Re: [mythtv-users] Focus issue (with xine & snes)

[Joe Votour]

--- "Nathan A. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi again,
> 
> Continuing my efforts to get my mythbox working
> correctly  -- another
> question/problem arises...
> 
> When I start xine it shows up behind my
> mythfrontend.  I have to kill
> the frontend in order to get to the xine window.
> 
> Similar type of problem with snes (especially if I
> ever get it to go
> fullscreen -- a question for another thread)
> 
> 
> So how do I address the focus issue?
> 
> 
> Nasa
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If you're not already doing so, run a window manager. 
This will take care of the focus issues.
It doesn't have to be a desktop environment like KDE,
even something small like ratpoison (which I use) will
work.

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Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia, opengl, kernel and more

[Joe Votour]

--- "James C. Dastrup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been using ATI cards with lots of success for a
> while now. Just for fun,
> I decided to try nvidia, so I have a new FX5200,
> based on everything I've read
> that should be a good card. Brand new gentoo
> installation, myth 0.18.1, P4
> 3.0, HD tuner cards.
> 
> Anyway, I'm running into lots of playback problems.
> No crashing, myth is
> running great as always, but playback of live tv or
> recorded programs is
> giving me lots of problems. I haven't tried all yet,
> but several combinations of
> nvidia drivers, kernel (2.6.14 and 2.6.15), XvMC
> on/off,  ffmpeg2, deinterlacing,
> opengl (BTW, if I understand correctly, to turn
> opengl on/off with gentoo, I
> just recompile mythtv with the USE flag of opengl or
> -opengl, right?).
> 
> Anyway, sometimes the CPU is too high, or choppy
> video, or black-n-white OSD,
> prebuffering pauses, choppy audio, stuttering, etc.
> 
> I must add that using mplayer to view any video
> plays it *perfectly* on this
> computer, and playing the video on my other
> frontends (ATI cards and a ROKU)
> also plays everything perfectly.
> 
> I guess my question is, What is the best combination
> for nvidia? What driver ver? 
> What kernel? What opengl setting? Xorg.conf
> settings? If anyone has similar 
> hardware and has it running well, please let me know
> your working combination.
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S-Video or composite output using an nVidia card
absolutely sucks quality-wise compared to some of the
other options (VGA/DVI, PVR-350).  The 5200 series
cards are most popular because:
1. They're easy to setup, especially if you use ATrpms
and follow Jarod Wilson's guide
2. OpenGL is available, which makes them nice for
MythMusic visualizations (Goom)
3. You can run xmame on them at full speeds
4. Easily configurable overscan (unlike the PVR-350),
so part of your screen isn't chopped off.

That said, I use a PVR-350 myself.  These are the
settings that I used in order to obtain what I feel is
optimum S-Video output on my 5200:
- Enable Bob de-interlacing
- Enable OpenGL Vsync
- I have these lines in my .nvidia-settings-rc file (I
don't remember which options they correspond to
exactly, but they're something like "sync to vblank"
and "flip on vblank" (not sure about the second one):
0/SyncToVBlank=1
0/AllowFlipping=1
0/XVideoTextureSyncToVBlank=1
0/XVideoBlitterSyncToVBlank=1
I also set the Tv Flicker Filter to 255 - I didn't
really notice much of a difference myself after abouit
127.

With this, the TV picture is pretty good, but the OSD
gets mangled by the Bob deinterlacer (lots of flicker,
depending on what is being displayed).

On the other hand, if you got ATI stuff working really
well, I'd be somewhat interested in that.  I'm
considering (re-)trying Unichrome also, since the
picture looked pretty good using XvMC on my VIA Epia
when I tried it six months ago (now I'm using it as a
file server, as I need something a bit more beefy to
play xmame games).

My two cents, and I hope this helps.

-- Joe

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Re: [mythtv-users] TV sched is wrong; how to fix it?

[Joe Votour]

--- Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> check your system clock and time zone.  i had this
> problem because my clock
> and timezone were not correct.  tzconfig, and i
> think the date command.
> later.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> David A. De Graaf
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:39 PM
> To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org
> Subject: [mythtv-users] TV sched is wrong; how to
> fix it?
> 
> 
> Somehow, my TV schedule database got some wrong
> info.  Possibly it
> happened as a consequence of a recent power failure;
> I don't know.
> The result is that the channels listed are off by
> one.  That is,
> the programs for channel 9 are listed as showing on
> channel 10, etc.
> Thus, it is impossible to record the correct
> program.
> This bad data extends only through Sat. 1/21, so all
> I have to do is
> wait out the problem.
> 
> Nonetheless, there are some programs on Sat night
> that I'd really like
> to record, which are not broadcast later.  And I'd
> like to know how
> such a problem can be dealt with in the future.
> 
> I'd like to delete just the schedule data and rerun
> mythfilldatatbase,
> but I don't see how to do this selective deletion.
> How do I delete and renew the schedule data from the
> mysql database?
> Any advice is welcome.
> 
> If it matters, I am running mythtv svn from 0107,
> with a pcHDTV HD-3000
> card on Fedora Core 4, x86_64.  TV signals are from
> a Mediacom cable,
> using plain old analog NTSC modulation.  The TV
> schedules are downloaded
> from DataDirect for Mediacom cable for our zipcode
> of 28739.
> 
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Please forgive the numbered bullets, but this doesn't
really fit into proper paragraphs.
1. Check that Zap2It didn't change your channel
numbers.  If they did, then you'll need to reset them.
2. You can delete the schedule information by running
the SQL command "delete from program;".
3. To check your channels in the database and compare
them against Zap2It, or what you think they should be,
you can do the SQL command, "select * from channel;".
4. After deleting the schedule information (step 2),
you can re-run mythfilldatabase, and it should
(hopefully) pull down the correct info.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Silverstone Lascala 17 Case

[Joe Votour]

--- Nick Rosier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 1/18/06, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 18 January 2006 14:50,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm thinking of replacing my current FE with an
> HD-capable FE, and was
> > > thinking of putting it all in Silverstone
> Lascala 17 case:
> > >
>
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811163055
> .
> > >
> > > Is anyone using one of these? And failing that,
> any other comments on
> > > good, reasonably-priced cases?
> >
> > I've got the 16 in Silver, its a work of art,
> great construction looks
> > beautiful.
> 
> How's the noise of the fans? I'm looking for a new
> case and really
> want a quiet one.
> 
> N.
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I don't know how the noise is on the fans (I take the
spec sheet with a grain of salt), but at least there
are plentiful options for changing out the fans on
that case, as they are 80mm fans.

I have the LC03 case which has 60mm fans on the back,
and while I've undervolted them, they're still the
noisiest part of the case (except when the hard drive
seeks/writes).  Unfortunately, it's hard to find quite
60mm fans.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Replacing MythTV remote... anyone have any experience with RS 15-2136 (or 15-2137?)

[Joe Votour]

--- Kevin Venkiteswaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I have read that the buttons that will illuminate
> on
> > the Kameleon remotes are fixed according to the
> device
> > map in ROM (that is, if you program in a TV, then
> only
> > the buttons for that TV will light up).  If you
> use
> > JP1 to write new data into the remote (to enable
> > disabled buttons), then supposedly the newly
> enabled
> > buttons still won't light up.
> 
> I can tell you that the buttons that light up are
> dependent on the
> device you program it for. I've never tried JP1 with
> the remote though.
> 
> 
> > If you program a disabled button with an EFC, will
> it
> > light up (where previously it wouldn't because it
> was
> > disabled)?
> 
> You can only program buttons that already light up.
> This is still
> advantageous as some buttons send the same IR codes
> (again, the exact
> code sent for each button is dependent on what
> device you program the
> remote for).
> 
> These limitations aren't really a concern if you
> have a "universal" IR
> receiver. This allows you to program the remote
> (with this remote it
> really means programming each device the remote can
> control) to a device
> which "turns on" all the buttons. Then for any
> button that sends a
> duplicate IR code you can use EFC to make it unique.
> You can then use
> the power of lirc to map each IR code to whatever
> function you want. 
> 
> Note: I say universal IR receiver b/c I don't
> believe any RC5 (or
> whatever codeset the Hauppauge cards support)
> compatible device the
> Kameleon supports turns on all the buttons. Thus
> your IR receiver must
> be able to receive whatever codes the Kameleon sends
> when programmed to
> a device that turns on all the buttons.
> 
> Hope I've helped more than I've confused!
> 
> Cheers
> Kev
> 
> 
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With my experience with other OFA/UEC remotes, you can
map an EFC (Extended Function Code) to any button on
the remote, in any mode.  My URC-6131 (which I
currently use) doesn't program every button in RC-5
mode (using VCR code 0081), so I programmed the
buttons that didn't send anything using a special
OFA/UEC code (no JP1 required).  These buttons then
send a code that the Hauppauge receiver can
understand.

I would assume that the Kameleon allows for the same
thing (after all, it's a high-ish end OFA remote), but
it seems from what you're telling me that even if a
button is programmed with an EFC, it won't light up.

Guess the Kameleon remote is off my list of future
remotes.

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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 & 500 in same box, sound issues

[Joe Votour]

--- Intense Red <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  > When using the PVR-350 MPEG decoder, the sound
> comes
>  > out the breakout connector on the card.  You'll
> need
>  > to loop the sound to your sound card (as
> discussed in
>  > the archives to death) and configure the mixer
>  > correctly.
> 
>Thanks Joe; yes, that is set up correctly
> (PVR-350 piped into the sound 
> card, sound card then piped out to the TV) and was
> working -- until I added 
> the PVR-500.
> 
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Try updating to the latest ivtv driver (0.4.2).  There
was previously some issues with DMA which were causing
sound from recordings made on PVR-350 cards to lose
sound.  The most obvious way to see if that is the
cause is that you can't even try to change the volume
in MythTV (pressing Vol+/Vol- go completely ignored) -
at least that's the symptom I saw.

Otherwise, make sure you have the latest firmware and
that MythTV is properly configured for your cards
(there was a change in ivtv 0.4.1 or 0.4.2 that
changed the names/numbers of the inputs - when I
upgraded, I had to re-run mythtv-setup).

It can work, because I have the same setup (PVR-350
and PVR-500), and with ivtv 0.4.2 everything is
working fine.

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Re: [mythtv-users] LiveTV related ideas/comments

[Joe Votour]

--- pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Hopefully this is the right place to post this
> comment/question - if not,
> please let me know.
>   I just grabbed the latest svn after hanging out
> with 7738, the last one prior
> to livetv/ringbuffer changes.  In the time between
> them, mythtv has seen a lot
> of improvements, and it seems pretty stable.  That
> is to say, I have yet to
> crash it or find any bugs.Overall I am highly
> impressed with the
> development work that's been done in the past few
> months.  I really like the
> way LiveTV now works.  The Watch Recordings menu
> seems a little clunky with
> respect to this new LiveTV, however.  What do you
> guys think of having a LiveTV
> program group?  
>   Here's how I picture it would work:  By default,
> all LiveTV recordings would
> go into a LiveTV( or user configurable ) program
> group, to keep them together. 
> You could choose to display that group or not, and
> you could still choose to
> dump them into the "All Programs" filter if you
> want.  As it stands you can
> dump them into All Programs or not, and if not they
> don't show up anywhere,
> that I can tell  - please correct me if I am missing
> something.  I think it
> would be handy to be able to have them show up under
> one place like a LiveTV
> group, so that you have an option to see them all
> together without having them
> interspersed in All Programs or scattered around
> elsewhere.
>   Does anyone think this is a worthwhile
> enhancement?  Is it possible already
> via some other method that I missed?
> 
> pete
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If you would check out the latest SVN (and read the
-dev and -commits list like those running SVN should
do), then you'd notice that LiveTV (and the groupings)
work as you have described.  There is now a "LiveTV"
group, I don't know if it is user-configurable or not.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Replacing MythTV remote... anyone have any experience with RS 15-2136 (or 15-2137?)

[Joe Votour]

--- Kevin Venkiteswaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > So I've gone to Radio Shack's site and was looking
>
> 
> I use the Kameleon 6-in-1 remote and absolutely love
> it. I liked it so
> much I gave one to a friend for xmas for his mythtv,
> and another to my
> dad for his non-mythtv home theatre. 
> 
> Some things to be aware of, as you'll likely read
> about them in reviews
> of the remote:
> 
> -it does support JP1 but there are no plugs for it.
> Ie, there are solder
> points but no connector. (if you aren't adventurous
> on modding your
> remote, just use efc (extended functionality codes,
> off-hand). these are
> programmed using the remote buttons -- no soldering
> required!)
> 
> -it supposedly drains batteries, largely in part by
> the motion sensing.
> this can be turned off though, which i did and
> haven't replace my
> batteries after 2.5 months of use.
> 
> -with the motion sensing off you have to push a
> button to turn the
> remote on. but the pushed button *does* send a
> signal. so you have to
> get used to pushing a button with no effect (ie, the
> setup button at the
> very bottom of the remote since it must be held for
> 2 seconds to
> activate)
> 
> -grease on the screen is noticeable. if you like to
> eat chips and donuts
> while using the remote, these kameleon remotes are
> (likely) not for you.
> 
> -i recommend at least the 6-in-1. there is an 8-in-1
> Kamelon if you
> really need that many devices.
> 
> The three largest features of the remote I love are:
> -macro programming for the power button: turn on or
> off all devices with
> a single click
> -a home-theatre mode that lets you assign blocks of
> buttons to different
> devices! ie, volume goes to your receiver,
> everything else goes to
> mythtv
> -a wild display that is a topic of conversation
> every time someone sees
> it.
> 
> I have produced (what I think to be) a great
> lircd.conf and
> corresponding .lircrc for the 6-in-1. I even have
> step-by-step
> instructions for some EFC coding to enable all the
> buttons.
> Unfortunately my wiki, where all this data is, is
> currently off-line
> because I recently moved. But it will be back online
> within the first
> week of February.
> 
> Cheers
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I have read that the buttons that will illuminate on
the Kameleon remotes are fixed according to the device
map in ROM (that is, if you program in a TV, then only
the buttons for that TV will light up).  If you use
JP1 to write new data into the remote (to enable
disabled buttons), then supposedly the newly enabled
buttons still won't light up.

If you program a disabled button with an EFC, will it
light up (where previously it wouldn't because it was
disabled)?

I'm looking for a new remote, that's why I ask.

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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 & 500 in same box, sound issues

[Joe Votour]

--- Intense Red <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I have a PVR-350 in my system which worked fine
> with the PVR-350's hardware 
> decoder.  The only "problem" was that MythTV is so
> slick TV watching has 
> increased and 1 tuner was not enough. :-)
> 
>So I added a PVR-500 to the box.  The system is a
> combo frontend/backend 
> which outputs to the TV using the PVR-350's TV out,
> and it also serves as a 
> backend to a couple of computers in the house.
> 
>Adding the PVR-500 was no problem -- drop it in,
> IVTV found it 
> automagically, and I added the 2 tuners (etc.) to
> mythtv-setup and all works 
> well.  Well, all except the local TV sound (remote
> frontends work just fine).
> 
>If I turn off the "Use the PVR-350's TV out /
> MPEG decoder" setting in the 
> frontend, both video and sound work fine.  Sound
> comes out of the TV like it 
> should.  If I turn on the "Use the PVR-350's TV out
> / MPEG decoder", I get 
> video but no sound.
> 
>Can anyone whack me with a clue-bat?
> 
>On a semi-related note, MythTV seems to grab
> whichever one of the 3 tuners 
> it wants to record things.  What I'd like to do is
> to "reserve" the PVR-350 
> for live TV, and to have Myth do recordings only off
> from the 2 PVR-500's 
> tuners.  Is this possible?
> 
>  Thanks in advance.
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When using the PVR-350 MPEG decoder, the sound comes
out the breakout connector on the card.  You'll need
to loop the sound to your sound card (as discussed in
the archives to death) and configure the mixer
correctly.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Replacing MythTV remote... anyone have any experience with RS 15-2136 (or 15-2137?)

[Joe Votour]

--- Robert Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 03:50:48PM -0500, obscure
> information. wrote:
> > Hi Rob,
> > 
> > What JP1 software are you using?
> 
> Some stuff called RemoteMaster and "IR", which I got
> from
> hifi-remote.com and/or the JP1 Yahoo! Groups.
> 
> > I'm a little leery of going that route, only
> because I know that the
> > 15-2133 requires physical modification in order to
> use JP1
> > programming, and I really don't want to run the
> risk of screwing up
> > on the soldering, as it's been about 10 years
> since I last used a
> > soldering iron.
> 
> The 15-2116 does not require any physical
> modification; there is a JP1
> port right under the battery cover. Didn't even need
> a screwdriver.
> 
> > Where could I find more information about JP1
> programming?  I've
> > been to hifi-remote, but I couldn't find
> information regarding
> > either the 2136 or 2137 there.
> 
> If they are extremely new models, it's possible that
> no one there has
> played with one. You could always ask them.
> 
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The other catch is that a lot of the newer remotes
(like the URC-10820 I have my eye on) aren't JP1
remotes, but JP1.1 or JP1.2 remotes.  The JP1.2
remotes have the same connector (a 3x2), but the
internals are totally different.

If the remote is a JP1.2, then forget about being able
to use the JP1 tools (different CPU, different means
of communication that hasn't been reverse engineered
yet, and the progress is slow).  Also, some of the
newer Radio Shack remotes might not support EFCs,
which allow you to program codes to buttons that don't
normally send them (which JP1 could fix).

If anybody has figured out EFCs on the Radio Shack
15-2146 remote (the one with the voice prompts), I'd
love to know how they did it - it looks good for a PVR
setup.

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Re: [mythtv-users] 350/500 setup. Tuner #3 cannot tune about 60 or so.

[Joe Votour]

--- "Michael T. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Stewart wrote:
> > I had my myth box set up with a 350 card, using
> the 350's TV output and all was well.  I added a 50 
> > card yesterday and everything appears to work
> well, but the second tuner on the 500 is having
> issues 
> > when tuning channels above 56.   56 comes in fine,
> but channels 57-60 all tune to a nasty garbled 
> > Channel 57, and anything above that is really bad.
> >   
> Wrong tuner defintion...
> > options ivtv ivtv_std=1 tuner=57,57,57
> >   
> Something you never need to specify...
> > Jan 14 16:57:41 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: Autodetected
> WinTV PVR 150 card (cx23416 based)
> > ...
> > Jan 14 16:57:41 mythtv kernel: tveeprom: tuner =
> Samsung TCPN 2121P30A (idx = 87, ...
> > Jan 14 16:57:41 mythtv kernel: ivtv2: Autodetected
> WinTV PVR 150 card (cx23416 based)
> > ...
> > Jan 14 16:57:41 mythtv kernel: tveeprom: tuner =
> Samsung TCPN 2121P30A (idx = 87, type = 4)
> >   
>
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/166976#166976
> 
> My offer to Dan is hereby extended to you...  (Dan
> didn't take me up on it.)
> 
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Looks like (b) and (c) have been done, therefore (d)
is no longer necessary.  :)

The ivtv 0.4.2 SVN apparently has support for the
Samsung TCPN 2121P30A tuner.  I don't have one of the
Samsung tuners, but I am running a checkout of ivtv
0.4.2 SVN from about a week ago for a fix for the
PVR-350 audio dropouts.

Looks like Hans wants to release 0.4.2 soon, so if
you're not comfortable with running SVN, then it
should only be a week or so before it is released
(hopefully).

-- Joe

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Re: [mythtv-users] Difference between WinTV PVR-250 and 150?

[Joe Votour]

--- Wade Maxfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >I'm looking at these 2 cards back-to-back on the
> Hauppage site:
> >
>
>http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr250.html
> >
>
>http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html
> >
> >   And I'm not seeing any difference, besides the
> tech specs.
> >
> >   In layman's terms, why would I use a 250 vs. a
> 150 for a second 
> >capture card? (I'm using a PVR-250 as my current
> primary capture 
> >card).
> >
> >Technically speaking
> >WinTV-PVR-150 contains a high quality 10-bit video
> digitizer with 4 
> >line adaptive comb filter to reduce video noise,
> plus a highly 
> >integrated MPEG-1/2 hardware encoder. WinTV-PVR-150
> can record full 
> >screen TV or video at data rates from 2.5 to 12
> Mbits/sec from TV, 
> >VCR or camcorder. The encoded MPEG-2 video is sent
> over the PCI bus, 
> >where it is stored on the PCs hard disk. The video
> can also be 
> >played back to the PC screen while recording.
> >
> >Technically speaking
> >WinTV-PVR-250 contains a highly integrated MPEG-1/2
> hardware 
> >encoder, plus a high quality video digitizer.
> WinTV-PVR-250 can 
> >record full screen TV or video from a VCR or
> camcorder, using as 
> >little as 1.5GB of hard disk space per hour. The
> encoded MPEG-2 
> >video is sent over the PCI bus, where it is stored
> on the PCs hard 
> >disk. The video can also be played back to the PC
> screen while 
> >recording.
> >
> >
> >--S
> >
> >
> 
> Picture quality aside (and on my system I can't
> really see much of a 
> difference) there seems to be a noticeable
> difference, as others have 
> mentioned recently, in the volume the 150 records at
> compared to the 
> 250.
> 
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For the most part, a PVR-150 is a cost reduced PVR-250
with a different tuner chip and a different MPEG-2
encoder chip.  (I don't actually have a PVR-150, but I
have a PVR-500 which uses the same components).

I haven't really noticed the volume issue, but up
until the recent ivtv drivers (0.4.1), I did notice a
difference in picture quality.  At this point, I'd say
that the quality of both are good enough.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Odds of Linux CableCARD support?

[Joe Votour]

--- H P Ladds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Would it read "DENIED" and "thank you for your
> $100,000.00"
> application fee? Or is that a bogus tale I heard
> about the cost of
> application.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/11/06, Joe Votour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- H P Ladds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > " The cable companies will wind up killing
> shooting
> > >  themselves in the foot if they're not careful.
> > > IPTV
> > >  over DSL using MPEG-4 is steadily catching up."
> > >
> > > Will IPTV help us? The consortium of content
> > > producers (CableLabs)
> > > will still demand that the content be encrypted.
> > > Linux and Open Source need not apply for
> approval?
> > >
> > > Still, I'm with you, someone shot has themselves
> in
> > > the foot. The
> > > content producers just handed control of a large
> > > portion of their
> > > distribution channel to Microsoft -- I wish them
> the
> > > best of luck in
> > > trying to get it back.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > 
> >


Most likely.

I don't know what the fees are for CableCARD (I
couldn't find them in the price list), but I would
guess somewhere between $50,000 to $100,000 based on
the other prices (which have come down from previous
years).

Check out the application fees yourself (no
CableCARD):
http://www.cablemodem.com/downloads/2006Pricing.pdf

-- Joe

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Re: [mythtv-users] Odds of Linux CableCARD support?

[Joe Votour]

--- H P Ladds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> " The cable companies will wind up killing shooting
>  themselves in the foot if they're not careful. 
> IPTV
>  over DSL using MPEG-4 is steadily catching up."
> 
> Will IPTV help us? The consortium of content
> producers (CableLabs)
> will still demand that the content be encrypted. 
> Linux and Open Source need not apply for approval?
> 
> Still, I'm with you, someone shot has themselves in
> the foot. The
> content producers just handed control of a large
> portion of their
> distribution channel to Microsoft -- I wish them the
> best of luck in
> trying to get it back.
> 
> 
> 



You've got the purpose of CableLabs confused.  When
they're not accepting kickbacks, charging a fortune
for product certification, and constantly changing
their specifications without incrementing version
numbers, they are supposed to be the unified voice of
the cable operators.  They have nothing to do with the
content producers.

IPTV is not subject to CableLabs approval, at least
not in it's current incarnation.  In fact, nothing is
really subject to CableLabs approval (see the number
of uncertified DOCSIS 1.0 cable modems about five
years ago), but if you don't get your products
CableLabs certified, then you likely won't be allowed
to bid on contracts put forth by the cable operators.

(Yes, I dislike CableLabs, and I don't hide it.  In my
view, they really are an incompetent and corrupt
organization.)

That said, open source hardware or software will never
get CableLabs approval.  CableLabs reserves the right
to revoke encryption keys on devices if they are
compromised (and I'm surprised they didn't revoke
Motorola's keys when a bunch of their modems were
cracked - but, Motorola is one of the key players in
CableLabs).

CableLabs is now much more open than it used to be -
previously the submission documents required
membership to view, but they are now freely available
on the CableLabs website.  These documents show some
of the requirements for security that CableCARD will
have to meet:
http://www.opencable.com/downloads/Host_2.0_DCAA.pdf
http://www.opencable.com/downloads/CHILA.pdf

>From the second document:
As to each of the Host Devices made under this
Agreement, Licensee covenants to CableLabs as follows:
(i) The Host Device, at the time manufactured,
contains no integrated circuit, ROM, RAM, software or
other device or functionality that:
  (1) enables copying or recording of Controlled
Content, other
than as permitted by the Compliance Rules or
  (2) interferes with or disables the ability of a
Cable Operator to communicate with or disable a
CableCARD or services being transmitted through a
CableCARD.
(ii) At the time of manufacture, it will maintain
control of content copies consistent with copy control
instructions or the encryption mode indicator bits
transmitted with digital signals as specified in the
OpenCable Specifications.
(iii) At the time of manufacture, it is designed to
effectively frustrate tampering and reverse
engineering directed towards defeating copy protection
requirements in accordance with the Robustness Rules.
(iv) At the time of manufacture, it will not transmit
or decode
Controlled Content received from the cable television
transmission without proper authorization from the
Cable Operator.
(v) As used in this section 9.2(c), “at the time of
manufacture” shall mean at the time of manufacture
of the Host Device and shall also include, but is not
limited to, any subsequent modifications, upgrades,
downloads, modules, plug-ins, or attachments to such
Host Device made by or at the direction of Licensee or
its Affiliates, or otherwise specifically promoted,
marketed, distributed by or at the direction of
Licensee or its Affiliates.
(vi) Licensee shall not service any licensed product
that it determines to have been modified after
manufacture to be non-Compliant.
<< End of CableLabs document>>

So, in short, Open Source will get the big red
"DENIED" stamp on CableCARD.  Our only hope is reverse
engineering outside of North America where the patents
and DMCA don't apply.

-- Joe

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Re: [mythtv-users] Odds of Linux CableCARD support?

[Joe Votour]

--- Jason Werpy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 1/10/06, Joe Votour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Yeechang Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Jonathan Oexner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> says:
> > > > Yeah, I was happy to learn that RCN Boston
> doesn't
> > > use 5C
> > > > encryption.
> > >
> > > I'm happy to report that RCN San Francisco does
> not
> > > either.
> > >
> > > Once CableCARD 2.0 ships, what do y'all think
> are
> > > the odds of a
> > > PCI-slot expansion board that comes with one or
> two
> > > CableCARD slots,
> > > *regardless of Linux support*? I figure that
> having
> > > the hardware
> > > actually available (as opposed to slots only
> being
> > > available on new,
> > > presumably MCE-enabled, PCs) is more than 50% of
> > > getting MythTV
> > > support done, and if it takes binary, non-free
> > > drivers for Linux
> > > support--� la Nvidia or ATi--I don't mind as
> long
> > as
> > > they
> > > work.
> > >
> > > --
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> |
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> > >
> >
> > It's hard to say whether or not there would be a
> PCI
> > board.  The only design that I've heard of with
> > CableCARD (1.0) support was a Shuttle (I think)
> > machine, and thus, it was built into the
> motherboard.
> > Normally I'd say that some company would just
> > manufacture them unlicensed, but they'd be slapped
> > with some sort of DMCA lawsuit, likely.  Then I'd
> say,
> > manufacture and sell them outside of the U.S., but
> I'm
> > not even sure if CableCARD has been proposed
> outside
> > of North America.  (CableLabs is the CableCARD and
> > DOCSIS specifications writer in the United States,
> > Europe, although they have EuroDOCSIS, it is done
> by a
> > different consortium of European cable operators).
> >
> > I'm predicting 0% chance of official CableCARD
> support
> > in Linux.  Unofficially, there might be binary
> > drivers, but I really doubt that.  I'm pretty sure
> > that Microsoft had to jump through hoops to get
> > CableCARD support allowed in MCE (CableLabs is
> pretty
> > bad, I've worked for two companies that dealt with
> > them), and anything that is seen as an "open
> platform"
> > is just begging to get the big red rubber stamp of
> > denial.
> >
> > To me, the bigger challenge is not necessarily
> whether
> > or not a PCI card could be reverse engineered
> (because
> > it could, it just takes a talented person with the
> > right equipment, even if they encrypt everything
> on
> > the bus), but what kind of data the CableCARD
> gives
> > us.  If the data that we get from the CableCARD is
> > completely encrypted, then we'll be limited in the
> > things we can do with it (commercial flagging
> would
> > likely not be possible, since MythTV has to
> analyze
> > the contents of the stream).
> >
> > I would really like a legitmate CableCARD solution
> for
> > Linux, but I want it to have the current
> featureset of
> > analog cable.  Wishful thinking, I know.
> >
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> The newest HDTivo uses cablecard.   I think there is
> a chance of making it
> work in Linux.
> 
> The more I keep looking at the state of HD
> television that they are trying
> to roll out the more I get the impression that they
> want to give us "a much
> better picture" in exchanged for us not continuing
> to time shift anymore.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Anyway to tune a channel > 125 on pvr-150?

[Joe Votour]

--- "Rodney D. Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:43:52 -0800 (PST)
> Joe Votour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 



> > > --
> > > Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   
> > 
> > I don't have a digital package (I'm still on
> analog
> > myself), but I would think that MythTV can go
> higher
> > than channel 122.  If you're using a satellite
> dish or
> > digital cable, then you should ideally be using
> the
> > S-Video input on your capture card, rather than
> the
> > coaxial.  If you are using the coaxial output on
> your
> > STB, then you should be keeping the channel in
> MythTV
> > set to a constant (3 or 4, depending on the STB).
> > 
> > Either way, you should be using an IRBlaster to
> tell
> > the STB to change it's channel.  Program guide
> > information should be coming from your MythTV
> > designated source, not the STB.
> > 
> > I suppose that it's possible that Dish STBs also
> > broadcast the channels on analog as well out of
> the
> > STB (much like some digital cable providers do),
> but
> > I've never heard of that (though it wouldn't
> surprise
> > me).
> > 
> > -- Joe
> > 
> 
> Input is on s-video.
> 
> That's why I want to be able to tune past channel
> 122, so I can get the
> MythTV Program Guide info on shows.
> 
> If I punch in, using either a wireless keyboard or
> remote, anything
> other than 2 - 122, it stays on the channel MythTV
> is set to. If I try
> to scroll past channel 122, it scroll right back to
> channel 2.
> 
> Once I get the small kinks worked out, I will look
> into an IRBlaster.
> Right now, I'm just trying to reliably work, use,
> and record with my
> MythTV box.
> 
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Rodney,

In order to get MythTV to change the channels, you
need the IRBlaster configured and in there. 
Otherwise, with MythTV configured to listen on the
S-Video input, you'll always get the same channel,
unless there is a serial port on your STB and a script
for using it to change the channel.

Do you have channels in MythTV defined outside of the
range of 2-122?  If not, then MythTV won't change to
them.  It will only try to change to channels that are
in the SQL database.

So, to get things working, it sounds like you need to:
1. Get the proper channels in the MySQL database
(using mythtv-setup, and the correct ZIP code in your
DataDirect settings, if you are in North America)
2. Get the IRBlaster working so that MythTV can
actually tell the STB to change channels.  Otherwise,
you'll always be watching the same thing.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Odds of Linux CableCARD support?

[Joe Votour]

--- Yeechang Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jonathan Oexner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> says:
> > Yeah, I was happy to learn that RCN Boston doesn't
> use 5C
> > encryption.
> 
> I'm happy to report that RCN San Francisco does not
> either.
> 
> Once CableCARD 2.0 ships, what do y'all think are
> the odds of a
> PCI-slot expansion board that comes with one or two
> CableCARD slots,
> *regardless of Linux support*? I figure that having
> the hardware
> actually available (as opposed to slots only being
> available on new,
> presumably MCE-enabled, PCs) is more than 50% of
> getting MythTV
> support done, and if it takes binary, non-free
> drivers for Linux
> support--� la Nvidia or ATi--I don't mind as long
as
> they
> work.
> 
> -- 
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> San Francisco CA US
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It's hard to say whether or not there would be a PCI
board.  The only design that I've heard of with
CableCARD (1.0) support was a Shuttle (I think)
machine, and thus, it was built into the motherboard. 
Normally I'd say that some company would just
manufacture them unlicensed, but they'd be slapped
with some sort of DMCA lawsuit, likely.  Then I'd say,
manufacture and sell them outside of the U.S., but I'm
not even sure if CableCARD has been proposed outside
of North America.  (CableLabs is the CableCARD and
DOCSIS specifications writer in the United States,
Europe, although they have EuroDOCSIS, it is done by a
different consortium of European cable operators).

I'm predicting 0% chance of official CableCARD support
in Linux.  Unofficially, there might be binary
drivers, but I really doubt that.  I'm pretty sure
that Microsoft had to jump through hoops to get
CableCARD support allowed in MCE (CableLabs is pretty
bad, I've worked for two companies that dealt with
them), and anything that is seen as an "open platform"
is just begging to get the big red rubber stamp of
denial.

To me, the bigger challenge is not necessarily whether
or not a PCI card could be reverse engineered (because
it could, it just takes a talented person with the
right equipment, even if they encrypt everything on
the bus), but what kind of data the CableCARD gives
us.  If the data that we get from the CableCARD is
completely encrypted, then we'll be limited in the
things we can do with it (commercial flagging would
likely not be possible, since MythTV has to analyze
the contents of the stream).

I would really like a legitmate CableCARD solution for
Linux, but I want it to have the current featureset of
analog cable.  Wishful thinking, I know.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Anyway to tune a channel > 125 on pvr-150?

[Joe Votour]

--- rodney myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 1/10/06, Mailing Lists
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > rodney myers wrote:
> >
> > >On 1/10/06, John Biundo
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Sorry for the newbie question, and I think I
> know the answer, but I
> > >>thought I'd ask.
> > >>
> > >>I can tune channel 407, which isn't even listed
> in my program lineup, on
> > >>my "basic analog cable" package.  I use a STB -
> mainly for the program
> > >>guide - and I'm guessing this is a feature
> provided by the STB.  I'm
> > >>also guessing that I'm out of luck trying to get
> this channel through a
> > >>direct connection from the cable to my pvr-150,
> right?
> > >>
> > >>Unfortunately, this happens to be a music TV
> channel that my kid loves...
> > >>
> > >>Oh well.  Thought I'd check here before writing
> it off.
> > >>
> > >>Cheers,
> > >>john
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >I have a PVR 150 as well, I can only tune to
> channel 122 (dish
> > >network), Would love to be able to tune higher.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Why are you using a tuner for dishnetwork?  Am I
> missing something.  I
> > thought the receiver would do the  tuning.
> >
> > Calvin...
> 
> 
> It does, but. Without MythTV going higher than
> channel 122, I cannot
> get a recording, with the pertinent info concerning
> the show.
> 
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I don't have a digital package (I'm still on analog
myself), but I would think that MythTV can go higher
than channel 122.  If you're using a satellite dish or
digital cable, then you should ideally be using the
S-Video input on your capture card, rather than the
coaxial.  If you are using the coaxial output on your
STB, then you should be keeping the channel in MythTV
set to a constant (3 or 4, depending on the STB).

Either way, you should be using an IRBlaster to tell
the STB to change it's channel.  Program guide
information should be coming from your MythTV
designated source, not the STB.

I suppose that it's possible that Dish STBs also
broadcast the channels on analog as well out of the
STB (much like some digital cable providers do), but
I've never heard of that (though it wouldn't surprise
me).

-- Joe

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Re: [mythtv-users] Anyway to tune a channel > 125 on pvr-150?

[Joe Votour]

--- John Biundo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry for the newbie question, and I think I know
> the answer, but I 
> thought I'd ask.
> 
> I can tune channel 407, which isn't even listed in
> my program lineup, on 
> my "basic analog cable" package.  I use a STB -
> mainly for the program 
> guide - and I'm guessing this is a feature provided
> by the STB.  I'm 
> also guessing that I'm out of luck trying to get
> this channel through a 
> direct connection from the cable to my pvr-150,
> right?
> 
> Unfortunately, this happens to be a music TV channel
> that my kid loves...
> 
> Oh well.  Thought I'd check here before writing it
> off.
> 
> Cheers,
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The tuner on a PVR-150 is an analog tuner, meant for
receiving analog cable TV signals.  The stuff that
goes into your STB is likely a digital signal, which
contains completely different information (likely
MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 data) and would come out as gibberish
on a PVR-150.

You need to use the STB to receive the channels, and
then you can plug your STB into the composite/S-Video
and audio jacks or the coaxial input (if your STB will
output on coaxial) for a reduced quality signal.

Some cable providers, in addition to the digital
signal will also provide an analog signal that you can
tune into with the PVR-150.  However, it is highly
unlikely that they will have put the particular
channel you are looking for within the analog
spectrum.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Cannot install mythtv

[Joe Votour]

--- Jason Rottman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I dont know what to do, I just installed mythtv
> about a month ago without a
> hitch.  Now I cannot even get passed
> 
> # yum install mythtv-suite
> 
> Everytime, I get a problem saying that the gpg key
> was found, but it is
> incorrect.  

Have you installed the latest GPG key for ATrpms?  If
so, then this is likely an issue with the ATrpms
server (assuming you're installing from there, since
they are the most common source of MythTv RPMs for
Fedora Core).

> Could this because I first ran
> 
> #yum upgrade
> 
> One thing I do notice is that on bootup, for some
> reason now in grub I have
> Windows listed, and then 3 entrys for Fedora Core,
> each a different
> version.  Is that normal, a new listing everytime
> FC4 gets upgraded?
> 

Yes, this is normal.  Every new kernel release is
listed in the GRUB bootloader so that if the new
version gives you problems, you can revert back to the
old one,

> I'm not sure what else to do other than to format
> and try again.  But I'm
> not sure what to do different.  Thanks for any help
> you can give.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] please help :( TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '1' was not found in the database. Using setup DBOX

[Joe Votour]

Check to make sure that you have the tuner input
correctly associated with a channel source.  If
necessary, delete the tuners and the channel sources
in mythtv-setup and recreate them.

I saw the same problem last night when I was
re-enabling the second tuner on my PVR-500 after
upgrading to the latest stable ivtv driver release.  I
deleted and recreated the entry for the new tuner, and
it worked fine.

-- Joe

--- John C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi there, I'm a gentoo user trying to get the
> current SVN release of
> mythtv to work with my dbox2. As far as i can tell
> everything is setup
> correctly, as upon running mythbackend and frontend
> the dbox changes
> channel correctly in the various recording menus.
> 
> The problem is when trying to watch LiveTV.
> 
> Mythtv simply displays a blank screen for a second
> and then goes back
> to the main menu. Errors in the frontend are as
> follows...
> 
> 
> 
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.232 Connecting to backend
> server: 127.0.0.1:6543
> (try 1 of 5) 2006-01-09 01:09:31.239 Using protocol
> version 22
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.263 TV: Attempting to change
> from None to
> WatchingLiveTV 2006-01-09 01:09:31.272 Using
> protocol version 22
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.289 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.290 EntryToProgram([EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan 1
> 01:00:00 1970)
> failed to get pginfo 2006-01-09 01:09:31.290 TV
> Error: LiveTV not
> successfully started 2006-01-09 01:09:31.290 TV
> Error: LiveTV not
> successfully started 2006-01-09 01:09:31.294 TV:
> Deleting TV Chain in
> destructor 2006-01-09 01:09:31.307 Disable DPMS
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.307 Enable DPMS
> 
> 
> 
> And in the backend...
> 
> 
> 
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.234 Using runtime prefix =
> /usr/local
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.249 New DB connection, total: 1
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.256 Enabling Settings Cache.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.256 Clearing Settings Cache.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.258 Current Schema Version: 1121
>   Starting up as the master server.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.265 New DB connection, total: 2
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.268 TVRec(1) Error: Start
> channel invalid, setting
>   to '1' on input MPEG2TS instead. 
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.268 DBOX#1: Loading channels...
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.268 DBOX#1: Reading channel list
> from 192.168.0.24:80 
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.269 DBOX#1: Channel
> instantiated.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.269 DBOX#1: Channel list not
> received yet. Will
>   switch to channel 1 later... 
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.277 New DB scheduler connection 
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.281 mythbackend version:
> 0.19.20051208-1 www.mythtv.org 
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.281 Enabled verbose msgs: 
> important general 
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.282 AutoExpire: Found 1
> recorders w/max rate of 72 MiB/min
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.282 AutoExpire: Found 1
> recorders w/max rate of 72 MiB/min
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.283 AutoExpire: Required Free
> Space: 2.1 GB w/freq: 10 min
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.417 DBOX#1: Reading channel list
> succeeded.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.512 DBOX#1: Read 280 channels.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.513 DBOX#1: Changing to 1.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.514 DBOX#1: Channel ID for 1 is
> 12ef0200322.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:12.514 DBOX#1: Changing channel on
> 192.168.0.24:80 to channel id 12ef0200322:
> /control/zapto?12ef0200322
> 2006-01-09 01:09:13.268 DBOX#1: Changing channel
> succeeded...
> 2006-01-09 01:09:14.282 Reschedule requested for id
> -1.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:14.290 Scheduled 0 items in 0.0 =
> 0.00 match + 0.00 place
> 2006-01-09 01:09:14.293 Seem to be woken up by USER
> 2006-01-09 01:09:22.264 Running HouseKeeping
> 2006-01-09 01:09:28.272 DBOX#1: EPG finished.
> Recorder still offline. Continuing EPG scan
> 2006-01-09 01:09:28.273 DBOX#1: Changing to 2.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:28.274 DBOX#1: Channel ID for 2 is
> 89f02000dc.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:28.274 DBOX#1: Changing channel on
> 192.168.0.24:80 to channel id 89f02000dc:
> /control/zapto?89f02000dc
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.244 MainServer::HandleAnnounce
> Monitor
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.244 adding: bunnymen as a client
> (events: 0)
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.267 MainServer::HandleAnnounce
> Monitor
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.267 adding: bunnymen as a client
> (events: 1)
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.277 MainServer::HandleAnnounce
> Playback
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.277 adding: bunnymen as a client
> (events: 0)
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.283 TVRec(1): Changing from None
> to WatchingLiveTV
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.284 TVRec(1) Error: Start
> channel invalid, setting to '1' on input MPEG2TS
> instead.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.284 DBOX#1: Channel
> instantiated.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.284 DBOX#1: Changing to 1.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.285 DBOX#1: Channel ID for 1 is
> 12ef0200322.
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.285 DBOX#1: Changing channel on
> 192.168.0.24:80 to channel id 12ef0200322:
> /control/zapto?12ef0200322
> 2006-01-09 01:09:31.287 TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '1'
> was not found in the database.
> Most likely, you

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

[Joe Votour]

--- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sunday 08 January 2006 15:14, Joe Votour wrote:
> > --- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > So you use the raid controller but use mdadm to
> > > handle the RAID array?
> >
> > What you do is use the ports in non-RAID mode
> (i.e.
> > make them all regular SATA ports) and use mdadm to
> > create and manage the RAID array.
> >
> > -- Joe
> 
> gotcha, sounds like a plan for me. One final
> question, all the examples for 
> RAID 1 in mdadm shows only 2 drives in the array, is
> it possible to use 3 or 
> more? and if so, can I add the additional drives
> later as needed?
> 
> -- 
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As far as I know, RAID-1 is meant for two drives
(mirror) only.  I don't see why you couldn't add an
extra drive as a hot spare, to put into the mirror
when one drive dies.

If you have three (or more) drives, then I recommend
RAID-5 instead, though with four drives, you could do
a RAID-0+1 (I think that's what they call it -
basically a stripe that is then mirrored.)

As for adding drives, I'm not really sure.  I have a
four drive RAID-5, and I'm not really sure how I'd add
another drive into the array - then again, I don't
have any more room in the hacked up SCSI drive case
and the Epia is out of IDE ports.  I know that you can
add them as hot spares, but I'm not sure about into
the array themselves.

Sorry this doesn't help much, perhaps somebody who is
more knowledgeable about RAID and using it within
MythTV (as opposed to just using it for a Samba file
server) can give more pointees.

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Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

[Joe Votour]

--- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sunday 08 January 2006 14:30, Michael Haan wrote:
> > On 1/8/06, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Sunday 08 January 2006 13:20, Joe Votour
> wrote:
> > > > --- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> > > > > Thanks for the help!
> > > > > --
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
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> > >
> > > I have nvRaid, so I guess I'm better off using
> the linux "md" raid.
> > > So are these SATA ports useless to me? could I
> still use them and just
> > > use "md" for the actual RAID stuff?
> > >
> >
> > Yes, that's exactly what I do.  4 SATA 250's in a
> RAID 5 config using
> > mdadm.
> 
> So you use the raid controller but use mdadm to
> handle the RAID array?
> 
> thanks,
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What you do is use the ports in non-RAID mode (i.e.
make them all regular SATA ports) and use mdadm to
create and manage the RAID array.

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Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

[Joe Votour]

--- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm in need of setting up RAID for my recordings
> drive since now I'm able to 
> capture 2 HD + 1SD at a time, plus want to be able
> to do commercial flagging, 
> and for the time being, playback at least 1 HD
> stream.
> 
> I ordered 2 new harddrives which, while different
> than my current recordings 
> drive are the same size, so if needed I can use all
> three.
> 
> My question is, would it be better to use the
> onboard RAID controller on my 
> motherboard or the software RAID linux has?
> 
> I plan on doing a RAID0 since I'm not too worried
> about loosing my data, but 
> more worried about overall speed. I plan on backing
> up any recordings I want 
> to save to another drive (which hopefully will be a
> RAID5 as my next drive 
> project).
> 
> Thanks for the help!
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It really depends on the controller itself.

Most of the controllers included on motherboards
nowadays are just software-based controllers anyway,
so you'd be using CPU horsepower to control them.

I did some research into this when my employer was
looking to rebuild a server - he wanted to go SATA
hardware RAID, so we now have a nice expensive 3ware
card.

Here's a page with some information about SATA RAID,
with cards listed by hardware RAID or software RAID
(aka fakeraid):
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html

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Re: [mythtv-users] EPG Times Off

[Joe Votour]

Use the SQL query, "delete from program".

-- Joe

--- Kichigai Mentat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi. I recently attempted to fix the timezone on my
> MythTV backend,  
> only to find out that all programs are perpetually
> six hours off. I  
> am unable to fix my EPG timing, finding it
> constantly trying to  
> record shows six hours earlier than they are
> actually on.
> 
> To make things more annoying, I'm finding shows that
> *were* scheduled  
> for one showing that I cannot delete after I changed
> the time zone.
> 
> Is there some way to wipe *only* the EPG data so
> mythfilldatabase can  
> refill it from scratch?
> 
> I'm using KnoppMyth R5A30.
> 
> - 
> Duct Tape Tip No. 23:
>  Tape furnace ductwork*
> *We have never actually tried this one, and have no
> idea if it works.  
> Therefore, we can only suggest this use, not
> actually recomend it.
>   --The Duct Tape Book by Jim and Tim
> 
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> 
>
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Re: [mythtv-users] 2006-01-06 12:00:29.570 Realtime priority would require SUID as root.

[Joe Votour]

Depends on your linux distribution and kernel version,
apparently.

The documentation now has some information about this:
http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4

-- Joe

--- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> though I ran 
> chmod 4755 on all the myth files in /usr/local/bin I
> still get:
> 2006-01-06 12:00:29.570 Realtime priority would
> require SUID as root.
> 
> so what else do I have to SUID as root?
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 Clear & PVR-150 With Static

[Joe Votour]

In theory, the PVR-150 and the PVR-250/350 are the
same hardware wise for the encoder.  In principle,
however, this is not the case.  The tuner chip is
different (I really wish Hauppauge would have put a
digital tuner instead of the can tuner), and I think
that the MPEG-2 encoder chip is different as well.

These two factors combine to a picture that isn't as
great on my PVR-500 as it was on my PVR-250 or
PVR-350.  It might not be just a hardware issue either
- it could be the tuner definitions in the software, I
honestly don't know.  I was going to do some testing
with the equipment that we have here in the office,
but it is good for digital signals only, not analog.

At this point, I don't have any solutions, but in my
case, the difference between my PVR-350 and my PVR-500
are night and day, but I also have a marginal cable
signal.

-- Joe

--- Jeff Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am having a bit of trouble getting the PVR-150
> working well with 
> Myth 18.1 running on Fedora-4, IVTV 0.4.0.
> I've looked for a while for a solution to this
> problem but haven't come 
> up with anything.
> 
> I recently bought a PVR-150 to add to my
> existing backend/frontend 
> which has a PVR-350 working great.
> The PVR-150 is working although there is alot of
> static on all channels 
> as opposed to a very clean picture with the PVR-350.
> I have tried switching the cable connections between
> the two cards with 
> no change. Tried using different PCI slots as well.
> 
> I noticed in the capture card settings, there
> isn't a selection 
> specifically for the 150, only the 250/350. When I
> select 250/350
> for use with the 150 I am given the option of
> Tuner-0 & Tuner-1, I have 
> tried both with no change. I am using the same cable
> signal/listings
> for both cards.
> 
> Thank you for any help which may be
> offered, I'm out of 
> ideas at this point.
> 
> Dmesg output:
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv: 
> ==  NEXT CARD  
> ==
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: Autodetected WinTV
> PVR 150 card 
> (iTVC16 based)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: PCI: Enabling device
> :02:0b.0 (0014 -> 0016)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt
> :02:0b.0[A] -> Link 
> [LNKH] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: Unreasonably low
> latency timer, 
> setting to 64 (was 32)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: tveeprom: ivtv version
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: tveeprom: Hauppauge:
> model = 26052, rev = 
> C199, serial# = 8248373
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: tveeprom: tuner = TCL
> 2002N 5H (idx = 99, 
> type = 50)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: tveeprom: tuner fmt =
> NTSC(M) (eeprom = 0x08, 
> v4l2 = 0x1000)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: tveeprom: audio processor
> = CX25843 (type = 25)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: tveeprom: decoder
> processor = CX25843 (type = 1e)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: i2c attach to card
> #1 ok 
> [client=tveeprom, addr=50]
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: tuner (ivtv): chip found
> at addr 0xc2 i2c-bus 
> ivtv i2c driver #1
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: i2c attach to card
> #1 ok 
> [client=(tuner unset), addr=61]
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: cx25840 2-0044:
> cx25843-23 found @ 0x88 (ivtv 
> i2c driver #1)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: cx25840 2-0044: loaded 
> /lib/modules/HcwMakoA.ROM firmware (13353 bytes)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: i2c attach to card
> #1 ok 
> [client=cx25840, addr=44]
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: wm8775 2-001b: chip found
> @ 0x36 (ivtv i2c 
> driver #1)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: i2c attach to card
> #1 ok 
> [client=wm8775, addr=1b]
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: loading
> /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: Encoder revision:
> 0x02040024
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1 warning: Encoder
> Firmware can be buggy, 
> use version 0x02040011 or 0x02050032.
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: Allocate DMA
> encoder MPEG stream: 128 
> x 32768 buffers (4096KB total)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: Allocate DMA
> encoder YUV stream: 194 x 
> 10800 buffers (2048KB total)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: Allocate DMA
> encoder VBI stream: 120 x 
> 17472 buffers (2048KB total)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: Allocate DMA
> encoder PCM audio stream: 
> 455 x 4608 buffers (2048KB total)
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: tuner: type set to 50
> (TCL 2002N) by ivtv i2c 
> driver #1
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv1: Initialized WinTV
> PVR 150, card #1
> Jan  3 23:32:43 tv kernel: ivtv: 
>   END INIT IVTV  
> 
> 
> 
> Modprobe.conf:
> alias usb-controller ehci-hcd
> 
> # ivtv (PVR-350)
> alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c
> # ivtv modules setup
> alias char-major-81 ivtv
> alias char-major-81-0 ivtv
> alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv
> install ivtv /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ivtv;
> /sbin/modprobe ivtv-fb
> #
> #install lirc_i2c /sbin/modprobe ivtv;
> /sbin/modprobe --ignore

Re: [mythtv-users] No channels in db, but mythfilldatabase says "Data is already present"

[Joe Votour]

Check that you actually have channels in the database.
 They should have been created on the first invocation
of mythfilldatabase.

To check that you have channel information, run mysql
and do the query, "select * from channel;".  That
should show you a channel list.  If you want to remove
them, you can do "delete from channel;".

To get rid of the program listings in the database,
you can use the query, "delete from program;".

-- Joe

--- mikepolniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The mythfrontend complains that "You don't have any
> channels defined in
> the database"but when i run mythfilldatabase it
> won't update the
> channels because it says "Data is already present
> for ...these days..."
> 
> Short of dropping the mysql 'mythconverg' database,
> how do i get mythfilldatabase to 
> re-populate the db ?
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Re: [mythtv-users] Alternate source of TV Listings?

[Joe Votour]

I feel your DataDirect pain - my provider is listed,
but it is a small cable company (they take the DirecTV
feed with many set-top boxes, or some equivalent and
then rebroadcast on analog within the apartments), and
about 15 channels have their listings information
offset by three hours.  I have submitted a patch that
will at least correct the offset, here's hoping that
it gets committed, otherwise I'll have to use
xmltv_grab_na_dd, modify the data and run
mythfilldatabaSe with the --manual flag.  Ugh.

In my case, Zap2It has been rather unresponsive - well
that's not 100% accurate.  They were responsive until
I told them which channels were wrong, and then they
stopped being responsive.  I can see it from their
perspective though - what it costs them to update
guide listings is far more than what we provide them
in marketing information.

Before the DataDirect protocol was established, MythTV
used to use XMLTV to scrape the Zap2It webpages and
convert them into XML.  If you want TitanTV
information, I think that this is the route you'd
havce to go.  You might want to see if the XMLTV
people have been working on a TitanTV grabber.

-- Joe

--- Bret Schuhmacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I'm in the US, in the 37380 postal code.  My
> provider isn't in
> DataDirect's list.  XMLTV gets its info from
> DataDirect
> (xmltv_grab_na_dd), as does the default "DataDirect"
> data retrieval
> method (obviously ;-)).  I've sent a couple of
> emails to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I have no idea if they're
> listening or how long
> it takes to set up a new feed on their side.
> 
> Any ideas where I can get a listing for my cable
> provider?
> 
> MythTV doesn't support TitanTV, does it?  Don't
> think so... :-(  They
> have my provider listed...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bret
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Re: [mythtv-users] Redirecting PVR-350 audio to soundcard for live TV / playback

[Joe Votour]

--- Jan Kat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> After googling this problem for over a week, I'm
> beginning to think
> there is no solution.  But hopefully someone here
> can tell me once and
> for all if this can be done or if it can't and I
> just need to let it go
> and move on.
> 
> My setup:
> 
> Compaq DeskPro EN SFF - 400MHz Celeron (Mendocino),
> 128MB RAM, ES1869
> onboard sound
> 
> WinTV PVR-350 (model 48132, rev. K268) w/ tuner LG
> TAPE H001F MK3 (type
> 47)
> 
> Gentoo 2005.4, kernel 2.6.14-gentoo-r5
> (gentoo-sources)
> 
> IVTV 0.4.0 (latest from IVTV site)
> 
> MythTV 0.18.1-r1 (emerged)
> 
> 
> My problem (and some history):
> 
> The PC is a small form factor originally intended as
> a network
> appliance.  Painted black, it looks sharp with my
> other stereo
> components.  However, there is no audio line-in on
> the rear bezel nor
> pinned out on the motherboard.
> 
> I started with a 2.4 kernel but couldn't tune in any
> stations; an
> upgrade to 2.6 seems to have fixed that (though it
> could have been one
> of the many other things I tried).  Everything
> works, but the audio from
> live TV and playback comes through the PVR-350 (in
> MythVideo, mplayer
> plays video through the PVR-350 and audio through
> the ES1869).
> 
> As noted, I can't loopback audio from the PVR-350 to
> the ES1869 as there
> is no line-in.  I know that audio can be pulled
> directly over the PCI
> bus from bttv cards; I'm wondering if the same can
> be done with a
> PVR-350, and how I would set that up?
> 
> I read that MythTV 0.18.1 fixes "live TV audio loss
> when viewing mpeg2
> transport streams."  That sure sounds like my
> problem, but maybe I've
> misconfigured something so that bug fix isn't
> implemented?  Maybe
> Gentoo's MythTV-0.18.1-r1 is configured a certain
> way and I need to
> unmerge it and download and compile directly from
> the MythTV site?
> 
> I have one PCI slot free so I can put another sound
> card in, but I find
> this solution distasteful as I already have a
> perfectly good (if
> incomplete) sound card on the motherboard (which
> took some effort to set
> up, too).  But if I have no choice, I have no
> choice.
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You have two options here:
1. Don't use the PVR-350 MPEG-2 decoder for watching
shows.  Use Xv that is provided with the newest
drivers (0.4.x).
2. Put in a second sound card and use it for looping
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Re: [mythtv-users] One For All remote

[Joe Votour]

--- Scott Bickford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a urc-6131nB00.  I have some keys working
> after programming the pvr 
> button to 0081 for a PVR-350.  Specifically the up,
> left and right arrows 
> work, but not the down arrow.  I tried different
> down efc codes and none of 
> them generated the down code in irw, but some other
> code.  So, the button 
> does work, but I cannot seem to figure out what the
> efc code is for the down 
> arrow.
> 
> Any ideas?
> Scott
> 
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I have a URC-6131B00 (according to the back of my
remote), does yours look like this:
http://www.ofausa.com/remote.php?type=URC%206131

If so, then I have lirc configuration files and
instructions at my website, as this is the remote I
use:
http://www.vulturesnest.net/mythtvremote.html

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Re: [mythtv-users] mythfilldatabase with myself XML file option error

[Joe Votour]

Do you have mythbackend running when you run
mythfilldatabase?  That's what usually causes the
"Connection timed out" message.

What I've found though is that doesn't usually affect
the updating of EPG listings, so they should have been
loaded in anyway (if there was something to load).

-- Joe

--- YanJun Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am running Fedora core 3, I want to use myself XML
> file to  fill EPG database. I am in mainland of
> China.  My EPG data  is chinese, so I fetch channel
> and program data from my ORCAL database with perl
> lanauage(that is not writen by me)
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] mythfilldatabase]# mythfilldatabase
> --file sourceid=-1 offset=-1 
> /home/Source/20051216.xml
> ### bypassing grabbers, reading directly from file
> 2005-12-16 19:08:11.834 New DB connection, total: 1
> 2005-12-16 19:08:11.967 New DB connection, total: 2
> Updating icons for sourceid: 0
> Updated programs: 0  Unchanged programs: 0
> Adjusting program database end times...
> 0 replacements made.
> Marking repeats...found 0
> Unmarking repeats from grabber that fall within our
> new episode window...found 0
> 2005-12-16 19:08:12.049 Connecting to backend
> server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
> Connection timed out.
> You probably should modify the Master Server
> settings
> in the setup program and set the proper IP address.
> error resceduling id -1 in
> ScheduledRecording::signalChange
> what is wrong?
> Thanks and cheers
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] libmythtv?

[Joe Votour]

Chances are that MythTV was installed under /usr/local
(with libmythtv.so being put in /usr/local/lib), and
that isn't in your library search path.

Try adding the line "/usr/local/lib" to your
/etc/ld.so.conf file, and run ldconfig (all as root).

(If MythTV was installed someplace else, that can be
worked around too, but I think that /usr/local is most
common, except for Fedora and their packagers who have
a thing for putting everything in /usr.)

-- Joe

--- jester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm setting up myth for the first time. When i try
> and run 'mythtv-setup' I 
> get the following error:
> 
> # mythtv-setup
> mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries:
> libmythtv-0.18.so.0: 
> cannot open shared object file: No such fileor
> directory
> 
> Ideas?
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Window focus problem... again

[Joe Votour]

Use a window manager.  You don't need a full desktop
environment like KDE or GNOME - even ratpoision will
suffice (it's what I use).

If you don't have a window manager running, then
you'll run into problems with focus (as evidenced by
the huge number of posts in the archives about this).

-- Joe

--- Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As many others, when I exit out of xine or
> mythbrowser I lose focus and 
> don't get all of the functionality back. I know you
> can get an updated 
> version of xine but I am trying to stick with
> standard debian packages. 
> I just use X  and don't have anything else
> installed. (start 
> mythfrontend with .xsession) I'm running 0.18.1
> 
> Is there a way to fix the focus issue for both
> mythbrowser and xine 
> without fixing xine itself to drop back to the
> desktop? Even if I did do 
> that, it doesn't solve the mythbrowser doing the
> same thing. (mplayer 
> works great but I need to see the dvd menus)
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Time Offset Problem

[Joe Votour]

My experience (others may vary) has shown that
mythfilldatabase doesn't seem to replace the data.  My
way of making it do so is to delete everything from
the "program" table in the MySQL database.

mysql -u mythtv -p (where  is the
MySQL password for your mythtv user, usually "mythtv")
use mythconverg;
delete from program;
quit

At this point, you can run mythfilldatabase and it
will download the program data again.

This may not be the best way to fix the problem, but
it certainly works for me.

-- Joe 

--- Chris Ribe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Assuming I had fixed the offending setting, how
> would I gop about restoring
> normalcy?  I've been fiddling with various settings,
> then rerunning
> mythfilldatabase in the hopes of fixing the problem,
> but nothing has
> changed.
> 
> On 12/13/05, Chris Ribe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I've checked all of the mythtvsetup menus multiple
> times, in addition to
> > all of the frontend menus which seemed even
> remotely relevant, all with no
> > luck.
> >
> > I certainly possible that I just keep missing it,
> but I can't find that
> > setting anywhere.
> >
> > On 12/13/05, Stuart Morgan < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > There is a EPG offset setting somewhere,
> possibly in mythtv-setup. Check
> > > that
> > > it is set to zero or try adjusting it to
> whatever works.
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Re: [mythtv-users] How does MythTV process EPG data from standard XML fromat?

[Joe Votour]

MythTV accepts two XML formats - that which is
presented by DataDirect (in North America), and that
which the XMLTV grabbers return (the rest of the
world).  They have different structures, so they are
parsed differently.

I couldn't even really begin to explain how it works
(though I have gone through this code for a patch I
submitted a couple of weeks ago).  I would advise that
you look at the file filldata.cpp in
programs/mythfilldatabase.  I don't remember if
anything in libmythtv also integrates with the
non-DataDirect sources or not.

-- Joe

--- YanJun Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Hi team
>   It is well know that EPG data is written by
> XML format . so MythTV must grab a certain format
> data from XML format and would fill channel or
> program of mythconverg database, for instance, such
> chanid, channum, freqid, sourceid ... 
>  field inchannel.how to fill this data field
> with MythTV?
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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: yet another mythtv theme "RETRO"

[Joe Votour]

Gerhard,

There likely are issues with the copyright, but I
think that as long as you don't include the font with
the theme, you should be alright.  You're just
referencing the font by name, and if the font doesn't
exist, Qt will just substitute another font in place
of it.  After all, the Titivillius (sp?) uses
Trebuchet MS (which is a Windows font), and doesn't
include it - no problems there.

-- Joe

--- gerhard aldorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> -While the DirecTV signal is on the fritz because of
> -the pouring rain here, I decided to look into the
> font
> -issue myself.  I changed the font to Franklin
> Gothic
> -Medium, and it looks pretty good.  I think that the
> -program guide actually looks better in Franklin
> Gothic
> -than Trebuchet MS, but I suppose that's a personal
> -preference.
> 
> -Regardless of the font used, the items in the main
> -menu are a bit small.  Perhaps in exchange for the
> -smaller text, you can put more items on the screen?
> 
> -- Joe
> 
> Thanks Joe
> 
> I'll try out the Franklin Gothic font. Are there any
> copyright issues with the M$ fonts? As for the items
> in the main menu I may make them bigger. My intent
> is to keep it simple and dont put too many things
> there.
> 
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RE: [mythtv-users] 350 FB and Mame

[Joe Votour]

--- Marty Ravell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Joe Votour
> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 2:23 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] 350 FB and Mame
> 
> If you're using Xv, then MAME on the PVR-350
> framebuffer is quite usable.  Of course, it depends
> on
> the game also.
> 
> On my Athlon64 3200+, playing my favorite game,
> Mortal
> Kombat II, I could get about 50fps on a GeForce
> 5200FX.  The same scenario on my PVR-350 would get
> me
> about 40fps.
> 
> The only catch that you might have is that part of
> the
> screen will be chopped off, unless you can play with
> the geometry settings or something.  I never really
> got to this part, since I switched back to the
> 5200FX.
> 
> -- Joe
> 
> 
> How would you rate the performance of the 5200FX for
> video playback compared
> with the hardware decoder output of the PVR350?
> 
> 
> Marty
> 
> 
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Quality wise, there is no comparison, the 350 wins
hands down.  But, I didn't use the MPEG-2 decoder
because in order to adjust the volume on it, I had to
make an external script to adjust the volume on
line-in (and I lost the OSD for that).  Using Xv on
the 350 gives decent results also, but not quite as
good as the MPEG decoder.

Gees, now you're makihng me think that I want to start
using the PVR-350 output again...  I keep
flip-flopping on that.  :)

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: yet another mythtv theme "RETRO"

[Joe Votour]

--- gerhard aldorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > Love the direction of the OSD. Whats the
> direction/intent for the theme
> > though? Retro makes me think old style stereo
> equipment, this just looks
> > like old pictures?
> 
> My intent was to make a simple and clean theme pluss
> I do like old rettro 
> equipments from the estetics of it. All watermarks
> er made  in 3D. The OSD is 
> something I did a long time ago and you might have
> it allready installed on 
> you system.
> 
> 
> > I like the looks of that theme very much.  It's
> > simple, but elegant.
> >
> > Is there a particular Qt theme that you recommend
> > using with it?  Also, the font, is that a TrueType
> > font from Windows (it looks like Franklin Gothic
> > Medium).
> >
> > -- Joe
> >
> The "screenshots" er photoshop mockups with Franklin
> Gothic. The fonts 
> actually used  are the ones that come with mythtv, I
> will look into that 
> later. Suggestions for fonts are welcome I'm not
> good with  fonts. I do 3D 
> animations and motion graphics, mostly for TV.
> 
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Gerhard,

While the DirecTV signal is on the fritz because of
the pouring rain here, I decided to look into the font
issue myself.  I changed the font to Franklin Gothic
Medium, and it looks pretty good.  I think that the
program guide actually looks better in Franklin Gothic
than Trebuchet MS, but I suppose that's a personal
preference.

Regardless of the font used, the items in the main
menu are a bit small.  Perhaps in exchange for the
smaller text, you can put more items on the screen?

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Re: [mythtv-users] 350 FB and Mame

[Joe Votour]

If you're using Xv, then MAME on the PVR-350
framebuffer is quite usable.  Of course, it depends on
the game also.

On my Athlon64 3200+, playing my favorite game, Mortal
Kombat II, I could get about 50fps on a GeForce
5200FX.  The same scenario on my PVR-350 would get me
about 40fps.

The only catch that you might have is that part of the
screen will be chopped off, unless you can play with
the geometry settings or something.  I never really
got to this part, since I switched back to the 5200FX.

-- Joe

--- Marty Ravell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One of the last things that I have yet to get sorted
> with my rig is the
> playing of Mame. I run an FC3 combined front and
> backend from Jarod's guide
> (ATRPMs) with X on the framebuffer of a Hauppauge
> PVR-350 (PAL). MB is an
> Intel with a 2.8GHz P4, 512Mb RAM and 500g of disk.
> 
> Video quality for recorded shows is of course
> excellent on the 350 and it is
> for this reason that I am resisting the idea of
> going to a normal video card
> with TV out.
> 
> Is Mame over the 350's framebuffer viable? Are there
> any good guides to
> getting it setup?
> 
> 
> Regards
> Marty
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Re: [mythtv-users] Silent Fan for Socket A (AthlonXP 3000)

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--- Meatwad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Brad Fuller wrote:
> 
> > Joe Votour wrote:
> > 
> >>If your board has the four holes surrounding the
> CPU
> >>(which is apparently not required by AMD in Socket
> A
> >>designs), then you can use one of the Zalman
> flower
> >>designs.  When the fan is turned down to the
> lowest,
> >>it's very quiet, and still does a good job of
> cooling.
> >> (I use them in all of my PCs, including my socket
> 754
> >>MythTV machine.)
> >
> > I just put in a all copper Zalman on a socket 754.
> Much quieter than the 
> > stock.
> > you probably could get by with the copper and
> aluminum mix. I think it 
> > was $20 cheaper at newegg.com.
> 
> I have three of the Zalman Cu/Al flowers right now -
> first one bought 
> over two years ago IIRC. No problems whatsoever. At
> the speeds they are 
> set at now, they cannot be heard over the
> Silverstone power supplies 
> I've been using. There may be quieter fansinks out
> there but I haven't 
> felt the need to improve on these.
> 
> Slightly off-topic, is anyone using a Seasonic power
> supply? I was 
> reading some reviews and they sound promising. 80+
> efficiency across all 
> loads sounds like a really good idea for and media
> center machine. If 
> they are as quiet as the reviewers claim, I'll
> probably switch.
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I have two Seasonic power supplies actually - I have a
Super Tornado 400W in my MythTV machine, and an S12 in
my Via EPIA-based file server.  (I was also using a
Super Silencer in my desktop until I picked up a P150
case which includes the NeoHE).

I find that the Seasonic power supplies are great, and
are very quiet.  I can't say that I've actually
measured real numbers on them, but the noisiest thing
in my MythTV machine is the two 60mm exhaust fans on
the back.  With those fans undervolted, the machine is
reasonably quiet (by reasonably, I mean, I can't hear
it while sitting on the couch, 10 or so feet away).

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Re: [mythtv-users] Silent Fan for Socket A (AthlonXP 3000)

[Joe Votour]

If your board has the four holes surrounding the CPU
(which is apparently not required by AMD in Socket A
designs), then you can use one of the Zalman flower
designs.  When the fan is turned down to the lowest,
it's very quiet, and still does a good job of cooling.
 (I use them in all of my PCs, including my socket 754
MythTV machine.)

Otherwise, another good heatsink is the Thermalright
XP series.  They're just a big block, and you attach
your own (quiet) fan onto them (of course, you need to
find a quiet fan).

If you're looking to make a quieter PC, I highly
recommend that you check out
http://www.silentpcreview.com - they have reviews of
many heatsinks along with noise readings.

-- Joe

--- Jeff Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am upgrading the processor in my myth/desktop box
> from an AthlonXP 1600 to
> a 3000 (because it's the fastest processor my board
> can support and I was
> going to buy another 1600 for somebody else but
> opted to trade mine up and
> give them my old one instead).
> 
> I need to get a new fan because the one I have
> doesn't cool enough for a
> 3000. I have always gotten the Thermaltake brand and
> really like them, but I
> want to get something quiet. I looked for the
> Thermaltake SilentBoost A1889,
> and while it seems like a great + quiet fan, there
> are NO vendors that have
> any stock in these, except the ones selling it for
> $50 (instead of $20).
> 
> I have an order placed for one, but I expect it,
> like the others, will be
> cancelled when they realize they have no stock.
> 
> So my question: Anybody have other suggestions for
> good silent SocketA fans
> that will be happy cooling an AthlonXP 3000? I'd
> like to keep cost under $30
> and preferably have the noise rating close to or
> under 20dBA. Thanks
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] yet another mythtv theme "RETRO"

[Joe Votour]

Gerhard,

I like the looks of that theme very much.  It's
simple, but elegant.

Is there a particular Qt theme that you recommend
using with it?  Also, the font, is that a TrueType
font from Windows (it looks like Franklin Gothic
Medium).

-- Joe

--- gerhard aldorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi
> Here is my attemped to create a theme for mythtv.
> This is just a start 
> and only the main theme.xml and most of the
> watermarks are done. Unpack 
> it  in your mythtv themes directory an give it a
> try. It should work 
> nicely with the isthmus OSD which I made some time
> ago. You can find it 
> at http://www.aldorf.no/mythtv/
> 
> Constructive comments are welcomed.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] FC4 compiling from SVN needed apps??

[Joe Votour]

You need the development packages as well.  What you
need also depends on how much of MythTV you want to
build.  You need extra dependencies to build
MythMusic, MythVideo, etc.

Take that list, add the "-devel" packages to it, and
you should be fine for the basics.  If you want OpenGL
vsync, then you need to grab the "-devel" package for
the nVidia drivers (nvidia-graphics-devel).

XMLTV is not required in North America, but since
ATrpms installs it, I install it as well.  It is
helpful for grabbing the icons for your channel
lineup, but not required.

I don't know if this has been fixed or not, but I had
problems with lirc.  The version in ATrpms is
incompatible with the lirc-devel that yum tried to
fetch for me.  I had to remove the one from ATrpms,
and them to a "yum install lirc-devel" (which pulled
in the matching version of lirc) to ensure that my
versions were in sync.

Basically, through the process of running the
configure script and finding out which options could
be detected, you should be able to figure out which
extra "-devel" packages you need to build the main
program and the plugins.

-- Joe


--- A JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm compiling Myth from SVN on a FC4 box and was
> hoping someone could help
> me identify the needed apps. for a successful
> compile. I've read the docs
> and it shows the the following.
> 
> "As of 2003¡Ý03¡Ý15, this list includes mysql, gcc,
> freetype2¡Ýdevel,
> XFree86¡Ýdevel, qt¡Ýdevel and lame. If you're going
> to use a
> remote control with MythTV, you're going to need the
> cdialog package in
> order to compile lircd if your
> distribution doesn't have a pre¡Ýpackaged lirc. If
> you are using XMLTV as a
> grabber, you will need perl."
> 
> Since I'm pretty new to compiling from source can
> someone let me know if
> this will suffice?
> 
> YUM install mysql
> YUM install gcc
> YUM install freetype2¡Ýdevel
> YUM install XFree86¡Ýdevel
> YUM install qt¡Ýdevel
> YUM install lame
> YUM install XMLTV
> YUM install perl
> 
> Since I'm in North America I read I don't need XMLTV
> if I use Zap2it? Is
> that correct?
> 
> Also, what is XFree86 used for?
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] xorg.conf file for fedora, x86_64

[Joe Votour]

I'm not using FC4 x86_64 anymore (turns out that the
RPMs in ATrpms were borked at that time (and now I'm
on the SVN version anyway), but when I was (briefly)
using it, I started out with the same problems.

I took Jarod Wilson's xorg.conf file
(http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/xorg.conf-SVid.txt)
and commented out the ModulePath and RgbPath lines. 
It was working, and I think (but can't say 100%, I
don't remember) that I had OpenGL Vsync working.

-- Joe

--- Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there anywhere that I can download a WORKING
> xorg.conf file for
> Fedora Core 4, x86_64?
> 
> It seems that all the examples out there fubar xorg
> on my system. It
> ends up failing to find modules like bitmap and
> pcidata. When I start
> using configs for x86_64 I get "failed to load GLX"
> no matter what I
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Re: [mythtv-users] DVB EPG in MythTV?

[Joe Votour]

Newer SVN versions of MythTV apparently do support
pulling in data from the DVB program descriptors (I
live in North America, where DVB isn't available, so I
can't comment on how well it works).  I have done some
DVB-related work for my employer though, so I do know
how the system works.

The EIT is the "Event Information Table" (if I
remember my TLAs correctly).  The DVB specification
supports sending lots (and I mean lots) of information
within it (the basics such as show start/end times,
program name and genre, but also things like complete
cast lists, MPEG format information, etc.).

The way it works is that within the MPEG-2 stream that
is received by your DVB card, there are video, audio
and PCR (timing) PIDs for one or many "channels",
there are extra PIDs that are added in by your
provider (or may come from the original satellite feed
- regardless of how they got there, they are there). 
A DVB card can listen on these PIDs and capture/parse
the data, and turn it into program guide entries. 
Most of it is TLV-type (type, length, value) data with
a fair amount of ASCII text.

As I said, I don't know the specifics of the EIT
processing within MythTV, but I would suggest that you
stick with the tv_grab programs if you get accurate
data from them.  The reasons that I suggest this are:
1. With the DVB streams that I have seen, the program
guide information within the DVB stream is only good
for 1-2 hours (typically, you get the "now" and
"next", the currently showing program, and the next
program).  This means that it will be difficult to
plan far ahead in the future for scheduling, since the
data just won't be there.
2. In order to get complete EIT data, your DVB card
will likely need to hit multiple frequencies to
capture the EIT data on those frequencies.  If you
have a single card and aren't recording, this won't be
an issue, but if you're recording back to back shows
and only have a single card, you've got nothing to
tune to other frequencies to find the EIT data.  In
that case, you're missing program guide listings.

Again, this information doesn't come from the MythTV
implementation (I've implemented this in the past, and
it's quite painful), but comes from my knowledge in
the area.  YMMV, depending on what kind of hardware
you have, and how much program data you want (I'm
quite happy with DataDirect, and having about 10 days
worth of listings).

-- Joe

--- Jakob Fix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I've heard that Myth should be capable by now to
> retrieve EPG data
> from the DVB stream.  There seems to be quite some
> talk on the dev
> list.
> 
> Is this correct?  If so, which version of Myth
> should one have in
> order for this to work?
> 
> So far I'm using tv_grab_dvb which works fine
> although it has some
> problems with timezones, and it only gets the
> current channel's
> transport stream's EPG data.
> 
> Oh, and what does EIT mean, and what's the
> difference with EPG
> (wikipedia was no help here)?
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] RAID suggestions

[Joe Votour]

--- Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> After using MythTV for quite some time. I'm starting
> to think I might 
> want a raid controller to use with my 2 hitachi
> deskstars (250GB)
> 
> I'm sort of looking at a 3ware 7506-4LP but I hear
> the performance isn't 
> all that and its more for redudancy. I'm going for
> both size and speed 
> since it seems a lot of the wait is in the drive,
> plus I want lots of 
> storage. I have little faith in software raid
> controllers and really 
> want the whole process offloaded from the CPU so it
> can do things like 
> commflag. (hence the 3ware with good linux support)
> 
> Does anybody have any suggestions to get the most
> speed out of my 2 
> drives? Also, I am not opposed to buying 2 SATA II
> drives and a 3ware 
> SATA controller for the backend. Is it really that
> big of a difference? 
> Things seem slow with mythcommflag running, 3 shows
> recording and trying 
> to bring up the recorded programs from mythweb. I
> plan on adding an 
> HD-3000 to the mix which I hear I need almost an
> entire systems 
> resources by itself just to watch live HDTV since it
> isn't HW encoded. 
> And I prefer not using XvMC since the only thing
> I've managed to do with 
> it is make the picture look worse and have the
> computer crash every 
> couple of hours with it on.
> 
> Any suggestions on the raid card and hardware
> configuration?
> 
> Thanks
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This answer does somewhat ignore the criteria of
"hardware RAID", but I offer my solution.  Take it for
what it's worth.

I wanted some extra space with redundancy, so I chose
to go with a RAID-5 solution in my MythTV case.  I
have a Silverstone LC-10, which will hold 4x 3.5"
drives, plus 2x 5.25" drives (though only one of the
5.25" drives is available externally, and it *must* be
a CD/DVD-ROM type drive.

I was really liking it, but I found that the case was
getting very warm, to the point that during the heat
wave over the summer (in California) that I had to
keep the MythTV machine powered down, or at least
unhook the power to the disks.  Wiring was also messy,
even though I was using PATA to SATA controllers on
the drives (in an attempt to use SATA wires).

My ultimate solution was to buy a case designed for
SCSI drives, but without the SCSI wiring.  I had a VIA
EPIA lying around that I wasn't using anyway (I tried
it out for MythTV, never found that I liked the idea
of seperate frontend/backend, the EPIA didn't have
enough ooomph to play some of my more intense MAME
games), so I used it.  I cut out a hole in the back of
the case (for the connectors) and mounted the
motherboard via tie-wraps.

Now I've got a four drive RAID-5 running with the EPIA
motherboard.  I use hdparm to spin the drives down
when they're not in use (which is quite often), and it
runs cool and quiet.  I'm using IDE drives, so the
wiring is a bit of a mess, but I don't think that SATA
supports the spindown feature via hdparm (although
there might be some other program I don't know about,
or it could have been my converters).  I use the two
IDE connectors on the VIA board, plus a Promise
ATA-100 controller card in the PCI slot, and use Linux
software RAID-5.

This might seem extreme, but I had most of the
components already, and I didn't mind soldering up a
power switch and doing some cutting.  After writing
software for 8-9 hours a day, doing some tinkering
around with hand tools is relaxing.  :)

I opted for software RAID myself because I didn't want
to shell out the money for a hardware RAID card. 
Also, this case is somewhat small and might not have
accomodated it.  Plus, I didn't want SATA, since I
wanted to be able to spin the drives down when they
weren't in use.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Gnome and Sound -- not being shared

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--- Mlists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yea, thats one option but turning it off and on when
> I want to use myth
> is a bit of a pain.  I would have thought I could
> get them to work
> together. In fact, on my other system is does just
> that but I don't know
> what the difference is... other then sound cards are
> different.  They
> are both Debian systems running Gnome, one with a
> Soundblaster Live and
> my notebook with an Intel8x0 sound card.
> 
> Norm
> 
> On Sun, 2005-13-11 at 16:16 -0500, Michael T. Dean
> wrote:
> > Mlists wrote:
> > 
> > >Hi there -- having a problem with sound and myth.
>  It seems Gnome is not
> > >playing nice and not sharing the sound device. 
> How can I solve this?
> > >  
> > >
> > Turn off GNOME's sound daemon (ESD?).
> > 
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If I recall correctly, the SoundBlaster Live has a
hardware mixer, so that you can play multiple (two,
anyway) sounds at once without the need for software
mixing (which is what ESD would do).  The Intel 8x0
chip, being one of the "budget" chips would likely not
have this capability, thus a software mixer would be
required.

To get an application to run using ESD, I think you
can do something like "esddsp ",
but I don't think that using esddsp with mythfrontend
would work, you'd have to use it with the "mythtv"
program.  How easily that would work, I don't know.

If the machine is a dedicated MythTV only machine,
then I'd say switch off ESD, and don't even run Gnome,
but run something like ratpoision instead.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Testing DMA with VIA chipset?

[Joe Votour]

--- "Michael T. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Robert Winburne wrote:
> 
> > It seems like I will be buying another MB -
> probably newegg's Foxconn 
> > 748K7AA SiS 748.  As it is cheap, non-VIA, and
> supports my other H/W.  
> > ...That is, unless someone thinks it's a bad
> idea??? :)
> 
> I got an SiS-based motherboard for my PVR-x50 setup
> and it was 
> rock-solid stable.
> 
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Likewise.

I have no problems on my Athlon64 with a PVR-350 and a
PVR-500 on a SiS755-based board from ECS.  Prior to
that I used an Athlon XP with a PVR-250 and PVR-350 on
a GigaByte SiS748-based board with no problems.

I know nothing in particular about the Foxconn board,
but it's probably fine.

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[mythtv-users] Assistance requested on SVN build with XMLTV (for developing a patch)

[Joe Votour]

Hi,

I'm working on a patch for MythTV regarding my post on
Per-channel time offsets for program listings
(http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/159850?search_string=per-channel;#159850).
 I've got the DataDirect side working, but in order to
complete the patch, I'd like to get something working
for the XMLTV grabbers also.

Unfortunately, I'm having difficulty in getting XMLTV
to work with SVN (I haven't downgraded to 0.18.1 to
try it yet).  I'm using SVN version 7800 (I'll update
once I have finished the patch to make sure that it's
still good against HEAD), but I've already tried a
couple of grabbers, and neither of them actually want
to insert anything into the "program" database.  I'm
getting a bunch of messages like:
Unknown xmltv channel identifier:
9.fredag.dagbladet.no
Skipping channel.

Then at the end, naturally, I get:
Updated programs: 0  Unchanged programs: 0
Failed to fetch some program info
Could somebody who's running SVN using one of the
XMLTV grabbers please give me a hand in setting this
up, so that I can complete the patch?

I'm in North America, so I haven't used XMLTV in a
long time (not since before DataDirect).  I'm running
Fedora Core 4, with SVN version 7800, and XMLTV 0.5.40
from ATrpms.

Thanks,
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Re: [mythtv-users] No sound with DVD playback

[Joe Votour]

I don't think that you can do what you're looking to
do (at least not very easily).

The PVR-350 audio input is meant as a capture. 
Therefore, if you use it's audio inputs, that implies
that you're capturing video on the S-Video or the
composite inputs.

You would need to have the sound come out of the sound
card, capture it with the PVR-350, and then play it
back as an MPEG file, overriding what currently comes
out of the card.  There will be syncronization issues.

I suppose you could try capturing the DVD over
S-Video/Line-in, and play it back as it comes in
(something like cat /dev/video0 > /dev/video16).  To
do that, you'd have to play the DVD out to another
source first (like a VGA card), and have a cable
hookup.

Long story short - it will be difficult to do, and
might even need changes to the ivtv driver.

If you're willing to give up the MPEG-2 decoder and
use Xv for playback, then everything will come out of
the sound card.  You still get decent looking output
(better than any nVidia card I've used), but then
you'd have two sets of audio cables if you want to use
the MPEG-2 decoder.

-- Joe

--- Bennett Leve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Joe,
> 
> Not sure what that would accomplish.  The sound-out
> on the pvr-350 is 
> already going to my receiver.  I need to get the DVD
> sound to go to the 
> PVR-350 so it can then take it into the receiver.
> 
> -Bennett
> 
> Joe Votour wrote:
> 
> >Connect the audio out on your PVR-350 to the
> Line-in
> >on your sound card.  Then adjust the volume by
> >changing the Line-in volume (of your soundcard)
> with
> >your favorite mixer program.
> >
> >-- Joe
> >
> >--- Bennett Leve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I am using mplayer to play DVDs via mythtv.  If I
> >>plug headphones into 
> >>my soundcard out, I can hear the sound from the
> DVD.
> >> For mythtv though 
> >>I am using the sound out on my PVR-350 which works
> >>great.
> >>
> >>Shouldn't I be able to take a mini-stereo plug
> from
> >>my sound out and put 
> >>it on the line-in on the PVR-350?  When I do this,
> I
> >>have no sound.  
> >>Maybe there is something that needs to be
> >>configured, but not sure what.
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Re: [mythtv-users] No sound with DVD playback

[Joe Votour]

Connect the audio out on your PVR-350 to the Line-in
on your sound card.  Then adjust the volume by
changing the Line-in volume (of your soundcard) with
your favorite mixer program.

-- Joe

--- Bennett Leve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I am using mplayer to play DVDs via mythtv.  If I
> plug headphones into 
> my soundcard out, I can hear the sound from the DVD.
>  For mythtv though 
> I am using the sound out on my PVR-350 which works
> great.
> 
> Shouldn't I be able to take a mini-stereo plug from
> my sound out and put 
> it on the line-in on the PVR-350?  When I do this, I
> have no sound.  
> Maybe there is something that needs to be
> configured, but not sure what.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] recommended joysticks or gamepads for xmame and mythgame

[Joe Votour]

Well, this might not meet your requirements
(wireless), but this is what I use:
http://www.x-arcade.com/two-player.shtml

I'm a big fan of Mortal Kombat II, and this works
perfectly for it - reminds me of the actual arcade
console in the feel.  There's almost no programming to
do for XMAME (it plugs into the PS/2 keyboard port and
there's a MAME configuration file you can use with a
command line parameter).

A bit high-end, but worth every penny for me.

Before that, I was using a pair of Microsoft
Sidewinders (the old 15-pin joystick/MIDI port type,
not the USB).  They worked well, but I wanted the
arcade feel.

-- Joe

--- Frank Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was wondering if someone could recommend a set of
> gamepads or
> joysticks that work well with xmame and mythgame?
> I would love to use a pair of wireless gamepads if
> thats possible. Are
> there any gotcha's tips or tricks that I should be
> aware of. Are there
> any issues to be aware of, or do most/all joypads
> work well under FC4?
> 
> cheers,
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Re: [mythtv-users] A Novice Question about PVR-500 and Commerceial Flagging

[Joe Votour]

Skipping commercials is not automatic by default, so
even though the show was flagged, you'll still see the
commercials.

You can skip the commercials by using the commercial
skip key (z) while watching the recording.

Alternatively, I'm pretty sure that there is a
configuration option somewhere, which when set, will
automatically skip the commercials.

-- Joe

--- Folashade Adeyosoye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all, 
> 
> 
> Am still new at all this (MythTV), I notices after
> recording my shows last
> night the commercial flagging began and some had
> finished. 
> 
>  
> 
> My question is what does this mean to me and how can
> I make use of this
> information.  I viewed on of the flagged shows but
> the commercial was still
> showing.
> 
>  
> 
> Any insight or website that explains this in detail
> would be very helpful.
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Per-channel time offsets

[Joe Votour]

Chris,

Well I was hoping that this functionality was already
present, but I could do it.  I've been playing around
with MySQL queries in both the C API and PHP at work
lately.  :)

I suppose if I was to do this, I would probably
implement it within mythfilldatabase, with an extra
column (time offset) in whatever table actually holds
the program listings.  Then, when the listings are
downloaded (but just before being put in the
database), I could apply the time change.  Then,
mythtv-setup would have to be modified to allow for
the entry of this offset.

So...  Basically what you suggested.  :)

I don't think that manual recordings would be an
issue, since you're specifying a time and channel.

I'll putter around in the source code and see what
happens with that.  It's better than messing around
with XMLTV content IDs.  :)

-- Joe

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 03:09:40PM -0800, Joe Votour
> wrote:
> > My situaton is that the cable provider for the
> > apartment complex that I live in uses DirecTV for
> > their cable system, and most of the channels
> (except
> > the local ones) are on Eastern feeds.  Most of the
> > listings in Zap2It are correct, but there are
> about 10
> > channels or so that are incorrect - the listings
> are
> > three hours ahead of the programming (so, for
> example,
> > something that the listings show will be on at 9PM
> is
> > actually on at 6PM).
> 
> I don't think you can do per-channel recording
> offsets within MythTV 
> itself, and even if you could it's not really the
> solution you want 
> because the listings would still be lying to you and
> *who knows* what 
> would happen if you tried to manually schedule a
> recording.
> 
> You could always hack something up :-)
> 
> The easiest solution would be to change the
> cron.daily/mythbackend 
> script so that once the listings were downloaded you
> would run an SQL 
> update query to update all of the times for the
> affected channels.  You 
> would then have to signal MythTV to re-optimize the
> scheduling.  
> There's probably a signal handler to do that already
> so you'd just need 
> to "killall -s SIGUSR1 mythbackend" or something
> similar.
> 
> A similar solution would be to subscribe to a second
> listing in the 
> eastern timezone and deselect all of the eastern
> channels from your 
> pacific listings.  That way the times would be
> correct, but the eastern 
> listings would not be attached to any tuner.  Again,
> a post-download 
> SQL script to copy the listings from source 2 to
> source 1 and trigger 
> an schedule evaluation would do the trick.
> 
> The best solution, of course, would be to write a
> patch for MythTV that 
> allows it to apply a time delta and reassign the
> channel number on a 
> per-station basis as the data is initially
> downloaded.  Changes would 
> be required in the SQL tables, mythfilldatabase and
> mythtv-setup, at 
> the very least.  Aside from cases where zap2it is
> just plain wrong, 
> this would also help in situations where channels
> have been shuffled to 
> insert local feeds (such as a condo inserting a
> lobby camera feed and 
> putting the original channel elsewhere).
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Re: [mythtv-users] ir-kbd-i2c Driver

[Joe Votour]

Two questions:
1. Are you using a window manager?
2. Are you using irxevent?

Not using a window manager would cause a focus
problem, which combined with using irxevent would
cause the keystroke to go to the wrong window.

I haven't had any problems at all using lirc-compliant
applications (mythfrontend, xmame and xine are the
ones I use).

-- Joe

--- Calvin Harrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Michael T. Dean wrote:
> 
> > Calvin Harrigan wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone tried using the ivtv driver and the
> ir-kbd-i2c driver to 
> >> make remote keypresses show as regular keyboard
> keypresses?
> >> ...
> >> It all but eliminates the need for lirc, which in
> my opinion is a 
> >> good thing.  No worrying about having lirc
> support compiled into 
> >> other packages.  e.g; Mplayer, xine, zsnes, and
> what ever other 
> >> add-ons you might use.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, instead, you can worry about remapping the
> keys for MPlayer, 
> > xine, zsnes, MythTV, and ...  (Just the reason why
> I use LIRC with my 
> > ATI Remote Wonder--for which there is also a
> kernel keyboard driver.)
> >
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Re: [mythtv-users] ir-kbd-i2c Driver

[Joe Votour]

I haven't tried this, but, in my opinion, lirc is in
fact a good thing.

If you only use MythTV programs, which share the same
keybindings, then lirc doesn't seem like such a big
deal.  However, once you add external programs into
the mix (like xine or xmame), then the configuration
gets much more complex.

I feel it's easier to use lirc and have multiple
entries in the .lircrc file (one per application per
remote button), than it is to try to synchronize the
keybindings between multiple programs.

-- Joe

--- Calvin Harrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Has anyone tried using the ivtv driver and the
> ir-kbd-i2c driver to make 
> remote keypresses show as regular keyboard
> keypresses?
> I tried it out and it works pretty good.  I was
> curious as toif  anyone 
> has made use of this cool driver in the 2.6 kernel.
> It all but eliminates the need for lirc, which in my
> opinion is a good 
> thing.  No worrying about having lirc support
> compiled into other 
> packages.  e.g; Mplayer, xine, zsnes, and what ever
> other add-ons you 
> might use.
> 
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[mythtv-users] Per-channel time offsets

[Joe Votour]

I've searched the archives and found this mentioned
quite a few times, but never really saw any resolution
that seemed to match my situation (I use DataDirect,
not XMLTV).

I thought that I had read somewhere in an e-mail on
the mythtv-users list (which conveniently, I can't
find, nor could I find it in the archives - so, I
might just be mistaken) that the SVN version would
have the ability change the time offset on channel
listings.  I needed to rebuild my MythTV machine
anyway, so I decided to install SVN from today
(version 7800, I believe).

My situaton is that the cable provider for the
apartment complex that I live in uses DirecTV for
their cable system, and most of the channels (except
the local ones) are on Eastern feeds.  Most of the
listings in Zap2It are correct, but there are about 10
channels or so that are incorrect - the listings are
three hours ahead of the programming (so, for example,
something that the listings show will be on at 9PM is
actually on at 6PM).

In MythTV 0.18.1, I had manual recordings for shows on
the affected channels, specified by time.  I'd rather
not do that going forward, as it's a bit of a pain.

Zap2It was co-operative at first, but hasn't actually
changed anything, and won't answer my e-mails.  I'm
not very high on my local cable provider giving Zap2It
the correct information, but I do need to call them
concerning something else, so maybe I can get them to
do that.

Is there any way of doing this?  I did notice that
there is a channel ID in the channel editor, one thing
I have thought of trying is to find an alternate ID
number for the correct feed, I'm just not sure if this
is a recommended way to go about this.

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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 + PAL tv, over scan problem.

[Joe Votour]

There are no settings that you can change in xorg.conf
for the PVR-350.  The image is overscanned by default
in the current drivers, so you'll always lose part of
the screen.

To compensate for this, you need to change the window
dimensions in mythfrontend as Jason mentioned.   There
are many posts on this in the archives.

-- Joe

--- Niklas Palmqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Jason.
> 
> Sorry, but don't understand 100%. So, you only
> changed the resolution etc,
> but what settings should I use in xorg.xonf?
> 
> Can you please post the section from your xorg.xonf,
> that would help me a
> lot.
> 
> Thanks, appreciate it.
> 
> Niklas
> --
> On 11/7/05, Jason Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I had this same problem while setting up.
> >
> > I had to run the frontend in a window, and set the
> gui size and
> > offsets to my custom levels.
> >
> > To get everything set, I had to swtich my
> xorg.conf back to that of
> > my video card, change some settings, then swtich
> back to the xorg.conf
> > of the pvr350.
> >
> > My settings for gui size and offset are as
> follows...
> >
> > GUI width (px): 620
> > GUI height (px): 440
> >
> > GUI X offset: 40
> > GUI Y offset: 20
> >
> > Hope this helps you!
> >
> > On 11/6/05, Niklas Palmqvist
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi there.
> > >
> > > Installing Mythtv with a PVR-350 on FC4. Have
> gotten X to display on my
> > tv,
> > > but I am left with the overscan problem, i.e. I
> can not see the entire
> > > desktop on my tv, which is frustrating.
> > >
> > > When I try to run mythtv-setup, I can not see
> the entire screen either,
> > the
> > > edges are cut off.
> > >
> > > Have googled and looked at various forums, but
> no luck so far. Have used
> > > xvidtune to try and tweak the settings, but have
> not been able to find a
> > > good match.
> > >
> > > This is the section on my xorg.conf file:
> > >
> > > Section "Monitor"
> > > Identifier "PAL Monitor"
> > > HorizSync 30-68
> > > VertRefresh 50-120
> > > Mode "720x576"
> > > DotClock 42.6
> > > HTimings 720 760 832 944
> > > VTimings 576 577 580 602
> > > Flags "-HSync" "-VSync"
> > > EndMode
> > > EndSection
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on how to get this to display
> properly?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
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RE: [mythtv-users] Good tuner card?

[Joe Votour]

They also have different connectors on the back, which
may or may not matter depending on the usage.

The PVR-150 has an S-Video input, composite (video)
input, a "headphone" jack for audio in, and the IR
remote jack.  The PVR-150 MCE, because they were
designed to either ship with no remote, or the MCE
remote (which I think is USB), don't have the IR
remote jack on the bad, but in it's place have
left/right (audio) RCA jacks.

Functionally, the cards shouldn't be any different
though, with the exception of the remote control.

-- Joe

--- "C. R. Oldham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael T. Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> 
> > And, IMHO, if it's the 350 you want, you don't
> really want 
> > the 350, but you just don't know it yet.  (I have
> a 350 that 
> > I'm using as if it were a 250 or a 150.)
> 
> Wow, thanks for all the quick feedback.  I'm leaning
> toward 2 150's then,
> that's cheaper than 1 500.  The machine will have an
> Athlon64 3500+ in it,
> so decoding will never be an issue.
> 
> I'm seeing the PVR-150 advertised as the PVR-150
> MCE, for Windows Media
> Center--that's not a different card from the
> PVR-150, is it?
> 
> --cro
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Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia RPMs

[Joe Votour]

You shouldn't break anything else as long as you fetch
all of the kernel modules that you need.

These would likely (but not necessarily) be lirc,
ivtv, and alsa.  Depending on your hardware, there
might be more.

When using apt, I had to specify them manually, but
yum might be smarter in that regard.  I haven't really
used it enough to know.

-- Joe

--- Steve Nuffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I recently purchased a GeForce FX 5200 and what to
> compare the output to my PVR350.
> 
>  
> 
> I tried to perform the following:
> 
> # yum install nvidia-graphics7667-kmdl-$KVER
> # yum install nvidia-graphics7667
> 
>  
> 
> # uname -r 
> 
> 2.6.11-1.35_FC3
> 
>  
> 
> This didn't find anything.  I then compared my KVER
> and found that there weren't any availble to grab.
> The only one that are their are for "2.6.12-1".  I'm
> guessing that I will have to perform a "yum
> upgrade". 
> 
>  
> 
> Will I possible break anything else?
> 
>  
> 
> Steve
> 
> FedoraCore3
> 
> MythTv 18.1
> 
> ivtv:   START INIT IVTV
> 
> ivtv:  version 0.4.0 (tagged release) loading
> ivtv:  Linux version: 2.6.11-1.35_FC3 686 REGPARM
> 4KSTACKS gcc-3.4
> 
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RE: [mythtv-users] 350 Tv Out vs. Nvidia 5200

[Joe Votour]

Where the PVR-350 shines for me that it recognizes
whether the content is interlaces or not, and handles
it appropriately (so say the log messages on the
console).  This is really nice because then I don't
have to use Bob to deinterlace, which makes the OSD
flicker..  (The other deinterlacing methods are not
good enough to get scrolling messages, especially on
ESPN to display without jitter/tearing).

However, despite that, I'm likely to go back to my
5200FX, since at least I don't have to play with
screen sizes to get it working.

-- Joe

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Jesse wrote:
> > Jesse Guardiani wrote:
> > > Dave wrote:
> > >> On 8/23/05, Mark Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >>> Can anyone comment on the quality comparison
> between the two 
> > >>> abovementioned chipsets?
> 
> Well just to add my 2p, I've had a PVR-350 running
> for about a year with
> TV/X out,
> I've just swapped to a nvidia Geforce4
> MX440/128Mb/AGP 8x
> 
> PVR-350: 
> Advantages:
> Picture quality - Supposedly better[0]
> Hardware en/decoding - low processor usage, ideal
> for low spec 'silent'
> frontends[1]
> 
> Disadvantages:
> It's physically fscking huge - wont for example fit
> in a pundit-R without
> case modifications
> Not 100% stable - crashes under ff/rew sometimes
> (ivtv v0.3.8/mythtv 18.1
> fwiw. May be better with later versions)
> No games
> No boot msg's - If you care (I don't and have a
> serial console if I want
> boot msgs)
> Problems with DVD's (much better with XV support)
> Not pretty on bootup (pops and different
> colours->distorted image/last image
> before shutdown->kde splash->kde->mythtv), can have
> driver loaded earlier)
> No hauppauge driver support
> some mythtv functions don't work (vol control etc)
> No VGA/DVI
> Cost
> 
> 
> MX440 (5200 or similar should be better)
> Advantages:
> Cheap
> Stable 
> nvidia driver support
> Games
> DVD'S
> DVI/VGA
> Prettier on bootup (blank screen->nvidia splash(if
> turned on)->suse late
> splash->(kde but for a split second and don't see
> it)->mythtv), depending on
> card/setup can have entire bootup from bios splash
> into mythtv.
> Easily replaceable/upgradeable hardware with _no_
> config changes (new nvidia
> card, just pop it in, single driver means config
> and driver
> won't change)
> 
> Disadvantages:
> Picture quality - supposedly worse[0]
> Uses processing power[1]
> Might be tricky to find a fanless one (I don't
> recommend it but if you're
> not playing taxing games you _might_ be safe
> to just unplug the fan, mine's died and the card
> works fine [and at
> 20-30quid for a 'upgrade' replacement I won't worry
> _too_ much if it dies])
> 
> FWIW IMHO unless you want a silent low powered
> machine or don't have an AGP
> slot I'd say save the pennies 
> (or cents) and just get a cheap nvidia card.
> 
> Anyone want to buy a PVR-350?
> 
> Druid
> 
> [0] TBH I can't see it but then again I've not got
> that nice a TV[2], on a
> BFO projector you might.
> [1] On a very unscientific test I got the following
> on playback:
> SuSE 9.1/2.6.11-rc2-bk3-20050125153357-default
> PVR-350
> P4/3GHz/800Mhz (HT DISABLED)
> 0.0-0.7% cpu
> 
> SuSE 10.0/2.6.13-15-smp
> MX440
> P4/2.8GHz/533Mhz (HT ENABLED)
> 6.5-8.5%
> 
> [2] Currently shopping for one though :-)
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Re: [mythtv-users] Window Managers - Success with "ratpoison" instead of kde

[Joe Votour]

I use a window manager on my MythTV machine (which is
dedicated to MythTV) because external applications
like xine won't get proper focus sometimes without a
window manager.

It's a pain to try to play a DVD in xine, and have it
behind the MythTV UI.

-- Joe

--- James Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't get why people even use a WM (for a
> dedicated mythtv box)... I run 
> mythtv perfect without any overhead from a windows
> manager... 
> 
> on x:tty7 (in my inittab) i have
> /home/mythtv/startup.sh
> 
> which contains:
> 
> /path/to/X &
> sleep 8
> /path/to/mythfrontend
> 
> 
> this has the added advantage, that if mythfrontend
> crashes (which it does from 
> time to time) the script will exit, and inittab will
> recycle tty7 and start 
> the script again, thus bringing the frontend right
> back up automagically.
> 
> maybe not Linux Standards Base compliant, but works
> like a charm :)
> 
> James
> 
> On Saturday 29 October 2005 12:06 am, Support [ Ian
> Ward ] wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I had been meaning to try this for ages, but was
> bored today so I
> > thought I would risk WAF & FAF
> >
> > I have a master backend/frontend running on FC3, I
> use my FC4
> > workstation as a frontend when the family insist
> on watching soap.
> >
> > ratpoison makes alot of sense as kde is such a
> beast.
> > I also took the opportunity to change the way the
> frontend is spawned so
> > that on the odd occasion it crashes, you don't
> need to get up off the
> > lounge to "control-alt-backspace" the X
> > I have gdm set to autologon after 5 seconds.
> >
> > The newest prebuilt rpm I could find was here:
> >
>
ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/projects/newrpms/www/htdocs/apt/redhat/en/i386/fc2/RPM
> >S.newrpms/ratpoison-1.3.0-1.rhfc2.nr.i386.rpm
> >
> > this is a FC2 version that loaded on my FC3
> without issue, and on my FC4
> > after installing "compat-readline"
> >
> > It is a super lean window manager that spawns in
> an insant.
> > To get full screen xterm is as easy at typing
> "Control-c Control-t c"
> > (that's three keystrokes)
> > I would recommend it as it saves mucking around
> with disabling the kde
> > sound server, modifying mouse focus etc..
> > Why waste memory on a window manager when it is
> not required
> >
> > On RedHat the "switchdesk" command creates
> .Xclients and
> > .Xclients-default in your home directory to set
> for kde
> > I created a .Xclients-ratpoison and called it from
> .Xclients , that will
> > keep it safe from being overwritten with
> "switchdesk"
> >
> > Instead of having my startup commands in
> .kde/Autostart/myth-load.sh I
> > have put them into the .Xclients script
> > I also changed things around so that the window
> manager is spawned to
> > the background and it is the presence of
> mythfrontend process  that
> > keeps the X session from dying.  If the frontend
> exits, so does the X
> > session
> >
> > My one line .Xclients file looks like this
> >
> > exec ./.Xclients-ratpoison
> >
> >
> > My .Xclients-ratpoison looks like this
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> >
> > /usr/bin/ratpoison &
> >
> > # To get an xterm with Ratpoison, "Control-c
> Control-t c"
> >
> > # Load nVidia driver custom settings
> > #nvidia-settings --load-config-only &
> > # Stop the Nvidia blue line problem
> > xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048
> >
> > # Disable screensaver and blanking
> > /usr/X11R6/bin/xset -dpms
> > /usr/X11R6/bin/xset s off
> >
> > # Restore sound settings
> > /usr/bin/amixer set Master,0 80%,80% unmute
> > /usr/bin/amixer set PCM,0 80%,80% unmute
> > /usr/bin/amixer set Line,0 80%,80% mute captur
> > /usr/bin/amixer set Capture,0 80%,80% captur
> > /usr/bin/aplay
> /usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav
> &
> >
> > # Make sure the DVD is umounted
> > umount /media/cdrecorder
> >
> > # Launch myth frontend
> > mythfrontend
> >
> > # We are here because mythfrontend crashed or was
> exited
> > # After we drop out of here, X will terminate
> > # We could stay in X and the window manager by
> changing "exit" to "wait"
> > sleep 2
> > exit
> >
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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 sound loop into soundcard

[Joe Votour]

Use a stereo RCA to headphone (1/8", is that the
size?) cable, and then you can control the volume
level using the Line-In input level.  That's what
worked on my SB Live 5.1 card.  (I gave up on this
after starting to use Xv on the PVR-350, but it did
work).

-- Joe

--- James Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey I have an audio question - with all the hundreds
> of cables i have lying 
> around here, I haven't found one yet that will take
> the PVR-350 TV out L/R 
> RCA audio and allow me to feed them back into my
> sound card's 'Line In'.  
> 
> The cable that i thought for sure would work is a
> spare computer speaker cable 
> for old stereo sound cards that just have L/R.  its
> a small jack on one end 
> that plugs into the speaker plug on the soundcard,
> with two RCA's on the 
> other end to plug into the L/R speaker.  I figured
> if it works to go 'out' it 
> would also work to come back in?? 
> 
> I have a SB Audigy sound card, and in alsamixer,
> turned "Line" in up to max, 
> "Mic" in (just in case) up to max , (and actually
> every other control there 
> just to be sure) and i still don't get any sound
> coming out of my computer 
> speakers.
> 
> The only thing I can think of, is maybe the line is
> is mono and the stereo 
> jack isn't making connections in the right place? 
> I'm pretty sure its stereo 
> though, so  
> 
> has anyone else had any luck feeding the sound from
> the 350 TV out back into 
> their sound card?
> 
> (i know that there's sound coming out, because i can
> plug the RCA jacks 
> directly into the back of my TV and the sound works
> fine... but I'd really 
> prefer the sound to go through the computer speakers
> so the volume can be 
> controlled with myth (not to mention, my computer
> speakers blow the TV 
> speakers away any day).
> 
> Thanks,
>   James
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] OpenGL trouble

[Joe Votour]

That is (partially) incorrect.

If OpenGL support is compiled into MythTV in 0.18.1,
then there is a checkbox present that allows you to
enable/disable it.  (I'd know, I put it there).

The main reason on my part for wanting this
functionality was so that ATrpms could distribute an
OpenGL capable version of MythTV, but not have to
worry about people who can't use the OpenGL capable
version.

If no OpenGL for VSync option is present (it's in the
same setup screen as for the PVR-350 MPEG decoder),
then the build was never compiled with OpenGL support.
 I can't comment for anything but ATrpms, but ATrpms
(32-bit) has this in there, short of a configuration
error.

-- Joe

--- "Michael T. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dave wrote:
> 
> >I'm having trouble getting Myth 18.1 to run with
> OpenGL VSync enabled.
> > My frontend log shows RTC timing method.  I've
> tried:
> >1. Recompiling (a few times) with the option
> enabled,
> >2. Looked in Myth setup for the enable flag (didn't
> see it)
> >3. Couldn't find anything in the settings table
> reffering to OpenGL
> >
> >Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
> >  
> >
> There's no setting in 0.18.1.  If it's compiled in,
> Myth attempts to use 
> it.  Check your frontend log file for mention of
> OpenGL vsync.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] The Race to Change the Channel

[Joe Votour]

I agree, with one caveat.

I still use the LiveTV feature, although not as much
as I used to (because even though I'm on the west
coast, most of my channels are east coast feeds, which
necessitates recording everything).

Even though I still use LiveTV, I would never, ever
"channel surf".  What's the point, when you have full
program information available with only a button
press?  If I'm watching LiveTV (because, perhaps I've
watched all of my recordings), when I want to find
something to watch, I'll scroll through the program
guide.  It's much more effective than scrolling
through every channel.

Even with a real TV, channel surfing is a pointless
waste of time.  While you're busy going through your
50+ channels looking for something to watch, you might
be missing something you'd actually enjoy.

-- Joe

--- Andrew McNabb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 11:08:55PM -0400, Sam Krupa
> wrote:
> > 
> > What is the fix for the channel changing problem!
> > 
> 
> Everyone knows that changing channels is slow, but
> most of us don't
> care.  I can't remember the last time I turned on
> the TV to watch Live
> TV.  I just record all of the shows I like.  MythTV
> was designed and
> optimized for time-shifting, and I don't think there
> are very many
> people that would want to change that design just to
> make changing
> channels faster.  That's my opinion, anyway.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] 150 or 150MCE

[Joe Votour]

There is a "kit" of the PVR-150MCE that comes with an
MCE remote, versus the regular retail PVR-150 that
comes with the Hauppauge remote.  How this would be at
retail, well, I don't know, I would think it would be
more of an OEM or "white box" thing.

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150mcekit.html

-- Joe

--- Chris Ribe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My understanding is that the Media Center edition
> doesn't come with a remote
> - you are expected to use your Media Center remote
> with it.
> 
> On 10/15/05, Carl Fongheiser
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/15/05, Nick Rosier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 16/10/05, Don Sheehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > I am having trouble finding the answer in the
> old threads to what is
> > > > probably an easy question.
> > > >
> > > > Can I safely buy a WinTV 150MCE instead of the
> higher priced 150?
> > >
> > > Depends on what you want/need; the main
> differences are:
> > > PVR150: remote, no radio
> > > PVR150MCE: radio, no remote
> >
> >
> > The retail PVR150MCE comes with the Media Center
> remote and receiver.
> >
> > Carl Fongheiser
> >
> >
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Re: [mythtv-users] Adding recordings to DB

[Joe Votour]

The format of the filename is __, where the date/time
is in ISO8601 format, without the dashes and colons.

There is likely an SQL join using this information to
reference the show name and description in the SQL
database.  If this isn't present, then the show can't
be listed, since there is no useful information to be
displayed.

I think that somebody may have created a script that
lets you add the shows with information, but I'm not
sure.  If you search the archives, you might find a
pointer to it.

-- Joe

--- Todd Houle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I saw the recorded table, but I didn't see a
> reference to the file  
> name (1016_2005092701_2005092703.nuv).  Is
> that filename  
> build from other info in that table?  Or is there
> another table it  
> needs?  I'm not sure how myth locates the files.
>Todd
> 
> On Oct 15, 2005, at 2:38 PM, Nick wrote:
> 
> > On 15/10/05, Todd Houle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I recently wiped by Myth box and reinstalled
> everything from
> >> scratch.  It wouldn't take 2 hours or so, but
> since I was editing /
> >> etc/modprobe instead of /etc/modprobe.conf, it
> took about 5!
> >>
> >> Before I erased, I copied off some of the
> recordings I wanted to keep
> >> and now I'd like to put them back.  Having the
> exact info isn't
> >> totally important - program title will do it... 
> Which mysql
> >> databases do I need to make changes to?
> >>
> >
> > There's only 1 MythTV database - 'mythconverg'.
> You should add the
> > shows you want back into the 'recorded' table and
> make sure you
> > physically place the files back in the recordings
> directory. Not sure
> > if the thumbnail images will be recreated if you
> have deleted those.
> >
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Re: [mythtv-users] why do i have a 2 gig limit on avi files

[Joe Votour]

It could be a few things.

The first is that the particular filetype (like early
AVI, there apparently is a fix on Windows) is
restricted to 2GB.

The second is that the program itself does not support
 "large file access".  Here's some info on large file
access:
http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html
Bascially, you either need to use the proper file
calls (like open64), or compile your program with
special flags.  For something that I was developing at
work (playing with DVB streams, which can be quite
large) under Fedora Core 3, I needed to do this,
otherwise I hit the 2GB file limit.

Finally, your filesystem itself might have a 2GB file
limit.  This depends mostly on your kernel version it
seems.

-- Joe

--- ffrr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael Gargiullo wrote:
> 
> > What file system are you using on the disk. If
> it’s ext2 or ext3 (ext2 
> > with journaling) then the file system itself has a
> 2 Gb limit. If so 
> > install xfs packages, and convert your video work
> space, and video 
> > storage to XFS
> >
> >
> >
> 
> I use ext3 and have many files >2 GB, so can't be a
> limitation of ext3...
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Re: [mythtv-users] Highest number of simultaneous streams recorded?

[Joe Votour]

I've recorded three SD streams off of analog cable
using a PVR-350 and a PVR-500, while watching a fourth
(or sometimes one of the three).  The CPU usage for
the recording is very low because of the hardware
MPEG-2 encoders in the capture cards.  No loss in
stream quality.

The question that you ask is very vague, because you
don't mention what capture hardware you have.  An
analog BT8x8 card is much more CPU intensive than a
PVR-x50, for instance.

I don't think that you can capture an HD stream
(though I may be wrong on this).  There are no HD
capture cards that I'm aware of (the bandwidth for HD
is insanely huge), and the set-top boxes that support
Firewire output downsample the output (how far, I
don't know).

-- Joe

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> My apologies if this has been asked and answered
> already, but I searched
> the archives and couldn't find the answer.
> 
> What is the most number of streams anyone on the
> list has simultaneously
> recorded without problem?  I assume recording 2
> streams while watching a
> third has been done, but has it been done with no
> loss in quality, etc?
> How about 3 streams?  HD + an analog stream?  I'd
> like to get an idea of
> what my limitations and potentials are before I get
> too deep in my
> current project.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Frontend with no window manager?

[Joe Votour]

Search gossamer again, and you'll find that while you
can run a frontend without a window manager, you'll
may run into problems.

People who have run without window managers have
reported focus issues - windows not being properly
layered, so the wrong window is out in front.  So,
your MPlayer window might be on top, it might not be.

One thing that you could try is to compile ratpoison
for the XBox - it's a very small window manager, so it
shouldn't take up much in the way of resources.

-- Joe

--- Peter Loron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Question for the hive mind: can you run a front-end
> with no window
> manager? I've got an Xbox frontend, and it takes
> bloody forever to start
> up Xebian (1.1.1 in my case) and then launch Myth.
> Doing things in Myth
> is sloow, especially when it needs to spawn
> mplayer to watch a
> video, etc. I'm assuming most of that slowness is
> releated to the lack
> of RAM and the copious amounts of swapping that are
> consequently going on.
> 
> Can one run the frontend with no WM to save RAM? If
> so, can somebody
> point me to the step-by -step? I searched on
> gossamer, but was unable to
> come up with any definitive answers.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] changing channels on a bt848

[Joe Votour]

With analog cable, they modulate all of the channels
into frequencies, and send all of the frequencies over
the same wire.  In order to change channels, you thus
tell the card to look at a certain frequency.  In the
NTSC world, the channels are mapped on fixed
frequencies.

So, in changing channels on a BT848 card is
(essentially but not completely) a matter of
programming the card to look at the correct frequency.

MythTV by default should tune your analog card
properly, as long as you have the correct cable
frequency table configured, without any external
scripts.

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--- "W.Kenworthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can someone describe how mythtv changes channels
> with a v4l analog card
> (bt848)?  The card works fine using xawtv, but I
> cant get channel
> changing to work within myth even though I can get a
> picture if I preset
> the channel.  A DVB-T card installed works fine.
> 
> Do I need to specify "v4lctl setchannel" in the
> setup, script it or
> what?
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Controlling a cable box that outputs only on a single channel.

[Joe Votour]

Disclaimer: I don't even have a cable STB, since I
have analog cable.

If the STB will only provide output on channel 3 (I am
presuming that you are using a F-type coaxial cable to
connect your PVR-250 to it based on this fact), then
you will likely need to get the IRBlaster working now,
and not later.

Normally analog TV works by putting all of the
channels into the spectrum, and the tuner in your TV
just selects the frequency that it wants to listen to.
 However, in this case, the STB is only giving you one
frequency, and just changing the analog data that goes
out of it.  (This reminds me of having a converter for
the non-cable ready TVs back when I was growing up).

In summary, get the IRBlaster working, because it's
the only way that you will be able to change channels.
 You'll probably want to set the option on a per tuner
basis (in the setup program, if I recall correctly) to
have each tuner default to channel 3.  From there, the
script that you use to change the channel via the
IRBlaster should be called instead of having the
PVR-250's tuner listen to a different frequency.

-- Joe

--- Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a strange predicament, or at least I haven't
> stumbled upon anyone
> else with it yet. I have a Scientific Atlanta 4200HD
> box. I am using the
> cable out on the back of my cable box and it goes
> into my second tuner card
> (PVR-250). Here's the problem:
>  The cable box's cable out only broadcasts on
> channel 3. So when Myth has a
> listing for lets say... channel 5, it tunes from 3
> to 5. Now it only picks
> up static, however for it to work, it needs to stay
> tuned on 3. The cable
> box can be on whatever channel needs to be recorded,
> that's why I bought an
> IR Blaster, but getting that to work is a problem
> for later. I hope most, or
> at least all of this, made sense.
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Re: [mythtv-users] not getting channel reception on high cable channels

[Joe Votour]

It must depend on the area.  Although I don't have
digital cable, a friend of mine just moved into a new
place, where his roommates do.

He plugged his TV into the cable outlet in his room,
and received full analog cable, channels over 40
included, all unencrypted.  Because of that, he has no
interest in getting another STB from Comcast (the main
STB is in the living room).

I'm wondering if perhaps it's a problem with the tuner
definitions for the card, or maybe the fact that it's
setup for "us-cable-hrc".  But then again, I'm not
totally sure, since I follow the instructions from
Jarod Wilson's HOWTO, with the exception that I
compile the ivtv driver by hand (as I have a 350 and a
500), and it works flawlessly for me.  Also, I have
the most basic of configurations, analog cable, and no
intention to go to digital TV until there is a Linux
compatible card that can do the decryption and work
with MythTV (since I have three tuners, I really don't
want three STBs and IRBlasters or serial connections,
or Firewire connections).

-- Joe

--- Peter Judge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 2005-10-09 at 09:45 -0700, Dave Fallon
> wrote:
> > Hi, I'm a relatively new mythtv user, and I've run
> into two problems.
> > These aren't myth issues, per se, but I figured
> the collective experts
> > here might have some ideas.
> > 
> > So, I've got a myth box setup with a hauppage
> PVR-250. I'm using cable
> > (comcast, in the LA, CA area), and I'm trying to
> run it direct into the
> > tuner0 port of the pvr card. This is working for
> most channels when I
> > have it set to us-cable-hrc, but channels above 40
> aren't working - the
> > signal is scrambled, I'm just getting audio. Looks
> like a pay-per-view
> > channel, almost. It works fine when I plug the
> cable box back in and run
> > it direct to the TV. I've been trying to avoid the
> cable box, as then I
> > have to figure out how to get the serial port to
> change channels, but
> > that's my fallback if I can't figure anything else
> out.
> 
> FWIW it's worth, I see the same with Comcast in
> Boston area. I believe
> the lower channels are the analogue channels, and
> are broadcast without
> encryption. The higher channels are the digital
> cable channels, and
> those are broadcast encrypted, which the STB
> decrypts. I don't know of
> any way around that (but would love to hear of one).
> 
> Since you're going to have to use a STB to watch the
> digital cable
> channels, try to get one with a firewire port
> enabled, although you may
> have to go to the HD package for that. You can use
> that for the channel
> changing - if you get a Moto 6200, Myth comes
> complete with scripts for
> changing channels (somewhere in the setup stuff).
> 
> -- Peter
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Re: [mythtv-users] not getting channel reception on high cable channels

[Joe Votour]

I can't help you with the cable box problem, but I can
give some guidance on the remote control.

The IR receiver of the Hauppauge supports RC-5 VCR
codes, so you'll need to set your remote to send them.
 Most universal remotes use VCR code 0081 to do this. 
Once you've done that, you can likely use the
Hauppauge configuration file, or at the very least,
it'll be easier to use irrecord.

-- Joe

--- Dave Fallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, I'm a relatively new mythtv user, and I've run
> into two problems.
> These aren't myth issues, per se, but I figured the
> collective experts
> here might have some ideas.
> 
> So, I've got a myth box setup with a hauppage
> PVR-250. I'm using cable
> (comcast, in the LA, CA area), and I'm trying to run
> it direct into the
> tuner0 port of the pvr card. This is working for
> most channels when I
> have it set to us-cable-hrc, but channels above 40
> aren't working - the
> signal is scrambled, I'm just getting audio. Looks
> like a pay-per-view
> channel, almost. It works fine when I plug the cable
> box back in and run
> it direct to the TV. I've been trying to avoid the
> cable box, as then I
> have to figure out how to get the serial port to
> change channels, but
> that's my fallback if I can't figure anything else
> out.
> 
> My second problem is I have a Sony RM-VL1000 remote,
> which is a decent
> but cheap programmable remote. There doesn't seem to
> be a LIRC config
> file out there for 'em, so I was trying to create
> one via irrecord, but
> irrecord isn't getting any input from it. I know the
> ir setup is working
> in general, 'cause I've got the grey hauppage remote
> that came with the
> 250 working, and I can get irrecord to learn from
> that. In desperation I
> tried to teach the VL1000 the codes from the grey
> hauppage remote, then
> use that w/ irrecord, but that didn't work either.
> 
> So, any thoughts? I've searched around on google a
> bunch, and been
> fairly unsuccessful. I greatly appreciate any help
> or suggestions people
> have - ;) my wife's patience with the me on this is
> wearing thin.
> thanks!
> 
> dave
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Re: [mythtv-users] Can't add PVR-500 to box with existing PVR-350

[Joe Votour]

The only way that I have gotten a PVR-350 and a
PVR-500 to work together is to ditch the ATrpms 0.2.x
series of the ivtv driver and go build the latest
0.3.9 driver from source.  That works perfectly, and
then you can get rid of half the crap that the ATrpms
version requires you to have in your modprobe.conf.

With 0.3.9 (built from source), here is my
modprobe.conf:
alias char-major-81 videodev
alias char-major-81-0 ivtv
alias char-major-81-1 ivtv
alias char-major-81-2 ivtv
install ivtv /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install
ivtv;/sbin/modprobe ivtv-fb

The 0.3.9 driver autodetects everything, has lots of
bug fixes, and most importantly, works with Xv.

-- Joe

--- "Staub, Carl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok, so it takes a LOT for me to resort to asking for
> help, but I've been
> reading the mailing archives and can't seem to
> figure this one out.  My 350
> works but the 500 seems to not generate any output. 
> Here's what I've tried:
> 
> /etc/modprobe.conf was working fine like this
> (before the addition of the
> 500):
> # ivtv modules setup
> alias char-major-81 videodev
> alias msp3400 msp3400-ivtv
> alias char-major-81-0 ivtv
> alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv
> install ivtv /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ivtv;
> /sbin/modprobe ivtv-fb
> install lirc_i2c /sbin/modprobe ivtv; /sbin/modprobe
> --ignore-install
> lirc_i2c
> 
> After reading the mailing archives, I've modified it
> to this:
> # ivtv modules setup
> alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c
> alias char-major-81 videodev
> alias char-major-81-0 ivtv
> alias char-major-81-1 ivtv
> alias char-major-81-2 ivtv
> options cx25840 i2c_enable=1 no_black_magic=1
> options saa7127 i2c_enable=1,-1,-1
> alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv
> alias tuner tuner-ivtv
> alias msp3400 msp3400-ivtv
> install ivtv /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ivtv;
> /sbin/modprobe ivtv-fb
> install lirc_i2c /sbin/modprobe ivtv; /sbin/modprobe
> --ignore-install
> lirc_i2c
> 
> and still, when I do this:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] staubc]# cat /dev/video1
> >/tmp/test_capture.mpg
> 
> And let it run for a while and then hit CTRL-C, I
> get this:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] staubc]# ll /tmp/test_capture.mpg
> -rw-rw-r--  1 mythtv mythtv 0 Oct  8 00:12
> /tmp/test_capture.mpg (Notice the
> zero length file here)
> 
> So looking at the messages, I see two things that
> stand out:
> 
> ivtv: Encoder revision: 0x02040024
> ivtv warning: Encoder Firmware can be buggy, use
> version 0x02040011
> 
> And a bunch of these:
> ivtv warning: i2c client addr: 0x44 not found for
> command 0x40046403!
> 
> So, I followed the upgrade procedures for the
> firmware, but I can't seem to
> get it to change the revision number.  I even did a:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] staubc]# ivtvctl -d /dev/video1 -H
> ioctl IVTV_IOC_RELOAD_FW ok
> 
> and that added these to the messages:
> ivtv warning: FW Reload: Set DEC IRQ Mask!
> Resetting Firmware!!!
> ivtv: loading /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin
> ivtv warning: Sleeping for 100 ms
> ivtv warning: Sleeping for 100 ms
> ivtv warning: Success Reloading FW!
> 
> And I verified that I have the correct firmware in
> /lib/modules by doing
> this:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] staubc]# md5sum
> /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-*
> 305dba74bbe5905447add8883f3ecb68 
> /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-dec.bin
> ab75947ef1b086e26f9b08e628baa02e 
> /lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin
> 
> So here I am, stuck.  I followed Jarod Wilson's
> instructions for setting up
> my myth box from scratch on FC3, and it's been
> working great since last
> April, I just want to get this other capture card in
> so I can record more
> than one thing at a time.
> 
> Can anyone please help?  
> 
> For those who are interested in the *long* stuff,
> here's the entire IVTV
> section of dmesg.
> 
> ivtv:  START INIT IVTV
> 
> ivtv: version 0.3.8 (tagged release) loading
> ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.12-1.1376_FC3 686 REGPARM
> 4KSTACKS gcc-3.4
> ivtv: In case of problems please include the debug
> info
> ivtv: between the START INIT IVTV and END INIT IVTV
> lines when
> ivtv: mailing the ivtv-devel mailinglist.
> ivtv: Autodetected WinTV PVR 350 card (iTVC15 based)
> ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] enabled at IRQ 3
> PCI: setting IRQ 3 as level-triggered
> ACPI: PCI Interrupt :01:06.0[A] -> Link [LNKA]
> -> GSI 3 (level, low) ->
> IRQ 3
> tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 48132, rev = K268,
> serial# = 2927130
> tveeprom: tuner = LG TAPE H001F MK3 (idx = 68, type
> = 47)
> tveeprom: tuner fmt = NTSC(M) (eeprom = 0x08, v4l2 =
> 0x1000)
> tveeprom: audio processor = MSP4448 (type = 1b)
> tveeprom: decoder processor = SAA7115 (type = 13)
> ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=tveeprom[50],
> addr=50]
> msp34xx: ivtv version
> msp34xx: init: chip=MSP3448W-A2, has NICAM support,
> simple (D) mode, simpler
> (G) no-thread mode
> msp34xx: $Id$ compiled on: Sep 12 2005 19:39:16
> ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=MSP3448W-A2,
> addr=40]
> ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=saa7115[50],
> addr=21]
> ivtv: i2c attac

Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Seeking Remote Control Advice for PVR-500

[Joe Votour]

Unfortunately, I don't know how lirc works, because I
haven't studied the source code.  Therefore, I'll use
one of our "favorite" concepts in the software
industry, that of the "black box".

This is what happens:
1. You press the button on the remote
2. The IR receiver receives the IR pulses from the
remote
3. lirc communicates with the IR receiver and converts
whatever the IR receiver tells it into lirc's own
format.  (This is the "black box").

Now...  Your hypothetical example (NOOB) has it
correct, but, oo, you can't just make up a number. 
You need to configure your IR receiver and make sure
that it's working with the lirc programs (you have
read the lirc documentation for which programs to use,
right?).  Once you know that the hardware is good, you
can use the "irrecord" program to create an lircd.conf
file.

-- Joe


--- Larry K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hmmm. Not to beat a dead horse here, but I'm stil
> not clear on how this
> mapping takes place. Bear with me for a sec
> 
> I understand that we have programmed the remote to
> send code 240 when the
> sleep button is pressed. How the lirc kernel knows
> that code 240 maps to
> x'166' (sleep) in lirc.conf isn't obvious. I assume
> that lirc then makes an
> association between x'166' (sleep) and the sleep
> button entry in lircrc,
> which then sends a command to mythtv to skip to the
> previous commercial cut?
> 
> Maybe it's easier to take a completely new example:
> 
> Let's say my OFA remote has a key called NOOB that
> is not already activated
> by the VCR 0081 standard. If I wanted this button to
> cause mythtv to take
> some action, I suppose I would need to 1) program
> the remote to send an EFC
> code (for sake of argument, say 777). Then, 2) I
> would need an entry in
> lirc.conf called noob, associated with what hex
> code? Would I make one up?
> How does lirc know what my intent is for code 777?
> Then, 3) I assume I would
> create an entry in lircrc that defines a button
> called noob, that invokes
> the mythtv function I want to use.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Seeking Remote Control Advice for PVR-500

[Joe Votour]

1. No, it will not work the same.  You will need to
load in different kernel modules that support the new
IR receiver.
2. You program those codes into the remote.  Since you
have an All-For-One remote, you would use these
instructions (which I copied from my website):
a) Press the device button you have programmed to VCR
code 0081.
b) Press and hold the SET button until the LED blinks
twice, and release it.
c) Press 9-9-4
d) Tap the SET key. The LED should blink once.
e) Enter a three-digit code from the table.
f) Press the corresponding remote control button from
the table.
g) Repeat for all of the buttons in the table (or, as
many as you feel the need to program)
These codes correspond to values in the lircd.conf
file  (which will need to be changed).

3. The button names are arbitrary, but must match the
names in your .lircrc file.  There's no reason you
couldn't call them "button1", "button2", etc.

4. irrecord

Please search the archives for more information, since
this has been discussed several times.

-- Joe


--- Larry K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Based on recommendations I found here, I bought the
> One For All URC-8910
> remote from Amazon.com . Nice
> remote.
> 
> Then, following Jarod's instructions at
> http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/remotes.php, I set
> everything up and it works
> just fine. Since Jarod's site conveniently spoon-fed
> all the configuration
> settings to me, I still have a few questions:
> 
> 1) When I install my PVR-500, I can no longer use
> the Hauppauge IR sensor I
> am successfully using now, so I purchased a 3rd
> party sensor that connects
> via serial cable. Will this work the same as the
> Hauppauge sensor that I now
> have connected via the PVR 250? I seem to recall
> reading that Jarod's setup
> may be specific to the Hauppauge IR sensor. Will I
> have to redefine
> something if I use a different IR sensor?
> 
> 2) For those that have seen Jarod's guide, can
> anyone tell me how the EFC
> codes map to a specific function in myth? For
> instance, here is Jarod's
> table showing the EFC settings. I have deduced that
> 241 (Sleep) is previous
> commercial cut, and 046 (Enter) is next commercial
> cut, but I cannot figure
> out how this table maps to anything in the
> lircd.conf or lircrc. How could I
> 'know' that without learning it from trial and
> error? What am I overlooking?
> 
>  EFC Destination Key 108INFO 050GUIDE 113PIP 145SWAP
> 076MUTE 241SLEEP 046
> ENTER 176FREEZE 236MOVE 210+100 142LEFT 110RIGHT
> 3) Is there a list of remote control button values
> that can be defined in
> lircrc? For instance, how does one know that CH-,
> FREEZE, and MOVE, for
> example, are within the domain of possible remote
> control buttons? And it
> appears that each remote has a different set of
> values, since RED and YELLOW
> certainly appear to be specific to the grey
> Haupppauge remote.
> 
> 4) The lirc.conf appears to be generated by a piece
> of software. Any idea
> what that is and how it arrives at the settings it
> defines?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On 9/24/05, Larry K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Please bear with me as I show my total ignorance
> regarding universal
> > remote controls. :)
> >
> > I am pondering whether or not to slap a PVR-500
> into my system (one of my
> > 250s died, so now I'm down to one tuner), So, if I
> get the PVR-500 and pull
> > out the 250s, I'm gonna need a remote control.
> >
> > I currently have a Rosewill wireless (RF)
> mouse/keyboard on my mythtv box.
> > Should this be a factor in deciding what remote
> control to get? That is,
> > should I go RF on the remote control, or IR? Can a
> RF remote be programmed
> > to talk to my existing Rosewill base just as my
> keyboard does?
> >
> > Sorry for sounding like a n00b, but I have not
> been keeping up with remote
> > control technology. Thus far, I have just survived
> with the Hauppauge
> > PVR-250 remote...
> >
> > Thanks!
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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 TVout issues

[Joe Votour]

MythTV can be made to fit by using the GUI X/Y size
and displacement options.  Other applications need to
support something similar, or they will run off of the
screen.  Alternatively, you can try to use a window
manager that will pad windows and make them fit, but
this may cause some problems (I was doing this with
ratpoison, only to find out that while my windows fit
the screen, I sometimes ended up with black borders
around my TV/recorings).

Sounds like you're using Xv instead of the MPEG-2
decoder.  The Xv support requires that some MPEG-2 be
played through the MPEG-2 decoder before it will work
(I do it in rc.local).  Otherwise you will get a still
picture of garbage.

-- Joe

--- Christopher Sink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all. I've searched for answers for these two
> issues but am still
> unclear what's causing them or what to do about
> them. I've followed
> the Fedora Myth(TV)ology but have obviously missed
> something. Any
> advice would be appreciated:
> 
> - TV output (X) appears larger than TV screen. Parts
> of the desktop
> and mythtv interface are cut off around the edges.
> How do I make it
> fit?
> 
> - All X11 graphics to the TV appears correct except
> when I try to view
> a DVD or watch live TV. All I see is scrambled,
> motionless garbage.
> 
> Any thoughts/suggestions?
> 
> I'm running Fedora Core 4 with capture and vid out
> done on a PVR-350.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Using Hauppauge Grey remote with Packard-Bell receiver

[Joe Votour]

The lircd.conf file is tied to both the remote control
and the receiver that you're using it with (I wasn't
able to take my lircd.conf file made with my Hauppauge
IR receiver and have it work with my irman, I had to
create a new one).

Try creating a new lircd.conf file using irrecord - if
that works, you're fine, otherwise the remote might
not work with the receiver.

-- Joe

--- Richard Reiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've got one of those cheap Packard Bell Fastmedia
> remotes with serial
> receiver.  After much tribulation, and some
> assistance from past
> posters to this list, I've got it working with lirc
> and Myth.
> 
> (Note: the simple instructions in Jarod's guide did
> NOT work. It was
> necessary to add "setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none;
> /sbin/modprobe
> lirc_serial" to my rc.local before the thing worked.
>  When using
> Jarod's method (putting "install lirc_serial
> /bin/setserial /dev/ttyS0
> uart none ; # /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install
> lirc_serial" into
> modprobe.conf), the lirc_serial module did get
> loaded but no data was
> ever retrieved from the receiver).
> 
> Now that the Packard Bell remote and receiver are
> working, I can see
> just what a rinky-dink piece of junk the remote is;
> and I happen to
> have an extra Hauppauge grey remote.  I've seen many
> postings
> suggesting that the Packard Bell receiver will work
> fine with any
> remote; so I'd like to get it working with my
> Hauppauge grey remote. 
> I've replaced the packard-bell lircd.conf with one
> for the Hauppauge,
> but the result is no data visible in irw or even in
> mode2.
> 
> Has anyone by any chance got this combination
> (Packard Bell IR receiver
> with Hauppauge grey remote) working?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Richard
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Re: [mythtv-users] Seeking Remote Control Advice for PVR-500

[Joe Votour]

The actual physical transport medium for the signal
(IR versus RF) is completely irrelevant.  What matters
is that lirc is able to communicate with the receiver
to determine which buttons you pressed.  (My
understanding is that lirc started as a project for
working with IR receivers, but has grown over the
years.)

You can use a RF remote control if you want - although
I never got it to work (but I haven't tried in well
over six months, as I'm satisfied with my URC-6131),
the ATi Remote Wonder (which is RF) is supported by
lirc.

Also, using lirc is not a must - there are people who
are using mechanisms that act as keyboards without
using lirc.

-- Joe

--- Larry K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can anyone explain how an RF remote control
> integrates with mythtv? Since
> mythtv uses lirc, it seems like one would need to
> use an IR remote.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> On 9/24/05, PAUL WILLIAMSON
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >>> "Larry K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/24/05
> 3:02 PM >>>
> > > Please bear with me as I show my total ignorance
> regarding
> > > universal remote controls. :)
> >
> > Hey, we were all n00bs once!
> >
> > > I am pondering whether or not to slap a PVR-500
> into my system
> > > (one of my 250s died, so now I'm down to one
> tuner), So, if I get
> > > the PVR-500 and pull out the 250s, I'm gonna
> need a remote control.
> >
> > You won't necessarily lose the remote capability
> with a 500, only a
> > 500mce.
> >
> > > I currently have a Rosewill wireless (RF)
> mouse/keyboard on my
> > > mythtv box. Should this be a factor in deciding
> what remote
> > > control to get? That is, should I go RF on the
> remote control,
> > > or IR? Can a RF remote be programmed to talk to
> my existing
> > > Rosewill base just as my keyboard does?
> >
> > I'd get a good learning RF remote the like HTM
> MX-700 or one
> > of the Harmony remotes, unless the 500 has the IR
> capability.
> >
> > > Sorry for sounding like a n00b, but I have not
> been keeping
> > > up with remote control technology. Thus far, I
> have just
> > > survived with the Hauppauge PVR-250 remote...
> >
> > Ugh, I don't know how. That thing is good enough
> for
> > the basics of a 250 running under windows, but
> using
> > it with Myth is painful
> >
> > > Thanks!
> >
> > Paul
> >
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Re: [mythtv-users] Seeking Remote Control Advice for PVR-500

[Joe Votour]

This is slightly off-topic, but...

Can somebody please confirm or deny the existance of a
PVR-500 (non-MCE edition)?  Hauppauge's own website
doesn't list a PVR-500, only a PVR-500 MCE.  They have
a "PVR-500MCE-Kit", which has a Windows Media Center
remote control and an IR Blaster (they call it a
"beanbag"), but it is not the same remote that is
included with the other Hauppauge cards (using an IR
connector on the card itself).

-- Joe

--- PAUL WILLIAMSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >>> "Larry K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/24/05
> 3:02 PM >>>
> > Please bear with me as I show my total ignorance
> regarding 
> > universal remote controls. :)
> 
> Hey, we were all n00bs once!
> 
> > I am pondering whether or not to slap a PVR-500
> into my system 
> > (one of my 250s died, so now I'm down to one
> tuner), So, if I get 
> > the PVR-500 and pull out the 250s, I'm gonna need
> a remote control.
> 
> You won't necessarily lose the remote capability
> with a 500, only a 
> 500mce.
> 
> > I currently have a Rosewill wireless (RF)
> mouse/keyboard on my 
> > mythtv box.  Should this be a factor in deciding
> what remote 
> > control to get? That is, should I go RF on the
> remote control, 
> > or IR? Can a RF remote be programmed to talk to my
> existing 
> > Rosewill base just as my keyboard does?
> 
> I'd get a good learning RF remote the like HTM
> MX-700 or one 
> of the Harmony remotes, unless the 500 has the IR
> capability.
> 
> > Sorry for sounding like a n00b, but I have not
> been keeping 
> > up with remote control technology. Thus far, I
> have just 
> > survived with the Hauppauge PVR-250 remote...
> 
> Ugh, I don't know how.  That thing is good enough
> for 
> the basics of a 250 running under windows, but using
> 
> it with Myth is painful
> 
> > Thanks!
> 
> Paul
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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 TV-out problems

[Joe Votour]

If you want xv support to work, then you really should
(in fact, I think that xv won't even work with the 0.2
series) upgrade to 0.3.8 (the latest driver).  You
also need a newish version of the XDriver (I use
0.10.6).

It is very stable for me, and I'm using xv on my
PVR-350, as well as using it and a PVR-500 as
recorders.  (Mind you, I'm using NTSC, I don't know
about your experiences in Norway using PAL would be).

The best thing about ivtv 0.3.8 is that the old hacks
needed (things like "no_black_magic") are gone, and
not needed (at least not on my setup).

-- Joe

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> Hi all! This is my first post here, so maybe I
> should tell a little bit
> about my setup..
> I just started using MythTV, and I'm very impressed.
> Installing it was
> pretty straight forward, and after some
> configuration it's working very
> well.
>  
> The setup:
>  
> I have one Gentoo backend machine placed in a
> storage room.. it is
> headless, but I'm using vnc to remote control som
> downloads etc. from my
> laptop.
> As frontend, I'm using a Xbox with the XBMCMythTV
> script.. everything
> but the EPG works fine. For scheduling and watcing
> recordings, I'm using
> my laptop and mythweb/DSMyth.
> Versions:
> MythTV 0.18.1-r1
> Ivtv: 0.2.0_rc3-r5
>  
>  
> The plan:
>  
> 1. To use the PVR-350 tv-out to transmit video via a
> wireless AV system
> to a regular 21" PAL TV in  my bedroom closet. The
> wireless system also
> has a IR transmitter/receiver , so I can (hopefully)
> use my remote from
> there.
>  
> 2. To install another PVR-card. I can't really
> decide if I should biy
> another PVR350.. or PVR500. Prices on these cards
> are about the same
> here in Norway. anyone with experience?
>  
>  
> The Problem:
>  
> I'm getting picture on the TV-screen/PVR350 output,
> butI can't seem to
> get XV support working .. so the video is quite
> choppy and useless so
> far.. 
> Is there a solution to this?
>  
>  
>  
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Re: [mythtv-users] GLX and NVIDIA. Disable GLX to startx

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I don't know about FC4 (I use FC3 - I prefer to stay
one release away from cutting edge on my production
machines), but you'll definitely want to get GLX
working if you use an nVidia card (which I assume you
do).

With GLX working, you can use the OpenGL VSync for
reducing tearing/jitter, and also you can use the
GLX-based visulizations in MythMusic and the other
plugins that support it.  That said, you don't *need*
it to run MythTV, it should* work fine without, if you
don't use any of the GLX features.

*I say should, because I haven't used all of the
plugins, so I don't know the code path.  You might hit
a GLX call and it might bomb out without GLX in the X
server.  GLX is supported by software by default in
the newer versions of XFree86/xorg, and the lack of
any GLX layer at all might pose a problem.

-- Joe

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> install nvidia,  
> and change the driver from "nv" to "nvidia" I get a
> glx error.  So I  
> comment out glx in the xorg.conf and I can startx.
> 
> Is this common?  Do I need GLX?
> 
> Any thoughts or experiences?
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] pvr 250 and pvr 500 in same box

[Joe Votour]

It was working perfectly for me using the FC3 ATrpms
(0.2.0j or something like that).  I did have to make
some changes to my modprobe.conf file, it looked like
this:
alias char-major-81 videodev
alias char-major-81-0 ivtv
alias char-major-81-1 ivtv
alias char-major-81-2 ivtv
# ivtv 0.2 specific options
alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv
alias tuner tuner-ivtv
alias msp3400 msp3400-ivtv
options cx25840 no_black_magic=1

I have since upgraded to the 0.3.8 ivtv drivers (built
them from source).  Since doing that, autodetection
works great (for me), so I could remove the lines
listed under "# ivtv 0.2 specific options" (i.e. the
-ivtv and the cx25840).

The 0.3.8 driver worked flawlessly with a
PVR-250/PVR-500 combo, as well as a PVR-350/PVR-500
combo (which I use now).

-- Joe

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Has anyone gotten a hauppauge pvr 250 and pvr 500
> working in the same box?
> 
> I tried it on fc4 with the 0.3.8 ivtv drivers and
> get picture and sound on
> the 250, great picture on both inputs of the 500 but
> no sound on the 500
> at all.
> 
> if someone out there has any ideas, I'd love to hear
> em.
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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-150/500 and bttv?

[Joe Votour]

The tveeprom module is responsible for reading and
interpreting the contents of the EEPROM (if there is
one) on the TV card.

So, it reads in a stream of bytes, figures out what
card it is, and then retrieves the settings.  As new
cards are released and supported, the signatures need
to be updated.

-- Joe

--- Sean Cier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Duncan Brown wrote:
> > 
> > Try using the basic tveeprom module direct from
> the kernel instead of 
> > the one provided by ivtv: (tveeprom-ivtv, you'll
> also need to remove the 
> > alias in modprobe)
> 
> That seems to have fixed it beautifully -- thanks,
> Duncan!  Out of 
> curiosity, what does the tveeprom module *do*,
> anyhow?
> 
> -spc
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Hardware problem with Silverstone Case

[Joe Votour]

The LC-10 and the LC-11 are completely different
beasts.  The LC-10 is ATX, and the LC-11 is microATX.

That said, I also have an LC-10, and am reasonably
satisfied with it, but it does have it's share of
deficiencies.  The hard drives are placed in a poor
way for ventilation and spacing (which limits me to
one hard drive and a DVD-ROM).  Otherwise, for a full
ATX case, it's small enough to fit in my TV stand, and
I can't really complain too much about it.

-- Joe

--- Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > I had constant hardware issues with an LC11, which
> eventually forced 
> > me to replace it. It's got too many design flaws
> to count.
> >
> > --Jo
> 
> What kind of problems? I only ask as I have an
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Re: [mythtv-users] Possibilities of building a pci based card to work with cable provider's cable cards?

[Joe Votour]

As I understand it (I haven't read the CableCard spec
because I'm not in the cable industry anymore), it is
not a PCMCIA card, but rather has the same connector. 
That in itself just means that while you can use the
same connector slot, you'd have to run the traces
differently.

In theory it's possible to design such a card, in
reality, it might be a bit more difficult.  Once
you've reverse engineered what all of the signals do,
and then figure out what to route them to (I'd say
that for MythTV, the best bet is to send the
unencrypted signal to the CPU so that MythTV can have
an unencrypted signal to work with), then you'd still
be looking at a minimum of a few thousand dollars for
board fabrication.

This is actually a project I wouldn't mind working on
myself, but, alas, I cannot.  The reason is that this
would likely come up under the DMCA (in the United
States anyway), and as a work permit holder with a
Green Card application in process, I can't do anything
to jeopardize that.

However, I'm sure that there's some CableCard
documents available from CableLabs (possibly available
for download from opencable.com), you could start
there.

-- Joe

--- Matt Mousseau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> With the new cable cards that the various cable
> providers are starting
> to provide, I'm curious about the possibility of
> building a Tuner Card
> that would accept a cable card (I think they're just
> pcmia cards?) and
> thus be able to receive whatever channels you were
> subscribed to,
> digitally.
>  
> Anyone have input? I think this is something I could
> build, just curious
> if I'm missing something obvious :-/
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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-350 volume

[Joe Votour]

In other words, there should probably be a patch. 
But, it should probably be generic enough to allow for
selecting any device found on the card.  Using an
external program for something like changing the a
different part of the mixer is just clumsy, given the
overhead of loading another program (if a shell
script, then the shell, plus the execution of the
interpreted program).

Thanks for the information, I will look into using the
external method for now, but I'll try to come up with
a more integrated way once I get a chance.  (I guess
I'll have to learn the ALSA/OSS API calls, and then
this could be a biggie.)

-- Joe

--- "Michael T. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Joe Votour wrote:
> 
> >I thought that the answer to this might be in the
> >archives, but after scanning through pages of them
> >using different terms, I'm not so sure...
> >
> >I upgraded to ivtv-0.3.8 tonight, and put my
> PVR-350
> >back in the machine (so I have a PVR-350 and a
> >PVR-500).  I've decided to switch to the PVR-350
> >MPEG-2 decoder rather than using xv (I can't get
> the
> >xv output to fill the screen without overscan and
> >stuff).  Plus, the PVR-350 MPEG-2 decoder output is
> >pretty darn slick.  Anyway, back to the point...
> >
> >I have connected the PVR-350 audio output to my
> >soundcard's (Creative SBLive 5.1) Line-In, and I
> get
> >sound coming out of the sound card without a
> problem. 
> >The catch though is that I can't adjust the volume
> >level within MythTV (pressing Vol+/Vol- or Mute
> >doesn't actually change/mute the volume).  Well,
> okay,
> >that's not actually quite true - there are two ways
> >that I can do this:
> >1. Allow MythTV to control the Master volume
> instead
> >of the PCM, or,
> >2. Change the Line-In volume within alsamixer while
> >watching a recording.
> >
> >Option (1) is undesireable, since it affects
> >everything else on the system (xmame, xine, etc). 
> >Option (2) sucks, since I have to SSH in and run
> >alsamixer.
> >
> >Does somebody have a solution to this problem?  If
> >not, then I guess I'll make a patch that adds
> support
> >for selecting the Line-In volume as the volume that
> >gets changed by the volume controls. (Audio page of
> >General Setup, "Mixer Controls" option.)
> >  
> >
>
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> 
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[mythtv-users] PVR-350 volume

[Joe Votour]

I thought that the answer to this might be in the
archives, but after scanning through pages of them
using different terms, I'm not so sure...

I upgraded to ivtv-0.3.8 tonight, and put my PVR-350
back in the machine (so I have a PVR-350 and a
PVR-500).  I've decided to switch to the PVR-350
MPEG-2 decoder rather than using xv (I can't get the
xv output to fill the screen without overscan and
stuff).  Plus, the PVR-350 MPEG-2 decoder output is
pretty darn slick.  Anyway, back to the point...

I have connected the PVR-350 audio output to my
soundcard's (Creative SBLive 5.1) Line-In, and I get
sound coming out of the sound card without a problem. 
The catch though is that I can't adjust the volume
level within MythTV (pressing Vol+/Vol- or Mute
doesn't actually change/mute the volume).  Well, okay,
that's not actually quite true - there are two ways
that I can do this:
1. Allow MythTV to control the Master volume instead
of the PCM, or,
2. Change the Line-In volume within alsamixer while
watching a recording.

Option (1) is undesireable, since it affects
everything else on the system (xmame, xine, etc). 
Option (2) sucks, since I have to SSH in and run
alsamixer.

Does somebody have a solution to this problem?  If
not, then I guess I'll make a patch that adds support
for selecting the Line-In volume as the volume that
gets changed by the volume controls. (Audio page of
General Setup, "Mixer Controls" option.)

Thanks,
Joe

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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-150/500 and bttv?

[Joe Votour]

Greg,

I must say that I'm a software developer, and not a
hardware developer, so I can't say with total
certainty how a PVR-500 actually works.

That said, the set-top box that I was working on has
the same idea as the PVR-500: two tuner chips (the
same chip for both paths), with one coaxial input. 
Therefore, it is a "splitter".  However, I don't think
that it's the same as a regular splitter - I don't
think that you lose 3.5dB, like you would with a
regular two-way splitter.  (I'd have to look at the
schematic and talk with the hardware engineer to be
certain).  Plus, if there was such a high loss, then
the engineers should have compensated for it by
driving up the amp a bit (which is generally done in
the software, and not in the hardware).

I'm sure that the LG tuner part is probably cheaper in
quality than previous parts, but I have a hard time
believing it's that crappy.  I'd believe a bad run
more than that.

BTW, by hand crimping, I suspect that he means the
coaxial connectors that have to be put on and
tightened with a special tool, and are very tight
(i.e. you have to strip down to the copper wire before
putting them on), versus cheaper connectors that stay
in place via soldering or screw-on methods).  There's
definitely a difference between the difference
connector types, we've seen that at the office in the
past (running coax between a CMTS and our cubicles,
for instance).

-- Joe

--- Greg Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 19:28 -0700, Joe Votour wrote:
> > I've read the thread you you mention, and call me
> > skeptical, but I don't buy it 100%.
> 
> Neither did I. I know lots of people who get fine
> reception without
> having to hand-crimp every connection. I am
> skeptical as to how much
> that matters except maybe in a few exceptional
> cases. But I do know just
> from my own experience that the signal degrades when
> splitters are used,
> especially at the end of a long run. The PVR-500
> also has a splitter
> inside it (it must, to the single input to two
> tuners) and is therefore
> more sensitive to signal degradation than is the 150
> (same card, single
> tuner). This is by no means intended as expert
> advice, it is merely what
> I have observed in my particular setup.
> 
> >  I might just
> > have to run a Windows/Linux comparison at some
> point.
> 
> I'm all for scientific experimentation to lend
> credence to or downplay
> theories; that would be an interesting test.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] PVR-150/500 and bttv?

[Joe Votour]

I've read the thread you you mention, and call me
skeptical, but I don't buy it 100%.

Yes, a poor cable signal can cause all sorts of
problems.  But short of doing a comparison between a
PVR-500 in Windows and the same card in Linux, you
just can't say that you have the tuner definitions
100% correct.

I work in the video industry, having worked on a
set-top box, and before that, cable modems.  The main
supplier of tuner chips that we use (starts in "B",
ends in "com", you figure the middle out) is the
absolute worst.

When their datasheet isn't outright lying, it's
missing information, and when the datasheet is
complete, the reference code is totally different. 
Then, there's also information that is only given to
the largest customers who pay a ton of money.

Right now, I have a PVR-250 that is of quality that is
much greater than my PVR-500 in the same machine.  The
TV does show that the signal isn't the greatest - but,
when signal runs through the PVR-500, every now and
then I get wavy lines and static, which is not visible
on the TV, or the PVR-250.

Since I have access to the equipment at work, I'll be
bringing home a cable analyzer to check my signal
level, but not everybody has access to this.  I'm
hoping that perhaps an upgrade in the ivtv driver (I'm
using the 0.2 series) will help out.  I might just
have to run a Windows/Linux comparison at some point.

-- Joe

--- "Michael T. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Greg Woods wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 2005-09-11 at 17:01 -0400, Michael Tiller
> wrote:
> >
> >>I don't know if the BTTV card just sucked (it was
> a Win-TV card) or if
> >>there was some kind of interference with the
> PVR-150?!?  If anybody
> >>knows of a reason why the presence of the PVR-150
> should make the BTTV
> >>signal suck and knows a way to address the
> problem, I'm all ears.
> >>
> >I tried to use a pcHDTV-3000 in the same machine as
> a PVR-150, and had
> >the same problem: the PVR-150 looked great, the
> signal for the 3000
> >sucked. In my case it turned out to be a signal
> strength problem.
> >  
> >
> As I posted in the other signal strength thread, you
> should check out: 
>
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/17953#17953
> 
> Mike
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Re: [mythtv-users] A station in my area changed to a different channel

[Joe Votour]

Running mythtvsetup will not clear out recordings,
priorities and such, as long as you tell it not to.

I moved into a new place (just last weekend,
actually), and went through that procedure.  Run
mythtvsetup, clear the channel listings, select my new
provider (also doing so in DataDirect), and everything
was good.

Well, everything MythTV related. There are some issues
with my cable co-op not reporting to Zap2It correctly,
so while my "non-local" channels are on Eastern
timezone feeds (I'm in California, which is Pacific),
not all of the lineups on Zap2It reflect this. 
Thankfully, Zap2It is working with me (and their
upstream listing providers) to correct the issue, I
just need to get the information from the cable co-op.

The only thing that you will have to fix yourself by
re-running mythtvsetup are any recording schedules
that were previously on the channels that changed. 
You'll have to tell it the new channel number.

All of your recordings will be unaffected.

-- Joe

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> Recently a station in my area (KATU) changed from
> channel 3 to channel 2. 
> MythTV still thinks KATU is on channel 3. What can I
> do to fix this. I 
> thought about running mythtvsetup, but won't that
> wipe out my scheduled 
> recordings, priorities, and such? Much thank in
> advance.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] How do you adjust font sizes?

[Joe Votour]

720x480 support seems to depend on your driver.

I am able to configure 720x480, and it works with the
version of the driver I have (I think it's 7664), but
when I watch TV or a recording, it's shrunk quite a
bit.  I have to play with the aspect ratio to work.

I run at 1024x768 on my nVidia GeForce 5200FX for a
couple of reasons:
1. The overscan seems to fill the screen better than
at 800x600
2. I've had some problems with xine in the past where
ir wouldn't play a file that was larger than the
current screen size (although maybe that's fixable via
command line arguments).

I keep telling myself I'll give the PVR-350 with xv
another shot.  It does work (but it seems that you
still need to use the onboard MPEG-2 decoder with
MythTV for MPEG-2 recordings), but the overscan
differed on recordings from the PVR-350 and the
PVR-500.  Hmmm...

-- Joe

--- Adam Bodnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I tried to set X to this resolution, but I got this
> in the X log file.
> 
> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "720x480" (no mode of
> this name)
> 
> Any ideas how to fix this?
> 
> Switched it to 800x600 and still no fix in the
> fonts. dpi is at 100
> 
> On 9/8/05, Robert Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On 08/09/05, Adam Bodnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Something I've never quite been cleared on, but
> for NTSC svideo is it
> > > better to run the screen resolution at 1024x768
> or 800x600?
> > 
> > Personally, for NTSC svideo, I've got my box
> configured @ 720x480 (IE,
> > TV resolution).
> > 
> > Just my £0.02
> > --
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Re: [mythtv-users] WinTV-PVR-500

[Joe Votour]

In the case of analog cable, only the one coaxial
cable is necessary.

With analog cable, every channel is transmitted over
the same wire with differing RF frequencies, in 6
(NTSC/Annex B) or 8 (PAL/Annex A) MHz increments.  The
PVR-500 has two tuners in it, even though it only has
one RF (coaxial) input, each tuner operates
independantly.

For digital cable, then you'll be using either one
coaxial and one S-Video/composite, or you can order
the extra Composite/S-Video adapter from Hauppauge.

-- Joe

--- Dewey Smolka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I just have one more question. Even though there
> is only one coaxial cable
> > coming into the card because theres only 1 cable
> input, I still can have 2
> > streams there, right? Or do I somehow need another
> cable input?
> >  
> 
> You need a seaprate capture for every input you
> want. If you want to
> use both inputs on the 500, you need to split your
> coaxial cable. If
> your cable is analog, that's all you need to do. If
> your cable is
> digital, you'll need IRBlaster to change the channel
> on the decoder
> box, and you'll need a separate decoder box for
> every input that you
> want to record digital channels.
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Re: [mythtv-users] WinTV-PVR-500

[Joe Votour]

Check that the ivtv driver detects your PVR-500 as two
PVR-150s.  Check that you can get data from both
tuners by doing a "cat /dev/videoX > test.mpg", where
X is first 0, and then 1.  If not, then it's an ivtv
problem.

Also, check that in the MythTV setup that you used
"Tuner 0" for both /dev/video0 and /dev/video1. 
Despite the fact there is a "Tuner 1" entry, it isn't
used with a PVR-500 (because the PVR-500 is seen by
the ivtv driver as two PVR-150s).

Can't help you with the LiveTV issue.  I rarely get
pauses when using it, and when I do, they're once per
half hour, or even once per hour.

-- Joe

--- Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>   I have the WinTV-PVR-500 from Hauppauge. It's
> supposed to be a dual tuner 
> card, and AFAIK Myth is only seeing one tuner. I
> press 'C' because that's 
> supposed to change inputs, and it does. But only
> when I'm not recording 
> anything. If I am recording Myth complains that all
> available inputs are in 
> use.
>   Another problem I have is my LiveTV playback
> pauses for about a tenth of a 
> second, EVERY second. It's really quite annoying and
> I've messed with quite 
> a few settings and still can't seem to fix it. Any
> help is appreciated.
>   - Thanks in advance,
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Re: [mythtv-users] safely exposing mythweb to the net.

[Joe Votour]

I use SSL, and my router only forwards port 443 to the
inside LAN, forwarding it to the MythTV machine. 
That, along with a .htaccess file makes it about as
secure as it's going to get.  (Short of tunnelling,
which I don't want to do).

I used to have port 22 (SSH) forwarded as well, but I
started getting a bunch of attempted SSH logins from
what must have been forged IP addresses (I think they
had something to do with the root DNS servers?).  Then
again, I'm currently on Comcrap, so there's probably a
script kiddie or two on the network.

-- Joe

--- Frank Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> I'm really starting to like my MythTV box, this is a
> great project!
> In case its relevant I'm running myth 18.1 on Fedora
> Core 4.
> 
> I'd like to be able to access mythweb from the
> public Internet (so
> that I can schedule recordings when I'm not at home
> etc..). With this
> in mind I cretaed an account with dyndns.org, and
> configured port
> forwarding on my router.
> 
> I'm guessing that my next step should be to harden
> my Apache
> configuration? should I enable https? are there any
> other precautions
> that I should be taking? The last thing I want is
> some dirty hacker
> having their evil-way with my mythbox!
> 
> If this covered in a howto or some other doc I'd
> appreciate a pointer.
> I searched, but I couldn't find anything that covers
> this specific
> topic... I saw the article on tunnelling through
> ssh[1], but I'd
> rather have a solution that my wife could use (she
> can certainly use a
> https site with a user name/password, but its a bit
> much to ask her to
> tunnel over ssh).
> 
> thanks, 
> --Frank
> 
> [1] 
>
http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/MythWebSSHTunnelHowto
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RE: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 question

[Joe Votour]

Note that I'm talking generically, having worked with
chips that are capable of doing both NTSC and PAL, and
their assorted other hardware bits.  I don't know what
parts a PVR-500 or a PVR-350 use, so this is a generic
explanation.  I don't want to say that it's not
possible, but there's definitely strikes against it
happening.  You're better off buying a proper card for
your region.

For the PAL PVR-500, it might work.  European channels
are 8MHz wide, versus 6MHz on an NTSC system. 
Therefore, the saw filter (assuming there is one, and
it's not done digitally) on the PVR-500 card would be
8MHz.  (The saw filter, by the way basically causes
the signals before and after [frequency + saw/2] to be
clipped).  So, you can get a 6MHz signal through an
8MHz saw filter (though 1MHz on each side could be
crap).

Where I see the problem on the PAL PVR-500 is that
they likely used a tuner chip that is only capable of
locking onto multiples of 8MHz, rather than one that
can lock anywhere (it's a cheaper and more readily
available part).  If, on the other hand, they didn't,
with some software changes, it should be possible to
at least tune to the frequency and receive data. 
S-Video input is also an option, since there should be
no need for the tuner.  The MPEG-2 encoder should be
programmable to receive PAL or NTSC signals, so again,
with (maybe) a software change, you'd be able to have
your PAL PVR-500 work as an NTSC one.

The NTSC PVR-350 working in PAL though, well, I don't
think that's going to happen.  You'd be feeding an
8MHz channel through a 6MHz saw filter (or the
equivalant) which would chop off part of the RF
signal.  Your capture is absolute crap at this point. 
S-Video might work, but that's about it.  Same notes
on the software part, about programming the MPEG-2
encoder to work in PAL mode (if supported).

-- Joe

--- Marty Ravell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a mate with an NTSC PVR-350 but who has just
> relocated to Australia
> (PAL land). Any idea if the reverse is also
> possible?
> 
> 
> Regards
> Marty
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Gideon N. Guillen
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 8:58 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: [mythtv-users] PVR-500 question
> 
> I have a question regarding the PVR-500. 
> 
> Will a PAL PVR-500 work with NTSC? I'm in a NTSC
> country, but I saw
> this PVR-500 being sold locally at a very low price.
> The vendor said
> it's the PAL model. I'm just wondering if I can use
> this card for NTSC
> signals (including cable TV). It should be a good
> replacement for my
> existing bttv card that I'm using for MythTV.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Why does channel 4 transmit a silent audio track as well as the normal audio?

[Joe Votour]

I live in the U.S., and I've never worked with
mencoder, so I can't comment on the actual stream in
question, however:
PID 0x0010, which is classified as "other stream" is
actually the PMT (Program Map Table) in DVB.  This is
where the actual PIDs are listed for the various
streams within the program.  (I'm guessing that the
output you have for the PIDs comes from mencoder, and
it appears to be parsing the PMT correctly).

>From there, the PIDs listed in the PMT will have their
own descriptors, within the PID data itself.  The
stream type would be set according to the audio type
that is contained in them.  Your output doesn't show
that, and for your purposes, it would be helpful to
know (so that you can see what is in PID 0x0231,
whether it's AC3 or MPEG-2 audio).

Stripping PIDs from an MPEG-2 file is actually pretty
easy (I've written such software before, it's only 20
lines of C, tops), since the PID is the second and
third bytes in every MPEG-2 packet, and every MPEG-2
packet is 188 bytes long (including header).  You just
read in the entire file, throw away MPEG-2 packets
that you don't want.  But, don't throw away PID
0x1FFF, it's sometimes used for timing purposes (via
padding).  Changing what the PID contains would be
more difficult, and means you'd be parsing MPEG-2
packets (I've done that too) - messy.

-- Joe

--- George Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Im grabbing DVB-T transport streams using recent
> myth cvs. I am then
> encoding them with mencoder to xvid.
> 
> All channels work perfectly (that ive tried) except
> UK Channel 4. This
> seems to be broadcast with 4 streams within the TS
> as follows:
> 
> 
> File c4.nuv is an MPEG-2 Transport Stream
> 
> Found PID 0x, Program Association Table Stream
> Found PID 0x0010, Other Stream
> Found PID 0x0232, stream id 0xC0 = MPEG Audio Stream
> 0
> Found PID 0x0230, stream id 0xEA = Video Stream 10
> Found PID 0x0231, stream id 0xC0 = MPEG Audio Stream
> 0
> Found PID 0x0233, stream id 0xBD = Private Stream 1
> 
> Summary:
> 
> MPEG Transport Packets = 1624357
> PID 0x, Program Association Table packets = 811,
> total bytes = 149224
> PID 0x0010, Other packets = 811, total bytes =
> 149224
> PID 0x0230, Video stream 10 packets = 1466255, total
> bytes = 269454132
> PID 0x0231, MPEG Audio stream 0 packets = 112473,
> total bytes = 20638808
> PID 0x0232, MPEG Audio stream 0 packets = 38228,
> total bytes = 6880992
> PID 0x0233, Private Stream 1 packets = 5779, total
> bytes = 1001675
> 
> The PID 231 contains the actual audio for the show,
> but the PID 232
> seems to contain only silence. Anyone know why C4
> broadcast silence?
> is it a different codec? ac3 perhaps?
> 
> Anyway, as sods law would have it, mencoder encodes
> the second, broken
> audio track, and I end up with a silent movie :(
> 
> Anyone know how to remove a pid from a ts? or maybe
> just re-label it
> as non-audio so mencoder doesnt pick it up?
> 
> Should the program association table stream tell
> mencoder which one to
> use? is mencoder broken in that respect?
> 
> what do others use to convert TS's to xvid? i may
> try ffmpeg, as that
> seems to pick the correct audio stream...
> 
> any clues from the DVB expects?
> 
> thanks
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Need IR advice

[Joe Votour]

Yes, it is possible, if you have the right remote.

I don't know how to do it through JP1, but with an
OneForAll remote control (such as the URC-6131 that I
have), you can actually map the buttons from one mode
to another.

So, as an example of how I'd do it:
1. Setup my TV button to work with my TV.
2. Setup my PVR button (I actually used the remote's
built-in functionality to make my PVR button a second
VCR button, since the Hauppauge RC-5 uses a VCR code).
3. You would then use the function of the remote (I
think they call it "Keymover", but I don't remember
right now) to copy the TV definition of VOL+/- and
POWER to the same buttons in PVR mode.
This can all be accomplished without a JP1 cable.

If you choose to go the JP1 route, you can do a
similar thing, I'm sure, but I've never used JP1, so I
can't explain how to do it.  My understanding of JP1
is that it acts at a much lower level, actually
specifying the pulses, so you can program every button
to any IR signal you wanted, including that of an IR
keyboard.

-- Joe

--- Michael Tiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This sounds interesting. But I have a few questions.
> I want this remote to 
> function like a TiVo remote. By that I mean I want
> all the buttons to 
> control the MythTV machine except the volume related
> buttons (UP, DOWN and 
> MUTE) and the Power button. These should send codes
> to the TV. I 
> specifically don't want to have to hit the "TV"
> button to control the TV and 
> a "VCR/DVR" button to control the DVR. I want to set
> it up so that the 
> volume buttons in DVR model control the TV.
> 
> Is this possible?
> 
> --
> Mike
> 
> On 8/30/05, Jason McMillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > 
> > I second the JP-1 idea. You need build yourself a
> JP-1 cable (an old IDE 
> > cable works well) to program your remote with.
> >  Check out http://www.hifi-remote.com/jp1/ for
> more info.
> >  Here is what I did to get mine working with
> MythTV 
> >
>
http://jason.sharonandjason.com/remote_mini_how_to.htm
> >  Good luck...
> > 
> > 
> >  On 8/28/05, Joe Votour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > If you can get RC-5 working, then you can use
> the
> > > receiver that came with your PVR-150. No extra
> > > expense there. In order to get the extra buttons
> to 
> > > work, you might need a different remote though.
> (But,
> > > remotes can be cheap - the URC-6131 that I use
> is only
> > > $20.)
> > > 
> > > It sounds like it's a problem with your receiver
> -
> > > either the receiver is broken, or lirc isn't
> working 
> > > with it.
> > > 
> > > By the way, if you want all of the buttons on
> your
> > > remove to work, you either need to:
> > > 1. Find a mode where all of the buttons send IR
> > > signals, and use that with your irman-like
> device
> > > (because it won't work with the PVR-150
> receiver), or 
> > > 2. Get a remote that supports key programming
> (like an
> > > OneForAll remote, or something JP1 compatible)
> and
> > > program the buttons that don't send IR codes to
> send
> > > them.
> > > 
> > > Also, just so you know, the way I setup my irman
> with 
> > > my universal remote (using RC-5) was to create a
> > > config file with the irman tools, and then use a
> > > script (I think it was included with lirc) to
> convert
> > > the irman config file to a lirc config file.
> I've
> > > never had much luck with irrecord. 
> > > 
> > > -- Joe
> > > 
> > > --- Michael Tiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > My concern with this approach is that I will
> still
> > > > see the code
> > > > "fluxuations" with that device. 
> > > >
> > > > I did a little more testing and all my remotes
> have
> > > > this problem...even the
> > > > RC-5 ones. It just turns out the RC-5 is much
> more
> > > > robust.
> > > >
> > > > Another interesting (strange?!?) thing I
> noticed is 
> > > > that the "errors" don't
> > > > seem to be related to which keys were pressed
> > > > previously...they crop up when
> > > > I change the position or orientation of the
> remote
> > > > control! If I move the 
> > > > remote around while holding a single button
> down,
> > > > the variations c