myself and it does not 
sound like it would be that much
better. I suppose it might give a tighter turning circle given the front wheels 
of the vehicle would turn quicker
than the back end. Sort of the reverse of a boat which essentially steers from 
the back rather than the front as
with a car.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris


Can't help you much with the length other then to say that after looking
into my future prognosticator and seeing that you will definitely never
have to haul anything longer than the SD or SDL, ever a 21' wouldn't
go amiss. But that's just my view. Told you it wouldn't help much.

The winch I can help with. My son-in-law had a 9000lb winch that was
mounted so that it could be slid into a 2" receiver hitch on the back or
front of his pickup. Yeah he had one on the front as well as the back. I
guess that way it wouldn't matter which way he wanted to haul a trailer
or how he got stuck. There were also plug in points to plug the power
cables in. I made him a receiver that was welded onto the trailer tongue
so that all he had to do was slide the winch in there put in the pin,
plug it in on the back of the truck and away you go.  One winch that can
be used anywhere there is a 2" receiver and a 12v power plug. Course I
guess you could also make some long jumper cables to go from the winch
all the way up to the battery and that way you can use the winch on any
  vehicle. Any which way you will need to use some heavy cable to run a
good sized winch.

Manfred





Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:02:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher McCann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title
  (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps
and be
  very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers
  cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over).What do y'all
suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an
  SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled.

If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem
  to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is
  probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job?

Chris

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread MG

Can't help you much with the length other then to say that after looking 
into my future prognosticator and seeing that you will definitely never 
have to haul anything longer than the SD or SDL, ever a 21' wouldn't 
go amiss. But that's just my view. Told you it wouldn't help much.


The winch I can help with. My son-in-law had a 9000lb winch that was 
mounted so that it could be slid into a 2" receiver hitch on the back or 
front of his pickup. Yeah he had one on the front as well as the back. I 
guess that way it wouldn't matter which way he wanted to haul a trailer 
or how he got stuck. There were also plug in points to plug the power 
cables in. I made him a receiver that was welded onto the trailer tongue 
so that all he had to do was slide the winch in there put in the pin, 
plug it in on the back of the truck and away you go.  One winch that can 
be used anywhere there is a 2" receiver and a 12v power plug. Course I 
guess you could also make some long jumper cables to go from the winch 
all the way up to the battery and that way you can use the winch on any 
 vehicle. Any which way you will need to use some heavy cable to run a 
good sized winch.


Manfred





Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:02:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher McCann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title
 (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps 
and be

 very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers
 cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over).What do y'all 
suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an

 SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled.

If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem
 to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is
 probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job?

Chris

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

It seems than at Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:02:47 -0800 (PST),
Christopher wrote:

> Thanks for explaining that. Now I can see why it's not enough
> to move the car back on the trailer till the trailer doesn't
> put much weight on the tongue...that shifts too much mass to
> the rear causing swerving and unsteadiness.
> 
> Best is to move 50% of the mass forward, if not more, and use
> the weight distribution hitch to distribute the weight of the
> car back to the trailer. 
> 
> Do I have that right?

Yeah, but you won't likely get %50 of the mass in front with a
big load. Big weight distributing hitches can "distribute" up to
1500 lbs (680 kg) away from the hitch. I did achieve close to
that when I hauled a big riding mower. Put it entirely in front
of the axle and cranked up the distrib. Rode _very_ nice!

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread tyler

I'll vouch for the importance of enough tounge weight.

Once late in the evening after a long day, I loaded up a car trailer
with a honda motorcycle in front, and a Volvo 244 sedan just behind it.
I didn't realize that the width of the motorcycle caused the cars weight
to be centered behind the axle, and I had a slightly negative tounge weight!

I got on the freeway on level ground, and the trailer began oscillating
until it whipped the car and trailer around 180 degrees, such that I was
facing backwards on the freeway. I drove slowly the wrong way down an
empty onramp just in time before a truck came, and eventually was able
to stop the vehicle and correct the weight distribution. The trailer
jackknifing on the freeway destroyed the unibody of my beloved 1983
Volvo 760 Turbo Diesel, and I had to transfer the drivetrain into a
replacement chassis. Luckily nobody was hurt.

I now test the tounge weight of a trailer every time I tow...

Tyler

Christopher McCann wrote:

Thanks for explaining that. Now I can see why it's not enough to move the car
back on the trailer till the trailer doesn't put much weight on the
tongue...that shifts too much mass to the rear causing swerving and
unsteadiness.

Best is to move 50% of the mass forward, if not more, and use the weight distribution hitch to distribute the weight of the car back to the trailer.

Do I have that right?

Chris

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

Thanks for explaining that. Now I can see why it's not enough to move the car 
back on the trailer till the trailer doesn't put much weight on the 
tongue...that shifts too much mass to the rear causing swerving and 
unsteadiness.

Best is to move 50% of the mass forward, if not more, and use the weight 
distribution hitch to distribute the weight of the car back to the trailer. 

Do I have that right?

Chris

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Fmiser  wrote:

> From: Fmiser 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:38 PM
> > Christopher wrote:
> 
> > That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution
> hitch? 
> 
> To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the
> mass
> needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better.
> 50%
> is best (it's then called a "semi-trailer"
> -like the big
> trucks use - rather than a "full trailer"). With
> a majority of
> the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side
> disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass
> behind
> the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a
> common
> cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch.
> 
> With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900
> kg)
> trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross
> weight
> of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960
> lb
> (435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very
> back of
> your van. It _will_ raise the front.
> 
> The solution is "weight distributing". It is a
> bulky hitch
> assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With
> the aid
> of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch
> point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is
> some
> of the weight is "distributed" to the trailer and
> steer axles
> - but the mass stays so the stability is not affected.
> 
> Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it
> - at
> least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck
> weight. 
> 
> -- Philip
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

> Christopher wrote:

> That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 

To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the mass
needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better. 50%
is best (it's then called a "semi-trailer" -like the big
trucks use - rather than a "full trailer"). With a majority of
the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side
disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass behind
the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a common
cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch.

With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900 kg)
trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross weight
of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960 lb
(435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very back of
your van. It _will_ raise the front.

The solution is "weight distributing". It is a bulky hitch
assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With the aid
of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch
point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is some
of the weight is "distributed" to the trailer and steer axles
- but the mass stays so the stability is not affected.

Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it - at
least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck
weight. 

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > '92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon - it's one ton (seats 15). It
> > should do the job. I see that electric brakes on one axle
> > seems to be a requirement in most states.

> Kaleb wrote:
>
> yea, that should do it.  You need brakes.

And it would be a good idea to get a weight distributing hitch -
if you haul any significant weight.

--  Philip 

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

Can't you achieve the same thing by moving the car back (away from the hitch) 
on the trailer?

Chris



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> From: Mitch Haley 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 11:19 AM
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution
> hitch? 
> 
> You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and
> run below the tongue with chains bending them up towards the
> tongue. Transfers weight from the back wheels of the tow
> vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels.
> http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx
> 
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

I dont need no stinking weight dist hitch on the duramax, it doesnt even 
know I got anything hooked up to it.  I can see using one on a regular 
3/4 ton (mine is HD) or a 1/2 ton, but I dont really need one.


Mitch Haley wrote:

Christopher McCann wrote:
That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 


You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and run below the 
tongue with chains bending them up towards the tongue. Transfers weight 
from the back wheels of the tow vehicle to the front wheels and trailer 
wheels.

http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris


hahahahahahahahahah  I meant winch.

Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you need a big heavy duty wench like I have.


Do I have to subscribe to "Banned" to tell her you said that?

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley


Christopher McCann wrote:
That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 


You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and run below the tongue 
with chains bending them up towards the tongue. Transfers weight from the back 
wheels of the tow vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels.

http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 

Chris


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> From: Fmiser 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 3:18 AM
> It seems than at Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:07:35 -0500, Allan
> wrote:
> 
> > Christopher McCann 
> writes:
> > 
> > > OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home
> made, must have
> > > title (usually the home made ones are the ones
> w/o title),
> > > must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage
> (I've seen
> > > several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a
> trailer that
> > > swerves all over).
> > 
> > I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair
> place.  They
> > probably have or know of local used ones for sale.
> 
> I bought mine from a local fabricator. Stillwater Supply,
> MO I-44
> exit 230. Since they build them there, I was able to
> customize
> it. Extra stake pockets, longer tongue, brakes on both
> axles,
> sealed "big truck" type lights, etc. I probably
> have close to
> $4,000 in the system, with trailer, weight distrib hitch
> (HIGHLY
> recommended), stake sides, and so on.  Plan on keeping it a
> while. 
> 
> --Philip
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

yea, that should do it.  You need brakes.


And if you're buying a brake controller, Tekonsha Prodigy.
(yeah the Jordan's pretty good too, but who wants to mess with the cable to the 
brake pedal?)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

Kaleb says, "you need a big heavy duty wench like I have."

Ummm...LOL...uh...no comment. :-)

Chris




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> From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:03 AM
> It means its able to roll up to 2000 lbs.  If you are
> talking about those little portable ones, those work just
> fine pulling a car up on a car dolly or something.  Forget
> about dragging a dead wrecked car with 4 flat tires up on a
> car trailer though, you need a big heavy duty wench like I
> have.
> 
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > The winch description (I think it was Harbor Freight)
> mentioned that the winch rating was based on dead weight
> being pulled not lifted. I don't think a 2000lb winch
> can lift 2000lbs...but I'm not sure.
> > 
> > Chris
> 
> -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you need a big heavy duty wench like I have.


Do I have to subscribe to "Banned" to tell her you said that?

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris


yea, that should do it.  You need brakes.

Christopher McCann wrote:

'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon - it's one ton (seats 15). It should do the job. I 
see that electric brakes on one axle seems to be a requirement in most states.

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

It means its able to roll up to 2000 lbs.  If you are talking about 
those little portable ones, those work just fine pulling a car up on a 
car dolly or something.  Forget about dragging a dead wrecked car with 4 
flat tires up on a car trailer though, you need a big heavy duty wench 
like I have.


Christopher McCann wrote:

The winch description (I think it was Harbor Freight) mentioned that the winch 
rating was based on dead weight being pulled not lifted. I don't think a 2000lb 
winch can lift 2000lbs...but I'm not sure.

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond

Has it got springs? That'd be a wild ride if it didn't...

Doesn't mention anything about brakes either. I'd bet they're mobile home 
axles...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:46:33 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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thats a nasty looking trailer, looks very flimsy, probably  homemade.

Christopher McCann wrote:
> OH MY:
> 
> http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html
> 
> I think that is a steal...am I missing anything?
> 
> Chris

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

It seems than at Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:07:35 -0500, Allan wrote:

> Christopher McCann  writes:
> 
> > OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have
> > title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title),
> > must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen
> > several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that
> > swerves all over).
> 
> I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair place.  They
> probably have or know of local used ones for sale.

I bought mine from a local fabricator. Stillwater Supply, MO I-44
exit 230. Since they build them there, I was able to customize
it. Extra stake pockets, longer tongue, brakes on both axles,
sealed "big truck" type lights, etc. I probably have close to
$4,000 in the system, with trailer, weight distrib hitch (HIGHLY
recommended), stake sides, and so on.  Plan on keeping it a
while. 

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-14 Thread Jim Cathey

What do y'all suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an 
SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled.


My 18' trailer's as short as I'd recommend.  It has lots of other
uses than hauling cars, and you can haul a car and an extra engine
or tranny on it, things like that.  It's hauled hay, wood, furniture,
junk, etc.  Oh, and a few cars.

If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches 
seem to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is 
probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job?


I welded a HF 1-tonner to the front rail.  You're not hanging
the car from a tree to gut it, you're dragging it up the ramps.
The length of which will determine how easy the pull is.  That
HF worm gear jobbie I used is what I'd consider the minimum.
I keep a wrench on the trailer so I can remove the worm gear,
which allows for quick spooling and unspooling.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon - it's one ton (seats 15). It should do the job. I 
see that electric brakes on one axle seems to be a requirement in most states.

Chris


--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

> From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:28 PM
> Well you will need at least an 18 foot trailer with dual
> 3500lb axles, minimum. You will then need something that
> will pull said trailer.  You may be able to get by with a
> 1/2 ton truck, but a 3/4 would be preferable.
> 
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made,
> must have title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o
> title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage
> (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't
> want a trailer that swerves all over).
> > 
> > What do y'all suggest as a minimum length? I would
> think that an SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled.
> > 
> > If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of
> the winches seem to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than
> that and a 116 300SD is probably even heavier...will a 3,000
> lb. winch do the job?
> > 
> > Chris
> 
> -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D
> x2,
>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

good idea, Allan.

Chris



--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Allan Streib  wrote:

> From: Allan Streib 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:07 PM
> Christopher McCann  writes:
> 
> > OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made,
> must have title
> > (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title),
> must have ramps
> > and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen
> several damaged trailers
> > cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all
> over).
> 
> I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair place.
>  They probably
> have or know of local used ones for sale.
> 
> Allan
> -- 
> 1983 300D
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

The winch description (I think it was Harbor Freight) mentioned that the winch 
rating was based on dead weight being pulled not lifted. I don't think a 2000lb 
winch can lift 2000lbs...but I'm not sure.

Chris

--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> From: Mitch Haley 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:16 PM
> A SWB W116 is just over 17' and weighs almost 4000lb.
> I figure a 16' would do it, if the balance worked out,
> because you wouldn't have much leeway in where you place
> the car's wheels on the trailer.
> You're not lifting the car off the ground, you're
> dragging it up an incline, so I suspect the winch rating
> isn't too important. I know from experience that a 150lb
> guy and a 200lb guy can load a 2000lb car on a dolly if they
> try hard enough, I think we were shoving 400-500lb worth at
> the worst point.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

Ebay price is nearly double that now, it seems, from a quick glance.

Chris



--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> From: Mitch Haley 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 9:36 PM
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > OH MY:
> > 
> > http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html
> 
> 2-3 years ago you could buy them new on eBay etc for about
> $895, with lights, new axles, brakes on one axle, and used
> wheels. $1100-1200 with brakes on both axles and four new
> tires/wheels.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-14 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Well you will need at least an 18 foot trailer with dual 3500lb axles, 
minimum. You will then need something that will pull said trailer.  You 
may be able to get by with a 1/2 ton truck, but a 3/4 would be preferable.


Christopher McCann wrote:

OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the 
home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and 
no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that 
swerves all over).

What do y'all suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an SDL/SEL would 
be the longest thing hauled.

If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem to be 
2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is probably even 
heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job?

Chris


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 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-14 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

there is no substitute for spending the money on a quality trailer.  A 
trailer is not something you want to skimp on.  No way no how.  You 
could kill yourself or others.  Plan to spend a good 1.5-2k on a good 
car trailer.


Rich Thomas wrote:
You gotta be careful about trailers and their load ratings and tires and 
frame materials and all that.  A lot of goobers get those house trailer 
axles and make a trailer, they aren't good for much but Home Depot 
runs.  I saw a coupla Mexicans on Sat with one like that, an Explorer on 
it, and the trailer was close to collapsing.   To haul a car you need 
something pretty stout.


--R



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 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-14 Thread Mitch Haley



A SWB W116 is just over 17' and weighs almost 4000lb.
I figure a 16' would do it, if the balance worked out, because you wouldn't have 
much leeway in where you place the car's wheels on the trailer.
You're not lifting the car off the ground, you're dragging it up an incline, so 
I suspect the winch rating isn't too important. I know from experience that a 
150lb guy and a 200lb guy can load a 2000lb car on a dolly if they try hard 
enough, I think we were shoving 400-500lb worth at the worst point.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-14 Thread Allan Streib

Christopher McCann  writes:

> OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title
> (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps
> and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers
> cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over).

I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair place.  They probably
have or know of local used ones for sale.

Allan
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the 
home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and 
no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that 
swerves all over).

What do y'all suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an SDL/SEL would 
be the longest thing hauled.

If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem to be 
2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is probably even 
heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job?

Chris

--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

> From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:46 PM
> thats a nasty looking trailer, looks very flimsy, probably 
> homemade.
> 
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > OH MY:
> > 
> > http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html
> > 
> > I think that is a steal...am I missing anything?
> > 
> > Chris
> 
> -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D
> x2,
>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-14 Thread Mitch Haley


Christopher McCann wrote:

OH MY:

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html


2-3 years ago you could buy them new on eBay etc for about $895, with lights, 
new axles, brakes on one axle, and used wheels. $1100-1200 with brakes on both 
axles and four new tires/wheels.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-14 Thread Rich Thomas

You gotta be careful about trailers and their load ratings and tires and 
frame materials and all that.  A lot of goobers get those house trailer 
axles and make a trailer, they aren't good for much but Home Depot 
runs.  I saw a coupla Mexicans on Sat with one like that, an Explorer on 
it, and the trailer was close to collapsing.   To haul a car you need 
something pretty stout.


--R

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

thats a nasty looking trailer, looks very flimsy, probably  homemade.

Christopher McCann wrote:

OH MY:

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html

I think that is a steal...am I missing anything?

Chris




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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

2009-01-14 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


thats a nasty looking trailer, looks very flimsy, probably  homemade.

Christopher McCann wrote:

OH MY:

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html

I think that is a steal...am I missing anything?

Chris


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 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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