Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

[lists]

Sun, 22 May 2016 19:21:13 +1000 
>
> Using XHTML 1.0 Strict wouldn't be a bad idea, since this is supported

This is not so convincing proof, nor reasoning.  Any document type is
just as good as the other when the internals match the definition, as
long as the type is the intended one, and has majority of web browsers
supporting it as common denominator.  Lots of noise and little signal.

> on all modern browsers, and even Dillo and Lynx support it. At the
> moment the page triggers the browsers' "quirks" modes.
> Just some food for thought.

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

[Gilles Chehade]

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 07:34:19PM +1000, bytevolc...@safe-mail.net wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2016 03:50:51 +0300
> li...@wrant.com wrote:
> 
> > Interesting, the moment some other systems started swapping designs,
> > the moment their public knew they've sold out and commercialised in.
> 
> This is a good point; I have certainly noticed this on a lot of other
> sites and projects. As soon as they "upgrade" to "Web 2.0" (with all
> the image-buttons-for-links, rounded corners, low-contrast text,
> JavaScript galore, etc), it's easy to predict the fate of that project.
> 

aren't you guys even slightly tired of the bullshit ?

-- 
Gilles Chehade

https://www.poolp.org  @poolpOrg

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

[Reinhold Straub]

On 22.05.16 11:21, bytevolc...@safe-mail.net wrote:

On Sun, 22 May 2016 09:32:47 +0200
Reinhold Straub  wrote:




It doesn't seem like this change offers any merit whatsoever.


For narrow windows 'height="100%" width="100%"' scales the puffy image 
down. Scaling reduces the width of the second column, so text below the 
image reflows.


'style="max-height:199;max-width:599"' prevents unnecessary scaling on 
wide windows.



It could even be simplified:




This keeps the current behavior: for narrow windows, horizontal 
scrolling becomes necessary to read the text below the image.

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

[bytevolcano]

On Fri, 20 May 2016 03:50:51 +0300
li...@wrant.com wrote:

> Interesting, the moment some other systems started swapping designs,
> the moment their public knew they've sold out and commercialised in.

This is a good point; I have certainly noticed this on a lot of other
sites and projects. As soon as they "upgrade" to "Web 2.0" (with all
the image-buttons-for-links, rounded corners, low-contrast text,
JavaScript galore, etc), it's easy to predict the fate of that project.

> > For instance, AsiaBSDCon is listed 12 times. Maybe it would be a
> > better layout to group by that event.  
> 
> No, historic list it is, these things happen over time.  You want
> reorder, do it local after retrieval, think before posting please.

To add to that, they *are* grouped by event. AsiaBSDCon 2015 is not the
same as AsiaBSDCon 2012, for example. And the list is in chronological
order anyway, which is probably the best order for this kind of list.

> 
> > As I said, I'm no web dev--just a user of it for a long time.  
> 
> Other users exist, and they go back many years in time with the
> system.
> 

And on that note, there are over 7 billion people on this planet. You
can't please everyone. Change the website, and people will complain.
Keep the website the way it was before, people will complain.

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

[bytevolcano]

On Sun, 22 May 2016 09:32:47 +0200
Reinhold Straub  wrote:

> On 21.05.16 01:12, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> 
> > I think the site is fine.  Thanks for the table above.  I agree
> > there would be value in small tweaks to improve the view for narrow
> > displays.  
> 
> Wouldn't it suffice to replace
> 
>  alt="[OpenBSD 5.9]">
> 
> with
> 
>  style="max-height:199;max-width:599" alt="[OpenBSD 5.9]">

It doesn't seem like this change offers any merit whatsoever.
It could even be simplified:



Using XHTML 1.0 Strict wouldn't be a bad idea, since this is supported
on all modern browsers, and even Dillo and Lynx support it. At the
moment the page triggers the browsers' "quirks" modes.
Just some food for thought.

> 
> ?
> 
> And insert
> 
>  a {text-decoration:none} a:hover {text-decoration:underline} 
> 
> 
> to get a more pleasant appearance of the hyperlinks?
> 

Because that would confuse users; is conventional to have links as
underlined text all the time.

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

[Reinhold Straub]

On 21.05.16 01:12, Theo de Raadt wrote:


I think the site is fine.  Thanks for the table above.  I agree there
would be value in small tweaks to improve the view for narrow
displays.


Wouldn't it suffice to replace

alt="[OpenBSD 5.9]">


with

style="max-height:199;max-width:599" alt="[OpenBSD 5.9]">


?

And insert

 a {text-decoration:none} a:hover {text-decoration:underline} 



to get a more pleasant appearance of the hyperlinks?


Regards,
Reinhold Straub