Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Saturday 30 August 2008 06:03, anton wrote: Big hairy things! The year is 2008 where you are at? Gee, and I thought daylight savings time was complicated. Can you tell me who won the US World Series in 2005, I got a date with a bookie. ;-} O.J. Simpson? Will Smith? No! No! Jay Leno! Grin! LMAO! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Saturday 30 August 2008 06:03, anton wrote: > Big hairy things! The year is 2008 where you are at? Gee, and I thought daylight savings time was complicated. Can you tell me who won the US World Series in 2005, I got a date with a bookie. ;-} -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 00:17:12 -0400, JoeHill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, like, we gotta wait til 2008 before this disappears from the top of the > mailing list? Lucky me: I never even got the e-mail in the first place :P pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +1200 anton disseminated the following: So, like, we gotta wait til 2008 before this disappears from the top of the mailing list? -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Or ... "He has weapons of mass destruction -- the world's deadliest weapons -- which pose a direct threat to the United States, our citizens and our friends and allies." One of those lies got a president impeached. -- Michael Moore Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Thank you, it works... Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Sunday 04 Apr 2004 10:57 am, Anguo wrote: > Why this kind of stuff is not better documented? Because nobody has contributed that document yet. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Thank you, it works... Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Monday 15 Mar 2004 9:01 pm, JoeHill wrote: > cp /citibank/money/* /home/joehill/money Thank you so much! Why this kind of stuff is not better documented? It works for me! Blessings, Augustin -- www.masquilier.org Condorcet, Approval alternative voting. In order to prevent people from receiving viruses that would seem to originate from my email, if you use Microsoft Windows you do not have permission to add this address to your address book. If I am in your address book, please remove me. Of course, this does not apply to GNU/Linux users. Thank you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 16 March 2004 04:46 pm, anton wrote: > unfortunately its the "set it up in the mail program" that I can't do. > I'm using mozilla mail. I tried > `sh /home/antonovich/dd` > in the signature part but no joy. > CIA > Anton Is that correct guys? I can't tell because I don't have mozilla mail. But, I can't believe that it doesn't support such feature. - -- 17:14:06 up 7:26, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVtPRkp5CsIXuxqURAlwcAKC6LbraEoqY20E3YK0AqnCq9IwJ4wCgxDoP 6KEvgUm6VBD9FWkkGEJY3eQ= =l0dk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
Fajar Priyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 16 March 2004 02:15 pm, anton wrote: Hey, How do I do that? I am using tagzilla to get my sigs. Is there a way just to call a script like this? I would prefer that... Cheers Anton -=-=- ... A true artist will let his wife starve, his children go barefoot, his mother drudge for his living at seventy, sooner than work at anything but his art. -- Shaw What mail program do you use? Just copy that script into a file and make it executable, and set it up in the mail program. unfortunately its the "set it up in the mail program" that I can't do. I'm using mozilla mail. I tried `sh /home/antonovich/dd` in the signature part but no joy. CIA Anton Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 16 March 2004 02:15 pm, anton wrote: > Hey, > How do I do that? I am using tagzilla to get my sigs. Is there a way > just to call a script like this? I would prefer that... > Cheers > Anton > -=-=- > ... A true artist will let his wife starve, his children go barefoot, > his mother > drudge for his living at seventy, sooner than work at anything but his art. > -- Shaw What mail program do you use? Just copy that script into a file and make it executable, and set it up in the mail program. - -- 14:33:30 up 4:45, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVq4Jkp5CsIXuxqURAu9vAJ9CXaPqqzHhIvfvMqjhnr6x9KF6lwCfUA57 PcH6fDRRduVjYXtuawtFhL4= =W0tf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
Fajar PRiyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 15 March 2004 07:12 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:32:45 +0700 Fajar PRiyanto disseminated the following: Btw Joe, how do you make your signature shows all those stuffs? I copied, pasted, and hacked together some stuff I got off this list and from Todd Slater's page: #!/bin/bash STR=$(uptime) TIME=${STR% user*} RESULT=${TIME% *} echo -n $RESULT "`cat /etc/mandrake-release` " echo echo "++" echo `fortune /home/joehill/sigs/quotes` exit Geez, Thanks Joe, so you're using /etc/mandrake-release, huh? ;) - -- 19:33:20 up 6:02, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Hey, How do I do that? I am using tagzilla to get my sigs. Is there a way just to call a script like this? I would prefer that... Cheers Anton -=-=- ... A true artist will let his wife starve, his children go barefoot, his mother drudge for his living at seventy, sooner than work at anything but his art. -- Shaw Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:34:39 +0700 Fajar PRiyanto disseminated the following: > Geez, > Thanks Joe, so you're using /etc/mandrake-release, huh? ;) I can copy and paste with the best of 'em, eh? Now if only life's problems could be solved this way... cp /citibank/money/* /home/joehill/money -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 07:56:55 up 3 days, 22:27, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ "One of the most dangerous errors of our time is the belief that human beings are uniquely violent animals, barely restrained from committing atrocities on each other by the constraints of ethics, religion, and the state." -- Eric S. Raymond Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 15 March 2004 07:12 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:32:45 +0700 > > Fajar PRiyanto disseminated the following: > > Btw Joe, how do you make your signature shows all those stuffs? > > I copied, pasted, and hacked together some stuff I got off this list and > from Todd Slater's page: > > #!/bin/bash > STR=$(uptime) > TIME=${STR% user*} > RESULT=${TIME% *} > echo -n $RESULT "`cat /etc/mandrake-release` " > echo > echo "++" > echo `fortune /home/joehill/sigs/quotes` > exit Geez, Thanks Joe, so you're using /etc/mandrake-release, huh? ;) - -- 19:33:20 up 6:02, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAVaLhkp5CsIXuxqURAgvYAKCkDuUVwaKBEyqmlxa8MHwXM+zvxwCgnaom x71umqmitILHD2PJ+68Ftaw= =qWtK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:32:45 +0700 Fajar PRiyanto disseminated the following: > Btw Joe, how do you make your signature shows all those stuffs? I copied, pasted, and hacked together some stuff I got off this list and from Todd Slater's page: #!/bin/bash STR=$(uptime) TIME=${STR% user*} RESULT=${TIME% *} echo -n $RESULT "`cat /etc/mandrake-release` " echo echo "++" echo `fortune /home/joehill/sigs/quotes` exit -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 07:10:16 up 3 days, 21:41, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ "Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes a-begging." -- Martin Luther Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:47:21 -0500 Mark Weaver disseminated the following: > and KDE 3.2 is blazing! This makes me wonder what KDE was doing before...my CPU is maxed out right now, and I see no hesitation at all in the seven or so apps I have open. Must be a Pekwm thing...I've seen my load average at 2.5, and still the only thing that's slow to open is...you guessed it, OpenOffice ;-) Forgive them lord, they know not what they run as a Desktop! -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 20:57:13 up 3 days, 11:28, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ "Behind every great fortune is a crime." -- Balzac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Saturday 30 August 2008 06:03 am, anton wrote: > Big hairy things! > ARGGGH! My one real wish with 3.2 was to put the KDM blues (having > to use GDM) behind me. Alac, alas, not to be! The piece of )*(&)*^ still > doesn't work (for me)! It will log me into a desktop now (before, with > 3.1.3, not even that), but only Ice. No KDE, no Gnome. What? Why? How? > GDM, however, does it just hunky dorey! If Gnome didn't suck so bad I > would, well, use it! > Any ideas on why KDM has suckiness embedded deep within it are most > welcome. Cheers > Anton > -=-=- > ... I want a VEGETARIAN BURRITO to go ... with EXTRA MSG!! I dunnojust updated my 9.2 workstation here with the community release of 10.0 and KDE 3.2 is blazing! In fact I read some of the reviews written by folks who had done the 10.0 install and was a bit skeptical about the increased speed of 10. No longer...I've seen it with my own eyes, and I'm lovin it! Good job Mandrake! -- Mark "If you have found a very wise man, then you've found a man that at one time was an idiot and lived long enough to learn from his own stupidity." Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
But ya, Robin's suggestion is probably a good one, I'm not sure as I never mess with KDE/KDM (which may explain why I don't even have an /etc/X11/kdm dir on my system...) well I am in trouble then! I am using mdkkdm (and have been for some time) and I also have no /etc/X11/kdm directory!!! ;) Anton -=-=- ... grep me no patterns and I'll tell you no lines. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:46 +1300 anton disseminated the following: > >> This is just a kludge til you get it figured out, but what I would > >> recommend is > >> not having X start at boot, > yeah... the wife wouldn't be very impressed though. She won't let me > install linux for her (as a linux only box) yet and I think a text login > for my box (which she needs to turn on to connect to the net, even for > her box) would just fuel the fire. ...does she actually have to log in to your box to get the net connection going? If not... Otherwise, tell her if she logs in while in text mode, it means she's a l33t h4x0r ;-) But ya, Robin's suggestion is probably a good one, I'm not sure as I never mess with KDE/KDM (which may explain why I don't even have an /etc/X11/kdm dir on my system...) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 08:03:23 up 20 days, 19:48, 6 users, load average: 1.15, 1.24, 1.18 +++ Linux 2.4.22-21mdk i686 +++ "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."-- Archbishop Helder Camara Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Wednesday 25 February 2004 11:12 am, robin wrote: > > There should be a dir in /etc/X11 called 'kdm', IIRC, check in there for > > config files that may be the culprit. There are usually options in there > > to tell the Login Manager what WM's to list. Vague, I know, but I haven't > > used KDE or Gnome or booted into X in quite some time :-\ > > I had the same problem - changing to mdkkdm fixed it. This is fixed in Cooker for some time. If you uninstall kdebase-kdm and install the current one from cooker, this problem should go away. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:46 +1300 anton disseminated the following: This is just a kludge til you get it figured out, but what I would recommend is not having X start at boot, yeah... the wife wouldn't be very impressed though. She won't let me install linux for her (as a linux only box) yet and I think a text login for my box (which she needs to turn on to connect to the net, even for her box) would just fuel the fire. ...does she actually have to log in to your box to get the net connection going? If not... Otherwise, tell her if she logs in while in text mode, it means she's a l33t h4x0r ;-) LOL. Some years ago I ran a role-playing game set in a cyberpunk world I'd created largely by plagiarising William Gibson and Tad Williams. Hackers could recognise each other by the fact they spoke Lojban, or by holding out a hand and making typing gestures - in a world where people jacked into virtual reality through neural implants, their slogan was "Real geeks type!" But ya, Robin's suggestion is probably a good one, I'm not sure as I never mess with KDE/KDM (which may explain why I don't even have an /etc/X11/kdm dir on my system...) First time I ever messed with it. I normally think a good motto is "if ain't broke, don't fix it," but it was broke, so I fixed it. Sir Robin the Smug -- "Caesar non supra grammaticos." - Suetonius Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:47:33 +1300 anton disseminated the following: > wow! > talk about weird response! nobody took much notice of the message and > now lots of people reply. That's not the weird thing though - The source > says this (my original one) was sent on the 30/08/2008. WTF?!? That is > bizarre. Were you circling the event-horizon of a black hole when you wrote the note? That might explain it. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 08:00:51 up 20 days, 19:45, 6 users, load average: 1.18, 1.28, 1.18 +++ Linux 2.4.22-21mdk i686 +++ "There are three side effects of acid: enhanced long-term memory, decreased short-term memory, and I forget the third."-- Timothy Leary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
This is just a kludge til you get it figured out, but what I would recommend is not having X start at boot, yeah... the wife wouldn't be very impressed though. She won't let me install linux for her (as a linux only box) yet and I think a text login for my box (which she needs to turn on to connect to the net, even for her box) would just fuel the fire. Cheers Anton -=-=- ... At work, the authority of a person is inversely proportional to the number of pens that person is carrying. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
I had the same problem - changing to mdkkdm fixed it. wow! talk about weird response! nobody took much notice of the message and now lots of people reply. That's not the weird thing though - The source says this (my original one) was sent on the 30/08/2008. WTF?!? That is bizarre. And cheers joe, ill get into the x11 files. Ai no nahting about x and definitely need to do some finding out. Cheers Anton -=-=- ... "There's only one way to have a happy marriage and as soon as I learn what it is I'll get married again." -- Clint Eastwood Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +1200 anton disseminated the following: Big hairy things! I can't disagree with that ;-) ARGGGH! My one real wish with 3.2 was to put the KDM blues (having to use GDM) behind me. Alac, alas, not to be! The piece of )*(&)*^ still doesn't work (for me)! It will log me into a desktop now (before, with 3.1.3, not even that), but only Ice. This is just a kludge til you get it figured out, but what I would recommend is not having X start at boot, and just using an .xinitrc in your home dir to tell X what desktop to load when you type 'startx'. Actually, if you boot to text mode, for KDE all you have to do is log in and at the prompt type 'kde' and that should load it. There should be a dir in /etc/X11 called 'kdm', IIRC, check in there for config files that may be the culprit. There are usually options in there to tell the Login Manager what WM's to list. Vague, I know, but I haven't used KDE or Gnome or booted into X in quite some time :-\ I had the same problem - changing to mdkkdm fixed it. Sir Robin -- "Caesar non supra grammaticos." - Suetonius Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +1200 anton disseminated the following: > No KDE, no Gnome. What? Why? How? Actually, look in /etc/X11/dm/Sessions and make sure all the appropriate entries are there as well. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 08:33:19 up 19 days, 20:18, 6 users, load average: 0.25, 0.13, 0.09 +++ Linux 2.4.22-21mdk i686 +++ "In this possibly terminal phase of human existence, democracy and freedom are more than just ideals to be valued - they may be essential to survival"-- Noam Chomsky Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +1200 anton disseminated the following: > Big hairy things! I can't disagree with that ;-) > ARGGGH! My one real wish with 3.2 was to put the KDM blues (having > to use GDM) behind me. Alac, alas, not to be! The piece of )*(&)*^ still > doesn't work (for me)! It will log me into a desktop now (before, with > 3.1.3, not even that), but only Ice. This is just a kludge til you get it figured out, but what I would recommend is not having X start at boot, and just using an .xinitrc in your home dir to tell X what desktop to load when you type 'startx'. Actually, if you boot to text mode, for KDE all you have to do is log in and at the prompt type 'kde' and that should load it. There should be a dir in /etc/X11 called 'kdm', IIRC, check in there for config files that may be the culprit. There are usually options in there to tell the Login Manager what WM's to list. Vague, I know, but I haven't used KDE or Gnome or booted into X in quite some time :-\ -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 08:20:36 up 19 days, 20:05, 6 users, load average: 0.18, 0.18, 0.10 +++ Linux 2.4.22-21mdk i686 +++ "Not only do I think marijuana should be legalized, I think it should be mandatory"-- Bill Hicks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Tuesday 24 February 2004 06:26 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +1200 > > anton disseminated the following: > > If Gnome didn't suck so bad I would, well, use it! > > It amazes me to no end how many people are so loyal to KDE, yet have so > many problems with it. > > Sorry, this is my day to bash KDE... :-D Hey Joe, that is ok, to each his own and all that. I personally stay with KDE because early on, Mandrake 6.2 or so, I tried Gnome and could find no way to get my external modem to connect to the internet. KDE did it with KPPP first try, been there ever since. I do go and have a look at gnome now and again, but It just doesn't flip my prop. : ) -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:03:32 +1200 anton disseminated the following: > If Gnome didn't suck so bad I would, well, use it! It amazes me to no end how many people are so loyal to KDE, yet have so many problems with it. Sorry, this is my day to bash KDE... :-D -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 19:25:06 up 19 days, 7:10, 5 users, load average: 1.22, 1.16, 1.10 +++ Linux 2.4.22-21mdk i686 +++ "Behind every great fortune is a crime." -- Balzac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
DUDE! Try using DM instead of KDM or GDM or AnyOtherDM ! It just works. You also might wanna consider cutting WAY back on the coffee ! Grin! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 8/30/2008 at 10:03 PM anton wrote: >Big hairy things! >ARGGGH! My one real wish with 3.2 was to put the KDM blues (having >to use GDM) behind me. Alac, alas, not to be! The piece of )*(&)*^ still >doesn't work (for me)! It will log me into a desktop now (before, with >3.1.3, not even that), but only Ice. No KDE, no Gnome. What? Why? How? >GDM, however, does it just hunky dorey! If Gnome didn't suck so bad I >would, well, use it! >Any ideas on why KDM has suckiness embedded deep within it are most >welcome. >Cheers >Anton >-=-=- >... I want a VEGETARIAN BURRITO to go ... with EXTRA MSG!! > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDM 3.2 still bites...
Big hairy things! ARGGGH! My one real wish with 3.2 was to put the KDM blues (having to use GDM) behind me. Alac, alas, not to be! The piece of )*(&)*^ still doesn't work (for me)! It will log me into a desktop now (before, with 3.1.3, not even that), but only Ice. No KDE, no Gnome. What? Why? How? GDM, however, does it just hunky dorey! If Gnome didn't suck so bad I would, well, use it! Any ideas on why KDM has suckiness embedded deep within it are most welcome. Cheers Anton -=-=- ... I want a VEGETARIAN BURRITO to go ... with EXTRA MSG!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com