Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
BJ Tracy wrote: Hello All, Quick question, I know someone has asked this before and I thought I saved it but do not seem to find it. I still have one (1) desktop running XP in my office, how do I turn off automatic updates on that pc? Start - Control Panel - Administrative tools - Services - Automatic Updates. The dumbest question is a question which isn't posted (always). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
Hello All, Quick question, I know someone has asked this before and I thought I saved it but do not seem to find it. I still have one (1) desktop running XP in my office, how do I turn off automatic updates on that pc? I hope do get around to making it a dual boot system but have not had time and it belongs to my supreme commander (wife). Thanks in advance, bj ps is there documentation for emacs in mdk10,if so where? Snip On Saturday 14 August 2004 05:11 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Saturday 14 August 2004 01:20 am, Charlie Mahan wrote: Personal experience as of 42 minutes 38 seconds ago. Virgin install of XP on a virgin drive, new system. The new owner picked it up from me this afternoon, took it home and decided to get the installation out of the way before dinner so that he wouldn't have to use his wife and kids system. SNIP If you HAVE to run XP, 2000 etc., there is absolutly no reason to torture yourself by doing it the hard way. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
BJ Tracy wrote: Hello All, Quick question, I know someone has asked this before and I thought I saved it but do not seem to find it. I still have one (1) desktop running XP in my office, how do I turn off automatic updates on that pc? I hope do get around to making it a dual boot system but have not had time and it belongs to my supreme commander (wife). Thanks in advance, bj ps is there documentation for emacs in mdk10,if so where? Snip On Saturday 14 August 2004 05:11 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Saturday 14 August 2004 01:20 am, Charlie Mahan wrote: Personal experience as of 42 minutes 38 seconds ago. Virgin install of XP on a virgin drive, new system. The new owner picked it up from me this afternoon, took it home and decided to get the installation out of the way before dinner so that he wouldn't have to use his wife and kids system. SNIP If you HAVE to run XP, 2000 etc., there is absolutly no reason to torture yourself by doing it the hard way. In the control panel, click on System and then select the automatic updates tab, you can turn it on and off there. (at least thats what it is like here, but I put SP2 on this machine, which changes things abit.) I had to try SP2, because I'm bound to be asked about it by clients. and I always have to know more then they do. :-) rgds Franki htmlfixit.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Thursday 26 August 2004 03:36 pm, frankieh wrote: BJ Tracy wrote: I still have one (1) desktop running XP in my office, how do I turn off automatic updates on that pc? ps is there documentation for emacs in mdk10,if so where? Snip In the control panel, click on System and then select the automatic updates tab, you can turn it on and off there. (at least thats what it is like here, but I put SP2 on this machine, which changes things abit.) I had to try SP2, because I'm bound to be asked about it by clients. and I always have to know more then they do. :-) rgds Franki htmlfixit.com Thanks, did it. bj Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
BJ Tracy wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2004 03:36 pm, frankieh wrote: BJ Tracy wrote: I still have one (1) desktop running XP in my office, how do I turn off automatic updates on that pc? ps is there documentation for emacs in mdk10,if so where? Snip In the control panel, click on System and then select the automatic updates tab, you can turn it on and off there. (at least thats what it is like here, but I put SP2 on this machine, which changes things abit.) I had to try SP2, because I'm bound to be asked about it by clients. and I always have to know more then they do. :-) rgds Franki htmlfixit.com Thanks, did it. bj BJ; That procedure only turns of one part of Automatic Updates. On your desktop, right-click My Computer, and click on Manage. Once the new panel opens, expand Services and Applications, and then click on Services. Once inside this new panel, find Automatic Updates, right-click it and click on Properties. In the new panel, change Automatic or Manual to Disabled and click the Stop button as well. Close that and return to the main services section, find a service called Messenger and do the same with it, just like Automatic Updates - ie; stop and disabled. That will also prevent a lot (But not all) of Pop-Ups from appearing on your screen whenever you're browsing. Once this has been stopped and disabled, exit from all these panels back to your desktop, and enjoy! BTW, You might also want to turn off Error Reporting which can be accessed from the properties panel of My Computer. After all, why send a bunch of your personal info to Microsoft so that they can learn a lot more about you and your system? You might see Error Reporting in the services panel I mentioned above as well. Consider turning that off and disabling it as well. Microsoft leaves these background services running in case other users ever use your WindowsXP system, in which case, the updates are performed regardless of the fact that you turned them off on your desktop. If you only use the option for turning it off which is inside My Computer, it is only turned off for you but not for other users on that system, in which case, everyone still receives the so-called Benefits of those updates! Just though you should know. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Thursday 26 August 2004 13:45, BJ Tracy wrote: Hello All, Quick question, I know someone has asked this before and I thought I saved it but do not seem to find it. I still have one (1) desktop running XP in my office, how do I turn off automatic updates on that pc? An M80 duct taped to the processor will do it. I hope do get around to making it a dual boot system but have not had time and it belongs to my supreme commander (wife). Thanks in advance, bj ps is there documentation for emacs in mdk10,if so where? Snip On Saturday 14 August 2004 05:11 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Saturday 14 August 2004 01:20 am, Charlie Mahan wrote: Personal experience as of 42 minutes 38 seconds ago. Virgin install of XP on a virgin drive, new system. The new owner picked it up from me this afternoon, took it home and decided to get the installation out of the way before dinner so that he wouldn't have to use his wife and kids system. SNIP If you HAVE to run XP, 2000 etc., there is absolutly no reason to torture yourself by doing it the hard way. -- Regards: Hoyt Registered Linux User # 363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Thursday 26 August 2004 02:45 pm, BJ Tracy wrote: Hello All, Quick question, I know someone has asked this before and I thought I saved it but do not seem to find it. I still have one (1) desktop running XP in my office, how do I turn off automatic updates on that pc? I hope do get around to making it a dual boot system but have not had time and it belongs to my supreme commander (wife). Thanks in advance, bj Control Panel, System, Properties, Updates IIRC. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 04:45, BJ Tracy wrote: Hello All, Quick question, I know someone has asked this before and I thought I saved it but do not seem to find it. I still have one (1) desktop running XP in my office, how do I turn off automatic updates on that pc? Right click My Computer - Properties - Automatic Updates - Here is where you can turn it off; as well, if you go into the System Services you can turn it off there as well... -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. You, the first person to encounter my chronicles for at least four thousand years, beware. Do not feel honored by your primacy in reading the revelations of my Ixian storehouse. You will find much pain in it. Other than the few glimpses required to assure me that the Golden Path continued. I never wanted to peer beyond those four millennia. Therefore, I am not sure what the events in my journals may signify to your times. I only know that my journals have suffered oblivion and that the events which I recount have undoubtedly been submitted to historical distortion for eons. I assure you that the ability to view our futures can become a bore. Even to be thought of as a god, as I certainly was, can become ultimately boring. It has occurred to me more than once that holy boredom is good and sufficient reason for the invention of free will. -Inscription on the storehouse at bar-es-Balat Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Thursday 26 August 2004 04:51 pm, Lanman wrote: BJ Tracy wrote: On Thursday 26 August 2004 03:36 pm, frankieh wrote: BJ Tracy wrote: I still have one (1) desktop running XP in my office, how do I turn off automatic updates on that pc? ps is there documentation for emacs in mdk10,if so where? Snip In the control panel, click on System and then select the automatic updates tab, you can turn it on and off there. (at least thats what it is like here, but I put SP2 on this machine, which changes things abit.) I had to try SP2, because I'm bound to be asked about it by clients. and I always have to know more then they do. :-) rgds Franki htmlfixit.com Thanks, did it. bj BJ; That procedure only turns of one part of Automatic Updates. On your desktop, right-click My Computer, and click on Manage. Once the new panel opens, expand Services and Applications, and then click on Services. Once inside this new panel, find Automatic Updates, right-click it and click on Properties. In the new panel, change Automatic or Manual to Disabled and click the Stop button as well. Close that and return to the main services section, find a service called Messenger and do the same with it, just like Automatic Updates - ie; stop and disabled. That will also prevent a lot (But not all) of Pop-Ups from appearing on your screen whenever you're browsing. Once this has been stopped and disabled, exit from all these panels back to your desktop, and enjoy! BTW, You might also want to turn off Error Reporting which can be accessed from the properties panel of My Computer. After all, why send a bunch of your personal info to Microsoft so that they can learn a lot more about you and your system? You might see Error Reporting in the services panel I mentioned above as well. Consider turning that off and disabling it as well. Microsoft leaves these background services running in case other users ever use your WindowsXP system, in which case, the updates are performed regardless of the fact that you turned them off on your desktop. If you only use the option for turning it off which is inside My Computer, it is only turned off for you but not for other users on that system, in which case, everyone still receives the so-called Benefits of those updates! Just though you should know. Lanman Snip Thanks, did that too. bj Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sunday 15 August 2004 04:39 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote: snip I know, I know; it pays the bills. But it still makes me feel like a streetwalker in a seedy area of a crappy city. g Charlie Charlie: You're OK so long as you don't cut your rates after midnight. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
Op Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:44:35 -0400 schreef Carroll Grigsby: Any one want to get up a pool on how long it will take until the script kiddies exploit that hole? According to an article on /. a while back, if you connect a virgin XP install to the web using a wideband connection, the break in attempts can start within a minute or two. Scary. Very scary. A colleague of mine broke that record. 45 seconds after being online on ADSL, his PC got hit several times. Sasser made his PC reboot (while he was downloading software to prevent Sasser to reboot his PC...) Paul -- The only fun about your own mistakes is that sometimes you make others happy with them. http://www.nlpagan.net/linux.htm Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
Op Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:13:52 +1000 schreef Stephen Kühn: More on the complete stupidity of SP2 for XP: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117380,00.asp And it is not safe to assume that it will work either: www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=23905071 Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 14:50, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: You mean like sendmail? ;) Cheap potshot; can't help it mate. Just cuz I'm familiar with it and I feel it does what I WANT it to do quite quickly...NYAH! -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 04:08, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 14:50, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: You mean like sendmail? ;) Cheap potshot; can't help it mate. Just cuz I'm familiar with it and I feel it does what I WANT it to do quite quickly...NYAH! I did put a winkie in after all. g My subliminal point was however that you could potentially place sendmail in a class with M$ in the regard that it will always need fixing and therefore you guarantee residuals. LX -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:44:35 -0400 Carroll Grigsby disseminated the following: According to an article on /. a while back, if you connect a virgin XP install to the web using a wideband connection, the break in attempts can start within a minute or two. Scary. Very scary. ...seen it happen with me own eyes, matey. Windows Messenger pops up, and if you click 'Ok'...well, you're fscked. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 08:46:48 up 10 days, 8:29, 8 users, load average: 0.31, 0.10, 0.02 +++ If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. -- Noam Chomsky Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
According to an article on /. a while back, if you connect a virgin XP install to the web using a wideband connection, the break in attempts can start within a minute or two. Scary. Very scary. I recently did a fresh install of xp (slipstreamed with SP1) on a machine for a client (like some of the other posters, I love M$ because I make a lot of money fixing spyware / virii / etc. infected machines). I am on dial up at home, and I _forgot_ to turn on the xp firewall before connecting. I was literally infected with sasser 10 seconds after connection. I suppose it was my own fault, but it does go to show the level of vulnerability in a windows xp box. You really can't even patch them without getting infected first, unless you are carefully firewalled. Jeff Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Friday 13 August 2004 10:13 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 11:49, JoeHill wrote: Is Microsoft's Firewall Secure? SNIP Hello All, Question for the group. With Linux, do you need a firewall on every PC?? In my office I have a LAN set up and with that I have a (hard wired) Router going out to my DSL. I thought in this way I was protected. Also do I need to install Virus Protection on my new Linux PC's ( I have been using Linux going on 6 weeks now and trying to learn as much as possible). If so, do I install DR. WEB that came with my MDK 10? Please Advise. My thoughts: I thought that since I switched to Linux and had a Router(hard wired) as a firewall, I was protected from most of this. bj ...and yeah, Stephen, it's this kind of crap what pays them bills, eh? As usual, Microsoft puts out a product that is already broken. And I'm sure a slew of patches are in the making as we speak. I'm still surprised that a vast majority of the public even bothers with Microsoft products and it´s high maintenance scheme - then again, I shouldn't whinge about it because I do need the money. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Perhaps I am flogging a straw herring in mid-stream, but in the light of what is known about the ubiquity of security vulnerabilities, it seems vastly too dangerous for university folks to run with their heads in the sand. -- Peter G. Neumann, RISKS moderator, about the Internet virus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
JoeHill wrote: Is Microsoft's Firewall Secure? More on the complete stupidity of SP2 for XP: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117380,00.asp ...and yeah, Stephen, it's this kind of crap what pays them bills, eh? Interesting article, but then again, every article about M$ seems interesting in one way or another! I especially appreciated the humour regarding how this new firewall doesn't stop or manage outbound traffic. We maintain a resource server here, so that all M$ downloads are stored locally, allowing us to install updates, service packs and complimentary applications without needing to access the Internet to get them. One of the few pieces of Microsoft software that actually works fairly well is their pre-installation kit. No surprise there! But the most ironic thing is that Ad-Aware always finds 2 pieces of spyware pre-installed on every system, and this is prior to installing any service packs, or updates. Once those are done (again the updates are accessed locally and not from the Internet), more spyware is found, typically up to 7 pieces, including registry hacks. Creating a firewall which blocks or alerts the user to outgoing traffic would effectively block spyware which Microsoft has obviously placed inside their operating systems themselves for their own purposes. Also, if Microsoft built a firewall that actually did block outgoing traffic, how would they receive user data? Their own product would be blocking the data transmissions that they seem to desperately need. It's a quick education to anyone who installs Windows, as to the type and nature of traffic generated by a completely fresh install, if they pre-install Zone Alarm before connecting the machine to the Internet! It actually borders on infuriating when you consider the number of transmission attempts that Windows will try to make as soon as Zone Alarm is installed, and the number of times you have to click to allow or deny the transmission of that data. Of course, Microsoft set their marketing hounds on ways to justify this type of firewall bahaviour, by blaming the remainder of the problem on ISV's and the fact that it's their responsibility and not Microsoft's. Once again, Redmond has found another way to piss off a large number of people and customers all at the same time without breaking a sweat! Fortunately, these are exactly the types of tactics that any dying creature starts to use, just before it realizes that it's been fatally wounded. Take heart fellow Linux enthusiasts! The end is near! Another 10 or 20 years of this crap and they'll be out of the game completely! The next death scream you will hear should come right around the time that Microsoft releases the next evolution of Windows (codenamed Longhorn and rumored to be a 3-CD version!). By the time they get around to releasing it, Linux will have increased it's market-share and consumers will be even more reluctant to dish out the exorbitant license fees which Microsoft is sure to exact from the public. Besides, none of this should come as a surprise to anyone on this list. After all, why are we here? Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Saturday 14 August 2004 11:00 am, BJ Tracy wrote: SNIP Hello All, Question for the group. With Linux, do you need a firewall on every PC?? In my office I have a LAN set up and with that I have a (hard wired) Router going out to my DSL. I thought in this way I was protected. Also do I need to install Virus Protection on my new Linux PC's ( I have been using Linux going on 6 weeks now and trying to learn as much as possible). If so, do I install DR. WEB that came with my MDK 10? Please Advise. There are very few virus threats for Linux, and IIRC, almost none in the wild. Obviously, if you install software provided from dubious sources, there is the possibility that you will install something that will be malicious. With Linux, it is much more important to eliminate unused services, limit network connectivity to those things that you need, practice good security by using non-trivial/obvious passwords, limiting user access and open accounts than to install anti-virus software. My thoughts: I thought that since I switched to Linux and had a Router(hard wired) as a firewall, I was protected from most of this. This totally depends on the type of router that you are using. If the router includes stateful packet inspection (SPI), then it is much more like a real router than if it simply performs Network Address Translation (NAT). Most inexpensive DSL routers are like the latter and only do NAT for the computers behind them. Those like the former are better because they help to thwart spoofed packets and may include some rudimentary DOS and attack protection. However, you should always consider security to be much like castle defense. You don't want to set up a single barrier and rely solely on that barrier to protect you. The reason is that once that barrier is breached, you are completely open. So, you want to layer your defenses so that even if one avenue is breached, the attacker still has to get through additional layers. Some suggestions: 1. Hardware router is good, it prevents easy entry into the LAN to a trusted state. 2. Software router next. Installing a good software router like shorewall is good too, it will deny most incoming connections that you don't expressly open up while still allowing outgoing connections as long as they are initiated from inside. Even if the attacker somehow manages to bypass the hardware router, they will still get packets dropped from inside. You can also allow only specific outgoing connections to prevent filesharing apps and other sundries from running, although I am much more lenient about those things with Linux than I would be with Windows. 3. Use hosts.deny and hosts.allow to only allow those services that you want to have access. You can allow liberal activity from 192.168.*.* or 10.*.*.* addresses since those are non-routable on the Internet and must originate on your internal LAN. 4. Send network services through an SSH tunnel where it makes sense. Services like VNC or X should always be pushed through a secure connection, never opened up on the Internet. 5. Limit all services that allow information to be gleaned. I allow POPS and IMAPS on my server but insist the users email accounts do not match up to their usernames. That way, even if you have the email address of someone on my system, you can't use that as an account name to try to dictionary attack the password. I also limit ssh access to only those accounts that need it, not all the accounts on the system. 6. Install an Intrusion detection system, like portsentry, hostsentry, Snort, etc. You can get advance warnings if your machine is being probed. This can be especially useful if you are exposed to the Internet in a DMZ but is actually also useful if the hardware firewall is compromised in some way and someone manages to open it up completely. 7. Install some type of logchecker that sends regular (daily) updates to you based on specific criteria. For instance, you might grep all login attempts on an FTP server if you run one so that you can tell when someone is trying to bypass security using invalid accounts or by trying dictionary attacks against a password. You might grep web server logs to see if someone is trying to access or search for formmail scripts or trying to use the mod_proxy to proxy out to an external connection. Or perhaps too many login failures on a secured directory. Just think of it as a layer castle defense. Build walls, also moats, interior choke points, cut off tunnel access, etc. Each time you can add a layer, you make yourself more secure. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:56:05 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: Creating a firewall which blocks or alerts the user to outgoing traffic would effectively block spyware which Microsoft has obviously placed inside their operating systems themselves for their own purposes. Also, if Microsoft built a firewall that actually did block outgoing traffic, how would they receive user data? Their own product would be blocking the data transmissions that they seem to desperately need. Never thought of that, I think you just hit the nail right on the head! DRM, all that crap, relies on MS software 'phoning home' to verify what they ironically call 'rights' to use or access DRM encoded material, no? -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 14:04:38 up 10 days, 13:47, 9 users, load average: 1.21, 0.66, 0.34 +++ Rule #2 (John Gilmore): The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:06:31 -0400 JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:56:05 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: Creating a firewall which blocks or alerts the user to outgoing traffic would effectively block spyware which Microsoft has obviously placed inside their operating systems themselves for their own purposes. Also, if Microsoft built a firewall that actually did block outgoing traffic, how would they receive user data? Their own product would be blocking the data transmissions that they seem to desperately need. Uh... spyware in their OS's? It's worse than that. I had ZoneAlarm running on a laptop that sometimes connected to the Internet via dialup -- ZA was a pretty decent inexpesive solution that let me disable all inbound and enable outbound POP/HTTP for minimal connectivity. Imagine my surprise when I hooked up an external mouse (Intellimouse) and installed the drivers for it. It wasn't 10 seconds before I was getting ZA popups asking me if the mouse drivers could access the Internet. For pete's sake... why the @$#%$ does a mouse driver need network access. The same is true for the Microsoft keyboard, Visio and a few other MS products. Brenda Bell Henniker (the only one on earth) New Hampshire (the state with 5 seasons: black fly, tourist, foliage, ski and mud) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:16:13 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] disseminated the following: It wasn't 10 seconds before I was getting ZA popups asking me if the mouse drivers could access the Internet. For pete's sake... ROFL! Maybe they need to know if you have the 'rights' to use that mouse ;-) More likely they were just wanting to check for more up-to-date drivers, but still, it is getting kinda crazy. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 14:30:31 up 10 days, 14:13, 9 users, load average: 1.42, 1.27, 1.07 +++ The struggle between people and capital is now an epic struggle between life and death. -- Vandana Shiva, World Social Forum, January 16, 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:56:05 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: Creating a firewall which blocks or alerts the user to outgoing traffic would effectively block spyware which Microsoft has obviously placed inside their operating systems themselves for their own purposes. Also, if Microsoft built a firewall that actually did block outgoing traffic, how would they receive user data? Their own product would be blocking the data transmissions that they seem to desperately need. Never thought of that, I think you just hit the nail right on the head! DRM, all that crap, relies on MS software 'phoning home' to verify what they ironically call 'rights' to use or access DRM encoded material, no? Yup Afraid so Joe! How could they justify the use of DRM by media publishing companies if they can't receive data about abuses of DRM. Nasty, ain't it? It's not just the data about those who pay for their downloaded media, it's more about those who don't pay for it! I think people should be required to install Zone Alarm or something similar on all fresh installs and Zone Alarm should be configured to block any and all outgoing transmissions to Microsoft or it's business partners without detailed information about what and why that data is being sent. Then it's up to consumers as to what info they will be sending. But M$ has wrapped so much of their apps and OS into this that most of their functions would fail to work if blocked, and consumers would also become aware of how far M$ has taken this attitude and MS doesn't want consumers to know that! They'd be back in front of the D.o.J. so fast it would make their heads spin! Of course, not much would happen again, but the legal fees would hurt and so would the bad press. Barbara has an interesting point about her Intellimouse as well. What possible types of info could they possibly need from the mouse? Do they want to know if she's left-handed or something? Jeesh! Enough! Maybe they should rename Windows and call it something more appropriate like SpyHoles ? Whaddya think? Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 13 August 2004 22:44:10, Carroll Grigsby wrote: whack Joe: Any one want to get up a pool on how long it will take until the script kiddies exploit that hole? According to an article on /. a while back, if you connect a virgin XP install to the web using a wideband connection, the break in attempts can start within a minute or two. Scary. Very scary. -- cmg Personal experience as of 42 minutes 38 seconds ago. Virgin install of XP on a virgin drive, new system. The new owner picked it up from me this afternoon, took it home and decided to get the installation out of the way before dinner so that he wouldn't have to use his wife and kids system. I just home got from an unscheduled trip there to reinstall Windows and install the utilities I _told the dork_ to download on the family system, burn to disk, and install *before allowing XP onto the net. 2 worms, 1 trojan in 1 minute 45 seconds. By his count. By the time I got there he had wiped the drive, burned the utilities (I always recommend AVG too Joe) but his confidence was so shaken he wouldn't touch the system until I was there to lead him through. The only good that came out of the service call (other than the assault I performed on his wallet) is that the new 120 GB drive is now set for dual boot Mandrake 10.0 and his wife was in familiar territory happily chatting with friends using kopete when I left. So much for his Windows only box. g Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Beta 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.8-0.rc2.2mdk 22:55:41 up 4:02, 2 users, load average: 0.36, 0.36, 0.77 Microsoft should switch to the vacuum cleaner business where people actually want products that suck. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBHaEZZqvqlrLPr5YRAuydAKC1NL74BBaZmjzmvWVjj3ylT4oopwCeMqxV M45p6WYsLHj1efAodtD8Qio= =7Cnd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Saturday 14 August 2004 01:20 am, Charlie Mahan wrote: Personal experience as of 42 minutes 38 seconds ago. Virgin install of XP on a virgin drive, new system. The new owner picked it up from me this afternoon, took it home and decided to get the installation out of the way before dinner so that he wouldn't have to use his wife and kids system. I know that this is probably not the right mailing list, but for those of you still dealing with XP, 2000, et al who need to do an installation but don't want to make the box vulnerable by attaching to the net to get updates, take a look at this site: http://www.autopatcher.com/ You can download the entire set of MS updates, burn to a CD and install everything prior to connecting to the net the first time. Added benefit, in most cases, you don't have to reboot the box interminable numbers of times to get the updates installed, simply run, check off the updates you want and click install, sit back for about 40-60 minutes while it runs and then reboot once. If you HAVE to run XP, 2000 etc., there is absolutly no reason to torture yourself by doing it the hard way. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On August 13, 2004 09:44 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 13 August 2004 11:36 pm, JoeHill wrote: snip This is my fav part: Microsoft admits that, in some cases, malicious code could indeed switch the firewall off. However, this isn't so much a flaw as a limitation on the role firewalls should play in a company's security system, according to Microsoft. What??!! Joe: Any one want to get up a pool on how long it will take until the script kiddies exploit that hole? According to an article on /. a while back, if you connect a virgin XP install to the web using a wideband connection, the break in attempts can start within a minute or two. Scary. Very scary. -- cmg Well, a friend of mine set up her office with Win2K and it took all of 3 minutes before the first trojan slipped in. The first virus came less than a minute later from a trusted source. Her computer guy didn't quite know what to do and she ended up calling me. After a fair bit of messing around I got it cleaned up installed a well known windows firewall and told her to have her network guy install that, then update the virus defs immediately and then hope. Oh, and don't under any circumstances use any form of Outlook or IE. Naturally none of that was done. :-) Her computer geek later added two XP Pro boxes which were infected in seconds of being added to the network. As we all know...nothing is more secure than Windoze. ttfn John -- *** Composed on a 100% Microsoft Free Computer Guaranteed Virus Free Mandrake Linux 10.0 OE Registered Linux User 362316 *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
- Original Message - From: Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, August 14, 2004 3:11 pm Subject: Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked On Saturday 14 August 2004 01:20 am, Charlie Mahan wrote: Personal experience as of 42 minutes 38 seconds ago. Virgin install of XP on a virgin drive, new system. The new owner picked it up from me this afternoon, took it home and decided to get the installation out of the way before dinner so that he wouldn't have to use his wife and kids system. I know that this is probably not the right mailing list, but for those of you still dealing with XP, 2000, et al who need to do an installation but don't want to make the box vulnerable by attaching to the net to get updates, take a look at this site: http://www.autopatcher.com/ You can download the entire set of MS updates, burn to a CD and install everything prior to connecting to the net the first time. Added benefit, in most cases, you don't have to reboot the box interminable numbers of times to get the updates installed, simply run, check off the updates you want and click install, sit back for about 40-60 minutes while it runs and then reboot once. If you HAVE to run XP, 2000 etc., there is absolutly no reason to torture yourself by doing it the hard way. -- Bryan Phinney That's exactly what I spent three days preaching at hin to do Bryan. I had already downloaded SP2 to CD-RW for him before I found out about the gotchas included in that. That, Zone Alarm, AVG and TweakUI were all he needed to be safe enough to work with for the time it takes to go through any further required updates, but like 99% of the Windows users I've encountered in the past 12 years he doesn't have the patience. Hell i even threw in a copy of The Cleaner. Maybe that's why i called him a dork and charged him _way_ too much for being there? g Please excuse this weird looking message, if it is. I'm stuck on the web interface because the last update to cooker did strange things to the system. Or maybe it's all PEBCAK? lol Charlie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 15:20, Charlie Mahan wrote: Personal experience as of 42 minutes 38 seconds ago. Virgin install of XP on a virgin drive, new system. The new owner picked it up from me this afternoon, took it home and decided to get the installation out of the way before dinner so that he wouldn't have to use his wife and kids system. I just home got from an unscheduled trip there to reinstall Windows and install the utilities I _told the dork_ to download on the family system, burn to disk, and install *before allowing XP onto the net. 2 worms, 1 trojan in 1 minute 45 seconds. By his count. By the time I got there he had wiped the drive, burned the utilities (I always recommend AVG too Joe) but his confidence was so shaken he wouldn't touch the system until I was there to lead him through. The only good that came out of the service call (other than the assault I performed on his wallet) is that the new 120 GB drive is now set for dual boot Mandrake 10.0 and his wife was in familiar territory happily chatting with friends using kopete when I left. So much for his Windows only box. g Charlie As is my standard for doing an XP setup, the actual setup files reside on this MDK box, the i386 dir is copied to the target machine (or Ghost image - whichever is suited); boot with a bootable Win98 style CD, disconnect from network, start XP installation. Upon completion of base installation, turn off necessary services, apply latest patches + SP1 from another CD, reboot. Install RegistryMechanic, Spybot Search Destroy, then Firefox, Thunderbird, reset system defaults, then AVG, HijackThis and About::Blank. ZoneAlarm after that. Reboot. Connect machine to network again, update AVG and allow ZA to let it through. Then start installing other apps like WinAmp, WinMX, GAIM for Windows, and a few extensions for Firefox. Defrag, reboot, scan system and registry. Sounds like an awful lot of work, but I have the procedure fairly down pat and at least it keeps the machine secure from the get-go...and it is a dent in the client pocket, but they generally stay quite stable for a fair amount of time. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Little prigs and three-quarter madmen may have the conceit that the laws of nature are constantly broken for their sakes. -- Friedrich Nietzsche Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sun, 2004-08-15 at 01:56, Lanman wrote: lil'snip Besides, none of this should come as a surprise to anyone on this list. After all, why are we here? Lanman It really isn't a surprise and shouldn't be. Bear in mind that Microsoft has also been associated with some high end spamming organisations as well; and in having done a support contract with Microsoft (don't laugh - it paid the bills) I trust Microsoft's administration about as far as I can spit a ten pound rock. My deep cynicism rose during the NT 3.51 years with the amount of service packs seeming to be the same as the OS/2 Warp service packs - and hasn't but gotten worse through time. After having viewed Longborn, the interface and the likes, I still find it lacking horribly, and eating up way too much system resource on eye candy, and appearing (from what I've seen) to give one less chance for installing third party applications (like Mozilla, T-Bird, OO and more); aside from huge hardware requirements. I think we all have clients/customers/friends that are a bit sick and tired of having to upgrade machinery because of software; the corporate world ain't going to like it too much when it comes time for the upgrade; linux is looking better on a day to day basis - that is, unless Microsoft starts to use patents to kill off the competition as it looks like they're poising to do... -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. People who are rather more than six feet tall and nearly as broad across the shoulders often have uneventful journeys. People jump out at them from behind rocks then say things like, Oh. Sorry. I thought you were someone else. -- Carrot travels to Ankh-Morpork (Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:49:26 -0400 JoeHill disseminated the following: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117380,00.asp Just a thought, everybody make PDF's of this and the article from CRN that Paul posted (thanks Paul!). 'Twould be nice to send around to all their friends and associates who run XP, no? Very easy to do, click on the 'printable version' link, then print to a postscript file, then: ps2pdf13 /path/to/filename.ps /path/to/filename.pdf Sorry, but I just love to spread the shite on MS, can't help m'self ;-) -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 20:00:46 up 10 days, 19:43, 10 users, load average: 1.90, 1.53, 1.41 +++ When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -- Hunter S. Thompson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Saturday 14 August 2004 04:40 pm, CHARLIE M wrote: Please excuse this weird looking message, if it is. I'm stuck on the web interface because the last update to cooker did strange things to the system. Or maybe it's all PEBCAK? lol Charlie Just had this conversation OT. So I'll paste it in Wait till Monday or Tues. Cooker mirrors sometimes are fubar'd, specially on weekends. Currently proxad is only showing me a problem for kdelib* updates. BUT, what packages you encounter will of course vary from mine, as it's doubtful we have all the same ones installed. If the problem persists too long you mave have to find a different mirror. A guide is here http://cookermirrors.skycon.net/and is currently showing problems on several mirrors. For my kdelib* deal I used a browser this mornin to bring up the mirror, and sure enough, even tho the mirror is up to date, and the hdlist is in sync, a few files are missing. In cases like this, Mandrake's central internal server probly hasn't sent them to public mirrors yet. That often happens late on Friday. FWIW tho, since we're talking about cooker if you encouter an update with a lot of packages, specially libs and sys files, it's a good idea to runalias upall='rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -n ldconfig -v'to make sure your system is in sync with the updates. Then logout and back into your WM. I always do a Ctrl+Alt+Bsp while log'd out to restart the X server, which also auto-log's me back into my desktop (KDE). . Charlie, come over to the darkside. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Saturday 14 August 2004 07:09 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:49:26 -0400 JoeHill disseminated the following: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117380,00.asp Just a thought, everybody make PDF's of this and the article from CRN that Paul posted (thanks Paul!). 'Twould be nice to send around to all their friends and associates who run XP, no? Very easy to do, click on the 'printable version' link, then print to a postscript file, then: ps2pdf13 /path/to/filename.ps /path/to/filename.pdf Sorry, but I just love to spread the shite on MS, can't help m'self ;-) The people I know who run M$ would only consider me more of a nut than they do now. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 11:49, JoeHill wrote: Is Microsoft's Firewall Secure? More on the complete stupidity of SP2 for XP: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117380,00.asp ...and yeah, Stephen, it's this kind of crap what pays them bills, eh? As usual, Microsoft puts out a product that is already broken. And I'm sure a slew of patches are in the making as we speak. I'm still surprised that a vast majority of the public even bothers with Microsoft products and it´s high maintenance scheme - then again, I shouldn't whinge about it because I do need the money. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Perhaps I am flogging a straw herring in mid-stream, but in the light of what is known about the ubiquity of security vulnerabilities, it seems vastly too dangerous for university folks to run with their heads in the sand. -- Peter G. Neumann, RISKS moderator, about the Internet virus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:13:52 +1000 Stephen Kühn disseminated the following: More on the complete stupidity of SP2 for XP: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117380,00.asp ...and yeah, Stephen, it's this kind of crap what pays them bills, eh? As usual, Microsoft puts out a product that is already broken. And I'm sure a slew of patches are in the making as we speak. I'm still surprised that a vast majority of the public even bothers with Microsoft products and it´s high maintenance scheme - then again, I shouldn't whinge about it because I do need the money. This is my fav part: Microsoft admits that, in some cases, malicious code could indeed switch the firewall off. However, this isn't so much a flaw as a limitation on the role firewalls should play in a company's security system, according to Microsoft. What??!! If malicious code makes it past the firewall, it is the role of anti-virus software to protect the machine, Overton adds. Likewise, it is not the firewall's place to stop malicious code from sending outbound packets--... So what the fsck is it good for??!! LOL! Nice way to pass the buck *and* pay lip service to security at the same time! BTW, just had a client that had Norton 2004, fully updated, found no viruses. AVG? Found *nine* of them. So, keep it up MS and Norton! I made 700 bucks this week! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 23:25:03 up 9 days, 23:07, 8 users, load average: 1.60, 1.63, 1.56 +++ If I said yes, that would then suggest that that might be the only place where it might be done which would not be accurate ... necessarily accurate ... it might also not be inaccurate, but I mean ... I'm disinclined to mislead anyone. -- Donald Rumsfeld Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 23:36, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:13:52 +1000 Stephen Kühn disseminated the following: More on the complete stupidity of SP2 for XP: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117380,00.asp ...and yeah, Stephen, it's this kind of crap what pays them bills, eh? As usual, Microsoft puts out a product that is already broken. And I'm sure a slew of patches are in the making as we speak. I'm still surprised that a vast majority of the public even bothers with Microsoft products and it´s high maintenance scheme - then again, I shouldn't whinge about it because I do need the money. This is my fav part: Microsoft admits that, in some cases, malicious code could indeed switch the firewall off. However, this isn't so much a flaw as a limitation on the role firewalls should play in a company's security system, according to Microsoft. What??!! If malicious code makes it past the firewall, it is the role of anti-virus software to protect the machine, Overton adds. Likewise, it is not the firewall's place to stop malicious code from sending outbound packets--... So what the fsck is it good for??!! LOL! Nice way to pass the buck *and* pay lip service to security at the same time! BTW, just had a client that had Norton 2004, fully updated, found no viruses. AVG? Found *nine* of them. So, keep it up MS and Norton! I made 700 bucks this week! I had a very similar experience very recently. Some virii bypassed Symantec's NAV scans entirely and were stopped by an open sourced scanner I was using. Quite frankly the latrine level drivel that M$ continues to vomit forth is repelling. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 14:00, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 23:36, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:13:52 +1000 Stephen Kühn disseminated the following: More on the complete stupidity of SP2 for XP: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117380,00.asp ...and yeah, Stephen, it's this kind of crap what pays them bills, eh? As usual, Microsoft puts out a product that is already broken. And I'm sure a slew of patches are in the making as we speak. I'm still surprised that a vast majority of the public even bothers with Microsoft products and it´s high maintenance scheme - then again, I shouldn't whinge about it because I do need the money. This is my fav part: Microsoft admits that, in some cases, malicious code could indeed switch the firewall off. However, this isn't so much a flaw as a limitation on the role firewalls should play in a company's security system, according to Microsoft. What??!! If malicious code makes it past the firewall, it is the role of anti-virus software to protect the machine, Overton adds. Likewise, it is not the firewall's place to stop malicious code from sending outbound packets--... So what the fsck is it good for??!! LOL! Nice way to pass the buck *and* pay lip service to security at the same time! BTW, just had a client that had Norton 2004, fully updated, found no viruses. AVG? Found *nine* of them. So, keep it up MS and Norton! I made 700 bucks this week! I had a very similar experience very recently. Some virii bypassed Symantec's NAV scans entirely and were stopped by an open sourced scanner I was using. Quite frankly the latrine level drivel that M$ continues to vomit forth is repelling. LX BUT, mind you, it DOES make some of us money, and since M$ refuses to create a product that actually works properly, those of us in the support biz can be rest assured that we have income. And as long as it ain't installed on MY computer, I don't care. If I can't run it in a VMware isolated environment, then I don't want it. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Happy feast of the pig! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:45 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir disseminated the following: So, keep it up MS and Norton! I made 700 bucks this week! I had a very similar experience very recently. Some virii bypassed Symantec's NAV scans entirely and were stopped by an open sourced scanner I was using. Quite frankly the latrine level drivel that M$ continues to vomit forth is repelling. Of course, the MS bumboy Tim Mullen on SecurityFocus, has his usual fellatial praise for those incompetent boobs in Redmond: Now, even with these tremendous advancements in XP, [Huh??!!] some people are going out of there way to find fault with it, as they seem to do with all things Microsoft. In fact, some of this is just downright hypocritical. [Howzat?] Security researchers and analysts continually blast Microsoft for security issues, and have done so forever (I've even done it.) [I don't think I've ever seen that...] But now that the company has responded in a significant way, [with what, a firewall that doesn't work?!] it gets bad press for releasing a Service Pack that might break ISV applications. The truth here is that if an application breaks, it really did need fixing anyway. Ooooh, I see, it's the *application developers* fault for not bowing to MS and making their apps 'compatible' with this shite called a Service Pack. No, what we as a 'security community' need to do is abandon MS altogether. Oh, wait, what's that at the bottom of the page? SecurityFocus columnist Timothy M. Mullen is CIO and Chief Software Architect for AnchorIS.Com, a developer of secure, enterprise-based accounting software. AnchorIS.Com also provides security consulting services for a variety of companies, including Microsoft Corporation. Wow, what a coincidence. Link: http://securityfocus.com/columnists/259 -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 00:14:14 up 9 days, 23:56, 8 users, load average: 1.34, 1.69, 1.61 +++ Wars such as those which have occurred in Iraq only allow hatred, violence and terror to proliferate. -- Spain's prime minister-elect, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Friday 13 August 2004 11:28 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:45 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir disseminated the following: So, keep it up MS and Norton! I made 700 bucks this week! I had a very similar experience very recently. Some virii bypassed Symantec's NAV scans entirely and were stopped by an open sourced scanner I was using. Quite frankly the latrine level drivel that M$ continues to vomit forth is repelling. Of course, the MS bumboy Tim Mullen on SecurityFocus, has his usual fellatial praise for those incompetent boobs in Redmond: Now, even with these tremendous advancements in XP, [Huh??!!] some people are going out of there way to find fault with it, as they seem to do with all things Microsoft. In fact, some of this is just downright hypocritical. [Howzat?] Security researchers and analysts continually blast Microsoft for security issues, and have done so forever (I've even done it.) [I don't think I've ever seen that...] But now that the company has responded in a significant way, [with what, a firewall that doesn't work?!] it gets bad press for releasing a Service Pack that might break ISV applications. The truth here is that if an application breaks, it really did need fixing anyway. Ooooh, I see, it's the *application developers* fault for not bowing to MS and making their apps 'compatible' with this shite called a Service Pack. No, what we as a 'security community' need to do is abandon MS altogether. Oh, wait, what's that at the bottom of the page? SecurityFocus columnist Timothy M. Mullen is CIO and Chief Software Architect for AnchorIS.Com, a developer of secure, enterprise-based accounting software. AnchorIS.Com also provides security consulting services for a variety of companies, including Microsoft Corporation. Wow, what a coincidence. Link: http://securityfocus.com/columnists/259 I work in the U.S. Government as an engineer, and we had system wide message that instructed us not to install the sp2 as it would break several of the programs we run. Mostly non-MS progs. And everyone there thinks I am a bit strange cause I keep muttering linux is the answer under my breath. :-) -- Dennis M. Linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Friday 13 August 2004 11:36 pm, JoeHill wrote: snip This is my fav part: Microsoft admits that, in some cases, malicious code could indeed switch the firewall off. However, this isn't so much a flaw as a limitation on the role firewalls should play in a company's security system, according to Microsoft. What??!! Joe: Any one want to get up a pool on how long it will take until the script kiddies exploit that hole? According to an article on /. a while back, if you connect a virgin XP install to the web using a wideband connection, the break in attempts can start within a minute or two. Scary. Very scary. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Dumbest question ever asked
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 00:23, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 14:00, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: So, keep it up MS and Norton! I made 700 bucks this week! I had a very similar experience very recently. Some virii bypassed Symantec's NAV scans entirely and were stopped by an open sourced scanner I was using. Quite frankly the latrine level drivel that M$ continues to vomit forth is repelling. LX BUT, mind you, it DOES make some of us money, and since M$ refuses to create a product that actually works properly, those of us in the support biz can be rest assured that we have income. You mean like sendmail? ;) Yes, you are right. I guess it's ok to punish the pocketbooks of the ignorant until they become educated. I'm not being facetious either. And as long as it ain't installed on MY computer, I don't care. If I can't run it in a VMware isolated environment, then I don't want it. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ Agreed. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
