Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
Wha? Having not done any research at all I'd assumed you'd be looking for $5-10k... I'd do $2k for sure! -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:43:15 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Message-ID: CANZcij-snHwfHAkzr5EgYi87cW2b3dM4BrDpMF4auu=uqzz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Update -- Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Nothing to stop you from paying it off in a month or so. Or you can negotiate a financing deal then switch to cash after you have the price set. Mitch. After harrassing/being harrassed at the Dodge, Chevy, GMC, and two Fords dealers, we placed an order for an F150 this afternoon. It's relatively basic, with a few options due to advancing age, and the 5.0L V8. We expect to drive the value out of this truck, and hope that it will be last car we buy (unless I start playing with cars again someday). The X Partner Plan from our EAA membership helped seal the deal with Ford - saved ~ $2000 based on that $50/year membership. Yes - Ford financing gets another $1500 off the price, with a minimum financed of $10,000. You have to make at least four payments, but the first one can be all but $1000 of the balance. The next three will then be minimal, and carry very little interest. Haven't negotiated the trade-ins yet - the ML320 is still up for grabs. I expect to get offered near the Edmunds trade-in value of $1760 for it. Any offers higher than that? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
Update -- Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Nothing to stop you from paying it off in a month or so. Or you can negotiate a financing deal then switch to cash after you have the price set. Mitch. After harrassing/being harrassed at the Dodge, Chevy, GMC, and two Fords dealers, we placed an order for an F150 this afternoon. It's relatively basic, with a few options due to advancing age, and the 5.0L V8. We expect to drive the value out of this truck, and hope that it will be last car we buy (unless I start playing with cars again someday). The X Partner Plan from our EAA membership helped seal the deal with Ford - saved ~ $2000 based on that $50/year membership. Yes - Ford financing gets another $1500 off the price, with a minimum financed of $10,000. You have to make at least four payments, but the first one can be all but $1000 of the balance. The next three will then be minimal, and carry very little interest. Haven't negotiated the trade-ins yet - the ML320 is still up for grabs. I expect to get offered near the Edmunds trade-in value of $1760 for it. Any offers higher than that? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
What dealer are you messing with? Yes I will probably buy it let me know what you get offered but would have to be soon before I buy something else Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:43 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Update -- Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Nothing to stop you from paying it off in a month or so. Or you can negotiate a financing deal then switch to cash after you have the price set. Mitch. After harrassing/being harrassed at the Dodge, Chevy, GMC, and two Fords dealers, we placed an order for an F150 this afternoon. It's relatively basic, with a few options due to advancing age, and the 5.0L V8. We expect to drive the value out of this truck, and hope that it will be last car we buy (unless I start playing with cars again someday). The X Partner Plan from our EAA membership helped seal the deal with Ford - saved ~ $2000 based on that $50/year membership. Yes - Ford financing gets another $1500 off the price, with a minimum financed of $10,000. You have to make at least four payments, but the first one can be all but $1000 of the balance. The next three will then be minimal, and carry very little interest. Haven't negotiated the trade-ins yet - the ML320 is still up for grabs. I expect to get offered near the Edmunds trade-in value of $1760 for it. Any offers higher than that? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
'Did such as that several years ago at dept store for suit, shirts, etc. Salesman was so pushy on getting me a store credit card with its 20% off, etc., I said OK. 'Paid it off with first bill and canceled card at same time; never paid any interest. If that's the way they insist on playing, maybe I can play, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Bank or loan originator. Kick back to finance, because they expect to make more in the interest. Best way to purchase is to let them do paperwork for financing, it loosens them up about dropping price. You have very little cash out of pocket that day, and you have 30 days to pay off in full before the loan kicks in. I tried to argue with the sales fellow about just taking my cash for a car in the 90's. He was adamant that I would get a better deal by financing. Had his manager explain that the bank pays them to sell financing. Dealer could care less if you pay it the next day, he sold the car, bank kicked back for getting another sucker on the line, and you got another $500 off the price. clay On Jan 25, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Wanna run that math by me? If the dealer's making money, who's he getting it from if not me? Cash is King. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
OK Don wrote: We are considering replacing the van with a pickup, as we're mostly using it with the seats out to haul stuff, not people these days. Why not a trailer? Cheaper to purchase, cheaper to own, no dragging empty cargo capacity all the rest of the time. You could probably spend under $1500 and get a trailer with at least 1 ton cargo capacity _and_ the bits needed to allow the car to tow it. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I want a new pickup with warranty, etc... [no] ... extra $7000+ for Diesel Are you planning to drive it to death, or eventually resell it? From what I've seen on the Dodge, you make back nearly the entire front-end cost difference on the back end. Easy enough to check used prices to see. Occasionally I look at the used 94+ DD market, and you _still_ don't really see them for under $10k. We're thinking of a tow packaged 1/2 ton, or a 3/4 ton, basic work truck, If towing/hauling is your metier, go 3/4 ton. Especially with a tow/haul package; my truck has the camper package. The neighbor who drove it carrying two eco-blocks in the back (I was driving the Unimog, carrying two more) was _very_ impressed with how well it handled the (over)load. He has a 1/2t Chevy. His is a better car, mine is a better truck. Mine feels pretty stable, even with the 3000# camper on it. Any opinions (or even facts?) that would over ride price in choosing between Ford, GM, and Chrysler trucks? Bed height? Low-to-high are Chevy, Ford, Dodge. Last time I checked. The snowbirds seem to like 2wd Chevies, they're low to the ground and a lot easier to climb into. I put hoop steps on my (stock) truck. 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton? 3/4, naturally! New effecient V6, or old thirsty V8 engine? New efficient I6! (Diesel. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
Second the motion. I haul all kinds of stuff with my van and trailer. buy a 10' trailer and Air Lift (Brand) air bags for the rear of the van. More versatile that way, and you don't have to shovel snow out of the back of the van. You can even get a small dump trailer if you want. OK Don wrote: We are considering replacing the van with a pickup, as we're mostly using it with the seats out to haul stuff, not people these days. Why not a trailer? Cheaper to purchase, cheaper to own, no dragging empty cargo capacity all the rest of the time. You could probably spend under $1500 and get a trailer with at least 1 ton cargo capacity _and_ the bits needed to allow the car to tow it. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: New effecient V6, or old thirsty V8 engine? You going to put many miles on it? That 25mpg hwy Ram 1500 has me impressed. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
I think you'll find that even the V8s these days are pretty efficient. We talking 4wd? I probably wouldn't bother with a v6. Comparing just a Ford F150 2wd you're looking at 18mpg for the v8 vs 22mpg for the v6. For 4 mpg I'm going big, I'll be happier when I've full bedload. I've found my Ranger handles a heavy load better than the Dakota it replaced did. The Dakota wallowed badly as the springs sagged. The Ranger isn't bad even when loaded way heavy. I've hauled a lot of firewood with each. I forget what you've got for a van but it might be worth considering a utility trailer. Something like the landscapers use but in an HD version can haul a bunch of weight, is cheap to license and insure and has low tax. Especially if your van is paid for... -Curt Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:57:03 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Message-ID: canzcij_-v9qraybm7oahvy3o_d+0gjhppcnyqcdykotqiid...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We are considering replacing the van with a pickup, as we're mostly using it with the seats out to haul stuff, not people these days. My car wrenchs are now airplane wrenchs, so I want a new one with warranty, etc. I'm also cheap, so don't want to spring the extra $7000+ for a Diesel engine. We occasionally haul concrete blocks, sacks of cement, 4X8 sheets of plywood, etc. I once WAY over loaded the SIL's 1/2 ton RAM to the scary point, just by filling the bed to the top with 8X16 concrete blocks. We're thinking of a tow packaged 1/2 ton, or a 3/4 ton, basic work truck, small cab, 8' bed. It looks like Dodge is hungry and under pricing the others in the 1/2 ton market, but the payload specs are lower. Any opinions (or even facts?) that would over ride price in choosing between Ford, GM, and Chrysler trucks? 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton? New effecient V6, or old thirsty V8 engine? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
Very good point. Years ago a friend I went snowmobile hunting with had a 1/2 ton Dodge extended cab on which the bed floor was probably 3.5 or 4 feet high. Lifting a 400# snowmobile into the back of that truck took serious grunt! Whenever we could we'd take my Dakota which was a good 6-1' lower at the tailgate. -Curt Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:36:16 -0600 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Message-ID: bay403-eas5587b24af5e699adf3b3a4dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jan 24, 2013, at 10:57 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Any opinions (or even facts?) that would over ride price in choosing between Ford, GM, and Chrysler trucks? 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton? My cousin just bought a new GMC. He picked it because the bed is somewhat lower, and therefore easier to load than the Ford or Dodge trucks. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
I think you'll find that even the V8s these days are pretty efficient. We talking 4wd? I probably wouldn't bother with a v6. Comparing just a Ford F150 2wd you're looking at 18mpg for the v8 vs 22mpg for the v6. For 4 mpg I'm going big, I'll be happier when I've full bedload. I've found my Ranger handles a heavy load better than the Dakota it replaced did. The Dakota wallowed badly as the springs sagged. The Ranger isn't bad even when loaded way heavy. I've hauled a lot of firewood with each. I forget what you've got for a van but it might be worth considering a utility trailer. Something like the landscapers use but in an HD version can haul a bunch of weight, is cheap to license and insure and has low tax. Especially if your van is paid for... -Curt I still think the trailer is a better choice, but if I were buying a PU, I'd opt for a ~64 chovy of a ~66dogde or frod. You want 65 or later frod w/o twin I beam. The ol PUs are lower, simpler, dependable and easy/cheap to fix if need be. Sheet metal is much heavier on the dogde and frod in particular. Where you live, there might be one in not too beat up condition.No smog crap if you stay pre 72 on PUs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's why I've liked my trailer for nearly 34 years. Trailer has '37 Ford pickup cargo bed, custom axle and wheels; MB 123 wheel covers and a 123 trunk star on tail gate. My 124 tows it very nicely and smoothly.;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks OK Don wrote: We are considering replacing the van with a pickup, as we're mostly using it with the seats out to haul stuff, not people these days. Why not a trailer? Cheaper to purchase, cheaper to own, no dragging empty cargo capacity all the rest of the time. You could probably spend under $1500 and get a trailer with at least 1 ton cargo capacity _and_ the bits needed to allow the car to tow it. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
The van needs more work than I'm willing to put in it. If we get 4x4, I'll probably sell/trade the ML as well, getting us down to two vehicles. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: We are considering replacing the van with a pickup, as we're mostly using it with the seats out to haul stuff, not people these days. Why not a trailer? Cheaper to purchase, cheaper to own, no dragging empty cargo capacity all the rest of the time. You could probably spend under $1500 and get a trailer with at least 1 ton cargo capacity _and_ the bits needed to allow the car to tow it. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I want a new pickup with warranty, etc... [no] ... extra $7000+ for Diesel Are you planning to drive it to death, or eventually resell it? From what I've seen on the Dodge, you make back nearly the entire front-end cost difference on the back end. Easy enough to check used prices to see. Occasionally I look at the used 94+ DD market, and you _still_ don't really see them for under $10k. I'm hoping it will be one of the last vehicles we own - I buy new cars for the duration-- We're thinking of a tow packaged 1/2 ton, or a 3/4 ton, basic work truck, If towing/hauling is your metier, go 3/4 ton. Especially with a tow/haul package; my truck has the camper package. The neighbor who drove it carrying two eco-blocks in the back (I was driving the Unimog, carrying two more) was _very_ impressed with how well it handled the (over)load. He has a 1/2t Chevy. His is a better car, mine is a better truck. Mine feels pretty stable, even with the 3000# camper on it. Hauling - don't plan to tow much. Probably only salvaged airframes at the most - Any opinions (or even facts?) that would over ride price in choosing between Ford, GM, and Chrysler trucks? Bed height? Low-to-high are Chevy, Ford, Dodge. Last time I checked. The snowbirds seem to like 2wd Chevies, they're low to the ground and a lot easier to climb into. I put hoop steps on my (stock) truck. Yes, bed height would be a good consideration. I forgot to mention that I want 4 wheel drive. Although we haven't received much ice/snow the last two years, the red dirt road to our house does get slippery when wet. The ML is really nice with all-wheel drive all the time. Are any of the truck 4x4 systems at all sophisticated, or are they all manual? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: OK Don wrote: New effecient V6, or old thirsty V8 engine? You going to put many miles on it? That 25mpg hwy Ram 1500 has me impressed. Mitch. Only in the long term - the Passat will be the daily driver. We plan to keep it a long time. I'm wondering if the Ram will last? The tranny is needing work in the van, and it lonly has 126,000 miles. The engine looses coolant, can't find where, etc. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think the crew cab trucks are the best invention since sliced bread. I bought my 2002 F150 Supercrew - 4 wheel drive - Lariat trim - 5.4 V8 etc. when it was about 5 years old and had about 90K miles on it. It is now 10 years old and has about 174K miles on it. I have done very little that is not basic maintenance. Tires, battery, brakes etc. It runs fine. Rides good, etc. Has room for 4 to 5 adults in reasonable comfort. Has the short box but that works fine for things like 4X8 sheets of plywood with the tailgate down. I have one of those hitch extender things that mounts into the hitch. I have hauled things that were 22 feet long with that. An awning off of a travel trailer and a mast off of a sailboat. The load capacity might be slightly less due to the size of the box and the fact that the load has to sit further back, but not a whole lot. My brother in law and I hauled loads of left over sod from his place to a friend's place at the same time. His extended cab GMC had a bit more room but not much. I would buy another tomorrow but will have to wait as the one I have will likely last me another 5 to 10 years. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
I concur with the other responders on the 3/4 over 1/2. If you will be hauling a lot of stuff, then 3/4 is the right choice.IMO the Dodge advantage is with their diesel engines. I favor Ford over GM, I think their trucks generally are better engineered and built. My trucks have mostly been diesels so I can't really say about modern gasoline engines. By all means do get the towing package. As far as lifting things into the bed, how about a hydraulic crane designed for that purpose? Or a winch mounted in the front of the bed along with ramps? Lifting heavy objects by hand is an invitation to injury or damage. HF sells such a crane for less than $200 that has good reviews: http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-ton-capacity-pickup-truck-crane-with-c able-winch-37555.html Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks We are considering replacing the van with a pickup, as we're mostly using it with the seats out to haul stuff, not people these days. My car wrenchs are now airplane wrenchs, so I want a new one with warranty, etc. I'm also cheap, so don't want to spring the extra $7000+ for a Diesel engine. We occasionally haul concrete blocks, sacks of cement, 4X8 sheets of plywood, etc. I once WAY over loaded the SIL's 1/2 ton RAM to the scary point, just by filling the bed to the top with 8X16 concrete blocks. We're thinking of a tow packaged 1/2 ton, or a 3/4 ton, basic work truck, small cab, 8' bed. It looks like Dodge is hungry and under pricing the others in the 1/2 ton market, but the payload specs are lower. Any opinions (or even facts?) that would over ride price in choosing between Ford, GM, and Chrysler trucks? 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton? New effecient V6, or old thirsty V8 engine? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The easiest trucks to sell are probably V8 crew cab. For hauling anything of significance, get the 3/4 ton. Trailers are great too. And if you don't need the trailer very often, you can rent from U-Haul etc when you need it so it doesn't clutter up the yard. I would say your choice should depend on how often you need the truck bed. A SUV with good towing package may be better... On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: I concur with the other responders on the 3/4 over 1/2. If you will be hauling a lot of stuff, then 3/4 is the right choice.IMO the Dodge advantage is with their diesel engines. I favor Ford over GM, I think their trucks generally are better engineered and built. My trucks have mostly been diesels so I can't really say about modern gasoline engines. By all means do get the towing package. As far as lifting things into the bed, how about a hydraulic crane designed for that purpose? Or a winch mounted in the front of the bed along with ramps? Lifting heavy objects by hand is an invitation to injury or damage. HF sells such a crane for less than $200 that has good reviews: http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-ton-capacity-pickup-truck-crane-with-c able-winch-37555.html Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks We are considering replacing the van with a pickup, as we're mostly using it with the seats out to haul stuff, not people these days. My car wrenchs are now airplane wrenchs, so I want a new one with warranty, etc. I'm also cheap, so don't want to spring the extra $7000+ for a Diesel engine. We occasionally haul concrete blocks, sacks of cement, 4X8 sheets of plywood, etc. I once WAY over loaded the SIL's 1/2 ton RAM to the scary point, just by filling the bed to the top with 8X16 concrete blocks. We're thinking of a tow packaged 1/2 ton, or a 3/4 ton, basic work truck, small cab, 8' bed. It looks like Dodge is hungry and under pricing the others in the 1/2 ton market, but the payload specs are lower. Any opinions (or even facts?) that would over ride price in choosing between Ford, GM, and Chrysler trucks? 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton? New effecient V6, or old thirsty V8 engine? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: I concur with the other responders on the 3/4 over 1/2. If you will be hauling a lot of stuff, then 3/4 is the right choice.IMO the Dodge advantage is with their diesel engines. I favor Ford over GM, I think their trucks generally are better engineered and built. My trucks have mostly been diesels so I can't really say about modern gasoline engines. By all means do get the towing package. The dodge comes standard with the towing package, it's an extra cost add-on with Ford. I'm looking at a small cab, long bed truck, and the Diesel engines are 30% more than the basic truck. Hard for me to justify, even with my emotional attachment to Diesel engines. As far as lifting things into the bed, how about a hydraulic crane designed for that purpose? Or a winch mounted in the front of the bed along with ramps? Lifting heavy objects by hand is an invitation to injury or damage. HF sells such a crane for less than $200 that has good reviews: http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-ton-capacity-pickup-truck-crane-with-c able-winch-37555.htmlhttp://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-ton-capacity-pickup-truck-crane-with-cable-winch-37555.html Greg Exactly what I was thinking. I have an engine hoist at home that has been used more for lifting non-engines than anything else. I also have a HF cable winch that I use the pull the airplane ito the hangar - another couple would be nice for a truck. My Dad always used to say Engage brain before back. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Good suggestion. Buy a good 5x8 trailer w/brakes and build sides for hauling loose items, dirt, gravel, ham antennas, etc. Purchase (or use) a hitch with your ML. Way better fuel econ and comfort than a truck. Not that I'm biased toward the ML :) My $0.02 on brands. Ford = Fix or Repair Daily, Found on Road, Dead. Chevy = beat the *beep* outta it daily on the farm, and it keeps going If you can't Dodge it, Ram it. Toyota = reliable, just not quite as strong Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (160,xxx mi) On 1/25/2013 2:16 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: The easiest trucks to sell are probably V8 crew cab. For hauling anything of significance, get the 3/4 ton. Trailers are great too. And if you don't need the trailer very often, you can rent from U-Haul etc when you need it so it doesn't clutter up the yard. I would say your choice should depend on how often you need the truck bed. A SUV with good towing package may be better... On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: I concur with the other responders on the 3/4 over 1/2. If you will be hauling a lot of stuff, then 3/4 is the right choice.IMO the Dodge advantage is with their diesel engines. I favor Ford over GM, I think their trucks generally are better engineered and built. My trucks have mostly been diesels so I can't really say about modern gasoline engines. By all means do get the towing package. As far as lifting things into the bed, how about a hydraulic crane designed for that purpose? Or a winch mounted in the front of the bed along with ramps? Lifting heavy objects by hand is an invitation to injury or damage. HF sells such a crane for less than $200 that has good reviews: http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-ton-capacity-pickup-truck-crane-with-c able-winch-37555.html Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks We are considering replacing the van with a pickup, as we're mostly using it with the seats out to haul stuff, not people these days. My car wrenchs are now airplane wrenchs, so I want a new one with warranty, etc. I'm also cheap, so don't want to spring the extra $7000+ for a Diesel engine. We occasionally haul concrete blocks, sacks of cement, 4X8 sheets of plywood, etc. I once WAY over loaded the SIL's 1/2 ton RAM to the scary point, just by filling the bed to the top with 8X16 concrete blocks. We're thinking of a tow packaged 1/2 ton, or a 3/4 ton, basic work truck, small cab, 8' bed. It looks like Dodge is hungry and under pricing the others in the 1/2 ton market, but the payload specs are lower. Any opinions (or even facts?) that would over ride price in choosing between Ford, GM, and Chrysler trucks? 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton? New effecient V6, or old thirsty V8 engine? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My '96 Dakota impressed me, 222,000 miles at which point it probably needed a transmission. If it hadn't been rusty I probably would have put one in. The engine in it was excellent, got a 19-20 mpg highway with the towing package which included lower gearing. I wish they hadn't gone to the current plastic Dakota. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:40:00 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Message-ID: canzcij_6fa+unjwmcaivcgh29tbwedgpa7mgha2j3yayzsl...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: OK Don wrote: New effecient V6, or old thirsty V8 engine? You going to put many miles on it? That 25mpg hwy Ram 1500 has me impressed. Mitch. Only in the long term - the Passat will be the daily driver. We plan to keep it a long time. I'm wondering if the Ram will last? The tranny is needing work in the van, and it lonly has 126,000 miles. The engine looses coolant, can't find where, etc. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At 11:36 AM 1/25/2013, OK Don wrote: (snip) I forgot to mention that I want 4 wheel drive. Although we haven't received much ice/snow the last two years, the red dirt road to our house does get slippery when wet. The ML is really nice with all-wheel drive all the time. Are any of the truck 4x4 systems at all sophisticated, or are they all manual? I bought a new Chevy 1/2 ton 4WD RCSB in 2008 and it has been fine - no problems, and I have beat it around pretty hard. Most rural folks here favor Chevy, Ford, and Dodge, in that order. (The Dodges have a poorer reputation for quality.) I think the short wheelbase trucks handle much better than the crewcab or long bed models on our WV twisty roads. And they are less prone to getting hung up off road. Mine is a budget model with a manual 4 X 4 shift. Just pull back on the lever on the hump. Obviously, going into low range requires stopping first. I have the old fashioned 4.3 iron V6 which seems to me to have plenty of power. I get 15 mpg around the farm, 20 on the highway. There is fierce price competition on the basic work truck models, especially if you are a cash buyer who shows up at the end of the month interested in one they already have on the lot. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Love is overestimation of the erotic object. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ugh, hard to park, hard on gas, expensive tires, more expensive to ensure... How often do you really haul 4 people and a half ton of gear? Unfortunately nobody makes a big sedan like a Crown Vic anymore. As somebody else said with a big pickup you're just driving around capacity you don't need most of the time. Wilton's trailer is a much more sensible option. That said there are times when being sensible isn't any fun. For me the best option is to have a friend who likes the Super Crew and wants to go snowmobiling. We'll take my sleds/trailer and his truck. ;) -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:47:08 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Message-ID: 5102e13c.2000...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think the crew cab trucks are the best invention since sliced bread. I bought my 2002 F150 Supercrew - 4 wheel drive - Lariat trim - 5.4 V8 etc. when it was about 5 years old and had about 90K miles on it. It is now 10 years old and has about 174K miles on it. I have done very little that is not basic maintenance. Tires, battery, brakes etc. It runs fine. Rides good, etc. Has room for 4 to 5 adults in reasonable comfort. Has the short box but that works fine for things like 4X8 sheets of plywood with the tailgate down. I have one of those hitch extender things that mounts into the hitch. I have hauled things that were 22 feet long with that. An awning off of a travel trailer and a mast off of a sailboat. The load capacity might be slightly less due to the size of the box and the fact that the load has to sit further back, but not a whole lot. My brother in law and I hauled loads of left over sod from his place to a friend's place at the same time. His extended cab GMC had a bit more room but not much. I would buy another tomorrow but will have to wait as the one I have will likely last me another 5 to 10 years. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd been pondering the same thing but my research into fuel economy doesn't bear it out. SUVs seem to get the same rotton fuel economy as pickups or just slightly better but not better enough to give up having the handiness of a pickup bed. In a year or two we'll need to replace the Ranger, its rusting to bits underneath although the body looks good. I'd been thinking about a Wrangler or Nissan Xterra, a real SUV with real offroad chops. Everything averages around 16-18mpg, which is the same as an F150 6cyl... -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:16:27 -0700 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Message-ID: cacncphkfrzg2yfypxby1ut93wzkvcrqt71ypnd0xe1w0tj9...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The easiest trucks to sell are probably V8 crew cab. For hauling anything of significance, get the 3/4 ton. Trailers are great too. And if you don't need the trailer very often, you can rent from U-Haul etc when you need it so it doesn't clutter up the yard. I would say your choice should depend on how often you need the truck bed. A SUV with good towing package may be better... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The ML averages 21mpg. I got 25 once with a 40-50mph tailwind over 200+ miles, but that was only once. A pickup is going to get about the same. I have a small trailer now (converted small boat trailer) that I built when my only car was the MGA. I'll probably install an external fuel tank in the truck to haul gas for the airplanes (mogas STC). If I fly as much as I hope to, the savings in fuel will pay for the truck in three years! (mogas @ $3/gal vs. AVgas @ $6/gal). Pumping fuel with an elecrtic pump and filter out of a tank is much easier than lifting and pouring from 5 gal cans (what I do now). I'm not impressed with the hand crank pumps and a 55gal barrel - fuel contamination waiting to happen. So, pickup truck it is. Which one is yet to be decided. We'll start test driving them next week and see what we like, and shich dealers are most willing to negotiate. Perhaps Curt needs my ML ??? On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd been pondering the same thing but my research into fuel economy doesn't bear it out. SUVs seem to get the same rotton fuel economy as pickups or just slightly better but not better enough to give up having the handiness of a pickup bed. In a year or two we'll need to replace the Ranger, its rusting to bits underneath although the body looks good. I'd been thinking about a Wrangler or Nissan Xterra, a real SUV with real offroad chops. Everything averages around 16-18mpg, which is the same as an F150 6cyl... -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well when you get ready to do that I might be interested Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2013, at 10:26 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: The van needs more work than I'm willing to put in it. If we get 4x4, I'll probably sell/trade the ML as well, getting us down to two vehicles. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: We are considering replacing the van with a pickup, as we're mostly using it with the seats out to haul stuff, not people these days. Why not a trailer? Cheaper to purchase, cheaper to own, no dragging empty cargo capacity all the rest of the time. You could probably spend under $1500 and get a trailer with at least 1 ton cargo capacity _and_ the bits needed to allow the car to tow it. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Most of them are regular 4wd simple to use, either push a button or turn a knob. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2013, at 10:36 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I want a new pickup with warranty, etc... [no] ... extra $7000+ for Diesel Are you planning to drive it to death, or eventually resell it? From what I've seen on the Dodge, you make back nearly the entire front-end cost difference on the back end. Easy enough to check used prices to see. Occasionally I look at the used 94+ DD market, and you _still_ don't really see them for under $10k. I'm hoping it will be one of the last vehicles we own - I buy new cars for the duration-- We're thinking of a tow packaged 1/2 ton, or a 3/4 ton, basic work truck, If towing/hauling is your metier, go 3/4 ton. Especially with a tow/haul package; my truck has the camper package. The neighbor who drove it carrying two eco-blocks in the back (I was driving the Unimog, carrying two more) was _very_ impressed with how well it handled the (over)load. He has a 1/2t Chevy. His is a better car, mine is a better truck. Mine feels pretty stable, even with the 3000# camper on it. Hauling - don't plan to tow much. Probably only salvaged airframes at the most - Any opinions (or even facts?) that would over ride price in choosing between Ford, GM, and Chrysler trucks? Bed height? Low-to-high are Chevy, Ford, Dodge. Last time I checked. The snowbirds seem to like 2wd Chevies, they're low to the ground and a lot easier to climb into. I put hoop steps on my (stock) truck. Yes, bed height would be a good consideration. I forgot to mention that I want 4 wheel drive. Although we haven't received much ice/snow the last two years, the red dirt road to our house does get slippery when wet. The ML is really nice with all-wheel drive all the time. Are any of the truck 4x4 systems at all sophisticated, or are they all manual? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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1/2 Ton is for people who like the look of a truck but are really just a grocery getter. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: I concur with the other responders on the 3/4 over 1/2. If you will be hauling a lot of stuff, then 3/4 is the right choice.IMO the Dodge advantage is with their diesel engines. I favor Ford over GM, I think their trucks generally are better engineered and built. My trucks have mostly been diesels so I can't really say about modern gasoline engines. By all means do get the towing package. As far as lifting things into the bed, how about a hydraulic crane designed for that purpose? Or a winch mounted in the front of the bed along with ramps? Lifting heavy objects by hand is an invitation to injury or damage. HF sells such a crane for less than $200 that has good reviews: http://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-ton-capacity-pickup-truck-crane-with-c able-winch-37555.html Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks We are considering replacing the van with a pickup, as we're mostly using it with the seats out to haul stuff, not people these days. My car wrenchs are now airplane wrenchs, so I want a new one with warranty, etc. I'm also cheap, so don't want to spring the extra $7000+ for a Diesel engine. We occasionally haul concrete blocks, sacks of cement, 4X8 sheets of plywood, etc. I once WAY over loaded the SIL's 1/2 ton RAM to the scary point, just by filling the bed to the top with 8X16 concrete blocks. We're thinking of a tow packaged 1/2 ton, or a 3/4 ton, basic work truck, small cab, 8' bed. It looks like Dodge is hungry and under pricing the others in the 1/2 ton market, but the payload specs are lower. Any opinions (or even facts?) that would over ride price in choosing between Ford, GM, and Chrysler trucks? 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton? New effecient V6, or old thirsty V8 engine? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2013, at 5:09 PM, David Kristin Gilmore dandkgilm...@frontier.com wrote: At 11:36 AM 1/25/2013, OK Don wrote: (snip) I forgot to mention that I want 4 wheel drive. Although we haven't received much ice/snow the last two years, the red dirt road to our house does get slippery when wet. The ML is really nice with all-wheel drive all the time. Are any of the truck 4x4 systems at all sophisticated, or are they all manual? I bought a new Chevy 1/2 ton 4WD RCSB in 2008 and it has been fine - no problems, and I have beat it around pretty hard. Most rural folks here favor Chevy, Ford, and Dodge, in that order. (The Dodges have a poorer reputation for quality.) I think the short wheelbase trucks handle much better than the crewcab or long bed models on our WV twisty roads. And they are less prone to getting hung up off road. Mine is a budget model with a manual 4 X 4 shift. Just pull back on the lever on the hump. Obviously, going into low range requires stopping first. I have the old fashioned 4.3 iron V6 which seems to me to have plenty of power. I get 15 mpg around the farm, 20 on the highway. There is fierce price competition on the basic work truck models, especially if you are a cash buyer who shows up at the end of the month interested in one they already have on the lot. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Love is overestimation of the erotic object. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:17:43 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Do the car loans have a prepayment penalty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Wanna run that math by me? If the dealer's making money, who's he getting it from if not me? Cash is King. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No not usually Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2013, at 7:51 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:17:43 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Do the car loans have a prepayment penalty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cash is not king at a car dealership. They make money by hanging the paper, that is getting the deal bought by a lender. Depending on the deal they will get about 1-3k from the lender Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Wanna run that math by me? If the dealer's making money, who's he getting it from if not me? Cash is King. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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ML I presume is premium gas only? I was wondering about the offroad capabilities of the ML and found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsOpAAEfD5o which looks entirely adequate for my needs. Full time 4wd bothers me. Our rule has always been if you drive in in 2wd you can probably back out in 4wd. Whats the towing capacity of an ML? It doesn't matter in the end, I'm sure I wouldn't want to pay what you'd need for it and we're like 1500 miles out... -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:13:12 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Message-ID: CANZcij90vEN=89owu+5_g2vtxyz6y8ladauun9fsgux33fz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The ML averages 21mpg. I got 25 once with a 40-50mph tailwind over 200+ miles, but that was only once. A pickup is going to get about the same. I have a small trailer now (converted small boat trailer) that I built when my only car was the MGA. I'll probably install an external fuel tank in the truck to haul gas for the airplanes (mogas STC). If I fly as much as I hope to, the savings in fuel will pay for the truck in three years! (mogas @ $3/gal vs. AVgas @ $6/gal). Pumping fuel with an elecrtic pump and filter out of a tank is much easier than lifting and pouring from 5 gal cans (what I do now). I'm not impressed with the hand crank pumps and a 55gal barrel - fuel contamination waiting to happen. So, pickup truck it is. Which one is yet to be decided. We'll start test driving them next week and see what we like, and shich dealers are most willing to negotiate. Perhaps Curt needs my ML ??? On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd been pondering the same thing but my research into fuel economy doesn't bear it out. SUVs seem to get the same rotton fuel economy as pickups or just slightly better but not better enough to give up having the handiness of a pickup bed. In a year or two we'll need to replace the Ranger, its rusting to bits underneath although the body looks good. I'd been thinking about a Wrangler or Nissan Xterra, a real SUV with real offroad chops. Everything averages around 16-18mpg, which is the same as an F150 6cyl... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The easiest trucks to sell are probably V8 crew cab. For hauling anything of significance, get the 3/4 ton. Trailers are great too. And if you don't need the trailer very often, you can rent from U-Haul etc when you need it so it doesn't clutter up the yard. I would say your choice should depend on how often you need the truck bed. A SUV with good towing package may be better... Ah! Like an ML! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, it's premium only, but does have computers running everything, so you might get away with lower octane fuel. However, the price difference isn't really that much - so I don't sweat it. I always figured that the low range gearing was for when you needed to back out! I think the towing capacity is rated at 5,000 lbs, but I'll have to go get the owners manual to be sure. See: http://4x4abc.com/ML320/tow.html I'm sure we can work something out - and you travel enough that you're likely to end up close enough one of these days :-) Remember, the first public appearance of the ML was in Jurrastic Park! On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: ML I presume is premium gas only? I was wondering about the offroad capabilities of the ML and found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsOpAAEfD5o which looks entirely adequate for my needs. Full time 4wd bothers me. Our rule has always been if you drive in in 2wd you can probably back out in 4wd. Whats the towing capacity of an ML? It doesn't matter in the end, I'm sure I wouldn't want to pay what you'd need for it and we're like 1500 miles out... -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy Bennell wrote: I think the crew cab trucks are the best invention since sliced bread. Curt Raymond wrote: Ugh, hard to park Heh. Maybe - if you live out there on the crowded east coast. Come out to the mid-west where there is elbow room! And if you insist on pulling forwards into parking spots it's a lot harder. Backing in is the better way to park long cars. hard on gas, expensive tires, more expensive to ensure... Than a two door pickup? Tires price seems to be based on size and weight rating, not the number of doors. I have no info on insurance. How often do you really haul 4 people and a half ton of gear? Curt, some of us have a family. :) Four seats is _way_ to few. And half ton is too light. As somebody else said with a big pickup you're just driving around capacity you don't need most of the time. That was me. But I did NOT limit it to big pickups. I meant it for big and little pickups. I puzzle over the folks that buy 4-door short bed pickup, put a big toolbox in the bed, and then drive around with the bed empty 99% of the time. I guess at that point it's just a heavy car with an roofless trunk [boot]. Wilton's trailer is a much more sensible option. For some people - yes. And that's my advise for Don. I was trying to read between the lines on Don's post. It doesn't sound like he needs hauling capability even 50% of the time he drives it. And he doesn't want an old car. So with those points in mind, a trailer looks pretty sensible to me. If he doesn't mind pulling trailers and isn't concerned about backing them. For me personally, I have an old, heavy, sturdy pickup. It hauls a load at least 80% of the time it's driven. It has a bit over 8 ft [2.4 m] of bed with the tailgate closed, it does fine with that bed heaped with green oak and hickory firewood, it can pull my 10,000# capacity trailer, it's simpler to work on than a 240D, and it is old enough the insurance, license, and tax is cheap. It's not so good on fuel, it's not diesel, and it doesn't have enough seats. And I have plenty of room to park as many vehicles as I want. So for _me_ a ugly farm truck is practical. But from my perspective, a trailer would make a lot of sense for Don. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cash is not king at a car dealership. They make money by hanging the paper, that is getting the deal bought by a lender. Depending on the deal they will get about 1-3k from the lender So you're saying that they're more inclined to make a deal where they make more money, at your expense, through a third party? OK, so that's why _they_ want to do it that way. Why would you? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Wanna run that math by me? If the dealer's making money, who's he getting it from if not me? Cash is King. -- Jim kickbacks/commissions for selling the loan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Nothing to stop you from paying it off in a month or so. Or you can negotiate a financing deal then switch to cash after you have the price set. But I'm not at all eager to let some dealer finance insurance manager play with my credit reports. Nothing to stop them from pulling your credit 14 times and making it impossible to borrow anything because you've had 14 inquiries in the last 6 months. Then there's the fact that I hate FI guys even more than I hate car salesmen. Five minutes with a FI manager and I'm ready to walk out on the whole deal just to get away from him. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: I'll probably install an external fuel tank in the truck to haul gas for the airplanes (mogas STC). You could put that tank on the trailer. But I think you will have to have HazMat placards, stop at railroad crossings, etc. if the tank is more than 119 gallons. Or 40 gallons. Or 140 gallons. It's falls under hazardous materials in bulk tanks. It can also depend on the state. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That might be a red flag in a downtown metro area. But out in farm country I have never seen a farm truck with a fuel tank stop or have placards. In some areas they don't even have to be tagged and separately insured. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I'll probably install an external fuel tank in the truck to haul gas for the airplanes (mogas STC). You could put that tank on the trailer. But I think you will have to have HazMat placards, stop at railroad crossings, etc. if the tank is more than 119 gallons. Or 40 gallons. Or 140 gallons. It's falls under hazardous materials in bulk tanks. It can also depend on the state. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Certainly NOT, 'less I HAD to! 'Lucky to not have HAD TO for a long time. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Cash is not king at a car dealership. They make money by hanging the paper, that is getting the deal bought by a lender. Depending on the deal they will get about 1-3k from the lender So you're saying that they're more inclined to make a deal where they make more money, at your expense, through a third party? OK, so that's why _they_ want to do it that way. Why would you? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I guess I'm just quick-tempered; they piss me off a lot quicker than five minutes. ;) I can't even get past the question, How much ya wanta spend? Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Nothing to stop you from paying it off in a month or so. Or you can negotiate a financing deal then switch to cash after you have the price set. But I'm not at all eager to let some dealer finance insurance manager play with my credit reports. Nothing to stop them from pulling your credit 14 times and making it impossible to borrow anything because you've had 14 inquiries in the last 6 months. Then there's the fact that I hate FI guys even more than I hate car salesmen. Five minutes with a FI manager and I'm ready to walk out on the whole deal just to get away from him. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You know a lot of people want what they can get for X dollars. I once put a trailer up on craiglist at a very reasonable price. No takers. I put it back on craigslist for a bunch more and people jumped on it right away. I want a $500 trailer mentality. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:37 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I guess I'm just quick-tempered; they piss me off a lot quicker than five minutes. ;) I can't even get past the question, How much ya wanta spend? Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Nothing to stop you from paying it off in a month or so. Or you can negotiate a financing deal then switch to cash after you have the price set. But I'm not at all eager to let some dealer finance insurance manager play with my credit reports. Nothing to stop them from pulling your credit 14 times and making it impossible to borrow anything because you've had 14 inquiries in the last 6 months. Then there's the fact that I hate FI guys even more than I hate car salesmen. Five minutes with a FI manager and I'm ready to walk out on the whole deal just to get away from him. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bank or loan originator. Kick back to finance, because they expect to make more in the interest. Best way to purchase is to let them do paperwork for financing, it loosens them up about dropping price. You have very little cash out of pocket that day, and you have 30 days to pay off in full before the loan kicks in. I tried to argue with the sales fellow about just taking my cash for a car in the 90's. He was adamant that I would get a better deal by financing. Had his manager explain that the bank pays them to sell financing. Dealer could care less if you pay it the next day, he sold the car, bank kicked back for getting another sucker on the line, and you got another $500 off the price. clay On Jan 25, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Wanna run that math by me? If the dealer's making money, who's he getting it from if not me? Cash is King. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And these guys are the reason I pay cash for old cars instead of financing for new tinfoil cars. SWMBA made me go with her to find her new car. I yelled at the salesman, his manager and the finance guy to the point they all told me to go sit down over there and have a drink or watch TV. I still hate her car clay On Jan 25, 2013, at 7:37 PM, WILTON wrote: I guess I'm just quick-tempered; they piss me off a lot quicker than five minutes. ;) I can't even get past the question, How much ya wanta spend? Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Nothing to stop you from paying it off in a month or so. Or you can negotiate a financing deal then switch to cash after you have the price set. But I'm not at all eager to let some dealer finance insurance manager play with my credit reports. Nothing to stop them from pulling your credit 14 times and making it impossible to borrow anything because you've had 14 inquiries in the last 6 months. Then there's the fact that I hate FI guys even more than I hate car salesmen. Five minutes with a FI manager and I'm ready to walk out on the whole deal just to get away from him. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 24, 2013, at 10:57 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Any opinions (or even facts?) that would over ride price in choosing between Ford, GM, and Chrysler trucks? 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton? My cousin just bought a new GMC. He picked it because the bed is somewhat lower, and therefore easier to load than the Ford or Dodge trucks. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
