Re: newbie question on binding
* On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Rich wrote: I have tried actually binding the keys while i am in mutt with the command :bind pager backspace previous-line Try :bind pager BackSpace previous-line -- John
Re: bouncing w/ mutt-1.3.28i
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 12:17:28PM -0500, Aaron Schrab wrote: At 13:30 +0200 11 Jul 2002, Dominik Vogt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 01:54:33PM -0500, Aaron Schrab wrote: Not that I recall. It's always pretty much just resubmitted the message as is, but with new envelope recipients. Shouldn't it add a Resend-To: header? It does, along with various other Resent- headers. My main point was that the bounce command hasn't really changed, and that (for the most part) it doesn't alter the message. Hm, I have a report from someone who receives these messages that *sometimes* there is no Resent-To: header. He claims that happens about 5 times per year with my mails (he notices only when his mail filter doesn't sort the mail into the mailing list folder). Given that I bouce about three to five mails per months, this happens quite rarely. I haven't seen the headers of such a mail, though. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt, mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], phone: 0721/91374-382 Schlund + Partner AG, Erbprinzenstr. 4-12, D-76133 Karlsruhe
Re: Mutt 1.3.28 internal pager, Screen 3.09.11: right-padded spaces
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 07:14:38PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Thomas Dickey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [my infocmp output snipped] ...and no bce. Recent versions of screen allow you to set bce in its configuration, but you have to install a terminfo entry for screen which adds 'bce', so it will work properly. I fear we might be trying to solve the wrong problem, here. You see, I've only had defbce on in /etc/screenrc and the aforementioned ~/.terminfo/s/screen entry (symlinked to /usr/share/terminfo/s/screen-bce ) to inform screen that the terminal supports BCE for _two days_, and the symptom appeared a year or so ago. but your listing from infocmp didn't show that. Ordinarily, I'm very careful not to introduce more variables into a diagnostic situation: I chanced enabling Background Color Erase support two days ago only because I kept careful track of those steps, so I could reverse them. Which I've just done: I commented out defbce on in /etc/screenrc, removed ~/.terminfo/ , terminated screen, and restarted it. Running infocmp again (under screen), one now sees: the same as before: the 'screen' terminfo which has no 'bce' capability. :r! infocmp # Reconstructed via infocmp from file: /etc/terminfo/s/screen screen|VT 100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal, am, km, mir, msgr, xenl, -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: newbie question on binding
On Fri,Jul12,2002at01:10:33AM-0700, John Iverson wrote: Try :bind pager BackSpace previous-line -- John Tried that. Still gives the error Key is not bound. I can bind just about any other key. I was just wondering why the default doesnt work. I am running this in xterm. I have tried all the various terminals i have on my system and none seem to work. It used to work many months ago. Its not really a big deal. I just got used to using it before and still find myself in the habit of trying to use it. -- rich
Re: Mutt users ml downloadable archives
Alain -- ...and then Alain Bench said... % % Hello David, Hi! Sorry I fell out of the world for a while; we're settling in back at home and, in that strange twist that always happens, I have *less* time for anything on the computer when I *don't* have a job. Somebody land me a gig so I can read mutt-users again! ;-) % % On Friday, July 5, 2002 at 10:05:21 AM -0500, David Thorburn-Gundlach wrote: % ... % I can [...] heartily endorse yahoo2mbox.pl from % http://freshmeat.net/projects/yahoo2mbox/ (thanks again, Adam!). % % Thanks for the suggestion, it works surprisingly well. Version 0.07 Yeah; it did. It certainly got me going. Well, DGC's very kind contribution would have been even better, but I didn't think to ask the list about it because I knew I had seen the link that Adam posted, so I just went and got the posts that way. % even has an addresses unmunging function, taking models in a normal I noticed that, and thought about playing with it, but ended up not bothering. % existing mailbox. It unmunges only email addresses, not Message-IDs or % other @.\.\.\. strings. The only problem I have is with the From_ Yeah, I know; I had to muck about with threads (Thanks, Cedric! :-) to get things lined up properly. It was only worth it to me for mutt-users but the script worked for about five mailing lists for me :-) % separator line: It's format is not recognised by Mutt. How have you % solved this? It's with the full name, like that: % % | From Michael Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jul 31 00:32:50 1998 Nah; I just ate it. The script generated valid From_ lines for me (probably since I didn't try unmunging) which got me the posts in my mailbox and let me thread them happily, and that was good enough for my needs. % | % % % Bye! Alain. HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg29568/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie question on binding
On 06:12 12 Jul 2002, Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri,Jul12,2002at01:10:33AM-0700, John Iverson wrote: | Try :bind pager BackSpace previous-line | Tried that. Still gives the error Key is not bound. I can bind just about | any other key. I was just wondering why the default doesnt work. I am | running this in xterm. I have tried all the various terminals i have on | my system and none seem to work. It used to work many months ago. Its | not really a big deal. I just got used to using it before and still find | myself in the habit of trying to use it. Might want to check your backspace is actually sending ^H and not ^?. Type: ^Vbackspace That's control-V and then the backspace key. What does it show? -- Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ IE 5.0 introduces nothing but a bunch of DHTML extensions you'd never stoop to using, and yet more parochial Microsoft dialects (Want to view pages without annoying browser buttons? Just change all your .html files to .hma! Will they never learn?) - NTKnow, 16jun98, http://www.ntk.net/
Re: Mutt users ml downloadable archives
Hi, all -- ...and then Alain Bench said... % % On Tuesday, July 9, 2002 at 4:10:21 PM -0500, David Champion wrote: % % http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt-users-199919-200207.mbox.bz2 ... % Anybody has cheap unlimited space to store such an archive % permanently? I think it's very interesting for newcomers, at least as % much as online searchable archives. And BTW, what before 1999? And % mutt-dev? While it isn't unlimited, I can certainly host archives of mutt-users and mutt-dev if there's enough call for them; I was considering that when I first set up mutt.JPO but never got around to it. If anyone wants to contribute starter archives, I'll take them and subscribe an account on my box to continue them; I'd love to see contributions from wherever pulled into one great collection that goes back to the beginning of the list(s), but I don't have the time to run with that. Already broken into monthly chunks would be convenient :-) but isn't necessary; I can get to that part later while in the meantime having procmail split them for me from this point forward. I won't subscribe and archive accounts, though, until we see that there really is interest and someone provides the seed (perhaps just DGC's monthly chunks, but they'd have to be put up again). % % % Thanks again, bye!Alain. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg29570/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Home/End mapping on Sun keyboard
The mutt documentation says that the 'home' and 'end' keys on the keyboard should make you jump to the beginning and the end of a message while reading it. On Solaris 8 running on sparc (with a standard sun keyboard) I get the Key is not bound message. Anyone knows how to add this binding to my config? Thanks. -- Charles Gagnon | My views are my views and they http://unixrealm.com | do not represent those of anybody [EMAIL PROTECTED] | but me. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. -- Mark Twain
Re: newbie question on binding
On Fri,Jul12,2002at10:04:45PM+1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: Might want to check your backspace is actually sending ^H and not ^?. Type: ^Vbackspace That's control-V and then the backspace key. What does it show? -- Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ It sends the ^?. -- rich
Re: set realname with folder-hook?
Mark Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: I'm trying set realname using a folder-hook. Tried this: folder-hook . set realname=Mark Johnson folder-hook in-mutt set realname=Mark and variants, but can't seem to get it working. Use my_hdr From: HTH, Michael -- It's God. No, not Richard Stallman, or Linus Torvalds, but God. (By Matt Welsh) PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: Home/End mapping on Sun keyboard
* On 2002.07.12, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], * Charles Gagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mutt documentation says that the 'home' and 'end' keys on the keyboard should make you jump to the beginning and the end of a message while reading it. On Solaris 8 running on sparc (with a standard sun keyboard) I get the Key is not bound message. You might try bind pager escOH top bind pager escOF bottom Sun's home/end don't send typical PC codes, they send escaped macro values instead. ... But ideally, your curses library will take care of this. You might be encountering the problem where ESC causes subsequent keystrokes to be ignored until some time has elapsed -- it's been 1 full second for me, and because of it the bindings above won't work, either. Are you using slang or ncurses? -- -D.Fresh fruit enriches everyone. Takes the thirst ENSA, NSIT out of everyday time. A pure whiff of oxygen, University of Chicago painting over a monochrome world in primary colors. [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know that. It's why everyone loves fruit.
Re: Home/End mapping on Sun keyboard
I get the Key is not bound message on my Linux PC, too. Where did you see the reference in the documentation? There may be a more significant problem, though. On the PC, both keys actually send something to the terminal window (Home key sends ESC[1~; End key sends ESC[4~). On my Sun, pressing the keys sends an event that X recognizes but no characters to the terminal window at all, so there's no way a terminal program like mutt can do anything with them. You could use xmodmap to modify the bindings on those keys to something that a terminal program can detect, but then they would stop working properly in GUI applications. On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 08:02:18AM -0400, Charles Gagnon wrote: The mutt documentation says that the 'home' and 'end' keys on the keyboard should make you jump to the beginning and the end of a message while reading it. On Solaris 8 running on sparc (with a standard sun keyboard) I get the Key is not bound message. Anyone knows how to add this binding to my config? Thanks. -- Charles Gagnon | My views are my views and they http://unixrealm.com | do not represent those of anybody [EMAIL PROTECTED] | but me. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. -- Mark Twain -- Mark REED| CNN Internet Technology 1 CNN Center Rm SW0831G | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlanta, GA 30348 USA | +1 404 827 4754 -- If you can't get your work done in the first 24 hours, work nights.
Re: Home/End mapping on Sun keyboard
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 10:10:37AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: I get the Key is not bound message on my Linux PC, too. Where did you see the reference in the documentation? There may be a more significant problem, though. On the PC, both keys actually send something to the terminal window (Home key sends ESC[1~; End key sends ESC[4~). On my Sun, pressing the keys sends an event that X recognizes but no characters to the terminal window at all, so there's no way a terminal program like mutt can do anything with them. generally that's done in the system-level app-defaults file for xterm (though I recall this in the context of pageup/pagedown, which Sun prefers to map to the scrollbars). In that case, it's possible to override it by tweaking your .Xdefaults file. You could use xmodmap to modify the bindings on those keys to something that a terminal program can detect, but then they would stop working properly in GUI applications. ;-) however, since he's getting key-not-bound, none of this applies... -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Home/End mapping on Sun keyboard
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 10:10:37AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: I get the Key is not bound message on my Linux PC, too. Where did you see the reference in the documentation? If you hit '?' while reading a message: Hometop jump to the top of the message [...] End bottom jump to the bottom of the message I ended up adding my own mappings on other keys: bind pager = top bind pager * bottom It goes well with index mappings. -- Charles Gagnon | My views are my views and they http://unixrealm.com | do not represent those of anybody [EMAIL PROTECTED] | but me. It is easier to apologize than to get permission. -- Grace Hopper
Re: Home/End mapping on Sun keyboard
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 10:22:42AM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote: however, since he's getting key-not-bound, none of this applies... Well, now, that's a very good point. Duh. -- Mark REED| CNN Internet Technology 1 CNN Center Rm SW0831G | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlanta, GA 30348 USA | +1 404 827 4754 -- Democracy is a process by which the people are free to choose the man who will get the blame. -- Laurence J. Peter
Setting From: with send-hook, was Re: quoting doesn't work in send-hook command
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:16:26 -0700, Gary Johnson wrote: Use my_hdr From: instead of setting from, like this: send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'my_hdr From: David Benfell [EMAIL PROTECTED]' I think the quoting shown is sufficient, but I'm not sure. This appears to work. Thanks! -- David Benfell, LCP [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/resume.html msg29579/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: generating .muttrc
On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:52:56AM -0700, Martin Siegert wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:03:04AM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote: * Martin Siegert [02-07-10 08:34:56 +0200] wrote: [...] I wouldn't replace it. I would let the users choose their MUA. This is undesirable: pine is a nightmare to maintain (hard-coded paths, etc.) and, more importantly, a reoccuring security problem. We have to get rid of elm, because we want to get rid of NFS exported mail spools. Thus, we want to switch to pop/imap exclusively. Without those reasons I wouln't even consider switching to mutt with all its undesirable consequences (i.e., faculty members complaining about not being able to use their favorite email reader). I can't open my favorite security flaw anymore! What happened? [...] Yes, I know. The problem starts when a user decides that (s)he does not like the settings I choose in Muttrc. What's (s)he? Couldn't find it in my dictionary. [...] Not that important. The options menu should only contain the most basic settings. The expert can edit ~/.muttrc. This would especially be bloat if it was integrated within mutt. :o) External programs should do this. Thus, the question is: has anybody expanded mutt to include something like an option menu that can be called from within mutt? Not that I know. I am right now considering using something like the muttrc builder (http://mutt.netliberte.org/) running under lynx. I could bind the whole thing to some key in mutt. I was hoping that somebody had done something like that already. (I guess this is kind of contradictory: using a web browser to configure a command line email reader that users use because they do not want to use a web browser for email). Nevertheless that's a nice idea. But I'm afraid using configuration files off the net without checking is a security risk. The users and useresses should really first check the generated config file before using it! Or you should use secure connections to trusted institutions to generate them. Raoul
Re: newbie question on binding
* Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-12 12:11]: On Fri,Jul12,2002at10:04:45PM+1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: Might want to check your backspace is actually sending ^H and not ^?. Type: ^Vbackspace That's control-V and then the backspace key. What does it show? It sends the ^?. that's the delete character - not the backspace one. PS: please delete the signature in answers - thankyou. Sven
Re: Mutt 1.3.28 internal pager, Screen 3.09.11: right-padded spaces
Quoting Thomas Dickey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): the same as before: the 'screen' terminfo which has no 'bce' capability. So, a couple of things about that, if you don't mind: 1. Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining the relevance. _Is_ Background Color Erase support in one's terminfo setup essential for screen to correctly support X11 copy/paste (without getting spurious right-padded spaces? Is this a known requirement and a known failure mode in its absence? Please note that I've tried to research this in the docs for both screen and mutt, and not found anything. Is this documented somewhere, and I just missed it? 2. If so, why did all this use to work on default Debian (circa 2.2 release) setups, and then suddenly cease to work upon upgrading _mutt_, at some point? Please note that I changed no terminal settings, during that period. I've been using mutt under screen for many years, and all I did was incrementally upgrade both precompiled Debian packages using apt-get. 3. Three days ago, when I attempted to enable BCE on someone else's advice, you may recall that I created ~/.terminfo/s/screen as a symlink pointing to /usr/share/terminfo/s/screen-bce . On Debian, the latter is itself a symlink to /etc/terminfo/s/screen-bce, a compiled terminfo entry. Running strings on that binary yields the following header: screen-bce|VT 100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal with bce So, are you saying this terminfo entry purports to include BCE support but is mistaken? Or that terminfo is otherwise defective? Or that terminfo BCE support is there but screen is failing to use it, or what? I'm asking not to be argumentative, but rather because I'm truly stumped by this one, and am just trying to identify the culprit. -- Cheers,There are only 10 types of people in this world -- Rick Moen those who understand binary arithmetic and those who don't. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc
Hi, * Phil Gregory [02-07-12 18:48:10 +0200] wrote: * Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-11 23:24 +0200]: A lot of the mails i have problems with are form David (no GMX). IIRC, the last time a thread came up where people were having problems in David's emails not verifying, the problem was traced to an MTA that was improperly quoting/unquoting the leading dots in his attribution line. I remember that but can't recall who it was. But IIRC it was an local MTA/mail configuration so it was only the reason for one user. Thorsten and I (maby others, too) still have problems. bye, Rocco
Re: Mutt 1.3.28 internal pager, Screen 3.09.11: right-padded spaces
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Thomas Dickey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): the same as before: the 'screen' terminfo which has no 'bce' capability. So, a couple of things about that, if you don't mind: 1. Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining the relevance. _Is_ Background Color Erase support in one's terminfo setup essential for screen to correctly support X11 copy/paste (without getting spurious right-padded spaces? Is this a known requirement and a known failure mode in its absence? It's a matter of side-effects. bce says that when doing an erase, the terminal doesn't change the background color. (n)curses and other applications use this information to decide when they don't have to repaint the background using spaces, i.e., filling using the current background color setting. xterm uses the explicit writes in contrast to erases to decide what parts of the screen contain text which can be selected. Please note that I've tried to research this in the docs for both screen and mutt, and not found anything. Is this documented somewhere, and I just missed it? 2. If so, why did all this use to work on default Debian (circa 2.2 release) setups, and then suddenly cease to work upon upgrading _mutt_, at some point? Please note that I changed no terminal settings, during that period. I've been using mutt under screen for many years, and all I did was incrementally upgrade both precompiled Debian packages using apt-get. probably the version of screen changed. At one point it didn't pay much attention to the bce feature, iirc. I still have a note in one of my to-do lists from the beginning of 2000 that screen had something hardcoded to assume that $TERM set to xterm-color implied that it supported bce. That may be the source of your confusion. It was incorrect, and presumably has been fixed. (I've sent fixes a several times to screen's maintainers, who have ignored them, btw - my recollection is that the only time I get an email response is when I'm not supplying a patch ;-) 3. Three days ago, when I attempted to enable BCE on someone else's advice, you may recall that I created ~/.terminfo/s/screen as a symlink pointing to /usr/share/terminfo/s/screen-bce . On Debian, the latter is itself a symlink to /etc/terminfo/s/screen-bce, a compiled terminfo entry. Running strings on that binary yields the following header: screen-bce|VT 100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal with bce So, are you saying this terminfo entry purports to include BCE support but is mistaken? Or that terminfo is otherwise defective? Or that terminfo BCE support is there but screen is failing to use it, or what? It doesn't mention bce. bce is a boolean flag, and infocmp would print that on the first few lines. The names are ordered according to type. -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Mutt 1.3.28 internal pager, Screen 3.09.11: right-padded spaces
At 21:04 -0700 10 Jul 2002, Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :r! ls -l .terminfo/s/ total 0 lrwxrwxrwx1 rick rick 37 Jul 10 17:13 screen - ../../usr/share/terminfo/s/screen-bce At 17:41 -0700 11 Jul 2002, Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [rick@uncle-enzo] ~ $ infocmp # Reconstructed via infocmp from file: /etc/terminfo/s/screen It looks like your symlink isn't being used for some reason, is going up two directory levels enough? So you're getting the normal terminfo entry for screen, rather than the one that advertises bce support. Perhaps you should try it out with TERM=screen-bce. Using the bce support in the debian screen packages (along with TERM=screen-bce) has indeed fixed this problem for me. The main difference would be that I'm using a mutt that I built rather than the debian package. -- Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.schrab.com/aaron/ ...if you are lifeform that is not based on chemistry, I apologize in advance. -- Larry Wall http://www.perl.com/pub/1999/08/onion/talk1.html
Re: saving the current help info to a file
* savanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-07-10 07:26]: No file hey... I presume I could remap the '?' key correct. you can bind the '?' key to some other command and thus lose the binding for the help command. this way you can shoot yourself into your foot. how would I get a dump of that output into a file? mutt :set pager=vim mutt help vim :w mutt_help.txt vim ZZ (ex M$ geek question...) try that with some M$ program! Sven
Re: Mutt 1.3.28 internal pager, Screen 3.09.11: right-padded spaces
Quoting Aaron Schrab ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): It looks like your symlink isn't being used for some reason, is going up two directory levels enough? Good point. I was probably off by one directory level, and didn't check my work carefully enough. How embarrassing! My thanks to you and Thomas for your help. Perhaps you should try it out with TERM=screen-bce. Ah, good: I exited screen, re-enabled defbce on in /etc/screenrc, did export TERM=screen-bce, started screen. Feh! Screen re-sets to TERM=screen. (I'm now adding term screen-bce, to /etc/screenrc, to fix this prospectively.) Inside my screen session, did export TERM=screen-bce again. Started mutt, used the internal pager, and now X11 copy/paste from the internal pager works fine without spurious right-padded spaces. Cool. I do find it odd that the symptom showed up _only_ with mutt's internal pager, and not when using less in its place. But all's well that ends well. -- Cheers,There are only 10 types of people in this world -- Rick Moen those who understand binary arithmetic and those who don't. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wrong Signature with GPG - gpg.rc
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 10:29:47PM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote: | * Thorsten Haude [02-07-11 22:10:53 +0200] wrote: | Could you tell more about this? How did you identify the | broken MTA and what did you do to fix it? | | Someone else found out that GMX escapes 'from' at the | beginning of a line to 'from' which was the reason why I | could not verify a few mails. It's a short sed/python/perl | solution to remove it again. As I said, a few still remain. Actually, that MDA MUST do that mangling, or else your mbox will be corrupted. That's the problem with mbox. As a workaround, the PGP/MIME RFCs recommend that the sending MUA use quoted-printable, and escape all From_ lines before transmitting the message. (though if that GMX MDA was actually manging 'from' lines, then I'll agree that it is broken) | Since some people don't have problems at all, I don't | believe in a mutt problem anymore but in an MTA and MDA | issue (MTAs, fetchmail, procmail and the like). Right. I use maildir as my delivery format, so no message mangling is needed. | David provided some other tips which didn't help for me. | | I sure tried to follow that thread but David's mails are | much harder to read than the others. | | Because of the quoting? ;-) Yeah, but this didn't work for me : au FileType mail set comments+=n:\|,n:% My quoting is colored properly. When I run :set comments?, I see the % added as a comment character, but the coloring doesn't change. Any ideas on that? (using vim as the pager, btw) -D -- Piracy is not a technological issue. It's a behavior issue. --Steve Jobs http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ msg29589/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to use the ISP''s smtp server directly
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 02:37:59PM +0100, Lee J. Moore wrote: | On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Chris Grossmann wrote: | | Just want to add that I switched to postfix (from sendmail) | about 3 months ago and have never looked back.. | | I wonder if anybody on the list knows of any sites comparing the | performance and reliability of both Sendmail and Postfix? I can | only find rather unscientific comparisons by John Doe types. ;) http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/postfix/vsqmail.html FWIW I like exim the best and postfix next. I've heard too many horror stories about sendmail, and read too much of djb's attitude. (also exim has some capabilities that postfix doesn't) -D -- Microsoft DNS service terminates abnormally when it receives a response to a dns query that was never made. Fix information: run your DNS service on a different platform. -- bugtraq http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ msg29590/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt 1.3.28 internal pager, Screen 3.09.11: right-padded spaces
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 11:49:29AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: I do find it odd that the symptom showed up _only_ with mutt's internal pager, and not when using less in its place. But all's well that ends well. less doesn't know anything about color, so it would simply erase rather than fill. -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: bouncing w/ mutt-1.3.28i
Dominik -- One thing I didn't see revisited was your subscription problem. Are you now subscribed? Do you want to be? Anyway, we come back to this problem of bouncing messages. When you bounce a message, mutt takes the message as it was received by you and hands it back to sendmail with a new addressee so that sendmail can put it on its way. This is just like a .forward file in that sense (though it's done manually, of course); nothing in the message envelope is changed, and new headers are added. When you resend a message, all of the transit-related headers (Received:) are thrown away, the identification headers (From:) are available to change as necessary, and the body is wrapped in a new envelope. I'm almost certain that it's completely a new message, with the Message-ID: regenerated on your system, too. All you're doing is using the old message as a template for an entirely new message that happens to look very similar (usually). What is it that you used to do, and what is it that you really want to do? You sound as though you've been doing this for a while, so please forgive the basic level of my explanations and questions, but 'b'ouncing hasn't changed since I met mutt at 0.88 and I can't imagine, particularly since it also works the same way in elm, that it was *ever* any different. Just some thoughts... :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg29592/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
