Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
Another reason why Mandrake is doomed... how can they keep on updating it, if they don't get any morey for it? Simple answer: they don't. I learned my lesson when KDE updated to 1.1.1 and installing it on my Mandrake proved impossible (worse: I lost my Xwindows) If you want it cheap, download it and burn your own. Mandrake is not the standard and necver will be. Pity. It was nice while it lasted. :-( Why does it need to be the standard? And exactly what are we judging it against? My Mandrake installation runs exactly the same software as a distribution that I might build myself. Of course you can... it's just that Mandrake was billed as the friendliest for newbies. Well the upgrade woes I had from KDE 1.1 to 1.1.1 opened my eyes. Of course there should be distributions for the nerds to play with, but if Linux is to grow BIG, we also need major distributions for the newbies without the unpeasant surprised... Rgds Martin
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
Martin Cleaver wrote: Another reason why Mandrake is doomed... how can they keep on updating it, if they don't get any morey for it? Simple answer: they don't. I learned my lesson when KDE updated to 1.1.1 and installing it on my Mandrake proved impossible (worse: I lost my Xwindows) If you want it cheap, download it and burn your own. Mandrake is not the standard and necver will be. Pity. It was nice while it lasted. :-( Why does it need to be the standard? And exactly what are we judging it against? My Mandrake installation runs exactly the same software as a distribution that I might build myself. Of course you can... it's just that Mandrake was billed as the friendliest for newbies. Well the upgrade woes I had from KDE 1.1 to 1.1.1 opened my eyes. Of course there should be distributions for the nerds to play with, but if Linux is to grow BIG, we also need major distributions for the newbies without the unpeasant surprised... Did Mandrake release updated KDE packages? (I'm asking honestly, because I don't track their updates - I did the KDE upgrade by hand-compiling everything) If Mandrake didn't ship updates, it's your own fault for the problems. You can't exactly blame Microsoft for problems if you hack at your registry and your machine stops working, either. -- Steve Philp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
Just my 2p worth I recently installed RH6 on a new hard disk having rebuilt my PC. Mainly for curiosity as i knew i would blow it away again when Mandrake 6 comes out. The following doesn't work out of the box... 1. BS/DEL problem with X. 2. UK keyboard map requested during install, but don't work. 3. Zip drive not preconfiured on desktop. 4. CD Writer not configured on Desktop (actually never gets detected, only the reader that was in use during install - could this be addressed please ??) 5. No user mount/dismount on devices. 6. No ftp access to machine by default. Now i'm not asking for help with these things (i can't be bothered, i'm only binding time until Mandrake 6 comes out) - i could fix them all very easily, but that's not the point newbies might not be able to !! The point is, this is only a small list as i'm not using the box in question at the moment, there were a lot more 'niggly' things. I can guarantee when Mandrake 6 comes out all bar one of these will not need to be done on my next install. Need i say more... Martin. - Original Message - From: Idris Samawi Hamid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 11:41 PM Subject: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake Dear folks: I recently spoke to my computer hardware dealer about upgrading some of my computer parts. He told me that once he was done he would install RedHat 6.0 for me. I told him I wanted Mandrake and this is what he said: "Mandrake is dead. The whole idea behind Mandrake was to integrate KDE with RedHat. Now that RedHat has KDE as an option, what's the need for Mandrake?" In response I muttered a couple of things about extra tidbits that come with Mandrake but I did not sound very convincing, even to myself. I think that Mandrake needs a new mission statement or manifesto; what's present on the website is no longer satisfactory. I want to stick with Mandrake in part because I believe that RedHat's former anti-KDE attitude truly hurt (or at least slowed down) the Linux cause and I do not really want to reward them for merely caving in to the pressure that distros like Mandrake put them under. Unless Mandrake Linux convincingly and clearly reassesses its raison d'etre and redirects its focus to present and potential members of the Linux community, I am afraid that this wonderful distro will indeed become irrelevant. Now it may be that the leaders of the Mandrake organization are clear about this, but the info on the web page (e.g. http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fpolicy.html and http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ffaq.html ) does not reflect this in a coherent and convincing way. Best wishes to all Idris
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
- Original Message - From: Philip Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake I agree Redhat 6.0 has problems but again these can be addressed and fixed by RedHat so lets find another reason to keep Mandrake around as a distro!!! Mandrake can't keep coming out with versions that just fix or beautify RedHat and still be considered a player in the distribution wars!! Please MandrakeSoft brainstorm and come up with an idea that will make Mandrake a bit more unique!!! I'm really not sure i want to start any kind of 'whos better than who' thread here (but i'm going to anyway!). It's up to Mandrakesoft to defend themselves on this one - after all it makes no odds to me which distribution i use as long as it suits me. All i really meant is that personally i find Mandrake to be more configured the way i want as standard (and slightly more polished to boot). That in turn saves me time and ultimately money. If two shops were selling the same item of clothing, one fitted you slightly better, and was available cheaper and easier (for me anyway) then you wouldn't complain about the cheaper one existing then - would you ? .Why not have the same item available from more than one place? Obviously you can then go on to look at the differences in distro's in terms of Lothar and all the other things that may or may not be in the pipeline. Over to Mandrakesoft Martin. [SNIP]
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
Doug Brown wrote: In response I muttered a couple of things about extra tidbits that come with Mandrake but I did not sound very convincing, even to myself. Are you forgetting about cost? RH 6.0 Official is $80.00 with the core version $40.00. I paid, like, $1.89 plus SH for Mandrake 5.3. Big difference! Another reason why Mandrake is doomed... how can they keep on updating it, if they don't get any morey for it? Simple answer: they don't. I learned my lesson when KDE updated to 1.1.1 and installing it on my Mandrake proved impossible (worse: I lost my Xwindows) If you want it cheap, download it and burn your own. Mandrake is not the standard and necver will be. Pity. It was nice while it lasted. :-( Rgds Martin ,
RE: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
I had decided that since I liked the Mandrake 5.3 (I had downloaded the .iso file, burnt a cdrom, and installed it from there), I would actually purchase the Mandrake 6.0 Power-pack from CCSoft at about $50 - Hopfully Mandrake will see some revenue from it. Bill -Original Message- From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 4:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake In response I muttered a couple of things about extra tidbits that come with Mandrake but I did not sound very convincing, even to myself. Are you forgetting about cost? RH 6.0 Official is $80.00 with the core version $40.00. I paid, like, $1.89 plus SH for Mandrake 5.3. Big difference! Doug Brown.
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
On Mon, 24 May 1999, Martin Cleaver wrote: Another reason why Mandrake is doomed... It isn't. how can they keep on updating it, if they don't get any morey for it? Simple answer: they don't. Did you have a look at the 6.0 beta? Would you call it "not updated"? Granted, we haven't released many updates to 5.3 recently, but the one and only reason for this is that we're rather busy working on 6.0 right now. I learned my lesson when KDE updated to 1.1.1 and installing it on my Mandrake proved impossible (worse: I lost my Xwindows) This can have only two reasons - either you tried to install a wrong RPM (maybe an RPM for Mandrake 6, which can't work?), or you tried to compile yourself and made some mistake. KDE 1.1.1 works rather well on my Mandrake boxes, and is included with 6.0. LLaP bero
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
Martin Cleaver wrote: Doug Brown wrote: In response I muttered a couple of things about extra tidbits that come with Mandrake but I did not sound very convincing, even to myself. Are you forgetting about cost? RH 6.0 Official is $80.00 with the core version $40.00. I paid, like, $1.89 plus SH for Mandrake 5.3. Big difference! Another reason why Mandrake is doomed... how can they keep on updating it, if they don't get any morey for it? Simple answer: they don't. I learned my lesson when KDE updated to 1.1.1 and installing it on my Mandrake proved impossible (worse: I lost my Xwindows) If you want it cheap, download it and burn your own. Mandrake is not the standard and necver will be. Pity. It was nice while it lasted. :-( Why does it need to be the standard? And exactly what are we judging it against? My Mandrake installation runs exactly the same software as a distribution that I might build myself. It's not like they're shipping BSD libc with it or anything... All this "top of the market" crap really drags on me. Can't we just have a cool little distribution to play with? -- Steve Philp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
Brian Erikson wrote: Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: "Mandrake is dead. The whole idea behind Mandrake was to integrate KDE with RedHat. Now that RedHat has KDE as an option, what's the need for Mandrake?" Idris, Well I have installed both RH6.0 and Mandrake5.3 and the Mandrake installation is much better even tho older. I think Mandrake will do a wonderful job on the next release and will more than likely be worth the money. Brian Just talk to people using Redhat and you'll be surprised as to how many features they still have to configure on their box. Mandrake is not only Redhat + KDE. It's overall a better distribution in all aspects and we have to give the Mandrake team credit for that. Redhats RPM packaging just provides the packaging of the software (It sounds redundant I know). If Mandrake was just a mirror image of Redhat then why make us wait for Mandrake 6. They could have ridden the bandwagon which Redhat unfortunately seems to have done and released it. Redhat 6 is using many early releases while Mandrake 6 I expect would put in the more stable versions. Gilbert
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: "Mandrake is dead. The whole idea behind Mandrake was to integrate KDE with RedHat. Now that RedHat has KDE as an option, what's the need for Mandrake?" Idris, Well I have installed both RH6.0 and Mandrake5.3 and the Mandrake installation is much better even tho older. I think Mandrake will do a wonderful job on the next release and will more than likely be worth the money. Brian
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
I for one like mandrake better, i like the interaction i get and how easy it is to get help from knoligable people, i mean iv noticed that people using redhat 6.0 sometimes use the mandrake list G overall the mandrake just seems better : )
Re: [expert] Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
Let me quote the web site: "This linux distribution is user friendly. This distribution is powerful. This distribution is low-risk. This distribution is free. This distribution suits you. " Jean-Michel Dault Vice-President/RD NetRevolution inc. Company web site: http://www.netrevolution.com Personal web site: http://jm.netrevolution.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The first ISP to standardize on Linux-Mandrake" =) On Mon, 24 May 1999, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote: Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 01:05:08 + (GMT) From: Bernhard Rosenkraenzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake On Sun, 23 May 1999, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: I recently spoke to my computer hardware dealer about upgrading some of my computer parts. He told me that once he was done he would install RedHat 6.0 for me. I told him I wanted Mandrake and this is what he said: "Mandrake is dead. Now if we were Microsoft, he'd get a $100,000,000,000 lawsuit for this. ;) Tell him the fact that we don't do this is enough of a reason to support Mandrake. ;) The whole idea behind Mandrake was to integrate KDE with RedHat. Now that RedHat has KDE as an option, what's the need for Mandrake?" Until we have a better list (should be soon), you can tell him Mandrake 6.0 is - faster (pentium optimizations) - easier (some packages better preconfigured; user creation at installation time; desktopcfg to allow easy switching between KDE, GNOME and Plain X; more packages) - less space consuming (bzip2'ed man pages) - more current (for example kernel 2.2.9, kde 1.1.1final, gnome-libs 1.0.9) - better with hardware compatibility (CD writers, ISDN, ...) - closer to its users (did you ever get a reply to a feature suggestion or something from RH?) I'm quite sure there are more things worth mentioning, but I'm currently working on some other important stuff. ;) LLaP bero
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
You can also get RH6.0 for $1.89 from cheapbytes. On Sun, 23 May 1999 03:56:24 -0800, Doug Brown wrote: In response I muttered a couple of things about extra tidbits that come with Mandrake but I did not sound very convincing, even to myself. Are you forgetting about cost? RH 6.0 Official is $80.00 with the core version $40.00. I paid, like, $1.89 plus SH for Mandrake 5.3. Big difference! Doug Brown.
Re: [newbie] Relevance of Mandrake
On Sun, 23 May 1999, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: I recently spoke to my computer hardware dealer about upgrading some of my computer parts. He told me that once he was done he would install RedHat 6.0 for me. I told him I wanted Mandrake and this is what he said: "Mandrake is dead. Now if we were Microsoft, he'd get a $100,000,000,000 lawsuit for this. ;) Tell him the fact that we don't do this is enough of a reason to support Mandrake. ;) The whole idea behind Mandrake was to integrate KDE with RedHat. Now that RedHat has KDE as an option, what's the need for Mandrake?" Until we have a better list (should be soon), you can tell him Mandrake 6.0 is - faster (pentium optimizations) - easier (some packages better preconfigured; user creation at installation time; desktopcfg to allow easy switching between KDE, GNOME and Plain X; more packages) - less space consuming (bzip2'ed man pages) - more current (for example kernel 2.2.9, kde 1.1.1final, gnome-libs 1.0.9) - better with hardware compatibility (CD writers, ISDN, ...) - closer to its users (did you ever get a reply to a feature suggestion or something from RH?) I'm quite sure there are more things worth mentioning, but I'm currently working on some other important stuff. ;) LLaP bero
