Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Yeah that is the intended use. My Grandfather drove a standard 5 ton box truck in Germany. He usually pulled a two axle trailer with the steerable front axle. In some of the places he went, the only way to easily get the trailer in was to hook it to the hitch on the front of the truck. Backing up one of those trailers is a whole nuther level of hard. I don't have any problems with regular trailers but I still haven't gotten very good with the three axle front steering trailer that I made. Gonna take a lot more practice there. Manfred Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:34:37 -0600 From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris I think people use the front receiver mount because they find it easier to maneuver a trailer driving forward rather than trying to back up. I have never tried it myself and it does not sound like it would be that much better. I suppose it might give a tighter turning circle given the front wheels of the vehicle would turn quicker than the back end. Sort of the reverse of a boat which essentially steers from the back rather than the front as with a car. Randy -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trailer.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 194068 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090116/dcf02411/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
It seems than at Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:07:35 -0500, Allan wrote: Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com writes: OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over). I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair place. They probably have or know of local used ones for sale. I bought mine from a local fabricator. Stillwater Supply, MO I-44 exit 230. Since they build them there, I was able to customize it. Extra stake pockets, longer tongue, brakes on both axles, sealed big truck type lights, etc. I probably have close to $4,000 in the system, with trailer, weight distrib hitch (HIGHLY recommended), stake sides, and so on. Plan on keeping it a while. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Has it got springs? That'd be a wild ride if it didn't... Doesn't mention anything about brakes either. I'd bet they're mobile home axles... -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:46:33 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 496ea389.3020...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed thats a nasty looking trailer, looks very flimsy, probably homemade. Christopher McCann wrote: OH MY: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html I think that is a steal...am I missing anything? Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090115/3e38d0c6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
It means its able to roll up to 2000 lbs. If you are talking about those little portable ones, those work just fine pulling a car up on a car dolly or something. Forget about dragging a dead wrecked car with 4 flat tires up on a car trailer though, you need a big heavy duty wench like I have. Christopher McCann wrote: The winch description (I think it was Harbor Freight) mentioned that the winch rating was based on dead weight being pulled not lifted. I don't think a 2000lb winch can lift 2000lbs...but I'm not sure. Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
yea, that should do it. You need brakes. Christopher McCann wrote: '92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon - it's one ton (seats 15). It should do the job. I see that electric brakes on one axle seems to be a requirement in most states. Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you need a big heavy duty wench like I have. Do I have to subscribe to Banned to tell her you said that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Kaleb says, you need a big heavy duty wench like I have. Ummm...LOL...uh...no comment. :-) Chris --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:03 AM It means its able to roll up to 2000 lbs. If you are talking about those little portable ones, those work just fine pulling a car up on a car dolly or something. Forget about dragging a dead wrecked car with 4 flat tires up on a car trailer though, you need a big heavy duty wench like I have. Christopher McCann wrote: The winch description (I think it was Harbor Freight) mentioned that the winch rating was based on dead weight being pulled not lifted. I don't think a 2000lb winch can lift 2000lbs...but I'm not sure. Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yea, that should do it. You need brakes. And if you're buying a brake controller, Tekonsha Prodigy. (yeah the Jordan's pretty good too, but who wants to mess with the cable to the brake pedal?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? Chris --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 3:18 AM It seems than at Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:07:35 -0500, Allan wrote: Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com writes: OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over). I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair place. They probably have or know of local used ones for sale. I bought mine from a local fabricator. Stillwater Supply, MO I-44 exit 230. Since they build them there, I was able to customize it. Extra stake pockets, longer tongue, brakes on both axles, sealed big truck type lights, etc. I probably have close to $4,000 in the system, with trailer, weight distrib hitch (HIGHLY recommended), stake sides, and so on. Plan on keeping it a while. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Christopher McCann wrote: That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and run below the tongue with chains bending them up towards the tongue. Transfers weight from the back wheels of the tow vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels. http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
hahahahahahahahahah I meant winch. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you need a big heavy duty wench like I have. Do I have to subscribe to Banned to tell her you said that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1895 - Release Date: 1/15/2009 7:46 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
I dont need no stinking weight dist hitch on the duramax, it doesnt even know I got anything hooked up to it. I can see using one on a regular 3/4 ton (mine is HD) or a 1/2 ton, but I dont really need one. Mitch Haley wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and run below the tongue with chains bending them up towards the tongue. Transfers weight from the back wheels of the tow vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels. http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1895 - Release Date: 1/15/2009 7:46 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Can't you achieve the same thing by moving the car back (away from the hitch) on the trailer? Chris --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 11:19 AM Christopher McCann wrote: That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and run below the tongue with chains bending them up towards the tongue. Transfers weight from the back wheels of the tow vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels. http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Christopher McCann wrote: '92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon - it's one ton (seats 15). It should do the job. I see that electric brakes on one axle seems to be a requirement in most states. Kaleb wrote: yea, that should do it. You need brakes. And it would be a good idea to get a weight distributing hitch - if you haul any significant weight. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Christopher wrote: That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the mass needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better. 50% is best (it's then called a semi-trailer -like the big trucks use - rather than a full trailer). With a majority of the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass behind the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a common cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch. With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900 kg) trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross weight of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960 lb (435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very back of your van. It _will_ raise the front. The solution is weight distributing. It is a bulky hitch assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With the aid of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is some of the weight is distributed to the trailer and steer axles - but the mass stays so the stability is not affected. Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it - at least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck weight. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Thanks for explaining that. Now I can see why it's not enough to move the car back on the trailer till the trailer doesn't put much weight on the tongue...that shifts too much mass to the rear causing swerving and unsteadiness. Best is to move 50% of the mass forward, if not more, and use the weight distribution hitch to distribute the weight of the car back to the trailer. Do I have that right? Chris --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:38 PM Christopher wrote: That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the mass needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better. 50% is best (it's then called a semi-trailer -like the big trucks use - rather than a full trailer). With a majority of the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass behind the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a common cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch. With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900 kg) trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross weight of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960 lb (435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very back of your van. It _will_ raise the front. The solution is weight distributing. It is a bulky hitch assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With the aid of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is some of the weight is distributed to the trailer and steer axles - but the mass stays so the stability is not affected. Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it - at least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck weight. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
I'll vouch for the importance of enough tounge weight. Once late in the evening after a long day, I loaded up a car trailer with a honda motorcycle in front, and a Volvo 244 sedan just behind it. I didn't realize that the width of the motorcycle caused the cars weight to be centered behind the axle, and I had a slightly negative tounge weight! I got on the freeway on level ground, and the trailer began oscillating until it whipped the car and trailer around 180 degrees, such that I was facing backwards on the freeway. I drove slowly the wrong way down an empty onramp just in time before a truck came, and eventually was able to stop the vehicle and correct the weight distribution. The trailer jackknifing on the freeway destroyed the unibody of my beloved 1983 Volvo 760 Turbo Diesel, and I had to transfer the drivetrain into a replacement chassis. Luckily nobody was hurt. I now test the tounge weight of a trailer every time I tow... Tyler Christopher McCann wrote: Thanks for explaining that. Now I can see why it's not enough to move the car back on the trailer till the trailer doesn't put much weight on the tongue...that shifts too much mass to the rear causing swerving and unsteadiness. Best is to move 50% of the mass forward, if not more, and use the weight distribution hitch to distribute the weight of the car back to the trailer. Do I have that right? Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
It seems than at Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:02:47 -0800 (PST), Christopher wrote: Thanks for explaining that. Now I can see why it's not enough to move the car back on the trailer till the trailer doesn't put much weight on the tongue...that shifts too much mass to the rear causing swerving and unsteadiness. Best is to move 50% of the mass forward, if not more, and use the weight distribution hitch to distribute the weight of the car back to the trailer. Do I have that right? Yeah, but you won't likely get %50 of the mass in front with a big load. Big weight distributing hitches can distribute up to 1500 lbs (680 kg) away from the hitch. I did achieve close to that when I hauled a big riding mower. Put it entirely in front of the axle and cranked up the distrib. Rode _very_ nice! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
Can't help you much with the length other then to say that after looking into my future prognosticator and seeing that you will definitely never have to haul anything longer than the SD or SDL, ever a 21' wouldn't go amiss. But that's just my view. Told you it wouldn't help much. The winch I can help with. My son-in-law had a 9000lb winch that was mounted so that it could be slid into a 2 receiver hitch on the back or front of his pickup. Yeah he had one on the front as well as the back. I guess that way it wouldn't matter which way he wanted to haul a trailer or how he got stuck. There were also plug in points to plug the power cables in. I made him a receiver that was welded onto the trailer tongue so that all he had to do was slide the winch in there put in the pin, plug it in on the back of the truck and away you go. One winch that can be used anywhere there is a 2 receiver and a 12v power plug. Course I guess you could also make some long jumper cables to go from the winch all the way up to the battery and that way you can use the winch on any vehicle. Any which way you will need to use some heavy cable to run a good sized winch. Manfred Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over).What do y'all suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled. If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job? Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
I think people use the front receiver mount because they find it easier to maneuver a trailer driving forward rather than trying to back up. I have never tried it myself and it does not sound like it would be that much better. I suppose it might give a tighter turning circle given the front wheels of the vehicle would turn quicker than the back end. Sort of the reverse of a boat which essentially steers from the back rather than the front as with a car. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of MG Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris Can't help you much with the length other then to say that after looking into my future prognosticator and seeing that you will definitely never have to haul anything longer than the SD or SDL, ever a 21' wouldn't go amiss. But that's just my view. Told you it wouldn't help much. The winch I can help with. My son-in-law had a 9000lb winch that was mounted so that it could be slid into a 2 receiver hitch on the back or front of his pickup. Yeah he had one on the front as well as the back. I guess that way it wouldn't matter which way he wanted to haul a trailer or how he got stuck. There were also plug in points to plug the power cables in. I made him a receiver that was welded onto the trailer tongue so that all he had to do was slide the winch in there put in the pin, plug it in on the back of the truck and away you go. One winch that can be used anywhere there is a 2 receiver and a 12v power plug. Course I guess you could also make some long jumper cables to go from the winch all the way up to the battery and that way you can use the winch on any vehicle. Any which way you will need to use some heavy cable to run a good sized winch. Manfred Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over).What do y'all suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled. If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job? Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
If you have a long enough trailer I guess you could. Christopher McCann wrote: Can't you achieve the same thing by moving the car back (away from the hitch) on the trailer? Chris --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 11:19 AM Christopher McCann wrote: That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and run below the tongue with chains bending them up towards the tongue. Transfers weight from the back wheels of the tow vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels. http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1895 - Release Date: 1/15/2009 7:46 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris
I can tell you a trailer with too much weight on the back is VERY squirrelly and dangerous. In fact, if you use a regular 16-18 foot utility trailer to haul a car, and put the car on backwards, it will be dangerous because the front of the car weights more than the back. Fmiser wrote: Christopher wrote: That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the mass needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better. 50% is best (it's then called a semi-trailer -like the big trucks use - rather than a full trailer). With a majority of the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass behind the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a common cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch. With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900 kg) trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross weight of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960 lb (435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very back of your van. It _will_ raise the front. The solution is weight distributing. It is a bulky hitch assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With the aid of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is some of the weight is distributed to the trailer and steer axles - but the mass stays so the stability is not affected. Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it - at least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck weight. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1895 - Release Date: 1/15/2009 7:46 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think people use the front receiver mount because they find it easier to maneuver a trailer driving forward rather than trying to back up. That's one use. Others are receiver-mount winch, bicycle rack, or cargo carrier. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We did that to launch a sailboat with Dad's truck - kept the drive wheels off of the slippery part of the ramp. The rear mounted hitch and front wheel drive of the minivan accomplish the same thing now. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:34 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: I think people use the front receiver mount because they find it easier to maneuver a trailer driving forward rather than trying to back up. -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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thats a nasty looking trailer, looks very flimsy, probably homemade. Christopher McCann wrote: OH MY: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html I think that is a steal...am I missing anything? Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You gotta be careful about trailers and their load ratings and tires and frame materials and all that. A lot of goobers get those house trailer axles and make a trailer, they aren't good for much but Home Depot runs. I saw a coupla Mexicans on Sat with one like that, an Explorer on it, and the trailer was close to collapsing. To haul a car you need something pretty stout. --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: thats a nasty looking trailer, looks very flimsy, probably homemade. Christopher McCann wrote: OH MY: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html I think that is a steal...am I missing anything? Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Christopher McCann wrote: OH MY: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html 2-3 years ago you could buy them new on eBay etc for about $895, with lights, new axles, brakes on one axle, and used wheels. $1100-1200 with brakes on both axles and four new tires/wheels. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over). What do y'all suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled. If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job? Chris --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:46 PM thats a nasty looking trailer, looks very flimsy, probably homemade. Christopher McCann wrote: OH MY: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html I think that is a steal...am I missing anything? Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com writes: OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over). I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair place. They probably have or know of local used ones for sale. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A SWB W116 is just over 17' and weighs almost 4000lb. I figure a 16' would do it, if the balance worked out, because you wouldn't have much leeway in where you place the car's wheels on the trailer. You're not lifting the car off the ground, you're dragging it up an incline, so I suspect the winch rating isn't too important. I know from experience that a 150lb guy and a 200lb guy can load a 2000lb car on a dolly if they try hard enough, I think we were shoving 400-500lb worth at the worst point. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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there is no substitute for spending the money on a quality trailer. A trailer is not something you want to skimp on. No way no how. You could kill yourself or others. Plan to spend a good 1.5-2k on a good car trailer. Rich Thomas wrote: You gotta be careful about trailers and their load ratings and tires and frame materials and all that. A lot of goobers get those house trailer axles and make a trailer, they aren't good for much but Home Depot runs. I saw a coupla Mexicans on Sat with one like that, an Explorer on it, and the trailer was close to collapsing. To haul a car you need something pretty stout. --R -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well you will need at least an 18 foot trailer with dual 3500lb axles, minimum. You will then need something that will pull said trailer. You may be able to get by with a 1/2 ton truck, but a 3/4 would be preferable. Christopher McCann wrote: OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over). What do y'all suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled. If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job? Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ebay price is nearly double that now, it seems, from a quick glance. Chris --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 9:36 PM Christopher McCann wrote: OH MY: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html 2-3 years ago you could buy them new on eBay etc for about $895, with lights, new axles, brakes on one axle, and used wheels. $1100-1200 with brakes on both axles and four new tires/wheels. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The winch description (I think it was Harbor Freight) mentioned that the winch rating was based on dead weight being pulled not lifted. I don't think a 2000lb winch can lift 2000lbs...but I'm not sure. Chris --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:16 PM A SWB W116 is just over 17' and weighs almost 4000lb. I figure a 16' would do it, if the balance worked out, because you wouldn't have much leeway in where you place the car's wheels on the trailer. You're not lifting the car off the ground, you're dragging it up an incline, so I suspect the winch rating isn't too important. I know from experience that a 150lb guy and a 200lb guy can load a 2000lb car on a dolly if they try hard enough, I think we were shoving 400-500lb worth at the worst point. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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good idea, Allan. Chris --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:07 PM Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com writes: OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over). I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair place. They probably have or know of local used ones for sale. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon - it's one ton (seats 15). It should do the job. I see that electric brakes on one axle seems to be a requirement in most states. Chris --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 10:28 PM Well you will need at least an 18 foot trailer with dual 3500lb axles, minimum. You will then need something that will pull said trailer. You may be able to get by with a 1/2 ton truck, but a 3/4 would be preferable. Christopher McCann wrote: OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over). What do y'all suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled. If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job? Chris -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What do y'all suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled. My 18' trailer's as short as I'd recommend. It has lots of other uses than hauling cars, and you can haul a car and an extra engine or tranny on it, things like that. It's hauled hay, wood, furniture, junk, etc. Oh, and a few cars. If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job? I welded a HF 1-tonner to the front rail. You're not hanging the car from a tree to gut it, you're dragging it up the ramps. The length of which will determine how easy the pull is. That HF worm gear jobbie I used is what I'd consider the minimum. I keep a wrench on the trailer so I can remove the worm gear, which allows for quick spooling and unspooling. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
