Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:12:26 +0800 frankieh disseminated the following: or in MS's case telling the truth about them LOL! Ya, we don't even need to make stuff up using paid consultants and rigged tests, they just keep feeding us the ammo. Looks like they're in trouble in the States again, 'nother class action lawsuit. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:25:11 up 26 days, 19:09, 11 users, load average: 1.18, 1.27, 1.27 +++ Contrary to Bush's claim that his regime change in Iraq has produced a more stable Middle East, his actions have opened a hornet's nest of death and destruction. -- Marjorie Cohn, Thomas Jefferson School of Law Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 03:25, frankieh wrote: Ok, well I'll just have to settle for blaming you for everything that is wrong in Australia. Your a yank, so you should be used to that sort of thing. :-) Nice. I like that. g LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 02:59, frankieh wrote: First off, let me say that not everything MS does is bad. Windows does do some stuff well, usually with regards to usability. (before anyone calls me an MS shill, check the list of my stories on: http://htmlfixit.com/article_index.php ) I slag MS off on a regular basis, for all manner of reasons. What does slag off mean? I get the general idea but what specifically. I'm curious because a brit friend of mine was fond of saying that at choice times. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 02:59, frankieh wrote: First off, let me say that not everything MS does is bad. Windows does do some stuff well, usually with regards to usability. (before anyone calls me an MS shill, check the list of my stories on: http://htmlfixit.com/article_index.php ) I slag MS off on a regular basis, for all manner of reasons. What does slag off mean? I get the general idea but what specifically. I'm curious because a brit friend of mine was fond of saying that at choice times. LX Its just slang, for putting sh1t on them or giving them hell, or in MS's case telling the truth about them... stuff of that nature. rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
Erylon Hines wrote: On Friday 20 August 2004 06:50 pm, JoeHill wrote: | ...but I'll give you this: anyone choosing KDE over XFCE needs their head | examined. Sorry dooD, but my wife would never have quit Winders if it hadn't been for the KDE interface. Anything that is too different from Windows and it would have been a no go from the get go. It's call xenophobia, and 90% of the Windows users have it. All these folks want is an OS interface that is easy to use and understand, and especially one that they don't have to learn from scratch. Xfce, as much as I like it, is too different to be of use to your average Windows convert. Ditto for Enlightenment, Ice, and even Gnome. My wife described Gnome as weird looking and ugly. Any Windows user can convert to KDE without giving it much thought, and that makes it a useful interface, in my book. The other window managers are pretty much for geeks, even though many (most) are really more intelligently designed (that, I think, we can agree on). e I agree, and I think KDE bashing is a pointless affair, its one of our tools, and at least with linux you get a choice.. Later on when they are comfortable with Linux abit, most of them try different things and find one they like, but at least initially, KDE provides them with a familiar enviroment. -- rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 15:47, Erylon Hines wrote: On Friday 20 August 2004 06:50 pm, JoeHill wrote: | ...but I'll give you this: anyone choosing KDE over XFCE needs their head | examined. Sorry dooD, but my wife would never have quit Winders if it hadn't been for the KDE interface. Anything that is too different from Windows and it would have been a no go from the get go. It's call xenophobia, and 90% of the Windows users have it. All these folks want is an OS interface that is easy to use and understand, and especially one that they don't have to learn from scratch. Xfce, as much as I like it, is too different to be of use to your average Windows convert. Ditto for Enlightenment, Ice, and even Gnome. My wife described Gnome as weird looking and ugly. Any Windows user can convert to KDE without giving it much thought, and that makes it a useful interface, in my book. The other window managers are pretty much for geeks, even though many (most) are really more intelligently designed (that, I think, we can agree on). KDE is also good for converting a Mac user as well - because you can completely change the layout to be exactly like a Mac - and even go so far as to be like OS/X... FOR NEWBIES, that is... It appears as though once someone gets sufficiently proficient in GNU/linux, other window managers and desktop environments get tried and tested; both women and men; and once they find something comfortable, that is where they tend to stay. I have, however, been able to check out a few folks in the past that have never used a Mac or a Windows based machine; and in meeting their simple needs (email, websurfing, word processing) I have been able to give them a linux desktop right from the get-go; to them, anything else is strange and unusual and unfriendly... -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. The boss returned from lunch in a good mood and called the whole staff in to listen to a couple of jokes he had picked up. Everybody but one girl laughed uproariously. What's the matter? grumbled the boss. Haven't you got a sense of humor? I don't have to laugh, she said. I'm leaving Friday anyway. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
frankieh wrote: Erylon Hines wrote: On Friday 20 August 2004 06:50 pm, JoeHill wrote: | ...but I'll give you this: anyone choosing KDE over XFCE needs their head | examined. Sorry dooD, but my wife would never have quit Winders if it hadn't been for the KDE interface. Anything that is too different from Windows and it would have been a no go from the get go. It's call xenophobia, and 90% of the Windows users have it. All these folks want is an OS interface that is easy to use and understand, and especially one that they don't have to learn from scratch. Xfce, as much as I like it, is too different to be of use to your average Windows convert. Ditto for Enlightenment, Ice, and even Gnome. My wife described Gnome as weird looking and ugly. Any Windows user can convert to KDE without giving it much thought, and that makes it a useful interface, in my book. The other window managers are pretty much for geeks, even though many (most) are really more intelligently designed (that, I think, we can agree on). e I agree, and I think KDE bashing is a pointless affair, its one of our tools, and at least with linux you get a choice.. Later on when they are comfortable with Linux abit, most of them try different things and find one they like, but at least initially, KDE provides them with a familiar enviroment. And therein lies the biggest problem of all... Those or us who care to look for something different, have no problem with any GUI ( or not ) because we accept that Linux is another operating system, but still others looking for 'something' different are expecting a 'free' windows affair. Then there are the other users of our ' can only afford one ' hardware... they tend to come back unhelpful in our attempts to supply a 'more' affordable alternative, leaving some of us wishing we could be on a deserted island, heaps of batteries at the ready [ pun intended ] to play and work all day with our own informed choices. ( Then I suppose we get to be cast out altogether... nothing seems to work these days, does it.) -- Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:16, frankieh wrote: I agree, and I think KDE bashing is a pointless affair, its one of our tools, and at least with linux you get a choice.. What about JoeHill bashing? (grin) -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on. -- Kirk, A Taste of Armageddon, stardate 3193.9 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:16, frankieh wrote: I agree, and I think KDE bashing is a pointless affair, its one of our tools, and at least with linux you get a choice.. What about JoeHill bashing? (grin) -- Well JoeHill bashing is fine.. but he has been rather well behaved of late... in fact most of the usual group have behaved very well lately.. (including yourself Mr Stephen, I think our threat to send you back to the US in exchange for our playmates has paid off to some degree. :-) ) -- rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
frankieh wrote: Later on when they are comfortable with Linux abit, most of them try different things and find one they like, but at least initially, KDE provides them with a familiar enviroment. SnapafunFrank wrote: And therein lies the biggest problem of all... Those or us who care to look for something different, have no problem with any GUI ( or not ) because we accept that Linux is another operating system, but still others looking for 'something' different are expecting a 'free' windows affair. Then there are the other users of our ' can only afford one ' hardware... they tend to come back unhelpful in our attempts to supply a 'more' affordable alternative, leaving some of us wishing we could be on a deserted island, heaps of batteries at the ready [ pun intended ] to play and work all day with our own informed choices. ( Then I suppose we get to be cast out altogether... nothing seems to work these days, does it.) First off, let me say that not everything MS does is bad. Windows does do some stuff well, usually with regards to usability. (before anyone calls me an MS shill, check the list of my stories on: http://htmlfixit.com/article_index.php ) I slag MS off on a regular basis, for all manner of reasons. But having said that, they spend millions researching usability, and the fact is, they do that side of things very well. Perhaps too well, they have made owning and using a PC, so easy that most people using windows have no idea that they need to protect themselves and their data from virus's, spyware, keyloggers and all that other stuff. (and Windows doesn't help them to protect themselves, at least before SP2 it didn't.) My point is, its great to hate MS, as a corporation, they have renamed morality to public relations. but from a GUI perspective, they do OK. In my years as a sys admin, I can tell you that I've seen hundreds of cases of complete PC newbies just using windows with no instruction or practise at all. Just because something is microsoft, doesn't automatically make it bad, MS have to work to achieve bad, and when they want to, they do that very well too. (and they seem to want to do it allot.) But if not for MS, we wouldn't have 300 million XP users to convert to Linux, and every second household in the western world would not have PC's. I don't mind KDE, I don't mind Gnome, and I like IceWM and some of the smaller ones, the WM I choose for a system depends on the system it will be running on, and the user that will be using it. Myself I don't care, I can work with any WM. In fact I'd go so far as to say I don't really understand these religious arguements about WM's, what are they really? a GUI framework for the desktop. Who cares really? as long as it runs the apps I need, I couldnt' care less what the WM is called. My Only wish is that the toolkit providers (QT GTK) worked together to arrive at something compatable, or wrapper libs or something so that app consistancy is on a par with other OS's. (it'd be nice to have wrapper libs for both ways, so if your system has QT, all apps use it, if it has GTK, all apps use that.) If the QT/GTK war hadn't been going on for years, we'd have a killer consistant professional GUI desktop right now and it wouldn't be dependent on what WM you choose. -- rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:43, frankieh wrote: Well JoeHill bashing is fine.. but he has been rather well behaved of late... in fact most of the usual group have behaved very well lately.. (including yourself Mr Stephen, I think our threat to send you back to the US in exchange for our playmates has paid off to some degree. :-) ) Ha! Ya can't send me back! Perm Res till 2009, mate! Citizenship application in 2006! Yar har har! -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Death is God's way of telling you not to be such a wise guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:43, frankieh wrote: Well JoeHill bashing is fine.. but he has been rather well behaved of late... in fact most of the usual group have behaved very well lately.. (including yourself Mr Stephen, I think our threat to send you back to the US in exchange for our playmates has paid off to some degree. :-) ) Ha! Ya can't send me back! Perm Res till 2009, mate! Citizenship application in 2006! Yar har har! -- stephen kuhn - proprietor Ok, well I'll just have to settle for blaming you for everything that is wrong in Australia. Your a yank, so you should be used to that sort of thing. :-) -- rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:25, frankieh wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:43, frankieh wrote: Well JoeHill bashing is fine.. but he has been rather well behaved of late... in fact most of the usual group have behaved very well lately.. (including yourself Mr Stephen, I think our threat to send you back to the US in exchange for our playmates has paid off to some degree. :-) ) Ha! Ya can't send me back! Perm Res till 2009, mate! Citizenship application in 2006! Yar har har! -- stephen kuhn - proprietor Ok, well I'll just have to settle for blaming you for everything that is wrong in Australia. Your a yank, so you should be used to that sort of thing. :-) True - more than used to it now - the oldies at the pub across the street love to take the piss out of me with things like that... -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial we. -- Mark Twain Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Saturday 21 Aug 2004 7:29 am, Stephen Khn wrote: [snip] I have, however, been able to check out a few folks in the past that have never used a Mac or a Windows based machine; and in meeting their simple needs (email, websurfing, word processing) I have been able to give them a linux desktop right from the get-go; to them, anything else is strange and unusual and unfriendly... Out of interest, which WM do you use for them? Do you find that learning any WM seems to be as easy as any other - and the first one learned is always preferred, or are there Linux WMs that seem to be easier to learn than MS Windows? -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 19:06, Richard Urwin wrote: On Saturday 21 Aug 2004 7:29 am, Stephen Kühn wrote: [snip] I have, however, been able to check out a few folks in the past that have never used a Mac or a Windows based machine; and in meeting their simple needs (email, websurfing, word processing) I have been able to give them a linux desktop right from the get-go; to them, anything else is strange and unusual and unfriendly... Out of interest, which WM do you use for them? Do you find that learning any WM seems to be as easy as any other - and the first one learned is always preferred, or are there Linux WMs that seem to be easier to learn than MS Windows? KDE and Gnome appear to be the best; one client ended up liking WindowMaker however (but he's a strange fellow anyways). KDE appears to be the easier of the two (between Gnome and KDE) and a bit more intuitive (and appears to be feature packed in relation to the way that Gnome first appears - rather spartan and, well, boring with crappy fonts and visual candy). Most luck so far has been with KDE. I would recommend it in a situation where you have a very newbie person starting out - less question, easier to comprehend. I have tried out Rox in a kids situation - THAT worked quite well for a tight, locked down desktop and simple application launching. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. I'm DESPONDENT ... I hope there's something DEEP-FRIED under this miniature DOMED STADIUM ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
frankieh wrote: But having said that, they spend millions researching usability, and the fact is, they do that side of things very well. Perhaps too well, they have made owning and using a PC, so easy that most people using windows have no idea that they need to protect themselves and their data from virus's, spyware, keyloggers and all that other stuff. (and Windows doesn't help them to protect themselves, at least before SP2 it didn't.) To be honest:If MS released windows the way it supposed to be, there shouldn't be a need of SP1 and SP2. But MS has too many coders working on too many projects and these projects can't be tested in all possible combinations amongst eachother for the fact if they're fool- AND hack-proof. But if Windows XP would have been that properly protected back then, as it is now, nobody would have bought it since the PC hardware of that time was not fast enough to be able to handle such bulky and overheaded software MS releases. And honestly, today most common machines experience a tremendous backdraft in speed when SP2 is installed. I stick to the really critical security packs (meaning shit that the firewall of my router can't stop AKA leaks in MS broadcast and receive applications etc.) and that's it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
Erylon Hines wrote: On Friday 20 August 2004 06:50 pm, JoeHill wrote: | ...but I'll give you this: anyone choosing KDE over XFCE needs their head | examined. Sorry dooD, but my wife would never have quit Winders if it hadn't been for the KDE interface. Anything that is too different from Windows and it would have been a no go from the get go. It's call xenophobia, and 90% of the Windows users have it. All these folks want is an OS interface that is easy to use and understand, and especially one that they don't have to learn from scratch. Xfce, as much as I like it, is too different to be of use to your average Windows convert. Ditto for Enlightenment, Ice, and even Gnome. My wife described Gnome as weird looking and ugly. Any Windows user can convert to KDE without giving it much thought, and that makes it a useful interface, in my book. The other window managers are pretty much for geeks, even though many (most) are really more intelligently designed (that, I think, we can agree on). e The first thing i did when KDE started up in Mandrake was opening a console, edited the fstab.ini to start with init level 3 and the second thing i did in KDE was running the following command as root:init 3 The only windowmanager i use in there is called screen and i have no need of more :P (No mouse, just keyboard only) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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On Saturday 21 Aug 2004 11:51 am, Vincent Voois wrote: [snip] The only windowmanager i use in there is called screen and i have no need of more :P (No mouse, just keyboard only) But on my screen I can get 2.5 80 column terminals side-by-side, and they have a lot more than 25 rows. I can match the six virtual terminals with almost no overlap, and without switching desktops. Logging in takes longer, but only a few seconds (XFCE4), and I only have to do it once. Logging out is easy, and I only have to do that once as well. Why use the screen? You can get linux to use a dumb terminal as the console and hide the computer away somewhere. Better, if you get an 8-way serial i/f, you can have a terminal in every room. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:47:04, Vincent Voois wrote: whack To be honest:If MS released windows the way it supposed to be, there shouldn't be a need of SP1 and SP2. But MS has too many coders working on too many projects and these projects can't be tested in all possible combinations amongst eachother for the fact if they're fool- AND hack-proof. But if Windows XP would have been that properly protected back then, as it is now, nobody would have bought it since the PC hardware of that time was not fast enough to be able to handle such bulky and overheaded software MS releases. And honestly, today most common machines experience a tremendous backdraft in speed when SP2 is installed. I stick to the really critical security packs (meaning shit that the firewall of my router can't stop AKA leaks in MS broadcast and receive applications etc.) and that's it. I'm almost positive this system has been infected by my warped sense of humor, as exemplified by the random Fortune used in my signature. Vincent; It would seem you have made at least one choice on your Windows system to shore up the lines of defense. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) You do know that Netscape 7.2 has been released do you not? It's based on the latest stable Mozilla and according to what I've read it's what version 6.0 should have been for Windows users especially. But this thread was about Linux choices in general and Mandrake choices specifically. Not Windows choices, of which very few are available. Maybe you should stop lurking and give Mandrake a try? I'm fairly sure most of us have felt the exact levels of frustration you do in our past. But as more than one list member has stated; If Microsoft ever got serious about security and stability I'd have to go to work for a living. Or words to that effect. (-: Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.6.8.1-2mdk 04:55:59 up 9:10, 2 users, load average: 0.27, 0.13, 0.18 The nice thing about Windows is - It does not just crash, it displays a dialog box and lets you press 'OK' first. (Arno Schaefer's .sig) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBJy5CZqvqlrLPr5YRAoS6AJ0S4npk+yPjx4laQ9Qm9Tfo1TCVswCglXs0 JgDACyVxf1reC1b1AY0m4X8= =7wWE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
Richard Urwin wrote: On Saturday 21 Aug 2004 11:51 am, Vincent Voois wrote: [snip] The only windowmanager i use in there is called "screen" and i have no need of more :P (No mouse, just keyboard only) But on my screen I can get 2.5 80 column terminals side-by-side, and they have a lot more than 25 rows. I can match the six virtual terminals with almost no overlap, and without switching desktops. Logging in takes longer, but only a few seconds (XFCE4), and I only have to do it once. Logging out is easy, and I only have to do that once as well. Why use the screen? You can get linux to use a dumb terminal as the console and hide the computer away somewhere. Better, if you get an 8-way serial i/f, you can have a terminal in every room. I use init mode 3 because i run game-deamons that i rather supply as much cpu resources as i can. I have my Linux machine only for server purposes :P Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
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Charlie Mahan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:47:04, Vincent Voois wrote: whack To be honest:If MS released windows the way it supposed to be, there shouldn't be a need of SP1 and SP2. But MS has too many coders working on too many projects and these projects can't be tested in all possible combinations amongst eachother for the fact if they're fool- AND hack-proof. But if Windows XP would have been that properly protected back then, as it is now, nobody would have bought it since the PC hardware of that time was not fast enough to be able to handle such bulky and overheaded software MS releases. And honestly, today most common machines experience a tremendous backdraft in speed when SP2 is installed. I stick to the really critical security packs (meaning shit that the firewall of my router can't stop AKA leaks in MS broadcast and receive applications etc.) and that's it. I'm almost positive this system has been infected by my warped sense of humor, as exemplified by the "random" Fortune used in my signature. Vincent; It would seem you have made at least one choice on your Windows system to shore up the lines of defense. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) You do know that Netscape 7.2 has been released do you not? It's based on the latest "stable" Mozilla and according to what I've read it's what version 6.0 should have been for Windows users especially. But this thread was about Linux choices in general and Mandrake choices specifically. Not Windows choices, of which very few are available. Maybe you should stop lurking and give Mandrake a try? I'm fairly sure most of us have felt the exact levels of frustration you do in our past. But as more than one list member has stated; "If Microsoft ever got serious about security and stability I'd have to go to work for a living." Or words to that effect. (-: Charlie I know Netscape 7.2 is released, but currently i only use netscape for it's mail-function (screw outlook and it's moron deratives.). For browsing i use Mozilla Firefox :P (0.8 and 0.9.3 is also already out :P) To be honest, i really like Mandrake for it's Gui and it's applications, hell i've even installed OpenOffice on my Windows system very recently (MS can stick that in their arse :P). I have still some problems that Mandrake and Wine don't compromise for me specially when it involves specific software like Pinnacle Studio or Liquid Edition. But i do use Linux for the deamon purposes it has to offer and it's very easy to set up your server-deamons and configure your mySQL databases etc. It's also because i can script my up and downtimes in a timetable (cron), that's what my purpose for linux is. The reason why i chose Mandrake above the more comprehensive editions for the purposes i require (like Slackware can do the job as good as well) is that The Xwindows system within Mandrake gave me the opportunity to browse the web for answers and to test them in the environment i required. It sucks a bit to switch between two monitors and do one thing on the win pc and test the solution on the linux machine. Currently i've been busy for three weeks now with Linux, i've had experience with Linux in the past (and SCO Unix) but this was long time ago. The only thing that still kept me a bit in touch was through shelling my ISP and that of my customers because i programmed CGI scripts for their webshops. But this is also long time ago. But once software developers like Pinnacle and Adobe really start to create DTP software for Xwindows, i would love to step over. Currently i've *donated* a bit too much cash for those packages to abandon them right now. (as there might be good alternatives in XWindows, tips are always welcome) Regards, Vincent. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:47:44 -0700 Erylon Hines disseminated the following: | ...but I'll give you this: anyone choosing KDE over XFCE needs their head | examined. Sorry dooD, but my wife would never have quit Winders if it hadn't been for the KDE interface. Anything that is too different from Windows and it would have been a no go from the get go. It's call xenophobia, and 90% of the Windows users have it. True enough. However, after having used KDE for a time, I would bet XFCE would look purty nice to *anyone*. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 10:46:47 up 17 days, 10:30, 8 users, load average: 0.49, 0.33, 0.28 +++ It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth... -- Morpheus, in The Matrix, describing Fox News Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 05:03:50 -0700 Aron Smith disseminated the following: In HTML ? LOL! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 10:51:34 up 17 days, 10:35, 8 users, load average: 0.08, 0.17, 0.22 +++ Contrary to Bush's claim that his regime change in Iraq has produced a more stable Middle East, his actions have opened a hornet's nest of death and destruction. -- Marjorie Cohn, Thomas Jefferson School of Law Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:16:19 +0800 frankieh disseminated the following: I agree, and I think KDE bashing is a pointless affair, Okay, okay, I take it back. A bit harsh. I'm glad we all have a choice :-) -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 10:54:25 up 17 days, 10:37, 8 users, load average: 0.01, 0.10, 0.18 +++ There are literally several levels of SCO being wrong. And even if we were to live in that alternate universe where SCO would be right, they'd still be wrong. -- Linus Torvalds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
I agree, and I think KDE bashing is a pointless affair, its one of our tools, and at least with linux you get a choice.. What about JoeHill bashing? (grin) see: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:16:19 +0800 frankieh disseminated the following: I agree, and I think KDE bashing is a pointless affair, Okay, okay, I take it back. A bit harsh. I'm glad we all have a choice :-) Thanks for that Joe. You just saved me from having to write another big-a$$ed ranting email, and I wanted to watch the Olympics sometime today! Grin! Remember boys and girls - it's all about choice! Personal choices about Linux and Window Managers, etc., are just that - Personal. I think that KDE is a great way to help newbies to switch to Linux, and after they're comfortable with it, they can experiment with others to see if they prefer something else. (Of course, anyone who DOESN'T use KDE is an idiot!) Kidding! Just Kidding! Have a great weekend everyone! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:44:15 +0200 Vincent Voois disseminated the following: snip My turn at List Nazi... Please see: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette Esp. regarding HTML and line-wrap. Thanks! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 12:09:02 up 17 days, 11:52, 8 users, load average: 1.66, 1.50, 1.44 +++ Rule $19.99 (Brad `Squid' Shapcott): The Internet *isn't* *free*. It just has an economy that makes no sense to capitalism. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 08:58:07AM -0500, Steve Jeppesen wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:38:24 -0400 Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://clevername.homeip.net/2004_08_21-00_33_35.png Todd, I get the message clevername.homeip.net could not be found Working on the server or??? FYI Hmm, may have been something temporary, everything seems OK here now? Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
http://clevername.homeip.net/2004_08_21-00_33_35.png I get the message clevername.homeip.net could not be found Hmm, may have been something temporary, everything seems OK here now? yep. -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:06:23 -0400 Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, may have been something temporary, everything seems OK here now? for some reason I am still getting that cannot connect message. I checked my hosts file to be sure your web address wasn't listed (one of those bloated hosts files from the web which redirects alot of web addresses to 127.0.0.1). All other internet stuff is working - dns and such. odd -- Linux user #280097 Machines #162480 #191825 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:55:46 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir wrote: You remind me of a 44 magnum revolver with two chambers loaded hollow point. You spin the cylinder and pull the trigger. You either hear a click or you blow a hole in the target a foot wide. And that shows only 1 of my E desktops whereas there are in fact 4 which I use. Charles P.S. Yes I use Xfce on 10.0 but I use E. on this my main system; and yes it is Cooker. Xfce is for the discriminating user but E is for the connoisseur. -- asuffield a workstation is anything you can stick on somebodies desk and con them into using -- in #debian-devel - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.8.1-1mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgpjhwQTQjD9K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 02:07, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:55:46 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir wrote: You remind me of a 44 magnum revolver with two chambers loaded hollow point. You spin the cylinder and pull the trigger. You either hear a click or you blow a hole in the target a foot wide. And that shows only 1 of my E desktops whereas there are in fact 4 which I use. Charles P.S. Yes I use Xfce on 10.0 but I use E. on this my main system; and yes it is Cooker. Xfce is for the discriminating user but E is for the connoisseur. AhhhTruer words were never spoken. I take note that you and I use the same WM theme which is Hand of God. Try as I might I have never encountered another theme that equals this one. I've toyed around with the idea of starting a Hand of God mailing list, if nothing else to honor Craigo and Technoir. But perhaps also to bring together fans of The Theme. And E, of course. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:55:46 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir disseminated the following: You remind me of a 44 magnum revolver with two chambers loaded hollow point. You spin the cylinder and pull the trigger. You either hear a click or you blow a hole in the target a foot wide. I'd say from the pics he's got more than two chambers loaded ;-) -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 09:21:23 up 16 days, 9:04, 9 users, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.02 +++ One of the most dangerous errors of our time is the belief that human beings are uniquely violent animals, barely restrained from committing atrocities on each other by the constraints of ethics, religion, and the state. -- Eric S. Raymond Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:07:07 -0400 Charles A Edwards disseminated the following: Xfce is for the discriminating user but E is for the connoisseur. ...don't do nuthin' Pek can't do, and don't do a lot it can ;-) (begin flamewar) :-D -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 09:26:04 up 16 days, 9:09, 9 users, load average: 0.18, 0.06, 0.01 +++ If Stephen Harper was prime minister, Canadian soldiers would be coming home from Iraq in body bags. -- Keith Martin, Former Conservative Party Member Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 13:13, JoeHill wrote: Gettin' bored with my current selection of Pekwm themes, wondering if some people can post some screens of their WM for me to get some ideas, or otherwise steal/hack at. Cheers! (Please no candy-assed KDE or Aqua-been-done-to-death stuff) :-D Why not just use a proper wm like XFCE4 mate? -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. No excellent soul is exempt from a mixture of madness. -- Aristotle Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 09:59:03 +1000 Stephen Kühn disseminated the following: (Please no candy-assed KDE or Aqua-been-done-to-death stuff) :-D Why not just use a proper wm like XFCE4 mate? We bin over this, d00d. Missing too many features, and all the customization is done by far too many mouse clicks. Not as bad as Enlightenment, but almost ;-) Switch your wallpaper? Click, click, click, clickswitch your theme...same shite. Anyhow, workin' on a new theme already, a vicious hack, but it seems to be coming along okay. Gratuitous screenshot to follow shortly. ...but I'll give you this: anyone choosing KDE over XFCE needs their head examined. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 21:39:56 up 16 days, 21:23, 8 users, load average: 0.43, 0.22, 0.14 +++ When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. -- Archbishop Helder Camara Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:50:26 -0400 JoeHill wrote: Missing too many features, and all the customization is done by far too many mouse clicks Only if you need to have your hand held and do not Know how to use a keyboard (-; Charles -- Fortune's real live weird band names #258: Foreskin 500 - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.8.1-1mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgpYlOyRVp0L2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:05:48 -0400 Charles A Edwards disseminated the following: Missing too many features, and all the customization is done by far too many mouse clicks Only if you need to have your hand held and do not Know how to use a keyboard (-; ...you can change themes or wallpaper either with the keyboard or in one click? I did not know that. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 22:32:00 up 16 days, 22:15, 8 users, load average: 0.31, 0.20, 0.14 +++ The rich control all the businesses, the newspapers and everything else. But they can no longer control the people. -- Margarita Mendoza, street vendor, Venezuela Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:33:10 -0400 JoeHill wrote: ...you can change themes or wallpaper either with the keyboard or in one click? Well... Theme in 1 click, but since the WP I use is not supplied by the theme, it takes 2 clicks. Charles -- A domineering man married a mere wisp of a girl. He came back from his honeymoon a chastened man. He'd become aware of the will of the wisp. - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.8.1-1mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp2e4f8Cinph.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 11:13:51PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: Gettin' bored with my current selection of Pekwm themes, wondering if some people can post some screens of their WM for me to get some ideas, or otherwise steal/hack at. Cheers! (Please no candy-assed KDE or Aqua-been-done-to-death stuff) :-D http://clevername.homeip.net/2004_08_21-00_33_35.png Look out, it's over 300K. And no windows for you to see :) Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Friday 20 August 2004 06:50 pm, JoeHill wrote: | ...but I'll give you this: anyone choosing KDE over XFCE needs their head | examined. Sorry dooD, but my wife would never have quit Winders if it hadn't been for the KDE interface. Anything that is too different from Windows and it would have been a no go from the get go. It's call xenophobia, and 90% of the Windows users have it. All these folks want is an OS interface that is easy to use and understand, and especially one that they don't have to learn from scratch. Xfce, as much as I like it, is too different to be of use to your average Windows convert. Ditto for Enlightenment, Ice, and even Gnome. My wife described Gnome as weird looking and ugly. Any Windows user can convert to KDE without giving it much thought, and that makes it a useful interface, in my book. The other window managers are pretty much for geeks, even though many (most) are really more intelligently designed (that, I think, we can agree on). e Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Screenshots
Gettin' bored with my current selection of Pekwm themes, wondering if some people can post some screens of their WM for me to get some ideas, or otherwise steal/hack at. Cheers! (Please no candy-assed KDE or Aqua-been-done-to-death stuff) :-D -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 23:10:23 up 15 days, 22:53, 8 users, load average: 0.51, 0.38, 0.25 +++ The rich control all the businesses, the newspapers and everything else. But they can no longer control the people. -- Margarita Mendoza, street vendor, Venezuela Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:13:51 -0400 JoeHill wrote: Gettin' bored with my current selection of Pekwm themes, wondering if some people can post some screens of their WM for me to get some ideas You know you can always check-out mine when you need a thrill. Hell, you are the subject in one (-: Charles -- Where it is a duty to worship the sun it is pretty sure to be a crime to examine the laws of heat. -- Christopher Morley - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.8.1-1mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp7VZedmmxTi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:24:18 -0400 Charles A Edwards disseminated the following: Gettin' bored with my current selection of Pekwm themes, wondering if some people can post some screens of their WM for me to get some ideas You know you can always check-out mine when you need a thrill. Hell, you are the subject in one (-: Only 3 I can see, and I can't see my name mentioned, for better or worse ;-) -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 00:12:31 up 15 days, 23:55, 8 users, load average: 1.83, 1.94, 1.71 +++ It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth... -- Morpheus, in The Matrix, describing Fox News Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:14:15 -0400 JoeHill wrote: Only 3 I can see, and I can't see my name mentioned, for better or worse There may be only 3 but for those who are as familiar with your disposition and demeanor as I, there is no doubt as to the aspect which is the representation of you. If it was clutching sheep it Could be Stephen but as it is not it by elimination could only be a true-to-life pictorial of you of you. Charles -- Think of your family tonight. Try to crawl home after the computer crashes.- Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.8.1-1mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgpGNOs1Ydqyq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 00:33, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:14:15 -0400 JoeHill wrote: Only 3 I can see, and I can't see my name mentioned, for better or worse There may be only 3 but for those who are as familiar with your disposition and demeanor as I, there is no doubt as to the aspect which is the representation of you. If it was clutching sheep it Could be Stephen but as it is not it by elimination could only be a true-to-life pictorial of you of you. Charles Good grief Charles.. You piqued my curiosity so I went to look. I saw the three. WOW...what a powerful message you transmitted. You remind me of a 44 magnum revolver with two chambers loaded hollow point. You spin the cylinder and pull the trigger. You either hear a click or you blow a hole in the target a foot wide. Gotta watch out for those quiet ones.. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:33:44 -0400 Charles A Edwards disseminated the following: Only 3 I can see, and I can't see my name mentioned, for better or worse There may be only 3 but for those who are as familiar with your disposition and demeanor as I, there is no doubt as to the aspect which is the representation of you. If it was clutching sheep it Could be Stephen but as it is not it by elimination could only be a true-to-life pictorial of you of you. Wow, I didn't think I came off as *that* evil... -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 00:56:29 up 16 days, 39 min, 9 users, load average: 1.53, 1.62, 1.66 +++ Contrary to Bush's claim that his regime change in Iraq has produced a more stable Middle East, his actions have opened a hornet's nest of death and destruction. -- Marjorie Cohn, Thomas Jefferson School of Law Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Screenshots on my site
For any who visited my site previously what was shown in Screenshot was only a poor demo test. I have now gotten around to including 2 actual shots of this system. running 10.0 and Enlightenment-1.6.6. My normal size is 1280x1064 but I converted the shots to 1024x768 so you should not have to scroll much, if at all. Charles -- 'Now what?' it said. IT'S UP TO YOU. IT'S ALWAYS UP TO YOU. (Maskerade) - Mandrake Linux 10.0 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.6.0-0.3mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Screenshots on my site
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:56:06 -0500 Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For any who visited my site previously what was shown in Screenshot was only a poor demo test. I have now gotten around to including 2 actual shots of this system. running 10.0 and Enlightenment-1.6.6. My normal size is 1280x1064 but I converted the shots to 1024x768 so you should not have to scroll much, if at all Okay, that one chick is some pretty freaky shit. I had no idea, Charles... ;-) -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be.-- Lao Tsu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots on my site
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:08:39 -0500 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, that one chick is some pretty freaky shit. I used 2 shaded apps to kinda cover the appropriate spots, but I see your mind can still envision what the eyes do not see. Got to go now,my dungeon awaits and this maid is becoming tiresome. (-; Charles -- It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this. -- Bertrand Russell - Mandrake Linux 10.0 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.6.0-0.3mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Screenshots - was Netscape / Mozilla - spell checker
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 9:40 am, Margot wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 05 Sep 2003 10:14 pm, Margot wrote: Checked again - assume it should be in the middle section along with MIME encoding, keyboard shortcuts etc. - but in my 1.4 the check spelling option just isn't there! This is what it looks like on mine Anne Thanks for sending that Anne - now I know what I'm looking for! As an aside, I find it very helpful when people send me screnshots like this so I can compare them with mine - when you have some spare time, could you tell me how you do this? Thanks. KSnapshot is on your menu (and you can drag an icon from the menu to your kicker bar). It saves png files that are often a bit too big to include on a list post (if it pushes the total over 100kb it is bounces, and attaching seems to use a big overhead, so you need to stay below around 60kb of the pic). If I'm going to send them to the list I tend to open them in gimp first, crop away the part that isn't needed, and if necessary increase the compression factor. Sometimes, as in this case, it has to be a jpg to get it small enough. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots, OT
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:19:51 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: you guys are weird. i swear... totally weird. geeky isn't the word i'd use either...thats too nice ;) Femme O come on Femme...say what you really feel. ;) -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 12:05am up 9 days, 1:45, 3 users, load average: 1.64, 1.31, 0.85 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
On Sunday 17 March 2002 02:07 pm, Todd Slater wrote: I have received 3 screenshots so far. Send one off-list if you like, you can see them at http://clevername.homeip.net/gallery/ Todd You don't need my screenshot. Just take a picture of a blank screen (color as you wish, two tone if ya want. I prefer dark as in black). First thing I do after a fresh install is delete _all_ desktop icons, they're redundant and nothin but clutter. Then I install 'unclutter' (unclutter-0.8-1mdk) to make the pointer disappear when not in use. Then I configure the bottom panel (KDE) to quickly disappear unless I move the pointer down there. That is after I've removed most of the icons that a default install puts on it, and sized it to 'tiny'. I'm not alone, there's many of us in this cult (any OS) that don't like a bunch of useless cr@p on their screen ;~ -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots
Hi Steve, Do you want your pic in the gallery (the yours truly)? Thought I'd double-check! Todd On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:57:45 -0500 sda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 03:07:59PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote: I have received 3 screenshots so far. Send one off-list if you like, you can see them at http://clevername.homeip.net/gallery/ Not a bad idea, sent my yours truly and desktop screenshot. -- -^- -^- ? ?Steve ^ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' ` -- Todd Slater For those who stubbornly seek freedom, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the system of brainwashing under freedom to which we are subjected and which all too often we serve as willing or unwilling instruments. (Noam Chomsky) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots, OT
how do I make a screenshot? Femme I put the b in noob sda wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 03:07:59PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote: I have received 3 screenshots so far. Send one off-list if you like, you can see them at http://clevername.homeip.net/gallery/ Not a bad idea, sent my yours truly and desktop screenshot. -- -^- -^- ? ?Steve ^ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' ` Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots, OT
On Sunday 17 March 2002 19:19, you wrote: how do I make a screenshot? Femme I put the b in noob sda wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 03:07:59PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote: I have received 3 screenshots so far. Send one off-list if you like, you can see them at http://clevername.homeip.net/gallery/ Not a bad idea, sent my yours truly and desktop screenshot. -- -^- -^- ? ?Steve ^ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' ` Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com femme, bring up what ever you want showing on your desktop and then in the Kpanel, click on the K and go to multimediagraphicsscreencapture the pop up box is pretty self explanatory. Uncheck the box for capture only what the mouse pointer is in or what it says like that and then save to a file or directory of your choice. So then it is available as an attachment to a email. HTH -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots, OT
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:19:42 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do I make a screenshot? Femme I put the b in noob In KDE, there is a screen capture tool under Multimedia-Graphics. You can also use GIMP, by going to File-Acquire-Screen shot. Other ways? Todd -- Todd Slater Education is the process of driving a set of prejudices down your throat. (Martin H. Fischer) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots, OT
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:19:42 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: how do I make a screenshot? Femme Well Femme, you can accomplish this by one of two means. under the Multimedia-Graphics menu there is an item named Screen Capture, or you can start Gimp and do a screen capture from there. File-Acquire-screen shot -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 7:05pm up 1 day, 13:28, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 1.14, 0.78 screen_shot_ex.png Description: Binary data Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots, OT
thx guys. Didn't realize it was in the panel thingy. Femme daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:19:42 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: how do I make a screenshot? Femme Well Femme, you can accomplish this by one of two means. under the Multimedia-Graphics menu there is an item named Screen Capture, or you can start Gimp and do a screen capture from there. File-Acquire-screen shot -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 7:05pm up 1 day, 13:28, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 1.14, 0.78 Name: screen_shot_ex.png screen_shot_ex.pngType: PNG Image (image/png) Encoding: base64 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots, OT
On Sunday 17 March 2002 17:51, FemmeFatale opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: thx guys. Didn't realize it was in the panel thingy. we try not to use techie terms like panel thingy on this list. geek speek scares away the windows converts. :-D -- Psychic Convention. If you belong there, you will KNOW when and where. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots, OT
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:11:07 -0800 shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: On Sunday 17 March 2002 17:51, FemmeFatale opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: thx guys. Didn't realize it was in the panel thingy. we try not to use techie terms like panel thingy on this list. geek speek scares away the windows converts. :-D we like the kaos... -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 7:05pm up 1 day, 13:28, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 1.14, 0.78 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Screenshots, OT
you guys are weird. i swear... totally weird. geeky isn't the word i'd use either...thats too nice ;) Femme daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:11:07 -0800 shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: On Sunday 17 March 2002 17:51, FemmeFatale opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: thx guys. Didn't realize it was in the panel thingy. we try not to use techie terms like panel thingy on this list. geek speek scares away the windows converts. :-D we like the kaos... -- daRcmaTTeR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] screenshots?
At 01:59 PM 2/7/00 -0500, you wrote: its prolly the most simple thing to do, and i have no idea how to do it. how do i do screenshots? thanks in advance. ksnapshot. It's in the K menu under graphics. Also, you can type "ksnapshot" at the konsole. -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -()circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line."- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ | Paul Derbyshire Programmer Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|
[newbie] screenshots?
its prolly the most simple thing to do, and i have no idea how to do it. how do i do screenshots? thanks in advance. seth
Re: [newbie] screenshots?
You probally installed Gimp when you installed, so use that. You can just type "gimp" in the command prompt in X. Then after it starts up, go to "Xtns" in the menu bar, then hit the "Screen Shot" option. Then it'll give you a dialog box asking whether to get a single Window, or the whole screen. And you can probally figure it out from there. its prolly the most simple thing to do, and i have no idea how to do it. how do i do screenshots? -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Press any key to continue and any other key to quit
Re: [newbie] screenshots?
sethgimp does screenshots and even has a built in delay so you can get the gimp window minimized before the shot. Alan On Mon, 07 Feb 2000, you wrote: its prolly the most simple thing to do, and i have no idea how to do it. how do i do screenshots? thanks in advance. seth
Re: [newbie] screenshots?
Anthony Huereca wrote: You probally installed Gimp when you installed, so use that. You can just type "gimp" in the command prompt in X. Then after it starts up, go to "Xtns" in the menu bar, then hit the "Screen Shot" option. Then it'll give you a dialog box asking whether to get a single Window, or the whole screen. And you can probally figure it out from there. its prolly the most simple thing to do, and i have no idea how to do it. how do i do screenshots? There's a much easier way. Just go through the KDE menu up to graphics, then run SNAPSHOT. It's made just for taking snapshots of the screen or individual windows. I use it all the time. dave w
RE: [newbie] screenshots?
what about non-kde? X-Window in general -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2000 10:50am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] screenshots? Anthony Huereca wrote: You probally installed Gimp when you installed, so use that. You can just type "gimp" in the command prompt in X. Then after it starts up, go to "Xtns" in the menu bar, then hit the "Screen Shot" option. Then it'll give you a dialog box asking whether to get a single Window, or the whole screen. And you can probally figure it out from there. its prolly the most simple thing to do, and i have no idea how to do it. how do i do screenshots? There's a much easier way. Just go through the KDE menu up to graphics, then run SNAPSHOT. It's made just for taking snapshots of the screen or individual windows. I use it all the time. dave w
Re: [newbie] screenshots
I use ksnapshot. Just save it as a "jpg" or "png" if you want true color snapshots. HTH, Matt From: Seth Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] screenshots Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:38:54 -0800 Could anyone tell me if there is a way to take a screen shot of the desktop or what software would be useful for doing such? -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) The Functional Design of the UNIX Operating System is probably one of the few truly beautiful things left in the world. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
[newbie] screenshots
Could anyone tell me if there is a way to take a screen shot of the desktop or what software would be useful for doing such? -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) The Functional Design of the UNIX Operating System is probably one of the few truly beautiful things left in the world.
Re: [newbie] screenshots
xv ? "Grab" or autograb On Fri, 26 Nov 1999, Seth Gibson fingered: Could anyone tell me if there is a way to take a screen shot of the desktop or what software would be useful for doing such? -- Ronald Yeo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] Screenshots in KDE?
Does anybody know of a utility that will do screenshots in KDE (or X generally?) I ran across a trick using xv, but I could only get that to capture the xv window, which isn't what I'm trying to do. Any help is appreciated! -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring" -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
[newbie] Screenshots...
Never mind... a little more digging on freshmeat, and I found that ksnapshot is part of the package. -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring" -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille
