Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 13:00, Chris wrote: Any hope though that I can get this one up and running? output of kde usb viewer HP ScanJet 4400c Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard Serial Number: CN1611C2RFB Speed: 12Mb/s (full) USB Version: 1.10 Device Class: 00(ifc ) Device Subclass: 00 Device Protocol: 00 Maximum Default Endpoint Size: 8 Number of Configurations: 1 Vendor Id: 03f0 Product Id: 0705 Revision Number: 1.00 Have you been to the SANE website and have you gotten their latest back ends for SANE? They update the back ends quite often...and by upgrading your SANE, you might get more than lucky mate... -- Sat Nov 16 21:30:01 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 Advertising is a valuable economic factor because it is the cheapest way of selling goods, particularly if the goods are worthless. -- Sinclair Lewis Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 18:26, Franki wrote: OK, we are starting to get a list together.. I just added Canon 1220U to the list, because its not listed at Sane at all... Neither is my Powershot 600 (old digital camera) working under linux... Canon seem to have very few supported anything on linux. who eles?? Logitech QuikCam /WebCam (all models that are USB) -- Fri Nov 15 21:05:00 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 Scrubbing floors and emptying bedpans has as much dignity as the Presidency. -- Richard Nixon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Friday 15 Nov 2002 7:26 am, you wrote: OK, we are starting to get a list together.. I just added Canon 1220U to the list, because its not listed at Sane at all... Neither is my Powershot 600 (old digital camera) working under linux... Canon seem to have very few supported anything on linux. who eles?? CanoScan FS 2710 - film scanner. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
I would like to get everyone's two cents worth about this. I am curious to know what everyone thinks. Now that Apple has OS X (which is Unix-based), will drivers for hardware start to become more readily available as hardware manufacturers start to make drivers for OS X? Would it be easier to create a Linux driver from a OS X driver, since the two OS's are much closer than Linux and Window$? I know I am probably going to open up a whole great big can of worms with this, but I am curious if things will start to change a little for the better. Thanks! Terry Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 18:26, Franki wrote: OK, we are starting to get a list together.. I just added Canon 1220U to the list, because its not listed at Sane at all... Neither is my Powershot 600 (old digital camera) working under linux... Canon seem to have very few supported anything on linux. who eles?? Logitech QuikCam /WebCam (all models that are USB) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Terry Sheltra PC Technician/Network Administrator University of Virginia School of Architecture 434.982.3047 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Registered Linux User #218330 Composed on a 100% Micro$soft-free PC Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Friday November 15 2002 09:42 am, Terry Sheltra wrote: I would like to get everyone's two cents worth about this. I am curious to know what everyone thinks. Now that Apple has OS X (which is Unix-based), will drivers for hardware start to become more readily available as hardware manufacturers start to make drivers for OS X? Would it be easier to create a Linux driver from a OS X driver, since the two OS's are much closer than Linux and Window$? I know I am probably going to open up a whole great big can of worms with this, but I am curious if things will start to change a little for the better. OSX is based on FreeBSD, and the BSD license allows for closed proprietary source and specs. Cross licensing agreements and side deals between many hardware vendors and M$, also include Apple (mostly thru agreements with M$). I think while the Linux community of developers will certainly not be included in any info shared with Apple, there may be some trickle down affect. For instance, it wasn't long after QuickTime was ported to OSX, that mysteriously open source Linux apps (Xine, then Mplayer) also gained the ability to play QT files. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
I would be inclined to say no... Apple maintains an iron grip on apples hardware... The result being they have almost total control over it.. However, firewire and usb addon's drivers could be of benefit to the linux community if the developers are pushed to write linux drivers.. all the more reason to make a list of bad linux hardware and start a concerted effort to get some attention... (by bad hardware, I mean stuff that could have linux drivers, but doesn't.. not dumbass stuff like winmodems and winprinters etc that shouldn't have lin drivers (or win drivers for that matter :-) I will keep putting my list together, then I will write a script to aid contacting the manufactures and letting them know our displeasure. rgsd Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Terry Sheltra Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 11:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. I would like to get everyone's two cents worth about this. I am curious to know what everyone thinks. Now that Apple has OS X (which is Unix-based), will drivers for hardware start to become more readily available as hardware manufacturers start to make drivers for OS X? Would it be easier to create a Linux driver from a OS X driver, since the two OS's are much closer than Linux and Window$? I know I am probably going to open up a whole great big can of worms with this, but I am curious if things will start to change a little for the better. Thanks! Terry Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 18:26, Franki wrote: OK, we are starting to get a list together.. I just added Canon 1220U to the list, because its not listed at Sane at all... Neither is my Powershot 600 (old digital camera) working under linux... Canon seem to have very few supported anything on linux. who eles?? Logitech QuikCam /WebCam (all models that are USB) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Terry Sheltra PC Technician/Network Administrator University of Virginia School of Architecture 434.982.3047 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Registered Linux User #218330 Composed on a 100% Micro$soft-free PC Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 02:42, Terry Sheltra wrote: I would like to get everyone's two cents worth about this. I am curious to know what everyone thinks. Now that Apple has OS X (which is Unix-based), will drivers for hardware start to become more readily available as hardware manufacturers start to make drivers for OS X? Would it be easier to create a Linux driver from a OS X driver, since the two OS's are much closer than Linux and Window$? I know I am probably going to open up a whole great big can of worms with this, but I am curious if things will start to change a little for the better. Thanks! Terry It would be easier to make OS/X drivers from the linux/unix drivers. -- Sat Nov 16 07:40:00 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 Please remain calm, it's no use both of us being hysterical at the same time. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Thursday 14 November 2002 09:59 pm, you said, and I quote: I have a HP 4400c and haven't been able to get it working, so if anyone of you can tell me how this could be accomplished under 9.0, I'd be ever so grateful. Regards Trevor So, you see it in the HARDWAREDRAKE? Have you fired up SANE to see if it's recognized? (This is what I get from running sane-find-scanner) [rootkilgore_trout bin]# ls *sane* sane-config sane-find-scanner xsane xsane-gimp Hmm, after reading your msg I remembered that my hp4400c scanjet is also usb compatable so went out and bought a usb cable (couldn't find the one that came with it of course). Hooked it up and of course my luck its not listed under harddrakes scanner list but it is recognized by the usb viewer app. I guess though I'm destined to pick one from the list of scanners that harddrake provides and give this one to my son. Any hope though that I can get this one up and running? output of kde usb viewer HP ScanJet 4400c Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard Serial Number: CN1611C2RFB Speed: 12Mb/s (full) USB Version: 1.10 Device Class: 00(ifc ) Device Subclass: 00 Device Protocol: 00 Maximum Default Endpoint Size: 8 Number of Configurations: 1 Vendor Id: 03f0 Product Id: 0705 Revision Number: 1.00 Config Number: 1 Number of Interfaces: 1 Attributes: e0 MaxPower Needed: 0mA Interface Number: 0 Name: (none) Alternate Number: 0 Class: 00(ifc ) Sub Class: 0 Protocol: 0 Number of Endpoints: 3 Endpoint Address: 81 Direction: in Attribute: 2 Type: Bulk Max Packet Size: 64 Interval: 0ms Endpoint Address: 02 Direction: out Attribute: 2 Type: Bulk Max Packet Size: 8 Interval: 0ms Endpoint Address: 83 Direction: in Attribute: 3 Type: Int. Max Packet Size: 1 Interval: 250ms -- Regards Chris Registered Linux user #283774 http://counter.li.org 7:51pm up 17 min, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.14, 0.13 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 17:37, Franki wrote: strange, most of the umax scanners work fine with linux.. what was your scanner??? rgds Franki Mate, it's long long gone - got an Acer now - which still doesn't work under linux - but doesn't matter - going to get a better one after Xmas is over and done with and all the computer junk heads my way for resale...(grin) That's the time I tend to upgrade my home network/home server/workstation... I'm shooting for an HP scanner next time around...USB, of course... -- Thu Nov 14 22:35:00 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 Every word is like an unnecessary stain on silence and nothingness. -- Beckett Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Wednesday 13 Nov 2002 12:10 pm, you wrote: my first response from a hardware manufacturer... This is a australian company with overseas offices... They go promptly into the Shame file. rgds Frank --- - I can understand their reluctance to say that it will definitely work with linux, but there's no excuse for saying that they will answer no technical questions I'm with you, btw, just been away re-installing. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Thursday 14 Nov 2002 7:02 am, you wrote: 14 2002 06:58, / Franki : Franki Please add DXR3 DVD-Decoder Card of Creative too. And the breakout box that comes with SoundBlaster Live! Platinum and SB Audigy Platinum. (The two cards use the same driver, but I don't know if that would be true for the breakout boxes, so perhaps we need enquiries for both separately) Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Thursday 14 Nov 2002 11:40 am, you wrote: On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 17:37, Franki wrote: strange, most of the umax scanners work fine with linux.. what was your scanner??? rgds Franki Mate, it's long long gone - got an Acer now - which still doesn't work under linux - but doesn't matter - going to get a better one after Xmas is over and done with and all the computer junk heads my way for resale...(grin) That's the time I tend to upgrade my home network/home server/workstation... I'm shooting for an HP scanner next time around...USB, of course... Don't forget the Epson Perfection range - several of them work, I believe. Mine is a 1650, which is not as cheap as some, but it works a dream. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
Mate, it's long long gone - got an Acer now - which still doesn't work under linux - but doesn't matter - going to get a better one after Xmas is over and done with and all the computer junk heads my way for resale...(grin) That's the time I tend to upgrade my home network/home server/workstation... I'm shooting for an HP scanner next time around...USB, of course... I have a HP 4400c and haven't been able to get it working, so if anyone of you can tell me how this could be accomplished under 9.0, I'd be ever so grateful. Regards Trevor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 12:17, Trevor Rhodes wrote: Mate, it's long long gone - got an Acer now - which still doesn't work under linux - but doesn't matter - going to get a better one after Xmas is over and done with and all the computer junk heads my way for resale...(grin) That's the time I tend to upgrade my home network/home server/workstation... I'm shooting for an HP scanner next time around...USB, of course... I have a HP 4400c and haven't been able to get it working, so if anyone of you can tell me how this could be accomplished under 9.0, I'd be ever so grateful. Regards Trevor So, you see it in the HARDWAREDRAKE? Have you fired up SANE to see if it's recognized? (This is what I get from running sane-find-scanner) [root@kilgore_trout bin]# ls *sane* sane-config sane-find-scanner xsane xsane-gimp [root@kilgore_trout bin]# sane-find-scanner # Note that sane-find-scanner will find any scanner that is connected # to a SCSI bus and some scanners that are connected to the Universal # Serial Bus (USB) depending on your OS. It will even find scanners # that are not supported at all by SANE. It won't find a scanner that # is connected to a parallel or proprietary port. So, if your scanner is connected to USB or a SCSI card, it should be found (God willing that your scanner is in there) - and keep in mind that the good people that put together S.A.N.E. always have updates... http://www.mostang.com/sane/ ...I just saw some backends that I want to download from there... -- Fri Nov 15 14:50:00 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 Lost: gray and white female cat. Answers to electric can opener. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
OK, we are starting to get a list together.. I just added Canon 1220U to the list, because its not listed at Sane at all... Neither is my Powershot 600 (old digital camera) working under linux... Canon seem to have very few supported anything on linux. who eles?? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 12:17, Trevor Rhodes wrote: Mate, it's long long gone - got an Acer now - which still doesn't work under linux - but doesn't matter - going to get a better one after Xmas is over and done with and all the computer junk heads my way for resale...(grin) That's the time I tend to upgrade my home network/home server/workstation... I'm shooting for an HP scanner next time around...USB, of course... I have a HP 4400c and haven't been able to get it working, so if anyone of you can tell me how this could be accomplished under 9.0, I'd be ever so grateful. Regards Trevor So, you see it in the HARDWAREDRAKE? Have you fired up SANE to see if it's recognized? (This is what I get from running sane-find-scanner) [root@kilgore_trout bin]# ls *sane* sane-config sane-find-scanner xsane xsane-gimp [root@kilgore_trout bin]# sane-find-scanner # Note that sane-find-scanner will find any scanner that is connected # to a SCSI bus and some scanners that are connected to the Universal # Serial Bus (USB) depending on your OS. It will even find scanners # that are not supported at all by SANE. It won't find a scanner that # is connected to a parallel or proprietary port. So, if your scanner is connected to USB or a SCSI card, it should be found (God willing that your scanner is in there) - and keep in mind that the good people that put together S.A.N.E. always have updates... http://www.mostang.com/sane/ ...I just saw some backends that I want to download from there... -- Fri Nov 15 14:50:00 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 Lost: gray and white female cat. Answers to electric can opener. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
Hi Guys, This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site and email them about it.) generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they start considing their lost market?? what do you guys think of this idea??? Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing. rgds Frank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
13 2002 11:06, / Franki : I agree wholeheartedly. Count me in it too. But let's agree about the products first. Which one of those are of common interest? Hi Guys, This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site and email them about it.) generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they start considing their lost market?? what do you guys think of this idea??? Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing. rgds Frank -- ## Mandrake-Linux 9.0 (Dolphin) Registered Linux User 271321 http://counter.li.org ## Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
well, if you guys give me suggestions, I'll knock up a web page with them all on it, and email address's... and we can keep a numbering system so we know how many emails each manufacturer has received. Lets start a movement. :-) good idea? rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Dimitris Ioannou Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 6:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. Óôéò Ôåô 13 Íïå 2002 11:06, ï/ç Franki Ýãñáøå: I agree wholeheartedly. Count me in it too. But let's agree about the products first. Which one of those are of common interest? Hi Guys, This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site and email them about it.) generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they start considing their lost market?? what do you guys think of this idea??? Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing. rgds Frank -- ## Mandrake-Linux 9.0 (Dolphin) Registered Linux User 271321 http://counter.li.org ## Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
my first response from a hardware manufacturer... This is a australian company with overseas offices... They go promptly into the Shame file. rgds Frank -- Hi Franki, Thank you for your message. With reference to your message, please note that we do not support the Linux operating system, even though our products MAY work on it. My advice to you is that if you want to try it, then go ahead, but please be aware that we will not be able to answer any technical questions on it. Best regards. Swann Communications Swann UK Technical Support Unit 6A Westmoreland House Cumberland Park 80 Scrubs Lane London NW10 6RE UK Phone +44 (020) 8964 9111 Fax +44 (020) 8964 9222 www.swann.com.au ftp.swann.com.au mailto:uksupport;swann.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Franki Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. Hi Guys, This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site and email them about it.) generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they start considing their lost market?? what do you guys think of this idea??? Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing. rgds Frank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [linux] RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
It wont achieve anything if we all concentrate on one manufacturer at a time. People ignore obviously orchestrated assaults like that. In fact it may annoy them and alienate them further. Surely, it would be better for each individual to choose three products a month at random. And, of course, if something especially annoys you then be sure to let them know that you'll be avoiding them in future. -- Richard Urwin, Private No 9000 series computer has ever made a mitsake or corrubiteddatatato. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Franki Sent: 13 November 2002 12:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [linux] RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. well, if you guys give me suggestions, I'll knock up a web page with them all on it, and email address's... and we can keep a numbering system so we know how many emails each manufacturer has received. Lets start a movement. :-) good idea? rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Dimitris Ioannou Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 6:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. 13 2002 11:06, / Franki : I agree wholeheartedly. Count me in it too. But let's agree about the products first. Which one of those are of common interest? Hi Guys, This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site and email them about it.) generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they start considing their lost market?? what do you guys think of this idea??? Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing. rgds Frank -- ## Mandrake-Linux 9.0 (Dolphin) Registered Linux User 271321 http://counter.li.org ## This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:06, Franki wrote: Hi Guys, This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site and email them about it.) generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they start considing their lost market?? what do you guys think of this idea??? Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing. rgds Frank Just keep in mind that those emails aren't going to even make it NEAR a top-level executive - they're handled by support staff - and upper management rarely, if ever, listens to support staff. Chances are that you're only going to piss off some under-paid, under-trained monkey that handles only email. Just stating the reality. Now, on the other hand, if you can obtain lists of top-level executives in said company structures, that would be a different story. (Or, if you want to get elaborate, hack their mail server and spam the hell out of the entire staff - but I shan't go there - I've promised to be a nice fella for a while). Stephen -- Thu Nov 14 09:00:00 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 Falling in love makes smoking pot all day look like the ultimate in restraint. -- Dave Sim, author of Cerebrus. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:06, Franki wrote: Hi Guys, This month, I have emailed 3 different hardware manufacturers asking if they had linux drivers for their product (I pick one product from their site and email them about it.) generally the answer in most cases is no.. but thats not the point, if we all send 2 or 3 of these emails a month,, how long would it be before they start considing their lost market?? what do you guys think of this idea??? Its a thought... and I think an important one. nothing is going to happen fast unless we start doing this sort of thing. rgds Frank Just keep in mind that those emails aren't going to even make it NEAR a top-level executive - they're handled by support staff - and upper management rarely, if ever, listens to support staff. Chances are that you're only going to piss off some under-paid, under-trained monkey that handles only email. Just stating the reality. Now, on the other hand, if you can obtain lists of top-level executives in said company structures, that would be a different story. (Or, if you want to get elaborate, hack their mail server and spam the hell out of the entire staff - but I shan't go there - I've promised to be a nice fella for a while). Stephen I beg to differ on that one.. I have worked for two of those win only companies.. in tech and sales.. and the management would find out if we got strange requests... if they get 50 linux driver requests a month.. the tech is gonna mention it to his superviser, who will mention it to his the some snooping boss will wander down and ask whats going on... It does happen... I worked for CEA (UMAX) and OCEAN (http://www.octek.com.hk/) and I was surprised at how much management did listen if they thought that there was an issue or money to be made Ocean has well over 5000 employees and has offices all over the world.. they are not a small company. and yet me as a lacky sales and tech guy in Au had several meetings with the manageing director when he was over. it really is surprising one email will do nothing, ten emails will do little, fifty emails and the tech guy will ask someone what to do about it.. then the ball starts rolling.. rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
I really need to be able to use my palm from my desktop and haven't figured out how to do it yet (another email subject). I had emailed palm about a linux version of thier desktop software and was told that they didn't have it and most likely wouldn't. If enough people emailed various companies maybe they would come up with linux versions of thier software. Walt - Original Message - I beg to differ on that one.. I have worked for two of those win only companies.. in tech and sales.. and the management would find out if we got strange requests... if they get 50 linux driver requests a month.. the tech is gonna mention it to his superviser, who will mention it to his the some snooping boss will wander down and ask whats going on... It does happen... I worked for CEA (UMAX) and OCEAN (http://www.octek.com.hk/) and I was surprised at how much management did listen if they thought that there was an issue or money to be made Ocean has well over 5000 employees and has offices all over the world.. they are not a small company. and yet me as a lacky sales and tech guy in Au had several meetings with the manageing director when he was over. it really is surprising one email will do nothing, ten emails will do little, fifty emails and the tech guy will ask someone what to do about it.. then the ball starts rolling.. rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:32, Franki wrote: one email will do nothing, ten emails will do little, fifty emails and the tech guy will ask someone what to do about it.. then the ball starts rolling.. OK you have convinced me. I am going to spend some time writing ATI a few words. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
common guys, I am compiling a list of companies that don't have linux drivers that are commonly asked for... you guys should tell me.. from now on, when i see an email about it, I will add them to the list.. then I can knock up a script that keeps tallies and helps the process along.. let me know hardware that you wish had linux drivers and pref their email address... I'll make up a script to help things along.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, 14 November 2002 11:42 AM To: newbie Subject: RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:32, Franki wrote: one email will do nothing, ten emails will do little, fifty emails and the tech guy will ask someone what to do about it.. then the ball starts rolling.. OK you have convinced me. I am going to spend some time writing ATI a few words. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
I've seen some palm connectivity software built into linux. I think it comes with the office workstation option in the install. I've never bothered to use it because I'm tied down to Outlook hehe. Whether it works with the serial cradle, usb cradle, or both is another issue. Hope this helps. Tony Castro __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 14:32, Franki wrote: I beg to differ on that one.. I have worked for two of those win only companies.. in tech and sales.. and the management would find out if we got strange requests... if they get 50 linux driver requests a month.. the tech is gonna mention it to his superviser, who will mention it to his the some snooping boss will wander down and ask whats going on... It does happen... I worked for CEA (UMAX) and OCEAN (http://www.octek.com.hk/) and I was surprised at how much management did listen if they thought that there was an issue or money to be made Ocean has well over 5000 employees and has offices all over the world.. they are not a small company. and yet me as a lacky sales and tech guy in Au had several meetings with the manageing director when he was over. it really is surprising one email will do nothing, ten emails will do little, fifty emails and the tech guy will ask someone what to do about it.. then the ball starts rolling.. rgds Franki Ah...so you're one of the dudes that wouldn't help me with my Umax scanner when I tried and tried and tried to get the damn thing to work under RH 7.1 !!! Bloody Aussies! (grin) -- Thu Nov 14 16:40:00 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. -- Friedrich Nietzsche Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
On November 13, 2002 09:40 pm, joe wrote: On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 22:15, Spencer wrote: On November 13, 2002 08:58 pm, Franki wrote: I take exception to anyone adding ATI to the list. Although ATI doesn't produce drivers themselves, they provide a great deal of information to the gatos and XFree developers on the various cards. The drivers that ATI have for Windows are no screaming hell and were one of the many reasons I switched to Linux 4 years ago. Most of the problems dealing with these cards is not ATI but Macromedia. I stand corrected. Its late and I'm tired;( I believe you mean macrovision: the copy protection scheme that ATI builds into their cards. If I remember correctly the information provided by ATI to gatos and XFree was incomplete because macrovision is proprietary; thus no stable ATI.2 drivers with TV-out, no Xfree driver with TV out. Also no DRI with my PCI radeon (32mb), I think perhaps that one is related to a bug in the radeon driver rather than a lack of information from ATI. Check out the gatos-development list sometime and you will see what I mean. My 2 cents, change please ;-) Spence its in the list, along with most of their other newer cards rgds frank keep em coming.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Chad Sent: Thursday, 14 November 2002 12:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. Please add the ATI All-In-Wonder cards to your list (all versions). These are wonderful cards cheap too. They provide a whole movie studio on a video card. Cable TV IN, S Composite Video IN OUT, Audio IN OUT, Monitor out. The software that comes with these cards for Windows is great. Sure with I had it to work with in Linux. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Franki Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. common guys, I am compiling a list of companies that don't have linux drivers that are commonly asked for... you guys should tell me.. from now on, when i see an email about it, I will add them to the list.. then I can knock up a script that keeps tallies and helps the process along.. let me know hardware that you wish had linux drivers and pref their email address... I'll make up a script to help things along.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, 14 November 2002 11:42 AM To: newbie Subject: RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:32, Franki wrote: one email will do nothing, ten emails will do little, fifty emails and the tech guy will ask someone what to do about it.. then the ball starts rolling.. OK you have convinced me. I am going to spend some time writing ATI a few words. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
strange, most of the umax scanners work fine with linux.. what was your scanner??? rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Thursday, 14 November 2002 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 14:32, Franki wrote: I beg to differ on that one.. I have worked for two of those win only companies.. in tech and sales.. and the management would find out if we got strange requests... if they get 50 linux driver requests a month.. the tech is gonna mention it to his superviser, who will mention it to his the some snooping boss will wander down and ask whats going on... It does happen... I worked for CEA (UMAX) and OCEAN (http://www.octek.com.hk/) and I was surprised at how much management did listen if they thought that there was an issue or money to be made Ocean has well over 5000 employees and has offices all over the world.. they are not a small company. and yet me as a lacky sales and tech guy in Au had several meetings with the manageing director when he was over. it really is surprising one email will do nothing, ten emails will do little, fifty emails and the tech guy will ask someone what to do about it.. then the ball starts rolling.. rgds Franki Ah...so you're one of the dudes that wouldn't help me with my Umax scanner when I tried and tried and tried to get the damn thing to work under RH 7.1 !!! Bloody Aussies! (grin) -- Thu Nov 14 16:40:00 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. -- Friedrich Nietzsche Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers.
14 2002 06:58, / Franki : Franki Please add DXR3 DVD-Decoder Card of Creative too. I know there is a Linux reverse-engineered driver but it's hard stuff for a newbie to get it working. Plus, there is no gui-application to make it work under Linux. I know many people who have these cards (me too), 'cause they're cheap Creative is not so friendly with Linux. its in the list, along with most of their other newer cards rgds frank keep em coming.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad Sent: Thursday, 14 November 2002 12:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. Please add the ATI All-In-Wonder cards to your list (all versions). These are wonderful cards cheap too. They provide a whole movie studio on a video card. Cable TV IN, S Composite Video IN OUT, Audio IN OUT, Monitor out. The software that comes with these cards for Windows is great. Sure with I had it to work with in Linux. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franki Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. common guys, I am compiling a list of companies that don't have linux drivers that are commonly asked for... you guys should tell me.. from now on, when i see an email about it, I will add them to the list.. then I can knock up a script that keeps tallies and helps the process along.. let me know hardware that you wish had linux drivers and pref their email address... I'll make up a script to help things along.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, 14 November 2002 11:42 AM To: newbie Subject: RE: [newbie] Lets help get some linux drivers. On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:32, Franki wrote: one email will do nothing, ten emails will do little, fifty emails and the tech guy will ask someone what to do about it.. then the ball starts rolling.. OK you have convinced me. I am going to spend some time writing ATI a few words. -- ## Mandrake-Linux 9.0 (Dolphin) Registered Linux User 271321 http://counter.li.org ## Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
