Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 10:10, David T Battler wrote: > Too Much Reading between The Lines With One Another's Thoughts, > Motives, Actions is Bad For Your Health. You guys should all stick to > Linux Discussions. I would enjoy that more, and learn something more > worthwhile. Point taken. Now please don't send in html. Second of all your computer's date is off. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 03:16, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: > On September 14, 2004 07:03, Lanman wrote: > > Stephen Kühn wrote: > > > They're a fiendish, murdering, pillaging lot, they are. Rape, murder and > > > steal. Entire villages at that. Swindlers unlike no other. Ruffians and > > > roughnecks; beating up old women for their pension money. Taking not > > > only candy from babies, but embezzling Canadians out of their jelly > > > donuts and bacon... > > > > > > -- > > > stephen kuhn - proprietor > > > > Wait a sec! We've been getting hosed on our doughnuts and bacon? When > > did this happen? Why didn't someone send me a memo on this? GRRR! This > > is much more disastrous than anything else that Stephen has ever said > > before! Where are these Debian people? I say that all Canadians should > > rise up in revolt and fight back! At least they didn't try to steal our > > toques! Then we'd have to get really pissed! > > > > Memo to all Canadians - Let's meet at Tim Horton's to plan a strategy. > > I'm buying! LOL! > > Yeah, we need our doughnuts and bacon. It gets cold up here, and a good layer > of blubber helps keep us warm! Was that a Freudian slip indicative of your obesity? -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. What kind of love is that? Not to be loved; never to have shown love. -- Commissioner Nancy Hedford, "Metamorphosis", stardate 3219.8 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:17, JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 10:56, Lanman wrote: JoeHill wrote: So, are you taking over Lyvim's arrogant side now? I don't think anyone is arguing with his point of view anyhow, *he's* arguing against a point *that no one made*, at least in this thread. What it is with you Joe? Are you determined to piss somebody off today? Did you wake up and decide that this was a good day to annoy and insult someone again? Don't disguise your insult by making it sound like you're kidding. The "" notation will only allow you to get away with things to a certain extent. I was simply agreeing with Lyvim, who's opinions I happen to respect. Virtually everything he says is right on target IMNSHO. And I wasn't replying to you in particular but was replying to the whole list. Why would you feel that you need to reply to my one comment and insult Lyvim at the same time, while assuming that Lyvim or I were arguing any points at all with anyone at all? He was merely offering his point of view. I was agreeing with him and with the fact that it would be difficult to refute his opinion. That's it. Move on. Get over it. You know, for an old fart you can be pretty grumpy sometimes. You're always trying to pick a fight with someone, and you seem to think it's appreciated. It's like having a house guest that tries to take over the household, only you try to do it with your opinions and when that fails you insult people. Here's a news flash for ya Joe. It's doesn't make you a better person when you put others down, it makes you less than them, BECAUSE you put them down. Perhaps you should forward a list to us outlining what things you'd like to defend, comment or argue about and we'll just avoid those items from now on, OK? It'll make life a lot simpler for all of us. Or maybe we can just start a new "Joe" mailing list instead of an "Off-Topic" list. Then anyone who wants to hear your insults and condescending assumptions would be able to go there to get their daily dose of "Joe". While I'm at it, give us a break on the List Nazi stuff, OK? Netiquette is intended to be a guideline and most people will comply or will be told by others about what they should or shouldn't do on the list. More often than not, you seem to come across as rude or obnoxious about it, and that will send people off to other lists or distros. More and more, we're seeing newbies show up who have never even been on a list before, and aren't even aware that there are considerations to make when dealing with this list, but a suggestion to help them set up their emails client is always better than a link and a terse message. Work on those "People Skills" will ya? Give it a rest, Dude. Jeez! Who pissed in your Corn Flakes this morning? On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:56:46 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: ...aand once again: *plonk* Oh well, it was nice while it lasted, but bozos are bozos I guess. Only *you* had the power to crystallize the irony in that statement to the hardness of tungsten steel. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Too Much Reading between The Lines With One Another's Thoughts, Motives, Actions is Bad For Your Health. You guys should all stick to Linux Discussions. I would enjoy that more, and learn something more worthwhile.
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:17, JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 10:56, Lanman wrote: > > JoeHill wrote: > > > > > So, are you taking over Lyvim's arrogant side now? > > > > > > I don't think anyone is arguing with his point of view anyhow, *he's* arguing > > > against a point *that no one made*, at least in this thread. > > > > What it is with you Joe? Are you determined to piss somebody off today? > > Did you wake up and decide that this was a good day to annoy and insult > > someone again? > > > > Don't disguise your insult by making it sound like you're kidding. The > > "" notation will only allow you to get away with things to a certain > > extent. > > > > I was simply agreeing with Lyvim, who's opinions I happen to respect. > > Virtually everything he says is right on target IMNSHO. And I wasn't > > replying to you in particular but was replying to the whole list. Why > > would you feel that you need to reply to my one comment and insult Lyvim > > at the same time, while assuming that Lyvim or I were arguing any points > > at all with anyone at all? He was merely offering his point of view. I > > was agreeing with him and with the fact that it would be difficult to > > refute his opinion. That's it. Move on. Get over it. > > > > You know, for an old fart you can be pretty grumpy sometimes. You're > > always trying to pick a fight with someone, and you seem to think it's > > appreciated. It's like having a house guest that tries to take over the > > household, only you try to do it with your opinions and when that fails > > you insult people. Here's a news flash for ya Joe. It's doesn't make you > > a better person when you put others down, it makes you less than them, > > BECAUSE you put them down. > > > > Perhaps you should forward a list to us outlining what things you'd like > > to defend, comment or argue about and we'll just avoid those items from > > now on, OK? It'll make life a lot simpler for all of us. Or maybe we can > > just start a new "Joe" mailing list instead of an "Off-Topic" list. Then > > anyone who wants to hear your insults and condescending assumptions > > would be able to go there to get their daily dose of "Joe". > > > > While I'm at it, give us a break on the List Nazi stuff, OK? Netiquette > > is intended to be a guideline and most people will comply or will be > > told by others about what they should or shouldn't do on the list. More > > often than not, you seem to come across as rude or obnoxious about it, > > and that will send people off to other lists or distros. > > > > More and more, we're seeing newbies show up who have never even been on > > a list before, and aren't even aware that there are considerations to > > make when dealing with this list, but a suggestion to help them set up > > their emails client is always better than a link and a terse message. > > Work on those "People Skills" will ya? > > > > Give it a rest, Dude. Jeez! Who pissed in your Corn Flakes this morning? > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:56:46 -0400 > Lanman disseminated the following: > > > > ...aand once again: *plonk* > > Oh well, it was nice while it lasted, but bozos are bozos I guess. Only *you* had the power to crystallize the irony in that statement to the hardness of tungsten steel. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: On September 14, 2004 07:03, Lanman wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: They're a fiendish, murdering, pillaging lot, they are. Rape, murder and steal. Entire villages at that. Swindlers unlike no other. Ruffians and roughnecks; beating up old women for their pension money. Taking not only candy from babies, but embezzling Canadians out of their jelly donuts and bacon... -- stephen kuhn - proprietor Wait a sec! We've been getting hosed on our doughnuts and bacon? When did this happen? Why didn't someone send me a memo on this? GRRR! This is much more disastrous than anything else that Stephen has ever said before! Where are these Debian people? I say that all Canadians should rise up in revolt and fight back! At least they didn't try to steal our toques! Then we'd have to get really pissed! Memo to all Canadians - Let's meet at Tim Horton's to plan a strategy. I'm buying! LOL! Yeah, we need our doughnuts and bacon. It gets cold up here, and a good layer of blubber helps keep us warm! Hey Ron! Where you at? I see that you're on Shaw Cable, but which part of the country? -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On September 14, 2004 07:03, Lanman wrote: > Stephen Kühn wrote: > > They're a fiendish, murdering, pillaging lot, they are. Rape, murder and > > steal. Entire villages at that. Swindlers unlike no other. Ruffians and > > roughnecks; beating up old women for their pension money. Taking not > > only candy from babies, but embezzling Canadians out of their jelly > > donuts and bacon... > > > > -- > > stephen kuhn - proprietor > > Wait a sec! We've been getting hosed on our doughnuts and bacon? When > did this happen? Why didn't someone send me a memo on this? GRRR! This > is much more disastrous than anything else that Stephen has ever said > before! Where are these Debian people? I say that all Canadians should > rise up in revolt and fight back! At least they didn't try to steal our > toques! Then we'd have to get really pissed! > > Memo to all Canadians - Let's meet at Tim Horton's to plan a strategy. > I'm buying! LOL! Yeah, we need our doughnuts and bacon. It gets cold up here, and a good layer of blubber helps keep us warm! -- Ron Hunter-Duvar ronhd at users dot sourceforge dot net Opinions expressed here are all mine. Rights to use these opinions are granted under the GNU GPL. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:56:46 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: ...aand once again: *plonk* Oh well, it was nice while it lasted, but bozos are bozos I guess. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 13:15:13 up 41 days, 13:01, 4 users, load average: 0.17, 0.11, 0.03 +++ "Wars such as those which have occurred in Iraq only allow hatred, violence and terror to proliferate." -- Spain's prime minister-elect, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:09:02 +1000 Stephen Kühn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So they're socialists; communists. Ok...I get the picture after all > these years now... > Not really, freedom has nothing to do with socialism...anyway...I would choose Mandrake for its simplicity anyway...but then FreeBSD has my complete vote over all /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tuesday 14 September 2004 04:49 am, Stephen Kühn wrote: > On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:39, M.Schild wrote: > > > Mandrake can't do that, because they make their money off selling > > > memberships and the distro itself, so they need to create regular > > > releases. > > > > How does Debian make their money? > > maryse > > They're a fiendish, murdering, pillaging lot, they are. Rape, murder and > steal. Entire villages at that. Swindlers unlike no other. Ruffians and > roughnecks; beating up old women for their pension money. Taking not > only candy from babies, but embezzling Canadians out of their jelly > donuts and bacon... Where can I sign up :-D > > -- > stephen kuhn - proprietor > __ > illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture > http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 > Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW > __ > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents > __ > Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. > > Men who cherish for women the highest respect are seldom popular with > them. -- Joseph Addison Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tuesday 14 September 2004 05:09 am, Stephen Kühn wrote: > On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 21:56, Anders Lind wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:39:25 +0200 > > > > "M.Schild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How does Debian make their money? > > > maryse > > > > Debian is not a company and they don't have the goal to make money. Take > > a look at http://www.debian.org and their social contract. > > > > /Anders > > So they're socialists; communists. Ok...I get the picture after all > these years now... No think of them as an advocacy group > > -- > stephen kuhn - proprietor > __ > illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture > http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 > Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW > __ > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents > __ > Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. > > "Daddy, Daddy, make Santa Claus go away!" "I can't, son; he's grown too > powerful." "HO HO HO!" -- Duck's Breath Mystery Theatre Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 04:09, frankieh wrote: > I think in some ways Debian has it all over Mandrake (and SUSE and REDHAT).. > As an example, I can load Debian Woody on a machine, (woody is a couple > of years old) > And then use sources like "backports.org" to load the newest packages I > need on that old linux. > > The result is an extremely stable platform that works exactly as you > need it to, without having to upgrade the machine at least every year, > or compiling stuff from scratch each time a new version comes out. > > Mandrake can't do that, because they make their money off selling > memberships and the distro itself, so they need to create regular releases. > > Its sad, because I love the mandrake layout, but I've slowly been > changing all the servers I am in charge of over to Debian from mandrake. That's the first good reason I've heard to use Debian. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 10:30, Lanman wrote: > Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 09:03, Lanman wrote: > > > >>Stephen Kühn wrote: > >> > >>>They're a fiendish, murdering, pillaging lot, they are. Rape, murder and > >>>steal. Entire villages at that. Swindlers unlike no other. Ruffians and > >>>roughnecks; beating up old women for their pension money. Taking not > >>>only candy from babies, but embezzling Canadians out of their jelly > >>>donuts and bacon... > >>> > >>>-- > >>>stephen kuhn - proprietor > >> > >>Wait a sec! We've been getting hosed on our doughnuts and bacon? When > >>did this happen? Why didn't someone send me a memo on this? GRRR! This > >>is much more disastrous than anything else that Stephen has ever said > >>before! > > > > > > lmao > > > > > >> Where are these Debian people? I say that all Canadians should > >>rise up in revolt and fight back! At least they didn't try to steal our > >>toques! Then we'd have to get really pissed! > >> > >>Memo to all Canadians - Let's meet at Tim Horton's to plan a strategy. > >>I'm buying! LOL! > > > > > > Can an American come to act as sternographer? :) > > > > LX > > You're always welcome here Lyvim. I'll even supply the pen and paper. Thanks my friend. :) LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:52:26 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: You can argue with Lyvim's point of view, but only if you like being wrong. So, are you taking over Lyvim's arrogant side now? I don't think anyone is arguing with his point of view anyhow, *he's* arguing against a point *that no one made*, at least in this thread. What it is with you Joe? Are you determined to piss somebody off today? Did you wake up and decide that this was a good day to annoy and insult someone again? Don't disguise your insult by making it sound like you're kidding. The "" notation will only allow you to get away with things to a certain extent. I was simply agreeing with Lyvim, who's opinions I happen to respect. Virtually everything he says is right on target IMNSHO. And I wasn't replying to you in particular but was replying to the whole list. Why would you feel that you need to reply to my one comment and insult Lyvim at the same time, while assuming that Lyvim or I were arguing any points at all with anyone at all? He was merely offering his point of view. I was agreeing with him and with the fact that it would be difficult to refute his opinion. That's it. Move on. Get over it. You know, for an old fart you can be pretty grumpy sometimes. You're always trying to pick a fight with someone, and you seem to think it's appreciated. It's like having a house guest that tries to take over the household, only you try to do it with your opinions and when that fails you insult people. Here's a news flash for ya Joe. It's doesn't make you a better person when you put others down, it makes you less than them, BECAUSE you put them down. Perhaps you should forward a list to us outlining what things you'd like to defend, comment or argue about and we'll just avoid those items from now on, OK? It'll make life a lot simpler for all of us. Or maybe we can just start a new "Joe" mailing list instead of an "Off-Topic" list. Then anyone who wants to hear your insults and condescending assumptions would be able to go there to get their daily dose of "Joe". While I'm at it, give us a break on the List Nazi stuff, OK? Netiquette is intended to be a guideline and most people will comply or will be told by others about what they should or shouldn't do on the list. More often than not, you seem to come across as rude or obnoxious about it, and that will send people off to other lists or distros. More and more, we're seeing newbies show up who have never even been on a list before, and aren't even aware that there are considerations to make when dealing with this list, but a suggestion to help them set up their emails client is always better than a link and a terse message. Work on those "People Skills" will ya? Give it a rest, Dude. Jeez! Who pissed in your Corn Flakes this morning? -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
> > How does Debian make their money? > > maryse > > They're a fiendish, murdering, pillaging lot, they are. Rape, murder and > steal. Entire villages at that. Swindlers unlike no other. Ruffians and > roughnecks; beating up old women for their pension money. Taking not > only candy from babies, but embezzling Canadians out of their jelly > donuts and bacon... Fine with me...as long as they stay in Canada ;-) Maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 09:35, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:52:26 -0400 > Lanman disseminated the following: > > > You can argue with Lyvim's point of view, but only if you like being > > wrong. > > So, are you taking over Lyvim's arrogant side now? > > I don't think anyone is arguing with his point of view anyhow, *he's* arguing > against a point *that no one made*, at least in this thread. It's called an observation. By definition that cannot be called an argument; and as I already pointed out my response should have been taken as adjunct and not comparative. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:39:25 +0200 "M.Schild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How does Debian make their money? > maryse Debian is not a company and they don't have the goal to make money. Take a look at http://www.debian.org and their social contract. /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
> Mandrake can't do that, because they make their money off selling > memberships and the distro itself, so they need to create regular releases. How does Debian make their money? maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 23:34, JoeHill wrote: > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:05:41 -0700 > aron Smith disseminated the following: > > > > Joe: > > > Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a copy of Suse, doesn't it? Resist > > > the urge. > > Tried SUSE didn't work near as good as mandrake > > Shite, it doesn't even come with DeCSS, so you can't play/rip DVD's. What a > bunch of wankers. If I *was* going to switch it would definitely be to Debian or > to a Debian-based distro like Libranet or Xandros, those that, like Mandrake, > aim at pleasing the user, not some draconian and corrupt legislators who came up > with the DMCA. I havent' really seen any huge advantage in Debian except in gathering together a group of self interested narcissistic users that think they're better than everyone else. That's when compared to Mandrake. My personal take on Linux is that you handle the installation problems first, make them as foolproof as possible, handle as much hardware as possible, then add the user gui interfaces for the less technically capable, and then after all that is said and done, the user still has the opportunity to become a more technical user if they like. The CLI and other deeper features of Linux will always be there for technical users who want to delve into deeper layers of sophistication. This propaganda that there are more "technical" versions of linux out there is a bunch of tripe. There are not any "more technical" versions available, only versions that are harder to use and require more expertise. The technical aspects of all Linux versions are essentially the same; it is only the ease of installation and hardware detection that is better or worse. I tend to think that other distros advertise themselves as "technical" just for the reason that they don't allocate the developer resources to the installation and hardware configuration challenges to the degree that Mandrake does. Mandrake just adds a layer, and it doesn't remove any layers. It's an elitist cop out. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 22:05, aron Smith wrote: > On Monday 13 September 2004 04:18 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > On Monday 13 September 2004 04:14 pm, JoeHill wrote: > > > The next time someone tries to come at you with the old 'well, Microsoft > > > has helped the economy by creating jobs and expanding IT' crap, you can > > > throw a number back in their face: $60 Billion. That's how much MS has > > > sucked out of the IT industry, sitting on it's hoard like a Great Worm: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/5ford > > > > > > Best part: > > > > > > "A Microsoft representative was not immediately available for comment." > > > > Joe: > > Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a copy of Suse, doesn't it? Resist > > the urge. > Tried SUSE didn't work near as good as mandrake Not surprising. And exactly what I would expect. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:05:41 -0700 aron Smith disseminated the following: Joe: Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a copy of Suse, doesn't it? Resist the urge. Tried SUSE didn't work near as good as mandrake Shite, it doesn't even come with DeCSS, so you can't play/rip DVD's. What a bunch of wankers. If I *was* going to switch it would definitely be to Debian or to a Debian-based distro like Libranet or Xandros, those that, like Mandrake, aim at pleasing the user, not some draconian and corrupt legislators who came up with the DMCA. I think in some ways Debian has it all over Mandrake (and SUSE and REDHAT).. As an example, I can load Debian Woody on a machine, (woody is a couple of years old) And then use sources like "backports.org" to load the newest packages I need on that old linux. The result is an extremely stable platform that works exactly as you need it to, without having to upgrade the machine at least every year, or compiling stuff from scratch each time a new version comes out. Mandrake can't do that, because they make their money off selling memberships and the distro itself, so they need to create regular releases. Its sad, because I love the mandrake layout, but I've slowly been changing all the servers I am in charge of over to Debian from mandrake. -- rgds Franki http://htmlfixit.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Tuesday 14 Sep 2004 4:34 am, JoeHill wrote: > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:05:41 -0700 > > aron Smith disseminated the following: > > > Joe: > > > Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a copy of Suse, doesn't > > > it? Resist the urge. > > > > Tried SUSE didn't work near as good as mandrake > > Shite, it doesn't even come with DeCSS, so you can't play/rip DVD's. > What a bunch of wankers. If I *was* going to switch it would > definitely be to Debian or to a Debian-based distro like Libranet or > Xandros, those that, like Mandrake, aim at pleasing the user, not > some draconian and corrupt legislators who came up with the DMCA. Probably something to do with where your head office is based. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:05:41 -0700 aron Smith disseminated the following: > > Joe: > > Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a copy of Suse, doesn't it? Resist > > the urge. > Tried SUSE didn't work near as good as mandrake Shite, it doesn't even come with DeCSS, so you can't play/rip DVD's. What a bunch of wankers. If I *was* going to switch it would definitely be to Debian or to a Debian-based distro like Libranet or Xandros, those that, like Mandrake, aim at pleasing the user, not some draconian and corrupt legislators who came up with the DMCA. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 23:28:22 up 40 days, 23:14, 4 users, load average: 1.18, 1.21, 1.18 +++ "The Chretien government's decision not to enter the Iraq war is a defining moment in Canada's foreign-policy history. It is now supported, according to a recent CBC poll, by a staggering 79 per cent of the population." -- Globe and Mail, June 3, 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Monday 13 September 2004 04:18 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Monday 13 September 2004 04:14 pm, JoeHill wrote: > > The next time someone tries to come at you with the old 'well, Microsoft > > has helped the economy by creating jobs and expanding IT' crap, you can > > throw a number back in their face: $60 Billion. That's how much MS has > > sucked out of the IT industry, sitting on it's hoard like a Great Worm: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/5ford > > > > Best part: > > > > "A Microsoft representative was not immediately available for comment." > > Joe: > Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a copy of Suse, doesn't it? Resist > the urge. Tried SUSE didn't work near as good as mandrake > -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Monday 13 September 2004 04:14 pm, JoeHill wrote: > The next time someone tries to come at you with the old 'well, Microsoft > has helped the economy by creating jobs and expanding IT' crap, you can > throw a number back in their face: $60 Billion. That's how much MS has > sucked out of the IT industry, sitting on it's hoard like a Great Worm: > > http://tinyurl.com/5ford > > Best part: > > "A Microsoft representative was not immediately available for comment." Joe: Kinda makes you want to go out and buy a copy of Suse, doesn't it? Resist the urge. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:22:49 -0400 Ryan Steffes disseminated the following: > Cause Novell is the unbiased source for quotes on Microsoft! LOL! Well, I think they showed they are in fact *quite* unbiased: "But despite Novell's vociferous support for everything open source--which included Messman running the graphics for his keynote speech off a Linux machine--the company has said it will continue to support Windows for the foreseeable future. "With a 94 percent market share, we are not going to abandon Windows--that would be foolhardy. But we do think the market will abandon Windows at some point. We will maintain a commitment to the Windows environment for as long as customers want us to," said Alan Nugent, Novell's chief technology officer." -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 16:34:07 up 40 days, 16:19, 8 users, load average: 0.17, 0.18, 0.45 +++ "President Bush is asking Congress for $80 billion dollars to rebuild Iraq. And when you make out that check, remember there are two L's in Halliburton." -- David Letterman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:14:45 -0400, JoeHill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The next time someone tries to come at you with the old 'well, Microsoft has > helped the economy by creating jobs and expanding IT' crap, you can throw a > number back in their face: $60 Billion. That's how much MS has sucked out of the > IT industry, sitting on it's hoard like a Great Worm: > > http://tinyurl.com/5ford > > Best part: > > "A Microsoft representative was not immediately available for comment." > > -- > JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org > 16:09:03 up 40 days, 15:54, 8 users, load average: 1.31, 1.29, 1.27 > +++ > "True communication is possible only between equals, because inferiors are more > consistently rewarded for telling their superiors pleasant lies than for telling > the truth." -- The SNAFU Principle > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com > > > > Cause Novell is the unbiased source for quotes on Microsoft! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS an economic vampire
Yeah, this is what I've been trying to tell people for years. But most don't quite understand that in Redmond resides a lot of money that could've been directed towards REAL innovation instead of MS's "innovation". This results in ugly things the Experience Music Project. Watch the upcoming video: "Paul Allen & Bill Gate - Nerds without Taste Gone Wild". JoeHill wrote: The next time someone tries to come at you with the old 'well, Microsoft has helped the economy by creating jobs and expanding IT' crap, you can throw a number back in their face: $60 Billion. That's how much MS has sucked out of the IT industry, sitting on it's hoard like a Great Worm: http://tinyurl.com/5ford Best part: "A Microsoft representative was not immediately available for comment." Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] MS an economic vampire
The next time someone tries to come at you with the old 'well, Microsoft has helped the economy by creating jobs and expanding IT' crap, you can throw a number back in their face: $60 Billion. That's how much MS has sucked out of the IT industry, sitting on it's hoard like a Great Worm: http://tinyurl.com/5ford Best part: "A Microsoft representative was not immediately available for comment." -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 16:09:03 up 40 days, 15:54, 8 users, load average: 1.31, 1.29, 1.27 +++ "True communication is possible only between equals, because inferiors are more consistently rewarded for telling their superiors pleasant lies than for telling the truth." -- The SNAFU Principle Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
