Re: Windows Misery
[snip] PS Tell a Mac oldie - what exactly **are** resources in a Windows context, and why should one run out? After all, Windows has had some kind of virtual storage since it emerged from the slime, AFAIK. What other resources are we talking about? == I think this should help you understand Windows Resources and offer some ideas for tracking down the problem on ME. This is a simplifeied explanation. (I don't think you really care to have details on GDI, Kernel, and User and the associated memory details that relate to the Resources discussion.) What are Windows Resources? Think in general about the term resource. From Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary--Resource- a source of supply or support: an available means So, what do we have in Windows that are available means or a source of support? Think objects that the OS uses. Probably all of the following, and more, are System Resources: windows, icons, open files (including files that you saved, INI files, DLLs, etc. etc.) The Windows OS keeps track of resources by assigning a unique identification number as they are invoked (opened, loaded, whatever). It so happens that there are only a finite number of resource identifiers available--this is the main source of the problem with running out of resources; you probably are actually running out of identifiers. The resources are loaded into memory. So, as you try to use more and more resources, you will hit either a limit on the number of identifiers, or the limit on available memory that is needed to load resources. Now a days, virtual memory on disk USUALLY, but not always, prevents running out of RAM from being the limitation. When the use of a resource is completed, the memory it is using SHOULD be marked as free (released). Unfortunately, many programs do a poor job of releasing memory when finished with resources, so available resources go down. Sometimes a program gets in some type of a loop that requires loading some resource each pass through the loop, rapidly gobbling resource identifiers until they run out, usually resulting in either a system freeze or crash. This is where third-party programs often help by polling all of the RAM and releasing any that does not have an application using it anymore. Windows also does some smart manuevers; some apps call for some Windows components to be loaded when the app loads. When the app closes, it trys to release the resources it used, but Windows expects that the Windows components that were loaded by the app will be needed again, so it DOES NOT release them! I don't know if ME has the Resource Meter, but if yes, it can help identify where the resources are being allocated. I think with ME that you can run msconfig and get a list of running processes (that are using resources!) and the processes that auto start. the meter shows the following three: GDI Resources- relate to graphics related things like pictures and icons System Resources- relate to open disk files User Resources- relate to created windows Check the resources immediately after boot up, then again as the REV app is launched and run. If the resources are 50% right after boot up WAY too many things are getting auto loaded at boot up. If the resources take a big hit either immediately after launching the REV app or while it runs, then there is some routine in the app that either is eating up resources as it runs, or simply requires more resources than are available. Some other things that eat resources are eye candy like animated cursors and icons, and sound effects attached to objects. Happy hunting miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Unlock Screen Visual Effect Broken?
Scott Rossi writes: On 9/26/03 1:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MC 2.5 build number 1, Win2000 ... Worked as expected. with each click of bt2, fld1 text cycled between true and false with dissolve, and btn1 cycled between visible and invisible with dissolve. Do you have QT for Windows installed on this system? Regards, Scott Rossi No, QT is not installed. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Unlock Screen Visual Effect Broken?
Scott Rossi writes: Hey Folks: I was curious if anyone else can confirm that unlock screen + visual effects is broken on Windows MC2.5. I have two machines here on which I tried: on mouseUp lock screen if the vis of btn 1 then hide btn 1 else show btn 1 unlock screen with visual dissolve end mouseUp ...along with several other visual effects, and no effect is visible when the button is hidden/shown. The above works fine for me on MC2.4.2 Win and on MC2.5 Mac systems. ??? Thanks Regards, Scott Rossi ++ MC 2.5 build number 1, Win2000 I put btn1, btn2, and fld1 onto a card btn 2 script: on mouseUp lock screen put the vis of btn 1 into fld 1 if the vis of btn 1 then hide btn 1 else show btn 1 unlock screen with visual effect dissolve end mouseUp Worked as expected. with each click of bt2, fld1 text cycled between true and false with dissolve, and btn1 cycled between visible and invisible with dissolve. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC in RR
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto writes: [snip] At 5:57 AM -0700 8/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q1. Can I still use my MetaCard stacks in the RR GUI? Or do they have to be 'translated'? Or do I simply change the suffix? You can use them as-is. (To get the Open item in the File menu to see them on Windows/Unix, you do need to change the extension. That is rather misleading, unless you mean to say that one must actually rename the file, changing its extenstion form .mc to .rev. If so, this is not correct. Under Win XP Pro, do this: 1. Launch Rev 2. From the Toolbar, click Open or from the File menu select Open stack... or press Ctrl+o. The Open Stack dialog is displayed. 3. On this dialog, navigate to the drop-down-list box Files of type: and click the arrow. The list of file types is displayed. 4. From the list, select All files or Metacard. The dialog updates to enable display of the files of the type selected. 5. Have at it... miscdas On Mac you need to change the file type. Or hold down the Option/Alt key when choosing the Open item.) The file format's the same. ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC or Intel precision?
MisterX writes: Hi everyone, Is this megaproblem Windows only? put 2 ^ .5 = 1.414214 put pi = 3.14159265358979323846 put pi * 1 = 3.141593 --- ooops... put 0.0005 * 0.0005 = 0 Other than start writting out externals, is there a way to use Real math precision? Like PI! but avoiding put 10 * 0.001 * pi = 3141592.65359 which is as precise as it gets workaround... ;) thanks for any suggestions Xavier === Xavier, Did you try using the Format function to define the output format? Check the dictionary. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Getting the system profile
Klaus Major writes: [snip] http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/welcome.htm Click on Externals Collection There you can dl the old x-collection of Tuviah, where the win version will CD ROMs - get a list of currently available CD ROM drives and more, of course :-) Hope that helps. Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de === Klaus, The externals may not be reliable on win XP pro. When I queried for the CD-ROM, it returned ONLY E. But I have CD-ROM drives in both E: and F:, correctly found by System Information. Also, use this link to the externals http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/external.htm miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: CD update...
Shari writes: [snip] As for built-in MC compressors... better to put the file in a format that most are familiar with. Such as .sit, .hqx files. Especially if there is a chance they may want to actually upload the file somewhere. Here it is, already perfectly packaged :-) Shari C -- --Shareware Games for the Mac-- http://www.gypsyware.com == Your Macentricity is showing again. We Windows users barely or not-at-all recognize .SIT and .HQX miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Getting the system profile
Yates, Glen writes: msinfo32.exe /report output.txt Then it will create a text file 'output.txt' with the system info in it that you can then parse for the info you need. The only drawback is it takes a little while to run. You may be able to narrow it down to just the category you need, though. -Glen How would one narrow it down? like this: on mouseUp launch C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\MSInfo\MSInfo32.exe /report C:\Temp\cdrom.txt /categories +componentsMultimediaCDROM end mouseUp It only takes a couple of seconds, rather than the many seconds required to get the complete sysinfo. Now read and parse the file cdrom.txt that was placed in C:\Temp directory. (The file still contains some uneeded general system info, but the CD-ROM info is there.) miscdas -Glen ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Getting the system profile
Shari writes: [snip] As a workaround in the meantime, have you considered walking through the drive list looking for a specific file? That would at least let you know whether a specific CD is mounted. -- Richard Gaskin Tried it. But XP kills it. Instead of just passing it over if there is not, it spits up an error window. Bad. Shari C == You need to navigate deeper into the folders in the system Information. CD-ROM drive info, including: drive letter, if media is loaded, status, etc.,is here System Information\Components\Multimedia\CD-ROM miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Smaller than milliseconds?
Ken Ray writes: 1057853216369 1057853216.369436 OS X 10.2.6 on MDD G4 dual 1.25 GHz. Nyah-nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Test seem to indicate that I really get microseconds, yes, right down to the microsecond. (Some clever person can find out when we did the tests.) What wimpy OS are you using? ;-) You're right! It's OS-dependent. The wimpy OS was Windows XP; I checked it on my Mac (same config as yours) and I get the extra microseconds. Cool! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software = try this: put the long ticks into tTicks wait 1 tick put(the long ticks - tTicks) on WINXP pro, the result is in microtick resolution But, put the long seconds into tSecs wait 1 second put(the long seconds - tSecs) gives only millisecond resolution miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Getting the system profile
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shari writes: [snip] As a workaround in the meantime, have you considered walking through the drive list looking for a specific file? That would at least let you know whether a specific CD is mounted. -- Richard Gaskin Tried it. But XP kills it. Instead of just passing it over if there is not, it spits up an error window. Bad. Shari C == You need to navigate deeper into the folders in the system Information. CD-ROM drive info, including: drive letter, if media is loaded, status, etc.,is here System Information\Components\Multimedia\CD-ROM miscdas === BTW, WIN XP pro uses msinfo32.exe in place of winmsd.exe miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: setting the page size
Richard Gaskin writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Gaskin writes: [snip] Is the printPapersize read-only? If no, have I missed somewhere in both the MC and Rev docs where it's described as such? -- Richard Gaskin == Probably missed something... Rev1.1.1 Transcript dictionary entry printPaperSize property: The printPaperSize property specifies the dimensions of the paper used for printing. set the printPaperSize to paperWidth,paperHeight Ah, but it seems to only work until you call answer printer -- run this: on mouseup set the printPaperSize to 444,444 answer the printPaperSize answer printer answer the printPaperSize -- set the printPaperSize to 444,444 answer the printPaperSize end mouseup -- Richard Gaskin == Oh, so NOW you decided to give more information. Why didn't you include the above bit of script in the first post? I included another little change. After answer printer executed, I set the paper size in the printer dialog to A4. Then when answer the printPaperSizeexecuted, it displayed 595,841. Then running the button script again resulted in ONLY 595,841. So, it looks like after the answer printer is executed, whatever paper size is set in the printer now becomes the unchangeable-by-script value for the printPaperSize property. This qualifies as a bug in my book. If it is a feature, I would really like to hear the reasoning behind it. I also thought that perhaps by using open printing and close printing in various combinations with setting the printPaperSize property might reset things--no way. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: setting the page size
Richard Gaskin writes: [snip] Is the printPapersize read-only? If no, have I missed somewhere in both the MC and Rev docs where it's described as such? -- Richard Gaskin == Probably missed something... Rev1.1.1 Transcript dictionary entry printPaperSize property: The printPaperSize property specifies the dimensions of the paper used for printing. set the printPaperSize to paperWidth,paperHeight miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Grouping with lists in a script
[snip} I had the understanding that the list-option of the group command was an option to automate the tedious process to concatenate manually a huge number of crontols in the script editor. This is what the Metatalk Reference says: Syntax: group c where c stands for a list, explained by an if-statement: If a list of controls is supplied, those controls will be added to the new group. If list here would just mean the concatenated sequence of controls names or numbers in a script - explicitly written down one after the other -, this extra option would be meaningless. I tried to put the contatenated sequence of control names into a variable fieldlist by means of a repeat loop. Then, group fieldlist - both with an and-sequence as you suggested and a vertical order of controls as lines - only produced errors. The question remains, is there a special structure for the list-option or is the information of the MetaTalk Reference merely tautological, i.e. repeating in a fuzzy way what already had been stated? If the latter is the case then the sentence: If a list of controls is supplied, those controls will be added to the new group. would indeed be superfluous and misleading. Thanks and regards, Wilhelm I think the entry for this in the MetaTalk Reference needs to be updated to clarify the very issue you raised. Intuitvely, when I encounter the term list, I think of a group of items that have a common delimiter, enabling me to buld a list in a rather simple manner. My first go-'round with this was to try to prepare a string comprising the list of controls, trying different delimiters. Of course, that totally didn't work. I finally settled on the concatenation method demonstrated in the docs. (But I still don't like it.) miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Grouping with lists in a script
[snip] Wilhelm Sanke writes: On Sun, 09 Mar 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Intuitvely, when I encounter the term list, I think of a group of items that have a common delimiter, enabling me to buld a list in a rather simple manner. miscdas The whole thing boils down to the problem, that even a list - concatenated with and - does not work, if you generate it in a repeat-loop and put it in into a variable. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke = When I said ...to 'buld' a list in a rather simple manner, I was refering to methods such as your repeat loop. This was one of the ways I tried without success as well. The documentation needs explicit examples, such as yours, of what works AND of what doesn't work. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Standalone Builder mod
Ray Horsley writes: I'd love to see this but when I click your link I'm taken to a Yahoo page which asks me for a user name and password. How do I get to the Stand Alone Profile stack from there? Ray Horsley Developer, LinkIt! Software on 3/2/03 7:20 AM, RCS at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got tired of reconstructing my stand-alone builds, You can download it from my Yahoo 'Metacard' group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/metacard/files/standalone_builder.zip JR = RCS, Maybe you forgot that for one to access this file, one must: register with Yahoo, followed by registering for the specified group? I doubt that I am alone in feeling that that's a lot of bother for one file. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Determining drive types
Mr X writes: [snip] on Windows: the volumes Xavier -Original Message- How do you identify CD, floppy and hard drives on both Mac and Win systems? Lynn ___ On Win OS, the volumes doesn't quite do the whole job. It only gives a listing of all the available drives without specifying the type (floppy, CD, etc.) miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: custompropertysets
thierry Douez writes: | we can do this : | | set the customPropertySet of this stack to X | | to select or create a Set. | Then, how can I delete this X set ? | | ___ | Try this: | | set the customPropertySet of this stack to empty | | miscdas | Sorry, this doen't work. i guess just choosing the default customPropertySet. BTW, i'm with metacard 2.3 on Win 98. Regards, thierry ___ Sorry, pasted the wrong line. (Yes, this indeed selects the default Set. It is easy to overlook the fact that every object that can have custom properties set is created with a default Set with the name empty.) The following will delete ALL of the customPropertySets for the specified object set the customPropertySets of this stack to empty I never needed to delete only a single customPropertySet, but I suspect any Set could be set to empty by using array elements to reference them. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: ANN: New xTalk discussion list
[snip] Ken Ray writes: Sorry, Andu. I thought this was a list to talk about MetaCard. My mistake. Ken Well then, Ken, why continue this thread on the list? Why didn't you either move it off-list, or make a PRIVATE communication to Andu? miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: invisible files on Windows
{snip]
Richard Gaskin writes:
1. How does a Win user show the file by right-clicking on it if it's
invisible?
Richard Gaskin
Richard,
Think about the Karl's reply and your query, then maybe you'll choose to
retract your reply.
To display files that are hidden is no problemo:
1. Launch windows Explorer
2. From the Tools menu, select folder Options
The Folders Options dialog is displayed.
3. Select the View tab.
4. Under the Advanced Settings panel, select files and Folders.
5. From the displayed options, select Hidden files and folders.
6. From the displayed options, select Show hidden files and folders.
7. Click OK to invoke your selctions and the dialog closes.
Hidden files will now be displayed in the files listings.
miscdas
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Re: invisible files on Windows
[snip] Richard Gaskin writes: Any other tips for preventing the copying of QT media from a CD? It doesn't have to be capable of stopping an experienced hacker type, just enough to make it at least inconvenient or unobvious for the average user. Richard Gaskin If your app can launch the file based on referencing the complete name, then use some non-obvious naming convention. For example, xxx1.rgf xx24.rgf The average user will search the CD for QT files, not RGF files. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC 2.5 Script editor
Shari writes: [snip] What I'd really love is some sort of auto-complete for commands, properties, functions, etc.. Oooh, bad idea! As it is, I frequently have to delete on mouseUp/end mouseUps that get inserted into the middle of my handlers, presumably thru some key sequence. I'd hate to have to start deleting myriads of auto-inserted text. Shari, If you fear having to delete myriads of auto-inserted text, then you clearly don't understand how to use (keep or delete) typical auto-text entries! miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Time display
1. Actually, it is , The LOVE of idle is the root of all evil. It is the love of the object that is problematic, not the object itself. 2. The Help Index is a beautiful thing, sorely under used. Entering idle will get you the MetaTalk Reference stack that includes, The idle message is supported for backward compatibility. All new development should use delayed send commands insted of idle. miscdas Phil Davis writes: Actually that should be: Idle handlers are the devil's workshop. (maybe the old saying was only a US thing... ) :o) Phil On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 10:51 PM, Dominique wrote: Put an on idle handler in the card's script idle is the root of all evil... avoid it! -- Regards, (-8 Dominique ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Testing on multiple platforms
Shari writes: [snip] I have one OS. Some people have my OS, others do not. Unless you have 5 or 10 computers, you CANNOT test on all OS's. A Window's developer would need at least 4 to test on the various flavours of Windows. Minimum. A Mac developer would need at least 3. Minimum. A cross platform developer would need a minimum of 7 computers, if you own all the flavours that your program might run on. Shari C Shari, You need to make a distinction between computers and operating systems. You can have one computer that runs many flavors of Windows through different means. For example, Windows has dual-boot option, enabling installing of a variety of OSs on a single drive, and SELECTION of which OS to actually boot at startup. Another method is to have several hard drives in removable boxes, each drive a different OS. Then, simply swap drives as needed and boot up the required OS. Perhaps the Mac world has similar capabilities? So you see, a considerable amount of Mac/Windows cross-platform testing can be done on as little as only two computers--a Mac and a PC--not the 5 or 10 computers that you proclaim. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Testing on multiple platforms
Richard MacLemale writes: [snip] I don't think this is a black and white issue, like If you can't test I'd test under OS 9.2.2, OS X, and Windows 98. I think you can get away with OS 9, OS X, and Win 98 if you want to develop for Mac and Windows. Richard MacLemale Network Administrator J. W. Mitchell High School == You better add WIN XP to the list. It has a lot of quirks and inconsistencies compared to Win 98, ME, and 2000. For example, many system file locations (paths) are different, and many registry entries are under different (and unexpected) keys. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Hiliting text in Ask dialog
Under WIN98, the ask dialog works for me as described in the documentation. For example: ask What's your name with Type your name The reply is already highlited. When I begin to type, the reply is deleted and cursor begins at the first character. If I double-click a word in the reply, it is selected with highlighting. If I triple-click anywhere in the entry field, the entire reply is selected with highlighting. Maybe your OS is problematic. == Shari writes: Funny how everything I noticed during development, so did my testers... In an Ask dialog... - Can't highlight text to replace - Double-clicking in the beginning of the box doesn't highlight anything, but if I type, it replaces 1st word. This is using the standard Metacard Ask stack. My ask handlers are pretty straightforward. ask What's your name with Type your name ask What's your name with ask What's your name ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
MC Book-other ideas
1. Wouldn't this be a good use of a Wiki? Karl B., are you able to set up a Wiki rather than a website? 2. My resume includes Technical Writer; I would be willing to volunteer some editing skills. To get started, there needs to be a list of topics generated. The topics then sorted into relevant chapters. The topics then need to be sorted by some kind of priority for both position in the chapter and position in TIME for completion. Likewise, prioritizing the chapters. A group decision is needed for language; I assume it will be English, but which flavor? That's enough for now... miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Compiling for Windows
The launching of multiple instances of MS Office apps is dependent upon the version you are using. You must understand the difference between the single document interface (SDI) and multiple document interface (MDI). Word2000 is an SDI app with no support for MDI, but prior version were MDI. Excel2000 is also an SDI, but it supports MDI as well. So, the launching of multiple instances of an MS Office product depends upon whether or not it supports both SDI and MDI and the configuration. So, MS has indeed introduced unnecessary inconsitencies in the behviour of apps contained in the same suite. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Compiling for Windows
Ray Horsley writes: I've encountered two issues in making my Windows App. The first one is doing something about Window's propensity to open a second copy of my App if it's double-clicked again after a first copy is already running (instead of the Mac's more reasonable approach of bringing the first copy forward). Richard Gaskin suggested I simply write a file to the The Windows Task List will show the loaded applications (more technically, it contains a list of the registered processes). You can check the task list to find which programs are running. If more than one instance is running, each instance is listed. You can access the windows Task List through the application programming interface (API), that comprises essentially several DLLs. I believe the kernl32.DLL holds the task list. Sorry, but I've never used the API. I suspect Scott could provide a stack with the necessary hooks. A cool trick for hiding your app from the task list (thereby preventing the user from calling up the list, selecting your app and killing it) is to use the API to unregister your app, thereby switching off display in the task list. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
re: saving styled text?
eric engle wrote: 2) I would prefer to save the file not as an .html but as a .doc or at least .rtf I know that the html file can be read by current versiosn of word - but have you ever looked at what word does when it generates html files? Simple 15 k files have turned into 50-90 monstrosities (I am not joking) when exporting a doc from HTML to word. I am _hoping that the reverse is not true... but I could easily imagine M.$. bloating imported files (so they can later sell a proprietary debloating program). So this is why I would prefer to save as a .doc or .rtf rather than html. Eric, MicroShaft Word also creates highly bloated RTF files, so this may not be much better thatn the HTML solution. Try creating an RTF in another program, open it in Word, then save it. Then check the file size. This is a result of the RTF standard being so loosely defined that MS RTF is actually a superset of most other RTF definitions. However, MS includes some features that many other RTF generators lack, such as full paragraph justification. Therefore, beware of lost formatting when opening in another program an RTF file created in Word. Also, save the RTF file as an HTML file and compare the files sizes. miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MetaCard vs other Authoring Tools
Authorware is time-line based; MetaCard is Stack based. AW is $2700; MC is $1000 (but for many applications, the FreeStarterKit is all you need!) AW is not extensible; MC can be extended/modified to suit your preferences. As for other MM apps, there aren't too many cross-platform options. But if you are looking at Windoze OS, don't waste your time with Magenta or Illuminatus Opus. Ovation Studio has merit ($400, extensible, small engine, decent scripting language.) In any case, I suggest you download the trials of at lest 2 packages and give AT LEAST 2 weeks of dedicated efffort to testing each one before comitting. miscdas Karl N Jorgensen wrote: Can someone tell me the advantages of MetaCard vs other authoring tools like Authorware etc.?? ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
re: Background Color on Win XP - Undocumented Feature!
On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 11:23 AM, Ken Ray wrote: But apparently you've hit on an undocumented feature of MC - the ability to create a comma-delimited item list in a variable without having to use an ampersand for concatenation. See page 469 of Metacard User's Guide version 2.4 in the section on operators. Dar Scott == In MetaCard, just view the Help Stack: Help|Index search for: operators The Operators card is displayed. Scroll down to Order 6 (concatenation) (But why isn't concatenate in the Index?!?) I often wonder why users make so little use of the Help files included with applications... miscdas ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
