Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Jim Cathey]

(why is it so hard for amateur stereo
installers to put everything back the way they found it?).


Because even though you push on it just as hard as you
pulled on it to get it open, it never seems to 'stick'!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

Yeah, or at least for producing such a pile of you know what. Current 4 
cylinder Honda's put out close to 200 HP and can move when required to 
do so. Those Mustangs were so bad that it is hard to believe anyone 
bought them.


Randy

On 22/06/2011 2:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Sure, but I still have a hard time forgiving them for putting a 4cyl auto in 
there...

-Curt

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On 21/06/2011 7:06 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I think its my memories from high school in the early 90's where an early-mid 
'80s Mustang was an available POS. A friend had a 4cyl automatic that was a 
particularly galling piece of junk.

-Curt


Later 80's 5.0 was a hot car. Factory headers and roller cam etc.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Curt Raymond]

Sure, but I still have a hard time forgiving them for putting a 4cyl auto in 
there...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:08:23 -0500
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On 21/06/2011 7:06 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I think its my memories from high school in the early 90's where an early-mid 
> '80s Mustang was an available POS. A friend had a 4cyl automatic that was a 
> particularly galling piece of junk.
>
> -Curt
>
Later 80's 5.0 was a hot car. Factory headers and roller cam etc.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> On 21/06/2011 8:52 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>> Offer him $1000 and drag it home.
>> http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2454621704.html
>>
> I like that. Kits are available to make a swap pretty easy too!
>

I'd be all over that if I were in the mood for such a project.  $1K
seems like a good deal if the body is straight and the wood and
leather are decent.  I think I see a door panel mangled to install a
speaker in the fourth picture, though, so I'd be careful of messed-up
wiring and missing trim bits (why is it so hard for amateur stereo
installers to put everything back the way they found it?).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/06/2011 4:59 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
Just yesterday I was thinking about this for some reason unclear.  
Anyway, what I came up with was to get an 80s extended cab S-10/15 
pickup (I had an 83 ext cab, and liked it which is why I thought of 
it, I think that was the first year for them) and do some chopping and 
dropping, put in a 350 and fix up the suspension, maybe bag it, roll 
cage, some nice seats and such.  Maybe more rat rod than something 
polished, but would still be fun.  I'm sure you could find the bits 
for something like that for next to nothing, down south where it 
wouldn't be all rusty, and just build it up as you went and got a few $$.


--R

Not much moom in the cab though. I think perhaps a late 80's 2 wheel 
drive short box extended cab pickup might do the trick. Lowered etc. Not 
hard to come by.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/06/2011 8:52 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Here ya go, Randy.
Offer him $1000 and drag it home.
http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2454621704.html

_

I like that. Kits are available to make a swap pretty easy too!

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> Also, economy is a relative thing. A small block with an overdrive tranny
>  could be quick but not burn the fuel of a big block.

Absolutely right.  This is the trick Detroit uses to get close to 30
mpg highway out of cars with big V-8s, e.g. the current Corvette.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/06/2011 8:36 PM, OK Don wrote:

Safety, economy, and hotrod are mutually exclusive. Pick hotrod, and you
give up the other two. You build one for the pleasure of creation, and the
joy of acceleration, not for practicality.
I'm the one who stuffed an aluminum block Olds 215 into an MGA and drove it
100,000 miles. Lots of fun,_*but I suspect I was lucky to get out alive.
*_
Which is my point exactly. I see no reason in this day and age why a 
"hotrod" cannot be as safe or safer than the average car.
Also, economy is a relative thing. A small block with an overdrive 
tranny  could be quick but not burn the fuel of a big block. I know 
bragging rights are part of the dream, but I am beyond that part of my life.


Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/06/2011 7:06 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I think its my memories from high school in the early 90's where an early-mid 
'80s Mustang was an available POS. A friend had a 4cyl automatic that was a 
particularly galling piece of junk.

-Curt


Later 80's 5.0 was a hot car. Factory headers and roller cam etc.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Kevin Kraly]

One of my uncles in Indiana built a rear engine 1971 Datsun Pickup with a 
455/toronado setup with shortened axles.  It was one heck of a screamer that 
would lift the front end while smoking the rear tires!  I don't know what 
happened to that thing.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Allan Streib]

Randy Bennell  writes:

> I am not sure a finnie would be much safer than old Chevies etc
> either.

Assuming it's still solid, it's most likely much safer than any 60's
Detroit product, though not as safe as modern car.  Even then MB
designed crumple zones and had collapsible steering columns, etc.  The
unibody is also quite sturdy, again assuming it's not seriously rusty.


-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Mitch Haley]

Here ya go, Randy.
Offer him $1000 and drag it home.
http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2454621704.html

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Walt Zarnoch]

Get him to register on Hotrodcoffeeshop.com, we'll make sure he gets
good ideas. :D

Walt

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:36 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> Safety, economy, and hotrod are mutually exclusive. Pick hotrod, and you
> give up the other two. You build one for the pleasure of creation, and the
> joy of acceleration, not for practicality.
> I'm the one who stuffed an aluminum block Olds 215 into an MGA and drove it
> 100,000 miles. Lots of fun, but I suspect I was lucky to get out alive.
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>
>> My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type classic
>> car. He works for a shop that does that sort of thing and that has fanned
>> the flame, so to speak.
>>
>> In any event, I have been thinking of encouraging and participating to some
>> extent as he lacks the cash to do it right now. He has moved out onto his
>> own with his girl friend and they are learning to pay rent etc.
>>
>> So, my reason for posting this is to ask a question.
>>
>> What do you folks think is one of the safer classic cars?
>>
>> Please do not say Mercedes unless you wish to hear tales of how we stuffed
>> a small block Chevy into it as that is the most likely result.
>>
>> I could go for one of the gasser MB's but he will not wish to do so and the
>> point of this is him rather than me.
>>
>> I am sort of guessing that newer is generally better to some extent.
>>
>> For example, one of the 80's Chevy Monte Carlos or Mustangs is likely a
>> better choice than a 55 Chevy in terms of accident protection.
>>
>> He will not be concerned about this sort of thing, but I am and as his
>> father, I would like to steer him in that direction without disclosing that
>> as my purpose.
>>
>> So, what think you all?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> 2001 ML320
> 1992 300D 2.5T
> 1990 300D 2.5T
> 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[OK Don]

Safety, economy, and hotrod are mutually exclusive. Pick hotrod, and you
give up the other two. You build one for the pleasure of creation, and the
joy of acceleration, not for practicality.
I'm the one who stuffed an aluminum block Olds 215 into an MGA and drove it
100,000 miles. Lots of fun, but I suspect I was lucky to get out alive.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type classic
> car. He works for a shop that does that sort of thing and that has fanned
> the flame, so to speak.
>
> In any event, I have been thinking of encouraging and participating to some
> extent as he lacks the cash to do it right now. He has moved out onto his
> own with his girl friend and they are learning to pay rent etc.
>
> So, my reason for posting this is to ask a question.
>
> What do you folks think is one of the safer classic cars?
>
> Please do not say Mercedes unless you wish to hear tales of how we stuffed
> a small block Chevy into it as that is the most likely result.
>
> I could go for one of the gasser MB's but he will not wish to do so and the
> point of this is him rather than me.
>
> I am sort of guessing that newer is generally better to some extent.
>
> For example, one of the 80's Chevy Monte Carlos or Mustangs is likely a
> better choice than a 55 Chevy in terms of accident protection.
>
> He will not be concerned about this sort of thing, but I am and as his
> father, I would like to steer him in that direction without disclosing that
> as my purpose.
>
> So, what think you all?
>
> Randy
>



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1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Yup those early 80's four banger mustangs were quite worthless.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I think its my memories from high school in the early 90's where an early-mid 
'80s Mustang was an available POS. A friend had a 4cyl automatic that was a 
particularly galling piece of junk.

-Curt

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On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
I think the Mustang is probably a better platform than most GM vehicles 
although they are severely uncool...


Mustangs uncool?  Must be a regional thing.  Out here on the West
Coast the '80s Fox-platform 'Stangs are ridiculously popular with
hot-rodders.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Curt Raymond]

I think its my memories from high school in the early 90's where an early-mid 
'80s Mustang was an available POS. A friend had a 4cyl automatic that was a 
particularly galling piece of junk.

-Curt

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On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> I think the Mustang is probably a better platform than most GM vehicles 
> although they are severely uncool...
>

Mustangs uncool?  Must be a regional thing.  Out here on the West
Coast the '80s Fox-platform 'Stangs are ridiculously popular with
hot-rodders.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Mitch Haley]

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0703_volvo_1800/index.html
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Rich Thomas]

Just yesterday I was thinking about this for some reason unclear.  
Anyway, what I came up with was to get an 80s extended cab S-10/15 
pickup (I had an 83 ext cab, and liked it which is why I thought of it, 
I think that was the first year for them) and do some chopping and 
dropping, put in a 350 and fix up the suspension, maybe bag it, roll 
cage, some nice seats and such.  Maybe more rat rod than something 
polished, but would still be fun.  I'm sure you could find the bits for 
something like that for next to nothing, down south where it wouldn't be 
all rusty, and just build it up as you went and got a few $$.


--R

On 6/21/11 2:54 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type 
classic car. He works for a shop that does that sort of thing and that 
has fanned the flame, so to speak.


In any event, I have been thinking of encouraging and participating to 
some extent as he lacks the cash to do it right now. He has moved out 
onto his own with his girl friend and they are learning to pay rent etc.


So, my reason for posting this is to ask a question.

What do you folks think is one of the safer classic cars?

Please do not say Mercedes unless you wish to hear tales of how we 
stuffed a small block Chevy into it as that is the most likely result.


I could go for one of the gasser MB's but he will not wish to do so 
and the point of this is him rather than me.


I am sort of guessing that newer is generally better to some extent.

For example, one of the 80's Chevy Monte Carlos or Mustangs is likely 
a better choice than a 55 Chevy in terms of accident protection.


He will not be concerned about this sort of thing, but I am and as his 
father, I would like to steer him in that direction without disclosing 
that as my purpose.


So, what think you all?

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/06/2011 4:36 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I think the Mustang is probably a better platform than most GM vehicles 
although they are severely uncool...


Mustangs uncool?  Must be a regional thing.  Out here on the West
Coast the '80s Fox-platform 'Stangs are ridiculously popular with
hot-rodders.

Alex

I like the Mustangs but it is generally less expensive to build Chevy 
power and I cannot say I would be one to put a Chevy in a Ford. Just 
seems wrong.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

Not far. Just over the floodway on 59 going south. Before one gets to 
Ile de Chenes.


Randy

On 21/06/2011 4:21 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

Wow, a real job!  How far is Grand Point from Winnipeg?

Andrew

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


Curt Raymond wrote:

Maybe go for a serious challenge like a hot rod Pinto wagon. Oooh what

about an AMC Eagle?


Ever see a mid engine 454/455 Vega Kamback with a Toronado tranny?
(chassis tubbed for giant rear tires, of course)

Or, better yet, put a fairly modern drivetrain, like from a turbo Neon or
Cobalt SS, in a Fiero, X 1/9, or MR2.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/06/2011 3:43 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Seriously? Nothing... A newer car will just allow him to get killed in a more interesting 
way. He'll also drive himself broke in a hurry. Maybe help him learn some of the 
"excitement" of planning for his future.

Yeah I couldn't say that with a straight face either. ;)

I think you've got the feel for it, I think the Mustang is probably a better 
platform than most GM vehicles although they are severely uncool...

Maybe go for a serious challenge like a hot rod Pinto wagon. Oooh what about an 
AMC Eagle?
On the MB front I'd say something like a 560SE with a blower, lowered with 
fancy wheels. The car will handle better than most mid '80s US iron to begin 
with and should tolerate moderate hop up well.

-Curt



I have been urging him to start saving for his retirement and for a home 
too. I wish someone had pushed me a bit harder to save for retirement 
when I was his age. Put away even $50 from each paycheque and after 40 
years one should have a nice little nest egg.


He also won't wish to live in a rented apartment forever and will need a 
good down payment even to look at a house these days. I know things are 
not rosy in the US housing market these days but so far, here, it is 
still going up. One pays $250K plus for a 1000 sq foot bungalow in an 
area one might be willing to live in. Properties here still have bidding 
wars with people paying $20K over asking prices. Won't last forever but 
won't necessarily drop back a whole lot either so even a minimal down 
payment and basic closing costs will run $15K or better.


That is one of the reasons I am thinking of helping him do something 
about a project car. He and his girl are both driving older cars now and 
they won't last forever either. If they have to upgrade or replace their 
daily drivers then that money has to come from somewhere too.


I am not talking about spending a fortune but just about trying to help 
him move forward with his wish to do that sort of thing while still 
trying to save some money for other more practical purposes.


I spoil my kids I guess. My mother thinks so anyway.

He has been pretty good at not totally squandering his earnings. He has 
a whole whack of good quality tools and more fishing equipment than some 
stores. We have provided a series of boats and encouraged his interest 
in fishing. We started out reasonably inexpensively with a light 
aluminum boat and 10 HP motor and then moved up to a bigger aluminum 
boat with a 35Hp and then to a 16 foot Alumacraft with a 70 HP motor. 
All told I have about $6K invested in the boat, trailer etc as we had 
the 70 HP left from another boat that was sold. Much of the money came 
back out of the earlier boats. I made money on the first one and broke 
even on the 2nd one after some significant repairs to it.


We have also provided a series of vehicles for him to drive. Nothing 
really fancy or expensive but he has not had to buy his own. He has 
covered most of his fuel and some repairs during the time when he was an 
apprentice and working for lower wages.


Some of this is an offset as his elder brother got a Masters Degree with 
us footing the bill. Younger brother was not so interested in University 
so he went into the trades and we did not hhve to pay so much for 
tuition and things like laptop computers.


Sort of moved off topic here.

He would no doubt like something like a late 60's Chevelle with a big 
block. I am a bit more concerned about fuel costs.


Randy





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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> I think the Mustang is probably a better platform than most GM vehicles 
> although they are severely uncool...
>

Mustangs uncool?  Must be a regional thing.  Out here on the West
Coast the '80s Fox-platform 'Stangs are ridiculously popular with
hot-rodders.

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[andrew strasfogel]

Wow, a real job!  How far is Grand Point from Winnipeg?

Andrew

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> Maybe go for a serious challenge like a hot rod Pinto wagon. Oooh what
>> about an AMC Eagle?
>>
>
> Ever see a mid engine 454/455 Vega Kamback with a Toronado tranny?
> (chassis tubbed for giant rear tires, of course)
>
> Or, better yet, put a fairly modern drivetrain, like from a turbo Neon or
> Cobalt SS, in a Fiero, X 1/9, or MR2.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[G Mann]

H .. Safety AND Horsepower. OK..

A two door Volvo with an old  school Chrysler Hemi , one that makes 1000 HP
with blower and Zoomie headers?

Somehow young guy + Volvo + 1000 HP Hemi blown engine na
doesn't compute for safety...

What ever he builds encourage him to give it the full roll cage / 5 point
harness / fire suppression system / etc etc treatment it's way cool to
have to strap on before you unleash way to much HP... right?  Safety
starts with the right attitude towards self injury.

Good luck,
Grant...

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>  Maybe go for a serious challenge like a hot rod Pinto wagon. Oooh what
>> about an AMC Eagle?
>>
>
> Ever see a mid engine 454/455 Vega Kamback with a Toronado tranny?
> (chassis tubbed for giant rear tires, of course)
>
> Or, better yet, put a fairly modern drivetrain, like from a turbo Neon or
> Cobalt SS, in a Fiero, X 1/9, or MR2.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:


Maybe go for a serious challenge like a hot rod Pinto wagon. Oooh what about an 
AMC Eagle?


Ever see a mid engine 454/455 Vega Kamback with a Toronado tranny?
(chassis tubbed for giant rear tires, of course)

Or, better yet, put a fairly modern drivetrain, like from a turbo Neon or Cobalt 
SS, in a Fiero, X 1/9, or MR2.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Fmiser]

> Randy Bennell wrote:

> I like the Caprice or Impala SS from the early 90's. Not so
> many around now though. There were lots of cheap beat up ones
> at one time as the police forces used them. My son might be
> convinced to go for something like that.
> He needs it to be good sized as he is 6'3".

1980 Old Cutlass Supreme coupe.  With a Olds 455 big block. :)

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Curt Raymond]

Seriously? Nothing... A newer car will just allow him to get killed in a more 
interesting way. He'll also drive himself broke in a hurry. Maybe help him 
learn some of the "excitement" of planning for his future.

Yeah I couldn't say that with a straight face either. ;)

I think you've got the feel for it, I think the Mustang is probably a better 
platform than most GM vehicles although they are severely uncool...

Maybe go for a serious challenge like a hot rod Pinto wagon. Oooh what about an 
AMC Eagle?
On the MB front I'd say something like a 560SE with a blower, lowered with 
fancy wheels. The car will handle better than most mid '80s US iron to begin 
with and should tolerate moderate hop up well.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:54:03 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] Classic Cars?
Message-ID: <4e00e8cb.1080...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type classic
car. He works for a shop that does that sort of thing and that has
fanned the flame, so to speak.

In any event, I have been thinking of encouraging and participating to
some extent as he lacks the cash to do it right now. He has moved out
onto his own with his girl friend and they are learning to pay rent etc.

So, my reason for posting this is to ask a question.

What do you folks think is one of the safer classic cars?

Please do not say Mercedes unless you wish to hear tales of how we
stuffed a small block Chevy into it as that is the most likely result.

I could go for one of the gasser MB's but he will not wish to do so and
the point of this is him rather than me.

I am sort of guessing that newer is generally better to some extent.

For example, one of the 80's Chevy Monte Carlos or Mustangs is likely a
better choice than a 55 Chevy in terms of accident protection.

He will not be concerned about this sort of thing, but I am and as his
father, I would like to steer him in that direction without disclosing
that as my purpose.

So, what think you all?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Mitch Haley]

Max Dillon wrote:

Caprice Classic wagon?


Kingswood or Vista Cruiser.
Mit chromed Keystone Classics.

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> What do you folks think is one of the safer classic cars?

How about a big old Cadillac from the '70s or early '80s, before they
downsized and went to FWD?  Drop a built SBC in there with a
tall-geared transmission and rear end and you'd get performance way
better than stock and decent gas mileage to boot.  You could surprise
a lot of souped-up Hondas at stop lights with that setup. ;)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Mitch Haley]

Randy Bennell wrote:


I am not sure a finnie would be much safer than old Chevies etc either.


Marshall looked into it and bought a new finnie right after his wife was killed 
in an old Chevy or similar.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

I like the Caprice or Impala SS from the early 90's. Not so many around 
now though. There were lots of cheap beat up ones at one time as the 
police forces used them. My son might be convinced to go for something 
like that.

He needs it to be good sized as he is 6'3".

Randy

On 21/06/2011 2:16 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

Caprice Classic wagon?

  Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
'95 E300 283k miles (daily driving duties)
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From: Randy Bennell
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 2:54:03 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type classic car. He
works for a shop that does that sort of thing and that has fanned the flame, so
to speak.

In any event, I have been thinking of encouraging and participating to some
extent as he lacks the cash to do it right now. He has moved out onto his own
with his girl friend and they are learning to pay rent etc.

So, my reason for posting this is to ask a question.

What do you folks think is one of the safer classic cars?

Please do not say Mercedes unless you wish to hear tales of how we stuffed a
small block Chevy into it as that is the most likely result.

I could go for one of the gasser MB's but he will not wish to do so and the
point of this is him rather than me.

I am sort of guessing that newer is generally better to some extent.

For example, one of the 80's Chevy Monte Carlos or Mustangs is likely a better
choice than a 55 Chevy in terms of accident protection.

He will not be concerned about this sort of thing, but I am and as his father, I
would like to steer him in that direction without disclosing that as my purpose.

So, what think you all?

Randy






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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/06/2011 2:08 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Randy Bennell wrote:
My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type 
classic car. He works for a shop that does that sort of thing and 
that has fanned the flame, so to speak.


If you can find a solid finnie, W108, etc that was destined for scrap 
or parting out, why not use it?



As I said, sort of, I might want to do that but he won't.

He has little or no interest in my 300D. He thinks it should be lowered 
and have big wheels etc.


I am not sure a finnie would be much safer than old Chevies etc either.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/06/2011 2:10 PM, E M wrote:

No rod or muscle car is going to be as safe as a modern car.  Having said
that, I would think if you're doing a rod, you can update it with some
modern features, like better seats for neck protection,modern steering
columns, etc., along with proper belts.  I prefer hardtops over drop tops,
not that the old ones offered great roll over protection.  Partial rollover
bars can be added if you want.  More than crash protection, I think with
these old machines, building in crash avoidance wherever you can (like
modern disk brakes, etc), and most of all, driving it with the respect that
an old car with limited crash protection offers, is the way to go.

The benefit of going to a muscle car, or building a musle car, is that there
are many vendors offereing body and mechanical bits for cars like Stangs and
Chevs.  With a true rod, many of the bits will most like have  to be custom,
and I'm now sure that really the way to go for a first time project.  There
are lots of part finished rods sitting around, were people just got tired of
them, and walked away.

Either way, good luck with the venture.

Ed
300E

On 21 June 2011 14:54, Randy Bennell  wrote:


My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type classic
car. He works for a shop that does that sort of thing and that has fanned
the flame, so to speak.

In any event, I have been thinking of encouraging and participating to some
extent as he lacks the cash to do it right now. He has moved out onto his
own with his girl friend and they are learning to pay rent etc.

So, my reason for posting this is to ask a question.

What do you folks think is one of the safer classic cars?

Please do not say Mercedes unless you wish to hear tales of how we stuffed
a small block Chevy into it as that is the most likely result.

I could go for one of the gasser MB's but he will not wish to do so and the
point of this is him rather than me.

I am sort of guessing that newer is generally better to some extent.

For example, one of the 80's Chevy Monte Carlos or Mustangs is likely a
better choice than a 55 Chevy in terms of accident protection.

He will not be concerned about this sort of thing, but I am and as his
father, I would like to steer him in that direction without disclosing that
as my purpose.

So, what think you all?

Randy



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This is where he works. Custom fabrication is their thing. He is not one 
of the "fabricators". He is a licenced mechanic. They have other people 
who are designated fabricators and welders etc.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Max Dillon]

Caprice Classic wagon?

 Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
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From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 2:54:03 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type classic car. 
He 
works for a shop that does that sort of thing and that has fanned the flame, so 
to speak.

In any event, I have been thinking of encouraging and participating to some 
extent as he lacks the cash to do it right now. He has moved out onto his own 
with his girl friend and they are learning to pay rent etc.

So, my reason for posting this is to ask a question.

What do you folks think is one of the safer classic cars?

Please do not say Mercedes unless you wish to hear tales of how we stuffed a 
small block Chevy into it as that is the most likely result.

I could go for one of the gasser MB's but he will not wish to do so and the 
point of this is him rather than me.

I am sort of guessing that newer is generally better to some extent.

For example, one of the 80's Chevy Monte Carlos or Mustangs is likely a better 
choice than a 55 Chevy in terms of accident protection.

He will not be concerned about this sort of thing, but I am and as his father, 
I 
would like to steer him in that direction without disclosing that as my purpose.

So, what think you all?

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[E M]

No rod or muscle car is going to be as safe as a modern car.  Having said
that, I would think if you're doing a rod, you can update it with some
modern features, like better seats for neck protection,modern steering
columns, etc., along with proper belts.  I prefer hardtops over drop tops,
not that the old ones offered great roll over protection.  Partial rollover
bars can be added if you want.  More than crash protection, I think with
these old machines, building in crash avoidance wherever you can (like
modern disk brakes, etc), and most of all, driving it with the respect that
an old car with limited crash protection offers, is the way to go.

The benefit of going to a muscle car, or building a musle car, is that there
are many vendors offereing body and mechanical bits for cars like Stangs and
Chevs.  With a true rod, many of the bits will most like have  to be custom,
and I'm now sure that really the way to go for a first time project.  There
are lots of part finished rods sitting around, were people just got tired of
them, and walked away.

Either way, good luck with the venture.

Ed
300E

On 21 June 2011 14:54, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type classic
> car. He works for a shop that does that sort of thing and that has fanned
> the flame, so to speak.
>
> In any event, I have been thinking of encouraging and participating to some
> extent as he lacks the cash to do it right now. He has moved out onto his
> own with his girl friend and they are learning to pay rent etc.
>
> So, my reason for posting this is to ask a question.
>
> What do you folks think is one of the safer classic cars?
>
> Please do not say Mercedes unless you wish to hear tales of how we stuffed
> a small block Chevy into it as that is the most likely result.
>
> I could go for one of the gasser MB's but he will not wish to do so and the
> point of this is him rather than me.
>
> I am sort of guessing that newer is generally better to some extent.
>
> For example, one of the 80's Chevy Monte Carlos or Mustangs is likely a
> better choice than a 55 Chevy in terms of accident protection.
>
> He will not be concerned about this sort of thing, but I am and as his
> father, I would like to steer him in that direction without disclosing that
> as my purpose.
>
> So, what think you all?
>
> Randy
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Mitch Haley]

Randy Bennell wrote:
My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type classic 
car. He works for a shop that does that sort of thing and that has 
fanned the flame, so to speak.


If you can find a solid finnie, W108, etc that was destined for scrap or parting 
out, why not use it?


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Re: [MBZ] Classic Cars?

[Walt Zarnoch]

Firebird's are always good, as are Stangs an Corvettes.

Maybe an old Packard if you can find a shell cheap?

Walt
On Jun 21, 2011 2:54 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
> My 22 year old mechanic son has a desire to build a hot rod type classic
> car. He works for a shop that does that sort of thing and that has
> fanned the flame, so to speak.
>
> In any event, I have been thinking of encouraging and participating to
> some extent as he lacks the cash to do it right now. He has moved out
> onto his own with his girl friend and they are learning to pay rent etc.
>
> So, my reason for posting this is to ask a question.
>
> What do you folks think is one of the safer classic cars?
>
> Please do not say Mercedes unless you wish to hear tales of how we
> stuffed a small block Chevy into it as that is the most likely result.
>
> I could go for one of the gasser MB's but he will not wish to do so and
> the point of this is him rather than me.
>
> I am sort of guessing that newer is generally better to some extent.
>
> For example, one of the 80's Chevy Monte Carlos or Mustangs is likely a
> better choice than a 55 Chevy in terms of accident protection.
>
> He will not be concerned about this sort of thing, but I am and as his
> father, I would like to steer him in that direction without disclosing
> that as my purpose.
>
> So, what think you all?
>
> Randy
>
>
>
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