Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 10:06, Tom Brinkman wrote: What motherboard? IIRC, you've got a i875somethin chipset? Looks like sensors doesn't like it. As the error message suggests, did you try 'selective' probes? You might need to just keep doin that by trial'n error to see if you get thru the tests. OTOH, some motherboards don't support the i2c/SMbus (hardware monitoring). Many ready made or OEM boards don't. The acid test is if you see temps, fan speeds and voltages in bios. If you don't the board probly doesn't support monitoring. If you do, it definitely does. You might need to go to their homepage for more info http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ THx ya the bios shows temps Stuff... I have an i875 IIRC yes..ty Tom I will check their page. :) I'll get back to you luv. Femmes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 06:43, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2003 05:20 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: Ran your cpuburn...but couldn't for the life of me get gkrellm to show me any temps. Said it couldn't fnd any. Did you (as root) run sensors-detect and follow the instructions first? Gkrellm uses lmsensors for its data. No I did not... didn't know I had to... went to do it while stoned...gave up. sigh.. and the questions it asked me were confusing. Do i need GKrellm installed to use lm-sensors?? no?yes? help? all I did was: cpuburn -60 (ran it 60Mins) it came out fine. I hope thats how you use it...I read the readme..thats all it said to do. FemmesStoned(again) That doesn't sound like the cpuburn I used. Its commands are: burnBX burnK6 burnMMX burnP5 burnP6 depending on what CPU you are using. I got mine from the Mandrake CDs. The package was named: cpuburn-1.4-3mdk Just do a urpmi cpuburn Femme - it should work. ya i installed that one ... the one i found i provided a url for...diff package... same name tho? ...wtf? FreakyFemme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 21:49, Dennis Myers wrote: SNip Uh, how about typing YES instead of just y? Looks like that is what it is looking for. HTH seems it worked..wasn't hung but didn't find any sensors. :( sigh oh well i give up Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Friday 29 August 2003 10:04 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: No I did not... didn't know I had to... went to do it while stoned...gave up. sigh.. and the questions it asked me were confusing. Do i need GKrellm installed to use lm-sensors?? no?yes? help? No, with lm-sensors installed (correctly) you can just type in sensors and get a report. Gkrellm is much nicer to look at though. :-) You need to let sensors-detect work its magic - just follow the prompts, its not that hard. You will have to cut 'n paste a few commands to other places, but if I can do it, you can. :-) ya i installed that one ... the one i found i provided a url for...diff package... same name tho? ...wtf? FreakyFemme Must be a different one then. Oh well, you should wind up with 5-6 burn commands. Just type burn and hit tab to see which ones show up. You have to use the one for your CPU though. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Friday August 29 2003 09:21 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: We are now going to do the adapter probings. Some adapters may hang halfway through; we can't really help that. Also, some chips will be double detected; we choose the one with the highest confidence value in that case. If you found that the adapter hung after probing a certain address, you can specify that address to remain unprobed. That often includes address 0x69 (clock chip). Next adapter: Velleman K8000 (Bit-shift algorithm) Do you want to scan it? (YES/no/selectively): y It hangs / stops there. Idea? help? Never done this before...rtfm? anything? FF What motherboard? IIRC, you've got a i875somethin chipset? Looks like sensors doesn't like it. As the error message suggests, did you try 'selective' probes? You might need to just keep doin that by trial'n error to see if you get thru the tests. OTOH, some motherboards don't support the i2c/SMbus (hardware monitoring). Many ready made or OEM boards don't. The acid test is if you see temps, fan speeds and voltages in bios. If you don't the board probly doesn't support monitoring. If you do, it definitely does. You might need to go to their homepage for more info http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday 28 August 2003 05:20 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: Ran your cpuburn...but couldn't for the life of me get gkrellm to show me any temps. Said it couldn't fnd any. Did you (as root) run sensors-detect and follow the instructions first? Gkrellm uses lmsensors for its data. all I did was: cpuburn -60 (ran it 60Mins) it came out fine. I hope thats how you use it...I read the readme..thats all it said to do. FemmesStoned(again) That doesn't sound like the cpuburn I used. Its commands are: burnBX burnK6 burnMMX burnP5 burnP6 depending on what CPU you are using. I got mine from the Mandrake CDs. The package was named: cpuburn-1.4-3mdk Just do a urpmi cpuburn Femme - it should work. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock! - or how to overlook the obvious
Well I got a full health check from my supplier, and he also could find nothing wrong with the hardware. Since it could happen with nothing at all open in windows and my granddaughter actually out of the room it seemed fairly safe to say that it probably wasn't software. I checked out whether the power supply fan could be blasting against a barrier, but that wasn't the problem, so I talked to the tech guy about any other factors that I may have missed. He said that the only thing he could think of that I hadn't covered was dirty power - possible spikes. On checking I find she doesn't have any surge protection fitted, so could it be the washing machine changing to spin cycle? I think it could, so it's out to buy surge protection now. All of this has made me wonder if it is something similar that's causing my router box to go haywire, too. That is not properly protected either, so I guess it's time to go through the whole lan and see what else isn't covered before I shop. Just thought it might be a useful thought to anyone else troubleshooting. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday August 28 2003 04:25 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:21, Tom Brinkman wrote: snip run the appropriate 'burn' module on your (her) system, it's not stable IMO. Many store bought (ready made) computers won't pass. Any laptop surely won't. There's no reportin, the system either stays up or fails. Usually just a spontaneous reboot. CPU temp monitoring durin the test is almost imperative. If it gets too high, Ctrl+C will abort the test. For ready mades an laptops, I'd suggest a lengthly run of mprime-17, the torture test. That's as close as you'll get. These tools, mprime an cpuburn, are old overclockers tools to test stability. Not really a check for Winblows faults. Hm...just went to the link you provided... I used a diff cpuburn program I guess. I found it originally thru google IIRC here: http://users.bigpond.net.au/cpuburn/ is that not the same program!? Confuzzled Femme 'urpmi cpuburn' The Mandrake rpm is on your CD's and on the mirrors. cpuburn-1.4-4mdk [tom /tom] $ burn burnBX burnK6 burnK7 burnMMX burnP5 burnP6 IIRC, you've got a Intel cpu, so use 'burnP6' -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Overclock!
Keep in mind my usual advice on this list is that hardware needs to be eliminated from any problems, specially if it's a ready made, in the first place. OC'd or not. OTOH, if it's there, RUN IT!! Windoze reviews: the current darlings are the nforce an newer KT 400a/600 chipset boards runnin AMD XP's. P4's are bitin the dust, still no decent chipsets to run on. OTOH, are these winsux reviews applicable to Linux? As far as chipsets go yes an no. nforce* chipset boards have several unresolved issues with Linux, gcc, an GNU. Forget anything SiS. As far as Winblows reviews on hardware sites, disregard, IMO, is usually the better idea. They have little to do with a real OS. So, just a report. I changed out a tired an old oc'd 1.4 Athlon (1.553g) on a Soyo KT133a chipset with sdram, for an XP 3000+ with Kingston DDR400 on an Aopen AK77-400 Max with a KT400a chipset. Didn't really wanna but the ancient (8 years!) ram was startin to fsck'up on the old mobo. Run hard, put up wet. Might'a been the cpu L caches anyhow... Pulled the case out from under the table, changed out the motherboard/ram/cpu. What'a heck, tryin boot. .. No problemo, harddisk recognized a differnet NIC (now onboard), different AC97, now 5.1 surround, and 9.2 cooker went about it's business. No disruption for aDSL or sound. HDD's love the new board /cpu/ram/ controllers. So went to testin and clockin. The Kingston ram was a convienice. I got it bundled with the cpu/mobo. It was a variable, even a concern since it's only sold by Mwave as Cas 3 DDR ram. After several weeks testin tho, the ram has performed flawlessly at Cas2.5, Ras/Cas 2, pre-Charge 2, at 2-bank, now DDR427. Way over it's specs. Ram is what'll do, an I'm not sure I've found the top of this Kingston yet. Still, I wish I'd gone to the trouble of gettin Crucial or Corsair. Currently (as I type), the XP is at 2301mhz (13x177, 354 FSB, PCI 35.2mhz) and rock steady. I keep inchin it up. Might go a bit or more further. I haven't tried reducin the multiplier and goin to a 200+ FSB yet. I reckon I'm better off stay'in with oc'd 166@ 177 since the PCI is only out'a spec @ 35.2mhz, an the AGP is just over 70mhz. Some view this mistakenly as overclocked. It's not. It's just out'a spec. Damn nVidia card was complain, but recent cooker updates to XFree86 cooled that off. (XFree86-4.3-19mdk) I know y'all believe memtest86 is _THE_ test, an I confess I run it first too. But it's a weak test. It sort'a sux. Better is mprime's #17, the torture test. Harder still, the acid test is, cpuburn's 'burnK7'. One or two passes with memtest is a breeze, run mprime's torture test thru test #1800 or so, run burnK7 for 25 minutes . then you know your hardware is stable. So far I am with an XP core at 2301, CL2.5-2-2-2 DDR427. So I gott'a XP Whatever (3600+?) that RUNS like a scalded ape. Glibc compiles are a lot shorter ;) No Winsux ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 01:22, Tom Brinkman wrote: Keep in mind my usual advice on this list is that hardware needs to be eliminated from any problems, specially if it's a ready made, in the first place. OC'd or not. OTOH, if it's there, RUN IT!! Windoze reviews: the current darlings are the nforce an newer KT 400a/600 chipset boards runnin AMD XP's. P4's are bitin the dust, still no decent chipsets to run on. OTOH, are these winsux reviews applicable to Linux? As far as chipsets go yes an no. nforce* chipset boards have several unresolved issues with Linux, gcc, an GNU. Forget anything SiS. As far as Winblows reviews on hardware sites, disregard, IMO, is usually the better idea. They have little to do with a real OS. So, just a report. I changed out a tired an old oc'd 1.4 Athlon (1.553g) on a Soyo KT133a chipset with sdram, for an XP 3000+ with Kingston DDR400 on an Aopen AK77-400 Max with a KT400a chipset. Didn't really wanna but the ancient (8 years!) ram was startin to fsck'up on the old mobo. Run hard, put up wet. Might'a been the cpu L caches anyhow... Pulled the case out from under the table, changed out the motherboard/ram/cpu. What'a heck, tryin boot. .. No problemo, harddisk recognized a differnet NIC (now onboard), different AC97, now 5.1 surround, and 9.2 cooker went about it's business. No disruption for aDSL or sound. HDD's love the new board /cpu/ram/ controllers. So went to testin and clockin. The Kingston ram was a convienice. I got it bundled with the cpu/mobo. It was a variable, even a concern since it's only sold by Mwave as Cas 3 DDR ram. After several weeks testin tho, the ram has performed flawlessly at Cas2.5, Ras/Cas 2, pre-Charge 2, at 2-bank, now DDR427. Way over it's specs. Ram is what'll do, an I'm not sure I've found the top of this Kingston yet. Still, I wish I'd gone to the trouble of gettin Crucial or Corsair. Currently (as I type), the XP is at 2301mhz (13x177, 354 FSB, PCI 35.2mhz) and rock steady. I keep inchin it up. Might go a bit or more further. I haven't tried reducin the multiplier and goin to a 200+ FSB yet. I reckon I'm better off stay'in with oc'd 166@ 177 since the PCI is only out'a spec @ 35.2mhz, an the AGP is just over 70mhz. Some view this mistakenly as overclocked. It's not. It's just out'a spec. Damn nVidia card was complain, but recent cooker updates to XFree86 cooled that off. (XFree86-4.3-19mdk) I know y'all believe memtest86 is _THE_ test, an I confess I run it first too. But it's a weak test. It sort'a sux. Better is mprime's #17, the torture test. Harder still, the acid test is, cpuburn's 'burnK7'. One or two passes with memtest is a breeze, run mprime's torture test thru test #1800 or so, run burnK7 for 25 minutes . then you know your hardware is stable. So far I am with an XP core at 2301, CL2.5-2-2-2 DDR427. So I gott'a XP Whatever (3600+?) that RUNS like a scalded ape. Glibc compiles are a lot shorter ;) No Winsux ;) damn what a screamer... I am sure jealous. What became of the old box, or parts? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday 28 August 2003 01:22 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: snip I know y'all believe memtest86 is _THE_ test, an I confess I run it first too. But it's a weak test. It sort'a sux. Better is mprime's #17, the torture test. Harder still, the acid test is, cpuburn's 'burnK7'. One or two passes with memtest is a breeze, run mprime's torture test thru test #1800 or so, run burnK7 for 25 minutes . then you know your hardware is stable. So far I am with an XP core at 2301, CL2.5-2-2-2 DDR427. Tom, I know you remember when I was having the spontaneous reboot problems? Well, you're right about memtest - I ran it overnight 2/3 different times and never found anything - cpuburnnow thats *another* story! So I gott'a XP Whatever (3600+?) that RUNS like a scalded ape. Glibc compiles are a lot shorter ;) No Winsux ;) You're better off. :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 1:41 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2003 01:22 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: snip I know y'all believe memtest86 is _THE_ test, an I confess I run it first too. But it's a weak test. It sort'a sux. Better is mprime's #17, the torture test. Harder still, the acid test is, cpuburn's 'burnK7'. One or two passes with memtest is a breeze, run mprime's torture test thru test #1800 or so, run burnK7 for 25 minutes . then you know your hardware is stable. So far I am with an XP core at 2301, CL2.5-2-2-2 DDR427. Tom, I know you remember when I was having the spontaneous reboot problems? Well, you're right about memtest - I ran it overnight 2/3 different times and never found anything - cpuburnnow thats *another* story! Care to tell us more? My granddaughter's 1-year-old (win98) box suffers from recurrent problems, and I'm wondering if this test would help. So - what's involved in running it, how risky is it, and what sort of reporting does it give? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:22:03 -0500 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind my usual advice on this list is that hardware needs to be eliminated from any problems, specially if it's a ready made, in the first place. OC'd or not. OTOH, if it's there, RUN IT!! Windoze reviews: the current darlings are the nforce an newer KT 400a/600 chipset boards runnin AMD XP's. P4's are bitin the dust, still no decent chipsets to run on. OTOH, are these winsux reviews applicable to Linux? As far as chipsets go yes an no. nforce* chipset boards have several unresolved issues with Linux, gcc, an GNU. Forget anything SiS. As far as Winblows reviews on hardware sites, disregard, IMO, is usually the better idea. They have little to do with a real OS. So, just a report. I changed out a tired an old oc'd 1.4 Athlon (1.553g) on a Soyo KT133a chipset with sdram, for an XP 3000+ with Kingston DDR400 on an Aopen AK77-400 Max with a KT400a chipset. Didn't really wanna but the ancient (8 years!) ram was startin to fsck'up on the old mobo. Run hard, put up wet. Might'a been the cpu L caches anyhow... Pulled the case out from under the table, changed out the motherboard/ram/cpu. What'a heck, tryin boot. .. No problemo, harddisk recognized a differnet NIC (now onboard), different AC97, now 5.1 surround, and 9.2 cooker went about it's business. No disruption for aDSL or sound. HDD's love the new board /cpu/ram/ controllers. So went to testin and clockin. The Kingston ram was a convienice. I got it bundled with the cpu/mobo. It was a variable, even a concern since it's only sold by Mwave as Cas 3 DDR ram. After several weeks testin tho, the ram has performed flawlessly at Cas2.5, Ras/Cas 2, pre-Charge 2, at 2-bank, now DDR427. Way over it's specs. Ram is what'll do, an I'm not sure I've found the top of this Kingston yet. Still, I wish I'd gone to the trouble of gettin Crucial or Corsair. Currently (as I type), the XP is at 2301mhz (13x177, 354 FSB, PCI 35.2mhz) and rock steady. I keep inchin it up. Might go a bit or more further. I haven't tried reducin the multiplier and goin to a 200+ FSB yet. I reckon I'm better off stay'in with oc'd 166@ 177 since the PCI is only out'a spec @ 35.2mhz, an the AGP is just over 70mhz. Some view this mistakenly as overclocked. It's not. It's just out'a spec. Damn nVidia card was complain, but recent cooker updates to XFree86 cooled that off. (XFree86-4.3-19mdk) I know y'all believe memtest86 is _THE_ test, an I confess I run it first too. But it's a weak test. It sort'a sux. Better is mprime's #17, the torture test. Harder still, the acid test is, cpuburn's 'burnK7'. One or two passes with memtest is a breeze, run mprime's torture test thru test #1800 or so, run burnK7 for 25 minutes . then you know your hardware is stable. So far I am with an XP core at 2301, CL2.5-2-2-2 DDR427. So I gott'a XP Whatever (3600+?) that RUNS like a scalded ape. Glibc compiles are a lot shorter ;) No Winsux ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas So what were you needing your newbie help with Tom? -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday 28 August 2003 09:55 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Care to tell us more? My granddaughter's 1-year-old (win98) box suffers from recurrent problems, and I'm wondering if this test would help. So - what's involved in running it, how risky is it, and what sort of reporting does it give? Anne First, I'm not sure if cpuburn is available for Windows? As a pure 'Nix user I just don't notice if software runs on more than 1 platform or not... :-( Anyways, I was having recurrent spontaneous reboots. I mean you're setting at the front of your computer, then wham! it shutsdown and goes thru all the normal stuff when you bootup. Especially during games, but not just limited to them. Many people on the list (including Tom) offered advice, and several ways to test the hardware. The general consensus seems to be that you're much better off ruling out hardware problems *first* before trying to track down a software problem. Memtest, Mprime, cpuburn all check various parts of your hardware. Basically you just run cpuburn (there are different versions for different cpu's) and let it go. If it can run for 20-25 mins on your machine without locking up, you're in pretty good shape. If you can run it for an hour, you're using a tank with brains. grin If it locks up within a few minutes - you've got some problems somewhere, and it my case - it turned out to be heat. I modded my case a bit, and now run about 37c to 39c where I was running about 50c before. No more reboots. :-) Hmm, did I send the you the picture where I made the changes? I can send you 3 offlist if you like. Just lemme know! :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
I'll take them if ther not gone already Mike McNeese Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday August 28 2003 06:21 am, ed tharp wrote: So I gott'a XP Whatever (3600+?) that RUNS like a scalded ape. Glibc compiles are a lot shorter ;) No Winsux ;) damn what a screamer... I am sure jealous. What became of the old box, or parts? Sittin in a box till I figure out what to do with 'em. The mobo and cpu were run hard. Probly not worth hardly anything anymore. The ram I kept tho is. 1, 256mb stick; 1, 128mb stick of Crucial Micron Cas2 7ns ram. (what y'all call good pc133) First one to ask can have the Soyo k7vta pro mobo and the 1.4 gig Athlon for the cost of mailin. Ah, heck, I'll throw in the ram too. My brother could use it, but he doesn't know that. 'Sides he considers somethin like that major surgery. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA == Dual booting 98lite;MDK 9.1 stock kernel Kde 3.1 Registered Linux User #248955 liquid/acqua Theme == If obstacles are what you see in your path... Then you have lost sight of your goal! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday August 28 2003 08:55 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 1:41 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2003 01:22 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: snip I know y'all believe memtest86 is _THE_ test, an I confess I run it first too. But it's a weak test. It sort'a sux. Better is mprime's #17, the torture test. Harder still, the acid test is, cpuburn's 'burnK7'. One or two passes with memtest is a breeze, run mprime's torture test thru test #1800 or so, run burnK7 for 25 minutes . then you know your hardware is stable. So far I am with an XP core at 2301, CL2.5-2-2-2 DDR427. Tom, I know you remember when I was having the spontaneous reboot problems? Well, you're right about memtest - I ran it overnight 2/3 different times and never found anything - cpuburnnow thats *another* story! Care to tell us more? My granddaughter's 1-year-old (win98) box suffers from recurrent problems, and I'm wondering if this test would help. So - what's involved in running it, how risky is it, and what sort of reporting does it give? Anne All three apps, memtest86, mprime, an cpuburn have Windoze versions. memtest is no risk, neither is mprime-17. Cpuburn OTOH, really takes the cpu/cache/ram/motherboard/buses to the limit, an then some. Read the warning http://users.ev1.net/~redelm/ An you can d/l the software. For Mandrake, it's on your CD's. Still if you can't run the appropriate 'burn' module on your (her) system, it's not stable IMO. Many store bought (ready made) computers won't pass. Any laptop surely won't. There's no reportin, the system either stays up or fails. Usually just a spontaneous reboot. CPU temp monitoring durin the test is almost imperative. If it gets too high, Ctrl+C will abort the test. For ready mades an laptops, I'd suggest a lengthly run of mprime-17, the torture test. That's as close as you'll get. These tools, mprime an cpuburn, are old overclockers tools to test stability. Not really a check for Winblows faults. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday August 28 2003 04:55 am, Michael Adams wrote: So what were you needing your newbie help with Tom? -- Michael It works both ways. I was jus' braggin an pontificatin ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday August 28 2003 06:21 am, ed tharp wrote: So I gott'a XP Whatever (3600+?) that RUNS like a scalded ape. Glibc compiles are a lot shorter ;) No Winsux ;) damn what a screamer... I am sure jealous. What became of the old box, or parts? Sittin in a box till I figure out what to do with 'em. The mobo and cpu were run hard. Probly not worth hardly anything anymore. The ram I kept tho is. 1, 256mb stick; 1, 128mb stick of Crucial Micron Cas2 7ns ram. (what y'all call good pc133) First one to ask can have the Soyo k7vta pro mobo and the 1.4 gig Athlon for the cost of mailin. Ah, heck, I'll throw in the ram too. My brother could use it, but he doesn't know that. 'Sides he considers somethin like that major surgery. Consider yourself asked. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkduron KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 15:30:01 up 57 min, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.08, 0.11 ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 8:24 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2003 09:55 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Care to tell us more? My granddaughter's 1-year-old (win98) box suffers from recurrent problems, and I'm wondering if this test would help. So - what's involved in running it, how risky is it, and what sort of reporting does it give? Anne First, I'm not sure if cpuburn is available for Windows? As a pure 'Nix user I just don't notice if software runs on more than 1 platform or not... :-( Yup, there's a version. Anyways, I was having recurrent spontaneous reboots. I mean you're setting at the front of your computer, then wham! it shutsdown and goes thru all the normal stuff when you bootup. The only time I've had that was when I was having Star Office / Open Office problems with large files. In her case, it's freezes that happen without any obvious pattern. Especially during games, but not just limited to them. Many people on the list (including Tom) offered advice, and several ways to test the hardware. The general consensus seems to be that you're much better off ruling out hardware problems *first* before trying to track down a software problem. Memtest, Mprime, cpuburn all check various parts of your hardware. Basically you just run cpuburn (there are different versions for different cpu's) and let it go. If it can run for 20-25 mins on your machine without locking up, you're in pretty good shape. If you can run it for an hour, you're using a tank with brains. grin If it locks up within a few minutes - you've got some problems somewhere, and it my case - it turned out to be heat. I modded my case a bit, and now run about 37c to 39c where I was running about 50c before. No more reboots. :-) How did you know it was heat? Hmm, did I send the you the picture where I made the changes? I can send you 3 offlist if you like. Just lemme know! :-) Yes, please. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 8:21 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday August 28 2003 08:55 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 1:41 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2003 01:22 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: snip I know y'all believe memtest86 is _THE_ test, an I confess I run it first too. But it's a weak test. It sort'a sux. Better is mprime's #17, the torture test. Harder still, the acid test is, cpuburn's 'burnK7'. One or two passes with memtest is a breeze, run mprime's torture test thru test #1800 or so, run burnK7 for 25 minutes . then you know your hardware is stable. So far I am with an XP core at 2301, CL2.5-2-2-2 DDR427. Tom, I know you remember when I was having the spontaneous reboot problems? Well, you're right about memtest - I ran it overnight 2/3 different times and never found anything - cpuburnnow thats *another* story! Care to tell us more? My granddaughter's 1-year-old (win98) box suffers from recurrent problems, and I'm wondering if this test would help. So - what's involved in running it, how risky is it, and what sort of reporting does it give? Anne All three apps, memtest86, mprime, an cpuburn have Windoze versions. memtest is no risk, neither is mprime-17. Cpuburn OTOH, really takes the cpu/cache/ram/motherboard/buses to the limit, an then some. Read the warning http://users.ev1.net/~redelm/ An you can d/l the software. For Mandrake, it's on your CD's. Still if you can't run the appropriate 'burn' module on your (her) system, it's not stable IMO. Many store bought (ready made) computers won't pass. Any laptop surely won't. There's no reportin, the system either stays up or fails. Usually just a spontaneous reboot. CPU temp monitoring durin the test is almost imperative. If it gets too high, Ctrl+C will abort the test. For ready mades an laptops, I'd suggest a lengthly run of mprime-17, the torture test. That's as close as you'll get. These tools, mprime an cpuburn, are old overclockers tools to test stability. Not really a check for Winblows faults. Thanks, Tom. This is a custom-build from a local supplier, and I've just realised that it's not quite out of guarantee, so it's going back tomorrow, and I'll let them do the first round of tests. If they find nothing I'll start on your suggestions g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday August 28 2003 06:21 am, ed tharp wrote: So I gott'a XP Whatever (3600+?) that RUNS like a scalded ape. Glibc compiles are a lot shorter ;) No Winsux ;) damn what a screamer... I am sure jealous. What became of the old box, or parts? Sittin in a box till I figure out what to do with 'em. The mobo and cpu were run hard. Probly not worth hardly anything anymore. The ram I kept tho is. 1, 256mb stick; 1, 128mb stick of Crucial Micron Cas2 7ns ram. (what y'all call good pc133) First one to ask can have the Soyo k7vta pro mobo and the 1.4 gig Athlon for the cost of mailin. Ah, heck, I'll throw in the ram too. My brother could use it, but he doesn't know that. 'Sides he considers somethin like that major surgery. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday 28 August 2003 03:35 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Yup, there's a version. Saw that now. :-) How did you know it was heat? Well, Tom was kind enough to point out to me that (this is my basic understanding - he'll correct me if I'm wrong) the reported CPU temp from lm-sensors/Gkrellm is actually 10-20c *less* than what it actually is. So, when I would run cpuburn, with Gkrellm open so I could watch the temp, it would go to about 55c before locking up/rebooting. If you add 10-20c to that, you can easily see that my CPU temp might actually have been 75c which, needless to say, is a tad bit hot. So I added the case/fan/cpu mod that I'll send to you offlist shortly, and now it stays about 37-39c, and the big diff is that with cpuburn running for +30mins, it only goes to about 40-41c. The final argument is that the lockups/reboots went away. grin -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Overclock!
On Thursday August 28 2003 02:20 pm, mike wrote: I'll take them if ther not gone already Mike McNeese First one to ask can have the Soyo k7vta pro mobo and the 1.4 gig Athlon for the cost of mailin. Ah, heck, I'll throw in the ram too. My brother could use it, but he doesn't know that. 'Sides he considers somethin like that major surgery. I apologize to the list. Mea Culpa. I should'a specified off list responses. In any event, Darklord beat everybody to the punch. He's a good guy anyhow ;) Sort'a helpful around here. Sorry Mike, -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
