Re: [mythtv-users] Hauppauge WINTV-PVR-500MCE
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:40:15 -0800, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 10 March 2005 13:34, Brad Benson wrote: > > > > Also, a > > > > single 500 will work with 2 250s in the same backend in harmony? > > > > > > I'm not aware of any reason why it wouldn't, but I haven't yet grouped my > > > 150 or 500 with other ivtv cards (besides each other, which works fine). > > > > I'll be able to test this in a few weeks when my new 500 gets here. :) > > I'll try to beat you to it. My PVR-250 is sitting on my desk right now, > completely unused at the moment, along with a pair of M179s... > Jarod, any luck (or even time to try) running the 250 alongside the 500? I'm still waiting for my 500 to ship so I'm not able to do any testing yet. Also, as an aside, I downloaded the latest ivtv-0.3 driver and am not able to compile it on my system running FC1 on 2.4.22-1.2199.nptl_52.rhfc1.at kernel from atrpms. I know I need to pose this question on the ivtv list, but I thought someone might know offhand why that driver wouldn't compile. I'm betting there's something (module, patch, etc) that's not included in that kernel that I need. I know I need to upgrade my FC1 box to FC3, but I've been putting that off until I absolutely have to. Of course, if I need FC3 to install the latest ivtv drivers then I guess it's time to do that. Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Lite-On IR Keyboard and Learning Remotes
On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 04:06:38PM -0600, Matt wrote: > > Speaking of which, has anybody done up the configuration files to > > make the multimedia keys on the lite-on send codes and then we can > > use them in myth? > > Why would you need to? You can use the receiver that came with the > keyboard that plugs into the mouse and keyboard PS/2 ports. This > doesn't even require LIRC to run (and I always had to restart my > frontend after a day or so because it would stop receiving remote > commands). Now, I just the IR receiver that came with the keyboard, > mucho excellente! The only valid reason I could see you *might* want > to do this is if you had multiple frontends and couldn't move the IR > Receiver that came with the keyboard to each machine. Ummm. That's not what I asked. The lite-on keyboard contains extra "multimedia" keys, such as volume keys, music player control keys and so on. Those keys, like any other keys, send sequences to the lite-on's IR receiver, nothing to do with LIRC. However, to use those keys, you need to define mappings for them, using hotkeys or similar tools, and then once you have defined them, you would put in keyboard mappings into myth so the volume key would increase volume etc. I just wondered if somebody had already made up the mapping table, that's all. Not sure what you're referring to above. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Lite-On IR Keyboard and Learning Remotes
On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 09:01:16AM -0500, David Levine wrote: > Basically, I've programmed the remote just once (under the "TV" > component) with the most common functions I use for Myth. I keep the > keyboard itself under the bed (this is for my bedroom FE) to use for > the rarer functions. I recommend this excellently priced keyboard to all for this reason. Unless you have a fancy screen remote, you will never remember all the functions of myth -- it's hard enough to remember them all on the keyboard. For rarer stuff like video editing, entering searches etc. Just pull out the keyboard. Speaking of which, has anybody done up the configuration files to make the multimedia keys on the lite-on send codes and then we can use them in myth? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Quiet HDTV frontend: AOpen XC Cube EY855-II?
On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 12:54:42AM +, Joel B wrote: > Hi, all, > > I currently am using a MediaMVP as a frontend system, and I'm happy with > it. Despite a lack of features, it does play video with acceptable > quality. But I've been thinking of what happens when I > eventually go with HDTV (Comcast says Real Soon Now). I'd like to put > together a frontend system that can do the HDTV equivalent of the MediaMVP, > and also do LiveTV from a cable STB firewire feed. Beyond > that, my main criterion is quietness. I prefer to boot diskless and store > things on a backend server. I also have the luxury of being in no hurry. > > Has anybody looked at href="http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q1/aopen-ey855/index.x?pg=1";> > TechReports review of the AOpen XC Cube EY855-II mini-barebones system > <\a>? It's based around the Pentium M, and it seems to be exceptionally > quiet. Other nice features for a frontend are builtin firewire > and optical digital audio inputs and outputs. There's a 4X AGP slot (but > not a very wide one) as well as one PCI slot. The main drawback is the > price of the Pentium M, but the low power consumption of that processor is > also what makes the quietness possible. I have an aopen xcube as my frontend, but it is a much cheaper version. In any event, it's pretty quiet, but gets noisy when doing commercial scanning or transcoding as the fan revs up. Fan does not rev up playing video though. Keep it well ventilated. However, the TV's own fan (projection tv) is much louder so the noise of this has not been an issue. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160 gig WD - $40
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:09:00 -0500, Jeff Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:02:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I use 4 IDE drives on the motherboard's (2) IDE controllers. Using them as > > a stripe set in their master-slave configuration is fine, even for my > > VideoToaster which does uncompressed D1 NTSC/PAL video. I don't quite think > > it is as fast as 60 MB/s, but if I remember right the test utility reported > > an average of ~52 MB/s... until about 40% of drives were used then it > > quickly dropped down to ~26-22 MB/s. I'm still wondering how USB 2.0 would > > do... yes it'd be a permanent connection, and cheaper than SCSI, and > > possibly cheaper than SATA, especially since I have no open PCI slots, but > > available USB 2.0 ports. > > With a lack of PCI slots and IDE channels, USB seems like the next > available option. > > I personally would have opted for an external NFS server before paying > for external drives, however. Gigabit or even 100 meg ethernet should > be reasonably fast for video, especially if it's dedicated and on a > switch, and you can get an NFS server running on a pretty low-end > system (assuming it supports large drive capacities, of course). Plus > it gives you future expandability (and you can seperate your > frontend/backend like that as well) This is, in fact, exactly what I ended up doing with my Myth system. My master backend/frontend system is in the living room, but it only contains a single 8GB drive for the OS. All myth data is stored on the NFS server in the closet in the back room - connected via 100MB switched ethernet. I've had it running like this for about 3 months now and I have yet to see a single problem. Oh, the NFS server is a PII 266 with 192MB of RAM. I did have to install an additional IDE controller in order to support the dual 160GB drives in there as the motherboard was too old to support drives that big, but that controller only cost me $25. Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Lite-On IR Keyboard and Learning Remotes
Keyboards, as you may not know, send a lot of codes in their operation. For almost all keys, a code when you press the key and a code when you release it. Remote controls often repeat a code when you hold a button down. I suspect your learning remotes are refusing to learn a sequence that is actually two different pulses (close together). There are ways to configure your keyboard driver to take action on just a downpress I think. The normal action on just a downpress is to go into repeat mode xxx like that. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: 160 gig WD - $40
On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 07:18:07AM -0500, Jeff wrote: > With IDE you only want one drive on a cable (controller > port) as only one drive can transfer data at a time. You can > get a 2nd IDE controller card (better to get a S/ATA card perhaps > at this point) and run 3 HD's using the 4th channel for your CD/DVD > drive. Best to get the largest disks you can (but look for 3yr > warranties which tend to be more expensive). What do benchmarks say about this? Current systems and drives come with 100 megabyte/second or 133 megabyte/second ATA bus speeds. The 7200 rpm drives, on the other hand, tend not to be able to sustain data rates more than about 60 megabytes/second, and of course rarely are they actually doing this, they spend most of their time seeking or idle. So, is it really true that you only want one drive on the cable? Are there some benchmarks out there showing the throughput for the 2 on one cable vs. 2 on 2 cables? I am sure there is some loss here, but how much is it? As you probably know, MythTV tends to rarely need more than 2 megabytes/second of disk bandwidth to play or record even an HD stream. This is so far below the capacity of these channels that it seems odd to me if there would be much gained by buying additional disk controllers to squeeze out a little more bandwidth, but I am curious as to the numbers you may have. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] how to select from multiple input sources?
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:20:10 -0800, MagicITX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any way to specify the default capture card when mythfrontend > start up? A command line parameter perhaps? > > Or if one capture card is busy with one mythfrontend instances will a > second mythfrontend instance automatically use the second capture > card? > My understanding is that when Live TV is selected Myth grabs the first input device it can find that is not currently in use. I believe by default it starts at device 0 and works its way to the higher numbered devices until one is found. There is also a setting somewhere (mythtvsetup?) where you can enable some additional 'intelligence' in the selection of the default device for live tv. Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Energy Usage of MythBoxes
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 04:16:00PM -0900, John Andersen wrote: > The whole thread has been about debunking that myth. I didn't say CPUs always take 80 watts. But I believe that's not a bad number for the whole package, it's what I measured my server at. Not all California pays the 14 cents we pay here, I agree. > > 100 watts per year at average California prices is > about $83 bucks, and that ASSUMES it draws 100 > watts 24/7/365, which is not a valid assumption. Well, no, that is indeed what many always-on servers with 3 disk drives and a high speed processor and a fancy graphics card and various other cards do indeed draw, all day long. More when they are playing HD, transcoding or commercial eliminating, which they do several hours a day in many myth systems. The supposed average family that watches 6 hours/day (I think that's crazy but you keep seeing numbers like that) is going to use their CPU a lot. > with no documentation to back it up. How about my power bill? 14.1 cents per kwh. How about the specs on the components in the systems or power meters? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: Visionplus DVB card
Anyone else had any luck with the Visionplus DVB-T card and R5A12 (location Melb Austalia) >Have a look at http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/DigitalTvHowto > >Regards, >Phill On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:09:14 +1100, Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Got the WAF peaked so bought Visionplus DVB card. Installed knoppmyth > R5A12 which seemed to detect the card. Myth boots but when I go to > watch live TV all i get is a black screen. > > I am not sure the what the next step in troubleshooting is on digital > cards. Any advice welcome. > > Can I use xawtv to test with (like i did with analog) or are their > other tools to use? > > Cheers > > Brad > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Energy Usage of MythBoxes
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 08:58:22AM -0500, Khanh Tran wrote: > Yes, and by these numbers, it should go to show mom's old rant was true. We > don't own stock in the electric company. Turning off a few of those 60-100 > watt light bulbs in rooms you aren't in would probably more than offset the > cost of an added mythbox. Especially for frontend-only systems. I'd wager > your CRT TV/monitor consumes more than your Mythbox. Not when it's off. That was the point of the discussion. The myth boxes are on all the time and don't need to be if you get suspend working reliably. The power is growing. Even the CPUs are taking up to 80 watts to run. But anyway, 100 watts is over $120 a year in California, less in some places, more in others.Even though hard drives take only about 12 watts, and that's only about $45 over the 3 year life of a drive, that does make the difference between two smaller hard drives and one large one. The power is starting to cost even more than that best buy drive (after rebate) people were talking about on this list. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: OT: Reply-To munging / mailing list configuration
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 11:10:41PM -0500, Isaac Richards wrote: > Because of the nature of these lists, all replies, with very few exceptions, > should go to the list. That way, people can do neat things like finding > solutions to problems by checking the archives. People taking things private > should be the exception, not the rule, and I think it should be a conscious > decision for someone to do so. Which I can appreciate. I just felt that deliberately reversing an explicit reply-to was a bit much (I had not realized it was done because some broken mailers inserted it without the user asking.) I reply directly to users a lot. If there's ever a flame war and a user starts making insults in a message, I (almost) never reply in public, and wish nobody else would too, since that's what fuels those things into giant insult-fests that nobody else is reading. To some extent replies of the form "You're the 23rd person this week to ask this, go search on gossamer threads" might be better off private most of the time; these people aren't searching so they won't see the other repeats of this message. Of course my attitude is perhaps getting old. When the net started, public traffic was expensive not just in human time but in resources. When people asked a question, the expected norm was people were supposed to _only_ reply in public, and it was the expected duty of the asker to summarize the responses they got to that question. If they didn't summarize, the answerers could re-post their answer and chastise the asker for not summarizing. This was a must because many people had day-long propagation or more for their messages (because UUCP links only ran at night.) If you didn't do this, 50 people would post the same answer to the question, not having had a chance to see the others. We're long past that need to stop the 50 same answers, but I actually think it was a good system. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Question about BT8x8 digital TV cards
I have just purchased a vision plus , will keep you posted on installation. Once I have that working I would like to put my Leadtek analog card in as well. On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:42:30 +1000, David Whyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With my sempron 2400, I use about 4% per tuner when recording. I can > record 2 different shows and watch another, using about 60-70% CPU! > No IDE or PCI bus problems that I can tell. > > Dave > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:51:22 +1100, Phill Edwards > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 2) Do digital BT8x8 cards chew up CPU? I know the analogue ones do, > > > > but I thought that the digital cards just wrote the incoming MPEG2 > > > > stream straight to disk which would mean very little CPU required. Am > > > > I right or delusional? > > > > > > mythbackend uses about 6% CPU on my 1GHz system while recording SD > > > using a VisionPlus card, so CPU use won't be a problem. > > > > Fantastic - I currently use around 40+% CPU per tuner with current > > analogue --> MPEG4 so this will be a big improvement. > > > > Regards, > > Phill > > ___ > > mythtv-users mailing list > > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > > -- > GMAIL is 'da bomb babyYEAH > > I have GMail invites, if you want one, email me direct. > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Visionplus DVB card
Hi Guys, Got the WAF peaked so bought Visionplus DVB card. Installed knoppmyth R5A12 which seemed to detect the card. Myth boots but when I go to watch live TV all i get is a black screen. I am not sure the what the next step in troubleshooting is on digital cards. Any advice welcome. Can I use xawtv to test with (like i did with analog) or are their other tools to use? Cheers Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] OT: Reply-To munging / mailing list configuration
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 11:22:27PM -0500, Isaac Richards wrote: > On Wednesday 16 March 2005 10:49 pm, Justin Gombos wrote: > > * Wendy Seltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-16 19:24]: > > > please contact me offlist, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > I just noticed this list is malconfigured, and munges the "reply-to" > > headers that users set. Reply-To headers indicate where *private* > > replies should go, and should almost never be directed at the list. > > It is the Mail-Followup-To header that designates where *public* > > replies should go. > > This list is configured properly - ie., exactly how I want it. Perhaps the suggestion is that now that the list has grown to such a tremendous volume, this decision about what is wanted would change. You want to encourage private replies that people want to be private to not add to the traffic on the list, or so I would hope. My own taste is that high-traffic lists should normally send replies just to the author being replied to, you should have to explicitly do a group reply to get the message to the whole group! ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] how about autocomplete a TV series? (more than just rec new ep's)
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 09:34:14AM -0600, Lane Schwartz wrote: > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:03:41 -0500, Graham Dunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I haven't had a chance to try out tvwish yet, but it does look very cool. > > The TV series feature that I would love, though, is the option to view > season number and episode number within Myth. > > The idea is that when you browse your recordings to view, in the box > at the bottom that gives series name, episode name, and episode > description, the season number and episode number would also be shown. > I think there's enough room in the box to comfortably add this info. Unforunately this info is not really presented in a consistent way. The zap2it database gives an "episode number" but each series uses its own system of episode numbering. Some just start episodes at 1 and count up (no seasons provided.) Some have the first episode be 100, some 101, then move to season 2 with 200 or 20, some 1000, some 1001, some 01001 and so on. Some use letters in the episode number, and the letters are not A, B, C and so on, but something else internal. Some shows provide original airdate, which can be handy if you know when a show started and so on. In the end, it is possible somebody needs to go and build a big list for each series describing how it numbers its episodes. This would be handy in tvwish and in other programs. It's not out of the question that you might be able to make a program to intuit this information by scanning the database for a long period for every series now airing, and figure out which of the various patterns each series uses. There are probaby only about a dozen major patterns, you would need to do hand work for the minor patterns. For example, the first episode of M*A*S*H has episode number "J301" -- I don't know what algorithm is going to figure that out. But if you want to do this, it could certainly be used. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Where is Jarod's guide to automatic shutdown and restart?
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:26:46PM -0900, John Andersen wrote: > On Tuesday 15 March 2005 21:43, Jarod Wilson wrote: > > On Monday 14 March 2005 04:21, Phill Edwards wrote: > > > I went looking for this as nvram-wakeup's not working for me any more > > > for some reason, and I remembered that Jarod uses wake-on-lan from > > > another machine. > > > > I think you may have me confused with someone else, I've never used WOL. > > All my boxes are just on 24x7. > > Often wondered about why people are so concerned about WOL > for a myth box. Where is Electricity so expensive that leaving it > on 24/7 is a problem? 100 watts in California 24/7 == approximately $120 per year. So for many PCs, your electricity bill to run them would be more than, for example, Tivo monthly service fee. Stand aone boxes (like the Tivo) tend to run a lot less power than dedicated PCs, especially ones with fast processors. Yes, the power to run a PC 24/7 for a year is now more expensive than almost all its main components in typical setups -- motherboard, processor, 512m ram, most hard disks, most cards -- only the display is routinely more expensive. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV Presentation - Requesting Comments/Opinions
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 09:57:08AM +0800, Max Waterman wrote: > Brad Templeton wrote: > > >Myth and Tivo and the rest are > >still largely schedule oriented for non-series -- browse the movies and > >shows that are on the schedule for the next two weeks regularly, and pick > >shows to record. I wanted to reverse that -- list all the movies you > >are interested in watching, and they just show up. (Sort of like you > >might use netflicks.) But importing other people's recommendations > >goes a level beyond that so it's what I will explore next. > > I used to have (actually, I still have, but I moved while it didn't) a > ReplayTV and one of the things I liked about that was the (IIRC) Replay > Zones. I forget exactly how it worked, but it would allow me to select > *types* of shows which were similar to ones I knew I already liked. I > think it worked really nicely - but was somewhat awkward. My roommates > never used it though. I think they made more use of it to record shows > they already liked. Tivo's "suggestions" and the zones are both interesting features and more useful than they seem at first. Many of the Tivo suggestions, or other things generated by "similarity" are completely silly, stuff you would never watch, but that's OK if you don't set your expectations otherwise. What is true, however, that if you are in a mood to "surf" you can translate it to a mood to browse stuff that is not in your ordinary watchlist. Most people set up a moderate number of series recordings/season passes etc. and their disk becomes full of those recordings, and you sometimes feel a bit burned out, "I want to watch something different." This is what drives people to surf, for example. The suggestions turn out to be better to surf than the things that happen to be randomly on right now. And besides, they are recordings, so you can fast-forward, etc. I think that real human judgement is what you need to make this even better. You can come up with all sorts of algorithms to figure out a person likes science fiction, or Tom Cruise or whatever and try to find more of it. Such things might actually be more useful for browsing upcoming TV than random recordings. I think amalgamating the opinion of critics and other viewers is most likely to yield a list you would actually watch more of the time. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] SPDIF output works for MythMusic, but not MythTV
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:48:15 -0600, Andrew Close <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you can buy a male to male stereo patch cable and plug one end into > the output of your pvr-350 and the other into the input of your sound > card. when you listen to music it will be the same as usual. when > you watch tv you should now get sound out of the SPDIF port. > not pretty, but it should work. I've got a related problem and it's been driving me nuts for quite a while now. I have a pvr350 and a zoltrix nightingale soundcard (c-media CM8738 using cmpci kernel module). I have the 350 audio outputs linked into the line in of the soundcard and both spdif optical and stereo rca connections from the soundcard outputs to my receiver's inputs. I've tried the instructions in the DigitalSoundHowTo on mythtv.info that say to set "Analog to IEC958 Output" to on in alsamxer. The problem is that alsamixer has a setting labeled just IEC958 Output which seems to have no effect whether it is on or off. There is another setting labeled IEC958 Loop. My understanding of this setting is that it pipes the analog input back out through the spdif output. However, when I enable this setting I am very clearly getting analog audio coming into the receiver, but sound works for all parts of myth. (I know this because I can disconnect the spdif cable and still get sound, but when I disconnect the analog cables sound goes away.) When I disable this setting I get audio over the spdif connector for MythMusic, MythVideo, MythDVD, etc. Everything EXCEPT tv. The only way I've found so far to get sound from tv over the spdif connector is to use the instructions from the DigitalSoundHowTo for Via sound chips. The problem there is that the only way to get that to work is to issue this command from the command line: arecord -D hw:0,0 -fdat | aplay -D mixed-digital This works perfectly for outputting tv audio over the spdif connector, but there is no way to automatically execute that command every time myth plays a recording and if I leave that command running all the time I get double audio from all other parts of myth (music, video, etc). Has anyone else had a similar problem? Is anyone else using a cmpci sound device succesfully using spdif output for all parts of myth? The sound quality I get over spdif is obviously much better than the analog connections, but right now I'm stuck using analog for everything in order to avoid having to switch audio inputs when using different parts of myth (because that's too much for the GF to handle ;). Thanks, Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: DVB card for Australia (melbourne)
Thanks for advice Tim, BTW what is xmodmap? I have only used irw and irwrecord and lirc. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] firewire xvmc issue
Here's the backtrace from just after a channel change failure: [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb7992888]concealing 8160 DC, 8160 AC, 8160 MV errors [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb7992888]concealing 8160 DC, 8160 AC, 8160 MV errors *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0842ced0 *** Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted. [Switching to Thread -1250952272 (LWP 20234)] 0xe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () (gdb) backtrace #0 0xe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0x4e098955 in raise () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #2 0x4e09a319 in abort () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #3 0x4e0cbf9a in __libc_message () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #4 0x4e0d2528 in _int_free () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #5 0x4e0d2afa in free () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #6 0xb77b42fd in av_free (ptr=0x0) at mem.c:123 #7 0xb7a2b53d in av_destruct_packet (pkt=0x814bd88) at utils.c:172 #8 0xb7d23103 in av_free_packet (pkt=0x814bd88) at avformat.h:71 #9 0xb7d29a8d in AvFormatDecoder::GetFrame (this=0xb440d008, onlyvideo=0) at avformatdecoder.cpp:1656 #10 0xb7c08357 in NuppelVideoPlayer::GetFrame (this=0x8148690, onlyvideo=0, unsafe=false) at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:839 #11 0xb7c0d7aa in NuppelVideoPlayer::StartPlaying (this=0x8148690) at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:2018 #12 0xb7cb8904 in SpawnDecode (param=0x8148690) at tv_play.cpp:204 #13 0x4e2b93ae in start_thread () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 #14 0x4e137b6e in clone () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 Maybe that'll help somebody more than it helps me :| -bz On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:46:32PM -0500, Brad Zawacki wrote: > I've got a motorola 6200 cable box that I recently hooked to my mythbox > via firewire. I initially had problems with the connection, but CVS > fixed that with the addition of broadcast connections. It mostly works > now, and with xvmc enabled I'm able to watch live HD on my 1.8Ghz p4 > machine at about 70% CPU usage. > > The problem is that xvmc causes problems with channel changes on the firewire > connection. The 6200ch script executes fine, and the backend has no > errors, but the frontend either prebuffer-waits forever or dies. > > Best case with '-v playback' I get this: > > 2005-03-15 23:26:58.602 waiting for prebuffer... > 2005-03-15 23:26:58.602 rate: 29.97 speed: 1 skip: 1 = interval 33366 > 2005-03-15 23:26:58.603 Set video sync frame interval to 33366 > [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]Warning MVs not available > 2005-03-15 23:26:58.656 No codec for stream index 1 > 2005-03-15 23:26:58.657 No codec for stream index 1 > 2005-03-15 23:26:58.658 No codec for stream index 1 > 2005-03-15 23:26:58.658 No codec for stream index 1 > 2005-03-15 23:26:58.736 prebuffer wait timed out.. > 2005-03-15 23:26:58.737 waiting for prebuffer... > ... > > ...and it goes on forever like this, with the screen frozen. > Worst case I get this: > > [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 5 0 > [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]Warning MVs not available > [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 3 1 > [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 0 2 > 2005-03-15 23:31:02.801 prebuffer wait timed out.. > 2005-03-15 23:31:02.802 waiting for prebuffer... > [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 0 3 > [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 0 4 > [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 10 5 > ... > 2005-03-15 23:31:06.374 prebuffer wait timed out.. > 2005-03-15 23:31:06.374 waiting for prebuffer... > *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0a239510 *** > Aborted > > ...and the front end goes away, sometimes taking the backend with it. I > 'think' that the first example happens when changing to a SD channel, > and the second when changing to a HD channel, but I'm not positive that > it's the difference. > > Google hasn't helped me much with the glibc thing, but it seems like it > might be a significant library conflict. I don't know how to fix it. > > > Any help is appreciated. > -BZ > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users pgpCK7vWaw4Ue.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] firewire xvmc issue
Well, good to know I'm not the only one. Let me know if I can provide any helpful info. -bz On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 08:35:50AM -0600, Bryan Murphy wrote: > Brad, > > I've got a similar problem with my 6200 box. I also have a problem > where playback of some recordings cause the frontend to crash. The > crashing problem consistently happens in NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp on line > 1603 during threaded wait call. I suspect both problems are related, > but haven't gone through the steps yet to prove that out. > > I'm trying to track down the cause, but I have precious little time and > have not done any previous work with the QT threading architecture, so > it's taking me awhile. > > Rest assured, somebody is trying to figure out what is going on! :) > > Bryan > > Brad Zawacki wrote: > >I've got a motorola 6200 cable box that I recently hooked to my mythbox > >via firewire. I initially had problems with the connection, but CVS > >fixed that with the addition of broadcast connections. It mostly works > >now, and with xvmc enabled I'm able to watch live HD on my 1.8Ghz p4 > >machine at about 70% CPU usage. > > > >The problem is that xvmc causes problems with channel changes on the > >firewire > >connection. The 6200ch script executes fine, and the backend has no > >errors, but the frontend either prebuffer-waits forever or dies. > > > >Best case with '-v playback' I get this: > > > >2005-03-15 23:26:58.602 waiting for prebuffer... > >2005-03-15 23:26:58.602 rate: 29.97 speed: 1 skip: 1 = interval 33366 > >2005-03-15 23:26:58.603 Set video sync frame interval to 33366 > >[mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]Warning MVs not available > >2005-03-15 23:26:58.656 No codec for stream index 1 > >2005-03-15 23:26:58.657 No codec for stream index 1 > >2005-03-15 23:26:58.658 No codec for stream index 1 > >2005-03-15 23:26:58.658 No codec for stream index 1 > >2005-03-15 23:26:58.736 prebuffer wait timed out.. > >2005-03-15 23:26:58.737 waiting for prebuffer... > >... > > > >...and it goes on forever like this, with the screen frozen. > >Worst case I get this: > > > >[mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 5 0 > >[mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]Warning MVs not available > >[mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 3 1 > >[mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 0 2 > >2005-03-15 23:31:02.801 prebuffer wait timed out.. > >2005-03-15 23:31:02.802 waiting for prebuffer... > >[mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 0 3 > >[mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 0 4 > >[mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 10 5 > >... > >2005-03-15 23:31:06.374 prebuffer wait timed out.. > >2005-03-15 23:31:06.374 waiting for prebuffer... > >*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0a239510 *** > >Aborted > > > >...and the front end goes away, sometimes taking the backend with it. I > >'think' that the first example happens when changing to a SD channel, > >and the second when changing to a HD channel, but I'm not positive that > >it's the difference. > > > >Google hasn't helped me much with the glibc thing, but it seems like it > >might be a significant library conflict. I don't know how to fix it. > > > > > >Any help is appreciated. > >-BZ > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] firewire xvmc issue
I've got a motorola 6200 cable box that I recently hooked to my mythbox via firewire. I initially had problems with the connection, but CVS fixed that with the addition of broadcast connections. It mostly works now, and with xvmc enabled I'm able to watch live HD on my 1.8Ghz p4 machine at about 70% CPU usage. The problem is that xvmc causes problems with channel changes on the firewire connection. The 6200ch script executes fine, and the backend has no errors, but the frontend either prebuffer-waits forever or dies. Best case with '-v playback' I get this: 2005-03-15 23:26:58.602 waiting for prebuffer... 2005-03-15 23:26:58.602 rate: 29.97 speed: 1 skip: 1 = interval 33366 2005-03-15 23:26:58.603 Set video sync frame interval to 33366 [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]Warning MVs not available 2005-03-15 23:26:58.656 No codec for stream index 1 2005-03-15 23:26:58.657 No codec for stream index 1 2005-03-15 23:26:58.658 No codec for stream index 1 2005-03-15 23:26:58.658 No codec for stream index 1 2005-03-15 23:26:58.736 prebuffer wait timed out.. 2005-03-15 23:26:58.737 waiting for prebuffer... ... ...and it goes on forever like this, with the screen frozen. Worst case I get this: [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 5 0 [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]Warning MVs not available [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 3 1 [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 0 2 2005-03-15 23:31:02.801 prebuffer wait timed out.. 2005-03-15 23:31:02.802 waiting for prebuffer... [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 0 3 [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 0 4 [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb79fd854]ac-tex damaged at 10 5 ... 2005-03-15 23:31:06.374 prebuffer wait timed out.. 2005-03-15 23:31:06.374 waiting for prebuffer... *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0a239510 *** Aborted ...and the front end goes away, sometimes taking the backend with it. I 'think' that the first example happens when changing to a SD channel, and the second when changing to a HD channel, but I'm not positive that it's the difference. Google hasn't helped me much with the glibc thing, but it seems like it might be a significant library conflict. I don't know how to fix it. Any help is appreciated. -BZ pgpFBdm4o9sy7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: DVB card for Australia (melbourne)
sounds like there is a problem with Channel 9 and this card. Anyone using it and not having problems with channel 9 digital ? If the card doesn't pick up digital 9 does it default back to analog ?? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] DVB card for Australia (melbourne)
HI Guys, Any recommendations for a DVB card that works well for Melbourne AND mythtv (knoppmyth). I am currently looking at Avermedia DVB-T 771 for AUS $145 VisionPlus HDTV Digital TV Tuner card with remote control AUS $125 Open to any suggestions. Any feedback welcome. I dont really care about HD at the moment. Cheers Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] HELP settings table got hosed
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:30:43 -0400, Mark J. Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I recently had a messy incident on my mythtv backend after my hard disk filled > up. > > Now somehow my settings table has gotten completely hosed. When I look at the > database with mysql-query-browser, it can not fetch the columns for the table > settings. > > When I try to run mythfrontend, I get this: > > 2005-03-14 17:30:00.043 Told to create a NEW database schema, but the database > already has 55 tables. > If you are sure this is a good mythtv database, verify > that the settings table has the DBSchemaVer variable. > > 2005-03-14 17:30:00.043 Couldn't upgrade database to new schema, exiting. > > I have a backup from just before I upgraded to 0.17. > > What can I do? > > Mark > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > My first suggestion would be to make a back up of your current db then drop the mythconverg database and run mythtvsetup. You'll probably want to tell mythtvsetup to clear all settings for tuners and channels. I believe that running mythtvsetup should setup the mythconverg database for you. If not then it should get setup the first time you start the backend or frontend. Of course, any settings you've changed recently will have to be changed back as all the default settings will be inserted when the db is recreated. As long as you make a backup of your current db before you do this you can always roll it back to your currently hosed version and try some other method if this doesn't work, but I expect this should get you fixed up and ready to run again. Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: MythWeather Animated Maps Cannot Download?
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:59:57 -0500, Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can we get these changes committed to CVS? > > I just requested to join mythtv-dev, so if it doesn't happen before > they approve my addition, I'll submit a proper patch. > > -Kenneth > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > I've just submitted a patch to mythtv-dev which adds a few new entries in the db for weather data URL's. This would allow us to quickly and easily adapt to changes in weather data sources as long as the data format remains unchanged. Obviously, using this patch would still require a recompile of mythweather right now, but any future changes could be handled by simply changing a setting in the db. There are hardcoded default values that reflect the currently working URL's so you don't need to make any db changes right now, only if the URL's change again in the future. I've attached my patch to this post as well in case some of the folks on the -users list may find it useful to fix the immediate mythweather problems. Brad mythweather_server_config.patch Description: Binary data ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Mythweather quit working?
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:25:46 -0600, Matt S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone else experiencing this? When I try to launch it, it times out. > When I look at the command line it complains about not being able to > contact the weather.com site. When I try to manually enter the URL it > lists, it won't work either. Anyone else seing this issue? > > Thanks! > Matt > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > Someone else reported this earlier today and included a patch to fix mythweather 0.17. It appears that mythweather is hardcoded to retrieve weather data from w3.weather.com and weather.com changed their DNS entries so that w3.weather.com no longer resolves. You can either apply the patch included in this conversation: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/117858 or just go through mythweather.cpp and change all occurrences of w3.weather.com to www.weather.com. After making the change you will need to recompile and reinstall mythweather for the changes to take effect. Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Broadcast problems?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 12:07:12PM -0800, Joe Barnhart wrote: > > --- Brad Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No dialog is probably a local problem, it happens > > fairly often. This > > occurs when you have ac-3 sound and myth or your > > sound drivers are > > confused and don't merge the center channel into > > your right and left. > > > > (If you got no dialog and you are driving a center > > speaker, then it's their > > fault.) > > > > You need to play around with random settings in your > > alsamixer to fix this. > > While "no dialog" may have local causes at times, it > DOES happen as a result of mistakes at the transmitter > end, too. The last couple of episodes of CSI (LV) > have begun with no dialog for the first 3-5 minutes. > Then someone at the station flips a switch and the > dialog magically appears. This affects only the HDTV > transmission, the analog broadcast is unchanged. > > Then there's the local PBS station, KQED. Since I > installed 0.17 the sound for KQED has stopped > completely. I discovered that Myth is choosing the > wrong sound channel by default, and that I can get > KQED sound to work by pressing "+" on the keyboard to > choose a different sound stream. > > I assume, like other 0.17 problems, this has been > fixed in CVS but will not be added to the 0.17 > "release." Nope. I have a patch you can find on myth-dev for the kqed problem, but people won't accept it because on DVDs it might make a different choice than it does now. People are waiting to gather more data about multi-stream stations. I wonder though, if during that "no dialog" period, you still get it from the center channel of ac-3? I don't have my ac-3 hooked up yet. I mean the only reason you would be able to get background and no dialog is if the program is coming in ac-3 and the center channel is missing, either strangely at the station or at your end. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Broadcast problems? (was: HDTV ringbuffer possibly causes missed 13 minutes of West Wing?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 10:06:14AM -0500, Scott Matheson wrote: > Is there a place (AVS forum maybe?) where folks post suspected HD > broadcast issues? I have frequent problems outside of Myth -- usually > with surround -- I've had no center channel on Numb3rs (Fri 3/11, > WFSB) and surround left and right at full gain, making surround > unwatchable, West Wing (Wed 2/23, WVIT). > > The no dialog on Numb3rs was neat -- lots of good foley and SFX, but > not so helpful for following the plot. The West Wing was frustrating > because WVIT is O&O, and if even GE can't get it right, what can we > expect from anyone else? No dialog is probably a local problem, it happens fairly often. This occurs when you have ac-3 sound and myth or your sound drivers are confused and don't merge the center channel into your right and left. (If you got no dialog and you are driving a center speaker, then it's their fault.) You need to play around with random settings in your alsamixer to fix this. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: Shopping for an HDTV for Myth
A friend of mine has a 46" (I believe) Samsung DLP. It seems pretty damn good. He doesn't have a Myth setup (yet!), but we pumped some HD recordings to it from his Mac and it looked awesome. I find the whites too be too bright but I'm not sure if that's a setting that he has cranked up somewhere. If they weren't so damn expensive, I'd think of getting one too. (they aren't expensive comared to other HDTVs, just my budget ;-) I think Samsung only has one line of DLP projector TVs now, so it shouldn't be hard to find. Also, have you considered just getting a projector? The quality seems to be quite high now. They are cheaper than a TV and if you are matching it up with a Myth system you don't need the tuner and such anyway. Just a thought. Cheers, Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] TVWish Updates
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 11:01:15PM -0500, Scott Minneman wrote: > Brad: > > This all looks wonderful, but I'm having a problem getting it to run. > All of the test runs work fine, but when I sh personal/runwish, it > doesn't set anything to run, and gives me the following error for every > movie: > > DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. > Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the > right syntax to use near ' , , , )' at line 8 at tvwish line 785. > DBD::mysql::st fetchrow_hashref failed: You have an error in your SQL > syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version > for the right syntax to use near ' , , , )' at line 8 at tvwish line 579. > > In case it helps, running mysql --version reports: > > mysql Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.22, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) > > Any ideas? > > -Scott Apparently a problem with perl DBI and mysql4 when it comes to booleans. I have made sure they are expressed as 0 or 1 and that appears to fix it. The tar file is updated. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Shopping for an HDTV for Myth
On Sat, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:30:24AM -0600, Moasat wrote: > I have an MX4000 but I may upgrade that to something with DVI. I'm > wondering if any users that have a working HDTV/Myth setup could offer any > pointers for buying a nice HDTV. I currently have a Hitachi that never > really played well with Myth and my AA VGA to YUV converter. (Never could > get a good modeline that wasn't either off-center of too large or small to > fit on screen.) > > What brands/technologies seem to work the best and look good as well. I'm > thinking of getting a DLP based TV unless someone has had a super bad > experience. > There are brand new drivers from Nvidia, but I have not yet heard if they fix the DVI bug in nvidia cards (which are otherwise your only good choice for HD it seems.) Some brands take RGBHV inputs as well as YPbPr -- that will save you a $100 converter (or a high-end nvidia 6600). Some brands have VGA ports on the back, which is also good, but in some cases may not allow use of 1080i or even more than 1024x768. Check into that. Mitsibushi, which I have, does both vga and RGBHV. Their DVI, I am disappointed to learn, is not high quality. MAKE SURE YOUR TV TAKES 720P INPUT directly, especially if it is a TV with native 720 or 768 lines of resolution, as most dlp/lcd tvs are. I had an RCA that did not do this and there are other brands that insist all input be at 1080i! Run away from such TVs. Modern DLP are good (get one with a fast spinning colour wheel.) Modern LCD are also good (rumour has it some people predict the colours will fade over time.) CRT projectors are older, some claim to really have 1080 lines but I have not seen them appear much sharper though it's hard to do a good test. Some day there will be support for streaming video to the TV over firewire. Toshiba, Mitsubishi and RCA sets take this (DTVLink) but again, today there is no support for it. On the other hand, you may decide you can save some bucks because you don't need an ATSC tuner if you have myth, which is true. (you won't get the dtvlink if you don't have a tuner though.) Right now due to the rules, only lower end and older models are without tuners I think. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] TVWish Updates
As per request, tvwish has been updated to allow you to set the recording profile (ie. "Low Quality" and "High Quality" from the Default) Set: profile="Low Quality" While doing that, I added variables for transcode and for the 4 user jobs, so you can set that all your wishlist recordings get auto transcode or any number of other things. This works in version 0.17 only. Here is the full list of changes Add support for Profile, transcode and userjobs variables, changed how commflag is imported Fixed typo in simpsons file Add contributed files for disney movies, Cannes winners, Oscar nominees Put in line-folding code to print descriptions better Sanity checks on variable values Use proxy environment variables for web connect Created variable for regional value of movie category_type Added Malcolm in the Middle file Easy install with just "make install" As always, documentation with link to the tarball is at: http://www.templetons.com/brad/myth/tvwish.html ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: HDTV ringbuffer possibly causes missed 13 minutes of West Wing?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 10:34:39AM -0500, Morgan Rinehart wrote: > Seems this could have been a Nationwide problem all over the net there > are complaints from sound issues to what someone called double letterbox > in the last 10min. Thanks everyone for you help. "Double letterbox" (actually letterbox inside pillarbox) appears to be caused by the station setting the program to be SDTV. Most stations appear to always run at their official resolution (1080i in this case) and when they show an SDTV program, they upsample it to 1080i and pillarbox it. Widescreen programs put into SDTV are letterboxed. So they are taking the HD signal, downconverting it to SDTV letterbox to air on the SDTV channel, and then upconverting to 1080i and pillarboxing. Silly. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: HDTV ringbuffer possibly causes missed 13 minutes of West Wing?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 09:22:57AM -0500, Morgan Rinehart wrote: > I am recording from WTHR-HD in Indianapolis. It is fine for most of the > broadcast but when it reaches 44min it is like there is not a sync > signal. All of the colors are still there and there are no blocks in > the picture. The picture is still in HD with the exception of the > kaleidescope effect which make watching the show impossible. Next week > I will watch the logs while recording and watch the broadcast live in HD > on a separate TV so I can see if it is effected also. Is it possible > that it could have been a problem with the NBC national feeds to the > local stations? > Does your backend not record logs to disk? Most people set it up to put the logs in a file like /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log or similar. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: HDTV ringbuffer possibly causes missed 13 minutes of West Wing?
On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 01:16:36PM -0500, Morgan Rinehart wrote: > I am having the same issue as the original post. The West Wing on Wed. > for the past two episodes shows recording time of 47min. When the > recording reaches 44min the playback starts to look like a kaleidescope. > You can still see the NBC logo and movement but blurred. This has > happened at exactly the same time for Ep. 16 and 17. It is not a signal > strength issue nor does it occur on any other NBC broadcasts. > In the end, since somebody else here in the Bay Area saw this, we concluded that kntv-HD had just broadcast wrong. I got this week's episode fine. Who are you recording from? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: mythtv backend on a headless fileserver
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:01:49 -0800, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ssh w/X11 forwarding works just fine for me. Enable X11-forwarding in the > backend's sshd config file, then: > > ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Not sure what else might need doing, this works out of the box on FC3 > (X11-forwarding is already enabled in FC3's sshd, but the -X is needed to > tell the client to enable X11-forwarding also). > If you don't already have it, create ~/.ssh/config on the client machine. Then add this: Host * ForwardX11 yes This will automatically enable X11 forwarding for any machine you log into. Of course, it's much safer to add, say: Host mymythbackend ForwardX11 yes That way you only explicitly allow X forwarding for the machine named mymythbackend. All other machines you log into will not allow X forwarding unless you include -X on the command line. You can add as many Host entries as you like, but keep in the mind that the first entry in the file takes precedence so make sure any 'Host *' entry is the last one in the file. If 'Host *' is the first entry in the config file my understanding is that it will override any other settings you have in there. Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Hauppauge WINTV-PVR-500MCE
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:40:15 -0800, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've currently got a single 350 doing encode and decode on my MBE/FE > > system. When the 500 gets here I'll be putting that in the same > > system with the 350 and I'll report back with any problems. > > One more thing to note about the 150 and 500 coexisting with a 350 and/or > 250... At the moment, scaling the video down to anything less than > full-resolution (720x480 NTSC, 720x576 PAL) at encoding time is not yet > possible on the 150 and 500, so your recording profiles will have to all use > 720x480 for the moment. I believe scaling is one of the next things on the > list to tackle... Not a problem really. I've been recording at 720x480 for ease of converting to DVD, but just today I switched that down to 352x480 since I get pretty much the same quality video and save some space. But hey, I've been getting 720x480 so why not go back to it if I can record 3 shows simultaneously rather than just 1? > > > Thanks for your hard work on this Jarod! > > The bigger thanks go to a number of folks on the ivtv list, the tveeprom and > tuner stuff I did was pretty trivial compared to the work they did on the > cx25840 component. But I'll take what I can get. ;-) > Well then, thanks to all those folks as well. :) But I don't think I ever sent out a big thank you for the FC install guide without which I would've spent MUCH more time getting my first box up and running. When I told my GF that I was "building a tivo" she looked at me like I had two heads and she was still perturbed with the amount of time I spent on it. Without your guide I probably wouldn't have a GF anymore. :) > > I've really been wanting to > > add a new tuner and 2 is always better than 1 (as long as the 2 > > actually work ;) ). Since I only have 1 PCI slot left I was really > > hoping the 500 would get some working drivers. > > For the most part, my analog tuners do next to nothing anymore. I've got a > pcHDTV HD-2000 capture OTA HD, cable HD coming off my cable box via FireWire, > and an Air2PC card I'm still working on (can't seem to get anything off cable > at the moment, may just move it to OTA as well). Getting my 150 and 500 > working has mostly been just for fun! :-) > I'm glad you had fun doing it (although that's why we all do it, right?). I don't yet have an HDTV so the HD stuff is just pie in the sky for me at this point. I'm happy to not have to miss the new South Park on Wednesday because the GF wants to make sure we get the new episode of Newlyweds on MTV. God forbid I'd just watch South Park when it's on live TV. Live TV? What's that? ;) Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Hauppauge WINTV-PVR-500MCE
> > Also, a > > single 500 will work with 2 250s in the same backend in harmony? > > I'm not aware of any reason why it wouldn't, but I haven't yet grouped my 150 > or 500 with other ivtv cards (besides each other, which works fine). I'll be able to test this in a few weeks when my new 500 gets here. :) I've currently got a single 350 doing encode and decode on my MBE/FE system. When the 500 gets here I'll be putting that in the same system with the 350 and I'll report back with any problems. Thanks for your hard work on this Jarod! I've really been wanting to add a new tuner and 2 is always better than 1 (as long as the 2 actually work ;) ). Since I only have 1 PCI slot left I was really hoping the 500 would get some working drivers. Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: Re: Announcing TVWish Beta -- A super wishlist for Myth
Title: Re: Re: Announcing TVWish Beta -- A super wishlist for Myt A dorky typo is the cause of this. In the file lists/simpsons-tvtome on the first line it says "The Simsons".  To which I can only say D'OH! In the immortal words of Homer -- "WooHoo!!" Fixed the typo and all seems well now. Thank-you! Not currently though this would not be too hard to add. I had figured that somebody who "almost always records at low quality" would make their "default" quality to be a low quality. Yeah, yeah, I know... but I use "Default" as "medium" quality -- I don't know why I can't seem to create more quality settings than "high", "default", and "low"... but that's another issue altogether. ;-) I still think it would be really cool to be able to set the recording quality for each "wish". Thanks again for this feature! I'm really stoked about it. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] RE: mythtv-users Digest, Vol 26, Issue 42
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 06:53:22AM -0500, Greg Depasse wrote: > On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:49:47 -0800, Brad Templeton > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On the Tivo, which is what I used before mythtv, you had the nice ability > > to pause the live show (without turning it into a recording) and watch > > a bit of something else just to build your buffer. > > > > Hi- > Long time lurker, nearly a myth owner (and soon to be an ex-owner of tivo). > > Brad, can you clarify the above statement? Does it mean that you > can't pause live TV? Or does it mean that you can't pause live TV and > watch a recorded show at the same time? Correct. Myth lets you pause live tv, but you can't do anything else in myth while it's paused, except what you can do in the live tv mode, like browse the program guide.You can do other linux things. You could, in a pinch, go and manually play other recordings with mplayer. You can call up mythweb. You can also do what most people do, namely ask it to record the live program that is currently on, and that leaves you free (if you were not watching behind in the buffer) to go watch other shows and come back to your other recording. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Announcing TVWish Beta -- A super wishlist for Myth
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 02:53:59AM -0800, Brad wrote: > Wow. This is really cool. I can't wait to see this grow into a full > Myth module! Seems to be working for me and this solves a big problem > I've had with Myth so far... knowing what to record! I only record a > couple of shows that I know I'll like (Daily Show, Passionate Eye, > Trailer Park Boys), but otherwise I'm quite clueless. This is a neat > way to get recommendations on programs to check out without spending > countless hours scrolling through TV listings. > > A few comments on my very limited (4 hrs) exposure so far: (I using > .16 and FC1, if it makes a diff) > > - Although my install seems to be working, for some reason it doesn't > seem to be recording Simpsons episodes. I'm using the included > "simpsons-tvtome" listing... here's my /personal/master line: > Include: lists/simpsons-tvtome minrank=200 Priority=-9 A dorky typo is the cause of this. In the file lists/simpsons-tvtome on the first line it says "The Simsons". To which I can only say D'OH! > - Is there any way to set the recording profile? I almost always > record at "low quality" and noticed that this always seems to us > "Default" quality. It might be nice to ba able to set movies to use > high quality while the simpsons, for example, uses low. Not currently though this would not be too hard to add. I had figured that somebody who "almost always records at low quality" would make their "default" quality to be a low quality. I mean I could let you set just about all of myth's many parameters, but for now focussed on the main ones. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Re: Announcing TVWish Beta -- A super wishlist for Myth
Wow. This is really cool. I can't wait to see this grow into a full
Myth module! Seems to be working for me and this solves a big problem
I've had with Myth so far... knowing what to record! I only record a
couple of shows that I know I'll like (Daily Show, Passionate Eye,
Trailer Park Boys), but otherwise I'm quite clueless. This is a neat
way to get recommendations on programs to check out without spending
countless hours scrolling through TV listings.
A few comments on my very limited (4 hrs) exposure so far: (I using
.16 and FC1, if it makes a diff)
- Although my install seems to be working, for some reason it doesn't
seem to be recording Simpsons episodes. I'm using the included
"simpsons-tvtome" listing... here's my /personal/master line:
Include: lists/simpsons-tvtome minrank=200 Priority=-9
I tried getting rid of the "minrank" altogether but it doesn't make
any difference. I know that there is at least one matching epsiode
airing ("Lisa's Sax") and when I run with v=3 it is checking the file
and cycling through all the episodes... just none of them are flagged
as matching.
- Is there any way to set the recording profile? I almost always
record at "low quality" and noticed that this always seems to us
"Default" quality. It might be nice to ba able to set movies to use
high quality while the simpsons, for example, uses low.
Anyways, thanks for a great add-on!
Brad
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Re: [mythtv-users] RE: mythtv-users Digest, Vol 26, Issue 42
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 08:44:34PM -0500, Jeff Wormsley wrote: > Brad Templeton wrote: > > >I find with sports you can easily watch a game in about 50% of the time, > >skipping over the commercials and gaps between plays, or putting some > >sections on timestretch. > > > > > Dunno about that... Something about watching sports "live" just seems > better. Sure, the outcome won't change any, but its just the perception > that even though it is completely passive, you are a part of something. > That's probably why I never record sports. For me at least, I found that at first it seemed to be an issue to watch the sports non-live, but you get over it eventually, and you get more annoyed you can't hit the FF button during a pitching change or time-out or whatever. On the Tivo, which is what I used before mythtv, you had the nice ability to pause the live show (without turning it into a recording) and watch a bit of something else just to build your buffer. In the scheme I describe above, you're rarely watching more than 15 or 20 minutes behind live, which is pretty closed to live, close enough that you don't have to play the "don't find out" games you do with day-later watching. Unless you are watching one game where they give you the score of the other game in a window! ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Reinstall for .17
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 04:12:24PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Long time user, about to upgrade to .17 by compiling source (as I always > do). However, I have a problem where my my database is "semi" corrupt. I > can't explain how, but I have random channels that display twice in my > guide, and recordings I can't remove. > > So, is there a way that I can display a listing off all the recordings I > have setup in a visible manner other than pulling raw data from the > recording table so I can reset them all up? > > And is there a way I can dump my database but save all my settings like > the capture card and bitrates/etc? Maybe by dumping certain tables? > Couple of diffrerent answers: a) Just let mythtv "setup" purge your existing channel lineup and then reconnect it. b) Get phpmyadmin or a different mysql editor and had delete the bad rows in the tables. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Low End MythTV
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 09:00:14PM -0800, Andrew Lynch wrote: > > I think it would be great if old PCs could be > converted into PVRs rather than tossing them in > landfills or third world toxic waste dumps. That is > such a waste. I regularly see cheap TV tuners for $20 > or less. Add one to an old PC + free/open source > software and presto cheap PVR! > > Thanks! Indeed. But there are limits. I mean at some point it doesn't make sense to put a $130 pvr-250 in a computer which is worth $50, if that, on the open market. You are happy with 320x240 but now that I am watching a lot of HDTV, I find 720x480 to be blurry. When you see them selling a Sempron 2200 lindows system in Fry's for $180, you really have to ask what your time is worth trying to make it all work on a really ancient PC. Ancient PCs of course also tend to not have USB, or AGP. Generally, you really want to record either 240 or 480 lines, though I guess you can go below 240 because once you convert to 240 you no longer have interlacing issues the same way. 240 lines is considered the resolution of VHS tapes, but good broadcast has the full 480 (interlaced) and a DVD has the full 480 progressive if you have the right setup. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] RE: mythtv-users Digest, Vol 26, Issue 42
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 12:05:53AM -0500, Jeff Wormsley wrote: > Brad Templeton wrote: > > >(Though if you bought an HD ready monitor > >instead of a TV you might not have it, though I thought even those > >had PiP for their video inputs and the NTSC tuners they tend to contain?) > > > > > Depends. Mine has PnP, but only if you are already using a tuner > input. With the component input, it is not available. Live TV is best > for sports, though, and PnP is especially nice for college football or > baseball, where there is often more than one game on at the same time. > I'm actually hoping to take advantage of the encode/decode delay this > year, seeing as how the radio broadcast is often better than the TV > commentators, and the radio has a longer delay that shifts the > description of the action off of the video by a couple of seconds. I > think a judicious momentary pause should allow me to sync the radio > sound to the TV video. Far too esoteric an idea to build in, though! It is a cute idea. I would rather implement a "Toggle" feature that toggles between two recordings (many remote controls have a button to switch between the two most recent channels). Then record both games and watch near-live. I find with sports you can easily watch a game in about 50% of the time, skipping over the commercials and gaps between plays, or putting some sections on timestretch. Then you could watch two games at the same time in the time to watch one. When you get close to "live" in one game, you watch the other for a while until you are "live" in it and vice versa. Could not do the radio trick though. I find the toggle concept to be quite useful in general. For example, often I am watching a show with somebody. If she needs to go do something I want to quickly switch to a program I watch but she doesn't. Then, as soon as she gets back, switch back to what we were watching together. I mean I do this, using the menu keys, and it's not killer hard, but with a single toggle key (which effectively means "go to the last thing I was watching, be it recording or live TV channel") it can be even more efficent. One more to put on the list. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Low End MythTV
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 10:38:00PM -0700, Blammo wrote: > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:00:19 -0800 (PST), Andrew Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > There are links to other "low end" MythTV projects > > included and a discussion of my project. I'd like to > > include other peoples low end MythTV projects so reply > > here or send me a message offline. > > I just built a low-end machine for a co-worker. By Low-end I mean what > I would consider the be the bare minimum. Her own hardare, P2-300. I > put 512M of my own ram into it, and we bought a PVR-250 the lowest end > PCI Nvidia card we could get XvMC in. (Think it was an MX4000). The MX440 should also work. > > Overall, the playback and recording are flawless at 720x480 MPEG2. > Commercial flagging takes roughly 8 hours for 1 hr of video. Menus, > etc, are slow to come up, drop off. Actually, I'm surprised it is this poor. I built a system for somebody with an Athlon 750mhz chip, only 2.5x faster than your 300mhz chip. Yet it commercial flags an hour of TV in under 40 minutes. I am not recording at 720x480 though. You don't want to record at 720x480 unless you are trying to burn DVDs. General wisdom is that NTSC doesn't really send much more than 352 pixels of width, 480 is certainly adequate and 680 is overkill for when you want to squeeze out the absolute most. IIRC, DVDs work from 352 and 720. More to the point, as I learned on this very list, you will get a better quality recording from 352x480 at the same bitrate (say 4 megabits as a common rate) than you would from 720x480. Hard to say, but you might get a better quality recording from 352x480 at 4 megabits than from 720x480 at 5 megabits, because the 720 is throwing in wasted information, which is somewhat compressed but not perfectly. I presume you are using the xvmc to play this video. The system I built also had an mx4000 but was able to play the video without xvmc, which didn't work well at the time I built it (0.16). ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] RE: mythtv-users Digest, Vol 26, Issue 42
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 07:17:27PM -0500, Jonathan M. Cooper wrote: > I get where you're coming from. I just like to occasionally have a > baseball game on in realtime in a PIP window while watching a recorded > program. Understood, though I would much rather watch the ball game as a slightly delayed recording and just skip the boring parts. However, the function above seems prime for the built-in PIP found in almost all modern TVs. (Though if you bought an HD ready monitor instead of a TV you might not have it, though I thought even those had PiP for their video inputs and the NTSC tuners they tend to contain?) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Should front end & backend releases match exactly?
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 07:02:41PM -0500, Byron Miller wrote: > I'm interested in upgrading the backend via cvs - is there any issues > with running a newer release on the backend? If you are talking a .16 with a .17, you can't do it. There is an internal myth protocol, and it keeps changing and it is not backwards compatible among releases. If you are talking running different variants of the same release from CVS on your systems, that usually works though I would not always guarantee it. Slight revisions in CVS keep adding new fields to the database at random times, and while they are usually clean, I would not say there is a guarantee the old frontend would understand the data stored by the new backend 100% of the time. But mostly it works. However, 14 times so far an incompatible change has been introduced in the basic protocol. And people are talking about another one, perhaps a complete redoing of the protocol. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV and SDTV playback
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 04:57:42PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Unless you are stuck with a broken xvideo setup, myth will scale the HD so it > displays ok on the SDTV. (without any extra cpu load or transcoded copy) > > Unless that is not what you want. That's not quite true. Doing this requires a fair chunk of CPU (it used to be a 3ghz was a must, recently that's scaled back a bit). On top of that, I was surprised to learn that the nvidia xvideo drivers won't scale 1080i down to 640x480, which is the most natural resolution to run at for SDTV. So you have to run your display at 1024 x 768, which means you have to deinterlace, and then your tv-out re-interlaces which I never thought was all that good. Use of RANDR is recommended here so you can play your 480i video native at 480i, and your HD video scaled into 1024x768 and then scaled again. You can do the UI anywhere, but if you run at a higher res, you will need to make the fonts big for any non-myth stuff you do (shells, firefox.) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Looking for Ultimate Frontend-only...
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 01:39:18PM -0800, Brad wrote: > I've been looking for the perfect frontend (only) machine for MythTV, > and am amazed that I can't find anything that fits my criteria. > > The criteria are: > - must support SDTV (so not too demanding) > - must be able to run MythFrontend so all options are available with same > UI. > - must be quiet. Preferably no fans whatsoever. > - must support TV out, S-video > - should be small. Preferably something like the Roku form-factor, > slim and reasonable good looking. > - should have a remote or allow one to be added easily and cheaply, > hopefully internal. > - should be inexpensive <$300 USD max... hopefully $250 or even less. ;-) > - should support net-boot > - may support 5.1 surround sound (or SPDIF) [not firm requirement] > - may support slim dvd drive [not firm requirement] > > The closest I've got so far is a stripped-down Pundit (not "R"), but > that's still a little expensive and unnecessarily big. The Roku looks > good, but doesn't give the MythUI (read: low WAF). > That's your kicker, because the MediaMVP ($80) seems your dream-box in most other ways. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Looking for Ultimate Frontend-only...
I've been looking for the perfect frontend (only) machine for MythTV, and am amazed that I can't find anything that fits my criteria. The criteria are: - must support SDTV (so not too demanding) - must be able to run MythFrontend so all options are available with same UI. - must be quiet. Preferably no fans whatsoever. - must support TV out, S-video - should be small. Preferably something like the Roku form-factor, slim and reasonable good looking. - should have a remote or allow one to be added easily and cheaply, hopefully internal. - should be inexpensive <$300 USD max... hopefully $250 or even less. ;-) - should support net-boot - may support 5.1 surround sound (or SPDIF) [not firm requirement] - may support slim dvd drive [not firm requirement] The closest I've got so far is a stripped-down Pundit (not "R"), but that's still a little expensive and unnecessarily big. The Roku looks good, but doesn't give the MythUI (read: low WAF). That's left me looking at the Via Epia boards and one of their cool cases, but they seem to be kinda crazy expensive (when I can even find a price). Has anyone got any suggestions? I'm all ears... ;-) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] almost there, now blue screen when trying to watch recording or live tv
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 11:25:40AM -0800, Tim Swortzel wrote: > I've finally got everything installed. Now, when I > watch live tv, I get a blue screen. If I record a > show, then go to watch it, I see it in the preview > screen playing normally, but when I select it to > watch, it's a blue screen. Anyone know why this is? > > I'm using an older machine (PIII 900 MHz 512M RAM), a > PVR350, and the onboard video card. I'm not using the > tv out of the card, just watching on monitor. > The blue screen is xvideo not working properly. I get this all the time in certain nvidia configurations but only after I try to play 1080i video, which I dobut you are doing. xvideo works by slapping up a rectangle of a certain magic colour (often a bright blue). The xvideo hardware knows it should overlay on top of this colour. It's how you fake your windowing system overlay support into xvideo which is deep in the card hardware. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Thinking of Switching from Cable to DirectTv
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 10:42:41AM -0700, Dave Packham wrote: > I have analog cable now and I'd like to switch to DirecTV sat. I have > 2 pvr250 that are split on the cable. How hard/possible is it to > control those boxes with serial ports, guessing 2 ports, one for each > external receiver. Do people do this? I don't really want to use a > IRblaster. Does the Sat onscreen menus come up when myth changes the > channels? Is it transparent (analog cable like) after you got the > serial ports working? What model DirecTV tuners work the best here Darn right you don't want to use an IR blaster! These are slow and sometimes even fail on the channel change. But in general, analog cable is _so_ much better than satellite or digital cable when it comes to a PVR. Pros: Guaranteed channel changes, tuning is instant (even though there is still a delay to restart the digital capture in your PVR) Quasi-acceptable live tv surf ability -- live tv surf is intolerable with the others It's never accidentally off. (If your satelitte box gets an off code for some reason, or goes off in power glitch, you get no recording.) You can slap as many tuners on it as you want (satellite/dc needs a box for every tuner) One simple wire into the box Not transcoding pre-compressed re-expanded video Cons: Digital TV/Satellite have more channels ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] $30 FX5200 at CompUSA
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 11:35:02AM -0600, Josh Burks wrote: > > I don't really have anything to help, I just wanted to point out that > Compusa also has Hauppauge WinTV Go cards for $20 (after instant > rebate, not mailin). surplus computers has those cards for $20 no rebate required. However, that card is mono sound only. There seem to be other raw capture cards for not much more in froogle which might let you capture stereo. Though I presume the wintv-go is pretty well tested in Myth? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Low End MythTV
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 09:00:19AM -0800, Andrew Lynch wrote: > Hi, > > I recently gave a briefing on building a KnoppMyth > HTPC to the local Dayton Linux SIG and one of the main > questions was on converting old PCs into HTPCs. > > Curiousity got the best of me so I built a low end > MythTV system (P2 266 CPU) as an experiement. I > thought it worked out pretty good for an essentially > "free" computer. I thought others might be interested > so I started a webpage to gather some of the lessons > learned along the way. > > There are links to other "low end" MythTV projects > included and a discussion of my project. I'd like to > include other peoples low end MythTV projects so reply > here or send me a message offline. > > http://www.dma.org/day-mug/lowrider.shtml > > Thanks! Impressive? So you are recording in mjpeg I presume? I assume that 352 x 480, which is what the Tivo and many others record at, is not within the power of this system to record? If you could play it back you would have a nifty frontend, though. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] movie trailer plugin!
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 08:55:14AM -0500, Joseph Caputo wrote: > Jeff Simpson wrote: > >I just thought of this idea and wanted to share it before I forgot it > >again. > > > >What if there were a way from within myth to look through the program > >guide, and on the information screen, download and watch the trailer > >from it if there is one found? Or additionally, have a plugin that is > >in the media library that basically says "watch trailers" where it > >will list off all the movie trailers it finds on some website and if > >you select one it will download and watch it. (kinda like the > >video-on-demand trailers on comcast). > > > >It's just an idea, I don't have the time to implement it or anything, > >I just wanted to put it out there in case there was anyone thinking > >"what could make myth even better?" > > > >ps - I don't know if there is a particular website to list off movie > >trailers, but I'm sure one must exist. Whether or not they mind us > >scraping their page and downloading their trailers is a different > >story... > > Apple might be a good place to try for trailers (www.apple.com/quicktime). > > Personally, I think a more useful plugin would be movie time listings > from local theaters. I know Apple's 'Sherlock' tool gets this > information (as well as the trailers) via a feed from one of their > partners (i.e., no scraping needed), but I haven't seen anyone try to > leech off of it yet... I'm sure it wouldn't make Apple happy. How about bookmark a search for "movie:your-zip-code" on google into your mythweb bookmarks? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Dual HDTV Tuner Requirements
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 07:59:10AM -0500, Jonathan M. Cooper wrote: > Thanks for your response. Does that mean that PIP is not feasible with, > say, a P4 3.2GHz? I remain curious as to why people want PiP when they have MythTV. Many people who use Myth stop watching live TV altogether, and I am amazed that the desire would remain to watch _two_ live TVs. But indeed, it might be a CPU problem since nobody has written yet a "clever" mpeg decoder which knows it is decoding for a tiny size and thus avoids the cpu load of decoding for full size and rescaling. A number of people are interested in such a decoder, since it would allow some people with older processors to watch HDTV recordings on their SDTVs. Still SDTV, but a fair bit better than NTSC recording. The EyeTV program for the Mac has such a clever decoder, so it is possible. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Dual HD-3000 and PVR 350
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 11:51:34PM -0800, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Mar 5, 2005, at 10:18 PM, Jeff Kryzer wrote: > > To record programs that aren't broadcast in HD. While the HD-3000 can > tune both ATSC and NTSC, Myth only supports using one or the other (on > a per-card basis). There are some technical reasons for this, which you > can review in the mailing list archives. There has been some discussion > about how to implement this, but it isn't a very high-priority item, so > most of us with HD cards simply use an analog-only card for the analog > stuff. I expect someday somebody will modify the tuner allocation to handle the fact that two completely different drivers refer to the same RF tuner. Until then you can choose to get an mpeg encoder card (pvr-150 starting to work now, just $83) or a raw capture card (as low as $20). Your HD playing machine will have plenty of CPU, so it can easily capture mp4 from the raw card, which is a good way to go, but you run the risk that you might have trouble playing HD at the same time as you are encoding mp4 from a raw card, so most people go for the pvr card (usually the pvr-250 which has more mature drivers but is $130) There are some vastly cheaper mpeg encoding cards out there due to Microsoft MCE. For example, look at this one: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=6002498&cat=VCD hardware mpeg encoder, fm tuner, and a whopping $14 in price. Unfortunately drivers for the LSI DVXplore chipset are not available in linux as far as I know. But perhaps someday they will be. I have to say with all the money people here spend on $130 pvr-250s, you would win many favours if you wrote a dirver for this chipset. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Commercial Skip
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 01:24:32PM -0500, Chris Pinkham wrote: > Part of this is due to the fact that it assumes that "show" segments > must be at least 65 seconds long. I've seen what you're talking about > once or twice, but if I crank that number down, then you will get > missdetection at other points because of the way the scoring works. > I believe that what I'm going to have to do is to allow the minimum > show length to be less when within the last 10 minutes of a show. Even smaller margin that that. Lots of shows have a "teaser" at end of show and at start of show that is quite short. They also have the "scenes from next week" which is a real doozey when it comes to automatic detection since they look a lot like a commercial, sort of _are_ a commercial, but people consider them part of the show. I would say allow short breaks of program in the first 5 and last 5. The start of programs is of course also challenging because you have teasers, starting music etc. As for the "commercial break must be a minute long" heuristic, that's a good one -- except on sports, there you will see shorter breaks during pitching changes, gaps in the game etc. You can usually detect if a show is sports from the category. > > > In almost every recording of Daily Show, it skips right over the last > > 5 or 6 mins of the recording, right to the end of the show, and > > sometimes hangs up MythTV requiring a kill and restart of Myth :( > > I record The Daily Show, but only the first 15 or so minutes (don't care > about the interviews). :) I'll modify my schedule so I can get a sample > or two of this to see if I can work something out. Actually, it is because of skipping the interview that this is a problem. I know it goofs on this show, and so when I get bored with the interview I hit End (goes to start of commercial break) and then hit it again for the moment of zen and.. D'oh! -- it quits the recording. I would probably also recommend for the player that hitting End when it would terminate the recording give an error pop-up. If I want to quit the recording, I'll do that manually with D or Escape. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Dual HDTV Tuner Requirements
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 01:05:19AM -0500, Jonathan M. Cooper wrote: > I've been reading that HDTV decoding takes a substantial amount of > processing power. I was wondering if anyone has gotten 2 or more HDTV > tuner cards working with myth, and, if so, what the CPU and memory > requirements would be. I'm considering replacing 2 UltimateTV boxes > with myth. The UltimateTVs each have 2 tuners, so I'd want a setup > where I could record 4 shows at once (ideally). That could be 2 boxes > with 2 tuners or 1 backend with 4 tuners. While Jarod answered your rought question, your wording belies the common misconception about what the hdtv tuner cards do. They do almost nothing (they are only expensive because they are small volume.) They just receive a digital bitstream off the air, and your PC does nothing but write it to disk. It takes effectively zero CPU to do this, you could fill your machine with cards and barely notice it as it recorded 5 shows at once. While the pchdtv-3000 also has a raw NTSC capture component (not yet fully supported in myth) the ATSC tuner does nothing else. It can't take HDTV from a cable box or satellite box. It can't encode mpegs or decode them.It can (just recently) receive non-encrypted digital cable (a tiny fraction of the cable channels, but often including the local HD ones.) It's just a radio receiver and demodulator of a pre-compressed, pre-encoded bitstream. The UTV, like other boxes, has NTSC tuner cards including an mpeg encoder for each tuner. Your HD tuner card won't do this. In the future, proper support for the raw NTSC capture will be in place and you could record NTSC -- but that will take CPU, a fair chunk of it, to record to mp4, and so you probably would not be able to record 2 mp4s, for example, and also watch hdtv, though right now I have not heard anybody benchmark what it takes to do this. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Slightly OT: MythTV as Senior Project?
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 06:35:03PM -0600, Andrew Close wrote: > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:29:03 -0800, Ross Campbell > > > A mythweb interface > > that would allow scheduling of on/off events would be very nice, and > > it would be very cool to have a trigger for X10 events before and > > after watching recordings and livetv - you know... dim the lights, > > turn off hallway light when watching tv/recordings and then bring > > lights back up/on after exiting to main menu. > > oooh, i want that feature. that would kick @$$! > i originally thought that building X10 stuff into Myth was kinda > overkill since you could use the X10 remote or something like > misterhouse to handle that functionality. but i didn't consider being > able to run macros from events within Myth. one less step and several > notches up on the coolness factor. ;) There are probably other programs out there, but if somebody wants to code this, I wrote a C program long ago that controls the x-10 serial controller on linux that could be used.Certainly for people who want to show off a home theatre effect it would be cool. The serial controller, unfortunately, does not let you bring lights down. If you ask it to set a given dimmer setting, it first makes the light full bright, then drops it down to the dimmer setting. So you can bring the lights down but only bring them full up fast. Different hardware is less restrictive. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Are transcoded files supposed to play in mplayer?
I recently transcoded a variety of shows using the internal myth transcoder, scaling down to 352x480 mp4 from pvr-250 recorded mp2 files. They play fine in myth's internal player, but I had intended to move them over to be long term videos, and I find that mplayer has all sorts of problems with them. For one, the aspect ratio is lost, so you have to tell mplayer the actual aspect ratio, but more importantly not too long into the videos mplayer crashes, with output similar to what is seen below. Are these transcodes expected to play in mplayer? My goal for recordings is to keep them around as full size mp2 for a while, then transocde them down to smaller mp4 (but still in the regular myth recordings) and then to later move some of them to longer term holding in the mythvideo directory or dvd. I seem to recall this working before, is something new happening because of the scale-down? Since the general impression is that ntsc doesn't deliver much more than 352 pixels wide, it seems like a good idea to scale long-term recordings down to that. - Movie-Aspect is 0.73:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect. VO: [x11] 352x480 => 352x480 Planar YV12 Shared memory not supported Reverting to normal Xlib SwScaler: using unscaled Planar YV12 -> BGR 16-bit special converter [mpeg4 @ 0x86af7f0]warning: first frame is no keyframe5% 1.1% 3 0 [mpeg4 @ 0x86af7f0]warning: first frame is no keyframe8% 2.4% 0 0 Marker bit missing before time_increment_resolution% 78% 1.3% 0 0 Marker bit missing before fixed_vop_rate [mpeg4 @ 0x86af7f0]header damaged Error while decoding frame! VDec: vo config request - 1753 x 4832 (preferred csp: Planar YV12) VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0) Movie-Aspect is 0.73:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect. VO: [x11] 1753x4832 => 3544x4832 Planar YV12 Shared memory not supported Reverting to normal Xlib X11 error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: decode_video ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Is it legal to archive and collect episodes?
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 05:18:28PM -0500, Sean Cier wrote: > Brad Templeton wrote: > > > >If the flag is > >set, you have protected content. A tuner is forbidden from handing > >protected content in digital form to a device that is not "trusted" > >to further honor the protection. > > > >Some things you can do: > [...] > >e) Put out digital audio, but at no better than CD quality > > Please say this isn't true. Is this seriously part of the FCC mandate? > Are they seriously going to obselete nearly every receiver out there with > DD/AC-3 and DTS support? This has got to be an installed base comparable > to -- maybe great than -- even the current sum total of HDTV owners! Sorry, I was copying another article I read which said this. The actual regulation does allow AC-3. The quality limit is 48,000 khz (they really mean samples per second I think) at 16 bits/sample. So your existing AC-3 equipment is fine. However, the killing of DVI is indeed in the spec -- no DVI over 720x480x 30fps. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv, nvidia and DVI mystery
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 03:54:56PM -0600, Neil wrote: > Brad Templeton writes: > > > It's totally different from interlace artifacts. Here is an example of how > I am understanding on what you meant by interlaced artifacts - > http://neuron2.net/LVG/inthead.jpg Please correct me if I am wrong. Yes, those are interlace artifacts. These only occur on moving objects, however, not on stationary ones. Smart deinterlacers know the difference between moving objects and stationary ones, and deinterlace differently. If your TV is native 720p, like many Mitsubishis, the main reason to run 1080i video at 1080i is that the TV probaly has a high quality hardware deinterlacer in it you would then take advantage of. It is carefully tuned to reduce 1080i to your native resolution. If your software will do it better than the TV, better to run at 720p and have myth do it. But all myth offers are things like linear blend (which blurs moving objects a lot) and bob (which works well with some artifacts and some shimmer on certain things.) > If so, then, it's different. I only see mine in just 1 line but random Y > coordinates. It only happens on very fast moving objects. Here is an > example. Like in the program American Idol, I don't know if you have that > program. During a presentation of a performer, behind her is a large flat Unfortunately, we do have it, but I don't record it. But American Idol is on Fox, and Fox transmits at 720p, not 1080i. You definitely should not be taking a 720p signal and running it to your TV at 1080i, especially if your TV is not native 1080 lines. If you have a native 720 line TV like my Mitsubishi, avoid this like the plague. Use RANDR. > Overscan? I guess, overscan only has something to do with picture being > larger than my hdtv. Fortunately, mythfrontend comes with X&Y offsets, size > that we can tweak. And with that, I am able to size my watching to almost > 99% of my hdtv screen. The problem I see with overscan is that I don't know what happens when you send a 1080i signal in that is not being downscaled at the ratio the TV is tuned for on other 1080i signals it gets, like from the tuner. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Slightly OT: MythTV as Senior Project?
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 04:34:15PM -0500, Joseph A. Caputo wrote: > On Friday 04 March 2005 14:19, Brad Templeton wrote: > > Excepting, of course, the search facilities which use a keyboard > Simple text can be entered using the remote, as with a cell phone > keypad. If the search text boxes don't support this, they should be > converted to use the Myth text input widget that handles this. It might. I would have to imagine users would be pretty desperate to do it this way. I greatly hate tivo's alphabetic input mode as well (though at least it's 2D, Myth's finder is 1D, as is SA-HD3000s) Of course I remain amazed at what people will text on cell phones. > Any reasonble 'universal' remote has plenty of buttons for the common > playback functions; anyway, for this particular feature, why require a > browser, keyboard & mouse for something that is being proposed for a > single button press? The problem is that, especially since the universal remotes do not have myth labels on them (unless they are smart screen remotes) we are now past the number of buttons a user can be expected to remember. Part of that is we have a large number of seeking methods: Seek 30s and -8s Seek +10M and -10m Seek +/-(n) minutes Enter time stretch mode (and all its settings) 2x and 3x smooth FF and Rew 5x -> 180x jerky FF and Rew Some are combined using sticky keys: But I will use them all. (In fact it might be time for a unified FF/Rewind which merges time stretch, 3xFF and 5-180xFF) In live tv add channel change, brwose mode, channel history, tuner change and input change as a real function. Then you've got edit mode, the menu key, info key, volume, pause, stop/quit, closed caption, aspect ratio, picture adjustments, fav channels, sleep, seek in ringbuffer, change audio stream > I'm looking at this feature more broadly. It would be really nice if > basic Myth scheduling features could be accomplished without exiting > playback. The EPG already supports this in LiveTV mode; I've long been > in support of extending this feature to other screens. I don't think > that would be an 'obscure' feature. I wish I had time to code it > myself; I keep hoping someone with the time & expertise eventually has > the same 'itch'. I guess you watch more ads (and more live TV) than I do. I have to admit that on the Tivo, which put more effort into live TV, I watched a little more live TV than on the Myth, where I effectively watch none. But it's definitely true if you are going to watch live tv, you need to be able to pause it and do anything else, just as you can while watching a recorded show. Not sure why there is a strong need to do things without pausing, but to each their own tastes, of course. Presumably Tivo's own code can be reverse engineered if VBI is available. However, as far as interesting methods to pick TV are concerned, I think an even more interesting trick would be a web plug in which allows people to make links which cause a person's myth to record a show.Thus I could put a link in a document and if you clicked on it, your myth box would record as it requested -- with confirmation of course. I already have the logic in tvwish for remote creation of recording requests. In theory zap2it or tv guide could even put in these links so you could be browsing their listsings and click to record in myth. Or somebody's blog.Anybody got experience writing browswer plugins and want to help? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Is it legal to archive and collect episodes?
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 02:57:53PM -0600, Andrew Close wrote: > On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:42:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it legal to archive and collect episodes? > > > > I've read alot of references that it is and that it isn't, legal. > > I can see how we have fair use to record a show for our personal use, but > > doesn't collecting episodes go beyond that? Especially when the same series > > is retailed on DVD... > > i'm pretty sure there are works in progress to outlaw this shortly. > ;) > actually, with the broadcast flag this is a good possibility. the > broadcast flag can be set in a couple of different ways (please > correct me if i'm wrong, i didn't read the spec). it can be set to > prevent the recording of a show, it can also be set to permit the > recording of a show but with an expiration date. it would also be > possible to set to permit the recording of a show allowing it to be > viewed only once.and with the new smart HDTV's it can be > set to allow recording but played only once to a specific > audience... Such stuff is talked about for extensions of what the bits mean, but as far as I recall the flag ruling is currently binary. If the flag is set, you have protected content. A tuner is forbidden from handing protected content in digital form to a device that is not "trusted" to further honor the protection. Some things you can do: a) Put it out analog ports b) Put it out a DVI port at no more than EDTV resolution. c) Put it back out as ATSC or QAM with the flag intact d) Put it out 5C blessed ports, like DTVlink (firewire) to 5C blessed devices e) Put out digital audio, but at no better than CD quality But what you can't do : a) Put it out over an open digital port b) Leave it on disk where any old software can read it in the clear c) Stream it to unblessed DRM enabled software So you _can_ build an HDTivo, ie. a locked box that records the video and plays it out analog component video to a TV. You can't allow the user inside, though. You can't build an open box, however as that would let the user at the video stream. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Is it legal to archive and collect episodes?
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 03:42:01PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is it legal to archive and collect episodes? > > I've read alot of references that it is and that it isn't, legal. > I can see how we have fair use to record a show for our personal use, but > doesn't collecting episodes go beyond that? Especially when the same series > is retailed on DVD... > > I guess, vice versa, if we have the right to record/collect, then the retails > DVD they are only marketing the convenience of the whole set on DVD and bonus > content that may come with them. Perhaps the answer will become more clear when we go before the Supreme Court on a case over updating the Betamax decision on the 29th. (Or rather, when they rule.) You won't find the exact answer to your question in the Betamax Decision http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=464&invol=417 But you will find some hints. In this case, the justices ruled that time-shifting programs was a fair use, not a copyright infringement. It is somewhat accepted that once you have made a recording in that fashion, you could change your mind and keep it, or do any number of other first-sale-rights actions with it. This gets messy. For example, if I record a show to watch later, and then should happen to sell the MythBox with the recording on it, that seems legal. Deliberately recording tapes just so I can sell them smells illegal. Recording for the express purpose of building an archive? Interesting question. The Sony ruling is both narrower than many people believe, and wider than the MPAA and RIAA believes. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Audio Authority 9A60 questions
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 08:47:05AM -0500, Robert Tsai wrote: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 09:04:33PM -0800, Jarod Wilson wrote: > > On Thursday 03 March 2005 20:15, Robert Tsai wrote: > > > I have a Toshiba 42H83 RPTV that will do a > > > severely-overscanned-but-presentable 960x540p (856x480 viewable > > > area) and an also-severely-overscanned 720x480p (didn't bother > > > figuring out what the exact viewable area). The Toshiba manual > > > claims the DVI input can accept 1080i, 720p, 540p, 480p, 480i, but > > > I've read on some other forums that Toshiba has acknowledged this > > > to be false. And get-edid fails to retrieve anything from my TV. > > > > That's fairly typical, many HDTVs don't give out any DDC/EDID info. > > > > > Can I aspire to something better with the 9A60? > > > > Nope, its pretty much entirely manual. Gotta find the right modeline > > and tell X to use it to drive your HDTV. I wrote a little bit on the > > subject a while back: > > > > http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/mythhd.php > > Ah. I see. > > Your HDTV has no DVI or VGA option, so you *had* to get some kind of > component output adapter for anything better than S-Video or > composite. > > But given that my TV does have a DVI input, are you saying that the > 9A60 won't give me anything better than what I can do with DVI today, > or is it possible that the TV might accept different (e.g., > better-than-540p) resolutions over component video than it can over > DVI? Almost certainly. My understanding is that it is quite common for set top boxes from the cable and satellite companies to output 1080i on component video as their standard form. An HDTV that can't take 1080i over component video would not be much of an HDTV. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Mythtv, nvidia and DVI mystery
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 06:27:20AM -0600, Neil wrote: > Hey guys, I've done some testing regarding the mystery I'm experiencing > with mythtv, nvidia and DVI. > > Check it out at > > http://restricted.dyndns.org/mystery.html > > comments are greatly appreciated... > So I guess what we're getting is that on the newer 6600 class cards, DVI at 1080i works without the interlace bug. I think we heard that from somebody else. By "tearing" do you mean interlace artifacts? The whole point of running at 1080i on a TV whose native resolution is 1280x720 is to get rid of those. Perhaps overscan is doing you in? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Slightly OT: MythTV as Senior Project?
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 10:39:09AM -0500, Joseph A. Caputo wrote: > On Friday 04 March 2005 0:11, Brad Templeton wrote: > > If you don't already, get one of the super cheap lite-on or acer > > IR keyboards. Under 30 bucks and work great, I am typing on one > > at my tv set right now. > > (a) All of Myth core feature should be easy to operate with only a > remote. It's kind of a design principle. Excepting, of course, the search facilities which use a keyboard, and even playing video, which has too many different possible keys for most remotes, especially if people are to remember them. I understand the desire to allow operation from a remote. I think that myth (unlike say Tivo which only has a remote) should take advantage of the fact that you can expect users to have, if not a keyboard by the TV, at least mythweb elsewhere.I feel a good approach would be to decide what types of UI make sense when seated at the TV, and what types should be left to the browser, which is really much better at certain things.For example, even I, as a heavy user of the system, don't remember where all the different config screens are. I would strongly push to do at-the-tv config of only the most important and frequently changed config choices, and not confuse users' memories with the others there. However, my main point was that for this fairly obscure feature (obscure because most of us aren't even watching the commercials and thus aren't going to feel the need to be inspired to record by them) is decently handled by having a keyboard arround. My TV is hi-res, so mythweb is good for me. For those who have a lower res TV, myth does have search in its built in menus, though it is not very usuable from a remote, though unfortunately you can't access it while watching live tv if that was your situation. > (c) alt-tabbing to a browser window would obscure the playing video You would pause it, presumably. > > (d) ever try to do *anything* in a browser with sub-par TV-out? It'll > make you go blind faster than... well, you get the idea. Actually, yeah, before I got my HDTV I did. Bumping the font size makes it workable, though never that pleasant. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Slightly OT: MythTV as Senior Project?
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 09:31:33PM -0700, Garry Cook wrote: > responded and mentioned this Tivo feature, which I did not know > existed. It would be really cool IMHO, as I still do watch some live > TV. Right, but how hard is it to do alt-tab to get to your web browser, call up mythweb from your bookmarks and type in the name of the show? If you don't already, get one of the super cheap lite-on or acer IR keyboards. Under 30 bucks and work great, I am typing on one at my tv set right now. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV Presentation - Requesting Comments/Opinions
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 03:48:57PM -0600, Andy Long wrote: > Some other things you might mention: > -Ability to configure the frontend to have a multitude of different > themes. Can really make your box "stand out" as opposed to the more > generic Tivo/Replay themes Yet from a technology standpoint, could not be much less important. DVRs have generated a real revolution in how TV works, and MythTV is one of the leaders. But nobody, except a purist comparing the minutae of all the different types is going to think themability is one of the revolutions. > -Ability to add multiple capture cards to record 2, 3 or more shows at > a time. The most I've ever seen on a store bought box is two This does fit with the vision because part of the revolution is "not caring about when programs are on." Multiple tuners exist to fix one of the minor problems 1-tuner systems have in making that happen. > > -Ability to put it whatever casing you want. Can make it look much > nicer in the living room Again, this is style, not substance. Not that style isn't important, but the real revolution is in tech. > > -Full customizability. Only does what you want Interesting -- though in some cases this is actually a bug, not a feature. We all want to custom tune all the features to our exact needs, but the result is a system whose number of configuration choices is quite frightening to the typical home electronics user. Realize that the Tivo and the rest don't have all those configuration choices _deliberately_. They could have put them in. They decided not to. > > As for a comment: > > I love that MythTV gives me the power to control what I want to watch > and gives me more control over the interface than any commercial > product. How many other people can record 3 shows at once, and watch > whatever they've recorded in any room of their house? The multiple frontend thing is important (though it can also be found in other DVRs today, I think Replay had it first.) Myth's true vital difference is more abstract. It's ease of innovation. Consider that Tivo's big "innovations" of late have been things like Tivo to Go and Home Media Option. Even before MythTV had plugins for music or pictures, you were always running on an open linux box with access to all the other tools -- music players and jukeboxes, slideshow programs etc. They just didn't have a similar UI. TivoToGo? On Mythtv that's called "file copy" Two things attracted me to Myth. The open system where you could innovate, and support for HDTV. The ablity to innovate made me develop the TVWish program I just released here. I wanted to make that because I think it goes headlong at the revolutionary aspects of PVRs, changing not just how we watch our TV, but also what TV we watch. Myth and Tivo and the rest are still largely schedule oriented for non-series -- browse the movies and shows that are on the schedule for the next two weeks regularly, and pick shows to record. I wanted to reverse that -- list all the movies you are interested in watching, and they just show up. (Sort of like you might use netflicks.) But importing other people's recommendations goes a level beyond that so it's what I will explore next. But that's what I coded. Point is lots of people are out there coding things they want. Many of them are of no interest to most of the users but there are so many that you will get new things of value. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Torrentocracy Patch against Mythtv-cvs
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 01:59:04PM -0800, Aaron Stewart wrote: > Not necessarily so.. Depending on reception quality (I know that my > channel 3 comes in worse than most), there may be more or less latency in > blank frame detection. Ditto to positions that are set by user when > flagging. > You don't need supreme accuracy on this level. If you have an error level, you just buffer a bit, at the risk of showing the user a second or two of something boring like a commercial. They can always pick up the remote and correct manually if it gets too far off, this is what we do with automatic commercial detect. But the truth is you don't use just one approach. You have a lot of ways of looking at it. Since most users will have NTP, you have of course the exact time for people watching the same broadcast. Then you have any clues you could pick out of the show, from the existing detection of commercial stuff (blank frames, scene transitions, logo on-off etc.) You have VBI information, in particular the closed captioning.I have not had the chance to look at different streams from different broadcasters, but I strongly suspect that the closed captioning is synced to the video once and exactly once, and if you have a frame with a caption on it, it's the exact same frame (or very close) everywhere the show is broadcast. (No good on stuff without captions of course.) All of these things could quickly lead you to learn that most users skipped over a given section of video, and thus identify it as boring. Not that this is an easy project, this is one of the more complex things on the large mythtv wishlist. But I think it's doable. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Torrentocracy Patch against Mythtv-cvs
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 03:30:46PM -0500, Joseph A. Caputo wrote: > On Thursday 03 March 2005 14:51, Brad Templeton wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 08:53:01AM -0800, Chris Petersen wrote: > > > This is pretty standard -- shows are edited such that there are > > > commercial breaks in certain places. However, it does NOT account > > > for > > > the commercial breaks being the same length in each region > > > (remember, > > > commercials are regional things). > > > > Over time this is solved once you have enough people watching your > > exact profile of show. That's easy for all the cable networks, > > everybody watches exactly the same show on Discovery Channel (even the > > same east and west.) I think it's also true for prime time network > > programming, they are all on the same tight schedule. > > No; cable providers & broadcast network affiliates can insert their own > ads in certain cases, AFAIK. They can, but it is my understanding that they just play them into the live stream, they don't change how anything else airs. Is this incorrect? Syndicated shows, distributed in advance, can be edited, as can some network shows (there have been stations who, in order to get more commercial time, speed shows up by a few percent.) In these cases you would indeed have to share information only with people who watched the same show at the same time on the same channel. However, there are lots of cases (and I still suspect most cable and all satellite broadcasts) where there is only one source. The algorithm I describe, where you note changes wrt events in the show rather than the exact time, work even then, they only fail in the case of time stretch differing from station to station. Note that with digital TV, such as HDTV broadcasts, you are getting an identical byte-stream for the program in many cases, so you can actually generate hashes of the frames to identify where you are in the program. Though I would use the center lines of the frame in case a local station is adding any kind of logo or OSD by re-editing the mpeg. I think that's pretty rare. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Torrentocracy Patch against Mythtv-cvs
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 08:53:01AM -0800, Chris Petersen wrote: > This is pretty standard -- shows are edited such that there are > commercial breaks in certain places. However, it does NOT account for > the commercial breaks being the same length in each region (remember, > commercials are regional things). Over time this is solved once you have enough people watching your exact profile of show. That's easy for all the cable networks, everybody watches exactly the same show on Discovery Channel (even the same east and west.) I think it's also true for prime time network programming, they are all on the same tight schedule. If not, you need to find other people in your town, which will eventually happen. If you are tired of waiting for this, there are ways to make this work. You start by building a signature map for the program based on detection of scene transitions (key frames etc.) and all the other transitions the commercial flagger uses. These transitions form a fingerprint for sections of the show. Ie. this section had a 20 second scene, followed by a 31.5 second scene, and a 8.3 second scene etc. Such fingerprints would be unique. You can also, when there is closed captioning, and it's coming from the network feed, just not the exact frames of the exact pieces of text. Highly precise. Anyway, now you record user actions not just based on the NTP time, but relative to these points. Ie. "The user hit fast forward 9.3 seconds after the frame with the closed caption text 'foo'". Now you have something that works everywhere. > > Also, don't forget that some people record before/after shows, and myth > is never 100% accurate in the time you give it (I'm set to record an Actually, my myth is _always_ 100% accurate on the time. It is the networks that are off. If you run NTP and are live on the internet, you will always have very very good time. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Torrentocracy Patch against Mythtv-cvs
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 10:50:57AM -0500, Maverick wrote: > > Actually, where it would come in handy is not just commercials (which > > software today can detect) but other things like pitching changes, boring > > academy awards acceptance speeches, long driving scenes to no purpose etc. > > That's cool. Of course implementing this using a central server of > some sort will be easier. Is the MythTV project (users) opposed to > server centric information sharing, such as flagged commercials? I think the approach is fairly straightforward. While a user is watching a program, you would build a map. At its most basic, a map for every second of the program that indicates how the user watched it, namely: Watched at normal playback speed (or slower) Watched at a timestretch acceleration > 1.4 Watched at a slow FF speed Watched at a fast FF speed Skipped using seek button Skipped using commercial skip button Didn't watch at all (ie. terminated viewing before watching) Anyway, as the user watches, figure this out and store it in the database. Upon quitting the program, compress the data (since most seconds will look just like the adjacent seconds) into a series of transitions between watching modes. Send that, along with programid, channel id and ntp calculated time index for the start of the show. (Users on dial-ups and otherwise not running ntp would not be permitted to provide data, though with extra work you could possibly bring them in.) The central system receives the data anonymously, ideally via tor. For things like sports, you would want to send up data before the program is finished, for the eager viewers. It then overlays the maps on top of one another. Soon the transition points converge. You throw out the extremes and you have a very accurate map. The map contains correct cut points, and also figures about how many viewers did not watch a section at regular playback speed. Thus, for example, an interesting ad that caught people's eyes might have a lower skip percentage. In a sporting event you would start to identify non-breaks and put up a note on the screen, "20% of users made a 15 second skip here" -- over things like a pick-off duel or a mound conference etc. Then the server allows boxes to pull down this accurate map when getting ready to watch a program, and update it during the watching. Expect a lot of bandwidth. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Torrentocracy Patch against Mythtv-cvs
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 08:39:06AM -0700, Garry Cook wrote: > I've had my MythTV box up for a little over a week now, and one thing > that really kills me is when I see a commercial (watching live TV of > course) for a program that is of interest. What do I do? Stop watching > and go schedule it? Write it down on a list I keep on the coffee > table? It would be great if I could just hit a button and have the > program touted in the commercial scheduled. As you probably know, if the advertiser buys this ability, the Tivo does exactly this. A little icon appears during the ad to tell you to push your thumbs-up button to record the advertised show. I don't think this works well as a collaborative system, do people really want to make records of where shows are advertised? I don't see it. You could start noticing, "Hey, after viewing this ad, 20 people went and queued the following recording" and then offer it as a choice, but frankly, this feature is pretty un-exciting.Admittedly because I use a keyboard not a remote control, so for me, in the unlikely event I even _see_ an ad, I can just pause, bring up mythweb, type in the name and record it all in a very few seconds. > Perhaps the TWish beta that's being talked about will help with this > issue, but wow, wouldn't that just be the nutz?!?! Tvwish's current goals are more along the lines of "If some person (or somebody amalgamating the opinions of many) puts up a recommendation for a show on the web, your Mythtv will record it." ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Broadcast Flag Article mentions MythTV and quotes Issac
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 11:56:29AM -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote: > You are missing the point of the problem. Software like Myth will not > even get access to the content to strip/remove/skip/ignore the flag. > The knowledge (i.e. programming specs) needed to get the information > from the HDTV capture card will not be available to a project like Myth > for those very reasons. > > Sure, it could be reverse engineered for every device out there but > that's a long hard road. It's a very complex path. Somebody could build a box using mythtv which complies with the broadcast flag. It would have to be a "locked" box like the Tivo (which also is just a PVR application running on linux) where the user does not have access to the OS or files, just the ability to run the application. It would have to store all video on disk encrypted (as the tivo does) to prevent you from opening the box and taking out the hard disk full of unencrypted video files. Not only can this be done, but that's how all cable set top boxes and satellite boxes etc. are going to be required to work if they want to get broadcast digital TV and are sold after July 1. Nothing stops such a box from running Myth. The GPL only requires that the vendor of the box publish the source to any changes they make to myth or linux.You will be able to read the code where they block you from access, but not change it. Like the Tivo series 2, such boxes will probably (if they want to get approval from satellite companies or cable companies) have a ROM that checksums the kernel before booting, to assure the user has not changed the code on the disk.Tivo users found a way around this but it took them lots of work. You can also replace the roms in some cases. Defeating some of these tricks may be a DMCA violation however, especially if it gets you access to data that's supposed to be encypted. As noted the GPL does not stop somebody from building a locked box, an embedded system, using GPLd code. It may or may not piss off the developers -- and frankly I would not want to be building such a box with the developers pissed off at me -- but that's to be seen. For example, linux core developers did not seem very bothered that Tivo comes with a linux inside that users are unable to modify. --- To another point in this thread, explaining to consumers why the flag is bad. Alas, it doesn't stop you from doing rewind/ff. Locked boxes can do anything they want as long as they don't leak out the unencrypted digital video in full-res form.Locked boxes get another big leg-up, because for digital cable and satellite, they get access to the raw compressed streams from those services, no need for any mpeg encoder at all. So consumers will buy them. The real danger is more subtle -- it's the death of innovation. Compare a DVD player from 10 years ago to one today, and look at the features for playing videos. They are almost identical, just a lot cheaper today. 10 years and almost no innovation. Compare that to all the other technologies in media! MythTV seems to add a new feature several times a week. Compare that to the locked boxes like the Tivo, or Scientific Atlanta etc. That's the real killer and it's hard to show folks. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Commercial Skip
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 08:56:34AM -0500, James Armstrong wrote: > > > >>While I'm writing, I have a wishlist request: it'd be nice to be able > >>to have the automatic skipping start 1 or 2 seconds after the > >>beginning of the commercial (the number should be configurable and > >>could default to zero, or course). The reason is that sometimes the > >>skips are so perfect that I can't tell whether I missed any of the > >>show. > > How about a configurable feature for Commercial flagging that will not > save any 'supposed' commercials over xx minutes. I have been having good > luck with commercial flagging lately but there is an occasional > commercial that is flagged and is over 5 or 6 minutes and is bogus. I > think most of my commercials are only a few minutes long so ignoring > ones longer than that would cut out some bad commercial flagging. Such long gaps do exist, though they are rare, and one presumes the flagging algorithm settles on them only when it feels it should. However, an intermediate solution to your problem would be to set it so that if the gap found is very long, to turn it into two adjacent gaps, using the 2nd most likely cut-point, no matter how poorly it scored compared to the 6 minute one. For those doing auto-skip, they would see no difference, the points are adjacent. For those doing manual skip, they would just be hitting the End button one extra time. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Torrentocracy Patch against Mythtv-cvs
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 02:14:58AM -0500, Maverick wrote: > You must be on the same wave length of me and my friends. We where > recently talking about this functionality, so only the first person > mark commercials (manual, ie, not auto flagged) and submit their > locations to the network. Then everyone else has perfectly commercial > free viewing. For any time that show ever airs, it's likely to be the > same too. You will find this suggestion from me in a number of threads in the past (I think I first suggested it to the Replay guys 5 years ago but they never did anything with it.) It will happen. > > THE MAN would definitely dislike this idea, and IANAL, but I certainly > can't seeing it being illegal. There's no obligation to watching > commercials or using any sort of technology to skip them, as far as I > know. Actually, where it would come in handy is not just commercials (which software today can detect) but other things like pitching changes, boring academy awards acceptance speeches, long driving scenes to no purpose etc. > > Issac already expressed he doesn't want any technology that's central > server centric (ala Napster was), at least that's the way I understood > his post about that. Maybe I misunderstood. Actually what he said recently that sounded like this was that what he meant was he wants to insist that a recommendation system be centralized on his personal server. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] upgrading from CVS?
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 05:21:04PM -0600, M S wrote: > Hi! > >I've been running CVS for a while now, but everytime I upgrade I'm > not sure I'm doing it the best (read: correct) way. What is the best > way to upgrade a current myth install from CVS to a newer version of > CVS? I appreciate that help! :) cvs update -dP In each of your checked out directories, then make distclean and make install in the mythtv package (to put the libraries in) and then make distclean and make install in your plugins of choice. Normally "cvs update" will do it but it doesn't bring in new directories where there will be if you have not imported for a while. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] can this list go on gmane?
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:56:04 -0600, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 04:14:21PM -0500, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > Allow me to head this off... > > > > An earlier attempt to mirror the lists to gmane was made; Isaac wasn't all > > that > > happy with it. It might happen again later, or not. > > Do you know why? I believe it had something to do with someone, at some point, submitting the list to gmane without Isaac's knowledge or consent. That resulted in large amounts of spam to list members. Hence, Isaac isn't thrilled about travelling that road again. At least that's what I recall. I'm sure if you just visited the archives at gossamer-threads and did a simple search on gmane you'd turn up plenty of good info as this has been discussed at length several times. In fact, the gmane/forum vs. mailing list discussion is probably one of the most frequent OT posts on this list. Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] parts list
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 01:17:05PM -0600, Bryce wrote: > After a ton of digging through the archives, the great responses to my > mainboard query, and searching around on Newegg, here's what I've come up > with for my parts list: > > Video: leadtek geforce 6600 pci-e $109 > Case: Coolermaster ATC-620-BX1: $80 > CPU: Intel P4 630 LGA 775 $245 > Mainboard: gigabyte GA-8I915G-MF $95 > Memory: 2 x 512 DDR PC-3200 $46.51 ($93) > Capture: HD-3000 $179 > HD: Maxtor 160GB $40 AR > PSU: Unknown yet $60? Probably more CPU than you need (it's your most expensive part). Of course it never hurts to have more CPU, but it does generate more heat, and heat == noise. Also more memory than you strictly need, but you're getting a very good price for pc3200 512s. Probably less disk than you need. You can only get so many disks in a box (not just because of slots, but because of power supply and controllers) so I am loathe to buy below 200gb these days, even though it is slightly more expensive than the 160gb "sweet spot". Consider looking for 5400 rpm drive instead of 7200 if you can get a good price. Less power, less heat, less noise, in theory more reliable. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] TVWish easier install
For the person who was keen on an rpm of tvwish, I didn't make on but I did simplify the install. It should work on most distros. Now you just have to unpack the tarball and type "make install". You need not and should not be root. Just be yourself or mythtv. tar xvf tvwish.tar cd tvwish make install (I recommend, however, doing some testing and customizing first as per the install docs.) That will set you up in a default configuration, running the program once a day at 6pm, and wishlisting the top movies of all time, and the pilot episodes of the top series of all time, plus a few other things. You can hand tune the rest later. The program, TVWish, can be found with tarball and documentation at: http://www.templetons.com/brad/myth/tvwish.html ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Announcing TVWish Beta -- A super wishlist for Myth
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 04:41:32PM -0500, Isaac Richards wrote: > > If you want to amalgamate data from other users, I am not sure how to > > efficiently do that with a server running on your own machine. You could > > have people just upload anonymized data to an open server which simply > > gathers the raw data, and then the user's own machine sucks it down and > > analyses it to generate suggestions. That seems to involve a lot of > > data flow, or am I missing your goal. > > When I meant my machine, I meant mythtv.org - if there's going to be CF done > in myth, I just want to make sure it's done right (ie., open, anon as I can > make it, etc). Ah. Well, if I had gotten around to coding it it was going to go to my own machine for similar reasons. :-) Maintaining this would be a moderate chunk of work, surprised you want more on the plate. Generally, the approach I would take is to encourage people to install "tor", a software package we are sponsoring which provides anonymous internet traffic. It's also possible that somebody semi-trusted could run a semi-open TOR proxy for people who don't want to install TOR themselves. If the user runs TOR, it should be close to impossible for the receiving site to learn the IP of the sender. With the semi-open proxy (by which I mean open but only for myth data sending) it would be possible for that site to look at the data going through, but if you encrypted the data for the target, it could be secure without their collusion.This is a bit messy, so it may also make sense to say "install tor if you want privacy, otherwise you can't be sure of it." Tor is available in the apt-tree for debian, and I think for other distros. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Announcing TVWish Beta -- A super wishlist for Myth
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 03:58:55PM -0500, Isaac Richards wrote: > On Monday 28 February 2005 11:30 pm, Gabe Rubin wrote: > Just for the record - For a recommendation engine built into myth, I'd want > the db running on _my_ machine, with the data + server covered under > appropriate oss licenses. 'MythRecommend' doesn't do that. There are many types of suggestion engines I have been thinking about. Many people are familiar with Tivo's, which takes the log of what you have recorded, or given thumbs up/down to, and remembers things like titles, genres, actors and such. It then scans all new programming and gives weights to how closely they match what it remembers and generates suggestions from the best weights. One could code this for myth without any external data (though right now myth I believe discards much of this information once a show has past, or so I gather from looking at the tables that appear to contain it.) If you want to amalgamate data from other users, I am not sure how to efficiently do that with a server running on your own machine. You could have people just upload anonymized data to an open server which simply gathers the raw data, and then the user's own machine sucks it down and analyses it to generate suggestions. That seems to involve a lot of data flow, or am I missing your goal. Generally I don't think you need to work a lot on finding new series to watch. There are only so many series out there and a lot of existing tools, from reading reviews to talking to friends, help us pick what series we'll check out. An automatic tool might do it a bit faster but also less accurately. Of greater interest are movies and specials and particular episodes. When it comes to movies, there are of course many ways to hunt for those. Once found they can easily be imported into tvwish or even mythtv's own search profiles. (I originally wrote tvwish under another name as just a bulk importer of mythtv search requests, but I decided it made more sense to put these in a standalone program and not attempt a remote-control based interface for them.) Specials are different. Unlike series they are many and change every week, so a system to identify good specials in advance makes sense. The really interesting thing for me is episodes. We know what series are out there, and telling us what people are recording might help us there but what is much more interesting is how _good_ an episode is, which can only be learned after people watch it, or from the newspaper TV critics who get the episodes in advance on tape/dvd. By the way, I think it would be really interesting if somebody became a tvwish style critic, creating a daily file of recommendations to import, and could then go to the studios and say, "5,000 people download my recommendations every day and automatically record what I watch." That might get them on the list to get the advance dvds/tapes just like newspaper critics. Probably help if they did a blog for people who can't auto import the recommendations. (Also on my list is an attempt to add a 'Notes' column to the myth database where people or programs can enter notes about programs. This would include critics adding a note about why they recommend a show, or users of mythtv adding notes for themselves or the other users of their system. Ie. 'Mary, watch this!!!' and so on.) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Removing Parts of Myth
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:06:53 -0500, Thom Paine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 3) Disable GNOME/KDE and use a lightweight windowmanager like fluxbox, > > fvwm, etc. > > I'd like to explore this option. I'm currently using gnome, but had > heard that fluxbox was faster for something like this. I'll look into > it more. Take a look at the ratpoison and blackbox window managers. I used blackbox for a long time on my mythbox as it's very lightweight, but I eventually ran into some focus problems (mplayer and xine would start up behind the myth menu window so you could never actually view movies, only hear them). When I had those problems I switched to ratpoison which is extremely lightweight and have never had another problem since. It definitely made a HUGE difference in startup time moving from KDE to ratpoison on my Athlon 1600+. Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Looking for a mainboard
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 03:40:49PM -0500, Angel Li wrote: > Brad Templeton wrote: > > >On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 11:37:51AM -0600, Bryce wrot > > > >> > >>Actually, while the current myth transcoding tools are not designed for > >>dealing with the multiple resolutions that come from HD, I have found > >>you can transcode 1080i to either 1280x720px30fps or if you like > >>1280x540 and get a very good, high-def recording in under 2gb per hour. > >> > >> > >> > >> > I was wondering how long your script takes to generate the 1280x720 file > for a typical 1 hour HD recording. Also, what type/speed CPU are you using? Oh, it ain't fast at all, especially 2 pass. Probably about 3 hours. It varies. An athlon 3000. You can speed it up a lot by taking out some of the quality options. I haven't done a full raft of experiments to see what you really need. Note mythtranscode is just one pass. Definitely something you want to do in late-night background jobs. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] [OT] 1080i
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 09:50:01AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Brad Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > So this leaves me with the Audio Authority 9A60. Does going out > > > the VGA port work around the nvidia interlace bug? I've seen > > > this implied, but I don't think anybody has actually come out and > > > said it. If this works, why are people (from the 6600GT thread) > > > so eager to ditch their 9A60? > > > > The VGA port will not have the interlace bug, you can make it work > > using the Audio authority. > > Great. Thanks. > > > Your TV may be one of the ones that actually has 1080 lines so if that's > > true you will want the full res. For 720/768 line TVs, running at that > > resolution and having xv downscale is actually a good choice. > > I wish there was some way to know. The TV itself offers 1080i > (actually 1920x540p) and 480p modes via ddc. But the docs say it > supports 720p also via DVI. > > The interesting thing is that my powerbook finds 2 modes. 1920x540p > (which looks awful, and there is no way to get a mac to interlace), > and 720p. I wish I knew where it was getting the 720p mode from. It seems to be the case that most TVs over the EDID do not report interlaced resolutions and instead offer 1920x540. Almost every HDTV will take 1080i input, and that is what many set top boxes do as their output. Remarkably, only some TVs will take 720p, even a few of the TVs for which that is the native resolution!!! This is improving. Very few TVs actually can handle 1080 lines. The Sony XBR and some other traditional CRTs do. (After all, we have had 1080 lines on traditional CRTs for ages, I am typing this on one.) If there are plasma or LCD TVs with 1080 lines they are very rare and very, very expensive. Ditto DLP or LCoS. If you paid less than about $7,000 for a non-CRT it is probably not 1080 lines. Rear CRT projection I am less sure of. They have little 7" and 9" CRTs inside, and the number of lines they can do depends on their electronics etc. but they could be capable of it. However, my own examination suggested that whatever their electronics can do, their optics might not be up to it. Somewhere your tv's manual should talk about its native resolution, though there are cases of tvs that lie about this, and call the native res the format they convert all signals to. For example, a TV that converts 480i to 1080i first before scaling it to 1280x720 might well pretend that 1080i is the native res. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Looking for a mainboard
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 11:37:51AM -0600, Bryce wrote:
> On Tue, March 1, 2005 11:26 am, Joe Barnhart said:
> Really? I hadn't seen that. I'll have to do some more reading. (Like I
> don't have enough to research about this crazy project already! ). I
> don't really have anything against Intel and usually spec my linux servers
> with dual Xeons. I just hate to pay the premium on Intel cpus for personal
> machines.
>
> > Oh, and your disk drive is way too small. HD eats up
> > video at 8G/hour. Your hard disk won't even hold a
> > week of programs.
>
> Oh I know, it's just a start. I figure I'll end up with 145-150GB of space
> for video, at 8G/hour that gives me 18 hours of HD storage. I don't have
> cable or anything so everything I grab will be "Network TV" and my wife
> and I watch no where near 18 hours a week of TV. I'll build a nice
> rackmounted backend in the basement sometime later.
>
Actually, while the current myth transcoding tools are not designed for
dealing with the multiple resolutions that come from HD, I have found
you can transcode 1080i to either 1280x720px30fps or if you like
1280x540 and get a very good, high-def recording in under 2gb per hour.
The trick is that for most HDTVs sold today that are DLP or LCD, the
native resolution is near 1280 x 720. So you lose no resolution
downscaling like that, and even the 1280x540 is giving you 75% of the
resolution, and allows perfect de-interlacing.
I have been doing my transcoding with manual scripts like this until such
time as the myth transcoder becomes multi-resolution. That's a hard
challenge though, because there are so many transcoding needs, including:
a) Drop 1080i to "TV native res" or "TV native width"x540p
b) Drop 720p to mp4 without loss of resolution
c) Drop 480p embedded in 1080i to 480p (crop and transcode and deint)
d) Drop 480p embedded in 720p to 480p (crop etc.)
e) Transcode 480i to 352x480i
#!/bin/bash
rate=${2:-3500}
scale=${3:-1280:-2}
#inter=ildct:ilme
inter=""
copts=autoaspect:$inter:mbd=2:v4mv:naq:cmp=3:subcmp=3
p=3
for pass in 1:turbo 2 ; do
mencoder $1 -vf pp=ci,scale=$scale -ovc lavc -lavcopts
vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=$rate:$copts:vpass=$pass -oac mp3lame -o out.avi
done
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Re: [mythtv-users] Announcing TVWish Beta -- A super wishlist for Myth
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 09:25:53AM -0500, Nicholas McCoy wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:59:50 -0800, Brad Templeton > Brad, have you looked at MythRecommend at all? Its a script you run > on your computer which uploads your recording schedule to a database > and then downloads lists of shows that were scheduled by others who > have the same shows scheduled as you. The output is fairly raw, which > makes it hard to use. > Another problem is it doesn't have a large user base, so there isn't > much information to draw correlations out of. This is a particularly > good reason to integrate TV Wish with MythRecommend. Why have 2 > starving recommendation systems when one can do the same job. Mythrecommend is hard to find, and it claims the upload is anonymous but it's not, your IP address (mine is static) will be recorded in the web logs. tvwish started as a giant wishlist, and series abridger, but the ablility to import your list from a web URL makes it work as a recommendation system for people who want to set themselves up as a critic. There is no shortage of critics in the world fortunately. However, down the road a rating system and recommendation system are in the plans. Do you know how many people upload data with mythrecommend? There are only 9 references to it on the whole web. > > I'm not sure how MythRecommend fairs in some of the things you worry > about. It appears to be pretty private. You only upload a list of > show titles, nothing about whether you actually watched or anything > like that. I don't know what protections they have against spam, but > I didn't have to set up an account to use it. Lists of what you read and watch are among the things you will find privacy advocates care the most about. Librarians, for example, destroy circulation records after books are returned so that people can't come and demand to see what people are reading. There is a long history of that. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Announcing TVWish Beta -- A super wishlist for Myth
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 01:38:06AM -0800, Ross Campbell wrote: > Would be nice to be able to also have an option for "Write a review on > IMDB" after watching a movie in the delete menu. I'd be far more > likely to actually write an IMDB review with that option :) If IMDB wants to code that, they should... > > I see that most of the Academy Award Best Picture winners were already > in the 'goodmovies.txt' list. I added the major competetitors for Best > Picture from the various years (which presumably are good movies too > :) Sure. Additions like this should go in a different file that can be included. There's no great harm in even doing the same request twice, just wasted CPU. > > It would be intersting to have separate files for winners of other > film festivals - off the top of my head, there's Golden Globes, Screen > Actors Guild, Cannes, and Sundance. Attached is a quick hack of > "Cannes.txt" - some international characters aren't right, and I'm not > entirely sure how the foreign equivalent of "The" should be entered > (i.e. before, or after), but it's a start. The trouble of course is you have to predict how the names will appear in the TV listings. Sometimes judicious use of "%" is a good idea, though you don't want to do it on every listing as that can start using CPU. > > Works great. FWIW, I chose to untar this into my mythtv install dir, > and I chose to take advantage of the /etc/cron.weekly dir to add a > simple executable that runs the cronjob. Seems like running once a day > is a might much to me. As a general policy, programs should not run as root that don't need to run as root. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Installation issue - Couldn't find package Synaptic
Thanks Jarrod, I didn't know that the RPM's were that dynamic. Still getting my skills up in linux, will use the forums next time. Thanks again for all your work mate. Cheers Brad On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:24:35 -0800, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 28 February 2005 20:21, Brad wrote: > > I noticed the same thing. It seemed like the > > atrpms-kickstart-25-1.rhfc3.at.i386.rpm part did not work properly and > > was conflicting with another package. It had an error with > > > > atrpms-package-config-91-1.rhfc3.at.i386.rpm > > > > I tried a re-install but no luck. Strange because in the last 2 weeks > > I have installed according to Jarrod wilsons instructions 3 or 4 times > > without this happening, then it happens 2 times in a row. > > The contents of ATrpms are pretty much always changing. Breakage happens from > time to time, or a new version of a package (like Synaptic, in this case) > downgrades the stability class to testing or bleeding. If you're not > comfortable tweaking things a little bit yourself, problems are usually > resolved pretty quickly, when reported through the proper channels (i.e., the > atrpms-user mailing list and/or bugzilla.atrpms.net). > > -- > Jarod Wilson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Got a question? Read this first... > http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > MythTV, Fedora Core & ATrpms documentation: > http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ > MythTV Searchable Mailing List Archive > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Announcing TVWish Beta -- A super wishlist for Myth
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 11:30:31PM -0500, Gabe Rubin wrote: > This sounds real interesting! > > I remember a little while ago there was discussion of Isaac allowing a > "trusted" someone to host a recommendation database that updates your > recording schedule. Basically an output of what you record and > recommendations based on what other people record, and this could be > done on a purly voluntary and anonymous basis. Would this program > allow for that functionality? It is the beginning of it. It can import from any web URL lists of recommended recordings (with weights.) If another program were to generate those lists based on data it gathered from users, it would do what you suggest. Indeed, long term I do envision modifying the delete menu (and perhaps others) to add a "Rate this program" option which would then let you put out positive and negative ratings after watching a show which would be fed to a web site that amalgamates them into recommendations. (Ideally you would want what's now called collaborative filtering on those so you use the reccys of people like yourself.) However, there are some interesting problems to solve to do this: a) Privacy -- one would suggest you install "tor" and the data be uploaded via that. which is hard to mix with b) Anti-spam -- how to stop studios and fans from flooding the data with recommendations for their choice? You can have accounts, which impairs the anonymity functions, so you need anonymous accounts with reputations So I suspect before we do that, we will start with something simpler, which is existing TV critics. We are going to try to get some to put up their recommendations -- you can become a critic yourself, all it takes is putting a text file on your web site with a list of shows and ratings -- and then we can write scripts to amalgamate the critics so that (like rottentomatoes or google movies) you auto-record anything all the critics are loving. -- On another note, I simplified the install process. It is now just: tar xvf tvwish.tar ; cd tvwish make test (optional) make personal ... personalize your choices ... ... add entry to crontab ... At least if all goes well. This is a beta, I have not had many testers yet, so I welcome them. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Installation issue - Couldn't find package Synaptic
I noticed the same thing. It seemed like the atrpms-kickstart-25-1.rhfc3.at.i386.rpm part did not work properly and was conflicting with another package. It had an error with atrpms-package-config-91-1.rhfc3.at.i386.rpm I tried a re-install but no luck. Strange because in the last 2 weeks I have installed according to Jarrod wilsons instructions 3 or 4 times without this happening, then it happens 2 times in a row. Cheers Brad On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:59:05 -0600, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Synaptic is in the testing branch at ATrpms. You probably are not and > don't want to be set up to run the testing branch. You can go to > atrpms and find the link ot the RPM and install using the whole path > rather than the name of the package. I did it yesterday. > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:52:48 -0500, Thom Paine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:32:52 -0800, Steve Dorsey > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > I am running my machine with a NATted 10. static IP. My machine can > > > see the internet, I can ping IPs, and I can surf the web. Running > > > Redhat FC3. > > > > > > I had to download "atrpms-kickstart-25-1.rhfc3.at.i386.rpm" and > > > install it manually because I thought the server may have been down at > > > the location in Jarod's guide. Anyway, I typed "apt-get install > > > synaptic" and was greeted with "Couldn't find package synaptic". > > > > > > I have no idea what this means. > > > > > > Any ideas here? I just started the guide, so I could re-install Linux > > > if I need to but would rather not. > > > > > > > > It just means that the synaptic package wasn't available. You prollie > > spelled it wrong. It's not required for the install. > > I skipped it. All it is is a graphical apt package. If you continue to > > have errors during apt-get, post that. > > > > You should be able to do an > > > > # apt-get update > > > > And get a list of the packages. > > > > Then you can > > > > # apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade your system. > > > > -- > > -=/>Thom > > > > > > ___ > > mythtv-users mailing list > > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > > > > > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Announcing TVWish Beta -- A super wishlist for Myth
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:39:50PM -0500, Thom Paine wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:40:15 -0800, Brad Templeton
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > This is to announce a new add-on program for Myth aimed at managing
> > giant wishlists of shows to record, including lists imported from
> > others.
> >
> > The program, TVWish, can be found with tarball and documentation at:
> >
> > http://www.templetons.com/brad/myth/tvwish.html
> >
> >
>
> This sounds like a really cool feature.
>
> I'd like to try it, but is there an rpm available or will there be one for
> FC3?
An RPM could be made easily enough but as currently implemented it would
not do a great deal for you. The only "install" it would do for you is
to put the program in the cron and pick an official directory for the scripts
to run in. I am making a script to do that, though later
I plan to have it invoked after mythfilldatabase rather than the cron.
The program does not get installed into any special directory, it runs where
you unpack it. You can test run it just by unpacking and typing make.
The reason is that you are expected to customize the wishlists for yourself.
An RPM suggests that people would not be doing that, and that makes less
sense as I don't expect everybody to have the same tastes.
If you just unpack it, do "make createpersonal" and edit personal/runwish
to include the name of your directory, you can now put it in the cron
to do the default behaviour, which is to record all movies, pilots and
famous episodes in the lists.
However, I think it's worth going over the movie list in your text editor
of choice and deleting the movies you have seen or know you don't want to
see. Right now on a typical cable feed it will queue up Gladiator,
High Noon, Fight Club, Being John Malkovich, Blade Runner, Mad Max, Platoon,
Hunt for Red October, The Matrix, Toy Story 2, Young Frankenstein, Chinatown,
and The Blues Brothers along with two famous episodes of Seinfeld, Star
Trek, E.R., Buffy and pilots of Andy Griffith, South Park, Angel and
South Park.
All superb stuff -- but I've also seen all of them
so I wouldn't want it filling even the spare disk with 'em.
Though admittedly with mythweb it is also easy to let it queue the movies
and then you can tell it you have alrady seen them ("never record") so
it's not so bad.
Packagers are welcome to make debs/rpms/ebuilds etc. However, after
people have tested the program for a while, I will also work to integrate
it into mythtv, so it's called after mythfilldatabase and at least some
basic UI exists to turn on whether this happens or not. No matter what
I do you'll still want to customize at least your movie wishlists.
However, I am talking with a professional TV critic about preparing files
for this program based on his newspaper columns. I may put that in
the default config, so your box records what he says is the best TV on
each night. Hoewver, you will still want to say how much you trust him.
For example, I am going to ask him to put a rating on each recommendation
(such as 4-stars or 3.5 stars, or 7 out of 10 or whatever.) The program
allows you to say, "Record what this critic says but only if he gives
it a score better than 8" and so on. But I don't want to set that number
for you.
As noted, this uses an undocumented feature of Myth to put these recordings
in a special "autoexpire" class that causes them to expire before any
recordings you select directly in myth, so they are effectively in
"spare" space, if you want it.
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[mythtv-users] TVOUT mode settings geforce2 mx400 PAL
HI Guys, Having trouble with TV out. The error states that monitor found but cannot find the correct mode. Could someone please post their XFree86.conf settings for TVOUT especially if they have a geforce2 and PAL (and australia :-)) I have installed the 6629 nvidia drivers and tried the nvidia tvou XFree86 conf file. Cheers Brad ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
