Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP
Felix Underhill wrote: I'm still confused on the same point: Some people talk about copying the boot record (the first 512 bytes from the linux partition) and copying it to the windows partition. Other people seem to be saying that linux will sort out the booting and never mention copying the boot record or editing bootlaoder config files. Which is right? Thanks, SW I've run XP Pro and Mandrake 8.2 on the same drive with no problems. I installed XP first by assigning it half of my drive. Then I setup 8.2 on the other half. When I boot up the system, the bootloader (I presume to be lilo, not grub) shows me several options. These include the various linux types and NT. I choose NT if I want XP and it loads up as usual. :) D Urgh! An XP installation behind a linux installation can do interesting and destructive things to disk. Check the expert archives for about the last two weeks, under my name. An XP update can do nasty things to a linux install. The EULA you click agreement on with XP gives Microsoft the right to disable non-MS software on your disk. Norton Antivirus will wipe out a linux install unrecoverably if you install on FAT32 for linux (just don't do it, ext2 or ext3 or any of the journaling filesystems work better. Trend ChipAway Antivirus in the BIOS will shriek about LILO in the boot sector if you leave it enabled. This can set up a situation where you cannot force a reboot remotely because Trend is screaming waiting for a key to be pressed. (And there were a few BIOSes where I had to hand-code to turn it off because the BIOS did not offer the option--so I had to copy it out and flash it back after deleting the enabling code for Trend, an activity that did not make me a fan of (anti)virus writers. Well replacing the link with a No-op... Anyway, people seem to be having more success with XP on one disk and Mandrake on another, with the bootloader pointers in the Master Boot Record on the XP disk (which must be first or the wimpy op system called XP sulks and refuses to work). Now for my personal experience. Someone tanked 98 and his hdd and most of his Mobo (I saved the memory) and all his power supply AND his HDD by setting up for 220V and plugging in. He asked me to fix the mess--so he had his case and his old SDRAM and he could not find 98, and I could not find a 98 replacement that would work satisfactorily with PowerDVD (he had zapped his Hollywood card and lost the little cable that went from AGP to it as well). I installed XP Home edition on 10 G of his new disk with his new mobo and new CPU. It worked. On the other 10G I threw on 8.2 Download (And he has since bought himself Prosuite since he had a DVD drive which survived). So far, so good. 8.2 is running on ext2 because I saw no reason to slow it down with ext3, and the updates have not killed it yet. I set up a test install on the defaced Barbie(tm) computer I have and it worked for XP and also for 8.2, but there was an errata on that one about making the usbmouse continue to work--On 8.2. Another Person had a Dell Dimension running 98. He loaded an XP Update and put his system out of access. It refused to recognize either one of his Microsoft natural Internet Keyboard and Microsoft Optical Intellimouse. Well he now had 4G of music he had actually paid for the privilege of downloading he could not access and he sent up a flare. I added a temporary HDD, installed 8.1 on it, booted, scooped his files to that disk then used fdisk to wipe his XP install. He was now out on the order of $295 to Microsoft for their tech assistance over the phone plus an additional $48 for the phone calls (mostly waiting time), but he did manage to return XP for a refund. He dual-boots 98 and 8.2 Prosuite on his Machine today and spends almost all of his time in WindowMaker with several tens of megs of WM themes he has downloaded. Even his sound is played through linux. I set up a temporary test system using XP Pro on an ASUS A7N266-VM with a 40G hda and a 20Ghdc and a CDRW/DVD all in a rather small desktop case. XP had 15 G of hda, /boot and /iso took up a little less than 5G and the rest was a RAID0 array for /, /usr, /home, /var, /opt, and /spare, testing JFS, XFS, Reiserfs, and ext3. I never used XP much and removed it shortly after completing testing, but it never did me wrong. Now there was another test--I had a blank front-end on a 60G disk and it was paired with a 40G on an old Matsonic VIA KT133A/686B I used the XP CD for formatting the FAT32 into an NTFS partition to find the means of mounting it from 8.2. That was an Oops--my partitions had not been in disk number order and XP decided to do something about that without informaing me. Of course /etc/fstab was not changed so my next linux boot executed a swapon on my /var partition and complained that it couldn't find a valid superblock on my one of my swap partitions which it
Re: [newbie] OT (maybe) - Matter of Opinion
On Wednesday 31 Jul 2002 1:20 am, you wrote: Give 'em away. A lot of non profit groups have older machines that can't run Microsoft's latest but could run an older Mandrake release just fine. Help your community and promote Linux at the same time. I received my first set of disks from a kind member of this list who sent them to me instead of throwing them away when she upgraded to a more recent release. Warren El lun, 29-07-2002 a las 13:54, Anne Wilson escribió: Is there any point at all in keeping Linux Format disks that are over a year old? Seems to me that at the rate things change it is unlikely that they will ever get used. Giving away seems fine to me - I hate waste - but they will only get binned unless they have someone with time and interest to explore. Any hints on how to discriminate? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Civilme petition - PETITION???.
Colin Jenkins wrote: Hello John, Wednesday, July 31, 2002, 12:48:53 PM, you wrote: JR At 11:14 AM 31/07/02, you did spake with authority John Rigby wrote: JR Again, please stop shooting at the messenger - learn to look at things in JR an adult way. Don't be afraid of new/different information. THAT is how we JR all learn. JR Those that do advance, anyway. JR PEACE! JR John Rigby Usually I stay right out of this type of discussion, but I have to agree with you.. I work with windows networking every day and continue to persevere with linux at home. I have just introduced a couple of linux boxes at work, and it is becoming a nightmare to set them up with windows. As much as I want to use linux, the software I HAVE to use only runs on windows (emulators are no answer). I also have scanners, printers and other devices that do not work with md8.2 and I will not be 'upgrading' hardware just to un a different os. Unfortunatly, there are too many fanatics (both windows and linux) who will not accept that an os is a tool, not a way of life. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Yes, those items at the Microsoft trial were lumped together in what is called the application barrier to entry. Microsoft has influenced hardware makers to issue hardware that needs drivers which use the CPU heavily (easy to do in a cost-sensitive market) and then assisted them in preparing the drivers so that they are never released for another platform. And bound them with a contract for secrecy, so the other side cannot easily reverse-engineer the drivers from the behavior of the devices with zero tech info. Printers aren't too hard, and much progress has been made; scanners are more difficult, and USB modems and some video cards are nigh-on impossible. But there is a hidden cost in using such stuff which the survivors in the business world will have considered... Proprietary applications are fast becoming uncrackable because more and more states are passing UCITA which gives software license agreements the force of law(!!!). Once that passes in Washington State, unless Microsoft sees fit to alter its EULA, it will be illegal to write an import program for Word or Excel or Publisher files, and Microsoft is under no obligation to provide an export program. At that point, with your _business_data_ hostage, $ub$cription fee$ become likely and rather unavoidable. Expect a lot of different revenue models to be experimented with, for, if truth be known, Microsoft is losing money as well. Their financials look good because a loophole in the law allows them not to account for a huge obligation to their employees, and as a result their stock prices are a bit puffed. So my layoff is not a harbinger. It is Mandrakesoft doing what is necessaryto survive--the picture actually looks rosy with the current programs ramping up--but those revenue streams are by no means immediate--selling preinstalled computers is great, but revenue becomes significant about 90 to 120 days after the sales begin, for example. The real key players are the developers, not me. Now finally a word about difficulty. Those complaining the loudest seem to be the ones who know Windows best. The systems are different, and it is remarkable that there is enough carryover that sswitching is not a whole lot more painful than it is. I know folks who used the original Word Perfect before it was twice sold, and they still run Windows 3.11 to use it, because it is what they learned. And the only way to get it from them is to pry it from their cold, dead fingers. But try Mandrake preinstalled. SInce we worked with the manufacturer and developed scripts to tune it to the hardware specifically, there are no problems. Of course, there are still scanners and other devices that won't work, but for new acquisitons it is easy to avoid them. But it is OK for businesses to stick with windows for now. If I set up consulting for conversion, I will be charging much much more later when the data has been placed in a hostage situation, because I will have to print it to paper, use a scanner and OCR, and write programs to store it in open, human-readable formats. Like the mechanic holding up the FRAM(tm) oil filter, I can hold up linux and say, Pay me now, or pay me later, your choice. And again, I apologize for the post to the list. I don't think the layoff would have been noticeable, from the perspective of list members. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Gnome-Card
Sending again, in the vain hope that someone knows something about Gnome-card :-) My contact details are all in a .vcf file read by Gnome-card. This gives an easy to read display, and all was well until I wanted to amend a record. When I saved the file I found that it would not read the new version. I had to rename the backup file and load it unaltered. I am at a loss as to what may be causing this. The fact that the file is written seems to rule out permission problems. Any ideas, anyone? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderstorms/Powersurges/Powerfailures
Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 29 Jul 2002 9:17 pm, you wrote: This may sound a simple question but what if anything can computer owners do, that doesn't cost an arm and a leg , to protect their equipement from bad weather. Surge protected power strips are definitely better than nothing. Personally I feel much safer with a UPS, so here is my suggestion: Try to find a small vendor that deals in business systems. Ask if they have a used UPS (they tend to get replaced in business systems as a safeguard). Since disposal of electronic equipment is now pricey, they may be glad to let you have it for next to nothing. My UPS is about 8 years old and was replaced by the company in question when it was about 4. Anne Anne I think that is a very good idea, what's more I know a few local firms that just might well have such an item. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] normalize
Hi, Just learnt how to use normalize, but am still confused about the normal and -mix mode. Let's say I have three files with the RMS volume of 3, 5 and 7 (1 being quietest, 10 being loudest). As far as I understand, normalize without switches raises the RMS volume of all the files to 10. Normalize in the mix mode should calculate the average RMS volume (5 in this case) and put all files' RMS volume to this level. However, today -mix gave me a higher volume on the output file than normalize without switches. How come? -- TIA Roman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Don't know how to install M8.2..HELP!!!
Dear all, I'm having trouble installing Linux-Mandrake 8.2. Hope you can help. I chose the recommended method of install and chose "Use existing partition", after that it tells me to choose mount points. Here is what the screen says hda1 (2.2GB,Linux native)__ hda6 (1.5GB,Linux native)__ I left both blank coz i don't know what is mount points and clicked OK. It then says: An error occured Oops, no root partition. I said "fine", i'll just add something, hda1 (2.2GB,Linux native)test hda6 (1.5GB,Linux native)test2 After clicking Ok, i get the same error message. I've been trying to install 8.2 for the past 3 days already and it's getting me so frustrated and with some of you saying it's easier than installing windows. it really makes me wonder Regards, Sean P.S. Using 200MHZ desktop . -- -- "...if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. " - 2 Chron 7:14
[newbie] Don't know how to install M8.2..HELP!!!
Dear all, I'm having trouble installing Linux-Mandrake 8.2. Hope you can help. I chose the recommended method of install and chose "Use existing partition", after that it tells me to choose mount points. Here is what the screen says hda1 (2.2GB,Linux native)__ hda6 (1.5GB,Linux native)__ I left both blank coz i don't know what is mount points and clicked OK. It then says: An error occured Oops, no root partition. I said "fine", i'll just add something, hda1 (2.2GB,Linux native)test hda6 (1.5GB,Linux native)test2 After clicking Ok, i get the same error message. I've been trying to install 8.2 for the past 3 days already and it's getting me so frustrated and with some of you saying it's easier than installing windows. it really makes me wonder Regards, Sean P.S. Using 200MHZ desktop . -- "...if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. " - 2 Chron 7:14
Re: [newbie] Civilme petition - PETITION???.
I'm not on sylpheed, so this slipped through :( On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:48:53PM +1000, John Rigby wrote: At 11:14 AM 31/07/02, you did spake with authority John Rigby wrote: Linux is still a ^%$#$%^*^^ of a product to install and setup in a business-workable format. -- John, I am tired of hearing you say this. I have no idea of what problems you have (please don't bother telling me). snip All I can say is: READ *THIS* LIST! The complaints by volume and extent here are ferocious, considering most people here fancy themselves as at least partial geeks - they LIKE playing with things. I can't even understand the questions! :-) nuff said. snip No, the big money in Linux is in finding the RARE, rare person who is a geek and can get it all to go - not in MONTHS but a day. Your obsession with making a buck explains a lot. snip Again, please stop shooting at the messenger - learn to look at things in an adult way. Don't be afraid of new/different information. THAT is how we all learn. Take your own medicine. Those that do advance, anyway. Like you? Want a new money-making scheme? Write a book on how to annoy people. You're an expert. -- Todd Slater Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Don't know how to install M8.2..HELP!!!
Sean Goh wrote: Dear all, I'm having trouble installing Linux-Mandrake 8.2. Hope you can help. I chose the recommended method of install and chose Use existing partition, after that it tells me to choose mount points. Here is what the screen says *hda1 (2.2GB,Linux native)__ hda6 (1.5GB,Linux native)__* I left both blank coz i don't know what is mount points and clicked OK. It then says: *An error occured Oops, no root partition. *I said fine, i'll just add something,* **hda1 (2.2GB,Linux native)test hda6 (1.5GB,Linux native)test2 *After clicking Ok, i get the same error message. I've been trying to install 8.2 for the past 3 days already and it's getting me so frustrated and with some of you saying it's easier than installing windows. it really makes me wonder Regards, Sean P.S. Using 200MHZ desktop . -- -- ...if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. - 2 Chron 7:14 What you want is hda1 / hda6 /home You must not be installing Mandrake because diskdrake has an auto-allocate button, or else you must be using text install. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] normalize
On Wednesday July 31 2002 07:47 am, Roman Korcek wrote: Hi, Just learnt how to use normalize, but am still confused about the normal and -mix mode. Let's say I have three files with the RMS volume of 3, 5 and 7 (1 being quietest, 10 being loudest). As far as I understand, normalize without switches raises the RMS volume of all the files to 10. Normalize in the mix mode should calculate the average RMS volume (5 in this case) and put all files' RMS volume to this level. However, today -mix gave me a higher volume on the output file than normalize without switches. How come? MIX MODE This mode is made especially for making mixed CD's and the like. You want every song on the mix to be the same vol ume, but it doesn't matter if they are the same volume as the songs on some other mix you made last week. In mix mode, average level of all the files is computed, and each file is separately normalized to this average volume. So, for example, in my /wav directory, I run 'normalize -m *.wav' IME, that this always goes thru all the .wav files, and determines an average volume. Then normalize proceeds to show that it is either raising or lowering (+db, -db) each individual file to the average volume level. Maybe I don't understand your question. IME, tho, that normalize works best, the more files you equalize at the same time. I always do at least 20 or more at once (about what'll fit on an audio CD). If I've got more, specially enough for 2 or more CD's, I normalize 'em all together. IOW's 'the more the merrier' ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Don't know how to install M8.2..HELP!!!
Sean Goh wrote: Dear all, I'm having trouble installing Linux-Mandrake 8.2. Hope you can help. I chose the recommended method of install and chose Use existing partition, after that it tells me to choose mount points. Here is what the screen says *hda1 (2.2GB,Linux native)__ hda6 (1.5GB,Linux native)__* I left both blank coz i don't know what is mount points and clicked OK. It then says: *An error occured Oops, no root partition. *I said fine, i'll just add something,* **hda1 (2.2GB,Linux native)test hda6 (1.5GB,Linux native)test2 *After clicking Ok, i get the same error message. I've been trying to install 8.2 for the past 3 days already and it's getting me so frustrated and with some of you saying it's easier than installing windows. it really makes me wonder Regards, Sean P.S. Using 200MHZ desktop . Does sound as though you are having fun and games Sean. Seems as though there are some basic terms your not familiar with. Mount points are essential to any linux system, in the above example the installer is asking you to choose which partitions to create and install the Linux OS on , and to mount them. The absolute minimum is a base root partition recognised by the symbol, / , and a swap partition , recognised by the symbol, /swap, and the swap partition is your linux equivelant of Virtual memory that in windblows exists as a file (which can expand within predefined limits) whereas in linux it's a defined as a partition. Obviously you don't yet understand the need to create these partitions and define them as per the installer is requesting you do. It is hard to advise someone when they don't give you their hardrive details, such as harddrive size, number and size of existing partitions etc etc , but since you got as far as the disc drake partition tool you are well on the way to a Linux OS. Diskdrake gives you an easy visual display of your harddrive(s) . Use it's graphical tools to make and define the partitions you want. Hope the above helps. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Message from MandrakeSoft CEO.
Hi Mandrakians - I'm sending this message regarding yesterday's message about Civilme. This message is from Jacques Le Marois, CEO- he currently doesn't have direct Internet access- Gaël. __ Hello, We have been reading the messages in this thread and understand the strong emotions that are being expressed regarding Civileme. Civileme has always been extremely devoted to the community of Mandrake users, and he will also be deeply missed within the company. But here's our current situation: Just like any other organization, MandrakeSoft needs to cover the high cost of salaries with revenue -- this has not yet happened . MandrakeSoft needs to reach the break-even point, or will eventually disappear. This goal can be accomplished by two methods: by increasing revenue, and by reducing costs. Both of these techniques have been used for more than a year, and we should reach break-even before the end of this current year. But this means, among other things, making some difficult decisions. The dot-com era has ended, and we no longer receive money from venture capitalists -- we depend entirely on our customers and users. Fortunately, the Mandrake Club (http://www.mandrakeclub.com) has been successful enough to limit the number of new layoffs. The health and success of the Club directly translates to the number of employees who will continue to be paid to deliver our community support services. These difficult decisions are based entirely on finding a balance between income and expenses. Even though the company's revenue growth is very good (even higher than expected), we must continue to make important (and sometimes painful) decisions to ensure profitibility. As soon as the financial situation improves, we would like to provide the opportunity for Civileme, and others, to rejoin the company if they desire. Sincerely, Jacques Le Marois, CEO __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] normalize
Hey Tom, Just learnt how to use normalize, but am still confused about the normal and -mix mode. Let's say I have three files with the RMS volume of 3, 5 and 7 (1 being quietest, 10 being loudest). As far as I understand, normalize without switches raises the RMS volume of all the files to 10. Normalize in the mix mode should calculate the average RMS volume (5 in this case) and put all files' RMS volume to this level. However, today -mix gave me a higher volume on the output file than normalize without switches. How come? MIX MODE This mode is made especially for making mixed CD's and the like. You want every song on the mix to be the same vol ume, but it doesn't matter if they are the same volume as the songs on some other mix you made last week. In mix mode, average level of all the files is computed, and each file is separately normalized to this average volume. Thanks for your answer. I have read the manual thoroughly. So, for example, in my /wav directory, I run 'normalize -m *.wav' IME, that this always goes thru all the .wav files, and determines an average volume. Then normalize proceeds to show that it is either raising or lowering (+db, -db) each individual file to the average volume level. Maybe I don't understand your question. Probably ;-). So, to rephrase it, what does normalize do *without* any switches? -- TIA Roman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Civilme petition - PETITION???.
John, I have a question for you, how much would YOU pay a geek? $9.00/hr, perhaps? Of course a geek doesn't need sunshine right? Yes I live in a cave, yes I can setup a Linux distro in a short time, yes I do all my office apps under Linux, yes I ONLY touch a windows box when I HAVE too, yes I also play with FreeBSD, I have also used OS/2 Warp, and Mac OS 7.x, 8.x, 9.x, and OS X, I have also administered Main/Mini frames BEFORE I began working on Micro computers (PC's), and I have worked on Unix boxes such as Solaris, SCO, HP-UX, Unisys, AIX, and a few others. All this and I am NOT a geek. I am a 6'3 200lb bruiser with an attitude, who likes to lurk in the background listening to the REAL geeks talk about problems that they have, and learn how they solve them. If you would listen a little as well, perhaps you would see that it only a few rare people who can not set up a Linux box. Or maybe I am a geek, a non-standard geek. I would consider that the greatest of compliments, to be called a geek, because I obviously can do something that you cannot. Oh btw, I am also a Windows admin, so I DO know both sides of the story, and I prefer Linux/Unix, and I have made it work quite well in a business-workable format. Maybe you should hire me, but I am afraid that I would have to charge an ID10T like you quite a bit more than $9.00/hr, perhaps more than you could afford. :) If my message appears offensive to you, then so be it, I found your message to be far ruder in comments to the intellect on the people on this list, and far more abusive in nature. Speaking of reading lists, you should perhaps read more on the subject of undocumented features from MS Windows, reference BUGS, easter eggs, GPF's, and B.S.O.D. If you've ever had to spend a weekend reloading a server because it had performed a GPF, and lost the ntldr file, then you would know why Linux is a better and often more stable solution for corporate America. Thank you for taking the time to read this, but I still have work to do. Civilme I have enjoyed reading you bits of wisdom, as I have lurked, I wish you luck in your future endeavors. -Original Message- From: John Rigby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Civilme petition - PETITION???. At 11:14 AM 31/07/02, you did spake with authority John Rigby wrote: Linux is still a ^%$#$%^*^^ of a product to install and setup in a business-workable format. -- John, I am tired of hearing you say this. I have no idea of what problems you have (please don't bother telling me). I have a dual boot machine with Mandrake 8.2 and (sort of) Win 98. Mandrake installed without a wrinkle and has remained stable. Win 98 was a struggle to get video and modem (external) to work. Furthermore when that decorated soldier - Gen Fault - salutes the reboot loses the video driver and it is another fight to get it setup properly. I *KNOW* what that is - not a big problem under windoze any novice help list will show you how :_) Look, frankly who cares what *you* think? This was part of a serious offer to help a young fellow in a difficult circumstance and you whine about something nonsensical ! All I can say is: READ *THIS* LIST! The complaints by volume and extent here are ferocious, considering most people here fancy themselves as at least partial geeks - they LIKE playing with things. I can't even understand the questions! :-) There is no point in continually shooting at the messenger! LINUX *IS* a ^*%$$%^ to set up. READ THIS VERY LIST - and it is only *one* of dozens. Even *you* are still running W98!!! As for not seeing both sides - I even once used an Apple! No, the big money in Linux is in finding the RARE, rare person who is a geek and can get it all to go - not in MONTHS but a day. I have never, ever met one myself, but I live in the sunshine If I could have found one hirable person who could demonstrate that they could get Linux to run in a business situation easily - NOTE: real world business situation - I would have started a Computer business again this year - even here in paradise, there is a lot of easy(?) money to be made. The catch was, the only two competent people I eventually found were already self-employed and making a motza - often by throwing out MS$ systems and setting up hybrids - O.S. Linux and decent (and familiar) programs running under Win4lin or whatsitsname. I have recently installed test runs of Linux distros that DO work, several times, but the problems with useful programs/utilities show it to be long way off everyday user value to do it without expert assistance, yet. Again, people, I am not anti-anything except bigots and fanatics. I think Linux is the only hope of stopping Big Bill's juggernaut. Well, slowing it a little, anyway. :-) But, the current hope is
Re: [newbie] Message from MandrakeSoft CEO.
- Original Message - From: Gael Duval [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: [newbie] Message from MandrakeSoft CEO. SNIP Hi Mandrakians - I'm sending this message regarding yesterday's message about Civilme. This message is from Jacques Le Marois, CEO- he currently doesn't have direct Internet access- Gaël. /SNIP __ I emailed him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and got a similar though not identical reply to you within 3 minutes Regards Pete Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] normalize
On Wednesday July 31 2002 09:42 am, Roman Korcek wrote: Hey Tom, Thanks for your answer. I have read the manual thoroughly. I suspected you did, but it was a 'public' answer I'm a normalize fan ;) IMO, store bought CD's, ripped to wav's and normalized -m, then re-burned, sound better than the original. Maybe I don't understand your question. Probably ;-). So, to rephrase it, what does normalize do *without* any switches? dunno, when I realized the -mix mode is what I needed, that's all I've ever used -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP suggestion
I have XP on NTFS on my laptop along with linux 8.2, I have loaded all the updates for XP, I have defragged and use it every day in either XP or 8.2 guise, and have not had a problem.. so maybe it only happens on specific hardware.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anand Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP suggestion Hi, I may be wrong about this... but I beleive that it depends on whether the XP is on NTFS or not. My friend installed Linux with XP on fat32 without any special precautions (like not installing lilo on MBR) and he didn't have any problems. I did the same thing with XP on NTFS and ended up loosing my windows. I then had to load lilo from XP bootloader (After reinstalling XP ofcourse). Please correct me if I am wrong. Anand On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bryan Tyson wrote: On Tuesday 30 July 2002 09:06 am, Scott wrote: I'm still confused on the same point: Some people talk about copying the boot record (the first 512 bytes from the linux partition) and copying it to the windows partition. Other people seem to be saying that linux will sort out the booting and never mention copying the boot record or editing bootlaoder config files. Which is right? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Civilme petition - PETITION???.
July 30, 2002 08:48 pm, John Rigby wrote: Major snips I *KNOW* what that is - not a big problem under windoze any novice help list will show you how :_) Look, frankly who cares what *you* think? This was part of a serious offer to help a young fellow in a difficult circumstance and you whine about something nonsensical ! All I can say is: READ *THIS* LIST! The complaints by volume and extent here are ferocious, considering most people here fancy themselves as at least partial geeks - they LIKE playing with things. I can't even understand the questions! :-) There is no point in continually shooting at the messenger! LINUX *IS* a ^*%$$%^ to set up. READ THIS VERY LIST - and it is only *one* of dozens. Even *you* are still running W98!!! As for not seeing both sides - I even once used an Apple! No, the big money in Linux is in finding the RARE, rare person who is a geek and can get it all to go - not in MONTHS but a day. I have never, ever met one myself, but I live in the sunshine If I could have found one hirable person who could demonstrate that they could get Linux to run in a business situation easily - NOTE: real world business situation - I would have started a Computer business again this year - even here in paradise, there is a lot of easy(?) money to be made. The catch was, the only two competent people I eventually found were already self-employed and making a motza - often by throwing out MS$ systems and setting up hybrids - O.S. Linux and decent (and familiar) programs running under Win4lin or whatsitsname. I have recently installed test runs of Linux distros that DO work, several times, but the problems with useful programs/utilities show it to be long way off everyday user value to do it without expert assistance, yet. Again, people, I am not anti-anything except bigots and fanatics. I think Linux is the only hope of stopping Big Bill's juggernaut. Well, slowing it a little, anyway. :-) But, the current hope is certainly not the Mandrake approach. I'm not even sure if anyone else will now be able to catch the Lindows rabbit. Boy! Those people know how to market! Boy! They listened to what the market wants/needs! Did EXACTLY what I've been saying here and elsewhere for years.. Again, please stop shooting at the messenger - learn to look at things in an adult way. Don't be afraid of new/different information. THAT is how we all learn. Those that do advance, anyway. PEACE! John Rigby ~~~ Mr. Rigby; I *KNOW* what that is - not a big problem under windoze any novice help list will show you how :_) If you know what it is, fine. So do I and I don't like it at all. It's called Microsoft Windows. We're all entitled to an opinion but we're all entitled to ignore the statements of a person that seems to require the level of support provided for operating systems by MS. Which is ridiculous when you think about it since the online help button that was provided for WIN ME was a link to the ZDNET Computer Help Forum. Or do you really like point, click, crash, reboot, reinstall and *PAY!*? I don't; I never have and never will. Let's analyze your comments regarding OS Linux and *decent* applications for a moment, shall we? Windows ships with daemons to connect to your ISP through whatever means you use, correct? When a (new) friend purchased a new system a while back he had to call me in order to connect to the local cable company after setting up the machine. I was forced to walk him through the connection through _right clicking and selecting properties_ in the browser to set up the connection and even then Windows didn't seem inclined to use the connection as specified. It almost demanded that he use the OLS set-up included. Why would he pay MSN Networks for a connection that can't be made from here? I went over with an additional 40 GB hard drive, installed MDK 8.2 and he was connected by the time he removed the install media during the end of install restart and spent the next 20 minutes making the desktop *purty* instead of fiddling with a stubborn OS that makes too many assumptions. Score: Windows XP 0, Mandrake 1 Next we get to his ASUS V8200T5 PURE GEFORCE3 TI500 AGP W/64MB DDR MEMORY It should have maybe installed automatically maybe? Something about certified drivers etc. Wrong answer. The drivers weren't installed, it was an unknown device, the display sucked, and the operating system didn't want to find the drivers on the install disk even when this was specifically requested. Windows has determined that the best drivers for the device are already installed. I managed to make it use the correct ones and then updated them, but almost every time he reboots the system he has to go through this agony again. Mandrake configured X during install, set the display the way it was requested to be, and never
[newbie] looking for mandrake PPC help for UMAX s900
-- having a hell of a time getting mandrake installed on my machine and was wondering if there was anyone who had installed on an s900 or if there was a better list for this kind of support. Thanx in advance S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP suggestion
Hi, I may be wrong about this... but I beleive that it depends on whether the XP is on NTFS or not. My friend installed Linux with XP on fat32 without any special precautions (like not installing lilo on MBR) and he didn't have any problems. I did the same thing with XP on NTFS and ended up loosing my windows. I then had to load lilo from XP bootloader (After reinstalling XP ofcourse). Please correct me if I am wrong. Anand On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bryan Tyson wrote: On Tuesday 30 July 2002 09:06 am, Scott wrote: I'm still confused on the same point: Some people talk about copying the boot record (the first 512 bytes from the linux partition) and copying it to the windows partition. Other people seem to be saying that linux will sort out the booting and never mention copying the boot record or editing bootlaoder config files. Which is right? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bookmarks from KDE2 to KDE3
On Wednesday 31 Jul 2002 10:06 pm, Miark wrote: How does one get KDE2 bookmarks to show up in the KDE 3.0.2 that was recently released? Miark Copy them from ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml to ~/.kde3/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml Similarly for any other configuration data you want to import into kde3 derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 3Com USR Modem Installation
i saw that phanton account. on a previous install of 8.2, i did the initial wizard at first login (after the install). i had the same problem, could not delete the account. i needed to do a reinstall (other problems) and skipped the initial wizard and setup the accounts manually in kmail and have not seen the phantom account since. BTW, i also had the phantom account in KNode. On Tuesday 16 July 2002 05:15 pm, Joe Harkins wrote: At 10:05 PM 7/16/2002 +0100, you wrote: Well not every seems to get that phantom account. I did not. To get rid of it do this. Thanks. I'm on my way out the door to a meeting but will try this when i return. Regards, joe -- my windows broke. so i replaced it with Linux. i once was blind, now i see the light! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie]
Hi Yall Im trying to install Mandrake 8.2 on a test box I have put together. However the install program hangs with Kernel Panic: VFS Unable to mount root on 01:03. Whilst booting the install linux kernel. This occurred when the disk was un-partitioned, and still occurs when after I successfully installed RedHat 7.1 It also occurs under text install mode and any other option I care to pass the install prog. The box spec: PC Chips M810LR (SIS 730 chipset) 256MB ram Duron 1333 Maxtor 40GB drive PS2 K/B and Mouse I have tried turning off PNP bios settings but to no affect. If anyone can shed any light on this that would be great. Cheers J Howard Howard Stredwick PHP, ASP, JSP Web Developer http://www.howardstredwick.com
[newbie]
Hi Yall Im trying to install Mandrake 8.2 on a test box I have put together. However the install program hangs with Kernel Panic: VFS Unable to mount root on 01:03. Whilst booting the install linux kernel. This occurred when the disk was un-partitioned, and still occurs when after I successfully installed RedHat 7.1 It also occurs under text install mode and any other option I care to pass the install prog. The box spec: PC Chips M810LR (SIS 730 chipset) 256MB ram Duron 1333 Maxtor 40GB drive PS2 K/B and Mouse I have tried turning off PNP bios settings but to no affect. If anyone can shed any light on this that would be great. Cheers J Howard Howard Stredwick PHP, ASP, JSP Web Developer http://www.howardstredwick.com
Re: [newbie] Civilme petition - PETITION???. now OT-flamen John Rigby
but John do you, or do you not, like Bagpipes? let's get down to brass tacks On Tuesday 30 July 2002 10:48 pm, you wrote: At 11:14 AM 31/07/02, you did spake with authority John Rigby wrote: Linux is still a ^%$#$%^*^^ of a product to install and setup in a business-workable format. -- John, I am tired of hearing you say this. I have no idea of what problems you have (please don't bother telling me). I have a dual boot machine with Mandrake 8.2 and (sort of) Win 98. Mandrake installed without a wrinkle and has remained stable. Win 98 was a struggle to get video and modem (external) to work. Furthermore when that decorated soldier - Gen Fault - salutes the reboot loses the video driver and it is another fight to get it setup properly. I *KNOW* what that is - not a big problem under windoze any novice help list will show you how :_) Look, frankly who cares what *you* think? This was part of a serious offer to help a young fellow in a difficult circumstance and you whine about something nonsensical ! All I can say is: READ *THIS* LIST! The complaints by volume and extent here are ferocious, considering most people here fancy themselves as at least partial geeks - they LIKE playing with things. I can't even understand the questions! :-) There is no point in continually shooting at the messenger! LINUX *IS* a ^*%$$%^ to set up. READ THIS VERY LIST - and it is only *one* of dozens. Even *you* are still running W98!!! As for not seeing both sides - I even once used an Apple! No, the big money in Linux is in finding the RARE, rare person who is a geek and can get it all to go - not in MONTHS but a day. I have never, ever met one myself, but I live in the sunshine If I could have found one hirable person who could demonstrate that they could get Linux to run in a business situation easily - NOTE: real world business situation - I would have started a Computer business again this year - even here in paradise, there is a lot of easy(?) money to be made. The catch was, the only two competent people I eventually found were already self-employed and making a motza - often by throwing out MS$ systems and setting up hybrids - O.S. Linux and decent (and familiar) programs running under Win4lin or whatsitsname. I have recently installed test runs of Linux distros that DO work, several times, but the problems with useful programs/utilities show it to be long way off everyday user value to do it without expert assistance, yet. Again, people, I am not anti-anything except bigots and fanatics. I think Linux is the only hope of stopping Big Bill's juggernaut. Well, slowing it a little, anyway. :-) But, the current hope is certainly not the Mandrake approach. I'm not even sure if anyone else will now be able to catch the Lindows rabbit. Boy! Those people know how to market! Boy! They listened to what the market wants/needs! Did EXACTLY what I've been saying here and elsewhere for years.. Again, please stop shooting at the messenger - learn to look at things in an adult way. Don't be afraid of new/different information. THAT is how we all learn. Those that do advance, anyway. PEACE! John Rigby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot M8.2 and XP suggestion
On Wednesday 31 July 2002 13:06, Anand wrote: I may be wrong about this... but I beleive that it depends on whether the XP is on NTFS or not. My friend installed Linux with XP on fat32 without any special precautions (like not installing lilo on MBR) and he didn't have any problems. I did the same thing with XP on NTFS and ended up loosing my windows. Well, you might be right, I don't know, simply because I have not tried it. I can tell you I have done two machines dual booting XP with NTFS and Linux (1 machine Mandrake, 1 machine SuSE), and it works fine if you install XP first, keep your Linux on hdb, and put lilo in the mbr. *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.3 Professional KDE 2.2.1 KMail 1.3.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CivilEme petition.
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:41, civileme wrote: frankie wrote: anyone fancy starting a Save Civilme petition snip Don't do that. That post to the list was inadvertant. I meant it as a private reply on 9.0 I was on this list and on the expert list with more than 1000 posts before I was ever a mandrakesoft employee, and I have no plans to leave or diminish my activities. Civileme Hello, Well, I'm sure 90% of us will sign a petition anyway :-)! As everyone else mentioned, you're a great asset to Mandrake and all it's users. And so we should help you back, right? Interesting how the 40+ replies there have been have all misspelt his name! Regards, _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CivilEme petition.
Hello, Well, I'm sure 90% of us will sign a petition anyway :-)! As everyone else mentioned, you're a great asset to Mandrake and all it's users. And so we should help you back, right? No, not right. Absolutely nothing can come of a petition, so crafting one would do nothing but pit us against Mandrakesoft for absolutely no reason. Why do that? Mandrakesoft is on our side. If you want to help Civileme, do something that will help him in whatever he does next, like offering to write a letter of reference or something. (?) Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CivilEme petition.
Hello, Well, I'm sure 90% of us will sign a petition anyway :-)! As everyone else mentioned, you're a great asset to Mandrake and all it's users. And so we should help you back, right? I have only caught some of this thread, and it disturbs me deeply. Did I miss it or has no-one thought to as civilme what _he_ would like us to do ?. Possibly that would be a good starting point .. Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CivilEme petition.
Did I miss it or has no-one thought to ask civilme what _he_ would like us to do? We did. He doesn't want us to do anything. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CivilEme petition.
7/31/02 8:36:26 PM, Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Well, I'm sure 90% of us will sign a petition anyway :-)! As everyone else mentioned, you're a great asset to Mandrake and all it's users. And so we should help you back, right? No, not right. Absolutely nothing can come of a petition, so crafting one would do nothing but pit us against Mandrakesoft for absolutely no reason. Why do that? Mandrakesoft is on our side. If you want to help Civileme, do something that will help him in whatever he does next, like offering to write a letter of reference or something. (?) Miark I fore one would do that in a heartbeat and it would be full of glowing recomendations to say the least. Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CivilEme petition.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 July 2002 5:45 pm, _nast-mdk81 did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Interesting how the 40+ replies there have been have all misspelt his name! bad speelers of the word untie! - -- warning: this sig file has been found to be un-PC by the list nazis. it may contain ideas that are hazardous to your preconcieved notions. this sig file is intended for use under adult supervision. do not read while operating Windows. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9SKh+Bwq+ZwvIN/oRAql7AJ0UWAd0Fe29gpukXNsJaCTUpa7U3wCeKOX9 o3wb+GvlH6cwCvnhzoiJyi0= =sOqr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CivilEme petition.
On Wednesday 31 July 2002 09:07 pm, you wrote: Did I miss it or has no-one thought to ask civilme what _he_ would like us to do? We did. He doesn't want us to do anything. Miark So that is what we should do, nothing. Civileme is in the position to know what is best for him. He has all the details and the whycomes, so if he wishes us to do nothing we should honor him and his request. IMHO. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Is there anybody out there.... internet sharing question
I just want to no how to enable a port threw mandrake internet sharing? the port is 3602. please let me know Best regards Mike Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Kpanel doesn't reload
I can't figure this out. I'm using 8.2. I have lost my Kpanel when seting up at least 2 different users. It's there when I shut down but it's not there when I reboot. I do see the message saying Loading panel but it doesn't load. Anybody know why this happens? Is there a command I can enter at a shell to get the panel back? Maybe it's time to install a newer KDE. Thanks for any help you can give. Eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] No highlighting in Konsole
KDE 3.0.2's Konsole is is not letting me highlight whole words by double-clicking them. How do I fix that? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
