Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 03 Jan 2005 05:29, deedee E wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:43:43 +, Anne Wilson wrote: I hope they don't do this -- at least not using VBS. If they can convert the VBS to something else, that might work. MS groupies make a big deal out of the fact that OOo doesn't handle VBS, but most people point out that they consider the lack of VBS a feature of OOo rather than a liability and have VBS turned off on their Windows systems for security reasons. These days VBS is about the only reason anyone can give for keeping MSWord. OOo Writer does everything else MSWord does and then some. Just curious - I used to import Word documents in to Lotus WordPro. Formatting and everything was fine unless someone had embedded a 'drawing'. That was diabolical. Do 'drawings' import OK in OOo? Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2Q2QkFAvMr/nNX8RAtdCAJ9waykIec/5fb8gEED4kTtkio93NgCfT+Fq vPUIQQlxgLgkeMMFuQNs9SA= =Qooi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 03 Jan 2005 00:31, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 02 January 2005 03:43 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Only a matter of time, Dark Lord. Mothers-in-law are big on practicalities ;-) Anne Hmm. Practicalities...like domesticating son-in-laws? big grin No - practicalities like not trying the impossible ebg Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2Q21kFAvMr/nNX8RAnZ+AJ95OKiOQSUFBNdn5kh4f8nRSxt2jwCeIj2f /vZq9d/2VCRH+XduB6vcTRA= =yOed -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:17:04 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 03 Jan 2005 05:29, deedee E wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:43:43 +, Anne Wilson wrote: Windows systems for security reasons. These days VBS is about the only reason anyone can give for keeping MSWord. OOo Writer does everything else MSWord does and then some. Just curious - I used to import Word documents in to Lotus WordPro. Formatting and everything was fine unless someone had embedded a 'drawing'. That was diabolical. Do 'drawings' import OK in OOo? This is still a problem -- but the problem is in the Word document. AFAIK, nothing can get around it, not even Word itself. If an embedded graphic takes a full page, then things seem to go correctly. However, if the embedded graphic is inline, even anchored, Word may move it around. All one has to do is open the Word document (using Word on the machine the document was created on (!!!)) and make a change (almost any change can have an effect, e.g., deleting a word is enough). Then, scroll through. Frequently you will see that graphics have changed their position (and that can affect pagination and so on). Also, Word almost never embeds a graphic, but links to it. So when exchanging Word documents, it is important that you get it with the graphics embedded. A linked graphic is not really in the document, but is calling or linking to another file on the system. As soon as you try to change the Word document, the graphic can disappear altogether if you don't also have the file that the graphic is linked to. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
deedee E wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:17:04 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 03 Jan 2005 05:29, deedee E wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:43:43 +, Anne Wilson wrote: Windows systems for security reasons. These days VBS is about the only reason anyone can give for keeping MSWord. OOo Writer does everything else MSWord does and then some. Just curious - I used to import Word documents in to Lotus WordPro. Formatting and everything was fine unless someone had embedded a 'drawing'. That was diabolical. Do 'drawings' import OK in OOo? This is still a problem -- but the problem is in the Word document. AFAIK, nothing can get around it, not even Word itself. If an embedded graphic takes a full page, then things seem to go correctly. However, if the embedded graphic is inline, even anchored, Word may move it around. All one has to do is open the Word document (using Word on the machine the document was created on (!!!)) and make a change (almost any change can have an effect, e.g., deleting a word is enough). Then, scroll through. Frequently you will see that graphics have changed their position (and that can affect pagination and so on). Also, Word almost never embeds a graphic, but links to it. So when exchanging Word documents, it is important that you get it with the graphics embedded. A linked graphic is not really in the document, but is calling or linking to another file on the system. As soon as you try to change the Word document, the graphic can disappear altogether if you don't also have the file that the graphic is linked to. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php I discovered this 'moving around' also when putting together 'bunny' manuals for work. Linux at home, M$ at work. If the formatting of the document you wish to produce will allow it then make the document using Calc/excel, include the drawings, pictures, screen shots, etc, within the same directory for convenience, and you will find heaps less movement . A little more fiddling with having to merge cells, etc, but you will be able to find your drawings at least close by, most times - right where they should be. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 27 Dec 2004 07:22, deedee E wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Last year my son-in-law went to a Sun conference where they were demonstrating their newly-announced Java Desktop system. At that conference it was said that the OOo developers were close to being able to run the VBS scripts within documents. When my sin-in-law asked if that would not also mean opening it to all the accompanying vulnerabilities there was a stunned silence. Apparently no-one had thought of that. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB1/qPkFAvMr/nNX8RAngwAJ9bDvUHG5x8I+rbUE+tiSFnkR9QpgCeKId6 v6NGmTP6r5fZUnrC8IvQqHg= =3vrw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 2 January 2005 14:43, Anne Wilson wrote: When my sin-in-law Anne I hope this was a freudian mother in laws slip! :-) Martin a son in law himself -- the riddle which man must solve, he can only solve in being, in being what he is and not something else http://auskadi.tk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 08:43 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 27 Dec 2004 07:22, deedee E wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Last year my son-in-law went to a Sun conference where they were demonstrating their newly-announced Java Desktop system. At that conference it was said that the OOo developers were close to being able to run the VBS scripts within documents. When my sin-in-law asked if that would not also mean opening it to all the accompanying vulnerabilities there was a stunned silence. Apparently no-one had thought of that. Anne I wish my mother in law used linux :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 13:45, Martin Hardie wrote: On Sunday 2 January 2005 14:43, Anne Wilson wrote: When my sin-in-law Anne I hope this was a freudian mother in laws slip! :-) Oops... - well. Martin a son in law himself Actually, we get on pretty well most of the time, and I keep out of the way on those 'other' days ;-) Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2AzAkFAvMr/nNX8RAn9IAJ0fsNdRG2eSgodqBxaFWOgRTaOhoACgkZGM v7YtqiDQ/Pz72D5Rq9ccRoY= =vG98 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 18:47, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) Can't you find the one thing that she would *really* love to have, then let her 'accidentally' see it? A little gentle deceit is not really harmful. ;-) Just be sure that you know how to give her everything she normally uses in a very familiar way, and tell her she will always be able to get her windows back, because it will be dual-boot. For most people, that means OpenOffice and Mozilla/variants, with Evo if they are used to Outlook. My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2A4VkFAvMr/nNX8RAnm0AKCGu9NgURgy9PR3JSxFn1DAgn9PmACghfP7 5FwCnajn3dIDhQsgg+Ik+1M= =IUMi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 07:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 18:47, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) Can't you find the one thing that she would *really* love to have, then let her 'accidentally' see it? A little gentle deceit is not really harmful. ;-) Just be sure that you know how to give her everything she normally uses in a very familiar way, and tell her she will always be able to get her windows back, because it will be dual-boot. For most people, that means OpenOffice and Mozilla/variants, with Evo if they are used to Outlook. My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne That's the way it worked with my Uncle since he likes Bluegrass music Streamtuner/streamripper was the killer app Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: snip My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne: A long time ago, there was a thread on this list started by a woman -- I think it was you -- who desperately needed a Linux version of Hearts for her husband. If it was you, were you successful? (IMHO, the MS version of Hearts was the best Windows program ever written.) -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 16:11, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Sunday 02 January 2005 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: snip My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne: A long time ago, there was a thread on this list started by a woman -- I think it was you -- who desperately needed a Linux version of Hearts for her husband. If it was you, were you successful? (IMHO, the MS version of Hearts was the best Windows program ever written.) -- cmg Not guilty, m'lord - at least not this time ;-) He plays Yukon, out of the kde patience set, and I play Spider from the same set. Just the thing for over lunchtime. There's an awesome set of games there, though Hearts was never my 'thing' I don't know whether there's a replacement, but between this set and a similar one offered by the Gnome community I'd be very surprised if there wasn't. Frozen bubbles is out for lunchtime: it's too addictive - once you start you get no more work done. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2CbGkFAvMr/nNX8RAmQrAKCfBrwrtTMT8kNktZJDYduMqy9O3wCfRZan CmWxFXA0h2P+8Ganz88ra9k= =XlY6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 18:47, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) Can't you find the one thing that she would *really* love to have, then let her 'accidentally' see it? A little gentle deceit is not really harmful. ;-) Just be sure that you know how to give her everything she normally uses in a very familiar way, and tell her she will always be able to get her windows back, because it will be dual-boot. For most people, that means OpenOffice and Mozilla/variants, with Evo if they are used to Outlook. My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne Thanks Anne, I actually put mandrake 9.2 on their pc when it came out but I didnt really take a 'holistic' approach to it as I was a newbie myself. She had never used a computer in her life so the dual boot thing was too confusing for her - she she couldnt understand what an operating system was, let alone why she needed two. She was also taking classes which focused on ms software. At that stage in her learning even openoffice wasnt familiar enogh for her. She had to follow pictures in the manual showing the ms office menus. Mounting of floppy disks was also a serious setback. It might have been fixable but floppies had to be mounted from the console. Also the kids had lots of pc games. I hadnt heard of crossover at the time. So they ended up ignoring linux. And constantly booting into windows. But you are right, it is easy to make a user of another OS comfortable in linux, when you know what you're doing. Pairing that with remote administration would be perfect I think, which is the next thing I'd like to get into. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 01:47 pm, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) I wish *all* mother-in-laws used Linux. Wouldn't that be a force to reckon with! :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 20:11, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 02 January 2005 01:47 pm, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) I wish *all* mother-in-laws used Linux. Wouldn't that be a force to reckon with! :-) Only a matter of time, Dark Lord. Mothers-in-law a big on practicalities ;-) Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2F0FkFAvMr/nNX8RAqs5AJwJnt3gEEyYA0rZ4PTmuCuxcJEGigCeMZ0o QDtCqX6QeiHI00XwmmZWg3o= =aVno -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:07, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 18:47, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) Can't you find the one thing that she would *really* love to have, then let her 'accidentally' see it? A little gentle deceit is not really harmful. ;-) For most people, that means OpenOffice and Mozilla/variants, with Evo if they are used to Outlook. My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Yep, KDE Patience is exactly how I snared my sister :-) That and all the free educational software, her being a teacher. But I had to prepare the way by first having OOo and Mozilla on her new XP box, and not 'fixing' the things she found most annoying about XP :-) Then it was just a case of having her visit one day, having to pop out for half an hour, and leaving patience up on the screen :-) John. - Forget that new hard drive, save some lives instead, donate to the Red Cross: USA: https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp UK: https://www.donate.bt.com/bt_form_dec.htm Oz: https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineTsunamiDonations.asp NZ: https://www.banqonit.com/proxypage.aspx?boiid=205 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 03:43 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Only a matter of time, Dark Lord. Mothers-in-law are big on practicalities ;-) Anne Hmm. Practicalities...like domesticating son-in-laws? big grin -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:43:43 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 27 Dec 2004 07:22, deedee E wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Last year my son-in-law went to a Sun conference where they were demonstrating their newly-announced Java Desktop system. At that conference it was said that the OOo developers were close to being able to run the VBS scripts within documents. When my sin-in-law asked if that would not also mean opening it to all the accompanying vulnerabilities there was a stunned silence. Apparently no-one had thought of that. I hope they don't do this -- at least not using VBS. If they can convert the VBS to something else, that might work. MS groupies make a big deal out of the fact that OOo doesn't handle VBS, but most people point out that they consider the lack of VBS a feature of OOo rather than a liability and have VBS turned off on their Windows systems for security reasons. These days VBS is about the only reason anyone can give for keeping MSWord. OOo Writer does everything else MSWord does and then some. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
- Original Message - From: Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there? On Sunday 02 January 2005 03:43 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Only a matter of time, Dark Lord. Mothers-in-law are big on practicalities ;-) Anne Hmm. Practicalities...like domesticating son-in-laws? big grin -- /\ Dark Lord \/ What's domesticating'. Sounds like some sort of washing powder. N. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:04:23 +0100, Martin wrote: a first question on Wine - do i just install the windows programs i want into a folder in eg my home directory and then when starting wine in my shell point it there? If you're using the fake Windows installation, just install your applications in drive_c of your /home/user/.wine directory. Start wine with or without a terminal. If you want to see messages (while still getting wine configured and so forth), open a terminal and type wine at the prompt. The log of what's happening as wine start up and runs will show in the terminal window. Wine starts in its own separate window. You can set up a desktop icon to do this. You can also run wine from the launcher on the start menu by typing wine -- no separate terminal will open to show ongoing wine messages. Wine assumes it is in C: -- so you can usually start your program by typing [program_name].exe to start an application. Everything then should be exactly as it is under Windows. Once you're comfortable with how it works, you can create icons, links, and so forth to automate things and make it all appear more Windows-like. The only thing I would caution you about is in setting up your mime types -- don't allow Linux to automatically start an application using wine by clicking on a Windows executable. I like to use XWine (not the same thing as WineX which is the version of wine fully implementing DirectX for gaming). XWine came on my Mandrake CDs. It acts as a gui front-end to wine which helps with all aspects of installing and configuring both wine itself and Windows applications. I found it particularly useful in configuring each application as to which dlls had to be native or built-in. The configuration file it produced was quite informative. There has also recently been announced a new and improved Winetools for doing something similar. I've not tried it, so cannot really comment on how well it works. I have been confused about this simple little point to start with!! will most programs using windows code work or only those supported with a build of some type? I would like to run my Polar heart arte Monitor, my Printer (HP Laserjet 1000) and my digital camera with Wine if possible. Any equipment or peripheral should be installed in Linux and run from Linux. Windows apps running from wine will be able to find and use them. They should be identified in your wine configuration file. In particular, your printer (definitely) and your digital camera (likely) should be installed in Linux. I don't know if Linux will run your heart monitor. Since there are certain drivers and files connected with devices wine does not implement (and will not be implementing due to licensing issues), it is possible that wine will not run the heart monitor (actually it's likely that it will not). In general, devices must be run from Linux -- not wine. The Windows software for the devices can be run from wine (maybe -- depends on what dlls and so forth it needs), but not the devices themselves. If you need to run devices that Linux doesn't run, you should consider VMWare or Win4Lin. They install a virtual machine on your Linux machine and will run Windows. You need to already own a copy of Windows and install it in the virtual machine, and then install your device. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Deedee wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Sorry, what do you mean with VBS? Thanks, Rodolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
- Original Message - From: Rodolfo Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there? Deedee wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Sorry, what do you mean with VBS? Thanks, Rodolfo VBS = Visual Basic Scripting HTH Al Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:51:04 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 18:52, deedee E wrote: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? As on a Windows system, the virus must be executed. So if your system is set up to automatically run Wine when a Windows executable is clicked on, then it will execute the virus just as it would execute any Windows program. Wine has to be installed and running for this to happen. The greatest potential risk occurs if you are running Wine while also surfing the web, because some things don't require any additional user involvement than going to an infected web site. Simply having Wine available on your system is not a problem. I use XWine to run Windows applications and cannot start Wine by clicking on a link to a file. I do that deliberately to ensure that no one can run a Windows executable without going through a few hoops first. I never leave Wine just running, but then I use it for only a few Windows applications. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 27 Dec 2004 07:08, deedee E wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:51:04 +, Anne Wilson wrote: Simply having Wine available on your system is not a problem. I use XWine to run Windows applications and cannot start Wine by clicking on a link to a file. I do that deliberately to ensure that no one can run a Windows executable without going through a few hoops first. I never leave Wine just running, but then I use it for only a few Windows applications. That sounds fine to me, deedee. I don't often need it, either, but it would be very useful if I could get it going. I'm going to give it a try sometime soon. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBz8vckFAvMr/nNX8RAuWCAJ9wHdjJ+t2SjQR5LlqhfFo+JRlDeQCdF8ur VeYTTfAluxeCgpaUmiMbksU= =t2u7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:59:03 -0500, JoeHill wrote: IIANM, Windows malware (is there any other kind...?), even run under Wine, would have very little if no effect on a Linux system. Firstly, it's going to be looking for files/folders/directories that do not exist (c:Windows, System32, Documents and Settings, etc.). Second, it will attempt to run other common commands/executables or exploit services which would exist on a Win system but not on Linux, like, say...well, all of them ;-) Unfortunately, if you have Wine correctly installed, you do have those files and folders. Running as user, you can only mess up your user account. However, those people who inadvertently executed a Windows virus using Wine on their Linux systems had a major tedious cleanup to do. In the published cases, the person had their Wine set up to run whenever a Windows executable was clicked on. They clicked on an e-mail attachment without thinking (even after KMail gave the message that they were doing something dangerous). deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:31:53 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote: However, now I'm quite oriented to avoid Wine installation if possible, i.e. if OO Writer can really work fine onto .doc files, especially now that you pointed out the problem of viruses. And apart from that, I don't much like the idea of having an MSWindows-like system inside my Linux box! I'll be going on experimenting OO Writer, thanks indeed, I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
deedee E wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:31:53 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote: However, now I'm quite oriented to avoid Wine installation if possible, i.e. if OO Writer can really work fine onto .doc files, especially now that you pointed out the problem of viruses. And apart from that, I don't much like the idea of having an MSWindows-like system inside my Linux box! I'll be going on experimenting OO Writer, thanks indeed, I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php Just out of curiosity, how about attaching a sample .doc that is of concern to you and lets see if we strike any problems with OOo. -- Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 23:24, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Anne, It is mainly vulnerable when running windows programs. It should be possible to create something that runs under Linux that would target Wine, I don't see that happening. The problem is that when you are running Windows programs, you can also run things like VB scripts. But the damage is limmited to your user, and not the entire system, as it would be under Windows. One way to limit things would be to have a different user that you log in as to run Wine. If your normal user is a member of the Wine user's group, and you have a group writable directory, sharing data between the two is easy. You can access this as your normal user, but the Wine user can not access anything in your normal user's directory. Mikkel That sounds reasonable precautions. On a related issue, then, is it possible to force any file written to a specific directory to have the permissions related to that directory? IOW, could you designate one directory to be for the use of group 'wine', and any file written to that directory would automatically be written as belonging to group 'wine'? I don't want this to turn into a complete hijack, but security related to wine would, presumably, also be of interest to the original poster. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBzouOkFAvMr/nNX8RAteiAJ4sQ3IQV/abZ5xMRcSdabyfyreuQQCfYwOG R6JNZznQeUHMYv1dZUF9LLg= =Iuzf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 23:59, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:51:04 + Anne Wilson disseminated the following: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? IIANM, Windows malware (is there any other kind...?), even run under Wine, would have very little if no effect on a Linux system. Firstly, it's going to be looking for files/folders/directories that do not exist (c:\Windows, \System32, Documents and Settings, etc.). Second, it will attempt to run other common commands/executables or exploit services which would exist on a Win system but not on Linux, like, say...well, all of them ;-) To do anything at all in a windows program you have to allow things to run, so it seems likely that there is some vulnerability to anything that is within that windows environment. I agree that it may not be as easy as on a pure windows system, but I do feel that there is still a measure of risk, and I'm just trying to quantify it. The linux system, of course, would not be attacked. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBzoxNkFAvMr/nNX8RAodkAJ9F0g62l3aforfEucaiJXJZQMQ2nACfQSX3 OnF0jE+7uvOTjv39hqYjsrU= =197L -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
a first question on Wine - do i just install the windows programs i want into a folder in eg my home directory and then when starting wine in my shell point it there? I have been confused about this simple little point to start with!! will most programs using windows code work or only those supported with a build of some type? I would like to run my Polar heart arte Monitor, my Printer (HP Laserjet 1000) and my digital camera with Wine if possible. Zorionak eta urte berri on Martin On Sunday 26 December 2004 07:48, Noel McG. wrote: - Original Message - From: Rodolfo Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there? However, now I'm quite oriented to avoid Wine installation if possible, i.e. if OO Writer can really work fine onto .doc files, especially now that you pointed out the problem of viruses. And apart from that, I don't much like the idea of having an MSWindows-like system inside my Linux box! I'll be going on experimenting OO Writer, thanks indeed, Rodolfo Hello, If you have now 'gone off' Wine, have you thought of using Cross Over Office. A similar product, though you have to pay for it if I remember rightly. N --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com -- the riddle which man must solve, he can only solve in being, in being what he is and not something else http://auskadi.tk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 23:24, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Anne, It is mainly vulnerable when running windows programs. It should be possible to create something that runs under Linux that would target Wine, I don't see that happening. The problem is that when you are running Windows programs, you can also run things like VB scripts. But the damage is limmited to your user, and not the entire system, as it would be under Windows. One way to limit things would be to have a different user that you log in as to run Wine. If your normal user is a member of the Wine user's group, and you have a group writable directory, sharing data between the two is easy. You can access this as your normal user, but the Wine user can not access anything in your normal user's directory. Mikkel That sounds reasonable precautions. On a related issue, then, is it possible to force any file written to a specific directory to have the permissions related to that directory? IOW, could you designate one directory to be for the use of group 'wine', and any file written to that directory would automatically be written as belonging to group 'wine'? I don't want this to turn into a complete hijack, but security related to wine would, presumably, also be of interest to the original poster. Anne This is easy. Set the group ownership of the directory to wine, and set the SGID bit on the directory. I usualy do this in Midnight Commander (mc), and there is a check box for it. When used with programs, ir sets the group the program is running under tothe group of the program, but when you do it to a directory, it sets the group ownership of any file/directory created in the directory to the same group as the directory. (Like the SUID bit, but for group rather then owner.) The one thing to watch out for is that this doesn't change the permissions that the file is saved with, so the file may not be group writable. But you can always change the default for user wine in ~/.bashrc if you only want it for that user. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 23:59, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:51:04 + Anne Wilson disseminated the following: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? IIANM, Windows malware (is there any other kind...?), even run under Wine, would have very little if no effect on a Linux system. Firstly, it's going to be looking for files/folders/directories that do not exist (c:\Windows, \System32, Documents and Settings, etc.). Second, it will attempt to run other common commands/executables or exploit services which would exist on a Win system but not on Linux, like, say...well, all of them ;-) To do anything at all in a windows program you have to allow things to run, so it seems likely that there is some vulnerability to anything that is within that windows environment. I agree that it may not be as easy as on a pure windows system, but I do feel that there is still a measure of risk, and I'm just trying to quantify it. The linux system, of course, would not be attacked. Anne If you are going to run programs like Word, and have things like macros working, then Visual Basic has to work. Now, how many of the virus are written as VB scripts, and then inbedded in Word documents, or as e-mail attachments... One of the big problems with Outlook has been that it runs these by default. (I hear they fixed this, but I don't run Outlook...) Now, they can not do as much damage as they could on a pure Windows system, but they can still do damage. How much depends on how closly the Wine envirment looks like Windows to running programs, and what you have installed. But Wine has to look like Windows to programs running under it, or the programs will not run. So you have the normal Windows directories, most of the normal .dll files, etc. While the real directory tree is not the same, what programs see is. And programs still have to be able to write to this directory structure, or you can not install programs, or do work. So, the better job Wine does of emulating Windows, the more vunerable it is to a Windows virus. So you want to set things up to limit the damage that can be done. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 26 Dec 2004 16:27, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: This is easy. Set the group ownership of the directory to wine, and set the SGID bit on the directory. I usualy do this in Midnight Commander (mc), and there is a check box for it. When used with programs, ir sets the group the program is running under tothe group of the program, but when you do it to a directory, it sets the group ownership of any file/directory created in the directory to the same group as the directory. (Like the SUID bit, but for group rather then owner.) The one thing to watch out for is that this doesn't change the permissions that the file is saved with, so the file may not be group writable. But you can always change the default for user wine in ~/.bashrc if you only want it for that user. Thanks, Mikkel. That's really useful. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBzuuPkFAvMr/nNX8RAlXoAJ9QPTP3GVeGDLhs1f/AoJ4ML++soQCfTC6Y H+jXVadF71ezWaTW/X4S5jU= =ueE0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
A couple of things I forgot, but feel I should mention. Although one installs Wine as root and does some minimal global configuration, each user must do their own configuration. Windows software needs to be installed as user, not as root. If there is more than one user on the system, the installation of software must be done for each user (per the licenses). Secondly, if you have VBS active in your MSWord or are using IE and other Windows software under Wine that are open to infection, you do need to take the same precautions on a Linux system that you would on a Windows system to protect against the Win32 viruses and such. Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Happy holidays, deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Thanks to all who replied: Noel, SnapafunFrank, Mike, Deedee. The matter looks not to be a simple one, so I'll have to do further trials with Wine installation. But, Deedee, after I read you say: I've had excellent results working with MSWord documents on Linux systems with OpenOffice.org Writer (OO). I now do all MSWord stuff using OO (I get it in MSWord, open the file in OO, do whatever needs to be done, and convert it back to MSWord). No one has noticed the difference. , I did other trials with OpenOffice.org Writer and found out that, if the MSWord document is edited in a very 'clean' way, i.e. respecting all the tabs and the layout settings, without using the space bar to move text and so on, OO Writer manages to properly read it. In my experience the results had not been satisfying: I tried opening a certain MSWord document with OOWriter and some stuff that was on the right end of the page in MSWord found itself spread out around the middle of the page in OOWriter: the same with abiword. Maybe, as you say, something like that sometimes happens with MSWord itself, but you see that is not good a start, it wouldn't induce to use OO with MSWord documents. However, now I'm quite oriented to avoid Wine installation if possible, i.e. if OO Writer can really work fine onto .doc files, especially now that you pointed out the problem of viruses. And apart from that, I don't much like the idea of having an MSWindows-like system inside my Linux box! I'll be going on experimenting OO Writer, thanks indeed, Rodolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 18:52, deedee E wrote: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBze7YkFAvMr/nNX8RArnHAJ915CU4dierMcQoZ4ZHKgLdnHR9lQCfcYz8 3e6IKipZdv3QCbFhCpnwxP4= =NpJ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 18:52, deedee E wrote: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? Anne Anne, It is mainly vulnerable when running windows programs. It should be possible to create something that runs under Linux that would target Wine, I don't see that happening. The problem is that when you are running Windows programs, you can also run things like VB scripts. But the damage is limmited to your user, and not the entire system, as it would be under Windows. One way to limit things would be to have a different user that you log in as to run Wine. If your normal user is a member of the Wine user's group, and you have a group writable directory, sharing data between the two is easy. You can access this as your normal user, but the Wine user can not access anything in your normal user's directory. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:51:04 + Anne Wilson disseminated the following: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? IIANM, Windows malware (is there any other kind...?), even run under Wine, would have very little if no effect on a Linux system. Firstly, it's going to be looking for files/folders/directories that do not exist (c:\Windows, \System32, Documents and Settings, etc.). Second, it will attempt to run other common commands/executables or exploit services which would exist on a Win system but not on Linux, like, say...well, all of them ;-) -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 18:52:44 up 34 days, 10:05, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 +++ If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. -- Noam Chomsky Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
- Original Message - From: Rodolfo Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there? However, now I'm quite oriented to avoid Wine installation if possible, i.e. if OO Writer can really work fine onto .doc files, especially now that you pointed out the problem of viruses. And apart from that, I don't much like the idea of having an MSWindows-like system inside my Linux box! I'll be going on experimenting OO Writer, thanks indeed, Rodolfo Hello, If you have now 'gone off' Wine, have you thought of using Cross Over Office. A similar product, though you have to pay for it if I remember rightly. N Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Hi. Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I've had problems with it, and the help I got from the wine-users mailing list didn't manage to solve them. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. The installation seems to have been successful, but I don't manage to run WinWord nor do I really know how to run it. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Rodolfo Regala e regalati Libero ADSL: 3 mesi gratis e navighi veloce. 1.2 Mega di musica, film, video e sport. Abbonati subito senza costi di attivazione su http://www.libero.it Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there? Hi. Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I've had problems with it, and the help I got from the wine-users mailing list didn't manage to solve them. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. The installation seems to have been successful, but I don't manage to run WinWord nor do I really know how to run it. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Rodolfo Hello, When you say that the installation has been successful, does that mean just wine or the MS programme as well? K Regala e regalati Libero ADSL: 3 mesi gratis e navighi veloce. 1.2 Mega di musica, film, video e sport. Abbonati subito senza costi di attivazione su http://www.libero.it Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Rodolfo wrote: Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I've had problems with it, and the help I got from the wine-users mailing list didn't manage to solve them. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. The installation seems to have been successful, but I don't manage to run WinWord nor do I really know how to run it. Any help will be appreciated. Noel wrote: When you say that the installation has been successful, does that mean just wine or the MS programme as well? That means just Wine: then I tried to install MS Office 2000 with WineTools with no success. Here is the whole procedure I followed: - From Wine web site: www.winehq.org I downloaded the file Wine-20041201.tar.gz. Previously: # urpmi flex # urpmi bison . Then I copied Wine-20041201.tar.gz into the ~/tmp directory $ cd ~/tmp $ tar xzvf Wine-20041201.tar.gz $ cd wine-20041201 $ ./tools/wineinstall During the run I got the message: We need to install wine as root user, do you want us to build wine, 'su root' and install Wine? Enter 'no' to continue without installing (yes/no) . I typed 'yes'. Further on I got this other message: Create local config file ~/.wine/config? (yes/no) . I typed 'yes', and immediately after: Searching for an existing Windows installation... found. Windows was found on your system, and so we can use the Windows Drive as our Wine drive. You may, however, wish to create a clean Wine install anyways. Should I use the Windows drive for the Wine install? (yes/no) no . I typed 'no', and: Configuring Wine without Windows. Some fake Windows directories must be created, to hold any .ini files, DLLs, start menu entries, and other things your applications may need to install. Where would you like your fake C drive to be placed? (default is /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c) . I hit 'return', and: Configuring Wine for a no-windows install in /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c... err:wave:OSS_WaveOutInit /dev/mixer1: No such file or directory Xlib: extension XFree86-DRI missing on display :0.0. /home/rodolfo/.wine updated successfully. Created /home/rodolfo/.wine/config using default Wine configuration. You probably want to review the file, though. Installation complete for now. Good luck (this is still alpha software). If you have problems with WINE, please read the documentation first, as many kinds of potential problems are explained there. , and the installation was over: it lasted more than 30 minutes! At this point I didn't know how to run MS Word. In the Wine mailing lists there were two different opinions: 1) enter the directory containing the file winword.exe (that was '/mnt/windows/Programmi/Microsoft Office/Office') and do '$ wine winword.exe'; but this didn't work; 2) use WineTools. Then I tried this second solution: from http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ I downloaded the file winetools-207jo.tar.gz and copied into the ~/tmp dir. In that dir, $ tar xzvf winetools-207jo.tar.gz # cp -r /home/rodolfo/tmp/winetools /usr/local # ln -s /usr/local/winetools/wt207jo /usr/local/bin/wt $ wt I chose 'Base setup' I chose 'Create a fake Windows drive' I answered 'yes' when asked: 'Remove existing Wine configuration?' I chose 'O.k.' when asked: 'What's the mount point of the cdrom/dvd drive? e.g. /mnt/cdrom:' I connected to internet; then, from another console, I did $ wt , and chose 'Base setup', then TrueType Arial: I got the message: 'The config file says the software you want to install is already installed. Continue?'. I chose 'yes', there was a downloading, after which I accepted the license, and the installation went up to the end; I found myself in the 'Base setup' menu again, and selected DCOM98; there was a downloading as well, after which I accepted the license, and the installation went up to the end; then I found myself in the 'Base setup' menu again: all the options were: ---New Setup (past April 2004) --- Create a fake Windows drive True type Font Arial DCOM98 Internet Explorer 6.0 SP1 (plain method) Add printcap (non CUPS) printers I selected the 'Internet Explorer 6.0 SP1 (plain method)', and got the message: After the installation your system.reg will be replaced! You will loose all registry keys of installed programs (except for DCOM98)! This is a full automatic installation of almost all components. You can add additional components later by using the uninstaller. Continue
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Rodolfo Medina wrote: Rodolfo wrote: Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I've had problems with it, and the help I got from the wine-users mailing list didn't manage to solve them. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. The installation seems to have been successful, but I don't manage to run WinWord nor do I really know how to run it. Any help will be appreciated. Noel wrote: When you say that the installation has been successful, does that mean just wine or the MS programme as well? That means just Wine: then I tried to install MS Office 2000 with WineTools with no success. Here is the whole procedure I followed: - From Wine web site: www.winehq.org I downloaded the file Wine-20041201.tar.gz. Previously: # urpmi flex # urpmi bison . Then I copied Wine-20041201.tar.gz into the ~/tmp directory $ cd ~/tmp $ tar xzvf Wine-20041201.tar.gz $ cd wine-20041201 $ ./tools/wineinstall During the run I got the message: We need to install wine as root user, do you want us to build wine, 'su root' and install Wine? Enter 'no' to continue without installing (yes/no) . I typed 'yes'. Further on I got this other message: Create local config file ~/.wine/config? (yes/no) . I typed 'yes', and immediately after: Searching for an existing Windows installation... found. Windows was found on your system, and so we can use the Windows Drive as our Wine drive. You may, however, wish to create a clean Wine install anyways. Should I use the Windows drive for the Wine install? (yes/no) no . I typed 'no', and: Configuring Wine without Windows. Some fake Windows directories must be created, to hold any .ini files, DLLs, start menu entries, and other things your applications may need to install. Where would you like your fake C drive to be placed? (default is /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c) . I hit 'return', and: Configuring Wine for a no-windows install in /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c... err:wave:OSS_WaveOutInit /dev/mixer1: No such file or directory Xlib: extension XFree86-DRI missing on display :0.0. /home/rodolfo/.wine updated successfully. Created /home/rodolfo/.wine/config using default Wine configuration. You probably want to review the file, though. Installation complete for now. Good luck (this is still alpha software). If you have problems with WINE, please read the documentation first, as many kinds of potential problems are explained there. , and the installation was over: it lasted more than 30 minutes! At this point I didn't know how to run MS Word. In the Wine mailing lists there were two different opinions: 1) enter the directory containing the file winword.exe (that was '/mnt/windows/Programmi/Microsoft Office/Office') and do '$ wine winword.exe'; but this didn't work; 2) use WineTools. Then I tried this second solution: from http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ I downloaded the file winetools-207jo.tar.gz and copied into the ~/tmp dir. In that dir, $ tar xzvf winetools-207jo.tar.gz # cp -r /home/rodolfo/tmp/winetools /usr/local # ln -s /usr/local/winetools/wt207jo /usr/local/bin/wt $ wt I chose 'Base setup' I chose 'Create a fake Windows drive' I answered 'yes' when asked: 'Remove existing Wine configuration?' I chose 'O.k.' when asked: 'What's the mount point of the cdrom/dvd drive? e.g. /mnt/cdrom:' I connected to internet; then, from another console, I did $ wt , and chose 'Base setup', then TrueType Arial: I got the message: 'The config file says the software you want to install is already installed. Continue?'. I chose 'yes', there was a downloading, after which I accepted the license, and the installation went up to the end; I found myself in the 'Base setup' menu again, and selected DCOM98; there was a downloading as well, after which I accepted the license, and the installation went up to the end; then I found myself in the 'Base setup' menu again: all the options were: ---New Setup (past April 2004) --- Create a fake Windows drive True type Font Arial DCOM98 Internet Explorer 6.0 SP1 (plain method) Add printcap (non CUPS) printers I selected the 'Internet Explorer 6.0 SP1 (plain method)', and got the message: After the installation your system.reg will be replaced! You will loose all registry keys of installed programs (except for DCOM98)! This is a full automatic installation of almost all components. You can add additional components later by using the uninstaller. Continue anyway? I chose
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Rodolfo Medina wrote: Rodolfo wrote: Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I've had problems with it, and the help I got from the wine-users mailing list didn't manage to solve them. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. The installation seems to have been successful, but I don't manage to run WinWord nor do I really know how to run it. Any help will be appreciated. snip Sorry for such a long posting, but this way you (or anyone else can provide help) will have an exact idea of the situation. Any suggestions? Try Franks corner has a lot of wine help (helped me out a few times getting some games to run :-) http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=office2000 Thanks indeed for your reply, happy holidays sincerely, Rodolfo Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:49:46 +1300, SnapafunFrank wrote: Rodolfo Medina wrote: Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I'm not an expert because I've never really had any problems using wine. However, I did notice a couple of things in your post. I have no idea how important they are, however. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. I've found that MSWord doesn't properly read and edit MSWord documents on Windows systems either. Check your documents out on another MSWord installation -- same release, same Windows, but maybe a different printer installed. Things move around, especially in-line graphics (supposedly anchored) on any document and pagination in large documents. OTOH, I've had excellent results working with MSWord documents on Linux systems with OpenOffice.org Writer (OO). I now do all MSWord stuff using OO (I get it in MSWord, open the file in OO, do whatever needs to be done, and convert it back to MSWord). No one has noticed the difference. I had no problems getting MSWord to work under Wine. I just refuse to use it because it's such crummy word processing software. That means just Wine: then I tried to install MS Office 2000 with WineTools with no success. Here is the whole procedure I followed: - From Wine web site: www.winehq.org I downloaded the file Wine-20041201.tar.gz. Any particular reason you are installing from source instead of installing the rpm? The only problems I've ever had with wine were connected with installing from source. I learned a lot about it (because it found a number of things wrong with my system which forced me to correct them), but now I do all the installations from binaries. Some fake Windows directories must be created, to hold any .ini files, DLLs, start menu entries, and other things your applications may need to install. Where would you like your fake C drive to be placed? (default is /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c) Just for the record, is where you're trying to install MSWord also a C: drive from its point of view, or is it a D: drive? Remember, wine is going to act as if /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c is the real C: drive and any time the installation process or MSOffice asks for something on C:, that's where it will go -- not to /mnt/windows. Configuring Wine for a no-windows install in /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c... err:wave:OSS_WaveOutInit /dev/mixer1: No such file or directory Xlib: extension XFree86-DRI missing on display :0.0. /home/rodolfo/.wine updated successfully. This was one of the problems I had when installing from source. I was not able to get wine to run correctly until I resolved all the /dev issues connected with the sound system. You need /dev/mixer1. Created /home/rodolfo/.wine/config using default Wine configuration. You probably want to review the file, though. The critical things in this file are to have your paths correctly set so that wine knows exactly where to find the mount point for each drive and to correctly identify your installed printers (the name that's in /etc/printcap). I found it had already set up the necessary DLLs for MSWord to work properly. , and the installation was over: it lasted more than 30 minutes! The rpm installs in just a few moments. At this point I didn't know how to run MS Word. In the Wine mailing lists there were two different opinions: It's the same as from a Windows box. 1) enter the directory containing the file winword.exe (that was '/mnt/windows/Programmi/Microsoft Office/Office') and do '$ wine winword.exe'; but this didn't work; I assume you checked this, but was winword.exe there? Also, is /mnt/windows really drive D: from MSOffice's point of view, or does it think it's on drive C:? 2) use WineTools. Then I tried this second solution: snip After the installation your system.reg will be replaced! You will loose all registry keys of installed programs (except for DCOM98)! This is a full automatic installation of almost all components. You can add additional components later by using the uninstaller. Continue anyway? I chose 'no'. This was a mistake. I assume you were installing a fake windows drive in /home/rodolfo again. You should have let it replace the system.reg you already had there. There is no big deal about backing it up in case you get nervous. The registry files are critical to getting the whole thing to work correctly. If you are asked for, select drive D: for installation. What does wine think is drive D:? What does MSOffice think is drive D:? Are they the same physical partition? They should be, and
