Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome hangs
I had looked through the other emails and saw that someone else had a problem with KDE (subject of email "[newbie] Install of 9.1 has broken KDE") . I followed the advice presented there which was to edit the /etc/profile file and remove .kde/ folder, and run ldconfig. But I tried ldconfig again still nothing. I get a splash screen for KDE 3.1 and it has 7 icons underneath it. It loads upto the second icon which is a wrench and it says "initializing system services" that's when it hangs and goes to a blue screen. doing some research I think it may be a hardware problem. - Original Message - From: "Stephen Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bobby Patel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome hangs > On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 16:20, Bobby Patel wrote: > > I did a fresh install of 9.1, and then I get prompted for a > > username/password and sesison type I would like to use. > > The sesison type choices are KDE, GNome, IceWm, failsafe, and defualt. The > > only things that work are failsafe and IceWm. When I try to login with KDE > > or Gnome, the cursor turns to a busy cursor and the background is the splash > > screen and I can hear the hardrive reading and writing, but this goes on for > > more than my patience (which is 20 mins). > > > > I went through IceWm and through the system configure tools and installed > > all packages under the Graphical Environment (KDE, GNOME) (45 MB in all) . > > But still the same problem. > > > > Any ideas? I'm totally new to installing linux, so I'm totally lost. > > Since this is a fresh install, I'm assuming you've set the system to > login via graphical mode instead of console mode - so you might want to > do a CTRL-ALT-F2 to get to a console login prompt - once you get there > and login as root, type: ldconfigat the prompt, then type: reboot > and after the system happily reboots/resets, try to login again. If you > can't get past that, then we'll attack another method...unless someone > wants to add their two cents...(or pence, or pfenning or whatever) > > -- > Tue Apr 1 17:55:00 EST 2003 > 17:55:00 up 11 days, 5:42, 3 users, load average: 0.33, 0.37, 0.32 > -- > |____ | kuhn media australia| > | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | > | .\__/ || | | |=| > | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| > | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | |/ ._/ |"""""""""| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | > | ;"""/ / | | | | > | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| > | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | > -- > linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting > machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor > -- > ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** > >I have plenty of common sense, I just choose to ignore it. > --- Calvin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE and Gnome hangs
I did a fresh install of 9.1, and then I get prompted for a username/password and sesison type I would like to use. The sesison type choices are KDE, GNome, IceWm, failsafe, and defualt. The only things that work are failsafe and IceWm. When I try to login with KDE or Gnome, the cursor turns to a busy cursor and the background is the splash screen and I can hear the hardrive reading and writing, but this goes on for more than my patience (which is 20 mins). I went through IceWm and through the system configure tools and installed all packages under the Graphical Environment (KDE, GNOME) (45 MB in all) . But still the same problem. Any ideas? I'm totally new to installing linux, so I'm totally lost. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and GNOME broken in 8.2?
El lun, 01-04-2002 a las 22:49, civileme escribió: > Sure are. To reproduce, just install asking for KDE and GNOME and tell > the installer you don't have Disk2 or 3. > > Then KDE will crash early and often; Konqueror will die, and GNOME will > just return you to the login screen. > > A lot of essential parts of KDE and GNOME are on CD2. With CD1, you can > get up and running with icewm-light, and then run Software Manager to > get the rest of KDE and GNOME. > > Once all installed they seem to run acceptably. > > Civileme uhm.. i'm probably too brain-washed by M$ to think this way, but is a "fix" release coming out? something like, don't change the version number, but change the ISOs? a lot of people get to know Mandrake by buying a magazine which brings CD1 only... That's how i got to MDK 7.1, for example... on the other hand, it would be a pain to update all mirrors..? Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Thursday 07 February 2002 03:42, Roman Korcek wrote: > Again, thanks to all, and a bitter "Argh" when remembering that 2 days > ago nobody responded to my "monitor power management" and "emu-tools" > questions. :-( * From: Roman Korcek * Subject: [newbie] emu-tools * Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 03:53:19 -0800 Hi, I installed emu-tools 0.9.4 but whenever I am trying to run emu-config it gives me: SOUND_MIXER_PRIVATE3: Invalid argument I checked the tools' docs for such a thing but it is not mentioned there. Can anyone please tell me what it means and how to fix it? TIA Roman (copied and posted the above message from the archives) Well I know zilch about monitor power management but I don't understand what you mean about "trying to run emu-config". I'm using emu10K1 with the tools so perhaps I _may_ be able to help if you explain what you mean by running the config. skinky -- oxymoron: Microsoft Works Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
Hi everyone, And thanks for all the responses I got to this thread. A.G.Diaz, > i use xfce but since the original poster prohibited the expression > of reasons for preferring other desktop/window Managers i just watch > this thread from the sidelines. *grin* Thank you for adhering to my question and not bringing up the lightweight environments I am currently not interested in. Again, thanks to all, and a bitter "Argh" when remembering that 2 days ago nobody responded to my "monitor power management" and "emu-tools" questions. :-( Anyways Greetings Roman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On 06 Feb 2002 00:22:20 -0600, Dave Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 21:51, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > You can give all GTK+ (including GNOME) apps anti-aliasing with gdkxft > > (http://gdkxft.sourceforge.net). It's a bit of a hack, but it does a decent > > job. > > How did you get this to work? I am running Mandrake 8.1, and I see in my > .xsession-errors file that libgdkxft.so.0 is preloading, but the > $LD_PRELOAD environment variable is apparently being cleared (I get > nothing when I echo the variable). Firstly, make sure that you have the latest version (currently 1.5) installed correctly. It will install a GNOME COntrol Centre capplet, allowing you to tweak your gdkxft settings. For best results, set GNOME to use scalable (e.g. Truetype or Postscript) fonts. You may have to run your apps in the format "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libgdkxft.so appname" to get anti-aliasing working. If this is the case, place the line "export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libgdkxft.so" in your /etc/profile (or equivalent) to set it as a permanent environment variable. If this doesn't work, add it to /etc/X11/gdm/gnomerc. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan Windows 2000, Users Zilch. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On 05 Feb 2002 19:53:53 -0800, Bryan B Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use Gnome. The main annoying reason was: For some reason KDE cannot > handle very fast internet connections. > > In konqueror (spelling?) if I download a big file from the internet Kde > becomes totally unresponsive till I get the file. It can't handle > pulling 1-3.5MByte/sec over internet2 :( > > This gets seriously annoying and I can't but help useing konqueror > while in KDE... :) While in gnome I use mozilla or plain netscape. > > I feel like KDE is "one big app"... kinda like staroffice 5.2. While in > gnome each app seems to "be on it's own". Sure galeon/mozilla might slow > to a crawl while I'm doing large transfers... but the rest of my desktop > keeps responding. :) > > It's more in my head... I just don't like everything being so > interdependant... Kde gives me that feeling. You should really use a download manager. Galeon interfaces extremely well with GNOME Transfer Manager (GTM) and Downloader for X (NT). All you have to do is Shift+Click a link and Galeon sends to to the download manager to be downloaded. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan "Tabs are 8 characters. They are NOT adjustable. Never have been, never will be. Anybody who thinks tabs are anything but 8 chars apart is just wrong. It's that simple." -- Linus Torvalds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:37:42 + (GMT) shanon loveridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled helpfully: >Check out blackbox / fluxbox. Even faster. = yup! Mike -- "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and useful that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant." --John Adams _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 16:15, Dave Sherman wrote: > On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 06:55, Walter Logeman wrote: > > I have evolution open in KDE. However i have a problem. on my > > 1600 x 1200 screen all the gnome aps fonts are too small and i > > cant change them. It seems they are set in another program > > sawfish? > > Use Gnome Control Center (gnomecc) to set your fonts and font sizes for > Gnome apps. You can run GnomeCC in KDE, no problem. > > Am I the only one on the list who uses Gnome? It looks like everyone > responding to this thread is running KDE. Personally, I have found that > Gnome (with the Sawfish WM) is far more configurable, performs better, > and looks better than KDE. Evolution is my mail client, and Nautilus my > GUI file manager (on the rare occasion I want one). Not alone. I'm also running Gnome. It just "feels" more comfortable to me. But then I'm a recent convert from FVWM.. ;) I use Gnome/Sawfish, Evolution for e-Mail, and Nautilus on the rare occation that I need a graphical file manager. I never quite got used to KDE. It "Feels" too much like windows to me. If you bog one thing down, everything seems to slow down (maybe that's just me..). Gnome took me a while to get used to though. Some things are either missing, or need improvement. Like putting launchers on the desk top. I've worked it out, but Gnome could benefit from smoothing this out. Also, some things In Nautilus could use some work. But after all, it's a release 1.x product. It's doing well for it's age. (anyone remember Windows 2.x? Now there was a usless product! ;) -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
I use Gnome. The main annoying reason was: For some reason KDE cannot handle very fast internet connections. In konqueror (spelling?) if I download a big file from the internet Kde becomes totally unresponsive till I get the file. It can't handle pulling 1-3.5MByte/sec over internet2 :( This gets seriously annoying and I can't but help useing konqueror while in KDE... :) While in gnome I use mozilla or plain netscape. I feel like KDE is "one big app"... kinda like staroffice 5.2. While in gnome each app seems to "be on it's own". Sure galeon/mozilla might slow to a crawl while I'm doing large transfers... but the rest of my desktop keeps responding. :) It's more in my head... I just don't like everything being so interdependant... Kde gives me that feeling. On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 16:15, Dave Sherman wrote: > On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 06:55, Walter Logeman wrote: > > I have evolution open in KDE. However i have a problem. on my > > 1600 x 1200 screen all the gnome aps fonts are too small and i > > cant change them. It seems they are set in another program > > sawfish? > > Use Gnome Control Center (gnomecc) to set your fonts and font sizes for > Gnome apps. You can run GnomeCC in KDE, no problem. > > Am I the only one on the list who uses Gnome? It looks like everyone > responding to this thread is running KDE. Personally, I have found that > Gnome (with the Sawfish WM) is far more configurable, performs better, > and looks better than KDE. Evolution is my mail client, and Nautilus my > GUI file manager (on the rare occasion I want one). > > Dave > -- > Beware the wrath of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. -- Bryan Whitehead SysAdmin - JPL - Interferometry Systems and Technology Phone: 818 354 2903 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 10:24, Walter Logeman wrote: > > > Use Gnome Control Center (gnomecc) to set your fonts and font > > sizes for Gnome apps. You can run GnomeCC in KDE, no problem. > > Have been trying this for a while but there are problems. Using > Mandrake 8.1 and KDE 2.2.1 Gnome control center 1.4.0.1 > > On the occasions it has not crashed it has changed settings in > my KDE desktop. > > But now it crashes. Usually when i am looking for somewhere to > change the fonts - sawfish or appearances etc. on the first > line in the tree it says: MISSINGNAME perhaps that is the > problem. Does it as user and su. Yes, the *MISSINGNAME* entry does appear to be a bug -- I have it too, and I just ignore it. The important parts you want to change are: 1. Document Handlers -> HTML Viewer. This is what affect how Evolution and Galeon render font sizes. Galeon also has its own settings, but they are based on the ones here. 2. Sawfish -> Appearance. The font selection here is really for the Sawfish window manager, which you aren't using when running KDE. But it might help nonetheless. Dave -- Beware the wrath of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
> Use Gnome Control Center (gnomecc) to set your fonts and font > sizes for Gnome apps. You can run GnomeCC in KDE, no problem. Have been trying this for a while but there are problems. Using Mandrake 8.1 and KDE 2.2.1 Gnome control center 1.4.0.1 On the occasions it has not crashed it has changed settings in my KDE desktop. But now it crashes. Usually when i am looking for somewhere to change the fonts - sawfish or appearances etc. on the first line in the tree it says: MISSINGNAME perhaps that is the problem. Does it as user and su. Out put from the console below. Walter ~~~ 374 root@psybernet:/home/walter (04:55:27) # gnomecc ** WARNING **: an initialization error occurred while starting 'sawfish-properties-capplet'. aborting... ** WARNING **: an initialization error occurred while starting 'sawfish-properties-capplet'. aborting... Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 730 (gtk_container_remove): assertion `widget->parent == GTK_WIDGET (container)' failed. ** CRITICAL **: file gtk-multiview.c: line 440 (gtk_multiview_set_current): assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (child)' failed. Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from `(unknown)' to `GtkWidget' Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkwidget.c: line 3497 (gtk_widget_get_style): assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed. Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkctree.c: line 5155 (gtk_ctree_node_set_foreground): assertion `GTK_IS_CTREE (ctree)' failed. 375 root@psybernet:/home/walter (04:57:23) # Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 730 (gtk_container_remove): assertion `widget->parent == GTK_WIDGET (container)' failed. ** CRITICAL **: file gtk-multiview.c: line 440 (gtk_multiview_set_current): assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (child)' failed. Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from `(unknown)' to `GtkWidget' Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkwidget.c: line 3497 (gtk_widget_get_style): assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed. Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkctree.c: line 5155 (gtk_ctree_node_set_foreground): assertion `GTK_IS_CTREE (ctree)' failed. # 375 root@psybernet:/home/walter (04:57:31) # exit exit 817 walter@psybernet:~ (04:57:37) $ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
--- Jose Mirles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 05 February 2002 19:15, Dave Sherman > wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 06:55, Walter Logeman wrote: > > > I have evolution open in KDE. However i have a > problem. on my > > > 1600 x 1200 screen all the gnome aps fonts are > too small and i > > > cant change them. It seems they are set in > another program > > > sawfish? > > > > Use Gnome Control Center (gnomecc) to set your > fonts and font sizes for > > Gnome apps. You can run GnomeCC in KDE, no > problem. > > > > Am I the only one on the list who uses Gnome? It > looks like everyone > > responding to this thread is running KDE. > Personally, I have found that > > Gnome (with the Sawfish WM) is far more > configurable, performs better, > > and looks better than KDE. Evolution is my mail > client, and Nautilus my > > GUI file manager (on the rare occasion I want > one). > > > I use Gnome on my RedHat box and KDE on my Mandrake > box. I find KDE > easier to configure. KDE looks tons better than > Gnome. KDE apps are more > polished as well. Gnome looks more work like and has > some very powerful > network tools. My Redhat box is at work so I use > Gnome there. > > But I have been trying out Window Maker and > oh-my-God! I think I am in love. > KDE and Gnome seem so slow now. I may make the > switch to it after I try it > out a bit more. Check out blackbox / fluxbox. Even faster. Shanon __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On 05 Feb 2002 18:15:02 -0600 Dave Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> revealed these words to me: > > Am I the only one on the list who uses Gnome? It looks like everyone > responding to this thread is running KDE. Personally, I have found that > Gnome (with the Sawfish WM) is far more configurable, performs better, > and looks better than KDE. Evolution is my mail client, and Nautilus my > GUI file manager (on the rare occasion I want one). > > Dave > -- > Beware the wrath of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. > no, i use xfce but since the original poster prohibited the expression of reasons for preferring other desktop/window Managers i just watch this thread from the sidelines. *grin* ciao! -- "Programming, an artform that fights back." = Anuerin G. Diaz Design Engineer Millennium Software, Incorporated 2305 B West Tower, Philippines Stocks Exchange Center, Exchange Road, Ortigas Center, Pasig City Tel# 638-3070 loc. 72 Fax# 638-3079 = Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Tuesday 05 February 2002 19:15, Dave Sherman wrote: > On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 06:55, Walter Logeman wrote: > > I have evolution open in KDE. However i have a problem. on my > > 1600 x 1200 screen all the gnome aps fonts are too small and i > > cant change them. It seems they are set in another program > > sawfish? > > Use Gnome Control Center (gnomecc) to set your fonts and font sizes for > Gnome apps. You can run GnomeCC in KDE, no problem. > > Am I the only one on the list who uses Gnome? It looks like everyone > responding to this thread is running KDE. Personally, I have found that > Gnome (with the Sawfish WM) is far more configurable, performs better, > and looks better than KDE. Evolution is my mail client, and Nautilus my > GUI file manager (on the rare occasion I want one). > I use Gnome on my RedHat box and KDE on my Mandrake box. I find KDE easier to configure. KDE looks tons better than Gnome. KDE apps are more polished as well. Gnome looks more work like and has some very powerful network tools. My Redhat box is at work so I use Gnome there. But I have been trying out Window Maker and oh-my-God! I think I am in love. KDE and Gnome seem so slow now. I may make the switch to it after I try it out a bit more. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
I'm not suer I count since I only tinker with Linux from time to time, but when and if I ever run in X, I use Gnome. It's way faster (at least on my machine it is) and I like the way it looks and behaves better than KDE... >>Am I the only one on the list who uses Gnome? It looks like everyone >>responding to this thread is running KDE. Personally, I have found that >>Gnome (with the Sawfish WM) is far more configurable, performs better, >>and looks better than KDE. Evolution is my mail client, and Nautilus my >>GUI file manager (on the rare occasion I want one). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
> If I still worked for my previous employer I might be very > interested in GNomes mail client (Evolution??). I have evolution open in KDE. However i have a problem. on my 1600 x 1200 screen all the gnome aps fonts are too small and i cant change them. It seems they are set in another program sawfish? Is there a way of using the KDE settings in Gnome aps? Some other way around this? Walter Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 06:55, Walter Logeman wrote: > I have evolution open in KDE. However i have a problem. on my > 1600 x 1200 screen all the gnome aps fonts are too small and i > cant change them. It seems they are set in another program > sawfish? Use Gnome Control Center (gnomecc) to set your fonts and font sizes for Gnome apps. You can run GnomeCC in KDE, no problem. Am I the only one on the list who uses Gnome? It looks like everyone responding to this thread is running KDE. Personally, I have found that Gnome (with the Sawfish WM) is far more configurable, performs better, and looks better than KDE. Evolution is my mail client, and Nautilus my GUI file manager (on the rare occasion I want one). Dave -- Beware the wrath of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
I've been using KDE for a long time. Initially I tried both KDE and Gnome, but I ended up using KDE exclusively because the mouse behavior was so bad in Gnome. It's hard to describe. In KDE I set acceleration to 4 and threshold to 1, and life was great. I messed with Gnome many times and could never get the pointer to behave similarly. So I gave up. But KDE is, IMHO, excellent all the way around. Miark - Original Message - From: "Randy Kramer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome > Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:20:30 +0100, Roman Korcek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am mainly using KDE, but wonder what Gnome could offer. > > > Now I would like to know why each of you is using the one and not the > > > other - ie. what is your personal preference and why, what option does > > > it make the right one for you. > > Initially I selected KDE over GNome for a fairly silly but valid for me > reason -- the KDE screens were always easier to read -- crisper image, > black text on white background by default (at least in Mandrake 7.2 and > earlier). > > The GNome screens always seemed a little fuzzier (see the monkey's > footprint) and darker -- thus harder for me to read. > > I've spent about a year and a half with kde, and have never really gone > back to try GNome since then (occasionally I use a GNome application, on > an experimental basis). > > As I've learned more about KDE (their dcop (kdcop) "technologies") and > had occasion to deal with their "technical support" I've found them to > be quite responsive and willing to help. They've already implemented > changes to deal with some of my suggestions (konqueror now opens in the > desktop it is started in, not in a desktop that I might switch to after > I call for it to start), and seem interested in implementing others > (they might be in 3.0 -- I haven't tried -- things relating to keyboard > shortcuts and copy and paste in klipper and khotkeys). > > Thus, I made a brief trial of both (and the other window managers I > found on early versions of Mandrake, Caldera, RedHat, etc.), decided I > liked kde, and have found no reason to switch. > > If I still worked for my previous employer I might be very interested in > GNomes mail client (Evolution??). > > Randy Kramer > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Tuesday 05 February 2002 22:20, Roman Korcek wrote: > Hey all, > I am mainly using KDE, but wonder what Gnome could offer. > Now I would like to know why each of you is using the one and not the > other - ie. what is your personal preference and why, what option does > it make the right one for you. > > And please let's not talk about other WMs, I would only like to > "compare" *these* two. Its definitely a matter of personal taste but I prefer the look and feel of KDE. Back when I had LM8.0 I found that Gnome ran faster (opening apps, etc until I installed texstar's kde rpms which really sped up KDE. Now I have more ram and LM8.1 and there's no difference in speed. While I really like the look of Gnome's file managers I don't care much for their functionality and preference settings in some of them seem quite limited. But you can still use Konqueror in Gnome anyway. Just use what you like best. skinky -- oxymoron: Microsoft Works Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:20:30 +0100, Roman Korcek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am mainly using KDE, but wonder what Gnome could offer. > > Now I would like to know why each of you is using the one and not the > > other - ie. what is your personal preference and why, what option does > > it make the right one for you. Initially I selected KDE over GNome for a fairly silly but valid for me reason -- the KDE screens were always easier to read -- crisper image, black text on white background by default (at least in Mandrake 7.2 and earlier). The GNome screens always seemed a little fuzzier (see the monkey's footprint) and darker -- thus harder for me to read. I've spent about a year and a half with kde, and have never really gone back to try GNome since then (occasionally I use a GNome application, on an experimental basis). As I've learned more about KDE (their dcop (kdcop) "technologies") and had occasion to deal with their "technical support" I've found them to be quite responsive and willing to help. They've already implemented changes to deal with some of my suggestions (konqueror now opens in the desktop it is started in, not in a desktop that I might switch to after I call for it to start), and seem interested in implementing others (they might be in 3.0 -- I haven't tried -- things relating to keyboard shortcuts and copy and paste in klipper and khotkeys). Thus, I made a brief trial of both (and the other window managers I found on early versions of Mandrake, Caldera, RedHat, etc.), decided I liked kde, and have found no reason to switch. If I still worked for my previous employer I might be very interested in GNomes mail client (Evolution??). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
Well of course you should use the one you like best... Personally I prefer KDE, mostly because I love the way the KDE applications not only pick up my themes Window Decoration, but also all the buttons and drop down boxes pick up the theme as well. It just looks so pretty (I use the Mosfet-liquid theme which IMO is gorgeous) I also dislike the file selection window you get in Gnome applications when you want to 'browse' for a file. It seems more difficult to navigate than KDE and has no 'preview'. derek On Tuesday 05 February 2002 09:20, Roman Korcek wrote: > Hey all, > I am mainly using KDE, but wonder what Gnome could offer. > Now I would like to know why each of you is using the one and not the > other - ie. what is your personal preference and why, what option does > it make the right one for you. > > And please let's not talk about other WMs, I would only like to > "compare" *these* two. > > Thanks IA > Roman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Tuesday 05 February 2002 03:20 am, you wrote: > Hey all, > I am mainly using KDE, but wonder what Gnome could offer. > Now I would like to know why each of you is using the one and not the > other - ie. what is your personal preference and why, what option does > it make the right one for you. > > And please let's not talk about other WMs, I would only like to > "compare" *these* two. > > Thanks IA > Roman anti-aliased fonts! Do I need to say more? (well, okay gnome2 finally has aa fonts, but I can't get consistant performance throughout gnome/gtk apps. But it's still an alpha.) -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
I prefer the look'n feel of Gnome, but I'm using KDE. I'm connecting to a remote Linux machine over the network and bringing the desktop up to my local computer. With Gnome, I have lots of traffic running over my network, while it is greatly reduced with KDE. But after for functionnality, I think they are equivalent. Jean-Christophe - Original Message - From: "Robin M. Weare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome > On Tuesday 05 February 2002 01:20 am, Roman Korcek wrote: > > Hey all, > > I am mainly using KDE, but wonder what Gnome could offer. > > Now I would like to know why each of you is using the one and not the > > other - ie. what is your personal preference and why, what option does > > it make the right one for you. > > In my case, KDE, chiefly because file management requires less RAM. I've got > a 1999 bargain-basement PC with only 192Mb of RAM, so CPU cycles are at a > premium. > > Plus, the single-click file opening is pleasantly convenient -- once you get > used to it. > > -- > Robin M. Weare > > - >Web design for progressive and liberal organizations: >http://www.liberalmafia.org/ >Now looking for pro bono charity projects! > - > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:20:30 +0100, Roman Korcek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey all, > I am mainly using KDE, but wonder what Gnome could offer. > Now I would like to know why each of you is using the one and not the > other - ie. what is your personal preference and why, what option does > it make the right one for you. > > And please let's not talk about other WMs, I would only like to > "compare" *these* two. Wars can (and have) been fought over this sort of thing, but in the end it comes down to personal preferences and tastes. This is my take on things. While I like both GNOME and KDE, I prefer GNOME, and I have been using it for close to three years now. KDE is primarily targeted at the consumer and average user, particularly one migrating from Windows. As a result, it can be viewed as 'Windows on steroids' or 'Windows done better'. GNOME, on the other hand, offers a great deal of flexibility and power (not that KDE isn't powerful...), at the expense of a little user-friendliness. GNOME can take a little longer to get used to, and its functionality can only be truly appreciated through experimentation and configuration. KDE is a bit more plug-'n-play, and once that's done, there's little much more that you can do. GNOME is getting more user friendly, though. Sun Microsystems commissioned a major usability study of GNOME last year. Expect this to be a big influence on future GNOME development, particularly with GNOME2 (due in March) and beyond. Generally, KDE apps should work in GNOME with no trouble, and vice versa. I use Konqueror in GNOME all the time. For a full GNOME experience, you should try Ximian GNOME, available at http://www.ximian.com. Also, don't forget that there are a whole bunch of other environments out there. They may not have as much functionality, but they are often quite innovative, incorporating features and methodology that you may not see in the Big Two environments. They also tend to much lighter and faster. Examples of these include XFce, IceWM, Enlightenment, WindowMaker and Fluxbox. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan 133+ w1nd0z d00d Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Tuesday 05 February 2002 01:20 am, Roman Korcek wrote: > Hey all, > I am mainly using KDE, but wonder what Gnome could offer. > Now I would like to know why each of you is using the one and not the > other - ie. what is your personal preference and why, what option does > it make the right one for you. In my case, KDE, chiefly because file management requires less RAM. I've got a 1999 bargain-basement PC with only 192Mb of RAM, so CPU cycles are at a premium. Plus, the single-click file opening is pleasantly convenient -- once you get used to it. -- Robin M. Weare - Web design for progressive and liberal organizations: http://www.liberalmafia.org/ Now looking for pro bono charity projects! - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE and Gnome
Hey all, I am mainly using KDE, but wonder what Gnome could offer. Now I would like to know why each of you is using the one and not the other - ie. what is your personal preference and why, what option does it make the right one for you. And please let's not talk about other WMs, I would only like to "compare" *these* two. Thanks IA Roman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome when I log in?
On Tuesday 28 August 2001 12:46, Charles A. Punch wrote: > I have already turned off the "save session" option. I have also already > killed the GMC process(if you mean using Xkill). The autostart is > something to check out though. I'm not sure where it is, but I'm sure it > can't be too hard to find. /home//Desktop/Autostart Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome when I log in?
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:46, Charles A. Punch wrote: > Mohammed Arafa wrote: > > u guys probably got gmc on autostart (find and erase) OR most likely, u > > once ran gmc then quit kde with the option to save ur session as is so as > > to resume it next boot. > > > > u can > > 1. kill the gmc process (that should also kill the gnome icons) then save > > ur sessions > > 2. somewhere in the kde control panel is the same save sessions options > > but i cant for the life of me remember where > > I have already turned off the "save session" option. I have also already > killed the GMC process(if you mean using Xkill). The autostart is > something to check out though. I'm not sure where it is, but I'm sure it > can't be too hard to find. Thanx for sharing the info. Thanx also for > being clear, to the point and not assuming that I have any previous > knowledge in this area. If you haven't already, try killing gmc and other unwanted processes, enabling the save session on exit, and then exiting KDE (to save your session). Then go back into KDE and disable the save session on exit option. The next time you want to load GMC, load it as "gmc --nodesktop" to tell it not to manage your desktop. For Nautilus, load it as "run-nautilus --no-desktop". -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome when I log in?
Mohammed Arafa wrote: > > u guys probably got gmc on autostart (find and erase) OR most likely, u once > ran gmc then quit kde with the option to save ur session as is so as to > resume it next boot. > > u can > 1. kill the gmc process (that should also kill the gnome icons) then save ur > sessions > 2. somewhere in the kde control panel is the same save sessions options but > i cant for the life of me remember where > I have already turned off the "save session" option. I have also already killed the GMC process(if you mean using Xkill). The autostart is something to check out though. I'm not sure where it is, but I'm sure it can't be too hard to find. Thanx for sharing the info. Thanx also for being clear, to the point and not assuming that I have any previous knowledge in this area. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome when I log in?
u guys probably got gmc on autostart (find and erase) OR most likely, u once ran gmc then quit kde with the option to save ur session as is so as to resume it next boot. u can 1. kill the gmc process (that should also kill the gnome icons) then save ur sessions 2. somewhere in the kde control panel is the same save sessions options but i cant for the life of me remember where - Original Message - From: "Charles A. Punch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome when I log in? > I know that there is probably a better way to do this, but I, (in > desperation) got rid of those bad boys, by slapping them with Xkill > everytime they showed up. It took five or six times, but eventually they > stopped coming up, so far. If there is a better way to do this that will > not leave a lot of unfinished cleanup (as this probably did) I would > like to know also. > > ShalomOut > Chal > Elder PCUSA > Registered Linux user # 217118 > > Patience is a minor form of despair, disguised as virtue. > -- Ambrose Bierce, on qualifiers > > Jon Doe wrote: > > > > I have a strange problem. I am running Mandrake 8.0 and I have upgraded to > > the 2.2 KDE. Things work great, except everytime I login now, KDE comes up, > > then all the Gnome icons come up, over top of the KDE icons and then gmc > > comes up. I am not sure which file to edit to fix this. > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome when I log in?
I know that there is probably a better way to do this, but I, (in desperation) got rid of those bad boys, by slapping them with Xkill everytime they showed up. It took five or six times, but eventually they stopped coming up, so far. If there is a better way to do this that will not leave a lot of unfinished cleanup (as this probably did) I would like to know also. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Patience is a minor form of despair, disguised as virtue. -- Ambrose Bierce, on qualifiers Jon Doe wrote: > > I have a strange problem. I am running Mandrake 8.0 and I have upgraded to > the 2.2 KDE. Things work great, except everytime I login now, KDE comes up, > then all the Gnome icons come up, over top of the KDE icons and then gmc > comes up. I am not sure which file to edit to fix this. > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE and Gnome when I log in?
I have a strange problem. I am running Mandrake 8.0 and I have upgraded to the 2.2 KDE. Things work great, except everytime I login now, KDE comes up, then all the Gnome icons come up, over top of the KDE icons and then gmc comes up. I am not sure which file to edit to fix this. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome removal
Emmette Hutchison wrote: > how to I remove or stop using a desktop environment like gnome or kde? > At this point I just want enlightenment running. > (I'm assuming that I have to edit an x settings file somewhere, but I'm > not quite sure where.) > > Emmette To be able to stop using or to uninstall? Assuming you don't want to uninstall, but just to stop using, the following are my directions. Read the documentation for both gnome and kde is the approach. Go into the kde desktop and search through the Help documentation for how to stop using kde. I believe the command is something like "kde off" or kde -off" or something like this, but haven't used it yet and therefore don't remember the documentation accurately. To your gnome is probably used on top of Enlightenment. If this is the case, then when in this environment, look through the desktop menus for a source of documentation, or a switch or option to close the gnome portion. If this doesn't help, then search the gnome and kde documentation directories under or in the /usr/doc directory. If you want to uninstall gnome and or kde, then you should read the documentation on these, first. To uninstall kde safely, you may need to turn it off, first. You may not need to do anything like that to uninstall gnome, though. However, if disk space isn't an issue, then I'ld suggest leaving gnome and kde installed, at least long enough to explore Enlightenment. mike
