Re: [newbie] X server crash
On Sun, 2 May 2004 22:57:49 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity: what desktop are you running with 2 MB of video RAM? Shirley not KDE or Guh-nome! The choice of window manager is irrelevant. It's the video resolution that determines whether it'll fit. A lightweight window manager at the same screen resolution as KDE is going to use the same amount of video memory. I had an ATI Graphics expression card w/2 megs run in 1152x900x16bpp for years before I got my current Matrox card (with 16 megs). The OPs problem was that 2 megs is simply not enough resolution to run 1024x768 at 32bpp. OTOH, 2 megs was enough for the big iron 370 I first learned programming on at the local community college. But it was kinda painful. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] X server crash
On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:12:53 -0700 David E. Fox disseminated the following: The choice of window manager is irrelevant. It's the video resolution that determines whether it'll fit. A lightweight window manager at the same screen resolution as KDE is going to use the same amount of video memory. Not too concerned with how much memory it may use, but the amount of video RAM definitely affects performance/speed. KDE and Gnome are sloths on this MoBo with 8 MB of video RAM, not so when I had my GF4 Ti in an AGP slot. Even Pekwm doesn't have that 'split second' responsiveness I was used to. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org Kernel 2.4.22-21.tmb.1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 +++ 00:29:34 up 5 days, 10:56, 4 users, load average: 0.19, 0.06, 0.01 +++ Two different philosophies about the nature of human intellectual production are in confrontation. One of them has all the chips; the other has all the right answers. This is part of the long struggle in the history of human beings for the creation of freedom. This time, we win. -- Eben Moglen, Professor of Law Columbia University Law School, General Counsel Free Software Foundation Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] X server crash
I have installed Mandrake 10 Community. It seems the X server crashes when I start X e.g. startx I have attached the XFree86 log. Make no sense to me. XFree86.0.log Description: Binary data Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] X server crash
On Sunday 02 May 2004 5:10 pm, Jason Jesso wrote: I have installed Mandrake 10 Community. It seems the X server crashes when I start X e.g. startx I have attached the XFree86 log. Make no sense to me. I think this is it: (EE) ATI(0): Virtual size (1024x768) (pitch 1024) exceeds video memory Can you post the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and we'll be able to suggest some corrections to it. (II) ATI(0): Using 8 MB linear aperture at 0xFD00. (!!) ATI(0): Virtual resolutions will be limited to 2047 kB due to linear aperture size and/or placement of hardware cursor image area. ... (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 2048 kB You should manage 64k colours (16bpp) at 1024x768, or 24bpp at lower resolutions. How much video memory do you think the board has? -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] X server crash
I have attached the XF86Config-4 file. My video chip is on-board and has 2 MB memory. The strange thing is that these setting are the settings I had 2 versions of Mandrake ago. Seems now I have this problem since 9.2 Mandrake Linux. When I istalled 9.2 I got fustrated and never ever looked into it. But now I really Mandrake 10. - Original Message - From: Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] X server crash On Sunday 02 May 2004 5:10 pm, Jason Jesso wrote: I have installed Mandrake 10 Community. It seems the X server crashes when I start X e.g. startx I have attached the XFree86 log. Make no sense to me. I think this is it: (EE) ATI(0): Virtual size (1024x768) (pitch 1024) exceeds video memory Can you post the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and we'll be able to suggest some corrections to it. (II) ATI(0): Using 8 MB linear aperture at 0xFD00. (!!) ATI(0): Virtual resolutions will be limited to 2047 kB due to linear aperture size and/or placement of hardware cursor image area. ... (II) ATI(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 2048 kB You should manage 64k colours (16bpp) at 1024x768, or 24bpp at lower resolutions. How much video memory do you think the board has? -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com XF86Config-4 Description: Binary data Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] X server crash
On Sun, 2 May 2004 12:10:23 -0400 Jason Jesso disseminated the following: I have installed Mandrake 10 Community. It seems the X server crashes when I start X e.g. startx I have attached the XFree86 log. Make no sense to me. I'm no X-pert, but this *seems* to stand out to me: (EE) ATI(0): Virtual size (1024x768) (pitch 1024) exceeds video memory Run 'XFdrake' as root, and try different configurations (should allow you 'test' each one, til you get a useable config) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction. -- George Bush, Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] X server crash
Great. I changed it to 16bpp. that works. thanks - Original Message - From: JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] X server crash On Sun, 2 May 2004 12:10:23 -0400 Jason Jesso disseminated the following: I have installed Mandrake 10 Community. It seems the X server crashes when I start X e.g. startx I have attached the XFree86 log. Make no sense to me. I'm no X-pert, but this *seems* to stand out to me: (EE) ATI(0): Virtual size (1024x768) (pitch 1024) exceeds video memory Run 'XFdrake' as root, and try different configurations (should allow you 'test' each one, til you get a useable config) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction. -- George Bush, Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] X server crash
On Sunday 02 May 2004 6:05 pm, Jason Jesso wrote: I have attached the XF86Config-4 file. My video chip is on-board and has 2 MB memory. The strange thing is that these setting are the settings I had 2 versions of Mandrake ago. 2MB is really small these days. Seems the default install doesn't support it. Good to see you're working again though. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] X server crash
On Sun, 2 May 2004 13:47:29 -0400 Jason Jesso disseminated the following: Great. I changed it to 16bpp. that works. Just out of curiosity: what desktop are you running with 2 MB of video RAM? Shirley not KDE or Guh-nome! -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ The gambling known as business looks with austere disfavor upon the business known as gambling. -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] X-server crash
Here is a problem I have had a couple of times. I spend time on the net one night and everything is ok, I boot up the next day and my X-server won't boot, the screen just flashes off and on black to blue. I can't get in to server because I had it set to Boot to X-server. So both times I have had to re-install Linux as a new install, and since I haven't figured out how to back up data, I lose stuff. Nothing real important, but a pain to get back on the system. First, why do I lose the x-server (Window in KDE)? How do I get back the server without re-install, I have tried to do just an update but that fails. This is an annoying problem cause I thought linux was more stable than this, or more likely it's something I am doing. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Dennis
RE: [newbie] X-server crash
When the display falls back, try CTRL-ALT-F2 to switch to a free console. Sounds like something is playing with your permissions. To be on the safe side, once you have the machine back up running, back up /etc/Xfree86/XF86Config and your home dir - if it does go AWOL again you can over-write the config files wiht those copies get on with life until you track down what is hammering X. There aren't many instances where you have to reinstall Linux from scratch - at the outside, reinstall the X server rpm, the base X rpms and manually configure with xf86config. On Wednesday, June 28, 2000 10:28 PM, Dennis Myers [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Here is a problem I have had a couple of times. I spend time on the net one night and everything is ok, I boot up the next day and my X-server won't boot, the screen just flashes off and on black to blue. I can't get in to server because I had it set to Boot to X-server. So both times I have had to re-install Linux as a new install, and since I haven't figured out how to back up data, I lose stuff. Nothing real important, but a pain to get back on the system. First, why do I lose the x-server (Window in KDE)? How do I get back the server without re-install, I have tried to do just an update but that fails. This is an annoying problem cause I thought linux was more stable than this, or more likely it's something I am doing. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Dennis "WorldSecure Server lombard.co.uk" made the following annotations on 06/29/00 13:12:31 -- The opinions expressed within this email represent those of the individual and not necessarily those of Lombard North Central. The contents of this Email may be privileged and are confidential. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee(s), nor copied in any way. If received in error, please advise the sender, then delete from your system. Should you wish to use Email as a mode of communication, Lombard North Central PLC are unable to guarantee the security of Email content outside of our own computer systems. Lombard North Central PLC Registered in England No 337004 Registered Office 3 Princess Way Redhill Surrey RH1 1NP A Member of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group ==
Re: [newbie] X-server crash
Dennis, I think that you can hit ctrl-alt-backspace and it will exit the x-server (or is it esc instead of backspace)... anyway, then you could run the xconfigurator and see what settings you needed to change. Maybe this is incorrect, but I had a problem (not exactly the same) where I had the wrong video driver installed and had to get to a text prompt, did this, changed settings and was fine. I also think that it will show an error on boot potentially telling you what is wrong. As for fixing the problem, have you left it on to see if it happened during the night, as well? Maybe you could see what changed during the night that would cause it (the log)? just my two-cents... David Lawrence On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Dennis Myers wrote: Here is a problem I have had a couple of times. I spend time on the net one night and everything is ok, I boot up the next day and my X-server won't boot, the screen just flashes off and on black to blue. I can't get in to server because I had it set to Boot to X-server. So both times I have had to re-install Linux as a new install, and since I haven't figured out how to back up data, I lose stuff. Nothing real important, but a pain to get back on the system. First, why do I lose the x-server (Window in KDE)? How do I get back the server without re-install, I have tried to do just an update but that fails. This is an annoying problem cause I thought linux was more stable than this, or more likely it's something I am doing. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Dennis
Re: [newbie] X-server crash
If you automatically boot into X at startup and subsequently X fails, do not ssume that you have to do a reinstall. if you are using LILO then at the boot prompt just type in linux 3 and it will boot to a command prompt, from there you can login and as root run Xconfigurator to fix or just to reset (?) the Xserver. A lot of people that I've talked to don't boot into X for this very reason. Also if X is crahing a lot maybe you should play around with the settings in Xconfigurator until you get one that seems stable.
Re: [[newbie] X-server crash]
At the LILO prompt when first starting Linux type "linux 3" -- w/o quotes. That will take you to a text console, from there you can rerun your X setup with whatever config program your prefer. As to why you lose X config I have no idea. HTH Jaguar Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a problem I have had a couple of times. I spend time on the net one night and everything is ok, I boot up the next day and my X-server won't boot, the screen just flashes off and on black to blue. I can't get in to server because I had it set to Boot to X-server. So both times I have had to re-install Linux as a new install, and since I haven't figured out how to back up data, I lose stuff. Nothing real important, but a pain to get back on the system. First, why do I lose the x-server (Window in KDE)? How do I get back the server without re-install, I have tried to do just an update but that fails. This is an annoying problem cause I thought linux was more stable than this, or more likely it's something I am doing. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Dennis The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] X-server crash
On 28 Jun 00, at 16:27, Dennis Myers wrote: can't get in to server because I had it set to Boot to X-server. So both times I have had to re-install Linux as a new install, and since I haven't figured out how to back up data, I lose stuff. Nothing real Okay!! Set your init default to 3 , ie in /etc/inittab, set the initdefault from 5(which starts the X server on boot) to 3. Or, at lilo boot prompt(if you are using LILO), type linux 3. the x-server (Window in KDE)? How do I get back the server without re-install, I have tried to do just an update but that fails. This is an annoying problem cause I thought linux was more stable than this, or more likely it's something I am doing. Any suggestions would be greatly Linux is certainly more stable than many other operating systems...maybe some of your X settings are not correct. If you can, post what graphic device you are using, that is most likely to be the culprit. __ _ Sthitaprajna | (at)mailandnews(dot)com / / (_)__ __ __ / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / . . . t h e c h o i c e o f a //_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ G N U g e n e r a t i o n . . .
Re: [[newbie] X-server crash]
Jaguar wrote: At the LILO prompt when first starting Linux type "linux 3" -- w/o quotes. That will take you to a text console, from there you can rerun your X setup with whatever config program your prefer. As to why you lose X config I have no idea. HTH Jaguar Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a problem I have had a couple of times. I spend time on the net one night and everything is ok, I boot up the next day and my X-server won't boot, the screen just flashes off and on black to blue. I can't get in to server because I had it set to Boot to X-server. So both times I have had to re-install Linux as a new install, and since I haven't figured out how to back up data, I lose stuff. Nothing real important, but a pain to get back on the system. First, why do I lose the x-server (Window in KDE)? How do I get back the server without re-install, I have tried to do just an update but that fails. This is an annoying problem cause I thought linux was more stable than this, or more likely it's something I am doing. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Dennis The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. All the response indicates that I am not the first to have the problem. I have noted all solutions, and thanks to all. I will not do reinstalls from now on. I don't know the source of the problem unless it is the S3 Trio3D/2X agp card. If I keep having the problem I may change cards. Any suggestions for a card that 7.0 likes? Thanks again for the response.
[newbie] X Server Crash
I've been trying to get through X not working and finally had to do an ftp upgrade from the pub/linux/mandrake/current to reload the packages. Now when I do a "startx" the server attempts to run, then crashes. It recognizes my S3 Trio 3D chipset, but says there is no mode definition for "800 x 600": SVGA: There is no mode definition named "800 x 600" SVGA: Removing mode "800 x 600" from list of valid modes SVGA: There is no mode definition named "600 x 400" Fatal server error: No valid modes found. When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last message. X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). My questions are; 1) How do I send the entire server output and who to?, 2)Any suggestions on how to fix this? I've done the upgrade thing a few times with no luck. When I try "XF86Setup", it says "XF86Setup: command not found". Did the package not install and is there a way I can check? Or, is this just a problem with the S3 Trio 3D video? The system is an IBM Netfinity 3000 (PII 350, 128 meg, 4 meg video, 9.1 gig SCSI -2) with a custom server install ftp'd from the /linux/current directory. Sorry for so many questions, but I hope there is a simple answer. Victor
RE: [newbie] X Server Crash
On 07-Mar-2000 Victor Richardson wrote: I've been trying to get through X not working and finally had to do an ftp upgrade from the pub/linux/mandrake/current to reload the packages. Now when I do a "startx" the server attempts to run, then crashes. It recognizes my S3 Trio 3D chipset, but says there is no mode definition for "800 x 600": SVGA: There is no mode definition named "800 x 600" SVGA: Removing mode "800 x 600" from list of valid modes SVGA: There is no mode definition named "600 x 400" Fatal server error: No valid modes found. When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last message. X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). My questions are; 1) How do I send the entire server output and who to?, 2)Any suggestions on how to fix this? I've done the upgrade thing a few times with no luck. When I try "XF86Setup", it says "XF86Setup: command not found". Did the package not install and is there a way I can check? Or, is this just a problem with the S3 Trio 3D video? The system is an IBM Netfinity 3000 (PII 350, 128 meg, 4 meg video, 9.1 gig SCSI -2) with a custom server install ftp'd from the /linux/current directory. Sorry for so many questions, but I hope there is a simple answer. Victor No, XF86Setup isn't installed by default, since the X server configuration stuff is usually done during configuration. The package is: XFree86-XF86Setup-3.3.6-4mdk.i586.rpm Personally, I like the Xconfigurator better: Xconfigurator-4.2.10-3mdk.i586.rpm Install either of those and run them as 'root'. If you are a masochist, you can also try the old xf86config console program right now ;-). Regards tom -- "No fun, no gain" Thomas 'tom' Berger, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) http://www.mandrakeuser.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
