Re: Mutt and BCC and Outlook/KMAIL

[Jan- Hendrik Palic]

On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 10:26:53AM +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote:

|On 2000-11-23 03:56:47 +, Jan- Hendrik Palic wrote:
|
|> My MTA is exim on potato, exim 3.12 and my mutt is a selfcompiled
|> mutt-1.2.5-4. Whats going wrong?
|
|Exim.
|
|   write_bcc
|   Type: boolean
|   Default: yes
|   
|   Controls whether mutt writes out the Bcc header when
|   preparing messages to be sent.  Exim users may wish to use
|   this.
| 
|Unset that option, and you're done.
|
|What actually happens is that exim strips the Bcc header for those
|messages going to the To and CC recipients, but leaves it in for Bcc
|recipients.  This  behaviour is consistent with the standards, but
|does not match the expectation most users have from software such as
|sendmail.

Hey... it works, thnx! But a stupid question one more time:

Why is this an option, I want to use. I don't like, when everybdy can see
the Bcc- Header?
Does this option make sense?

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Re: Mutt in an Eterm

[Ben Reser]

Add this to the keyboard section of the MAIN file for the theme you use for
mutt:

# F1 - F4 since xterm sends different codes for these mutt is looking for them
# instead of what Eterm sends by default.
keysym 0xFFBE "^[OP"
keysym 0xFFBF "^[OQ"
keysym 0xFFC0 "^[OR"
keysym 0xFFC1 "^[OS"

FYI this assumes Eterm-0.8.10, Eterm-0.9 uses different configuration files.

On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 03:48:52PM +0100, Kai Weber wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am using Mutt in an Eterm. There is some bad behaviour, I guess it's
> coming from Eterm, with the function keys F1-F5. Pressing F1 in Eterm
> does not show the Manual: the key is not defined.
> 
> Xterm : ^[OQ
> Eterm : ^[[11~
> 
> $ echo $TERM
> xterm
> 
> Keys F6-F12 are working normal. Anything I can do (besides changing to
> rxvt or something else)?
> 
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Re: mutt New Mail Notifications.

[Adrian Chung]

On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 07:44:44PM -0500, Greg Whitlock wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 01:45:10AM +0200, Mikko Hänninen wrote:
> # 
> # This issue has come up before, and I have some vague memories about a
> # patch that would set the file access time to 1 second before the file
> # modification time when an mbox folder was exited, if it contained new
> # mails.  But I'm not sure if that's just me imagining things, or not.
> 
> For what it's worth, (ie, I'm not sure if this would solve his problem)
> I build mutt with the "--enable-buffy-size" option.  This has mutt check
> the file size of the folder instead of the access time of the folder.
> This provides me with a reliable indication of when the folder has
> new mail.

Hmm, this sounds like it might work, as long as it works with
Maildir's as well as standard mbox format folders.

I'll give it a shot.

I figured out today that the new mail notification only works reliably
if I get new mail in a folder which contains no mail (that's still
flagged as N anyways).

Thanks...

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Mutt in an Eterm

[Kai Weber]

Hi,

I am using Mutt in an Eterm. There is some bad behaviour, I guess it's
coming from Eterm, with the function keys F1-F5. Pressing F1 in Eterm
does not show the Manual: the key is not defined.

Xterm : ^[OQ
Eterm : ^[[11~

$ echo $TERM
xterm

Keys F6-F12 are working normal. Anything I can do (besides changing to
rxvt or something else)?

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Re: GPG Support

[Nils Vogels]

Hi Thorsten Haude !

On Thu 23 Nov 2000 (15:28), you muttered on the list:

> Hi list,
> 
> I use gpg (GnuPG) 1.0.1e-SuSE to encrypt my mail. One of the commands
> configured in my pgp.rc is
> #set pgp_getkeys_command="gpg --no-secmem-warning --no-verbose \
> --batch --with-colons --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys %r"
> which does not work. The output is not fully visible, but I think it says

Remove the hash ("#") in front of the line. A hash means "start of remark" sop
your line is being treated as a remark, not a setting.

Grtz,

Nils.

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Re: Mutt and BCC and Outlook/KMAIL

[Jan- Hendrik Palic]

On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 07:26:13PM +1100, raf wrote:

Hi

[... Bcc-field was shown in Outlook an KMAIL... ]

|sorry about that. i was being stupid.
|do the intended bcc recipients receive the mail?

yes, they did and they're able to read the Bcc-field

|if not, then it's not being recognised as a header.
|maybe there's a blank line before it or the line
|endings are "wrong"?

...


|i'd suggest bcc'ing a message to yourself. if you
|receive the message, save it to a file and examine
|the file using od or xxd or something to look for anything
|wierd. what editor do you use to compose the messages?
|do you have edit_hdrs set in your .muttrc?

my editor is joe (new one from potato) and my own headers in muttrc:
.
.
.
my_hdr Internet: http://www.billgotchy.de
my_hdr pgp-key: http://www.billgotchy.de/bin/m.asc
my_hdr OS: Linux Debian 2.2r0 - potato
my_hdr Private-Debian-Site: http://www.linux-debian.de
.
.
.

|mutt wouldn't even be sending the bcc header to exim
|if it recognised it as a bcc header. sendmail does
|have an option to read the headers in a message given
|to it, work out the recipients from the headers and
|then send everything except the bcc header but mutt
|doesn't rely on that because sendmail isn't the
|only mta so exim can't be the problem.

I hope so... I'm pleased, that the system is pretty running!

So long...

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GPG Support

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi list,

I use gpg (GnuPG) 1.0.1e-SuSE to encrypt my mail. One of the commands
configured in my pgp.rc is
#set pgp_getkeys_command="gpg --no-secmem-warning --no-verbose \
--batch --with-colons --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys %r"
which does not work. The output is not fully visible, but I think it says
that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a valid ID.
Now, I expected %r to be the key ID (lots of hex digits) and gpg to accept
mail adresses ('<%r>' resulted in "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is not a valid ID").
Neither seem to work.
What's wrong?

Thorsten

Re: What's the 'from'-variable up to?

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

>didnt notice Thorsten Haude's incorrectly set mail-followup-to header
So didn't I. How can I fix it?

Thorsten

Re: What's the 'from'-variable up to?

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Apologies for cc'ing Mike Elkins on the last post - didnt notice Thorsten
Haude's incorrectly set mail-followup-to header, which included M.E :(

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Re: What's the 'from'-variable up to?

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Thorsten Haude proclaimed on mutt-users that: 

> Didn't test that. I may need it for my alias mungling. How do you
> handle different aliases (eg. for mailing lists)?
 
 Take a look at part of my .muttrc (used with set envelope_from)

folder-hook . set sort=threads
folder-hook . set signature=/tmp/sig.mallet
folder-hook . 'set attribution = "Using a large mallet, %n whacked out:"'
folder-hook . my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
folder-hook . my_hdr Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
folder-hook . my_hdr Organization: The Lumber Cartel, India (tinlcI)

folder-hook mutt set sort=threads
folder-hook mutt set signature=/tmp/sig.mallet
folder-hook mutt 'set attribution="%n proclaimed on mutt-users that: "'
folder-hook mutt my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
folder-hook mutt my_hdr Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
folder-hook mutt my_hdr Organization: The Lumber Cartel, India (tinlcI)

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Re: Mutt and BCC and Outlook/KMAIL

[Thomas Roessler]

On 2000-11-23 03:56:47 +, Jan- Hendrik Palic wrote:

> My MTA is exim on potato, exim 3.12 and my mutt is a selfcompiled
> mutt-1.2.5-4. Whats going wrong?

Exim.

   write_bcc
   Type: boolean
   Default: yes
   
   Controls whether mutt writes out the Bcc header when
   preparing messages to be sent.  Exim users may wish to use
   this.
  
Unset that option, and you're done.

What actually happens is that exim strips the Bcc header for those
messages going to the To and CC recipients, but leaves it in for Bcc
recipients.  This  behaviour is consistent with the standards, but
does not match the expectation most users have from software such as
sendmail.

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Re: command line

[Peter Pentchev]

On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 03:29:14PM +0800, Steve Marcionni wrote:
> I need to be able to send a mail message from the command line which allows
> me to attach a file. Can this be done without having the mail screen appear
> and making me select y to send the message ???

Yes, compose your message in a separate file, then use:

mutt -a attachment.file user@domain < message.file

If you want to *only* send an attachment with an empty message body..

mutt -a attachment.file user@domain < /dev/null

I've just tested both of these with mutt-1.2.5i and they seem to work.

Hope that helps.

G'luck,
Peter

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Re: Mutt support

[Thorsten Haude]

Moin,

On 00-11-22, Steve wrote:
>if not does anyone know of a text based email client that will work with
>windows? that also supports POP and POP3. 
Sort of. It's intended for discussion networks, but very powerful:
Crosspoint

It's probably too big for a few mails.

Thorsten

Re: command line

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 03:29:14PM +0800, Steve Marcionni wrote:
> I need to be able to send a mail message from the command line which allows
> me to attach a file. Can this be done without having the mail screen appear
> and making me select y to send the message ???

mutt -a file recipient < /dev/null

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Re: Mutt support

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 03:15:39PM -0400, Steve wrote:
> Can Mutt work on a Windows based system ?
> if not does anyone know of a text based email client that will work with
> windows? that also supports POP and POP3. 

http://www.gnt.net/~n5ial/mutt/building_mutt_on_win.html

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Re: Mutt support

[Chris Green]

On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 03:15:39PM -0400, Steve wrote:
> Can Mutt work on a Windows based system ?
> if not does anyone know of a text based email client that will work with
> windows? that also supports POP and POP3. 
> 
There's Pine, I think you can still get a DOS version of that which
would presumably run in a DOS window.  I think 'PC Pine' is now a
windows GUI program though.

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command line

[Steve Marcionni]

I need to be able to send a mail message from the command line which allows
me to attach a file. Can this be done without having the mail screen appear
and making me select y to send the message ???


thanking you in advance


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[rfc] fork()ing off mutt's compose feature?

[john slee]

hi,

(please cc replies to me, as i could not handle yet another busy list ;)

i've been using mutt for a while now. one thing that's always bugged me
(well, pretty much the only thing, now that i know about mime_forward),
is that there's no way that i can find to have a "compose" window as a
kind of separate entity such that i can refer to other messages *while
composing my message*.

i could start another mutt session, but -R only seems to apply the
readonly flag to the first mailbox i look at.  it also feels like i am
approaching the problem in hand (seeing other messages while composing)
from entirely the wrong angle.

think outlook (yak) or netscape mail, (ugh) but sane :-)

a more detailed description of what i'm thinking:
-

you go to compose a message.  you enter the relevant details. 
mutt somehow decides (say, if $DISPLAY is set) if it can spawn another
terminal somehow.  if so, it forks off whatever command is necessary
(Eterm -e vim /tmp/mutt-blah) and goes back to normal mutt operation.

when mutt detects the child exiting (via sigchld or something), it
brings you back to the appropriate screen whereupon you can decide to
send the message, postpone it, abort it, or whatever.

people who don't want to ever use anything like this could just turn it
off of course (or not compile it into their mutt binary, or ...)

another way you could look at it is to break off the entire 'compose'
function of mutt into a separate program that gets called when you hit
your (compose|reply|forward) key.

comments?

j.

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Re: What's the 'from'-variable up to?

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

On 00-11-20, Michael Elkins wrote:
>> So I ask myself, what's 'from' all about?
>`from' sets the default From: line in the mail header.  The sendmail -f
>option sents the envelope return address (what normally goes in the From
>line of mbox format mailboxes).
OK I tested this. There's no difference between
set realname="Thorsten Haude"
set [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and
set from="Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

and no difference between
set envelope_from
and
folder-hook . 'set sendmail="/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi -f \
[EMAIL PROTECTED]"' 

While that does probably not surprise you, I'm glad to be sure.

>I'm not sure setting $from didn't work for you.
Well, I didn't use $envelope_from, because I thought $from would suffice.

>Does my_hdr also not work?
Didn't test that. I may need it for my alias mungling. How do you
handle different aliases (eg. for mailing lists)?

The list-reply didn't worl for this message? Is that because you used
[EMAIL PROTECTED], which is not in my $lists?

>me
I would suffer from shizophrenia in minutes.

Thorsten

Mutt support

[Steve]

Can Mutt work on a Windows based system ?
if not does anyone know of a text based email client that will work with
windows? that also supports POP and POP3. 



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Re: Mutt and BCC and Outlook/KMAIL

[raf]

Jan- Hendrik Palic wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 02:04:30PM +1100, raf wrote:
> 
> |> I got a problem and I don't know, where the problem is.
> |> 
> |> I sent yesterday a mail with several adresses in BCC- field. A friend, using
> |> Outlook on Windows ME (I thing Outlook 5.5) is able to see the adresses,
> |> which stand in BCC- fiel. An other friend can see them by using KMAIL on KDE
> |> 2.0.
> |> 
> |> My MTA is exim on potato, exim 3.12 and my mutt is a selfcompiled
> |> mutt-1.2.5-4. Whats going wrong?
> |
> |shouldn't that be the "Bcc" field (i.e. without the "-")?
> 
> Yes, youre right, but thats not the problem, why are they shown in several
> mua's...? What in my configuration is going wrong?

sorry about that. i was being stupid.
do the intended bcc recipients receive the mail?
if not, then it's not being recognised as a header.
maybe there's a blank line before it or the line
endings are "wrong"?

i'd suggest bcc'ing a message to yourself. if you
receive the message, save it to a file and examine
the file using od or xxd or something to look for anything
wierd. what editor do you use to compose the messages?
do you have edit_hdrs set in your .muttrc?

mutt wouldn't even be sending the bcc header to exim
if it recognised it as a bcc header. sendmail does
have an option to read the headers in a message given
to it, work out the recipients from the headers and
then send everything except the bcc header but mutt
doesn't rely on that because sendmail isn't the
only mta so exim can't be the problem.

raf