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Sorry, but the say that Linux becomes like Windows is the day i go back to windows, i dont want it to be simple! wheres the challenge in that? -- Jamie Adams Housing Assistant 41 Castle Road SCARBOROUGH North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 June 2001 03:15 To:Wendell Gragg; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:11, Wendell Gragg wrote: I think that you have hit on the crux of the problem for Linux...it still requires a fairly high degree of technical proficiency to install and run it. As long as this is the case, MS and MAC will have an advantage in the consumer market. Granted, this platform has come a very long way with the improvements in KDE and Gnome just in the last year, but it is still full of glitches that will hamper it being widely distributed and pre-installed on home machines. UNIX (including GNU/Linux) *can* be made ready for the desktop. MacOS X is proof. For example, I have had a number of problems getting printing to work correctly since I installed LM8. It turns out that I had to go in and change some settings in a cup.conf file to get it even half way reliable. I also have had problems upgrading as the RPM manager does not seem to have a list of update sites except in the security tab. This can be confusing (and still is to me) because when one sees a tab for security, he/she will assume that this is for security related updates only. What if I don't want that kind of update? Where do I get them? Burning CD's is another problem. I have tried to get the two cd burning programs installed by default to burn cds. Gcombust finally has, but I can't get it to make a bootable copy of the install disk 1 for LM8. There is no documentation I can find and the it certainly not self explanatory. Is your CD-ROM drive actually bootable? My friend bought a new computer only a few months ago and he found that the CD-ROM drive wouldn't boot with any bootable CD. If you burn Mandrake from an ISO image then the resulting CD will be bootable. My point is that unless one is very competent with OS's, Linux is hard to use and understand. Even when one has been working in the field for 27 years as I have, there is a steep learning curve. For all of Microsoft's problems, their OS works most of the time out of the box and is not that hard for the average consumer to use. There are many sources of help for the non-techie as well as the tech. Classes abound (both for free and for fee) on how to use things such as Word and IE5. ( I know because I am the automation coordinator for a public library system and we offer free classes.) These are hard things for any OS to overcome. Can it be done? Yes, but the platform will have to continue to mature and great emphasis will have to be made on improving and simplifying interfaces and insulating the non-technical user from the internals of the system. Most users will not put up with what I and many others who have posted here for help have had to go through. The difference between them and us is that we have the mindset of not letting the computer win and enough technical know-how to try different things. Perhaps, as world governments and more in business embrace the concepts that Linux is founded upon, and time effort and money are put into simplifying things, then the average consumer will be willing and able to buy into it also. The next couple of years should be interesting, especially considering what MS is doing to combat piracy. BTW, I am a user who has installed Linux twice. Once about a year ago and then abandoned it because I did not have time to learn it and now, because I wish to get my feet wet into the Unix world and because I don't like what MS is getting ready to do with its licensing. They are not intended to bash anybody or anything, but only to honestly express what I feel could hold up the revolution. Before anyone flames me, please let me get my asbestos underwear! Wendell Gragg From: Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:32:25 +0300 Well, for me Linux still is a secondary OS. I'm now going to start doing office jobs in StarOffice, but as long as I can't get modem to work, I can't do Internet stuff. Also, I have been writing apps for VisualBasic, and continue to do that in Win. But, I spend an even increasing amount of time in Linux. I'm proud with my OS knowledge: I have perfect knowledge of Windows 3.0, 3.1 and especially 3.11, as well as Windows 95 and 98. I know NT series (especially W2K Server), even though I really hate W2K. I know the very basics of BeOS - at least I can install it, install apps under it, and do some little job. I'm familiar with the Solaris OS, and am now gaining
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on Linux at http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
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11th?! just laying around doing basicaly nothing!?! I've got one word for you: BEOWULF!!! Either that or you could just save the trouble and pass me one :-) On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:19, h3rb wrote: Damn..I feel for ya. I had a 1.2g tbird/512pc133 about 7 months ago. I am now awaiting the palimino so I can go dual palimino's with UW2 scsi! (of course the 1.2 will turn into my 11th linux server that is just laying around doing basicaly nothing!) h3rb On Thursday 14 June 2001 21:33, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Lucky dog! If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB of RAM). Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged saps who aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new state-of-the-art computer :-) Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do is SCREAM Have fun! :-) P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13, Paul wrote: Hi all, Just got the new pc in. 1.2Ghz Athlon and 256 megs. I started part of the Linux MDK 8 install, just to see if the ATA100 Maxtors (2 x 30Gb) would be detected. Well... they are. And man, is that machine FLYING!! Happy me, next weekend there's something to PLAY!! :-) Paul -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
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I'd like to get in on a piece of that myself .. :-) Terry On Friday 15 June 2001 02:51, you wrote: 11th?! just laying around doing basicaly nothing!?! I've got one word for you: BEOWULF!!! Either that or you could just save the trouble and pass me one :-) On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:19, h3rb wrote: Damn..I feel for ya. I had a 1.2g tbird/512pc133 about 7 months ago. I am now awaiting the palimino so I can go dual palimino's with UW2 scsi! (of course the 1.2 will turn into my 11th linux server that is just laying around doing basicaly nothing!) h3rb On Thursday 14 June 2001 21:33, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Lucky dog! If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB of RAM). Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged saps who aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new state-of-the-art computer :-) Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do is SCREAM Have fun! :-) P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13, Paul wrote: Hi all, Just got the new pc in. 1.2Ghz Athlon and 256 megs. I started part of the Linux MDK 8 install, just to see if the ATA100 Maxtors (2 x 30Gb) would be detected. Well... they are. And man, is that machine FLYING!! Happy me, next weekend there's something to PLAY!! :-) Paul
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On Thursday 14 June 2001 21:33, I was honoured by a missive from Sridhar Dhanapalan that said : If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB of RAM). You lucky br ! I am just now fighting with a 66 MHz K6, 96 Mo RAM ;-( Cheers, Ron the Frog, breaking the tenth command on the banks of the Paraguay River. -- Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away. -- --- http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati ---
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Gm. Running a machine that was something amazing when bought, but nothing spectacular now, not being upgraded since then - 466MHz, 64 RAM, 9 Gb HDD, 6 years old monitor (just love that one), 32 MB video RAM. As there's only one game I really play much, and this isn't like Quake, which takes resources, I can live with this. For development, this is thus far enough, at least in Windows. When I work on Linux Kernel, will probably want to add another 64 MB to my RAM. Solver - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jay needs a Guinness [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: You are chugging?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC is horribly obsolete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to buy Win ever again, and I miss Macs. If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on Linux at http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
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Scream or buy his PC. Solver - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]; newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow Lucky dog! If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB of RAM). Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged saps who aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new state-of-the-art computer :-) Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do is SCREAM Have fun! :-) P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13, Paul wrote: Hi all, Just got the new pc in. 1.2Ghz Athlon and 256 megs. I started part of the Linux MDK 8 install, just to see if the ATA100 Maxtors (2 x 30Gb) would be detected. Well... they are. And man, is that machine FLYING!! Happy me, next weekend there's something to PLAY!! :-) Paul -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. It's okay to be paranoid when they ARE all after you.
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KDE sucks was my first thought when I first ran Linux, almost a year ago. Even though for a very short time. Love GNOME - it looks better, love the Panel, even though, I mostly either use StarrOffice, or sit neck deep in a terminal. Solver - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adams, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Linux List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow I guess it really depends on what you do with your system. I like to push mine right to its limits, running stuff like Windows in VMware (which is reasonably usable) and having several different web browsers open on a GNOME desktop. I've noticed that KDE and especially IceWM are faster than GNOME, but I find that GNOME suits my needs better (nothing can compare to Sawfish and the GNOME Panel :-) On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26, Adams, Jamie wrote: I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no complaints here.. -- Jamie Adams Housing Assistant 41 Castle Road SCARBOROUGH North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 June 2001 07:33 To: Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on Linux at http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
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Well, for me Linux still is a secondary OS. I'm now going to start doing office jobs in StarOffice, but as long as I can't get modem to work, I can't do Internet stuff. Also, I have been writing apps for VisualBasic, and continue to do that in Win. But, I spend an even increasing amount of time in Linux. I'm proud with my OS knowledge: I have perfect knowledge of Windows 3.0, 3.1 and especially 3.11, as well as Windows 95 and 98. I know NT series (especially W2K Server), even though I really hate W2K. I know the very basics of BeOS - at least I can install it, install apps under it, and do some little job. I'm familiar with the Solaris OS, and am now gaining knowledge of Linux. When I get to interm. user level, I'll use my programming knowledge to recompile the source to suit my needs. Solver - Original Message - From: Tim Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Adams, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Linux List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow I'm also the kind of person that likes to beat the hell out of a machine! One reason why I had to get away from Windows. IT couldn't keep up. If a machine can't handle 8 different programs running, it can't keep up with my usual 15-18 *term's running that I do work on, playing small games, email, Mozilla and Netscape running plus w3m. I don't use KMail and I do a lot of things via console, but I run tons of apps on a regular basis. I can't stand GNOME, and I KDE uses up too many valuable processes I could be using on something else! :0) So I use Enlightenment with a rather small theme. That way I can have 36 desktops to do the billions of things I like to do. I'm running on a Duron 850, which is going to be upgraded to a T-Bird 1.2 to use the 266 FSB on my Motherboard. I have 256 MG RAM, and 50 GB of disk space in that machine I believe. A 20 GB and a 30 GB. But my previous P2 400 w/ 256 MG RAM took the load pretty well. Not as well as this machine, but it took the beating. My only problems were in KDE and having KDE apps die on me. tdh T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! | I guess it really depends on what you do with your system. I like to | push mine right to its limits, running stuff like Windows in VMware | (which is reasonably usable) and having several different web browsers | open on a GNOME desktop. I've noticed that KDE and especially IceWM | are faster than GNOME, but I find that GNOME suits my needs better | (nothing can compare to Sawfish and the GNOME Panel :-) | | | On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26, Adams, Jamie wrote: | I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba | Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, | everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no | complaints here.. -- | Jamie Adams | Housing Assistant | | 41 Castle Road | SCARBOROUGH | North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ | | Tel: (01723) 507543 | Fax: (01723) 355862 | | -- | | From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 15 June 2001 07:33 | To: Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List | Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow | | On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: | You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix | 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me | PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new | computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse | to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. | | If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was | absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts | a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but | it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like | Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. | | I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, | Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at | the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a | nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in | Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on | Linux at | http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. | | -- | Sridhar Dhanapalan. | There are two major products that come from Berkeley: | LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. | -- Jeremy S. Anderson | --
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I think that you have hit on the crux of the problem for Linux...it still requires a fairly high degree of technical proficiency to install and run it. As long as this is the case, MS and MAC will have an advantage in the consumer market. Granted, this platform has come a very long way with the improvements in KDE and Gnome just in the last year, but it is still full of glitches that will hamper it being widely distributed and pre-installed on home machines. For example, I have had a number of problems getting printing to work correctly since I installed LM8. It turns out that I had to go in and change some settings in a cup.conf file to get it even half way reliable. I also have had problems upgrading as the RPM manager does not seem to have a list of update sites except in the security tab. This can be confusing (and still is to me) because when one sees a tab for security, he/she will assume that this is for security related updates only. What if I don't want that kind of update? Where do I get them? Burning CD's is another problem. I have tried to get the two cd burning programs installed by default to burn cds. Gcombust finally has, but I can't get it to make a bootable copy of the install disk 1 for LM8. There is no documentation I can find and the it certainly not self explanatory. My point is that unless one is very competent with OS's, Linux is hard to use and understand. Even when one has been working in the field for 27 years as I have, there is a steep learning curve. For all of Microsoft's problems, their OS works most of the time out of the box and is not that hard for the average consumer to use. There are many sources of help for the non-techie as well as the tech. Classes abound (both for free and for fee) on how to use things such as Word and IE5. ( I know because I am the automation coordinator for a public library system and we offer free classes.) These are hard things for any OS to overcome. Can it be done? Yes, but the platform will have to continue to mature and great emphasis will have to be made on improving and simplifying interfaces and insulating the non-technical user from the internals of the system. Most users will not put up with what I and many others who have posted here for help have had to go through. The difference between them and us is that we have the mindset of not letting the computer win and enough technical know-how to try different things. Perhaps, as world governments and more in business embrace the concepts that Linux is founded upon, and time effort and money are put into simplifying things, then the average consumer will be willing and able to buy into it also. The next couple of years should be interesting, especially considering what MS is doing to combat piracy. BTW, I am a user who has installed Linux twice. Once about a year ago and then abandoned it because I did not have time to learn it and now, because I wish to get my feet wet into the Unix world and because I don't like what MS is getting ready to do with its licensing. They are not intended to bash anybody or anything, but only to honestly express what I feel could hold up the revolution. Before anyone flames me, please let me get my asbestos underwear! Wendell Gragg From: Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:32:25 +0300 Well, for me Linux still is a secondary OS. I'm now going to start doing office jobs in StarOffice, but as long as I can't get modem to work, I can't do Internet stuff. Also, I have been writing apps for VisualBasic, and continue to do that in Win. But, I spend an even increasing amount of time in Linux. I'm proud with my OS knowledge: I have perfect knowledge of Windows 3.0, 3.1 and especially 3.11, as well as Windows 95 and 98. I know NT series (especially W2K Server), even though I really hate W2K. I know the very basics of BeOS - at least I can install it, install apps under it, and do some little job. I'm familiar with the Solaris OS, and am now gaining knowledge of Linux. When I get to interm. user level, I'll use my programming knowledge to recompile the source to suit my needs. Solver - Original Message - From: Tim Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Adams, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Linux List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow I'm also the kind of person that likes to beat the hell out of a machine! One reason why I had to get away from Windows. IT couldn't keep up. If a machine can't handle 8 different programs running, it can't keep up with my usual 15-18 *term's running that I do work on, playing small games, email, Mozilla and Netscape running plus w3m. I don't use KMail and I do a lot of things via console, but I run tons of apps on a regular basis. I can't stand GNOME, and I KDE uses up too many
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I have to agree with you there, Solver. I'm giving KDE a thorough test now, though, since I somehow trashed my Sawfish. I can get other wm's to work with Gnome but I love my Fish too much, so I'm doing the KDE thing. KDE just has a cold feel to me. Gnome gives me a warm feeling and like you say, the panel is to die for. I'm a bit concerned about the instability that's been reported in Gnome 1.4, though; I don't have it yet, still waiting on my LM 8 to be delivered. Jay On Friday 15 June 2001 14:32, Solver wrote: KDE sucks was my first thought when I first ran Linux, almost a year ago. Even though for a very short time. Love GNOME - it looks better, love the Panel, even though, I mostly either use StarrOffice, or sit neck deep in a terminal. Solver - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adams, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Linux List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow I guess it really depends on what you do with your system. I like to push mine right to its limits, running stuff like Windows in VMware (which is reasonably usable) and having several different web browsers open on a GNOME desktop. I've noticed that KDE and especially IceWM are faster than GNOME, but I find that GNOME suits my needs better (nothing can compare to Sawfish and the GNOME Panel :-) On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26, Adams, Jamie wrote: I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no complaints here.. -- Jamie Adams Housing Assistant 41 Castle Road SCARBOROUGH North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 June 2001 07:33 To: Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on Linux at http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson -- I thought I had an appetite for destruction, but all I really wanted was a club sandwich
Re: [newbie] Wow
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:11, Wendell Gragg wrote: I think that you have hit on the crux of the problem for Linux...it still requires a fairly high degree of technical proficiency to install and run it. As long as this is the case, MS and MAC will have an advantage in the consumer market. Granted, this platform has come a very long way with the improvements in KDE and Gnome just in the last year, but it is still full of glitches that will hamper it being widely distributed and pre-installed on home machines. UNIX (including GNU/Linux) *can* be made ready for the desktop. MacOS X is proof. For example, I have had a number of problems getting printing to work correctly since I installed LM8. It turns out that I had to go in and change some settings in a cup.conf file to get it even half way reliable. I also have had problems upgrading as the RPM manager does not seem to have a list of update sites except in the security tab. This can be confusing (and still is to me) because when one sees a tab for security, he/she will assume that this is for security related updates only. What if I don't want that kind of update? Where do I get them? Burning CD's is another problem. I have tried to get the two cd burning programs installed by default to burn cds. Gcombust finally has, but I can't get it to make a bootable copy of the install disk 1 for LM8. There is no documentation I can find and the it certainly not self explanatory. Is your CD-ROM drive actually bootable? My friend bought a new computer only a few months ago and he found that the CD-ROM drive wouldn't boot with any bootable CD. If you burn Mandrake from an ISO image then the resulting CD will be bootable. My point is that unless one is very competent with OS's, Linux is hard to use and understand. Even when one has been working in the field for 27 years as I have, there is a steep learning curve. For all of Microsoft's problems, their OS works most of the time out of the box and is not that hard for the average consumer to use. There are many sources of help for the non-techie as well as the tech. Classes abound (both for free and for fee) on how to use things such as Word and IE5. ( I know because I am the automation coordinator for a public library system and we offer free classes.) These are hard things for any OS to overcome. Can it be done? Yes, but the platform will have to continue to mature and great emphasis will have to be made on improving and simplifying interfaces and insulating the non-technical user from the internals of the system. Most users will not put up with what I and many others who have posted here for help have had to go through. The difference between them and us is that we have the mindset of not letting the computer win and enough technical know-how to try different things. Perhaps, as world governments and more in business embrace the concepts that Linux is founded upon, and time effort and money are put into simplifying things, then the average consumer will be willing and able to buy into it also. The next couple of years should be interesting, especially considering what MS is doing to combat piracy. BTW, I am a user who has installed Linux twice. Once about a year ago and then abandoned it because I did not have time to learn it and now, because I wish to get my feet wet into the Unix world and because I don't like what MS is getting ready to do with its licensing. They are not intended to bash anybody or anything, but only to honestly express what I feel could hold up the revolution. Before anyone flames me, please let me get my asbestos underwear! Wendell Gragg From: Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:32:25 +0300 Well, for me Linux still is a secondary OS. I'm now going to start doing office jobs in StarOffice, but as long as I can't get modem to work, I can't do Internet stuff. Also, I have been writing apps for VisualBasic, and continue to do that in Win. But, I spend an even increasing amount of time in Linux. I'm proud with my OS knowledge: I have perfect knowledge of Windows 3.0, 3.1 and especially 3.11, as well as Windows 95 and 98. I know NT series (especially W2K Server), even though I really hate W2K. I know the very basics of BeOS - at least I can install it, install apps under it, and do some little job. I'm familiar with the Solaris OS, and am now gaining knowledge of Linux. When I get to interm. user level, I'll use my programming knowledge to recompile the source to suit my needs. Solver -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Wow
I guess it really depends on what you do with your system. I like to push mine right to its limits, running stuff like Windows in VMware (which is reasonably usable) and having several different web browsers open on a GNOME desktop. I've noticed that KDE and especially IceWM are faster than GNOME, but I find that GNOME suits my needs better (nothing can compare to Sawfish and the GNOME Panel :-) On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26, Adams, Jamie wrote: I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no complaints here.. -- Jamie Adams Housing Assistant 41 Castle Road SCARBOROUGH North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:15 June 2001 07:33 To: Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on Linux at http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Wow
On Friday 15 June 2001 00:59, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:58:59 -0400 From: Jay needs a Guinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 14 June 2001 09:33 pm, you wrote: Lucky dog! If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB of RAM). Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged saps who aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new state-of-the-art computer :-) Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do is SCREAM Have fun! :-) P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. Heeheehee, and now MACs may run LM ;-) Civileme
RE: [newbie] Wow
I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no complaints here.. -- Jamie Adams Housing Assistant 41 Castle Road SCARBOROUGH North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 June 2001 07:33 To:Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on Linux at http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400.
Re: [newbie] Wow
I think that you have hit on the crux of the problem for Linux...it still requires a fairly high degree of technical proficiency to install and run it. As long as this is the case, MS and MAC will have an advantage in the I think your comments make sense. More often than not, though, actually installing Windows isn't something the average computer buyer (or user in the workplace) is prepared to do either. Most of the time, the OS comes preinstalled, and the user doesn't have to do anything but turn the box on and click on Solitaire :). There is no doubt that Linux is a more complicated system than is Windows or Mac. Or at least, it *can* be a much more complicated system. One reason is simple -- Linux has a lot more stuff that comes with it than does a Windows system. There are a lot more packages, with several more choices in areas where Windows only has one way of doing things. The average Windows user doesn't usually encounter issues like what window manager to run, which filesystem to use, even whether to partition his disks -- because all those choices (or lack of them) have been decided in advance. The average Windows user -- especially in a work environment -- isn't going to be responsible for anywhere near the administrative responsibilities that an average linux user is going to need to figure out sometime during the life of his OS, at least on his system. That's why there are help desks, and system administrators. I'm not a help desk person, nor a system administrator, (if I sent my resume in for a sysadmin position it would probably get laughed at) and I would simply not be allowed to do the types of things I routinely do at home in a work environment. Hell, I've been in some work environments where you just don't install software. consumer market. Granted, this platform has come a very long way with the improvements in KDE and Gnome just in the last year, but it is still full of Surely. But I think the glitches (for the most part) would (if they don't already exist) not impede Windows installations in the slightest. People might grumble a bit, but they'd assume that it was The Right Way and continue on. For example, I have had a number of problems getting printing to work correctly since I installed LM8. It turns out that I had to go in and change some settings in a cup.conf file to get it even half way reliable. I Sure there have been problems (for me, cups worked just fine out of the box) but these problems might arise in Windows. The difference is that you'd have a few choices for printer drivers (or maybe only one) and you'd fight with the printer driver and the printers dialog box and maybe call over to the help desk for assistance, if you have one available to you. You might not have to edit a configure file directly (a lot of that happens behind the scenes in Windows, and is starting to with the newer Linux distributions.) also have had problems upgrading as the RPM manager does not seem to have a list of update sites except in the security tab. This can be confusing (and That does seem to be the wrong place to put it. Wendell Gragg David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. ---
Fwd: Re: [newbie] Wow
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:58:59 -0400 From: Jay needs a Guinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 14 June 2001 09:33 pm, you wrote: Lucky dog! If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB of RAM). Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged saps who aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new state-of-the-art computer :-) Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do is SCREAM Have fun! :-) P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. -- Jay ~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~ http://www.mrsnooky.com
Re: [newbie] Wow
Damn..I feel for ya. I had a 1.2g tbird/512pc133 about 7 months ago. I am now awaiting the palimino so I can go dual palimino's with UW2 scsi! (of course the 1.2 will turn into my 11th linux server that is just laying around doing basicaly nothing!) h3rb On Thursday 14 June 2001 21:33, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Lucky dog! If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB of RAM). Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged saps who aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new state-of-the-art computer :-) Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do is SCREAM Have fun! :-) P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13, Paul wrote: Hi all, Just got the new pc in. 1.2Ghz Athlon and 256 megs. I started part of the Linux MDK 8 install, just to see if the ATA100 Maxtors (2 x 30Gb) would be detected. Well... they are. And man, is that machine FLYING!! Happy me, next weekend there's something to PLAY!! :-) Paul
Re: [newbie] Wow
Lucky dog! If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB of RAM). Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged saps who aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new state-of-the-art computer :-) Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do is SCREAM Have fun! :-) P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13, Paul wrote: Hi all, Just got the new pc in. 1.2Ghz Athlon and 256 megs. I started part of the Linux MDK 8 install, just to see if the ATA100 Maxtors (2 x 30Gb) would be detected. Well... they are. And man, is that machine FLYING!! Happy me, next weekend there's something to PLAY!! :-) Paul -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. It's okay to be paranoid when they ARE all after you.
Re: [newbie] WOW! What a response!
On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:18:46 +0100, civileme said: My faith in the free software community is refreshed. Welcome all of you crash-testers. Let's hope you are treated better than those who ride in autos for impact studies. At least one doesn't have to pass your crash-test psych-test to be regected as a crash-test 'dummy' - grin -- Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected" (The UNIX Programmers' Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972)
Re: [newbie] WOW, Mozilla M18
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, you wrote: The earliest version I tested was M17 and M18 is definitely better than M17 so I would assume it's also better than M11 Oops, I meant M17 not M11 Hmm..in my experience it seems (mostly) as fast as NS 4.73 but definitely not as fast as Opera. maybe its just my machine or the way I have opera setup(linux newbie) but it is really really slow for me. I worshiped Opera on Windows when I still ran windows. -- ICQ# 27396393 Registered Linux User 181996
Re: [newbie] WOW, Mozilla M18
The nightly builds tend to be even better than the milestones and far better than the Netscape previews. The build I'm using is as great. It's progressing so fast now that it's really interesting to watch. Like seeing a building go up. *^*^*^* Have the courage to take your own thoughts seriously, for they will shape you. -- Albert Einstein On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Anthony wrote: Is it just me or has there been major improvment from M11 to M18. The earliest version I tested was M17 and M18 is definitely better than M17 so I would assume it's also better than M11 Yes, the builds have been steady getting better. I've downloaded everyone since M13 on, and each new release just builds upon itself. why oh why did they change the GUI to look more like netscape I actually liked the M17 GUI. After using M18 for less than an hour I made some dumb statements here about it being too "Netscape-like". Is it possible that you've got it set up with the "classic" theme, which is very NS-like? If so, simply switch to "modern" and I think you'll be happier. Thanks so much for pointing that out! I hate the Netscape Classic look, I've always thought Netscape was a very ugly browser. But I love the Modern and Blue look, and before I knew you could change that, I stuck with Netscape6PR3 because I couldn't stand looking at that Classic Netscape. Anyone think I'm nuts about M18 running good? Seems real good to me. I've been surprised by the stability which IS much better than Opera. I also really like Mozilla. It's so much better than that crap known as Netscape 4.x. It won't be too much longer before it's finally out of beta and it has it's real "official" release. -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
Re: [newbie] Wow...
:~I'm leaving for 9 days I probably will have 2,000 messages when I come :~back. :-) well, you will not (unles you like reading 2000 mesages) if you set your reception to "nomail". Send sympa a message: set newbie nomail When you come back, send it "set newbie mail" to start receiving mail again. Third possibility is "set reception digest" for... digest. cheers Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
Re: [newbie] Wow...
Ron Greer wrote: Geez, I leave for the weekend, and I get 200 messages :) I'm leaving for 9 days I probably will have 2,000 messages when I come back. :-) MarkP
RE: [newbie] WOW,imagine that...eh?
Great, spam sent to this list through an open relay (oem.net) listed in the ORBS database Handy tool: http://spamcop.net Patrick -Original Message- From: Kit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 4:26 PM To: Mandrake Linux Subject: [newbie] WOW,imagine that...eh? amazing...eh? NOW I'm helping others -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 7110071 http://members.xoom.com/kitgoins
Re: [newbie] WOW,imagine that...eh?
Kit, Tried to go to your link just now and it didn't work. Don't know why, but you might want to check it. B. B. Kit wrote: amazing...eh? NOW I'm helping others -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 7110071 http://members.xoom.com/kitgoins
Re: [newbie] WOW,imagine that...eh?
Yeah, just checked myself...it was working fine last night... give me about 15 minutes...I'll startup my server...I have a copy of it...go here: http://kompukit.myip.org when there, click Kit's home page On 21 Dec 99, at 23:40, Toyswins wrote: Kit, Tried to go to your link just now and it didn't work. Don't know why, but you might want to check it. B. B. Kit wrote: amazing...eh? NOW I'm helping others -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 7110071 http://members.xoom.com/kitgoins ==Kit== ICQ#: 7110071 E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HomePage: http://members.xoom.com/kitgoins Personal Server: http://kompukit.myip.org ==Kit==
Re: [newbie] WOW!!!
Linux can handle many of your needs, but because it is really just breaking into other mainstream areas outside of the server market, some areas need a lot of development. Industrial applications such as you're doing, PLC's, process controls, and SCADA systems are some of the areas where very little development has been done when compared to server and desktop applications. Some of this is beginning to change. The guys at http://www.ucLinux.com have developed a small module for industrial control which runs a linux kernal. Some pictures of it are mirrored on our machine at http://www.ind-info.com/ucLinux . After the first of the year we're going to begin work on a communications driver to Allen Bradley SLC 500 devices. (Hopefully PLC5 will follow shortly thereafter.) OUr ultimate hope is for the PLC to control, and a Linux box to record and display. I know there are others, too. Michael
Re: [newbie] WOW!!!
You'd be better off setting up a Linux server to start and switching over to Star Office- This will get everyone on a office suite that is a cross-platform program. This saves you the cost of purchasing NT, Backoffice and a bunch of other $expensive add-ons to get everything you'd get with the Deluxe Mandrake Box from MacMillan or the Mandrake power pack. This will give you interoffice e-mail allow access to the internet through the server acting as a firewall. I'd check into putting MySQL or Oracle 8i on the system for inventory tracking control. My brother does CNC machining and uses Mastercam, so I have an idea of what is required there. I doubt if you'll find a robust CNC package for Linux yet, but I may be wrong. Do you need to set up your tool paths on your PC? Do you need to check your tool paths before downloading? How many axes is the machine, 3-1/2 or 4? Do you use parametrics or solid model design? Do you need photo quality renderings of the designs? These are the things you'll need to look for. As far as the issue of viewing drawings goes, most CAD programs will save a file in postscript format and Linux has several postscript viewers that can be used. Linux can handle many of your needs, but because it is really just breaking into other mainstream areas outside of the server market, some areas need a lot of development. Industrial applications such as you're doing, PLC's, process controls, and SCADA systems are some of the areas where very little development has been done when compared to server and desktop applications. (This is sad because Linux is much more reliable than NT and from what I've been told, it's easier to isolate and fix a broken process in Linux too.) Linux can do a lot, but a great disservice can be done to the perception of Linux as a stable and powerful OS if it's pushed into use doing things it's not quite ready for yet. Although as an OS it can readily handle all these tasks, application development is not there yet. So to sum it up for your use- Office software, yes. Accounting, maybe. Server. definitely. Firewall and interoffice communications, go for it. Web Server, you bet. CAD, CAM, CNC, be VERY careful and don't push it. Sam Walker Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, jeff wrote: 1st of all I would like to thank everyone for all the help they have given me. I'm now a total Linux convert. I have been following Linux for about a year, was a bit timid on installing and trying it out, but now I'm very glad I did. Well after all the e-mail I have received about what I'm trying to do, I thought I would go ahead and spell it all out. That way everyone who has offered help will understand. This all started out as a simple project here at work. The Boss wanted to see financial reports on his P.C. So the simplest way I could think of was to setup a file server and link it to his P.C. and the front office P.C.. Well as I have gotten into this and he has been reading the books and print outs, he wants to setup all the P.C. (Total at this time 5) to the network. I find it exciting. So here is what we have. 1. Front office P.C. for accounting. Quick books Win 98 2. Boss P.C. for inventory. Dos, Win 98 3. My P.C. Cad, Cam, Internet, and some light programming. Dos, Win 98 4. Other front office P.C. At one time we had two secretary's Win 98 5. CNC Room P.C. Upload and download CNC programs. WFW 3.11 I have several questions on how to proceed. Would it be better to convert all the systems to Linux? If you can find accounting software that the boss likes (check www.freshmeat.net), and linux software to control the CNC (i'm not sure where to start looking here, but i have seen some somewhere), yes probably. If it would is there software for Linux like Quick books? Auto cad? freshmeat will have these, and hopefully some cnc software My Boss want to set it up to where he can check the accounting from any station, look up drawings from and station, plus keep inventory from any station, and print to any of the printers from any station. Can I do this or has he read the information wrong? Ok unless your inventory is kept in a platform independant format, and you find software for all three platforms, I can see problems. I know this is allot to ask but I thought it would be best to get it all up front and see what everyone has to say. If you want to know what type of business we are go to http://www.sstooling.com Yeah the CNC machine kinda gave it away, unfortunatly i don't quite know enough about these to. Does this PC actualy drive the cnc or just feed it the programs via a serial or parallel port. This might help all of you understand what we are looking to do and why we don't know allot about networking. Thanks Jeff -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] Wow - another one
Fabio - buona sera -- I tried to again, compile the kernel to my liking - there is no /usr/src/linux directory; rather a /usr/src/i386-linux-3.2 (if I recall)/include. Either way, I type 'make' or 'make menuconfig' or even 'make clean' and I get a 'no rule specified -- no makefile' I tried Caldera and was able to recompile - but I want to stick with Mandrake. How do I upgrade my XFree86 to the latest 3.3.3? For 3Dfx support? Thanks, Paul - Original Message - From: Fabio Coatti To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow - another one On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 08:13:33PM -0500, Paul A. Bernicchi wrote: 2.) Is there a simple way to recompile my kernel with the 486/Pentium instruction sets? I understand that distribution Linux is made to work on the lowest common denominator -- the i386. I have tried make menuconfig but it says something about not being able to find makefile. Any EASY way to do this (without cryptic HOWTOs) would be appreciated.be sure to be in /usr/src/linux directory and be sure to have installed all kernel source packages. If you are tring this within a graphical console,use make xconfig instead of make menuconfig.-- Fabio Coatti http://felix.unife.it/~covaFerrara Linux Users Group http://flug.unife.itGnuPG fp:6AB9 277E 9AA7 9D20 E82C 9EE7 2D17 E351 3DCB 0CDCOld SysOps never die... they simply forget their password.
