Re: [newbie-it] MW, mutt, terminali e CARATTERI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 20:34, giovedì 30 ottobre 2003, Arwan ha scritto: E' inutile che tu faccia finta di nulla e ti guardi intorno, caro Fabio Manunza, perche' ho le prove, il giovedì 30 ottobre 2003, alle 19:14 hai scritto: Devi aggiungere varie opzioni : - -fn per la dimensione dei caratteri (prova 9x15, se ricordo bene), -fg per il colore, -bg per il colore di sfondo, etc., etc... Ottimo, lo faccio appena riesco a svicolarmi dalla barra dei menu' e dalle sue icone... cosi' non riesco a passare i parametri. Un consiglio: prova xfce E due. due consigli uguali in una stessa sera... ma perche' non me l'avete detto rpima di farmi dannare con WM??? E perchè? Devo proprio essere l'unico masochista che ci si è rotto il cu...il capo? ;-) - -- - - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## Fair is foul, and foul is fair - - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oZ5MVF8uFQvRMPQRAq0WAJ9t7PJEhHAL8hGmDuA6whhaho+fOACeIxdF ruR7ZmojGFyCmkZ/ry8+LsE= =Mp3x -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie-it] MW, mutt, terminali e CARATTERI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 20:32, giovedì 30 ottobre 2003, Arwan ha scritto: Ora sto usando xterm, forse provando con konsole (se riesco a capire come si lancia - OK, fatto ;-) )... pero' ritorno al problema di appesantire il sistema: xterm mi pare un po' piu' leggero del konsole... o no? Konsole è l'emulatore di kde; non penso che sia indipendente da quest'ultimo. Consiglio: se vuoi una bella barra laterale: rxvt - -- - - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## Fair is foul, and foul is fair - - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oZ8pVF8uFQvRMPQRAsFqAKCyOuTI3kP2EZ86LQVX0WfzpXOqhQCcCaPn WX4ctlyw8rMsKAjarfG184o= =shWE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie-it] Corrispondente Autoexec.bat
On Thursday 30 October 2003 19:32, freefred wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 30 October 2003 15:38, Santarella Benedetto wrote: Salve a tutti, avrei la necessita' di far eseguire dei comandi alla partenza della macchina, a prescindere dall' utente che si loga. volevo sapere se esiste un file tipo l'autoexec.bat del DOS che mi permetta di fare questo. /etc/rc.local /etc/rc.d/rc.local (nella slackware) ^^ è li anche nella MDK. -- Ciao , Tom . ~ . / v \ / / \ \ / ( ) \ ^^ ^^ Non ci sono per Nessuno. Ho detto Nessuno! Slack 9.1 ~ KDE Linux user Tattari_manna aka Plugs MajaGLUG member
R: R: [newbie-it] localhost
snip Il comando hostname cambia il nome della macchina solo snip per la sessione snip corrente. snip Linuxconf va a cambiare /etc/sysconfig/network (credo) grazie in effetti e' cosi' prima con la debian cambiavo /etc/hostname ed era fatta
Re: [newbie-it] Scanner Mustek 1200 UB Plus
Grazie davvero di nuovo! Figurati almeno per una volta sono stato utile anche io. Sto implementando un portale sull'informatica, e vorrei farci una grossa sezione dedicata a Linux, se a chiunque di questa ML va di collaborare, fatemelo sapere, che ne sarei davvero felice! Dimmi qual'è il tuo portale che cosi' ci faccio un giro e poi magari se posso e riesco ti do una mano volentieri. Ciao NIC -- ...siate sempre capaci di sentire nel+profondo qualsiasi ingiustizia commessa contro chiunque,in qualsiasi parte del mondo.è la qualità+bella di un rivoluzionario che
[newbie-it] Sanner LG Studioworks 600U
Salve a tutti, dopo aver messo una pietra sopra il mio scanner, ieri mi e' venuta la geniale idea di vistiare il sito della sane, e con molta meraviglia ho visto che il mio scanner e' entrato a far parte della FERRAMENTA supportata da linux. Il mio scanner era tra quelli sotto la voce backands (Cosa significa esattamente???), Naturalmente ho scaricato il file sane-backends-1.0.12 l'ho decompattato, compilato e installato, e voila' il mio scanner e' comparso nella lista di mcc! Penserete, come ho pensato io , e' fatta Invece no.. Prima di tutto, il mio scanner viene riconosciuto come - Primax Eletronics Memorex Maxx 613u e questo non mi meraviglia, molto probabilmente la LG ha acquistato questo scanner e poi l'ha rivenduto come suo. Cmq, non mi scoraggio, scelgo l'installazione manuale e naturalmente scelgo la voce LG Studiowrks 600U su porta /dev/usb/scanner0, che vine accettato senza fiatare, ma quando vado a vedere la lista degli scanner, compare solo la telecamerina su /dev/usb/video, ed in effetti xsane preleva immagini solo dalla telecamerina, e non c'e' verso di far muovere questo scanner! Potete aiutarmi? -- Se le bombe che lanciano gli americani sono tanto intelligenti però colpiscono i mercati... vuoi vedere che sono cretini quelli che le lanciano! \ | / (@ @) -o00-(_)-00o Benedetto Santarella -- Home Page == http://utenti.lycos.it/santarellawebmaster/index.html Email : ( Per scrivermi togli -NOSPAM- ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie-it] aiuto!!! Kit non funziona!!!!
Si, ok ma funziona allo stesso modo di quando lo apro nel modo grafico. Esso funziona, ma quando cerco di contattare un altro utente, mi dice che non disponibile, mentre in realt lo . Ho anche provato a rifare l'iscrizione con aol, ma non cambia nulla. In data Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:23:45 +0100, artasersec [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Alle 20:39, gioved 30 ottobre 2003, mediatv ha scritto: E' una parola! Come si fa a lanciarlo da consolle? Menu Terminali Konsole (Terminal program) o GNOME Terminal, lo stesso, digiti kit e primi invio e il programma parte. Ciao. Artasersec -- Quando odiamo qualcuno, odiamo nella sua immagine qualcosa che sta dentro di noi. http://www.linux.it
Re: [newbie-it] Sanner LG Studioworks 600U
Il ven, 2003-10-31 alle 12:57, Santarella Benedetto ha scritto: quando vado a vedere la lista degli scanner, compare solo la telecamerina su /dev/usb/video, ed in effetti xsane preleva immagini solo dalla telecamerina, e non c'e' verso di far muovere questo scanner! Hai provato a lanciare scanimage o xscanimage, magari da console? Cosa ti dicono? -- Corrado
[newbie] reason to upgrade to 9.2?
I ran 8. SPent months getting it going. I upgraded to 9.0 - absolute disaster. In despair did a clean install. Great. Everything worked. I upgraded to 9.1 - disaster. Network kaput. Dial up to ISP broken. SAMBA zilched. Two month later, seems OK. Except writing to SAMBA from a Win box is incredibly slow. Moved file sharing back to a WinXP PC. Current reading of problem suggests no cure that I can effect. So, why would I want to take a chance on 9.2 - but maybe I wouldn't coz I have an LG DVD/CD-RW? -- Pierre Final Filer Software http://www.finalfiler.com Worrigee, NSW, Australia 2540 -- Life's like a roll of toilet paper- The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Why is it..
... that BEFORE you get Linux, those who speak in favour of it say things like oh, get Linux coz it is far less demanding on hardware or you have much more control configuring hardware or you are in control Then when you do install Linux and the gee whizz GFX card won't work or the CD-ROM can't be mounted or the poor network performance is the fault of that low end NIC (all which work very well on another OS :-)), the experts all respond in unison - for Linux you need the very BEST hardware. Get rid of that crappy junk. Buy new. Buy the best :-) Feeling mischievous -- Pierre Final Filer Software http://www.finalfiler.com Worrigee, NSW, Australia 2540 -- Life's like a roll of toilet paper- The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why is it..
On Thursday 30 October 2003 11:02 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... that BEFORE you get Linux, those who speak in favour of it say things like oh, get Linux coz it is far less demanding on hardware or you have much more control configuring hardware or you are in control Then when you do install Linux and the gee whizz GFX card won't work or the CD-ROM can't be mounted or the poor network performance is the fault of that low end NIC (all which work very well on another OS :-)), the experts all respond in unison - for Linux you need the very BEST hardware. Get rid of that crappy junk. Buy new. Buy the best :-) Feeling mischievous BECAUSE LINUX ROCKS Rob -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why is it..
On Thursday 30 October 2003 11:02 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... that BEFORE you get Linux, those who speak in favour of it say things like oh, get Linux coz it is far less demanding on hardware or you have much more control configuring hardware or you are in control Then when you do install Linux and the gee whizz GFX card won't work or the CD-ROM can't be mounted or the poor network performance is the fault of that low end NIC (all which work very well on another OS :-)), the experts all respond in unison - for Linux you need the very BEST hardware. Get rid of that crappy junk. Buy new. Buy the best :-) Feeling mischievous i got junk but got no trouble (except what I cause myself ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] reason to upgrade to 9.2?
On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:56 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran 8. SPent months getting it going. I upgraded to 9.0 - absolute disaster. In despair did a clean install. Great. Everything worked. I upgraded to 9.1 - disaster. Network kaput. Dial up to ISP broken. SAMBA zilched. Two month later, seems OK. Except writing to SAMBA from a Win box is incredibly slow. Moved file sharing back to a WinXP PC. Current reading of problem suggests no cure that I can effect. So, why would I want to take a chance on 9.2 - but maybe I wouldn't coz I have an LG DVD/CD-RW? I don't know what to tell you. Of course if you just want to complain I am the newest of newbies and if I can do it ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Raw tree installation of mdk 9.2
Chuck Vose wrote: Mukul Sabharwal wrote: Hi thanks for the reply. Well I want to know (before starting) that I have Mandrake 9.2 RC2 installed, and I have WinXP running too. Basically if I do the floppy boot, and let it run, I won't be able to do anything I presume. Anyway, that seems ok. The problem is that will it screw up my previous installation or something of XP and RC2. I do want it to go in the RC2 partition that I've created. Thanks. P.S. - Does anybody know when the ISO's come out ? Mandrake is really good about not killing your other installations. I'm currently running Mandrake 9.2 and XP just like you are. But no matter what if Mandrake or any other distro (or practically anything for that matter) screws with your bootloader and makes it impossible to boot you can boot into the recovery console through the XP install cd and run FIXMBR and it will make XP bootable again. That is unless YOU nuke your xp partition or something (read: Partition Magic Pro, etc). As for the official cd's, they're already shipping so you should probably see them popping up on mirrors shortly. Nice place to check is http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=29 . It's a little clearer than the Mandrake download page :) Are these the finished thing ? MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD2.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD3.i586.iso John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Raw tree installation of mdk 9.2
What is RC2 in the Mandrake description ? Tom Dne p 31. jna 2003 11:46 John Richard Smith napsal(a): Chuck Vose wrote: Mukul Sabharwal wrote: Hi thanks for the reply. Well I want to know (before starting) that I have Mandrake 9.2 RC2 installed, and I have WinXP running too. Basically if I do the floppy boot, and let it run, I won't be able to do anything I presume. Anyway, that seems ok. The problem is that will it screw up my previous installation or something of XP and RC2. I do want it to go in the RC2 partition that I've created. Thanks. P.S. - Does anybody know when the ISO's come out ? Mandrake is really good about not killing your other installations. I'm currently running Mandrake 9.2 and XP just like you are. But no matter what if Mandrake or any other distro (or practically anything for that matter) screws with your bootloader and makes it impossible to boot you can boot into the recovery console through the XP install cd and run FIXMBR and it will make XP bootable again. That is unless YOU nuke your xp partition or something (read: Partition Magic Pro, etc). As for the official cd's, they're already shipping so you should probably see them popping up on mirrors shortly. Nice place to check is http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=29 . It's a little clearer than the Mandrake download page :) Are these the finished thing ? MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD2.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD3.i586.iso John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Raw tree installation of mdk 9.2
-Original Message- From: Tomas Rett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Raw tree installation of mdk 9.2 What is RC2 in the Mandrake description ? Tom Dne p 31. jna 2003 11:46 John Richard Smith napsal(a): Chuck Vose wrote: Mukul Sabharwal wrote: Hi thanks for the reply. Well I want to know (before starting) that I have Mandrake 9.2 RC2 installed, and I have WinXP running too. Basically if I do the floppy boot, and let it run, I won't be able to do anything I presume. Anyway, that seems ok. The problem is that will it screw up my previous installation or something of XP and RC2. I do want it to go in the RC2 partition that I've created. Thanks. P.S. - Does anybody know when the ISO's come out ? Mandrake is really good about not killing your other installations. I'm currently running Mandrake 9.2 and XP just like you are. But no matter what if Mandrake or any other distro (or practically anything for that matter) screws with your bootloader and makes it impossible to boot you can boot into the recovery console through the XP install cd and run FIXMBR and it will make XP bootable again. That is unless YOU nuke your xp partition or something (read: Partition Magic Pro, etc). As for the official cd's, they're already shipping so you should probably see them popping up on mirrors shortly. Nice place to check is http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=29 . It's a little clearer than the Mandrake download page :) Are these the finished thing ? MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD2.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD3.i586.iso John RC2 stands for Release candidate 2, this happens to be the one just before the Final MDK release. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Raw tree installation of mdk 9.2
On Friday 31 October 2003 12:29 am, Mukul Sabharwal wrote: Well I want to know (before starting) that I have Mandrake 9.2 RC2 installed, and I have WinXP running too. If you have rc2 installed already, you can update it to 9.2 final simply by changing your urpmi sources to a 9.2 ftp mirror and the update source (Hint: use plf.zarb.org/~nanardon to configure it) and then run 'urpmi --auto-select' to update all your packages to the final ones. urpmi will automatically select the latest packages from either the final tree or the update source. You then have to do 'urpmi kernel' to get the latest kernel. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] scsi emulation
I just installed a new burner in my brother's box, then learned how to use gcombust on mine so I could be a hero. Fell flat because I don't know how to set the scsi emulation. After the install, there is no scsi drive found. What did I miss? Lee -- User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why is it..
On Friday 31 October 2003 02:02 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... that BEFORE you get Linux, those who speak in favour of it say things like oh, get Linux coz it is far less demanding on hardware or you have much more control configuring hardware or you are in control Then when you do install Linux and the gee whizz GFX card won't work or the CD-ROM can't be mounted or the poor network performance is the fault of that low end NIC (all which work very well on another OS :-)), the experts all respond in unison - for Linux you need the very BEST hardware. Get rid of that crappy junk. Buy new. Buy the best Because the low end hardware is designed specifically for use in the other OS, mostly by emulating hardware functionality in software, thus reducing the cost of the hardware vendor. Also, linux is not less demanding on hardware, but more so. I mean, you can run it on hardware with lower performance specs than other OS's need, which is waht I think you mean, but the linux kernel gives the hardware more of a workout, so if it is not up to quality spec, it might not work even though it works in Windows. This is what you imply with your second statement. As for the latest and greatest, because the hardware vendors don't release the specs to the developers to develop kernel modules (drivers), so they have to figure it out and it takes a little while. You don't need the best, you just need standards compliant. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] scsi emulation
On Friday 31 October 2003 07:43 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: I just installed a new burner in my brother's box, then learned how to use gcombust on mine so I could be a hero. Fell flat because I don't know how to set the scsi emulation. After the install, there is no scsi drive found. What did I miss? You need to add the hd?=ide-scsi line to lilo.conf and reload lilo by issuing the lilo command. When you install a new CDwriter drive, Mandrake does not detect and automatically set it up to emulate SCSI, you need to add the line manually to do that. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Raw tree installation of mdk 9.2
Tomas Rett wrote: What is RC2 in the Mandrake description ? Tom Are these the finished thing ? MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD2.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD3.i586.iso John RC, means Release Candidate no. 2 but is it the final release, ie. what is bundled and sold in the boxes ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] convert all my mp3s to oggs
On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:06 pm, Todd Slater wrote: yes, but that program only does 1 file at a time .. I'm talking about batch converting everything. I'd be willing maybe to accept the losses :) OK, here you go. As an added bonus, it keeps ID3 tags. Requires mpg123 to convert to wav, mp3info to read id3 tags, and of course oggenc. Todd Hmm, did my earlier e-mail not get thru? mp32ogg does what you want. Just open a shell, go to the directory in question and type this: mp32ogg *.mp3 It will convert and rename the mp3 files to ogg... Of course, Todds' script probably does it better. :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges
--- Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:24 am, Ralph Slooten wrote: With the tarpit, you rig your mail server to accept the connection attempt but then receive the traffic e v e r s os l o w l y, What about the legal consequences of using a tar pit? Seems I remember reading something about that several months back... Or perhaps they were just questioning it becuause the TP acted as some kind of DoS attack (even tho they are connecting to you)? Maybe that's been straightened out - does any one know? __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostname in 9.2
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:28:47 + Poogle [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, instead of the login screen saying Welcome to localhost as normal and a terminal prompt showing [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ it shows as Welcome to public1-derb2-... and [EMAIL PROTECTED] which are coming from my ISP. All I want is for the normal localhost to be displayed at boot and in terminals. Well, I see in there you've got: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes NEEDHOSTNAME=no could it be that your ISP's DHCP server is setting your hostname?! I've never heard of that before, but they might be running some kind of WINS/Netbios proto that is changing your hostname. I don't know enough about that network-scripts setup to advise what to change, except maybe try putting yes for NEEDHOSTNAME, but I would seriously recommend putting something between your ISP and your wkstn, like a router firewall that would negotiate the connection for you. How are you connecting, is it a DSL/PPPoE connection? -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ The truth of a thing is the feel of it, not the think of it. -- Stanley Kubrick Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT - We should help this guy find another job
It's funny until you remember the poor guy lost his job over this. Blogger dismissed from Microsoft Copy shop worker loses position after posting Mac photo Oct. 30 -- Michael Hanscom admits it probably wasn't the best idea. He thought the photo on his personal blog of Apple computers being offloaded at a Microsoft loading dock might get a couple of smirks from friends. He never imagined it would cost him his job. http://www.msnbc.com/news/986750.asp?0si=-cp1=1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges
On Friday 31 October 2003 08:40 am, Tango Echo wrote: --- Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:24 am, Ralph Slooten wrote: With the tarpit, you rig your mail server to accept the connection attempt but then receive the traffic e v e r s os l o w l y, What about the legal consequences of using a tar pit? Seems I remember reading something about that several months back... Or perhaps they were just questioning it becuause the TP acted as some kind of DoS attack (even tho they are connecting to you)? Maybe that's been straightened out - does any one know? I can't possibly see what kind of legal consequences could follow. Someone is connecting to your server voluntarily and using your resources. You are simply metering how slowly they can use those resources. Since your server is your property, you are certainly free to meter or throttle those resources as you see fit. I also wouldn't describe it as a DoS attack, more like a DoS defense and where you are providing the server, it is certainly within your purview to deny that service. You actually think that a spammer is going to take you to court and argue to the judge, Your Honor, I was attempting to access a computer resource without proper authorization and it didn't respond as quickly as I would like. Could you please have the damages I am requesting delivered care of the Federal Correctional Facility that I am assigned to based on my admission to violating several Federal statutes for unauthorized computer access? Worse case scenario is that the spammer tries to attack your system in some sort of bizarre revenge scheme, but given that it would be extraordinarily difficult for him to actually figure out that the server in question is an active tarpit, I don't think that this is very likely, not to mention the fact that any active server on the Internet is already subject to such attacks, whether they are tarpitting or not. There have been several cases of active honeypots that were used to monitor hacker behavior published, there are also several public projects to create SMTP honeypots, teer-grubes (tarpits), and honeynets to combat spammers. I have heard of no legal actions commenced as a result of these. You are much more likely to be sued for actively blocking mail using a DNS Blocklist than you are for running a SMTP honeypot or tarpit. If I had a static IP, I would be running one myself. I don't, so I can't. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] reason to upgrade to 9.2?
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:56:40 +1100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I ran 8. SPent months getting it going. I upgraded to 9.0 - absolute disaster. In despair did a clean install. Great. Everything worked. I upgraded to 9.1 - disaster. Network kaput. Dial up to ISP broken. SAMBA zilched. Two month later, seems OK. Except writing to SAMBA from a Win box is incredibly slow. Moved file sharing back to a WinXP PC. Current reading of problem suggests no cure that I can effect. So, why would I want to take a chance on 9.2 - but maybe I wouldn't coz I have an LG DVD/CD-RW? You know, every once in awhile, someone subscribes to this list, seemingly for no other reason than to complain about the trouble they are having with Mandrake or Linux in general. This is a *help* list, not a bitch list (unless you want to bitch about Steve Ballmer, Darl McBride, or those clowns ;-)) First off, if you check the list archives and the Twiki (linked in my sig), you will find that the LG issue affects only shite LG CDROM's, not writers. In fact, the kernel which fried those crap pieces of hardware was intended to give you the functionality that your drive is capable of, which you could have found out by...reading the archives. The *vast majority* of Mandrake users, new and old, have absolutlely no problems whatsoever with a new install, beyond simple configuration issues, which is why this list is here. Does Linux have a problem with sound? Yes. And that is why Greg Meyer quite rightly pointed out that Linux is in an unfair position, because hardware manufacturers deviate from standards *and* at the same time do not allow Linux kernel developers access to their proprietary specs, while in the meantime they go bowing and scraping to MS to make sure their hardware will *not* get fried by Windows. If you are having difficulties, I understand your frustration, and certainly am willing to try to help, as is anyone here. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why is it..
On Friday 31 Oct 2003 12:49 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 31 October 2003 02:02 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: linux is not less demanding on hardware, but more so. I think it used to be true, when linux was mainly being used to run a few server apps. Nowadays we want it to do as wide a variety of tasks as windows, so it's not surprising that it needs as many and as high spec resources. ISTM that this is a function of linux 'growing up'. Perhaps it's not fair that we think of linux, the system, in both contexts with the same criteria IYSWIM Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT - We should help this guy find another job
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:43:45 -0500 Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: It's funny until you remember the poor guy lost his job over this. Blogger dismissed from Microsoft Copy shop worker loses position after posting Mac photo Oct. 30 -- Michael Hanscom admits it probably wasn't the best idea. He thought the photo on his personal blog of Apple computers being offloaded at a Microsoft loading dock might get a couple of smirks from friends. He never imagined it would cost him his job. http://www.msnbc.com/news/986750.asp?0si=-cp1=1 It's a good sign. It just means that MS is retreating more and more into a position of reactionary paranoia. Don't worry about Hanscom, he'll get his 15 minutes of fame and probably a job offer from Apple ;-) -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ The truth of a thing is the feel of it, not the think of it. -- Stanley Kubrick Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] reason to upgrade to 9.2?
On Friday 31 Oct 2003 2:00 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:56:40 +1100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I ran 8. SPent months getting it going. I upgraded to 9.0 - absolute disaster. In despair did a clean install. Great. Everything worked. I upgraded to 9.1 - disaster. Network kaput. Dial up to ISP broken. SAMBA zilched. Two month later, seems OK. Except writing to SAMBA from a Win box is incredibly slow. Moved file sharing back to a WinXP PC. Current reading of problem suggests no cure that I can effect. So, why would I want to take a chance on 9.2 - but maybe I wouldn't coz I have an LG DVD/CD-RW? You know, every once in awhile, someone subscribes to this list, seemingly for no other reason than to complain about the trouble they are having with Mandrake or Linux in general. Stop there, HM. He asked a civil question with the reasons why he was asking. In the first place, I would say that perhaps no-one told him that 'upgrading' is risky, and installing a parallel system much safer, so he has suffered more than he needed to. The gist of the question was 'why should I upgrade?'. My answer would be because you like a gamble. If this is not so, then don't. To the question 'why should I move to 9.2' , a very different question, I can't answer, because I haven't done it yet, so I don't know what benefits he would most value. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:53:00 -0500 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: You actually think that a spammer is going to take you to court and argue to the judge, Your Honor, I was attempting to access a computer resource without proper authorization and it didn't respond as quickly as I would like. Could you please have the damages I am requesting delivered care of the Federal Correctional Facility that I am assigned to based on my admission to violating several Federal statutes for unauthorized computer access? Like the guy who called the cops to report that someone had stolen his weed! LOL! -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Life sucks, but death doesn't put out at all. -- Thomas J. Kopp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges
--- Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 31 October 2003 08:40 am, Tango Echo wrote: What about the legal consequences of using a tar pit? I can't possibly see what kind of legal consequences could follow. Someone is connecting to your server voluntarily and using your resources. You are simply metering how slowly they can use those resources. Since your server is your property, you are certainly free to meter or throttle those resources as you see fit. I also wouldn't describe it as a DoS attack, more like a DoS defense and where you are providing the server, it is certainly within your purview to deny that service. You actually think that a spammer is going to take you to court and argue to the judge, Your Honor, I was attempting to access a computer resource without proper authorization and it didn't respond as quickly as I would like. Could you please have the damages I am requesting delivered care of the Federal Correctional Facility that I am assigned to based on my admission to violating several Federal statutes for unauthorized computer access? Yes, I do actually. Bryan, your problem is you are too rational =). In this upside down world we live in, and an even more more upside down US legal system (plz, no OT flames) anything is possible. I've heard of cases where a theif fell thru a skylight window, injuried himself, sued the intended victim and won. While I suspect that is probably an urban legend I totally believe it is possible... Worse case scenario is that the spammer tries to attack your system in some sort of bizarre revenge scheme, but given that it would be extraordinarily difficult for him to actually figure out that the server in question is an active tarpit, I don't think that this is very likely, not to mention the fact that any active server on the Internet is already subject to such attacks, whether they are tarpitting or not. There have been several cases of active honeypots that were used to monitor hacker behavior published, there are also several public projects to create SMTP honeypots, teer-grubes (tarpits), and honeynets to combat spammers. I have heard of no legal actions commenced as a result of these. You are much more likely to be sued for actively blocking mail using a DNS Blocklist than you are for running a SMTP honeypot or tarpit. Ah! Here is the reference: http://www.hackbusters.net While it's possible it may deal directly with his LaBrea tar pit program, it appears to hinge around the tar pit technology. Here's a quote from the site: Quote: This section of the Illinois Criminal Code was added on January 1, 2003 by Public Act 92-728 and defines an unlawful communication device as any communication device which is capable of... facilitating the disruption... of a communication service without the express consent or express authorization of the communication service provider... It furthermore makes it a criminal offense if a person knowingly possesses, uses, manufactures, assembles, distributes, leases, transfers, or sells an unlawful communication device... for the commission of a theft of a communication service or to receive, disrupt, transmit, decrypt, or acquire... any communication service without the express consent or express authorization of the communication service provider, or to conceal or to assist another to conceal from any communication service provider or from any lawful authority the existence or place of origin or destination of any communication. LaBrea both disrupts communication and conceals the true origin of communication in an attempt to protect a network from attack. If you are currently running LaBrea, I would suggest that you look into the legality of having an operating network tarpit in your state. ...Not to encouraging, eh ? =/ This program sounds nice too... Tango If I had a static IP, I would be running one myself. I don't, so I can't. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostname in 9.2
On Friday 31 Oct 2003 H:45 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:28:47 + Poogle [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, instead of the login screen saying Welcome to localhost as normal and a terminal prompt showing [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ it shows as Welcome to public1-derb2-... and [EMAIL PROTECTED] which are coming from my ISP. All I want is for the normal localhost to be displayed at boot and in terminals. Well, I see in there you've got: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes NEEDHOSTNAME=no could it be that your ISP's DHCP server is setting your hostname?! I've never heard of that before, but they might be running some kind of WINS/Netbios proto that is changing your hostname. I don't know enough about that network-scripts setup to advise what to change, except maybe try putting yes for NEEDHOSTNAME, but I would seriously recommend putting something between your ISP and your wkstn, like a router firewall that would negotiate the connection for you. How are you connecting, is it a DSL/PPPoE connection? NIC - Cable company's set top box, it works O.K in 9.1 so I must have setup something differently in 9.2, damned if I can see it though. -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] md5 checksums for downloaded 9.2 ISOs
Does anyone have these or know where to find them? TIA Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostname in 9.2
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:26:47 + Poogle [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: NIC - Cable company's set top box, it works O.K in 9.1 so I must have setup something differently in 9.2, damned if I can see it though. There seems to be a pattern I'm seeing here with 9.2... One person had some probs with their prompt similar to yours, but that was solved by editing the ~/.bashrc: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ Then there's the problem with output from df being abnormally verbose, not just outputting partition/usage, but hostname/partition/useage. I wonder if something was changed in 9.2 to do with either the global /etc/bashrc config or network settings... Anyone have any thoughts on this? -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Facts are the enemy of truth. -- Don Quixote Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:17:25 -0800 (PST) Tango Echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I would suggest that you look into the legality of having an operating network tarpit in your state. Tarpit? What tarpit? Oh, was my computer doing that? I had n idea! LOL! -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Death is nature's way of saying `Howdy'. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] scsi emulation
Lee Wiggers wrote: I don't know how to set the scsi emulation. After the install, there is no scsi drive found. Lee Add to append line in /etc/lilo.conf append= hdc=ide-scsi The /etc/fstab may need altering if you want to mount it . John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges
On Friday 31 October 2003 09:17 am, Tango Echo wrote: Yes, I do actually. Bryan, your problem is you are too rational =). In this upside down world we live in, and an even more more upside down US legal system (plz, no OT flames) anything is possible. I've heard of cases where a theif fell thru a skylight window, injuried himself, sued the intended victim and won. While I suspect that is probably an urban legend I totally believe it is possible... Anything is possible. However, we need to gauge our actions based on what is probable. I don't think that qualifies. Ah! Here is the reference: http://www.hackbusters.net While it's possible it may deal directly with his LaBrea tar pit program, it appears to hinge around the tar pit technology. Here's a quote from the site: Quote: This section of the Illinois Criminal Code was added on January 1, 2003 by Public Act 92-728 and defines an unlawful communication device as any communication device which is capable of... facilitating the disruption... of a communication service without the express consent or express authorization of the communication service provider... Well, I am not a resident of Illinois, therefore, this particular criminal code does not apply to me. Also, as written, it is not usable against a honeypot. If you are running the honeypot, you are the communication service provider, therefore, you have given yourself express authorization. If you are the spammer, you are not the service provider, but instead are the service taker, and you are the one that does NOT have express consent or authorization. The operator of a mail server is the provider. It furthermore makes it a criminal offense if a person knowingly possesses, uses, manufactures, assembles, distributes, leases, transfers, or sells an unlawful communication device... for the commission of a theft of a communication service or to receive, disrupt, transmit, decrypt, or acquire... any communication service without the express consent or express authorization of the communication service provider, or to conceal or to assist another to conceal from any communication service provider or from any lawful authority the existence or place of origin or destination of any communication. I think that you need to reread the for the commission of a theft of a communication service portion again. A spammer, by definition is committing a theft of service and meets all the definitions of this act. So, he is going to press criminal charges against you for committing an act identical to his own? A drug dealer pressing charges against another drug dealer for dealing drugs? Not only that but criminal charges must be prosecuted by the State, not by a private entity, so there is no way that a spammer can sue you for a violation of criminal law, only for a tort. LaBrea both disrupts communication and conceals the true origin of communication in an attempt to protect a network from attack. If you are currently running LaBrea, I would suggest that you look into the legality of having an operating network tarpit in your state. ...Not to encouraging, eh ? =/ This program sounds nice too... Someone's paranoid reading of the law in a way that suits their fantasy. Again, this is defined as unlawful communication device for the commission of a theft of service. A tarpit or honeypot does not commit a theft of service, is falsely proposes to provide a service. That is a very different thing. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Raw tree installation of mdk 9.2
On Friday 31 October 2003 06:18 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Tomas Rett wrote: What is RC2 in the Mandrake description ? Tom Are these the finished thing ? MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD1.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD2.i586.iso MandrakeLinux-9.2rc2-CD3.i586.iso John RC, means Release Candidate no. 2 but is it the final release, ie. what is bundled and sold in the boxes ? John It is very close to the final d/l, probably some minor changes. But, there was a fairly large update a few days after the final was made available through bittorrent to club members. I suspect that those updates will be in the boxed sets. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] md5 checksums for downloaded 9.2 ISOs
On Friday 31 October 2003 08:35 am, Brian Parish wrote: Does anyone have these or know where to find them? TIA Brian http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=1302 Look down towards the bottom of the page -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges [slightly OT]
On Friday 31 October 2003 09:17 am, Tango Echo wrote: Ah! Here is the reference: http://www.hackbusters.net While it's possible it may deal directly with his LaBrea tar pit program, it appears to hinge around the tar pit technology. Here's a quote from the site: Quote: This section of the Illinois Criminal Code was added on January 1, 2003 by Public Act 92-728 and defines an unlawful communication device as any communication device which is capable of... facilitating the disruption... of a communication service without the express consent or express authorization of the communication service provider... This response actually brings up something that has been bugging me of late about some elements of the tech community. I realize that there are a large number of clueless politicians and lawyers out there but tech people have a tendency to be just as clueless about laws and the judicial system as well. Rather than each trying to recognize the strengths of the other and work out realistic compromises, the tech community appears to be retreating with some type of egotistical attitude that politicians and lawyers are helpless to be anything other than completely clueless when it comes to tech matters and that any law is a bad law. The fact is that tortured readings of laws and paranoid ravings about the possible clueless applications of laws does not do the tech community any service. It makes us all appear to be unreasonable and unwilling to work with others to create laws that can actually be of service to us. This is more likely to make politicians and lawyers less likely to seek the tech community out for comment about proposals and will result in more clueless laws rather than less of them. I think that we need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. The reality is that there are just as many clueless tech organizations as their are lawyers. For instance, the EFF came out against anti-spam laws arguing that spam is free speech and that people have a right to contact others about whatever they want to, I suppose as frequently as they want to. Well, IMO, you have the right to say anything you want but you do NOT have the right to force me to listen. There have to be practical limitations to rights or else we live under a tyranny of the individual. We also have freedom of movement in the US, at least, and if you are following someone with the intent to harass or intimidate them, there are laws that can be used to force you to stop. There need to be similar limitations to the free speech rights of email. The law that was quoted appears to be an actually well written law that can be used by an ISP to target people who abuse their servers, munge addresses to get past authorization mechanisms, spoof IP addresses and the like. Until such a time that it either becomes reasonably clear that the law doesn't work or is being abused in ways that it is not intended to be, or can be clearly shown to being open to abuse, I think that we should attempt to give it the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, we risk alienating ourselves from other people to the point that we are totally ignored. Of course, that is just my opinion, I could be wrong. - Dennis Miller -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT about plugins for XMMS: Was: reason to upgrade to 9.2?
On Friday 31 October 2003 01:15 am, Heather/Femme wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:36:12 -0800 aronsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip rember the kim-1? finaly got some great V* plugins for xmms (cartoon porn dancing to truck driver music) um ya I remember teh kim-1...even if i am only 30. http://www.xmms.org/ look for gdancer http://figz.com/gdancer/ now check out the silly stuff too have fun aron wheer to get those plugins please? Stoned outta her mind subby :) smitty Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] I can't seem to find mgmt.o for my speedtouch USB modem
Hi everybody, could anybody help me please? I've downloaded the speedtouch package and unpacked the tar. But I can't seem to find the file called mgmt.o , is it downloadable somewhere? My second question is: As soon as I try to copy something to the root folder I get the message that I don't have the privileges to write in that folder. With the installation I didn't enter a password for the root but now I can't figure out how to be able to write into the root folders (which is nescessary to install the new ADSL speedtouch drivers)... do I have to log in as an admin? Please help this Newbie! TIA :-) Marco Hoefman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] left start menu kaboomed
Hi, I just finished installing Mandrake 9.2, and it runs superbly, both the bugs I mentioned were fixed, etc. But what happened was that suddenly after installing, it asked to update, I selected no. Then from rpmdrake (the gui thing) I asked it to update. It did, but I was running KDE, and it was updating some KDE packages. Now while I was playing with the menu, etc. I think it was updating, and suddenly the next time i clicked (after clicking ok to the installed updates finished) ... the menu has only one or two items in each submenu, all of the others have finished for some reason! Can anyone help me here? thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] left start menu kaboomed
I had this and I just left it for a while and they all came back. -Original Message- From: Mukul Sabharwal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] left start menu kaboomed Hi, I just finished installing Mandrake 9.2, and it runs superbly, both the bugs I mentioned were fixed, etc. But what happened was that suddenly after installing, it asked to update, I selected no. Then from rpmdrake (the gui thing) I asked it to update. It did, but I was running KDE, and it was updating some KDE packages. Now while I was playing with the menu, etc. I think it was updating, and suddenly the next time i clicked (after clicking ok to the installed updates finished) ... the menu has only one or two items in each submenu, all of the others have finished for some reason! Can anyone help me here? thanks. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] left start menu (another problem)
Hi, also despite the fact that out of the hundreds of item that show up, only few are there. Even fewer point to as valid links, most of them don't do anything. It happens in GNOME, and everything else Even with other users. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges [slightly OT]
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:57:04 -0500 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: The fact is that tortured readings of laws and paranoid ravings about the possible clueless applications of laws does not do the tech community any service. It makes us all appear to be unreasonable and unwilling to work with others to create laws that can actually be of service to us. This is more likely to make politicians and lawyers less likely to seek the tech community out for comment about proposals and will result in more clueless laws rather than less of them. I think that we need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. The reality is that there are just as many clueless tech organizations as their are lawyers. For instance, the EFF came out against anti-spam laws arguing that spam is free speech and that people have a right to contact others about whatever they want to, I suppose as frequently as they want to. Well, IMO, you have the right to say anything you want but you do NOT have the right to force me to listen. There have to be practical limitations to rights or else we live under a tyranny of the individual. We also have freedom of movement in the US, at least, and if you are following someone with the intent to harass or intimidate them, there are laws that can be used to force you to stop. There need to be similar limitations to the free speech rights of email. The problem is, when you get Government involved with legislating things like e-mail, the internet, IP, or whatever, there are inevitably special interests involved who have money to stuff into the pockets of those writing the legislation, and we all know who those interests are. While I find the EFF's stance on the spam law superficially baffling, on deeper reflection, I can see their point. Spam should be dealt with at a technical, community level, not a legislative one. No anti-spam law is going to stop spammers any more than laws against kiddie-porn stop pedophiles from disseminating *their* muck. What has been much more effective in *that* particular fight is the internet community getting involved at a technical level and shutting down sites and servers that offer this garbage. The last thing we want is for the internet to end up like radio and TV did, where some government bureaucracy like the FCC or CRTC decides who gets to go online and who gets to broadcast. More censorship is not the answer, more community involvement is. This is the crux of the philosophy of the OSS movement, the EFF, and all the RIchard Stallman's out there, as far as I see it anyway, and it's the one I'm more willing to side with. Relying on politicians and lawyers to protect us has never served us well in the past, I see no reason to expect anything different for the future. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ The savior becomes the victim. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] left start menu kaboomed
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:14:28 -0600 Mukul Sabharwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Now while I was playing with the menu, etc. I think it was updating, and suddenly the next time i clicked (after clicking ok to the installed updates finished) ... the menu has only one or two items in each submenu, all of the others have finished for some reason! check the archives, this has come up numerous times, and there is a simple command line fix, which escapes me for the moment, which will rebuild the KDE menu. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ He is truly wise who gains wisdom from another's mishap. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges [slightly OT]
Ah! Here is the reference: http://www.hackbusters.net While it's possible it may deal directly with his LaBrea tar pit program, it appears to hinge around the tar pit technology. Here's a quote from the site: Quote: This section of the Illinois Criminal Code was added on January 1, 2003 by Public Act 92-728 and defines an unlawful communication device as any communication device which is capable of... facilitating the disruption... of a communication service without the express consent or express authorization of the communication service provider... Well, I am not a resident of Illinois, therefore, this particular criminal code does not apply to me. Good, but you might want to check these states too: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/states/ Also, as written, it is not usable against a honeypot. I didn't see that - where is it? And how does this pertain to a tar pit? If you are running the honeypot, you are the communication service provider, therefore, you have given yourself express authorization. As I understand it, the laws are writen losely so that communication service provider is left open for interpretation. The ISP is also a communication service provider. Wouldn't you agree? I think that you need to reread the for the commission of a theft of a communication service portion again. A spammer, by definition is committing a theft of service and meets all the definitions of this act. So, he is going to press criminal charges against you for committing an act identical to his own? A drug dealer pressing charges against another drug dealer for dealing drugs? Not only that but criminal charges must be prosecuted by the State, not by a private entity, so there is no way that a spammer can sue you for a violation of criminal law, only for a tort. The underlying problem isn't theft of data but rather running an a unlawful communication device (program) tht distrupts communication and conseals origin of data. LaBrea both disrupts communication and conceals the true origin of communication in an attempt to protect a network from attack. If you are currently running LaBrea, I would suggest that you look into the legality of having an operating network tarpit in your state. ...Not to encouraging, eh ? =/ This program sounds nice too... Someone's paranoid reading of the law in a way that suits their fantasy. I agree with you that it may simply be paranoid interpretation... But then again, who's providing goods/serveices/etc and isn't at least slightly paranoid of lawyers? It's almost like you need to adapt the security mentality - don't assume the probable but rather the possible. Contrary to what it sounds, this isn't a rant on the US legal system. Instead, I'm just tying to get the facts straight here. I've considered implmenting such software in my organization. Fortunately, the orgainization has a lawyer that may be resourceful in this situation. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Thanks, Tango __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I can't seem to find mgmt.o for my speedtouch USB modem
On Friday 31 Oct 2003 4:06 pm, Marco Hoefman wrote: Hi everybody, could anybody help me please? I've downloaded the speedtouch package and unpacked the tar. But I can't seem to find the file called mgmt.o , is it downloadable somewhere? My second question is: As soon as I try to copy something to the root folder I get the message that I don't have the privileges to write in that folder. With the installation I didn't enter a password for the root but now I can't figure out how to be able to write into the root folders (which is nescessary to install the new ADSL speedtouch drivers)... do I have to log in as an admin? Please help this Newbie! TIA :-) Marco Hoefman First if you are a MandrakeClub member you can install an RPM containing mgmt.o from the download site, or if you have a Powerpack it is on your 'Commercial' CD. Second. To write to any 'system' folder you have to do it as root. If you are running KDE the simplest way is KMenuApplicationsFileToolsFileManager(SuperUserMode) You are now running a root version of konqueror in which you can just click on the tar package to open it, and drag/drop mgmt.o into the correct location derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] left start menu (another problem)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 31 October 2003 9:17 am, Mukul Sabharwal wrote: Hi, also despite the fact that out of the hundreds of item that show up, only few are there. Even fewer point to as valid links, most of them don't do anything. It happens in GNOME, and everything else Even with other users. You can either: run the command (as super user) update-menus -v or wait until 4:00 AM when cron runs or install anacron if your machine isn't always on. Just for grins and giggles you could also run the following compound command as super user: rpm rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -n -v ldconfig to do everything all sequentially that likely needs to be done after a large update. Have fun! Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 10:05:00 up 2 days, 22:08, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.10, 0.19 She sells cshs by the cshore. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/opeWG11CaRuZZSIRAmAQAJ9gXWolIL5xTSWBDpnz+rBSCiFjLACePovo 1bn2nUnmDGG9ExmoUnrSFz4= =V41d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Audio recording levels
OK so your've cached up a collection of .wav files and you find that upon review your've got the general recording levels a tad on the quiet side. Is there a programme that you can run to incrase the audio level a bit more ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why is it..
On Friday 31 Oct 2003 7:02 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... that BEFORE you get Linux, those who speak in favour of it say things like oh, get Linux coz it is far less demanding on hardware or you have much more control configuring hardware or you are in control Then when you do install Linux and the gee whizz GFX card won't work or the CD-ROM can't be mounted or the poor network performance is the fault of that low end NIC (all which work very well on another OS :-)), the experts all respond in unison - for Linux you need the very BEST hardware. Get rid of that crappy junk. Buy new. Buy the best :-) Feeling mischievous When you have problems on windows it takes you a day to solve them and you come out of it knowing no more than when you started, totally demoralised, knowing the computer got the better of you and feeling like you've done ten rounds against Mike Tyson. When you have problems on Linux it takes you two days to solve them, but you have fun, learn a lot, and come out of it feeling more in control than when you started. You *can* run Linux on crappy old hardware, but not crappy new hardware, because it uses windows to do the work. If the hardware is too old you might have to start from scratch or strip the distibution to bare bones and find old drivers on the net that the distributer didn't package. There is no free lunch; ten year old hardware will give you ten year old speed and power. You wont be running KDE on a 32MB 486, but it would make a decent firewall/mail/web server. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Audio recording levels
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:46:42 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: OK so your've cached up a collection of .wav files and you find that upon review your've got the general recording levels a tad on the quiet side. Is there a programme that you can run to incrase the audio level a bit more ? For existing .wav files, if you want to increase the volume, do: normalize -g x where x is a multiplier, like say 2 to double the volume. see man normalize for more info. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ When you die, you lose a very important part of your life. -- Brooke Shields Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostname in 9.2 (SOLVED)
On Friday 31 Oct 2003 H:36 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:26:47 + Poogle [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: NIC - Cable company's set top box, it works O.K in 9.1 so I must have setup something differently in 9.2, damned if I can see it though. There seems to be a pattern I'm seeing here with 9.2... One person had some probs with their prompt similar to yours, but that was solved by editing the ~/.bashrc: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ Then there's the problem with output from df being abnormally verbose, not just outputting partition/usage, but hostname/partition/useage. I wonder if something was changed in 9.2 to do with either the global /etc/bashrc config or network settings... Anyone have any thoughts on this? Using DrakConnect from MCC, I noticed an option in expert mode that said enable network hotplugging having no idea what it did, I checked it and with all dhcp name options set to localhost in drakconnect it works. Now lets see if it survives a few reboots. -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] md5 checksums for downloaded 9.2 ISOs
Brian Parish wrote: Does anyone have these or know where to find them? TIA Brian are you talking about the club member isos or the free isos .. as I can't find any isos for non-club though it's mentioned on the download page :( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mouse speed
John Richard Smith wrote: Anarky wrote: Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 29 October 2003 01:41 pm, Anarky wrote: how do I set my mouse movement speed? I didn't find it at the mouse ocnfiguration in mcc :-( KDE Control Center - Peripherals - Mouse - Advanced should give you what you want. do you by any chance know the executable name so I can run it without those menus? kcmshell mouse any good ? that was quite awesome exciting .. for as long as it lasted ... I was even able to configure my mouse for left handedness ... though the weird thing is I couldn't really figure out which one was the mouse speed .. not the acceleation. However once I logged out the settings are back ... and ... nope, I don't really like modifying config files :-( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] convert all my mp3s to oggs
Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 30 October 2003 12:50 pm, Anarky wrote: yes, but that program only does 1 file at a time .. I'm talking about batch converting everything. I'd be willing maybe to accept the losses :) Umm, it does do more than 1 file at a time. Do: mp32ogg *.mp3 and it will do the files in the directory its in, one after the other. yes .. but I'd like to have that happen for all the subdirs of the root dir :( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] md5 checksums for downloaded 9.2 ISOs
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:25, Anarky wrote: Brian Parish wrote: Does anyone have these or know where to find them? TIA Brian are you talking about the club member isos or the free isos .. as I can't find any isos for non-club though it's mentioned on the download page :( wait a couple of days it's coming (the download edition) __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- When you're being mugged..a handgun is more comfort than an ACLU lawyer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] convert all my mp3s to oggs
Todd Slater wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 07:50:44PM +0200, Anarky wrote: Todd Slater wrote: Seriously, there could be some limitations depending on your view. 1. You're going lossy to lossy so quality will be degraded 2. You *may* lose ID3 tags 3. Depending on how many mp3's you have, it could take a lng time Google for mp32ogg and see what you come up with. yes, but that program only does 1 file at a time .. I'm talking about batch converting everything. I'd be willing maybe to accept the losses :) OK, here you go. As an added bonus, it keeps ID3 tags. Requires mpg123 to convert to wav, mp3info to read id3 tags, and of course oggenc. Todd #/bin/bash # ommtoc one more mp3 to ogg converter # remember, lossy to lossy = lower quality sound # this names ogg files to format: # track# - title - album - artist.ogg # # requires mpg123 # requires mp3info # # not extensively tested!! # # SET UP VARIABLES # # top level directory to search (search is recursive) searchPath=/home/you/mp3s # # quality for ogg encoding quality=3 # # remove wav file? yes/no rmWav=yes # # remove original mp3? yes/no rmMp3=no # # no more variables! # # find all mp3's find $searchPath -type f -iname '*.mp3' mp3list while read mp3 do workingPath=`dirname $mp3` wavName=`basename $mp3|sed s/\.[mM][pP]3/\.wav/` testID3=`mp3info -p %t $mp3` if [ -z $testID3 ] ; then noID3Name=`basename $mp3|sed s/\.[mM][pP]3/\.ogg/` echo Converting '$mp3' to wav... mpg123 --wav $workingPath/$wavName $mp3 /dev/null 21 echo Encoding $wavName to ogg... oggenc -q $quality -o $workingPath/$noID3Name $workingPath/$wavName /dev/null 21 if [ $rmMp3 = yes ] ; then rm -f $mp3 fi if [ $rmWav = yes ] ; then rm -f $workingPath/$wavName fi else album=`mp3info -p %l $mp3` artist=`mp3info -p %a $mp3` genre=`mp3info -p %g $mp3` title=`mp3info -p %t $mp3` track=`mp3info -p %n $mp3` prettyTrack=`printf %02d $track` year=`mp3info -p %y $mp3` echo Converting '$mp3' to wav... mpg123 --wav $workingPath/$wavName $mp3 /dev/null 21 echo Encoding $wavName to ogg... oggenc -q $quality -a $artist -N $prettyTrack -l $album -t $title -G $genre -d $year -n $workingPath/$prettyTrack - %t - %l - %a.ogg $workingPath/$wavName /dev/null 21 if [ $rmMp3 = yes ] ; then rm -f $mp3 fi if [ $rmWav = yes ] ; then rm -f $workingPath/$wavName fi fi done mp3list rm mp3list echo Done! wow thanks!!! I'm off to trying out to see if this script does the recursion too :) thanks a lot! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] convert all my mp3s to oggs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 09:19:45PM +0200, Anarky wrote: I'd like to influence the to ogg transition of the world by converting all my mp3s to oggs ... .. is there anybody here who's good at scripting that could maybe give me a script that I could run on a folder and it would traverse all it's subfolders and transform them into oggs if they are mp3s ... or otherwise leave them alone? Then I could run this every once in a while .. and assure I'm spreading the ogg format :) I know a script is not a light thing to ask .. so many many pretty pleases with sugar cream straberryes on top ... with hopes anticipated eternal gratitude, greets. I don't know how to do it, but I have heard that mp3 and ogg each accomplish their compression in part by suppressing information that human hearing can detect. But, so I have been told, the suppress different information, and if you suppress *both* sets of separately inaudible data, the combination *is* audible. So if you succeed, give it an ear test before you discard your old mp3's. thanks for the good advice to you and all other friendly people who were interested also in the quality loss!!! thanks! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] md5 checksums for downloaded 9.2 ISOs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 31 October 2003 12:25 pm, Anarky wrote: Brian Parish wrote: Does anyone have these or know where to find them? TIA Brian are you talking about the club member isos or the free isos .. as I can't find any isos for non-club though it's mentioned on the download page :( You'll see a notice on the main Mandrake Linux home page when the ISOs are released to the ftp server mirrors. Link is below. You could always join The Club if you're in a hurry. If you're that impatient just do a network install or upgrade from the 9.2 tree that _is_ on the servers and immediately do an update. Or use rsync to download the entire tree if you have the disk space and do a hard drive install/upgrade. Or download the tree and try building your own set of ISOs, and try not to fry any LG drives you may have. Read about these and other interesting tidbits at: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ Or just wait until you see a notice at: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ and knock yourself out. g Nothing will serve you better at the moment than a bit of patience. Regards; Charlie Mahan - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 12:29:46 up 1:05, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.20, 0.29 A critic is a bundle of biases held loosely together by a sense of taste. -- Whitney Balliett -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/orpbG11CaRuZZSIRAmfuAJ9m6TC2mCwOKz3SkoX9+XZLWf2usACcDqZG 7ImT+68+6UELvA9Me55yQsY= =5jOv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] convert all my mp3s to oggs
Todd Slater wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 07:50:44PM +0200, Anarky wrote: Todd Slater wrote: Seriously, there could be some limitations depending on your view. 1. You're going lossy to lossy so quality will be degraded 2. You *may* lose ID3 tags 3. Depending on how many mp3's you have, it could take a lng time Google for mp32ogg and see what you come up with. yes, but that program only does 1 file at a time .. I'm talking about batch converting everything. I'd be willing maybe to accept the losses :) OK, here you go. As an added bonus, it keeps ID3 tags. Requires mpg123 to convert to wav, mp3info to read id3 tags, and of course oggenc. Todd #/bin/bash # ommtoc one more mp3 to ogg converter # remember, lossy to lossy = lower quality sound # this names ogg files to format: # track# - title - album - artist.ogg # # requires mpg123 # requires mp3info # # not extensively tested!! # # SET UP VARIABLES # # top level directory to search (search is recursive) searchPath=/home/you/mp3s # # quality for ogg encoding quality=3 # # remove wav file? yes/no rmWav=yes # # remove original mp3? yes/no rmMp3=no # # no more variables! # # find all mp3's find $searchPath -type f -iname '*.mp3' mp3list while read mp3 do workingPath=`dirname $mp3` wavName=`basename $mp3|sed s/\.[mM][pP]3/\.wav/` testID3=`mp3info -p %t $mp3` if [ -z $testID3 ] ; then noID3Name=`basename $mp3|sed s/\.[mM][pP]3/\.ogg/` echo Converting '$mp3' to wav... mpg123 --wav $workingPath/$wavName $mp3 /dev/null 21 echo Encoding $wavName to ogg... oggenc -q $quality -o $workingPath/$noID3Name $workingPath/$wavName /dev/null 21 if [ $rmMp3 = yes ] ; then rm -f $mp3 fi if [ $rmWav = yes ] ; then rm -f $workingPath/$wavName fi else album=`mp3info -p %l $mp3` artist=`mp3info -p %a $mp3` genre=`mp3info -p %g $mp3` title=`mp3info -p %t $mp3` track=`mp3info -p %n $mp3` prettyTrack=`printf %02d $track` year=`mp3info -p %y $mp3` echo Converting '$mp3' to wav... mpg123 --wav $workingPath/$wavName $mp3 /dev/null 21 echo Encoding $wavName to ogg... oggenc -q $quality -a $artist -N $prettyTrack -l $album -t $title -G $genre -d $year -n $workingPath/$prettyTrack - %t - %l - %a.ogg $workingPath/$wavName /dev/null 21 if [ $rmMp3 = yes ] ; then rm -f $mp3 fi if [ $rmWav = yes ] ; then rm -f $workingPath/$wavName fi fi done mp3list rm mp3list echo Done! W!! awesome ... I owe you big time! thanks a LOT!!! this is an awesome. It also works recursivelly!!! A big surprise was that on my first mp3 I got 5.6mb to 2.8mb compression ... what other ogg qualities are there besides 3? Maybe 4? Up to what? Anyplace I could find the full technical specs of these qualities? (bitrate stuff) ? Anyway .. now that i see the script is soo cool!!! soo configurable .. and yet so easy to use ... thanks again .. now that I see all this one of these nights and days I think my computer will be working hard ... and the awesome thing is that the script can be stopped at any time without problems :) awesome (I just hope that if I check delete mp3 that's only done until the ogg is done in case I ctrl-c). Thanks a lot!!! I think I'll be promoting the ogg format :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] xmms enque parameters
I made xmms behave like I used winamp in windows by adding open with commands to folders with the parameters xmms -p -e to play and enque whole folders in Krusader ... one thing I'm missing though: this way I keep adding to the old playlist .. and what I'd like to do is reset the playlist. Any ideas? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges [slightly OT]
On Friday 31 October 2003 11:29 am, HaywireMac wrote: Relying on politicians and lawyers to protect us has never served us well in the past, I see no reason to expect anything different for the future. The answer however, is not to reject everything out of hand and adopt the position that no law can be useful. At some level, we need to engage and where it makes sense, such as extending property rights to networks and machines, defining fraudulent practices such as phishing and fake websites, and enforcing laws against digital activities that in the real world would be considered criminal activity. Some of the same activities engaged in by spammers, such as postage paid advertising, deceptive practices, etc. would be illegal if done in print or snail mail. I say that if we already recognize that those activities should be prohibited, there is absolutely no reason to hold the same activities, in the electronic world as being legal or somehow deserving of more protection. It may be that the power of government is dangerous and should be watched closely. All the more reason for us to take an active role in helping prevent it from becoming so and not adopting the position that if it can not be perfect, we will stick our heads in the sand, make dire paranoid predictions and pretend that it won't happen with our input or without it. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] convert all my mp3s to oggs
Todd Slater wrote: OK, here you go. As an added bonus, it keeps ID3 tags. Requires mpg123 to convert to wav, mp3info to read id3 tags, and of course oggenc. snip script wow .. I'm trully hugelly excited about your script ... it's awesome ... in order to ease my mind of the quality loss (but still willing to risk a little bit in order to promote a free format) I'd like to convert the stuff I like at quality 5 ... that's as far as I got with the testing .. and that actually produced bigger file sizes for some stuff, increase in bitrate. So .. my question would be: I've got my mp3 dir organized like this (did it yesterday, verry happy about it): don't like but keep k like oncd unchecked but still I'd like to be able to run the script on all the folders together .. with a quality of say 3-4 .. but I'd like to have a quality of 5 for the like folder ... what do you sugest? Different scripts for each folder? Any other possibilities? greets, and many many thanks again!! You've done a really big thing for my life :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges [slightly OT]
On Friday 31 October 2003 11:38 am, Tango Echo wrote: Well, I am not a resident of Illinois, therefore, this particular criminal code does not apply to me. Good, but you might want to check these states too: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/states/ I might check the laws, not someone's interpretation of those laws. The EFF has shown itself to being apt to adopt very questionable opinions about a variety of digital issues that I strongly diverge from. Also, as written, it is not usable against a honeypot. I didn't see that - where is it? And how does this pertain to a tar pit? Well, a tar pit is basically a SMTP honeypot that just responds really slowly to slow down a spammers connection attempts and data transmission. Basically a metered SMTP server that pretends to be an open relay but actually is not. There is no contract with the spammer to deliver his mail and he is voluntarily using your server. You have no contractual obligation to actually deliver the mail, nor are you contractually or otherwise obligated to indicate to him that you are not actually going to deliver his mail. Since there is no agreement between you and him, there is no enforceable provision under which he can hold you liable for not actually delivering his mail. The quote provided said that: defines an unlawful communication device as any communication device which is capable of... facilitating the disruption... of a communication service without the express consent or express authorization of the communication service provider... Now, this might be interpreted to mean that any mail server, DNS server or basically any computer at all is an unlawful device because all of them are actually capable of disrupting a communication service. However, any prosecutor that actually walked into court and attempted to enforce that type of interpretation would be laughed out of it and ruin his career in the process. Prosecutors are not apt to throw away their career and make themselves out to be a laughing stock lightly. Unless someone can cite a case where that was tried, I would argue that such an interpretation borders on the extreme paranoid fantasy that I spoke of. However, if you attach the express consent or express authorization clause, it would appear that this section only applies to a machine that is actually used to disrupt communication without express consent or authorization and if you are running your own mail server, for your own domain, then you are the service provider and have obviously given yourself authorization and consent. Therefore, this law does not apply to an SMTP honeypot, nor to one setup to tarpit unauthorized users. If you are running the honeypot, you are the communication service provider, therefore, you have given yourself express authorization. As I understand it, the laws are writen losely so that communication service provider is left open for interpretation. The ISP is also a communication service provider. Wouldn't you agree? If you are running a mail server for your own domain, the ISP is merely a network provider or common carrier, much the way the phone company provides connectivity but does not control your activity. They do not expressly consent or authorize any activities, they merely provide a specific connection point under their contract terms to you. Short of some type of contract that actually expressly grants consent or authorizes activity, I would say that the provision does not apply. Even as a dial-up or broadband customer, my ISP does not expressly authorize or consent to any particular activity that I perform with my connection. They do and may expressly deny certain activities, but do not consent or authorize any activities. So, again, i would say that the ISP is not a service provider, except where there own machines are concerned. They are a service provider for their own mail server, news server, etc and they can act against someone who disrupts their communications without their express consent or authorization. I think that you need to reread the for the commission of a theft of a communication service portion again. A spammer, by definition is committing a theft of service and meets all the definitions of this act. So, he is going to press criminal charges against you for committing an act identical to his own? A drug dealer pressing charges against another drug dealer for dealing drugs? Not only that but criminal charges must be prosecuted by the State, not by a private entity, so there is no way that a spammer can sue you for a violation of criminal law, only for a tort. The underlying problem isn't theft of data but rather running an a unlawful communication device (program) tht distrupts communication and conseals origin of data. Again, reread the actual wording: possesses, uses, manufactures, assembles, distributes, leases, transfers, or sells an
Re: [newbie] convert all my mp3s to oggs
On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:56:44PM +0200, Anarky wrote: Todd Slater wrote: OK, here you go. As an added bonus, it keeps ID3 tags. Requires mpg123 to convert to wav, mp3info to read id3 tags, and of course oggenc. W!! awesome ... I owe you big time! thanks a LOT!!! this is an awesome. It also works recursivelly!!! A big surprise was that on my first mp3 I got 5.6mb to 2.8mb compression ... what other ogg qualities are there besides 3? Maybe 4? Up to what? Up to 10. 4 is about 128kbs mp3, and since ogg is better, 3 while only 112 kbs sounds like a 128 kbs mp3. So, I use 3 since I don't have a large drive and I only have a 256MB card for my Zaurus. I suppose man oggenc will tell more about the quality, maybe check out the vorbis site. One reason it's hard to say is that the bitrate for oggs is variable. Anyplace I could find the full technical specs of these qualities? (bitrate stuff) ? Anyway .. now that i see the script is soo cool!!! soo configurable .. and yet so easy to use ... thanks again .. now that I see all this one of these nights and days I think my computer will be working hard ... and the awesome thing is that the script can be stopped at any time without problems :) awesome (I just hope that if I check delete mp3 that's only done until the ogg is done in case I ctrl-c). Yup, it waits until it's been encoded to wav and ogg before deleting. Just be careful if you leave your mp3's in the same directory after stopping it--when you run the script again it will find them and want to re-encode them. Glad it works for you :) Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 05:40:27 -0800 (PST) Tango Echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the legal consequences of using a tar pit? Seems I remember reading something about that several months back... Or perhaps they were just questioning it becuause the TP acted as some kind of DoS attack (even tho they are connecting to you)? Maybe that's been straightened out - does any one know? try teh EFF organizatoin. they have represented ppl on this issue, iirc Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] md5 checksums for downloaded 9.2 ISOs
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 02:30, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday 31 October 2003 08:35 am, Brian Parish wrote: Does anyone have these or know where to find them? TIA Brian http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=1302 Look down towards the bottom of the page Thanks Tom, I am a club member, so it is the bittorrent downloads I want to check. To all the other replies, thanks anyway. Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shell Scripting
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:53:23 + David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Has anyone come accross any good tutorials on the net that teaches shell scripting?? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Dave rute is on your cds http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue14/bashtip.html http://linux.org.mt/article/terminal http://maththinking.com/boat/languageBooksIndex.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shell Scripting
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:53:23 + David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Has anyone come accross any good tutorials on the net that teaches shell scripting?? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Dave rute is on your cds or http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue14/bashtip.html http://linux.org.mt/article/terminal http://maththinking.com/boat/languageBooksIndex.html http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/ http://linuxlinks.propagation.net/Beginners/ http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-5.html http://www.csd.uu.se/~matkin/documents/shell/ Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostname in 9.2
I was the intiator of the previous thread a few days ago. I discovered that 9.2 didn't install a .bashrc file into the /home/[user] directory on my box. Sounds like it didn't on yours either. Just copy it over from the /root directory and (as root) change the user's copy's ownership. From there you can edit it as described. If you leave it unedited, the bash prompt wil be [EMAIL PROTECTED] directory]$ Paul On Friday 31 October 2003 09:36 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:26:47 + Poogle [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: NIC - Cable company's set top box, it works O.K in 9.1 so I must have setup something differently in 9.2, damned if I can see it though. There seems to be a pattern I'm seeing here with 9.2... One person had some probs with their prompt similar to yours, but that was solved by editing the ~/.bashrc: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ Then there's the problem with output from df being abnormally verbose, not just outputting partition/usage, but hostname/partition/useage. I wonder if something was changed in 9.2 to do with either the global /etc/bashrc config or network settings... Anyone have any thoughts on this? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges [slightly OT]
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:57:04 -0500 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This response actually brings up something that has been bugging me of late about some elements of the tech community. I realize that there are a large number of clueless politicians and lawyers out there but tech people have a tendency to be just as clueless about laws and the judicial system as well. Rather than each trying to recognize the strengths of the other and work out realistic compromises, the tech community appears to be retreating with some type of egotistical attitude that politicians and lawyers are helpless to be anything other than completely clueless when it comes to tech matters and that any law is a bad law. snip http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3529203thesection=technologythesubsection=general An exception exists to every generalisation. Of course the greens have about 5% of our vote and this one smokes dak (hence has a hard time getting treated seriously). -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] convert all my mp3s to oggs
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:38:46AM +0200, Anarky wrote: Todd Slater wrote: I think you dind't understand my question very well. I'm quite happy with editing the setings in the file .. what I mean is ... it would be cool if I could specify that quality is 4 for everything but the like folder, for which it's 5. but don't worry about it. Thanks a LOT. you've helped me hugelly. thanks. big satisfaction. Asked Sebastian Trueg (K3b author) and ogg works fine with k3b .. so now I'm all set for the big conversion :) Oh, I understand. This one does that, just set the path for high quality encoding folder. High is 5, regular is 4. If you want to change those values, there are two places for it in the script--the section for mp3s without id3 tags and the section for those with id3 tags. Todd ommtoc.sh Description: Bourne shell script Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges [slightly OT]
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:17:50 -0500 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: The answer however, is not to reject everything out of hand and adopt the position that no law can be useful. Unless you recognize that laws *create disorder* ;-) The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be. -- Lao Tsu There is an alternative to the Babylon shitstem, the bureaucracy, the SNAFU that we call government. It's people taking responsibility for their own participation in the community, the 'net, and leaving the parasites and legal priests out of it. I will never sit down with MPAA or RIAA or MS lawyers and work out a compromise. When you choose the lesser of two evils, you choose evil. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If you put it off long enough, it might go away. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges [slightly OT]
On Friday 31 October 2003 06:38 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:17:50 -0500 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: The answer however, is not to reject everything out of hand and adopt the position that no law can be useful. Unless you recognize that laws *create disorder* ;-) The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be. -- Lao Tsu There is an alternative to the Babylon shitstem, the bureaucracy, the SNAFU that we call government. It's people taking responsibility for their own participation in the community, the 'net, and leaving the parasites and legal priests out of it. I will never sit down with MPAA or RIAA or MS lawyers and work out a compromise. When you choose the lesser of two evils, you choose evil. You Sounded like Tom or Dennis there for a minute ;) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Damn these spammers! : ISP ip-ranges
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Friday 31 October 2003 09:17 am, Tango Echo wrote: Yes, I do actually. Bryan, your problem is you are too rational =). In this upside down world we live in, and an even more more upside down US legal system (plz, no OT flames) anything is possible. I've heard of cases where a theif fell thru a skylight window, injuried himself, sued the intended victim and won. While I suspect that is probably an urban legend I totally believe it is possible... Anything is possible. However, we need to gauge our actions based on what is probable. I don't think that qualifies. Ah! Here is the reference: http://www.hackbusters.net While it's possible it may deal directly with his LaBrea tar pit program, it appears to hinge around the tar pit technology. Here's a quote from the site: Quote: This section of the Illinois Criminal Code was added on January 1, 2003 by Public Act 92-728 and defines an unlawful communication device as any communication device which is capable of... facilitating the disruption... of a communication service without the express consent or express authorization of the communication service provider... Well, I am not a resident of Illinois, therefore, this particular criminal code does not apply to me. Also, as written, it is not usable against a honeypot. If you are running the honeypot, you are the communication service provider, therefore, you have given yourself express authorization. If you are the spammer, you are not the service provider, but instead are the service taker, and you are the one that does NOT have express consent or authorization. The operator of a mail server is the provider. It furthermore makes it a criminal offense if a person knowingly possesses, uses, manufactures, assembles, distributes, leases, transfers, or sells an unlawful communication device... for the commission of a theft of a communication service or to receive, disrupt, transmit, decrypt, or acquire... any communication service without the express consent or express authorization of the communication service provider, or to conceal or to assist another to conceal from any communication service provider or from any lawful authority the existence or place of origin or destination of any communication. I think that you need to reread the for the commission of a theft of a communication service portion again. A spammer, by definition is committing a theft of service and meets all the definitions of this act. So, he is going to press criminal charges against you for committing an act identical to his own? A drug dealer pressing charges against another drug dealer for dealing drugs? Not only that but criminal charges must be prosecuted by the State, not by a private entity, so there is no way that a spammer can sue you for a violation of criminal law, only for a tort. LaBrea both disrupts communication and conceals the true origin of communication in an attempt to protect a network from attack. If you are currently running LaBrea, I would suggest that you look into the legality of having an operating network tarpit in your state. ...Not to encouraging, eh ? =/ This program sounds nice too... Someone's paranoid reading of the law in a way that suits their fantasy. Again, this is defined as unlawful communication device for the commission of a theft of service. A tarpit or honeypot does not commit a theft of service, is falsely proposes to provide a service. That is a very different thing. The trick to legality, is MOTD's on all the usual services... something like: This is a network server, unauthorised access is strictly prohibited, any and all activity on these servers is recorded and monitored. By continuing, you submit that you argee with these terms and condititons. That serves two purposes, 1. they would not expect a tarpit to have such strong motd.. so it looks serious. 2. They just gave consent to your monitoring of all their communications through the server. rgds Franki Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. -- Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostname in 9.2
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:02:07 - I can't make my hostname stick at localhost, my IP is dynamic. I've edited various files (see below) and thought I'd solved it but then I rebooted and it changed back to public1-derb2-3- The edited files :- I ran the network setup wizard in expert mode and unchecked set host name from DHCP address (or something worded like that don't remember exactly) and it doesn't do it anymore. try that. Jerry. -- _||_ Registered linux user #300600 (o_ Registered linux machine # 185855 //\at V_/_ http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Audio recording levels
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:47:01 -0500 HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:26:54 -0500 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Hmm, I'd level them all out first. Otherwise you wind up with some louder than others. Can be annoying once you burn it to CD... :-) I think it would work out the same either way. Depends on the desired end result, and since he asked about *increasing* the volume, which -m may in fact *not* do... I've always used rezound to normalize in a gui environment (just cause it's point and click.. not that it does any better/worse than CLI) I think audacity also has a normalize setting. I've found the default settings to be satisfactory in rezound. Jerry. -- _||_ Registered linux user #300600 (o_ Registered linux machine # 185855 //\at V_/_ http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
