[newbie] evolution 1.0.8

2002-09-07 Thread Brian Parish

Does anyone have a list of rpms required to install this version from
cooker.  I have hit a brick wall with libpisock++.so.0 and
libreadline.so.4.3 needed by pilot-link-0.11.3-2mdk

When I look these up in rpmfind, it points to pilot-link as the source.
Going in circles here!

TIA
Brian




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Re: [newbie] How to verify installation CD-R integrity? 9.0 rc1Installation woes (Try #2)

2002-09-07 Thread John Richard Smith

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think the DVD drive did work to some degree.  The
question is why the machine wasn't able to get past
the progress bar, and why I'm getting the cdrom
decoding status message.

I just want to verify at this point that the CD-R is
not bad (I have burnt 3 versions of the same disk so
far, but you never know).  Can anyone point me to a
tool that will allow me to do that?  (I'm using
Roxio's Easy CD Creator, BTW.  If that makes any
difference.)

Mike K.

--- John Richard Smith
  



I suspect nothing  much wrong with your media.
I suspect hardware,not  faulty, but something about the hardware threw the installer. 
I would be causious about messages, they usually are generic, rather than specific.
I have used EZCD v5 for many years, ever since it came out
and if you have never had trouble with the writer before
I doubt it makes any difference.But if you want to try
a linux writer programme cdrecord can write an iso image to disc.eg
cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,1,0 -eject /sourcefile.iso
adapt yours to suit.
to find out what bus your writer is on do
cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22
Using libscg version 'schily-0.6'
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-ROM DVD-116 ' '1.22' Removable CD-ROM
0,1,0 1) 'MITSUMI ' 'CR-48X9TE   ' '1.0C' Removable CD-ROM
0,2,0 2) *
0,3,0 3) *
0,4,0 4) *
0,5,0 5) *
0,6,0 6) *
0,7,0 7) *
you can see mine is on 0,1,0


However I would  as I say suspect something about your hardware or how it is setup.
You might start by listing it again if you haven't already done so.


regards,
John
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Re: [newbie] evolution 1.0.8

2002-09-07 Thread Nelson Bartley

To be quite honest you WILL NOT be able to do a proper update of
evolution from cooker tree to an 8.2 box.

The reason I say this is that the 8.2 box was compiled w/ gcc 2.96.x and
thus through the last major set of releases you could update only a few
things to get some cooker functionality, however w/ cooker being
compiled w/ gcc 3.2 now I'm afraid that once you start updating rpms
you'll find that most system rpm's will have to be updated.

Just to make your life easier, use urpmi and add a cooker source. Try
updating evolution and look at how many packages you'll have to fix.

NB


On Sat, 2002-09-07 at 02:36, Brian Parish wrote:
 Does anyone have a list of rpms required to install this version from
 cooker.  I have hit a brick wall with libpisock++.so.0 and
 libreadline.so.4.3 needed by pilot-link-0.11.3-2mdk
 
 When I look these up in rpmfind, it points to pilot-link as the source.
 Going in circles here!
 
 TIA
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Re: [newbie] phpnuke.

2002-09-07 Thread Klemm


There is another weblog - postnuke
www.postnuke.com
that was formely based on phpnuke but is completely rewritten for now.
I have made some sites based on that and on my oppinion it works far better than 
phpnuke.
Not maybe for performance wise , but the way on customization and administration side 
7 times more advanced. lot of themes, lot of modules and so on.

There is also a big difference between phpnuke and postnuke

PHPNuke is open source but closed development with one man ruling it (FB), based on 
what he likes.

POSTNuke is open source and open development with more that 100 developers around.


Klemm




On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:22:25 +0800
Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just found something called livejournal,
 
 Its main site gets like 2 million hits a day.. and its written in perl.
 (mod_perl to be exact,)
 and its really really fast..
 
 has anyone had any experiance with that?
 
 
 rgds
 
 Frank
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 6 September 2002 6:38 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] phpnuke.
 
 
 I have two sites running phpnuke, and I have found it easy to set up and
 great.
 One of the sites is an earlier version adn I did modify it to make it more
 secure
 but am waiting for v6 before I update it. The other is running 5.3.1 but I
 hear
 that google does not seach it due to aq system change, and basically I need
 it to be indexed by google so unless somneone tells me that v6 can do that I
 will not be updating this.
 
 One of the best parts of PHP Nuke is that there is a massive community out
 there
 that always want to lend a hand.
 
 
 
 Hi guys,
 
 I have been asked to setup a dynamic web site with html admin capabilities.
 
 
 immediately phpnuke came to mind, is that the best choice?
 
 have any of you guys set it up? is it difficult?
 
 do you have any tips? anything I should watch out for?
 
 there have been many security reports on phpnuke in the past.. how safe is
 
 it now?
 (version 5.6 I think.)
 
 
 any tips would be most gratefully received.
 
 regards
 
 Frank
 
 
 
 
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Re: [newbie] gfx card driver question444

2002-09-07 Thread ed tharp

On Friday 06 September 2002 04:47 pm, you wrote:
 On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:34:37 +0100

 magnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I know this is a lot of questions to ask, but this has cost me hard
  cash and I dont feel I'm getting the performance out of this card.

 If you are using the Nvidia drivers you are getting all the performance
 available.
 You did not note which you are running but you will get your best
 performance at 16bps.

 Do not be concerned about the card not being recognized.
 The GeForce4 is to new and is not supported by the XFree data base
 or/and thus not by the nv driver which is used in 4.2.0.

 Were it not for the Nvidia drivers you would not be able to run X at
 all.


 Charles

not completely true, X will still run as framebuffer, and if you tell it how 
much memory the card has, it will runn even better (alltho still in frame 
buffer, with no 3d accel) with or with out nv driver. in fact th nv driver is 
worthless for a geforce4 IMHO. 
does he see the Nvidia spplash screen when X starts?

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 I/O, I/O,
 It's off to disk I go,
 A bit or byte to read or write,
 I/O, I/O, I/O...
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[newbie] Spam

2002-09-07 Thread John Richard Smith

Mark I am sending you this direct with a copy to newbie,as my newbie 
messages
on this subject do no seem to be getting through, and I wanted to thank you.
First let me correct myself , you are quite right both postfix and 
procmail are on
mandrake, I just didn't know that they were commandline programmes, not that
I have anything at all against that.

I've visited the websites and copied the text to text file on desktop 
and read most of it. As always there is too much to take in at once, but 
I'm sure I will get there.

As a start , and after looking at the spiel for both I decided to take a 
further look at postfix.I read the man pages on this .

I'm completely a newbie where bash scripts are concerned.So I thought I 
had better look at the file structure first.
cd /var/spool/postfix
# ls
active/  corrupt/  deferred/  incoming/  pid/  public/
bounce/  defer/flush/ maildrop/  private/  save
# ls active
0/  1/  2/  3/  4/  5/  6/  7/  8/  9/  A/  B/  C/  D/  E/  F/
# ls corrupt
# ls deferred
# ls incoming
0/  1/  2/  3/  4/  5/  6/  7/  8/  9/  A/  B/  C/  D/  E/  F/
# ls pid
inet.smtp  master.pid  unix.cleanup  unix.local  unix.rewrite
# ls public
pickup|  qmgr|  showq=
# ls bounce
# ls flush
# ls maildrop
# ls private
bounce=  cleanup=  defer=  flush=   lmtp=   rewrite=  tlsmgr|  virtual=
bsmtp=   cyrus=error=  ifmail=  local=  smtp= uucp=
# ls saved

 cd /etc/postfix
localhost postfix# ls
access  canonical postfix-script*  transport
access.db   canonical.db  prng_exchtransport.db
aliases main.cf   relocatedvirtual
aliases.db  master.cf relocated.db virtual.db

So I thought,
-
# cat postfix-script
#!/bin/sh

#++
# NAME
#   postfix-script 1
# SUMMARY
#   execute Postfix administrative commands
# SYNOPSIS
#   \fBpostfix-script\fR \fIcommand\fR
# DESCRIPTION
#   The \fBfBpostfix-script\fR script executes Postfix administrative
#   commands in an environtment that is set up by the \fBpostfix\fR(1)
#   command.
# SEE ALSO
#   master(8) Postfix master program
#   postfix(1) Postfix administrative interface
# LICENSE
# .ad
# .fi
#   The Secure Mailer license must be distributed with this software.
# AUTHOR(S)
#   Wietse Venema
#   IBM T.J. Watson Research
#   P.O. Box 704
#   Yorktown Heights, NY 10598, USA
#--

# Avoid POSIX death due to SIGHUP when some parent process exits.

trap '' 1

case $daemon_directory in
) echo This script must be run by the postfix command. 12
echo Do not run directly. 12
exit 1
esac

LOGGER=$command_directory/postlog -t postfix-script
INFO=$LOGGER -p info
WARN=$LOGGER -p warn
ERROR=$LOGGER -p error
FATAL=$LOGGER -p fatal
PANIC=$LOGGER -p panic

umask 022

#
# LINUX by default does not synchronously update directories -
# that's dangerous for mail.
#
if [ -f /usr/bin/chattr ]
then
CHATTR=/usr/bin/chattr +S
else
CHATTR=:
fi

#
# Can't do much without these in place.
#
cd $command_directory || {
$FATAL no Postfix command directory $command_directory!
exit 1
}
cd $daemon_directory || {
$FATAL no Postfix daemon directory $daemon_directory!
exit 1
}
test -f master || {
$FATAL no Postfix master program $daemon_directory/master!
exit 1
}
cd $config_directory || {
$FATAL no Postfix configuration directory $config_directory!
exit 1
}
cd $queue_directory || {
$FATAL no Postfix queue directory $queue_directory!
exit 1
}

#
# Parse JCL
#
case $1 in

start_msg)

echo Start postfix
;;

stop_msg)

echo Stop postfix
;;

start)

$daemon_directory/master -t 2/dev/null || {
$FATAL the Postfix mail system is already running
exit 1
}
$config_directory/postfix-script check || {
$FATAL Postfix integrity check failed!
exit 1
}
$INFO starting the Postfix mail system
$daemon_directory/master 
;;

drain)

$daemon_directory/master -t 2/dev/null  {
$FATAL the Postfix mail system is not running
exit 1
}
$INFO stopping the Postfix mail system
kill -9 `sed 1q pid/master.pid`
;;

stop)

$daemon_directory/master -t 2/dev/null  {
$FATAL the Postfix mail system is not running
exit 1
}
$INFO stopping the Postfix mail system
kill `sed 1q pid/master.pid`
;;

abort)

$daemon_directory/master -t 2/dev/null  {
$FATAL the Postfix mail system is not running
exit 1
}
$INFO aborting the Postfix mail system
kill `sed 1q pid/master.pid`
;;

reload)

$daemon_directory/master -t 2/dev/null  {
$FATAL the Postfix mail system is not 

Re: [newbie]WalMart Box - was ISA Ethernet Card

2002-09-07 Thread Peregrinf

On 6 Sep 2002, at 20:21, ed tharp wrote:

 surely you have had a chance to see the gimp? what part of paintshop pro
 did you like? have you tried evolution for the mail? 

See my other replay with regard to Gimp. 

No, I haven't tried evolution for mail yet. 

Please note, while PSP and Pegasus are Windoze apps they are NOT 
out of Redmond, whose stuff I do not wish to associate with ever 
again. I just want to see the best features of non-Msft Windoze apps 
available for Linux, preferably as ports, otherwise under emulation. . 

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Re: [newbie]WalMart Box - was ISA Ethernet Card

2002-09-07 Thread Peregrinf

On 6 Sep 2002, at 18:28, Bryan Tyson wrote:

 KMail and Gimp!

I've tried both, Gimp more briefly than KMail. My verdicts:

KMail: Very good, faster than Pegasus on downloading mail. I'm not 
wild about the display -- I like Pegasus's windowing better than the 
frame-like interface of KMail. Pegasus offers a dialogue box when I 
reply that lets me easily pick which address or addresses the 
response goes to (from, reply to, cc, sender and from). I use that 
often. I can probably get used to KMail, but would miss that feature in 
Pegasus, and possibly some others I've grown used to. 

Gimp is a very powerful tool for editing images. But PaintShop Pro 
offers a better image handling capability where you can browse a 
directory, which produces a set of thumbnails that can then be sorted, 
copied, moved, deleted easily. It offers a number of easy to use tools 
for changing brightness and contrast, resizing, cropping, sharpening 
and blurring, solarization, posterizing, increasing or decreasing color 
depth, etc. I mainly use the browse feature for sorting and moving 
images. It also saves to a huge number of formats, offers a text tool, 
etc., along with the usual brushes and air brush tools, etc. 

As I say, I haven't used Gimp much yet, but unless it offers a browse 
that gives me a catalogue of thumbnails in a directory for me to 
choose from, sort, move, delete, etc., it won't be of much use to me. 

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Re: [newbie] Kernel of MDK 9 compiled for i686

2002-09-07 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Friday September 6 2002 06:19 pm, Olaf Marzocchi wrote:
 Is there a kernel compiled for i686 in the MDK9?

   No, but it's very easy to compile one.  Just edit the section of 
/usr/src/linux/.config and comment out the arch you don't want (eg, 586) 
and enable the one you do (eg, k7).
# Processor type and features
#
# CONFIG_M386 is not set
# CONFIG_M486 is not set
# CONFIG_M586 is not set( --Mandrake default)
# CONFIG_M586TSC is not set
# CONFIG_M586MMX is not set
# CONFIG_M686 is not set(--- i686)
# CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 is not set
# CONFIG_MK6 is not set
CONFIG_MK7=y(-- Athlon, XP)
# CONFIG_MELAN is not set
# CONFIG_MCRUSOE is not set



 I heard that RH includes 3 kernel compiles in his distro: i486
 (useless for MDK), i686 and athlon.

 If they do it's cause it is needed for Red Hat.  The biggest 
performance gain comes between i486 and i586, and Mandrake is already 
i586 or better.

 I think a good idea would be to ship 3 kernels and let only the
 expert user choose (during install): i586, i686, athlon.
 The first is useful for old machines, the others are useful with
 newer machines.

 Olaf

 I don't think it's such a good idea Olaf. It would require another 
11 or 12 mb's of CD space for each kernel, and installation CD space is 
already tight.  Most 'expert users' know how to compile for their arch. 
There's little or nothing to be gained, even compiling for Athlon. Many 
have reported that compiling for i686 actually produces less 
performance.  It would put unneeded, unwarranted support obligations on 
the Mandrake developers. EG, I've read some reports that compiling with 
MPENTIUM4 support for P4 cpu's can cause problems, with no performance 
enhancement. So, if true, this could cause support nightmares, for no 
good reason.

That said, I'm d/ling kernel-source-2.4.19-9mdk as I type and I'll 
shortly compile it for k7. (Can't even take my own advice ;)   For 
those that mentioned it in other threads, the changelog says VIA C3 is 
now supported as i586.
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Re: [newbie] Kernel of MDK 9 compiled for i686

2002-09-07 Thread Olaf Marzocchi

At 15.49 07/09/2002, you wrote:
On Friday September 6 2002 06:19 pm, Olaf Marzocchi wrote:
  Is there a kernel compiled for i686 in the MDK9?

No, but it's very easy to compile one.  Just edit the section of
/usr/src/linux/.config and comment out the arch you don't want (eg, 586)
and enable the one you do (eg, k7).

I suggested it to speed up things, in fact I know how to compile for 
different archs.

 
  I heard that RH includes 3 kernel compiles in his distro: i486
  (useless for MDK), i686 and athlon.

  If they do it's cause it is needed for Red Hat.  The biggest
performance gain comes between i486 and i586, and Mandrake is already
i586 or better.

Good to know.

That said, I'm d/ling kernel-source-2.4.19-9mdk as I type and I'll
shortly compile it for k7. (Can't even take my own advice ;)

:-))

Olaf


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[newbie] kernel packages

2002-09-07 Thread UrLoverGuy13
So i finally download 8.2 again right? Burned it at 4x. Now mostly everything went fine...X configured great and it asked me if i wanted to automatically startX on boot. But one of the packages didnt install.. Obviously with my bad luck it was a kernel package... now linx wont start up due to a kernel panic... This is ridiculous. Is there a way that i could just install the kernel packages instead of having to download the whole thing again?


[newbie] avi.

2002-09-07 Thread Anthony V
 
 Anthony VDo You Yahoo!?
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[newbie] avi.

2002-09-07 Thread Anthony V
Hello everyone im having trouble playing a Avi. movie within my Mandrake linux can anyone suggest a good program that plays themAnthony VDo You Yahoo!?
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[newbie] Kernel packages

2002-09-07 Thread UrLoverGuy13
So i finally download 8.2 again right? Burned it at 4x. Now mostly everything went fine...X configured great and it asked me if i wanted to automatically startX on boot. But one of the packages didnt install.. Obviously with my bad luck it was a kernel package... now linx wont start up due to a kernel panic... This is ridiculous. Is there a way that i could just install the kernel packages instead of having to download the whole thing again?

I think the first one i sent never made it to the board


RE: [newbie] Kernel of MDK 9 compiled for i686

2002-09-07 Thread Franki

I agree strongly,

particularly for the AMD kernel... someone should do some real testing with
the latest GCC and create a real AMD optimised kernel... since I use amd's
whenever the chance allows me.


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Olaf Marzocchi
Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2002 7:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Kernel of MDK 9 compiled for i686


Is there a kernel compiled for i686 in the MDK9?

I heard that RH includes 3 kernel compiles in his distro: i486 (useless for
MDK), i686 and athlon.

I think a good idea would be to ship 3 kernels and let only the expert user
choose (during install): i586, i686, athlon.
The first is useful for old machines, the others are useful with newer
machines.

Olaf


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Re: [newbie] avi.

2002-09-07 Thread Miark

mplayer


 Hello everyone im having trouble playing a Avi. movie 
 within my Mandrake linux can anyone suggest a good program 
 that plays them.



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Re: [newbie]WalMart Box - was ISA Ethernet Card

2002-09-07 Thread Miark

 Gimp is a very powerful tool for editing images. But PaintShop Pro 
 offers a better image handling capability where you can browse a 
 directory, which produces a set of thumbnails that can then be sorted, 
 copied, moved, deleted easily. 

There are at least a few really good apps that you could use to 
compliment Gimp for this specific purpose. GQview, for instance, will
give you a thumbnail of pics in a directory, and you can detach (float)
the directory pane from the view pane for exclusive use with Gimp.
Yeh, and thou canst perform file operations on the thumbnails, too.

More than one way to skin a cat.

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Re: [newbie]WalMart Box - was ISA Ethernet Card

2002-09-07 Thread John Richard Smith

Peregrinf wrote:

On 6 Sep 2002, at 18:28, Bryan Tyson wrote:

  

KMail and Gimp!



I've tried both, Gimp more briefly than KMail. 

Gimp is a very powerful tool for editing images. But PaintShop Pro 
offers a better image handling capability where you can browse a 
directory, which produces a set of thumbnails that can then be sorted, 
copied, moved, deleted easily. It offers a number of easy to use tools 
for changing brightness and contrast, resizing, cropping, sharpening 
and blurring, solarization, posterizing, increasing or decreasing color 
depth, etc. I mainly use the browse feature for sorting and moving 
images. It also saves to a huge number of formats, offers a text tool, 
etc., along with the usual brushes and air brush tools, etc. 

As I say, I haven't used Gimp much yet, but unless it offers a browse 
that gives me a catalogue of thumbnails in a directory for me to 
choose from, sort, move, delete, etc., it won't be of much use to me. 

Dennis Fowler
  

Gimp does all of those things and more, except give you a thumbnail view
of all your images in one directory, but programmes like gview and gqview
will do these tasks for you, so run them side by side, do all the 
manipulation you
like with gimp and pop the finshed file back in gview or whatever. You 
can do
montage creations with montage .

The level of intergation is perhaps not as good as PaintShop Pro, at least
that is what my adult chidren tell me who have learnt PaintShop Pro at
school and uni but it doesn't really matter.Why not take one kde desktop
and put up all the picture manipulation apps you need to accomplish
the tasks you have in mind to work on, then do whatever you want ,
and if in the meantime you feel the need to switch back to another task
you can flick over to another desktop where something else is running,
like writing a disk or something.

Gimp is a funny looking programme, the 4 little windows that pop up
on first configuration , suggest very little of it's capabilities, and I 
suppose
if I'm honest the start menu layout could be more ergonomic , but it can
do a lot of interesting picture manipulation. I would unresevedly advise
you to explore it. I have only just started to do things with it but it's
very capable.

John

 



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[newbie] New video card for a linux box

2002-09-07 Thread Olaf Marzocchi

I'm reposting the message because it coulb have been lost:

Hi,

As you can see in the signature, now I use a Cirrus Logic video card on 
PCI bus, but it has only 4 MB of video memory so I'd like to change it.

I can choose a card between Creative Banshee (8 MB, I don't remember 
exactly) or ATI Rage 128 (same memory of the Banshee). I have only one PCI 
slot so I can choose only one of them.

In my PC (below) I use only linux (now 8.2, 9.0 soon). Which one do you 
suggest me to take? I don't play many games, mostly RPG (snes) or arcade.

My idea is to take the banshee: it supports glide, so I wil be able to use 
a N64 emulator even with my slow pc (there is a win emulator that can run 
with a 233 and a glide video card).

You are the gurus, I'll wait your response.

Olaf



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Re: [newbie] Menu at the top of the screen

2002-09-07 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

The panel is part of GNOME, not the WM. A Menu Panel can be created via the menu
that pops up when you right-click a blank area of a panel. This works in both
GNOME 1 and GNOME 2.

On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 16:39:02 +0200, Olaf Marzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'd like to have menus placed at the top of the screen (like MAc OS) to 
 save space and for personal taste.
 Is it possible with Gnome? I remember I saw it some months ago, but I don't 
 remember where and how to set up the WM.

-- 
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You agree that in order to protect the integrity of content and software
protected by digital rights management ('Secure Content'), Microsoft may provide
security related updates to the OS Components that will be automatically
downloaded onto your computer. These security related updates may disable your
ability to copy and/or play Secure Content and use other software on your
computer. -- MS Windows Media Player EULA, 2002



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[newbie] software manager problem

2002-09-07 Thread Scott

I just set up the software manager to get security updates so it would't ask 
me if I want to do it every time I started it up.  Now I can't install any 
software.  That is, for every package that there is now a choice of intalling 
from the ftp site or from the cd, neither one will install install.  I can 
only install packages that are not available from the ftp site.
What gives?

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Re: [newbie]WalMart Box - was ISA Ethernet Card

2002-09-07 Thread John Richard Smith

Erylon Hines wrote:

On Saturday 07 September 2002 06:36 am, you wrote:
  

On 6 Sep 2002, at 18:28, Bryan Tyson wrote:


KMail and Gimp!
  

I've tried both, Gimp more briefly than KMail. My verdicts:


Gimp is a very powerful tool for editing images. But PaintShop Pro
offers a better image handling capability where you can browse a
directory, which produces a set of thumbnails that can then be sorted,
copied, moved, deleted easily. It offers a number of easy to use tools
for changing brightness and contrast, resizing, cropping, sharpening
and blurring, solarization, posterizing, increasing or decreasing color
depth, etc. I mainly use the browse feature for sorting and moving
images. It also saves to a huge number of formats, offers a text tool,
etc., along with the usual brushes and air brush tools, etc.

As I say, I haven't used Gimp much yet, but unless it offers a browse
that gives me a catalogue of thumbnails in a directory for me to
choose from, sort, move, delete, etc., it won't be of much use to me.

Dennis Fowler



Compupic does everything but offer the airbrushes.  Nice program for 
resizing, cropping, posterizing, etc.  Thumbnails, too.  Free for home use.

http://www.photodex.com/downloads/platforms/linux.html

The rpm that is offered installed fine on my 8.2 machines.
  

yes very nice , thanks , still need  montage  though.

John

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