Re: [MBZ] dashcam ASMRgKVxTy

[clay via Mercedes]

You can get banned.  Gabe did it.  You  have to piss of Regina to get that far 
gone


clay

On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

> The only way off the list is by death.  Marshall Booth, the Porches guy.
> 
> Jaime has tried to quit several times, but this place is like the Hotel 
> California.
> 
> I expect Jabba will show up again, unless he's dead.
> -- 
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> '95 E300
> 
> On April 20, 2016 1:35:46 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Last post to the list, folks, it's been real.  Best of luck to you all 
>> in your Benz motorings.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: dashcam
>> Date:Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:15:32 -0400
>> From:Rich Thomas 
>> To:  Mercedes Discussion List 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This got "the best" in a recent survey of dashcams, low price today,
>> $53, I just ordered one
>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Box-G1W-C-Capacitor-Dashboard/dp/B00MIO2KRC
>> 
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] dashcam ASMRgKVxTy

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I expect he will return one day.  He was magic

clay

On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Marshall’s email is still subscribed.  I leave it active just in case he 
> returns…
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The only way off the list is by death.  Marshall Booth, the Porches guy.
>> 
>> Jaime has tried to quit several times, but this place is like the Hotel 
>> California.
>> 
>> I expect Jabba will show up again, unless he's dead.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On April 20, 2016 1:35:46 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>> Last post to the list, folks, it's been real.  Best of luck to you all 
>>> in your Benz motorings.
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Forwarded Message 
>>> Subject:dashcam
>>> Date:   Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:15:32 -0400
>>> From:   Rich Thomas 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This got "the best" in a recent survey of dashcams, low price today,
>>> $53, I just ordered one
>>> 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Box-G1W-C-Capacitor-Dashboard/dp/B00MIO2KRC
>>> 
>>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] It makes me hot

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InShalla, the device will bring the infidels to their knees and provide the 
virgins with warmth in preparation for the jihad to take place at the arena.  
Mighty warriors do battle for the hearts and minds of the believers.  

Much study will be done to master the device so that I may fuel it at the time 
it is needed.  This will allow me to keep from entering the tents of others.  


On Apr 20, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

>> clay wrote:
>>> I won this thing and wonder what all I need to know about it for safe 
>>> operation.   I do not expect to need it for a few months, so have time to 
>>> tune it up
>> 
>> Use it at night even now, when in your tent.
>> We have had one of these for 30 years, bought when Craig and I lived
>> in the same territory - moose pasture colorado.
>> mao
> 
> Careful about yer language.  Someone from the gummit is watching.  If you use 
> the word t#e# #n#t without the # and spaces, you will likely be attacked by a 
> gummit employee with a water hose or maybe a flamethrower, the only the 
> environ-mentally friendly, politically correct kind.  (hope andrew is not 
> reading this now!)
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Re: [MBZ] The artist formerly known as

[clay via Mercedes]

He was feeling poorly a few days ago and had to go home instead of continue the 
tour.  Claimed it was dehydration.


clay

On Apr 22, 2016, at 6:50 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

> 
> Local paper said he was on long term medication for hip and leg problems.
> Narcotic overdose? Maybe true cause of death will be revealed.
> Gerry
> 
> 
> Karl Wittnebel wrote:
>> Hey at least Prince was his given name, rather than some sword from a jrr
>> Tolkien allegory novel about ww1.
>> On Apr 21, 2016 6:53 PM, "Mountain Man via Mercedes" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Curly wrote:
 oh well, prince, sting, bone (o)-head or whatever.
>>> 
>>> You are on The Edge...
>>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Stripping Paint on Bumper

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I would be afeared that the solvent would want to eat the bumper as well.   
Maybe a rough sanding would open the coating so the solvent would be able to 
get at the paint quicker and not eat the bumper, giving enough time to stop the 
reaction

clay


On Apr 23, 2016, at 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> I want to refinish the bumper on the W126. It's obvious that it's been 
> repainted at some point in the past, and what's on it is pretty thick.
> 
> Because the finish is cracked in some places I want to remove it, not just 
> sand and Bondo. I'm wondering if it's safe to use a chemical stripper on this 
> plastic, and if so, if anyone has recommendations as to products.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Kid wrecked the car

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I say let the kid walk until the car is paid off.  Or, kid can do the rebuild 
with minor assistance.  

clay

On Apr 23, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Photos attached
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> Kid read ended somebody today. See photos. It took out the hood and pushed 
>> radiator etc into the fan. I could probably pull it back out and replace the 
>> hood. Wondering if it's worth it. Car needs a complete front end rebuild 
>> probably, rear end probably needs work too. Shocks are shot. Windshield is 
>> cracked. It blew the passenger side airbag but not drivers side. I wonder if 
>> I should put it back together or just retire it and let him buy some other 
>> car off me and let he pay it out. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kid wrecked the car

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Maybe he makes a claim against her insurance.  She was obviously inebriated or 
on her cell phone

clay

On Apr 23, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> I just worked him a deal to sell him a 99 e430. He is not very mechanically 
> inclined. This was his first wreck since he started driving and the lady he 
> hit slammed on her brakes in the middle of the highway. I really don't feel 
> like fixing this car to be honest and could use the parts on other cars.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Make him fix it under your management
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>>> On 4/23/16 4:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> That’ll buff out. Really.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 23, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Kid read ended somebody today. See photos. It took out the hood and pushed 
 radiator etc into the fan. I could probably pull it back out and replace 
 the hood. Wondering if it's worth it. Car needs a complete front end 
 rebuild probably, rear end probably needs work too. Shocks are shot. 
 Windshield is cracked. It blew the passenger side airbag but not drivers 
 side. I wonder if I should put it back together or just retire it and let 
 him buy some other car off me and let he pay it out.
 
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Re: [MBZ] How Did it All Begin?

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I was seven years old and playing in my Granny's kitchen with a matchbox 250SL, 
white with red interior.  That has been my lust after car ever since.  The 
lines of the Paul Bracq designed cars just get me going.  Sacco and Geiger a 
bit less so.  These guys designed the silver stars I have owned.

clay



On Apr 24, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

>> How did we all get our start diggin' MBs? Let's start a thread for that.
>> One paragraph explaining how the penchant began.
> 
> Wanted a used car that didn't rattle and squeak, and I'd always
> loved the look of the 107 cars, and I finally had room for another
> car, so a 2-seater became possible.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Win 7 and svchost

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He has the world believing that crap.  He and melinda are holding onto buckets 
of the cash and have stored a bit of it in their mendacious foundation.  Bill 
is living the high life, and will keep doing so until the day he dies.  At 
least he was bright enough to not use some banana republic law firm attempt to 
hide his cash.  He used his family connections to make it look like the stuff 
was being used for good, but that is just how he has been able to off shore 
vast billions of loot.  At least Paul Allen is flashing his cash and building a 
real estate empire.  If he would use it to invest in a decent band of football 
players

clay




On Apr 25, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Bill Gates isn't that rich, he gives all his money away.
> Win7 works pretty well. If you use it a lot and update it regular. Updates 
> are difficult on a machine thats running which is why the reboots are to be 
> expected...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: G Mann 
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 1:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Win 7 and svchost
> 
> I'm currently loading Windows 3.1 ... have been since 1987... as soon as it
> finishes.. I plan to update to Windows 7...
> 
> {Sarcasm off }
> 
> "How can anything that works so poorly be the most popular software in the
> world and make Bill Gates the worlds richest man?"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> 
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 23:35:11 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Attaboy.  I don't know why this works but it does (worked twice for me
>>> too). I was almost ready to junk the computer when I found the thread
>>> and tried it.  I guess we both owe Canadian Tech.
>> 
>> Yes, we do. And I owe you, too, for telling me of it.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Win 7 and svchost

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Bill Jr. and Sr. make all manner of noises about paying taxes, but that is only 
for the little guys who do not have a swarm of accountants and law firms to 
protect personal funds or business cash

clay



On Apr 25, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> Here is something I wonder about.  Bill is a pretty liberal guy and supporter 
> of big gummint but also propounds all these rich dudes giving their money 
> away in foundations and such.  Shouldn't a big gummint liberal be more 
> inclined to just give all their money to the gummint as it knows best what to 
> do with it?  Is BG saying HE knows best what to do with his money?  How can 
> that be?
> 
> But I do admire (most of) his efforts to do good with his own money.
> 
> --BB
> 
> On 4/25/16 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> Bill Gates isn't that rich, he gives all his money away.
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[MBZ] I moosed ax you about that

[clay via Mercedes]

http://www.funnyism.com/i/epicfail/76296

Happy moose day


clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] This seems cheap

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Not enough data to parse value.  Too far for me to venture out to bring it back 
home

clay

On Apr 28, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> 
> 
> 1980 Mercedes 450 SLC
> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5561014358.html
> 
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> iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
> Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android
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[MBZ] Sold the SL

[clay via Mercedes]

Mercedes-Benz: SL-Class 450SL

This was an interesting sale.  The winning bidder made a cheater deal with the 
owner of the 1974 SL I was selling on CL.  He had contacted me in March to take 
a look at the above car, but flaked.  Last week he shows up at my Indy claiming 
to not know me and that he had been keeping an eye on the cars in the parking 
lot and wanted to see the above car.  Probably full of shite, as he lives and 
works 30 miles away and has little reason to drive past my indy.  Screwed me 
out of a commission.  The shop called me to make sure I did not know the guy, 
and I did not recall the name, but checked email and found the old mail.  Sale 
price was too close to bottom line to get any cash in my pocket.  I was told he 
would be coming by to pay for the car May 2nd.  I did a late night re-list of 
the car at $1k less than the latest asking price to see if I could snipe the 
sale and get some pocket change.  Dude showed up the NEXT day and paid for the 
1974.

So, the 1977 was put on Fleabay last Sunday because it was getting no interest. 
 Original posting on CL was as a project/parts car at $1700 because it had not 
run in five years and parked out in the elements all that time.  The guy who 
bought the 74 contacted me in early March, when the '77 was listed as parts.  
Indy asked what the '77 would fetch if it ran.  I said twice what a parts car 
would.  I was in the middle of cleaning the moss off and giving it a waxing.  
When I left the car ran and drove well enough, so I posted it for $4k on CL in 
late March.  

The winning bidder just signed up on Fleabay this week and now has the chance 
to buy the 1977 SL for more than I was asking.  What an IDIOT!  He has to make 
a $800 deposit or I am going to offer it to the back up bidder who took it past 
$4k on his bids.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] 124 bites dust

[clay via Mercedes]

I would say no Benz between 1995 and 2007 is worth adding to the stable.I 
am so unimpressed with the quality, and what I see in the PnP backs it up.  
Even the auction yards are passing on these cars.  



clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Apr 30, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

> 
>> On April 30, 2016 at 3:32 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Glad you're ok! Time to move up to a W211?
>> 
> 
> What did Woger say about W211 when he was alive, no older than 2006?
> 
> Finding a W124 that meets Wilton's definition of 'showroom' might not be 
> easy. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/291747507440?forcerRptr=true&item=291747507440&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:L:EOISSA:MOTORS:1123


On May 1, 2016, at 7:29 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

> Mercedes-Benz: SL-Class 450SL
> 
> This was an interesting sale.  The winning bidder made a cheater deal with 
> the owner of the 1974 SL I was selling on CL.  He had contacted me in March 
> to take a look at the above car, but flaked.  Last week he shows up at my 
> Indy claiming to not know me and that he had been keeping an eye on the cars 
> in the parking lot and wanted to see the above car.  Probably full of shite, 
> as he lives and works 30 miles away and has little reason to drive past my 
> indy.  Screwed me out of a commission.  The shop called me to make sure I did 
> not know the guy, and I did not recall the name, but checked email and found 
> the old mail.  Sale price was too close to bottom line to get any cash in my 
> pocket.  I was told he would be coming by to pay for the car May 2nd.  I did 
> a late night re-list of the car at $1k less than the latest asking price to 
> see if I could snipe the sale and get some pocket change.  Dude showed up the 
> NEXT day and paid for the 1974.
> 
> So, the 1977 was put on Fleabay last Sunday because it was getting no 
> interest.  Original posting on CL was as a project/parts car at $1700 because 
> it had not run in five years and parked out in the elements all that time.  
> The guy who bought the 74 contacted me in early March, when the '77 was 
> listed as parts.  Indy asked what the '77 would fetch if it ran.  I said 
> twice what a parts car would.  I was in the middle of cleaning the moss off 
> and giving it a waxing.  When I left the car ran and drove well enough, so I 
> posted it for $4k on CL in late March.  
> 
> The winning bidder just signed up on Fleabay this week and now has the chance 
> to buy the 1977 SL for more than I was asking.  What an IDIOT!  He has to 
> make a $800 deposit or I am going to offer it to the back up bidder who took 
> it past $4k on his bids.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL

[clay via Mercedes]

It did come pretty clean.  The winner just stopped by the shop and told them he 
is backing out on paying for the car.  I have to wait a few days to make 
fleabay do anything.  Meanwhile, second chance offer went out.

clay


On May 2, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Cleaned up nice.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291747507440?forcerRptr=true&item=291747507440&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:L:EOISSA:MOTORS:1123
> 
> 
> On May 1, 2016, at 7:29 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Mercedes-Benz: SL-Class 450SL
>> 
>> This was an interesting sale.  The winning bidder made a cheater deal with 
>> the owner of the 1974 SL I was selling on CL.  He had contacted me in March 
>> to take a look at the above car, but flaked.  Last week he shows up at my 
>> Indy claiming to not know me and that he had been keeping an eye on the cars 
>> in the parking lot and wanted to see the above car.  Probably full of shite, 
>> as he lives and works 30 miles away and has little reason to drive past my 
>> indy.  Screwed me out of a commission.  The shop called me to make sure I 
>> did not know the guy, and I did not recall the name, but checked email and 
>> found the old mail.  Sale price was too close to bottom line to get any cash 
>> in my pocket.  I was told he would be coming by to pay for the car May 2nd.  
>> I did a late night re-list of the car at $1k less than the latest asking 
>> price to see if I could snipe the sale and get some pocket change.  Dude 
>> showed up the NEXT day and paid for the 1974.
>> 
>> So, the 1977 was put on Fleabay last Sunday because it was getting no 
>> interest.  Original posting on CL was as a project/parts car at $1700 
>> because it had not run in five years and parked out in the elements all that 
>> time.  The guy who bought the 74 contacted me in early March, when the '77 
>> was listed as parts.  Indy asked what the '77 would fetch if it ran.  I said 
>> twice what a parts car would.  I was in the middle of cleaning the moss off 
>> and giving it a waxing.  When I left the car ran and drove well enough, so I 
>> posted it for $4k on CL in late March.  
>> 
>> The winning bidder just signed up on Fleabay this week and now has the 
>> chance to buy the 1977 SL for more than I was asking.  What an IDIOT!  He 
>> has to make a $800 deposit or I am going to offer it to the back up bidder 
>> who took it past $4k on his bids.
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL

[clay via Mercedes]

Because he is a prick.

He already spent $7k on the really nice 74 450SL and looked at the 77 last 
week.  I do not know what possessed him to do a snipe bid at the last moments.  
It was all good until he screwed up the bids, and the second chance guy is not 
going to pay his full bid, but the lowest he made.



On May 2, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Why is the guy backing out?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 2, 2016, at 1:28 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> It did come pretty clean.  The winner just stopped by the shop and told them 
>> he is backing out on paying for the car.  I have to wait a few days to make 
>> fleabay do anything.  Meanwhile, second chance offer went out.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 2, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cleaned up nice.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>From: clay via Mercedes 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>>> Cc: clay 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL
>>> 
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291747507440?forcerRptr=true&item=291747507440&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:L:EOISSA:MOTORS:1123
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 1, 2016, at 7:29 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mercedes-Benz: SL-Class 450SL
>>>> 
>>>> This was an interesting sale.  The winning bidder made a cheater deal with 
>>>> the owner of the 1974 SL I was selling on CL.  He had contacted me in 
>>>> March to take a look at the above car, but flaked.  Last week he shows up 
>>>> at my Indy claiming to not know me and that he had been keeping an eye on 
>>>> the cars in the parking lot and wanted to see the above car.  Probably 
>>>> full of shite, as he lives and works 30 miles away and has little reason 
>>>> to drive past my indy.  Screwed me out of a commission.  The shop called 
>>>> me to make sure I did not know the guy, and I did not recall the name, but 
>>>> checked email and found the old mail.  Sale price was too close to bottom 
>>>> line to get any cash in my pocket.  I was told he would be coming by to 
>>>> pay for the car May 2nd.  I did a late night re-list of the car at $1k 
>>>> less than the latest asking price to see if I could snipe the sale and get 
>>>> some pocket change.  Dude showed up the NEXT day and paid for the 1974.
>>>> 
>>>> So, the 1977 was put on Fleabay last Sunday because it was getting no 
>>>> interest.  Original posting on CL was as a project/parts car at $1700 
>>>> because it had not run in five years and parked out in the elements all 
>>>> that time.  The guy who bought the 74 contacted me in early March, when 
>>>> the '77 was listed as parts.  Indy asked what the '77 would fetch if it 
>>>> ran.  I said twice what a parts car would.  I was in the middle of 
>>>> cleaning the moss off and giving it a waxing.  When I left the car ran and 
>>>> drove well enough, so I posted it for $4k on CL in late March.  
>>>> 
>>>> The winning bidder just signed up on Fleabay this week and now has the 
>>>> chance to buy the 1977 SL for more than I was asking.  What an IDIOT!  He 
>>>> has to make a $800 deposit or I am going to offer it to the back up bidder 
>>>> who took it past $4k on his bids.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> clay 
>>>> 
>>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL

[clay via Mercedes]

YEP, he was the last bidder and knew the car's condition

clay

On May 2, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> But why would anyone go to the trouble of bidding only to  back out?  Just
> to be a d*ck?
> 
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's how it is on many things sold there after eBay changed the feedback
>> policy to favor buyers and sellers get screwed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 2, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is typical for a large number of auto sales on eBay, so I've
>> learned. While there's really no way to document it, based on what people
>> say it sounds like less than half of all auction actually end up completed
>> to the high bidder.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, clay via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It did come pretty clean.  The winner just stopped by the shop and told
>> them he is backing out on paying for the car.  I have to wait a few days to
>> make fleabay do anything.  Meanwhile, second chance offer went out.
>>>> 
>>>> clay
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cleaned up nice.
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>>   From: clay via Mercedes 
>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>>> Cc: clay 
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291747507440?forcerRptr=true&item=291747507440&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:L:EOISSA:MOTORS:1123
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 1, 2016, at 7:29 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mercedes-Benz: SL-Class 450SL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This was an interesting sale.  The winning bidder made a cheater deal
>> with the owner of the 1974 SL I was selling on CL.  He had contacted me in
>> March to take a look at the above car, but flaked.  Last week he shows up
>> at my Indy claiming to not know me and that he had been keeping an eye on
>> the cars in the parking lot and wanted to see the above car.  Probably full
>> of shite, as he lives and works 30 miles away and has little reason to
>> drive past my indy.  Screwed me out of a commission.  The shop called me to
>> make sure I did not know the guy, and I did not recall the name, but
>> checked email and found the old mail.  Sale price was too close to bottom
>> line to get any cash in my pocket.  I was told he would be coming by to pay
>> for the car May 2nd.  I did a late night re-list of the car at $1k less
>> than the latest asking price to see if I could snipe the sale and get some
>> pocket change.  Dude showed up the NEXT day and paid for the 1974.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, the 1977 was put on Fleabay last Sunday because it was getting no
>> interest.  Original posting on CL was as a project/parts car at $1700
>> because it had not run in five years and parked out in the elements all
>> that time.  The guy who bought the 74 contacted me in early March, when the
>> '77 was listed as parts.  Indy asked what the '77 would fetch if it ran.  I
>> said twice what a parts car would.  I was in the middle of cleaning the
>> moss off and giving it a waxing.  When I left the car ran and drove well
>> enough, so I posted it for $4k on CL in late March.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The winning bidder just signed up on Fleabay this week and now has
>> the chance to buy the 1977 SL for more than I was asking.  What an IDIOT!
>> He has to make a $800 deposit or I am going to offer it to the back up
>> bidder who took it past $4k on his bids.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> clay
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>>>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>>>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>>>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>>>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>>>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>> 
>>>

Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL

[clay via Mercedes]

The guy already saw the car, knew the car, and purchased another SL just last 
week from the same seller.  That he made only one bid, the last one at the end 
of the auction is a mystery

clay



On May 2, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Got over excited during the bidding process, then had buyers remorse or 
> realized "where am I going to get the money?"
> Somehow even though eBay says bidding is a "legally binding contract" many 
> people just see it as a game...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL
> 
> But why would anyone go to the trouble of bidding only to  back out?  Just
> to be a d*ck?
> 
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's how it is on many things sold there after eBay changed the feedback
>> policy to favor buyers and sellers get screwed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 2, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is typical for a large number of auto sales on eBay, so I've
>> learned. While there's really no way to document it, based on what people
>> say it sounds like less than half of all auction actually end up completed
>> to the high bidder.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, clay via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It did come pretty clean.  The winner just stopped by the shop and told
>> them he is backing out on paying for the car.  I have to wait a few days to
>> make fleabay do anything.  Meanwhile, second chance offer went out.
>>>> 
>>>> clay
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cleaned up nice.
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: clay via Mercedes 
>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>>> Cc: clay 
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291747507440?forcerRptr=true&item=291747507440&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:L:EOISSA:MOTORS:1123
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 1, 2016, at 7:29 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mercedes-Benz: SL-Class 450SL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This was an interesting sale.  The winning bidder made a cheater deal
>> with the owner of the 1974 SL I was selling on CL.  He had contacted me in
>> March to take a look at the above car, but flaked.  Last week he shows up
>> at my Indy claiming to not know me and that he had been keeping an eye on
>> the cars in the parking lot and wanted to see the above car.  Probably full
>> of shite, as he lives and works 30 miles away and has little reason to
>> drive past my indy.  Screwed me out of a commission.  The shop called me to
>> make sure I did not know the guy, and I did not recall the name, but
>> checked email and found the old mail.  Sale price was too close to bottom
>> line to get any cash in my pocket.  I was told he would be coming by to pay
>> for the car May 2nd.  I did a late night re-list of the car at $1k less
>> than the latest asking price to see if I could snipe the sale and get some
>> pocket change.  Dude showed up the NEXT day and paid for the 1974.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, the 1977 was put on Fleabay last Sunday because it was getting no
>> interest.  Original posting on CL was as a project/parts car at $1700
>> because it had not run in five years and parked out in the elements all
>> that time.  The guy who bought the 74 contacted me in early March, when the
>> '77 was listed as parts.  Indy asked what the '77 would fetch if it ran.  I
>> said twice what a parts car would.  I was in the middle of cleaning the
>> moss off and giving it a waxing.  When I left the car ran and drove well
>> enough, so I posted it for $4k on CL in late March.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The winning bidder just signed up on Fleabay this week and now has
>> the chance to buy the 1977 SL for more than I was asking.  What an IDIOT!
>> He has to make a $800 deposit or I am going to offer it to the back up
>> bidder who took

Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL

[clay via Mercedes]

I would not know why, but he seems to have a personal issue, or just thinks he 
can do underhanded deals

clay

On May 2, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

> He's jerking you around?  You personally?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On May 2, 2016 7:51:26 PM EDT, clay via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>> The guy already saw the car, knew the car, and purchased another SL
>> just last week from the same seller.  That he made only one bid, the
>> last one at the end of the auction is a mystery
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 2, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> Got over excited during the bidding process, then had buyers remorse
>> or realized "where am I going to get the money?"
>>> Somehow even though eBay says bidding is a "legally binding contract"
>> many people just see it as a game...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 3:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL
>>> 
>>> But why would anyone go to the trouble of bidding only to  back out? 
>> Just
>>> to be a d*ck?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's how it is on many things sold there after eBay changed the
>> feedback
>>>> policy to favor buyers and sellers get screwed.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is typical for a large number of auto sales on eBay, so I've
>>>> learned. While there's really no way to document it, based on what
>> people
>>>> say it sounds like less than half of all auction actually end up
>> completed
>>>> to the high bidder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dan
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, clay via Mercedes
>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It did come pretty clean.  The winner just stopped by the shop and
>> told
>>>> them he is backing out on paying for the car.  I have to wait a few
>> days to
>>>> make fleabay do anything.  Meanwhile, second chance offer went out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> clay
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cleaned up nice.
>>>>>>> -Curt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>From: clay via Mercedes 
>>>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>>>>> Cc: clay 
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:12 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sold the SL
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291747507440?forcerRptr=true&item=291747507440&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:L:EOISSA:MOTORS:1123
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2016, at 7:29 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mercedes-Benz: SL-Class 450SL
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This was an interesting sale.  The winning bidder made a cheater
>> deal
>>>> with the owner of the 1974 SL I was selling on CL.  He had contacted
>> me in
>>>> March to take a look at the above car, but flaked.  Last week he
>> shows up
>>>> at my Indy claiming to not know me and that he had been keeping an
>> eye on
>>>> the cars in the parking lot and wanted to see the above car. 
>> Probably full
>>>> of shite, as he lives and works 30 miles away and has little reason
>> to
>>>> drive past my indy.  Screwed me out of a commission.  The shop
>> called me to
>>>> make sure I did not know the guy, and I did not recall the name, but
>>>> checked email and found the old mail.  Sale price was too close to
>> bottom
>>>> line to get any cash in my pocket.  I was told he would be coming by
>> to pay
>>>> for the 

Re: [MBZ] 124 comps

[clay via Mercedes]

Craig, did you keep the car?  If so, are you parting some goodies.  I can use a 
grille

clay

On May 3, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

> On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:20:36 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Yes USAA has great rates, but they don't pay much if your car doesn't
>> fit into their box.
> 
> They gave me an equitable value for our '95 E320 which was totaled
> without my having to do anything.
> 
> 
> Craig
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[MBZ] And we are down to the final Three

[clay via Mercedes]

http://www.funnyism.com/i/epicfail/76453

I get to vote May 24th for my choice.

clay

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[MBZ] MooseDay in Ft. MacMurray

[clay via Mercedes]

http://www.funnyism.com/i/epicfail/76432

May all residents be able to relocate safely

clay

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Re: [MBZ] PA sdl

[clay via Mercedes]

Did you rebuild a set for me about six or seven years ago?  If you did, they 
were KILLER!  Best spray pattern, quiet as death, increased MPG and worth every 
penny invested.  Sadly the car ate its cam supports... But the injectors did 
not fail.  I think I sold the set out of the OM615 for $120 they were so clean.

clay


On May 4, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

> Alright, I confess to be the guy who will rebuild injectors for Dan.
> 
> I've done about 8 sets so far with good results.  Although I don't usually
> keep cars long enough to know the long term reliability, I did a set for my
> uncle's 300TD about 40k miles ago and its now one of the quietest 617s I've
> heard.  (It takes a few thousand miles to break these it)
> 
> Anyway, its a pretty simple process and the quality of the rebuilt is
> completely determined by how much time you're willing to invest.  For
> example, you could do 5-6 injectors in an hour by just swapping out the
> nozzles and not adjusting the opening pressures.
> 
> Adjusting the pressures is what takes the most time.  You have to put them
> together, test, then take them apart and change the shim if an adjustment
> is needed.  You end up taking apart each injector 2-3 times.  You also have
> to carefully polish all sealing surfaces on a very flat surface to ensure
> they don't leak.
> 
> I just did a set for my 350SDL yesterday, and spent quite a bit of time
> shaving down shims with 800 grit sandpaper to get the size I was after.  I
> have built up a good collection of shims, so I seem to be able to find the
> ones I'm after with only a little modification.  It probably took me 3-4
> hours, including ultrasonic cleaning of all the parts.
> 
> I use nozzles from Mercedes Source, or where ever I can get Monarks from.
> 
> As for the tester itself, I've been using the modified bottle jack from MS
> for about 5 years, but I just treated myself to a real Bosch tester, the
> same MB recommends for these cars.  It comes (from India!) tomorrow.
> 
> I suppose I could rebuild injectors for people on the list here, but keep
> in mind my turn around time is slow with a full time job, two kids, and a
> garage full of projects.  I usually charge people $75/hour to do stuff, but
> I don't know if thats reasonable in this case of not.
> 
> As for the 350SDL, I just finished quite a bit of work.  I took it for a
> ride yesterday and it goes like a bat out of hell.  Adjusting the injection
> timing probably helped too.  The throttle response is really outstanding,
> so much so I'd guess its going to be pretty impossible to drive in the snow.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well here is the deal.  I have a pop tester so in theory I guess I could
>> rebuild them, but never have.  What all is involved in it?  Replacing the
>> nozzles and setting pressures with shims? Where do you get the shims?  If I
>> were going to send a set of cores to be rebuilt, if I did have a set that
>> is, depending on cost I would probably want my set rebuilt also and sent
>> back to me after yours were done.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/4/2016 1:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> No. I have a private party who will rebuild them for me.
>>> 
>>> Are the inclined injectors for the early style pre chamber engines?
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On May 4, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Are you sending them to Mark "Greazzer" in Columbia SC?  I've very
 satisfied with his work.
 
 I also happen to have a spare set of the inclined injectors.
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
 On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 My finder's fee will be one set of injectors for cores while mine are
> rebuilt. I will return them to you once mine are swapped out.
> 
> You're welcome.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 comps

[clay via Mercedes]

About the same idea as Hagerty, but Hagerty does not limit your annual mileage.

clay

On May 4, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

> I recently got a few emails from USAA advertising a new (I guess) program for 
> classic cars by partnering with American Collectors Insurance (ACI).  I 
> suspect much higher coverage limits are available (at a price) but it didn't 
> sound suitable for daily drivers.  They say:
> 
> ...for collector vehicles that qualify. To determine if your vehicle 
> qualifies, ACI will consider your vehicle's age and whether it: 
> 
>      Is driven on a limited basis (pleasure drives, club 
> functions, exhibitions, tours, etc.). 
>      Is stored in a locked garage (or similar enclosure). 
>      Has established collector value.
> ...
> end
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Craig via Mercedes
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 11:36 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Craig 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 comps
>> 
>> On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:20:36 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes USAA has great rates, but they don't pay much if your car doesn't
>>> fit into their box.
>> 
>> They gave me an equitable value for our '95 E320 which was totaled without
>> my having to do anything.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car

[clay via Mercedes]

I want to sleep 500 in a car that small.  Are they clowns or Japanese?

clay

On May 4, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5569073415.html 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Grille

[clay via Mercedes]

I am needing one from the last edition.  I think yours is original style, which 
does not translate to the E320 W124.

clay

On May 4, 2016, at 6:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

> BTW, grille (with star) on the 124 was knocked off/separated from car intact; 
> I retrieved it; somebody may need one.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT External USB drive for Mac

[clay via Mercedes]

AS I am understanding, you have a dual boot capability and for Time Machine to 
function as desired, you would want one TM drive for the 10.7, with another TM 
disk that loads when you are running Crapitan?


On May 5, 2016, at 6:12 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

> This Mac Pro has a second drive for the OS.  The plan is to
> replace it with an SSD.  Works perfectly as it is.  The original
> drive holds a bone-stock 10.7.5 installation, the last OS that
> officially will run on it.  The second HD holds a tweaked
> El Crapitan, and all the home directories are vectored to
> the ones on the other drive.  No problems whatsoever, at the
> moment.
> 
> Time Machine doesn't much care for _change_!  I think it'll
> restore the works, but if you _move_ the home directories then
> maybe not so much.  Also, the alternate-drive-boot _restore_
> operations, by default, won't have things mounted up to the
> point where it could restore to a second drive too.  You can
> make it happen, but you have to do a manual mount in the
> middle of the process.  That part is NOT even-my-grandma-could-
> do-it, but it IS possible.  Not even all that hard if you
> write it down.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 comps

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Wilton, having been hit, will want to steer far and clear of USAA.  The at 
fault driver insco will be on the hook to make him whole and he will want to 
push hard and for as long  as it takes to get a viable comparable nationwide to 
his car.   I blinked when the idiot who sideswiped my parked car did not play 
ball with his own insco (liberty) and after four months and a half baked 
settlement check almost getting cut, but rust was starting to thrive on the 
damaged area, got USAA involved in making the W220 better.  Instead of the 
replacement of doors and sheet metal that the other party would have been 
paying for, I ended up with bondo and a crap spray job at half to fee, and 
increase on my rates.

clay




On May 5, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

> I thought that the main point of negotiation would be actually _finding_ a
> comparable car for sale, ideally finding several examples, to show what
> actual market prices are.
> 
> After all, the point is being able to _replace_ the car (be made whole).
> 
> Wilton's insco is USAA, but doesn't the other driver's insco play a role
> here?
> 
> In addition, as far as a "buy back" offer, scrap metal prices are at record
> lows, so if Wilton is interested in that option, I would expect that price
> to be pretty low.  Does anyone know how the insco will calculate that?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - built a PC from scratch recently?

[clay via Mercedes]

Hire yourself a wet behind the ears kid to build up a fresh PC.  My #1 boy 
invested far too much in his rig but it was all cutting edge, for about 23 
seconds.  He used Corsair for the support bits and ASUS Logic board and GPU.  
Core i7, 32 Gb ram, SSD boot and RAID ... bunch of numbers for the complex of 
spinning things.  Massive fans that make it sound like a B-29 launching from 
aircraft carrier when it gets too hot.  No neon.

clay

On May 5, 2016, at 11:47 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

> My 8 year old HP is now spontaeously turning it's  self off. Diagnostics
> said that the memory failed the test, so I bought new Kingston DIMMs and
> installed them. It's still doing the same thing, so I'm thinking the mother
> board has a bad chip or something. I'm thinking I'd rather build a new one
> from scratch to avoid all the bloatware that comes iwth a new PC.
> Any recommendations for hardware these days? I haven't bought such since
> mid 2000's.
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] For All Those Green Car Lovers

[clay via Mercedes]

h

Eeerrooopn.  I tink I vant de leder seetz, not zee foof soaked fabric stuff.

clay

On May 5, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Today’s green car:
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1463904-w126-related-items-sale-wanted-buy-549.html#post14311458
> 
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Re: [MBZ] And we are down to the final Three

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Had lunch with my Mother today (05/05) and discussed the current political dire 
straits.  Not the band.  I pointed out we have ended up with the three stooges. 
 She laughed.  Then we drank beer and finished our mexican foods.

clay

On May 5, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> Pillary, with her bought and paid for stupordelegates, will be the Prison (D) 
> delegate
> 
> Don Old will be the republisocialist delegate
> 
> Bernie needs to run third party.  Many andrew or LT Don or someone(?) can get 
> him would up to give us a non-establishment choice.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 comps

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USAA fights for their customers, but will make a choice that is best for the 
shareholders in resolving cases that they are paying for.  They make it almost 
right, but not fully back to the way it was before it got hurt

clay


On May 6, 2016, at 5:41 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> So are you saying USAA will try to screw over its insured and makes life 
> difficult?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 6, 2016, at 2:15 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Wilton, having been hit, will want to steer far and clear of USAA.  The at 
>> fault driver insco will be on the hook to make him whole and he will want to 
>> push hard and for as long  as it takes to get a viable comparable nationwide 
>> to his car.   I blinked when the idiot who sideswiped my parked car did not 
>> play ball with his own insco (liberty) and after four months and a half 
>> baked settlement check almost getting cut, but rust was starting to thrive 
>> on the damaged area, got USAA involved in making the W220 better.  Instead 
>> of the replacement of doors and sheet metal that the other party would have 
>> been paying for, I ended up with bondo and a crap spray job at half to fee, 
>> and increase on my rates.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought that the main point of negotiation would be actually _finding_ a
>>> comparable car for sale, ideally finding several examples, to show what
>>> actual market prices are.
>>> 
>>> After all, the point is being able to _replace_ the car (be made whole).
>>> 
>>> Wilton's insco is USAA, but doesn't the other driver's insco play a role
>>> here?
>>> 
>>> In addition, as far as a "buy back" offer, scrap metal prices are at record
>>> lows, so if Wilton is interested in that option, I would expect that price
>>> to be pretty low.  Does anyone know how the insco will calculate that?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 comps

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The most current interaction with USAA was the least positive I have had.  
Until the past incident their actions were exemplary.  I have had service with 
them for only half Wilton's and have never had qualms.  Maybe the trouble is 
the rolling turd W220.  USAA paid $3500 to do the repair, while the were 
pushing the offending insco to pay over $6k to make me whole.

clay

On May 6, 2016, at 6:56 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

> USAA has served me well, so far, for over 55 years.  One example was in '78 
> in CA.  The day before I left for a year's assignment in Greenland, a damned 
> fool driving a VW Bug suddenly turned left as my older son and I were passing 
> him on the left as he crept along at about 25 mph studying the countryside.  
> Son was driving our Dodge van as we approached the VW from rear and gave 
> adequate warring by horn that we were passing 'im on the left. Driver and 
> passenger in the VW were oblivious to traffic around them as they crept along 
> discussing the dessert "real estate" to their right.  Just as we were along 
> beside the VW, it suddenly turn left in front of the van's right, front 
> corner, which sheared left front wheel off the VW.  VW driver got ticket from 
> CHP.
> 
> USAA agent said, "Don't worry about it; have no more communication with other 
> driver; send anything you get from them to me."  VW driver sued, SWMBO nor I 
> ever responded directly - just sent everything to USAA agent.  USAA got my 
> van fixed and finally got full recovery from other party.  Year or so after 
> accident, I got a check from USAA for the deductible I had paid.
> 
> For other damages I've claimed over the years, incl. vandalism to my 2 cars 
> about 4 years ago, USAA has sent me checks and I got cars repaired wherever I 
> wanted, or not, or did repairs myself.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 comps
> 
> 
>> So are you saying USAA will try to screw over its insured and makes life 
>> difficult?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 6, 2016, at 2:15 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wilton, having been hit, will want to steer far and clear of USAA.  The at 
>>> fault driver insco will be on the hook to make him whole and he will want 
>>> to push hard and for as long  as it takes to get a viable comparable 
>>> nationwide to his car.   I blinked when the idiot who sideswiped my parked 
>>> car did not play ball with his own insco (liberty) and after four months 
>>> and a half baked settlement check almost getting cut, but rust was starting 
>>> to thrive on the damaged area, got USAA involved in making the W220 better. 
>>>  Instead of the replacement of doors and sheet metal that the other party 
>>> would have been paying for, I ended up with bondo and a crap spray job at 
>>> half to fee, and increase on my rates.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 5, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I thought that the main point of negotiation would be actually _finding_ a
>>>> comparable car for sale, ideally finding several examples, to show what
>>>> actual market prices are.
>>>> 
>>>> After all, the point is being able to _replace_ the car (be made whole).
>>>> 
>>>> Wilton's insco is USAA, but doesn't the other driver's insco play a role
>>>> here?
>>>> 
>>>> In addition, as far as a "buy back" offer, scrap metal prices are at record
>>>> lows, so if Wilton is interested in that option, I would expect that price
>>>> to be pretty low.  Does anyone know how the insco will calculate that?
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

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Without pictures or ability to look it over, I would assume it is really as 
described with no rust, minor paint damage and all subsystems are fully 
functional, new tires, leather seats, great soft top.  I would give it a 
$7k-9500 range.


clay 

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On May 10, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
> opening my new office, etc.
> 
> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
> because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They described 
> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
> the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   Given the fact that 
> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
> 
> She sent me some pictures.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

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The 380 is really not sought after.  Too many issues with the timing chain, 
weaker M116 engine, wonky ACC,  The thing would need to be in top shape to snag 
a high price.  There are a number of buyers with stars in their eyes who can be 
helped to part with big cash


On May 10, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Send it to Clay, he'll get $10k for it... ;)
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Value Question
> 
> Donald,
> 
> Hope all is well with you and yours.
> 
> With what little information you've given, based on what I have seen around 
> my area a similarly equipped and described car would probably be in the 
> $5,000-$8,000 range, I would guess.
> 
> Lots and lots of variables in there, so this is probably a swag at best.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.  Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
>> opening my new office, etc.
>> 
>> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
>> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is worth 
>> because they are going to sell it.  The odometer says roughly 70,000 but it 
>> stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.  The runs great.  They described 
>> it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor fading of 
>> the paint on the trunk.  They have the hard top as well as the soft top.  It 
>> is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.  Given the fact that 
>> the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for this car in good to 
>> very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
>> 
>> She sent me some pictures.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

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WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality is 
that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not be 
given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on even now 
in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used to be easy to 
book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, treatments 
are not covered or available, and the common response is to purchase over the 
counter solutions and hope for the best.

clay


On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
> government run death camps...
> 
> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
> lifetime of labor with short death?
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>> 
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
>>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
>>> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>>> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
>>> happen than when they do.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  From: G Mann 
>>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>>> 
>>> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
>>> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
>>> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder
>> joint...
>>> brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
>>> fierce independence, in both cases.
>>> 
>>> One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
>>> refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
>>> given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
>>> however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
>>> case" 
>>> 
>>> That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
>>> 
>>> As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
>>> [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, absolutely yes!
>>> Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't
>> admit
>>> their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to
>> "prevent
>>> mistakes" which generally make things worse.
>>> We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
>>> sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
>>> granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
>>> because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
>>> it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her
>> in
>>> surgery in the first place.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>>> 
>>> Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause
>> of
>>> death is medical errors.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 But I repeat myself...
 
 --R
 
 On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 
> Southern Redneck Crackers
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Re: [MBZ] Value Question

[clay via Mercedes]

Nobody blew on hookers.  Though hookers could be fun to use as models for 
future auto sales

I did get the seller three times what he wanted for a kind of clapped out 77 
450SL

clay

On May 10, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Clay had a long night of hookers and blow last night.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 1:41 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Without pictures or ability to look it over, I would assume it is really as 
>> described with no rust, minor paint damage and all subsystems are fully 
>> functional, new tires, leather seats, great soft top.  I would give it a 
>> $7k-9500 range.
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Guys.  Long time no post.   Sorry, I have just been swamped with work, 
>>> opening my new office, etc.
>>> 
>>> One of my wife's relatives had a 1983 380SL.  He recently died and my 
>>> stepdaughter has been asked to store the car.  She asked me what it is 
>>> worth because they are going to sell it.   The odometer says roughly 70,000 
>>> but it stopped.  They don't know when it stopped.   The runs great.  They 
>>> described it as a 7 out 10 in terms of condition.  The only issue is minor 
>>> fading of the paint on the trunk.   They have the hard top as well as the 
>>> soft top.  It is gold and has no rust, seats are in good shape, etc.   
>>> Given the fact that the mileage is unknown what is a reasonable value for 
>>> this car in good to very good condition, but with unknown mileage?
>>> 
>>> She sent me some pictures.
>>> 
>>> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[clay via Mercedes]

I jumped ship when my internist left his practice to join a concierge service.  
There was far too much overhead and not enough income to pay for the 
administrative costs.  Medicaide pays nothing, insco drags feet for over 120 
days, and gives a fraction as payment.  He had to pretty much be factory worker 
seeing people for five to ten minutes then rush to the next person.  The shop 
would have made more renting the rooms out to hookers.  

My doc took over his father's practice and was at three docs when  I found him, 
 He fled when there were seven and they could no longer cover costs.  That shop 
is still there, plugging away while the Titanic sinks.  My medic is now able to 
give me all the time needed, in a relaxed and thoughtful manner.  He can afford 
to send his kids to college, where they are racking up debt to become healers, 
but at least they will not be enslaved to the debt

clay

On May 10, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My
> sense is that they earn a decent living.
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible
>> to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the
>> reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth
>> of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that
>> are not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to
>> make a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.
>> I have related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
>> oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health"
>> care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.
>> 
>> As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or
>> whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering
>> services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the
>> docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...
>> 
>> "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
>> 
>> "If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
>>> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
>>> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
>>> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
>>> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
>>> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
>>> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
>>> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
>>> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
>>> best.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>>>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>>>> government run death camps...
>>>> 
>>>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>>>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>>>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
>>>> their
>>>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>>>>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>>>>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
>>>>>> Those
>>>>>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>>>>>> In a similar vein are the people w

Re: [MBZ] WAS - fuel cans - spouts - Now Osama Care

[clay via Mercedes]

Local health provider in less urban counties are stocking up on Non-English 
speakers for MD posts.  These people have a skewed view of how to deal with 
white folk, or anybody needing attention.  I think they are more prone to 
drinking the Kool Aid that Admin is passing out as to level of service to 
provide.  Cost saving is the key, not health of the patient.  Make a Buck, 
screw the infirm.  The dance with insco and Admin results in treatment only as 
long as there is cash to be siphoned.  Oncologist would rather not go through 
the dance to get best care the insco will pay, just give the least you can get 
away with.  That crap is what killed my father.  As a geriatric oncology 
patient, his sawbones knew he should have immune boosters, but did not do it 
until I contact attorney who chatted with a lead Admin at the cancer center.  
By then it was too late, as the chemo had destroyed his immune system and he 
died a month later.  I am not sure five months of booster would have prolonged 
lif
 e over much, but it would have given him a fighting chance to survive chemo.

clay

On May 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible to 
> cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the 
> reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth of 
> medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that are 
> not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to make 
> a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.  I have 
> related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an oncologist by a 
> cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health" care insurance of 
> the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.
> 
> As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or 
> whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering 
> services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the docs 
> who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...
> 
> "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
> 
> "If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"
> 
> --R
> 
> On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality 
>> is that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
>> outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
>> studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not 
>> be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on 
>> even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used 
>> to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be 
>> found, treatments are not covered or available, and the common response is 
>> to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the best.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>>> government run death camps...
>>> 
>>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
>>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>>>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>>>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
>>>>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>>>>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
>>>>> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>>>>> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
>>>>> happen than when they do.
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>&g

[MBZ] Looks Like a Toad Mobile

[clay via Mercedes]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5549273339.html

Since y'all like poking fun at me, I am sure it would sell for three times 
asking once you buff it out




clay 

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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
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[MBZ] CL retard of the day

[clay via Mercedes]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/5579236512.html

This could be a pig in a poke or a gem in the rough hard to tell with 
absolutely no data


clay 

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Re: [MBZ] Looks Like a Toad Mobile

[clay via Mercedes]

Maybe the OM617 NA from a W115 would work.  Oil filter down in front, not out 
the back side.

clay

On May 12, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

>> Is the OM603 that much longer than the M180?
> 
> THe oil filter is a big problem.  even an OM616 will not fit in the 110 
> because of the oil filter.  The M180 won't fit in a 110.  THe M180 was in 111 
> body.   for the M180, there is roughly 6 inches of stretch in the inner 
> fenders, fenders, and hood.
> 
> That was the only difference between the 110 and the 111.  110 is short and 
> has room for a 4 cyl engine.  111 is about 6" longer and will fit a 6 cyl, 
> but still not an OM603 with the oil filter pointing backwards.
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Re: [MBZ] I'm gone

[clay via Mercedes]

I made a princely sum on the sale of the 77 450SL.  Now I am having bad 
thoughts.  I am waiting for a few responses to some low price CL ads.  There 
are a number of under $700 cars on the site that just need a little wrenching 
or visit to PnP for body parts.

clay

On May 12, 2016, at 5:35 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

> You know where a $500 Mercedes sits?
> 
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> OK boys, now's your chance!  Kaleb has left the field and we can soak as
>> many $500 Mercedes as we please without his competition...
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 6:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I will be in Cancun for a week.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] RockAuto Closeouts

[clay via Mercedes]

I got stuck in the middle of a Hostile Workplace Environment situation at work.

Boss is Ethiopian and is not supportive of alternative life stylings.  Another 
worker, white boy, goes on about perversions in restrooms and how he should 
march into a dames latrine pretending to be gender identified that way.  This 
all started with discussion of Trump, no idea how this wrong turn got made  
Anyway, the quiet gay guy in the room could no longer keep quiet and went off 
because he became verklempt.  Boss had to follow him down the street when he 
stormed out of the office.  Neither of the anti gays thought they had done 
wrong.  I wanted to tell them it was about half a step from justifying 
segregated restroom under Jim Crow.  Just a matter of time frames

clay




On May 12, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> I heard on the radio yesterday that there are an estimated 700k trannies in 
> the US.  That seems like a kinda high number, but in terms of ratio that is 
> 0.2% of the population.  I'm not sure that is worth all the uproar but there 
> you go.
> 
> I have not yet figured out what the criteria are for "identification."  Say, 
> if I am need of a baño quite quickly, and the one corresponding to my initial 
> setup is busy, can I temporarily "identify" as the gender for which the baño 
> is available?  If, say, I am a dude and would like to take a look around the 
> dudette's yoga changing room, can I "identify" for that time?  What 
> constitutes "identification?"
> 
> I asked my BIL who is a lawyer and resident of Chapel liberHill in NC, and 
> whose wife and kids seem to have strong feelings on this matter, how it would 
> work and he professed ignorance as well.  I'll have to ask my daughter at 
> some point, she seems to know about this stuff but maybe not about that 
> aspect.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 5/12/16 4:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Try as I might, I just can't get worked up about this incredibly critical
>> issue.
>> 
>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh no, our stellar state legislator, Lee "Notso" Bright of Sparkleburg has
>>> introduced a bill kinda like NC's but I don't think it has gone anywhere,
>>> but the school district of the next county up says tranny kids can go to
>>> whichever baño suits them.
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
>>> On 5/12/16 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> 
 My bad.  I was confusing you with NC.
 
 On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel >>> > wrote:
 
 Only if he uses gender-dictated rest rooms.
 
 On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 
 I am in SC, would he still know about our cars?
 
 --R
 
 
 On 5/12/16 3:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 
 RA is really good as far as customer support and returns
 from what I’ve found.  I wouldn’t have any qualms about
 buying from them.  If you call you get some guy who knows
 cars located in Madison, WI.
 
 Dan
 
 On May 12, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via
 Mercedes >>> > wrote:
 
 I would only buy bulbs from a reputable vendor -
 online or bricks and
 mortar - who would replace any defective merchandise.
  


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Re: [MBZ] I'm gone

[clay via Mercedes]

Thankfully the CL Flakes are out in force and have failed to return my 
inquiries.  Guess I have to put the cash in the bank instead of fetching my 
newest toy to play with.

clay

On May 12, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> Impure thoughts are the best thoughts
> 
> --BB
> 
> On 5/12/16 8:10 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> I made a princely sum on the sale of the 77 450SL.  Now I am having bad 
>> thoughts.  I am waiting for a few responses to some low price CL ads.  There 
>> are a number of under $700 cars on the site that just need a little 
>> wrenching or visit to PnP for body parts.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] RockAuto Closeouts

[clay via Mercedes]

I am most disturbed by employment.  The spectrum of sexuality is smoke and 
mirrors that gets drug out to make idiots feel better about their perverse 
cravings

clay

On May 12, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> I'm not sure what is the most disturbing about this recounting, that you have 
> a job, or that the alleged activity took place.
> 
> --BB
> 
> On 5/12/16 8:26 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> I got stuck in the middle of a Hostile Workplace Environment situation at 
>> work.
>> 
>> Boss is Ethiopian and is not supportive of alternative life stylings.  
>> Another worker, white boy, goes on about perversions in restrooms and how he 
>> should march into a dames latrine pretending to be gender identified that 
>> way.  This all started with discussion of Trump, no idea how this wrong turn 
>> got made  Anyway, the quiet gay guy in the room could no longer keep 
>> quiet and went off because he became verklempt.  Boss had to follow him down 
>> the street when he stormed out of the office.  Neither of the anti gays 
>> thought they had done wrong.  I wanted to tell them it was about half a step 
>> from justifying segregated restroom under Jim Crow.  Just a matter of time 
>> frames
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> I heard on the radio yesterday that there are an estimated 700k trannies in 
>>> the US.  That seems like a kinda high number, but in terms of ratio that is 
>>> 0.2% of the population.  I'm not sure that is worth all the uproar but 
>>> there you go.
>>> 
>>> I have not yet figured out what the criteria are for "identification."  
>>> Say, if I am need of a baño quite quickly, and the one corresponding to my 
>>> initial setup is busy, can I temporarily "identify" as the gender for which 
>>> the baño is available?  If, say, I am a dude and would like to take a look 
>>> around the dudette's yoga changing room, can I "identify" for that time?  
>>> What constitutes "identification?"
>>> 
>>> I asked my BIL who is a lawyer and resident of Chapel liberHill in NC, and 
>>> whose wife and kids seem to have strong feelings on this matter, how it 
>>> would work and he professed ignorance as well.  I'll have to ask my 
>>> daughter at some point, she seems to know about this stuff but maybe not 
>>> about that aspect.
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
>>> On 5/12/16 4:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Try as I might, I just can't get worked up about this incredibly critical
>>>> issue.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Oh no, our stellar state legislator, Lee "Notso" Bright of Sparkleburg has
>>>>> introduced a bill kinda like NC's but I don't think it has gone anywhere,
>>>>> but the school district of the next county up says tranny kids can go to
>>>>> whichever baño suits them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --R
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/12/16 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> My bad.  I was confusing you with NC.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel >>>>> <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Only if he uses gender-dictated rest rooms.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am in SC, would he still know about our cars?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --R
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/12/16 3:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RA is really good as far as customer support and returns
>>>>>> from what I’ve found.  I wouldn’t have any qualms about
>>>>>> buying from them.  If you call you get some guy who knows
>>>>>> cars located in Madison, WI.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 

Re: [MBZ] RockAuto Closeouts

[clay via Mercedes]

Most of the potty pirates will be seated and not standing, as the plumbing or 
identity will dictate seat down.   Post op the plumbing will match identity so 
you would have no clue.  If you end up standing next to somebody piddling and 
they really should have observed the gap, that may indicate uneducated trans or 
a perv.

clay



On May 12, 2016, at 9:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

> OK... inquiring minds want to know..
> 
> What is the new social protocol for when a chick stands beside you at the
> urinal line?
> 
> I mean, for decades we've had a social protocol for when a guy stands
> beside you, right?  You never look.. unless he is peeing on your foot, that
> is.. so when a female decides to "man up" and use the urinals with "the
> rest of the guys" ... what do we do guys?
> 
> Did the U S Supreme Court consider such nuances when they scripted their
> ruling? Seems that nuance has been overlooked..
> 
> 
> Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> 
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> You need to file for disability.  the company failed to provide you a
>> "safe space" and therefore caused you irreparable damage and trauma...etc.
>> Forced to work with  people who were homophobes, forced to work with people
>> who are infidels etc.  Oughta work!
>> 
>> You can share a million with each of us.  You won't need it all!  We have
>> a lawyer in KS who can lead, and Randy can provide backup.
>> 
>> I got stuck in the middle of a Hostile Workplace Environment situation at
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> Boss is Ethiopian and is not supportive of alternative life stylings.
>>> Another worker, white boy, goes on about perversions in restrooms and how
>>> he should march into a dames latrine pretending to be gender identified
>>> that way.  This all started with discussion of Trump, no idea how this
>>> wrong turn got made  Anyway, the quiet gay guy in the room could no
>>> longer keep quiet and went off because he became verklempt.  Boss had to
>>> follow him down the street when he stormed out of the office.  Neither of
>>> the anti gays thought they had done wrong.  I wanted to tell them it was
>>> about half a step from justifying segregated restroom under Jim Crow.  Just
>>> a matter of time frames
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] RockAuto Closeouts

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I wish, the company is severely litigation protected.  Deep pockets and legal 
teams in place to rape and pillage anything that comes their way.  Standard 
employment policy is to terminate on any action that peeves one of the family 
of owners or higher officer.  Passing gas that offends one of them will do it.

clay



On May 12, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> You need to file for disability.  the company failed to provide you a "safe 
> space" and therefore caused you irreparable damage and trauma...etc.  Forced 
> to work with  people who were homophobes, forced to work with people who are 
> infidels etc.  Oughta work!
> 
> You can share a million with each of us.  You won't need it all!  We have a 
> lawyer in KS who can lead, and Randy can provide backup.
> 
>> I got stuck in the middle of a Hostile Workplace Environment situation at 
>> work.
>> 
>> Boss is Ethiopian and is not supportive of alternative life stylings.  
>> Another worker, white boy, goes on about perversions in restrooms and how he 
>> should march into a dames latrine pretending to be gender identified that 
>> way.  This all started with discussion of Trump, no idea how this wrong turn 
>> got made  Anyway, the quiet gay guy in the room could no longer keep 
>> quiet and went off because he became verklempt.  Boss had to follow him down 
>> the street when he stormed out of the office.  Neither of the anti gays 
>> thought they had done wrong.  I wanted to tell them it was about half a step 
>> from justifying segregated restroom under Jim Crow.  Just a matter of time 
>> frames
>> 
>> clay
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Banos

[clay via Mercedes]

Why would they read the pee pee bill if they would not read the OsamaCare bill?

clay


On May 12, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

>> I have to wonder how many folks have actually read the "bill" ( 
>>  )
>> vs. echoing talking points from their respective zelots?
>> 
>> As far as I can tell, it says: (1) only men use men's rooms (restrooms, 
>> changing, showers, etc.), (2) only women use the women's rooms, (3) young 
>> children, janitors, EMPs, etc. are exempted, (4) only applies to public 
>> schools and state/local government facilities, and (5) this isn't sexual 
>> discrimination.
>> 
> 
> What sacrilege!  You expect the celebs , pols and other people to READ?  You 
> expect them to READ the BILL?  You expect the POLS to READ the BILL before 
> they VOTE???
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Re: [MBZ] RockAuto Closeouts

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But, but, but... 

He is a Constipational Law professor!?!

Might explain his being full of dung

clay

On May 13, 2016, at 5:11 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

>> You know, over in yurp the yurapeeins are somewhat lax about their gender 
>> issues in the convenience.  I was in the gents in Berlin once and some woman 
>> comes in, the janitoress, who proceeded to do her business, so to speak, 
>> while the gents were doing theirs.  I briefly considered the cultural 
>> anomaly but continued with my relief, considerably compelled to do so, and 
>> exited fully intact in both psyche and sensibility.  The presence of the 
>> opposing gender, fully and clearly so, had minimal effect on my genderism 
>> and expressions thereof.
>> 
>> I am evolving.
>> 
>> --R (sent from my miniPad)
> 
> 
> Well now the gangster in chief, king bumster the oneth is going to enter the 
> fray.  He is going to issue a decree from on high.
> 
> Maybe someone should read the 10th amendment to him.
> 
> Oh yeah,  he says that Constitution thing is just  a piece of paper with 
> meaningless markings on it.  If ya grow up with swahili, that may be true...
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Re: [MBZ] RockAuto Closeouts

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Time Magazine tells me I have to pay $42,856.12 as my part of the national 
debt.  I guess everybody under the auspices of congress owes that much as well. 
 What if we skim a little off the top of the payments the furrners are shipping 
home to pay off some debts?  Slow the flow of cash to Mexico, Africa, Asia and 
no need to shop at wally world

clay

On May 13, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Yeah sure and pigs will fly. How do you bring in LESS money, pledge to not 
> cut 80% of the budget and expect to eliminate debt? Makes zero sense.
> Trump specifically says 10 years which, if you actually use MATH is 
> impossible unless the nation spends nothing on ANYTHING except social 
> security, medicare and defense, and even then you'll probably have to cut 
> into defense some.
> So forget clean water, or parks or roads or anything...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] RockAuto Closeouts
> 
>> Oh yeah, Trump is gonna "lower taxes", "take care of everybody" on 
>> healthcare, not touch social security or medicare AND somehow lower 
>> the debt. Its MAGIC, it'll be uge!
>> -Curt
> 
> Can be done.  unshackle the regulatory stranglehold on business and 
> Merkun Ingenuity.  Turn loose the creativity of Merkuns and lower the 
> corp tax rates to being home overseas capital.  Maybe a little tax 
> cut, and you'd be amazed at what can happen.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Banos

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Maybe the solution is to do a full chromosomal identification to verify XY 
gender.  A GenID is marked upon your forehead.  The Pure XX or XY can use 
appropriate holes in ground, while the muddled XXY, XYX sorts are given a tree 
or shrub as needed.

clay

On May 13, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

> I suspect they really wanted to define biological gender as "what's between
> your legs" but that probably sounded too indelicate to say or to demonstrate
> at a legal proceeding.   According to the governor, he expects folks would
> get their birth certificate corrected after a sex change.  
> 
> IMO, HB2 is a really stupid law passed only to stop an even stupider law in
> Charlotte. 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>> 
>> Its the birth certificate part thats sketchy. What happens when for all
> intents
>> it looks like a setter but has pointer parts? Or vice versa? Who checks
> the
>> birth certificate? Does the birth certificate get changed (re-titled?)
> after
>> conversion?
>> Its not a black and white conversation...
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Banos

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Potty tipping would become a required ritual and all manner of bullied child 
would be know by their blue coloration and manure scent

clay

On May 13, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> Just close the bathrooms and showers at the skools.  Put jim's johns out back 
> at least 200 yards away.  It would drasticly cut down the raised hand traffic 
> to only what is essential and whatever identity does not matter.   NOBODY 
> wants to use a portapotty.
> 
> 
>> Bring back the old half moon outhouses (one seaters, of course).
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another Failed W114 Project

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There are around a half dozen or so on CL out by me.  They are not selling, are 
rust buckets, and some even run.  Priced from $600-2k.  All are project fails

clay

On May 14, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> I wonder how many of these there are out there?
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5585934192.html
> 
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[MBZ] K'Leb car and he is out of town

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https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/5582093030.html

Price seems to be a few bucks above scrap yard offer




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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
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Re: [MBZ] Some Rust

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Next on the auction block is a 85 380SL.  It is in the prep stage today.  
Original paint, no rust through, but a number of acne like rust spots.  Trunk 
has terminal clear coat death and is getting new paint.  The thirty year old 
paint has cleaned up well, but to get really pretty, it will end up with 
measles if touch up paint gets used.  Do not want to know just how much 
noodling the electronics are going to need.  A trip to the body shop for a sand 
and paint would get it to a full five footer.  Not on my dime... wonder how a 
buyer would feel

clay



On May 15, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> That is one SCARY rust hole!  Having restored a rusty SLC, I can assure you
> there's a lot more hidden rust.  That's really a shame - the rest of the
> car is beautiful.
> 
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> “Some” as in a “bucket”?
>> 
>> What I found really weird is that the rest of the car looks really good.
>> I didn’t see any indication of rust in the usual places, although the
>> pictures weren’t that great.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some bondo will take care of that
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
>>> On 5/15/16 1:39 PM, Daniel Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 Uh, I didn’t see any rust, just gaping holes…
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5587468353.html
 
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[MBZ] R107 Headlight doors

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Anybody have a pair of doors that are in decent shape they are willing to part 
with?  The 380SL I am assisting the sale of has euro lights and the DOT lamps 
are a better fit economically

clay 

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Re: [MBZ] Some Rust

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Price is still not set.  Electronics are getting sorted out with a full 
Marshall Booth including relays and tear down of the under dash area so all the 
things work when it gets buttoned up

clay

On May 18, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> That one has to be worth at least 17k
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 2:42 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Next on the auction block is a 85 380SL.  It is in the prep stage today.  
>> Original paint, no rust through, but a number of acne like rust spots.  
>> Trunk has terminal clear coat death and is getting new paint.  The thirty 
>> year old paint has cleaned up well, but to get really pretty, it will end up 
>> with measles if touch up paint gets used.  Do not want to know just how much 
>> noodling the electronics are going to need.  A trip to the body shop for a 
>> sand and paint would get it to a full five footer.  Not on my dime... wonder 
>> how a buyer would feel
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is one SCARY rust hole!  Having restored a rusty SLC, I can assure you
>>> there's a lot more hidden rust.  That's really a shame - the rest of the
>>> car is beautiful.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> “Some” as in a “bucket”?
>>>> 
>>>> What I found really weird is that the rest of the car looks really good.
>>>> I didn’t see any indication of rust in the usual places, although the
>>>> pictures weren’t that great.
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 15, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some bondo will take care of that
>>>>> 
>>>>> --R
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/15/16 1:39 PM, Daniel Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> Uh, I didn’t see any rust, just gaping holes…
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5587468353.html
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] '84 300 CD- Locked Ignition Switch

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It took me a week of fiddling with the lockset to get my 74 R107 to turn.  I 
slobbered Tri-Flow in the slot, inserted the key, hooked the sander to the head 
and rattled the be-jeesus out of it for a few minutes, then turned the key left 
and right a few times, spun the steering wheel left and right, removed the key, 
sopped up the black snot that came out, and applied the sander some more.  
Usually five to ten minutes a day.  Last day I was able to get the key turned 
and started the car right up.  Called the locksmith and he told me to get in 
and drive right over, NOW, do not shut of the car.  He was able to pull the 
lock, rebuild and clean it up, cut a reference key and had her back on the road 
within a few days.  Matched the key he cut to work all other locks as well.


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> I second the pad/detail sander.  Just make sure you are ready to
> remove the lock cylinder once you get it to turn, and use a screwdriver
> to start it 'til you can replace it.  Also check that it's not the
> steering lock itself that's doing the dirty, but usually it's the
> lock cylinder.
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Re: [MBZ] Banos

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I was more 4F than useful, Grandfather was first class of USMC OCS in 1920, 
uncle was USMC in the Pacific war, dad was in Korea, nephew is awaiting 
commission in USMC.

clay


On May 20, 2016, at 5:52 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

>> Who has served?
> 
> Not I.  But, I do manage to qualify for USAA insurance,
> does that count?  :-)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] R107 Headlight doors

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They are not.  They do look very similar, but have a different step pattern 

clay

On May 20, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> 116 should be the same iirc
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 20, 2016, at 2:07 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Anybody have a pair of doors that are in decent shape they are willing to 
>> part with?  The 380SL I am assisting the sale of has euro lights and the DOT 
>> lamps are a better fit economically
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
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>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] R107 Headlight doors

[clay via Mercedes]

Not my lights.  Selling for a friend and these are immaculate with less than 
400 miles on the road.  The car does not increase in value with them on, but 
off, they would fetch about $1400

clay


On May 20, 2016, at 6:21 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

> I've been mulling putting Euro lights on my 450 SLC.  Wanna swap?
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 3:53 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> They are not.  They do look very similar, but have a different step pattern
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On May 20, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> 116 should be the same iirc
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 20, 2016, at 2:07 PM, clay via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Anybody have a pair of doors that are in decent shape they are willing
>> to part with?  The 380SL I am assisting the sale of has euro lights and the
>> DOT lamps are a better fit economically
>>>> 
>>>> clay
>>>> 
>>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] Banos

[clay via Mercedes]

Dad was there before the police action began, GI Bill got him through college 
and allowed him to serve his nation officially for the next 35 years


On May 20, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

> clay wrote:
>> ...dad was in Korea...
> 
> my dad also and from pnw like you.  my dad is chrome dome in picture
> of armistice signing on the boat deck at punjamon.  army language
> school fluent mandarin could not be discerned as american on phone.
> but i didn't know him.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 350sdl update

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That is just way too clean.  Must be a failed oil pump

clay

On May 21, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> I removed the valve cover and this is what I find. Any theories as to what 
> would have caused this?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 606 glow plugs

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Probably not skipped.  Number 6 is a demon from hell, cursed by the all mighty. 
 For some reason the OM606 engine will coke up the #6 and not let it go.  Both 
times I had to deal with them in the E300D, the head came off so the GP could 
be removed.




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On May 21, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> I'm finally getting around to replacing the glow plugs in my 97 e300. 1-5 
> came out easy with no issues, and look like recent ngk plugs, no carbon build 
> up at all. I don't know anything about these so assume they fail early. I get 
> to #6 and it is stuck good. I'm working it back and forth now. I assume they 
> just skipped that one the last time.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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I get all excited about a W115 OM617.  My indy has sworn that if I do buy and 
try to take it to him for work that he will fire my butt and never work on my 
cars again.

clay

On May 22, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> For some reason I all the sudden really want a 240D or non turbo 300D 123. 
> I'm not sure why. I just left HF and there was a beat up one in the parking 
> lot.
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Re: [MBZ] Slightly OT: Eat your roadkill

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Parasites are the issue.  Eat the meat, not the organs.  Depending on how 
severe the damage, you can get lots of workable meat.  BiL collected a deer 
that was hit and flew over the car in front.  He stopped his car, pulled the 
animal to the roadside and contacted LEO.  Officer came by and told  him that 
legally the animal needed to be put down and collected by department of dead 
animals.  Then he got back in his cruiser and left, turning a blind eye.  BiL 
field dress the deer and took it home.  Swift action reduced damage to the 
flesh so very little waste.

clay


On May 23, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

> I find the article a little contradictory.  On one hand, it advises against
> eating the liver and other organs; on the other hand it touts the "organic"
> nature of wild animals, free-range and no antibiotics and such.  Hmmm...  I
> completely agree with the caution against eating anything like the brain or
> the spinal column, due to the risk of contacting mad cow disease, but I
> would imagine the the liver and the heart and the stomach would all be
> prime eating.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 8:35 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> A friend who has family in Alaska told me they can get "tags" to harvest a
>> certain number of moose hit by trucks. When one is killed, you are called
>> and if you don't come in a certain time frame they call the next person. He
>> said a moose can really fill up a food locker and the meat freezes quickly
>> so little chance of spoilage. Of course, this is Winter activity, I didn't
>> ask about Summer, maybe the same, just have to get there even quicker.
>> Best Wishes,
>> Roger
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[clay via Mercedes]

No real issue, he just does not like working on cars that old because they are 
normally trashed and not economically viable in his eyes.



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On May 23, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> What is the problem with a 617 in a 115?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 23, 2016, at 2:12 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> I get all excited about a W115 OM617.  My indy has sworn that if I do buy 
>> and try to take it to him for work that he will fire my butt and never work 
>> on my cars again.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> For some reason I all the sudden really want a 240D or non turbo 300D 123. 
>>> I'm not sure why. I just left HF and there was a beat up one in the parking 
>>> lot.
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Re: [MBZ] Tires

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I am running them on the W220.  theory was that they would be good for wet 
weather.  I am not happy with the grip, but wear has been ok

clay

On May 23, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> How many miles have you put on either? Are they quiet and smooth?
> 
> Anybody tried Nokian?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 23, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Kuho Solus were pretty good. 
>> 
>> I put a set of ‎Falken Sincera tires on a beater. I am truly impressed by 
>> them. Especially the winter traction. I would definitely buy them again. 
>> 
>> Rick 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
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>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
>> Subject: [MBZ] Tires
>> 
>> I'm looking for tires again and not sure I want to spend the money for 
>> Michelins even though every time i don't I already regret it except for 
>> these Pirelli P7 I have on a car seem good. I'm tempted to try some cheap 
>> tires. Anybody have any cheap tires that they have used that provide smooth 
>> quiet ride that does not slip belts?
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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To him the whole car is a mess.  Parts are hard to come by new and when they 
are available, are over priced.  Many parts are the same as used in the R107, 
just not worth investing big cash in rusted out examples.  Having one on his 
rack or lot gives him great embarrassment and devalues his business image

clay


On May 24, 2016, at 4:19 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

> I thought it was just the heater core on the W115s that cause all the
> issues. Your indie makes it sound like the entire car is a problem.
> 
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 3:12 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I get all excited about a W115 OM617.  My indy has sworn that if I do buy
>> and try to take it to him for work that he will fire my butt and never work
>> on my cars again.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On May 22, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> For some reason I all the sudden really want a 240D or non turbo 300D
>> 123. I'm not sure why. I just left HF and there was a beat up one in the
>> parking lot.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[clay via Mercedes]

ON THE MONEY!

I could take a $10 fix and make it into a $600 repair.


On May 24, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

> I think the issue was that generally Clay would "fix" something on Gump,
> and then fall back on his Indie to "un-fix" and properly "repair" Gump?  ;)
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I thought it was just the heater core on the W115s that cause all the
>> issues. Your indie makes it sound like the entire car is a problem.
>> 
>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 3:12 PM, clay via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I get all excited about a W115 OM617.  My indy has sworn that if I do buy
>>> and try to take it to him for work that he will fire my butt and never
>> work
>>> on my cars again.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> On May 22, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>>> For some reason I all the sudden really want a 240D or non turbo 300D
>>> 123. I'm not sure why. I just left HF and there was a beat up one in the
>>> parking lot.
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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IT took ten hours with three of us to swap out the heater fan on Gump.

clay


On May 24, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> I take exception to this, as I've done the heater blower on a W114 and it was 
> nowhere near 20 hours, more like 10, and that was with the stock AC.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 24, 2016, at 1:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It's the heater fan - - approx. 20 hrs to replace by the book, 10-12 hours
>> the modified Norris method (through the speaker hole).
>> 
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:19 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I thought it was just the heater core on the W115s that cause all the
>>> issues. Your indie makes it sound like the entire car is a problem.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 3:12 PM, clay via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I get all excited about a W115 OM617.  My indy has sworn that if I do buy
>>>> and try to take it to him for work that he will fire my butt and never
>>> work
>>>> on my cars again.
>>>> 
>>>> clay
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 22, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For some reason I all the sudden really want a 240D or non turbo 300D
>>>> 123. I'm not sure why. I just left HF and there was a beat up one in the
>>>> parking lot.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This might clean up and be decent if the price was a little lower

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I wonder if the tires would make it to the local costco?  Battery and tires, 
then take it on the road.  Might be able to do a good job cleaning to get it 
near $12k

clay



On May 24, 2016, at 7:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> 
> 
> 88 mercedes 560sl
> http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/5569714965.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is all kinds of screwed up

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Lower it, put some hopping get up in it and sell it to hispanics

clay

On May 24, 2016, at 7:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> 
> 
> 1976 classic Mercedes 300d
> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5595757664.html
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Re: [MBZ] Crackhead of the day

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Even the PnP yard would think twice about paying $250 for that

clay

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> 74 Mercedes Benz 450 SEL
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Re: [MBZ] Crackhead of the day

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The 85 SL had been sitting a while and mice set up shop.  Had to do a full tear 
down and cleanse.  Now it is ready for photo shoot and marketing.

clay


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> Apparently, mouse poop is more valuable these days.. ew...
> 
> Ever clean out a car that has been "stored" and invaded by mice? ...
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> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:48 PM, clay via Mercedes 
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>> Even the PnP yard would think twice about paying $250 for that
>> 
>> clay
>> 
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[MBZ] comments?

[clay via Mercedes]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5607164367.html

this is the next SL on the block.  


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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked 124

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local PNW pricing is under $100 for a rolling example in pretty complete 
condition.  When I got Gump crushed, the price was $300 for a complete car.

clay



> On Sep 17, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Yep, that's the last stage. If you are taking it to the crusher car bodies 
> are at an all time low right now. If you have room I would store it until the 
> price goes back up 
> 
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>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:36 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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>> 
>> Last stage of the disassembly will be rolling the body into Rich's trailer, 
>> then removing the wheels and probably the rear subframe. 
>> -- 
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>>> On September 17, 2016 3:34:33 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
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>>> BTW, Max, is the left, front wheel that took a large part of the impact
>>> cracked or bent?  I'm worried that it may be unsafe for continued use.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

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Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in two 
years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.   I had a few neighbors 
who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the car.  The 
newer coating lasted more than a few years.

Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the lighter 
colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in warm 
environments.   A blue was more pastel, reds were .. well, red.  Light green, 
orange, white, silver, all colors that would not suck up calories, which might 
scorch a kid should it touch it.  AT that time, not too many cars were AC 
equipped, so interiors were light if not fabric.

clay


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> In the case of cars in hot places, do people get them repainted with a solid 
> color after a couple years, or just drive around with the clear peeling?   
> Probably, it depends.  The old pickup does not get painted.  But does the 2 
> yr old car used for business?
> 
> My only experience was with Livingston, CA and people there seemed to repaint 
> the cars and trucks in a solid white.  But that was maybe 15 years ago when 
> clear was not as prevalent.  Made sense to me, it you were going to live in a 
> hot place...
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> September 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM
>> Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
>> through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
>> reflective under the clear coat.. when the UV light is refracted back to
>> the surface of the clear coat, it is reflected back to the base coat,
>> because the surface of the clear coat "on the surface" is cloudy and the UV
>> light can't get out.. so it bounces back and forth, all the while
>> microscopically super heating the clear coating, which caused it to
>> separate from the base coat and fail...
>> 
>> Bad system design... Looks nice for a couple years.. then fails
>> progressively faster... By it's nature.. it "bonds" to the base coat.. so
>> can't be stripped as an individual coating...
>> 
>> In Arizona.. where clear coat failure only takes one year instead of two,
>> because the sun shines 353 days of the year..
>> 
>> Grant...
>> 
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>> September 18, 2016 at 12:05 AM
>> Gump had a massive case of clear coat Leprosy. I used a razor to cut away 
>> the really bad patches. I also did the sanding of edges to try to feather it 
>> in an attempt to get it to stop spreading. The stuff was resistant to my 
>> ministrations. I suspect there was a respray at one time and the coat was 
>> destined to fail. My suspicion would be that complete removal by sanding 
>> would give you a much better surface to begin with. Polei has a few spots of 
>> entrenched clear ( really small less than a folded dollar) that I sanded 
>> down the edges if I could not completely obliterate. I used 80 grit as a 
>> first phase, then went 100/150 then 220/320 before I did a 400/600 sanding, 
>> which ended with 800/1000 so that there were no hard edges or the stuff was 
>> gone.
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>> September 17, 2016 at 6:39 PM
>> I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the 
>> roof. The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for what 
>> I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
>> 
>> As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and 
>> just polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
>> 
>> I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?
>> 
>> Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations 
>> would be appreciated.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Curing paint on small painted objects

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Did you have to remove the plastic bits?

On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:11 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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> When I restored this Corgi Monkeemobile, I baked the rattlecan resprayed
> diecast body in a toaster oven at 250° for an hour.  Worked great!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Question for the Martha S of laundry

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Go ahead.  the powder does not work all that perfectly, but a low dose will 
dissolve just fine and clean the clothing.  You could make a slurry of the 
powder, if that makes you feel better.   My stacked units have no issue with 
oxi type powders

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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> We have a stacked Kenmore HE2 washer dryer.  Someone gifted us half a tub
> of Kirkland powdered detergent - industrial strength but not HE rated.
> 
> http://harrisburgstore.com/kirkland-laundry-detergent-super-concentrate-powder-kirkland-laundry-soap/?gclid=CJ-RufmBms8CFYckhgodSacDfQ
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> because there is nothing intrinsically different about HE certified soap
> other than its low sudsing characteristics.  Any thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

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I had the oil debate over Polei.  I figured that all the extra pennies for full 
synth would not be economical in the SDL, and standard diesel oil would be 
fine.  The 20-50 is like hen’s teeth now.  FLAPS guy said the call for 
something that thick is waning.  Used only in diesels.  My response was of the 
DUH! sort, as I was purchasing Diesel oil at the time and wanted to know if the 
20-40 was going to be good enough

clay


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is what 
> I have been using in the 606
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>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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>> Larry,
>> 
>> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
>> compares to M1?   I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the 
>> performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun 
>> engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I am 
>> not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.   My 616s get so few miles that I 
>> leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

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That is a pretty good idea.  I installed a set of those for my mother in her 
garage.  She has a work bench and wanted some light.  I forgot that I have tube 
lights in my basement that take forever to fire up.  The LED would be a much 
enjoyed upgrade.

clay

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> I bought some of the LED "shop lights" from Costco a few weeks back and put 
> them in the garage.  Those things put out some really good light, maybe more 
> than the tubes, were like $25 each, come on immediately, are in a format just 
> like the 4ft tube fixtures. They weigh nothing so easy to hang.  I might get 
> some more to replace the tube fixtures I have in there.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have a similar problem with a 2 bulb unit in our kitchen, in our case I 
>> think its the bulbs since they came with the house when we bought it 10 
>> years ago. My plan is to replace them with LEDs but since we almost never 
>> use the big fluorescent fixture I'm also thinking I might replace the whole 
>> thing with a much smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the 
>> basement. I'd still replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
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>>  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:42 AM
>>  Subject: [MBZ] Strange effect
>>2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly 
>> over the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs 
>> on the same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in 
>> its sockets.
>> Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube was 
>> all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and every 
>> time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
>> The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that lets 
>> weak voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of the gas to 
>> complete the circuit.
>> The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot since 
>> neither of the new bulbs is affected.
>> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

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I am torn on tossing synth into the SDL.  When I used M1 in Gump, the first 
three changes did not seem to have much impact.  The fourth change (15k miles) 
everything was running much smoother and quieter.  Lots of the kruft that had 
taken up residence in the engine seemed to have been washed away by the M1.  
Maybe I see if I get the same impact with this car.  But I am only going to be 
putting 1k on the clock annually.  Would be a huge waste of cash using M1 for 
that short a driving period.

clay

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:05 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
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> 
> I would add to this that the 3K oil change is more important to a diesel than 
> a gas engine. When I changed my diesels at 3K, I felt good about getting all 
> the dirt and soot out of the engine. So, while it might be marketing, it was 
> worth it to me. And the engines are still going strong after many years and 
> many miles. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

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And this is why I am torn.  The SDL will not amass miles enough to gain an 
advantage using M1 in the manner that Gump did.  I expect to hit under 1k  per 
annum in the car, and it took butt loads of miles to get goodness in my other 
cars.  IT has been four years of driving the R107 for it to be running nicely 
with M1.  Ten thousand miles on that old car.  It would be a decade in the SDL 
to get enough time running M1 in the OM603 to get it cleaned up.

Classic plates limit my miles on the SDL.  I would need to drive to Colorado 
and back over a weekend to rack up enough miles, then head down to Disneyland 
or LegoLand a few times.  Maybe if I drove to Disneyworld and tossed in a visit 
with Poos/MacDan to rig up my MacPro 1,1 to run el Crapitan on my mega, 
extended road trip of Parade, mechanic visits would I be able to build up the 
mileage and oil changes

clay


> On Sep 20, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, but your observations are correct.
> 
> Cars I have changed to synthetic, specifically Mobil 1, seem to run smoother 
> and quieter after 2-3 oil changes.
> 
> The former S500 coupe was a good example of this. It had a mild lifter tick 
> at idle that was not due to leaking oiler tubes, as it often is in the M119 
> engine.  After a couple of changes with M1 the lifter tick disappeared, never 
> to be heard again.
> 
> Dan
> 
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>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 2:33 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> I am torn on tossing synth into the SDL.  When I used M1 in Gump, the first 
>> three changes did not seem to have much impact.  The fourth change (15k 
>> miles) everything was running much smoother and quieter.  Lots of the kruft 
>> that had taken up residence in the engine seemed to have been washed away by 
>> the M1.  Maybe I see if I get the same impact with this car.  But I am only 
>> going to be putting 1k on the clock annually.  Would be a huge waste of cash 
>> using M1 for that short a driving period.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:05 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would add to this that the 3K oil change is more important to a diesel 
>>> than a gas engine. When I changed my diesels at 3K, I felt good about 
>>> getting all the dirt and soot out of the engine. So, while it might be 
>>> marketing, it was worth it to me. And the engines are still going strong 
>>> after many years and many miles. 
>>> Best Wishes, 
>>> Roger 
>>> Roger Hale 
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>>> Monroe, Ga. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf paint

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I am dicking around with the dang paint on Polei.  

Rattle can John Deere Rustoleum has been given the 1500 then 2000 grit.  The 
doors are fresher paint then on the hood and trunk.  I wonder if I need to use 
rubbing compound to get an even finish as a base.  The spray gave tiger 
striping instead of a smooth coat.  Today I used Griot’s #1 polishing compound, 
but it was not able to give me a consistent base.  It did begin to give a bit 
of polish and shine.  On the El Cheapo Lowes rattle white the results were more 
promising.  Still tiger stripes, but the shine was beginning to show.  

I did the first coat of paint with an 800 grit.  Second was 1000, third (white) 
was 1500.   Greens were 800 initial wet sand, then 1500.  Final for both colors 
was 2000.  Three coats of green, the Good Lord only knows how many of the El 
Cheapo rattle whites I sprayed.  I think I had a dozen cans of finish el 
cheapo.  I used three rustoleum white base and primer in a can over the Rust 
Fix stuff and the grey primers.

Should I use a rubbing compound to give a consistent base for both colors?  I 
am not happy with the tiger striping.  A more professional spray application 
would have had a wider pattern that decreased the opportunity for striping 



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1986 SDL - Polei

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> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> Yesterday I went to our local Federal Auto Parts (sadly my local Car Quest 
> got bought by Advance which then took a profitable location and ran it out of 
> business) and got some 1000 and 1200 grit sandpaper. I went all over the 
> fender with the 1000 and then the 1200, then again with the 2000 I had 
> before. Got it all smooth, then hit it with polishing compound and finally 
> wax.
> It looks Okay.
> Actually it pretty well matches the rest of the car. I think with a buffer I 
> could probably polish it to be a 6 or 7 but not better. The clear coat I got 
> from Paintscratch.com isn't that great, it came out really thin so I had to 
> really load it on to keep it from orange peeling, I was unimpressed.
> As with most of my paint jobs one spot seems to have had light paint coverage 
> (on an edge naturally) that I didn't notice and burned through just slightly 
> when I color sanded. It appears to be well covered with clear so I'm not 
> worried about it. Another spot has a huge run but its in a corner and 
> shouldn't be too noticeable, I can't tell if thats in the color or the clear.
> In the end I should strip and repaint but I'm so tired of this I'm gonna just 
> slap it on, it'll be better than the garbage thats there now. I'll try to do 
> better on the other side but I need a better paint supplier.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 240D license

[clay via Mercedes]

I just purchased an 86 SDL and wanted it to have vintage plates.  Washington 
allows the use of period correct plates or you get the collector plates they 
issue.  Their plates are $65, to use your own vintage plate is $35.

That said, the DMV has jacked up all the fees to register your car.

I purchased the R107 and it was tagged as normal car.  Pay the 10% tax, get 
some more fees paid and it was on the road like a normal car.  I got some 
vintage plates and paid $35 at renewal one year and never have to pay or get 
inspected again.  That was a few years ago.

The w126 turned into a prison rape.  I had an affidavit from the seller 
(federal prosecutor) as to sales price.  When I went in to register that car, 
the dame at the counter disregarded the thing, decided the car was valued at 
the magnificent price the state deemed it to be, then charged me a full year as 
a standard car, with all fees that entailed, purchase of a new set of plates 
(which I did not need), and then the fees to use my own vintage plates, along 
with  tax on the actual price I paid.   That was around $200.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What a freaking ripoff.  I used to pay $16/Yr for a license plate for a 240D. 
>  Then in the 90s they doubled it to 32.  Now it is $51!   In some states,an 
> antique plate is one 50 to 75 fee then free after that .
> 
> What do your states charge for license for a 123 or other car over 25 years 
> old?  I am sure IL and NE states are worse.  I am sure our state looked at 
> what IL charges and upped the price to be closer to the biggest ripoff state 
> not on a coast, IL.
> 
> They have a antique plate, but it can only be used driving to or from a show, 
> so it is worthless unless you have a model T.  WI used to be really good for 
> "collector" plates, but the Madison commies ruined that.
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Re: [MBZ] A car for poos

[clay via Mercedes]

If the text is correct, then this would be an interesting car to own.  It would 
not be top of the line, but probably has good features.  Most of the 
biodegradable wire issues were dealt with.  It looks much like the 300SE my kid 
drives.  His car has a few failures,  this one should have no failures for the 
price he wants.  Value of these things is in the crapper, so the only way 
seller gets this amount, the car is near salesroom functional.

Standard failures would be vacuum pump in the rear seat.  Door close assist, 
trunk close, a few other things.  #1 boy got his car at PnP in pretty good 
shape with bad wire harness and crapped out trans for $1300.  Another $2k to 
fix the trans and he was on the road for the past three years.  Windows will 
fail, the wiper fluid tank gets wonky, Becker radio farts.  Black paint is 
single stage, so pretty easy to keep looking good.

clay

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm hoping this goes through.  The stuff I sent the other day was being 
> kicked back.  
> 
> I am very curious about this car.  I don't know the pros and cons of the 140. 
>  I would be interested in what Dan says about this car -- not for him, but 
> for me! 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] A car for poos
> 
> 
> 
> 1996 Mercedes-Benz S420 Sedan One Owner 43,000 actual miles 
> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5778183948.html
> 
> via cPro for Craigslist
> iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
> Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

[clay via Mercedes]

Brand new would run around $5k, a good rebuild is $2k, junk yard survivor is 
all of $250 before install.

clay

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On September 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> As long as the body doesn't rust out theres not all that great a reason to
>> ever get rid of a car. Say something big goes, like the transmission, you're
>> out maybe $2,000 for a junkyard replacement which will probably have fewer
>> miles than yours.
> 
> Where do junkyard transmissions cost $2000, New Jersey?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf paint

[clay via Mercedes]

The striping is fading as I polish.  Used the #2 polish and it is beginning to 
reflect a bit better as well as having the stripes become less noticeable.   I 
probably should have buffed it before polishing.  As I work on it, I become 
less interested in having it perfect and more inclined to let it have 
imperfections so that it has some age/character in keeping with its age.

clay


> On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:57 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tiger striping sounds like inconsistent coverage, probably you are too close 
> to the panel when you paint.
> Better quality rattle cans tend to cover better. I hate how most of them make 
> a round profile, you end up with too much paint around the edges and not 
> enough in the center. Better quality cans give a flat line profile, much 
> easier to work with. I prefer Krylon paint, its thinner and I feel like I 
> have better control.
> Practice, practice practice. One of the old guys that helped me learn said 
> you would know you were good when you could put a good coat of paint on a 
> piece of vertical glass...
> 
> -CurtNot there yet.
> 
>  From: clay 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf paint
> 
> I am dicking around with the dang paint on Polei.  
> Rattle can John Deere Rustoleum has been given the 1500 then 2000 grit.  The 
> doors are fresher paint then on the hood and trunk.  I wonder if I need to 
> use rubbing compound to get an even finish as a base.  The spray gave tiger 
> striping instead of a smooth coat.  Today I used Griot’s #1 polishing 
> compound, but it was not able to give me a consistent base.  It did begin to 
> give a bit of polish and shine.  On the El Cheapo Lowes rattle white the 
> results were more promising.  Still tiger stripes, but the shine was 
> beginning to show.  
> I did the first coat of paint with an 800 grit.  Second was 1000, third 
> (white) was 1500.   Greens were 800 initial wet sand, then 1500.  Final for 
> both colors was 2000.  Three coats of green, the Good Lord only knows how 
> many of the El Cheapo rattle whites I sprayed.  I think I had a dozen cans of 
> finish el cheapo.  I used three rustoleum white base and primer in a can over 
> the Rust Fix stuff and the grey primers.
> Should I use a rubbing compound to give a consistent base for both colors?  I 
> am not happy with the tiger striping.  A more professional spray application 
> would have had a wider pattern that decreased the opportunity for striping 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green1986 SDL - Polei
> retired models-1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> Yesterday I went to our local Federal Auto Parts (sadly my local Car Quest 
> got bought by Advance which then took a profitable location and ran it out of 
> business) and got some 1000 and 1200 grit sandpaper. I went all over the 
> fender with the 1000 and then the 1200, then again with the 2000 I had 
> before. Got it all smooth, then hit it with polishing compound and finally 
> wax.
> It looks Okay.
> Actually it pretty well matches the rest of the car. I think with a buffer I 
> could probably polish it to be a 6 or 7 but not better. The clear coat I got 
> from Paintscratch.com isn't that great, it came out really thin so I had to 
> really load it on to keep it from orange peeling, I was unimpressed.
> As with most of my paint jobs one spot seems to have had light paint coverage 
> (on an edge naturally) that I didn't notice and burned through just slightly 
> when I color sanded. It appears to be well covered with clear so I'm not 
> worried about it. Another spot has a huge run but its in a corner and 
> shouldn't be too noticeable, I can't tell if thats in the color or the clear.
> In the end I should strip and repaint but I'm so tired of this I'm gonna just 
> slap it on, it'll be better than the garbage thats there now. I'll try to do 
> better on the other side but I need a better paint supplier.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Should I?

[clay via Mercedes]

I paid that much for a busted R107 frame.You would be a fool to let this 
get away.  I am not sure where you would sell it, but bound to be a $500 sale 
at least

clay

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if I should snag this and resell it.  Based on the prices of 
> 190SLs these days it’s certainly got to be worth more than $100.
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/5792274052.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Chumpcar racing

[clay via Mercedes]

points the crew decides instead of dollar value of the purchase and sale of 
unused parts from LeMons.  Same safety gear that does not count against you.

SO, if you had a w124, you could LeMons race it if you got it for $500 and any 
fixes were paid with sale of seats and other spare parts.

Chump car seems to give the thing a value depending on all the special goodies 
that would have come standard which make it a better car than a Toyota.

clay

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder how this compares with LeMons?
> http://www.chumpcar.com/
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Re: [MBZ] 240D license

[clay via Mercedes]

had the form, filled out by the seller/attorney.  No-brain counter person took 
45 minutes to figure out how to proceed.  She redid the thing three times, 
called Oly, after her boss was confusing her.

clay



> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:09 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like State rape.  You did have this form:
> 
> http://www.dor.wa.gov/Docs/Forms/Misc/DeclarBuyerSllrRcValueUsedVehSold_E.pdf
> 
> did you not?  Else the State uses blue book value.  Every time they try
> that I shout "Sold!",
> and they look at me funny...
> 
> And how come I'm now paying weight fees on a standard sedan?
> License has just about doubled as a result.  What a shock.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bottom feeder SD

[clay via Mercedes]

I would love to have the driver side rear fender.  Wonder if UPS would deliver

clay

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm.  There was a 350SD at the Indie that provided the rear bumper for The
> White Whale, it was sans front fenders and hood.  The owner had those bits
> transplanted to her 126, and I think the remains of the 350SD are now for
> sale.  IIRC the odometer was only about 150k miles or so, but I suspect the
> engine died from the rod-bender disease...
> 
> Maybe we finish dismantling the 124 sedan this weekend, and free up space
> for Rich's new project
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5779557738.html
>> 
>> 
>> --
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Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

[clay via Mercedes]

Are the 722.3xx transmissions pretty much all the same thing?  If not, what 
makes them be not the same?  I thought there must be some magical change that 
makes one living in my SDL be not what could be used in the 92 300SE

clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Probably.  I have never seen a 5 speed MB.  A few are reported to exist in 
> the land of unicorns.   If it bolts up to a OM602, it should bolt up to a 
> OM603.  Probably Won't bolt up to a OM616.  If you have the whole donor car, 
> there may be enough parts there to make it work.  Maybe even enough to make 
> it work on a 123.
> 
> However, if you have enough money to trow at a problem, the problem can go 
> away one way or another.  I don't have that kind of  money.  See the CCF.
> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> September 23, 2016 at 10:49 AM
>> Could you potentially put the 5spd from a 190 into a 124 300D? That'd be a 
>> pretty fun car to drive.
>> -Curt
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[MBZ] Clay's Adventure for the First Weekend of Autumn

[clay via Mercedes]

In the morning I drove to the Griot's HQ store because they had the 2nd annual 
free Speed Shine fill up. Last year it was any size container. This year they 
got smart and limit it to 35 oz. My gallon jug got a quart.

THEN, I headed off to the PnP to see the 420SEL that was on the CL listing but 
not showing up on Row52.com. I found there were more than just that w126 to 
scrounge, and got a power antenna from a w201 to replace the busted shaft one 
that came on the car. (I later tested the busted shaft and the motor works, not 
sure what the deal with the W201 is).

I picked a few w124 window switch because maybe those were going to fit the 
SDL. Not knowing, I found the rear switch in the SDL are fatter post, so 
donated the thinner pin switch to the SEL when I snagged the rear switch from 
it. I was not sure if I needed front ambers, but, why not? Turned out mine had 
some paint mist. Will swap that out. The headlamp wipers on the SEL were toast, 
but those from a w124 were in better shape, and the same part number. Polei has 
euro lights, so maybe w140 wipers will be better?

I have some overspray from painting Polei that fell upon the wiper arms. The 
SEL donated those. When I got home, I did a 600 grit sand on both wiper sets 
and that seems to have had a great restorative massaging such that they now 
appear blacker and less filthy. Once I am done with the polish and buffing, the 
refreshed wipers will be mounted. I figure I can rehabilitate the originals 
later.

When I got Polei, she was claimed to have non-functional windows, thus the 
desire for fresher switches. There is a box of parts that came with the car, 
mostly removed bits the PO squirreled away trying to fix the window issue. The 
door panels are off on the driver side, probably in that box. With the panels 
missing, the liner is gone as well. The SEL had totally great liner with the 
foam at the top. Not going to pass that up! I had been trying to figure out 
what mil visquine I would need, but now I have liner for all four doors. I did 
not bother with the door speakers, as that would be too silly in a remuddled 
German Police vehicle. Also there are no speaker wires to the front doors.

I saw that there were wire connection blocks in the SEL, but could not remember 
seeing those on Polei. May as well grab those so I can properly wire the 
windows when I effectuate the window repair. AS it turned out, the driver door 
was missing its block, so I hooked that up when I got home. Passenger door has 
not been messed with and I found out that its window motor make glass go up and 
down just fine with the center switch. I had picked up a spare battery, not of 
a Group 49 sort, earlier in the year and it was living in my garage on the off 
chance I should need an extra battery down the road. While on the Griot's trip, 
I stopped at the closest Goodwill store and there was a battery clamp set with 
clips on the one end and rings on the other. Maybe 24 inches long, 6 gauge. 
When I was home once more, I drug that out to the car and hooked the leads to 
the window motor wires. Whachuh know? The motor makes the windows go up and 
down just fine. PO was under the impression that the wiring 
 from the switch to the window motor must have aged out and failed. Could be... 
I whipped out my handy multimeter and did a continuity test from the wire block 
to the switch plug in. Full continuity.. so therefore, the wiring is good! 
Plugged the switch in, turned the key and made the driver window go up and down!

I had made a mess of my trunk threshold with overmuch overspray. The SEL had 
its threshold removed and looking very clean and pretty. Into the wheel barrow 
with it. I got curious about the lower window trim on the doors. Wanted to see 
how it mounted. It came out fairly easy, so decided that I would add that to my 
collection. It had the standard oxidation from being on the car. While removing 
one trim bit the rubber flashing came off. Hmmm, maybe I can use that too 
because I could not remember if my stuff was as good. I did not bother with the 
thinner stuff around the door windows.

I had been buffing my R107 hubcaps as part of curb rash repair. I had not 
gotten to the white rouge wheel yet, so had the Emery and Tripoli wheels 
mounted. The oxidized trim was run through those wheels and then I changed over 
to the White Rouge and gave everything a really nice shine. The trim goes on 
once the polishing and wax is done on the paint.

I had to remove the side view mirrors to get to the trim. No use wasting them, 
as mine are sort of bunged up and need replaced anyway. I also grabbed the 
rearview mirror, since mine lost the ability to switch from day to night. I 
have yet to figure out just HOW IN THE HELL I get the mirror mounted again. 
There must be a magic spell or incantation to get it to insert. A rubber mallet 
and lots of strong language did not convince the mirror to go back from whence 
it came.

I was tempted to grab the interio

Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

[clay via Mercedes]

So far I am still not finding why one transmission in the 722.3xx family is any 
more gooder than the next.  #1 boy has a 722.3 in the 92 SE, and there was all 
manner of butt hurt about finding the ONE that was going to work in his car.  
Like it was made of mixed race/converted jewish foreskins.  I suspect the SDL 
and the OM603 300D use the same darn transmission.  Not sure the 260E of that 
era, or the 300E are any less the same.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Sep 26, 2016, at 6:07 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Your SDL transmission has a vacuum modulator on the side, which might be
> different for a gasser?  Maybe the gearing is different, or the stall
> rating of the torque converter?  I know that for some years, the gasser
> transmissions would launch in 2nd gear vice 1st?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:27 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Are the 722.3xx transmissions pretty much all the same thing?  If not,
>> what makes them be not the same?  I thought there must be some magical
>> change that makes one living in my SDL be not what could be used in the 92
>> 300SE
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clay's Adventure for the First Weekend of Autumn

[clay via Mercedes]

And I did not even consume and Energy Drink product!  Saturday was just rocking 
because I had to work Sunday and was not sure I would have a chance to play 
with the car.  Turned out I was able to, and then did more today.  It was in 
the mid 70’s, and will be about the same Tuesday.  Just getting my ducks in a 
row so that I can dump the car at a transmission shop to see why it seems to be 
slipping.



clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Sep 26, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's like a whole week's worth of Benzing
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 9/25/16 12:49 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> In the morning I drove to the Griot's HQ store because they had the 2nd 
>> annual free Speed Shine fill up. Last year it was any size container. This 
>> year they got smart and limit it to 35 oz. My gallon jug got a quart.
>> 
>> THEN, I headed off to the PnP to see the 420SEL that was on the CL listing 
>> but not showing up on Row52.com. I found there were more than just that w126 
>> to scrounge, and got a power antenna from a w201 to replace the busted shaft 
>> one that came on the car. (I later tested the busted shaft and the motor 
>> works, not sure what the deal with the W201 is).
>> 
>> I picked a few w124 window switch because maybe those were going to fit the 
>> SDL. Not knowing, I found the rear switch in the SDL are fatter post, so 
>> donated the thinner pin switch to the SEL when I snagged the rear switch 
>> from it. I was not sure if I needed front ambers, but, why not? Turned out 
>> mine had some paint mist. Will swap that out. The headlamp wipers on the SEL 
>> were toast, but those from a w124 were in better shape, and the same part 
>> number. Polei has euro lights, so maybe w140 wipers will be better?
>> 
>> I have some overspray from painting Polei that fell upon the wiper arms. The 
>> SEL donated those. When I got home, I did a 600 grit sand on both wiper sets 
>> and that seems to have had a great restorative massaging such that they now 
>> appear blacker and less filthy. Once I am done with the polish and buffing, 
>> the refreshed wipers will be mounted. I figure I can rehabilitate the 
>> originals later.
>> 
>> When I got Polei, she was claimed to have non-functional windows, thus the 
>> desire for fresher switches. There is a box of parts that came with the car, 
>> mostly removed bits the PO squirreled away trying to fix the window issue. 
>> The door panels are off on the driver side, probably in that box. With the 
>> panels missing, the liner is gone as well. The SEL had totally great liner 
>> with the foam at the top. Not going to pass that up! I had been trying to 
>> figure out what mil visquine I would need, but now I have liner for all four 
>> doors. I did not bother with the door speakers, as that would be too silly 
>> in a remuddled German Police vehicle. Also there are no speaker wires to the 
>> front doors.
>> 
>> I saw that there were wire connection blocks in the SEL, but could not 
>> remember seeing those on Polei. May as well grab those so I can properly 
>> wire the windows when I effectuate the window repair. AS it turned out, the 
>> driver door was missing its block, so I hooked that up when I got home. 
>> Passenger door has not been messed with and I found out that its window 
>> motor make glass go up and down just fine with the center switch. I had 
>> picked up a spare battery, not of a Group 49 sort, earlier in the year and 
>> it was living in my garage on the off chance I should need an extra battery 
>> down the road. While on the Griot's trip, I stopped at the closest Goodwill 
>> store and there was a battery clamp set with clips on the one end and rings 
>> on the other. Maybe 24 inches long, 6 gauge. When I was home once more, I 
>> drug that out to the car and hooked the leads to the window motor wires. 
>> Whachuh know? The motor makes the windows go up and down just fine. PO was 
>> under the impression that the wiring from the switch to the window motor 
>> must have aged out and failed. Could be... I whipped out my handy multimeter 
>> and did a continuity test from the wire block to the switch plug in. Full 
>> continuity.. so therefore, the wiring is good! Plugged the switch in, turned 
>> the key and made the driver window go up and down!
>

Re: [MBZ] Clay's Adventure for the First Weekend of Autumn

[clay via Mercedes]

My luck I destroy both the mirror and the windscreen

clay

> On Sep 26, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Inside rear-view mirror installation:  Get one side in place, put the butt
> of your rubber mallet handle against the other side, and give a swift
> upper-cut (with open hand) to the head of the mallet.  Don't miss or slip,
> you may crack the windshield.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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