Re: [newbie] Mac OS X versus Linux - factual please
On Thursday, February 14, 2002, at 03:16 AM, Andrei Raevsky wrote: Hi guys, Thanks for all your comments which, while very interesting, do not quite answer my maybe poorly formulated question. So I will re-phrase it: do you know of any comparisons between MAC OS X and Linux which would look at aspects such as connectivity, multi-tasking, multi-user capability, telnet (how many simultaneous sessions), file system comparison (journalling), crash recovery, users and group administration, etc. Rather than a philosophical comparison with praise or blame I would simply seek an objective technical/factual comparison of the compare and contrast type. Many thanks in advance, Andrei Ok to save you some time the only differences are in the file system. Linux can use the ext2, ext3, JFS, ResierFS or XFS file systems. All except ext2 are journaling. Mac OS X can use the HFS+ (which is the recommended one) or the BSD UFS filesystem. At the moment there are no journaling capabilities available under OS X although FreeBSD's SoftUpdates are under consideration. As for the rest I'll run it down item by item Connectivity? What do you mean by that? Multi-tasking: Both Linux and Mac OS X have pre-emptive multitasking. Multi-user: Both OS's can have multiple users logged in at any one time. Telnet: Thats a setting that can be changed on either OS. Suffice it to say under normal circumstances no one will reach the limit on either OS. Crash recovery: What do you mean by this? It crashes, you reboot. You can use backup software/hardware with either OS. User and group administration: In addition to the normal Unix users and groups, you can use NIS on both OS's. OS X on its own has a unique Netinfo Domain Database system that can be used to admin networks consisting of clients of any OS. Additionaly SAMBA (SMB) can be installed and used on both to replicate Windows networking capabilities (PDC's BDC's...etc). Mac OS X is closely related to FreeBSD Unix (www.freebsd.org). The core of OS X (Darwin) inherited a lot of technology/features from FreeBSD. Since FreeBSD and Linux were already very similar (although not identical) the differences the user would see were already very little. This remains so on OS X. By comparing Mac OS X to Linux you're really just comparing one Unix to another, like Solaris to AIX or HP-UX to Tru64. What sets Mac OS X apart from other Unix's is its ability to run regular applications in addition to Unix apps. Things like Microsoft Office, Adobe Photoshop, Macromedia Freehand, Internet Explorer, Quicken, and video games such as Quake, Doom, StarCraft, WarCraftetc that are all native to the platform. And no I don't know of any sites that have an exact comparison, if anyone else does please post a link to it! It really would be redundant though since more or less *NIX is *NIX. -- Blonde Klingons: Because it was a good day to dye! -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re(4): [newbie] Mac OS X versus Linux?!
On Thursday, February 14, 2002, at 11:30 AM, Mike Settle wrote: I thought this was supposed to be a Mandrake forum - For the last three days, all I've seen is Mac OS related !!! Why don't you guys find a chatroom, or something. Have you actually been reading the emails? This entire thread stopped talking about Mac OS dozens of messages ago and is now talking about the Linux hardware support situation. -- Mac OS X, FreeBSD, Mandrake Linux and Windows XP Pro are my OS's. I am GEEK, hear me roar. -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mac OS X versus Linux?!
On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 11:12 AM, Andrei Raevsky wrote: Hi, I am looking for a good, thourough and detailed, technical comparison of Mac OS X versus Linux. A friend of mine is a really "religious" Mac user and it will take a lot to make him try Linux. I would like to help him with this. Please send me any good articles (or links) you have. Thanks, Andrei I use both Mac OS X and Mandrake Linux. Either one is fine for desktop usage. Let him stick to what he has, there really is no need for you to convince him to switch. Mac OS X is an excellent Unix by the way. There isn't much you can do with one that you can't do with the other. -- Mac OS X, FreeBSD, Mandrake Linux and Windows XP Pro are my OS's. I am GEEK, hear me roar. --
Re: [newbie] Mac OS X versus Linux?!
On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 11:12 AM, Andrei Raevsky wrote: Hi, I am looking for a good, thourough and detailed, technical comparison of Mac OS X versus Linux. A friend of mine is a really "religious" Mac user and it will take a lot to make him try Linux. I would like to help him with this. Please send me any good articles (or links) you have. Thanks, Andrei Sorry, I forgot to ask this in my first reply but why do you feel the need to convert your friend to Linux if he is happy with Mac OS X? -- Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. --
Re: [newbie] Mac OS X versus Linux?!
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:04:56 -0500, NDPTAL85 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile ArsDigita has closed up shop http://www.arsdigita.com/ All the links seem to work. Maybe you meant ADUniversity? The ACS is still open source and still available, though it's been converted from TCL to Java. Yeah its closed. Went out of business. It was announced on Slashdot last week. There's OpenACS too but who knows where that will lead. -- Computers come in two styles - prototype and obsolete! -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Urpmi Problems
For some reason whenever I add a source to my urpmi database it becomes corrupted in a way that won't let me update it. For example no matter which Cooker source I add, whenever I use urpmi.update to update it I get this back: [root@Dreadnaught ndptal85]# urpmi.update the entry to update is missing (one of ¨K) Now this is really strange because I keep clearing and adding the sources but urpmi can never find them when it comes to updating them. When I use them to install something however it DOES work. --- Avast, Ye land lubbers! --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] A bit dangerous?
On Monday, December 24, 2001, at 08:30 PM, Doug Lerner wrote: Not really. But then again Mac OS 9 does the same thing. You can click on any partition on the Desktop and then choose Initialize from the Special Menu and without a single word or warning the partition is initialized! doug Well thats not true at all. First of all Mac OS 9 won't let you initialize the startup partition/disk at all. You have to boot from another volume/CD to do that. This is the prompt you get The disk 'USS ENTERPRISE' could not be erased, because it is the startup disk, which contains the active system software. Next when you go to initialize a volume which you CAN format you get this warning Completely erase 'DEEP SPACE NINE' (ATA Bus 0 Dev 0, v3.2.5)? So as you can see you get warnings whenever you go to format a disk or drive for any reason under Mac OS 9. Where did you get the without a single word or warning the partition is initialized from? --- Linux is Luke. FreeBSD is Yoda. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Just to let you know
On Thursday, December 20, 2001, at 06:27 PM, Bob B. Bomar wrote: I have been using FreeBSD for about a year now, and I love it. I wanted to see what the major diffrences between BSD and Linux for my self. I am impressed by the graphic install, though, I am used to the text install of FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. I will admit that it is easier to install, but the FreeBSD install gives a little more control over what and where you install everything, but that is a problem with those who do not understand what is going on. Iam impressed to Mandrakes ability to have an easy installer. I do think that Mandrake is a contender for the Desktop OS if people will rid them selves of ignorance and open their eyes. Bob Bomar As you can see in this particular random sig of mine, I run FreeBSD too. Its a great OS. Mandrake is the only distro of Linux that I could find that gave me the same level of conveience. -- Mac OS X, FreeBSD, Mandrake Linux and Windows XP Pro are my OS's. I am GEEK, hear me roar. --
Re: [newbie] Freeserve, trouble with mail
On Wednesday, December 19, 2001, at 09:49 AM, Adrian Lynch wrote: I'm having trouble subscribing to this list using Freeserve. I have all the posts coming to my work account but people are complaining that 20,000 emails on the server is too much :O) Hass anyone else had problem with them, they don't seem to answer my emails, and it will pain me to call their help line. I am getting mail from them, but I can't seem to get the subscription confirmation to come back. Is it a problem with the list or should I hound Freeserver some more? Thanks in advance people I don't know what Freeserve is but it sounds like an ISP or email service. In any case if you need free reliable Pop 3 email check out softhome.net - Fate protects fools, little children, and ships named Enterprise. - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Warning for newbies, learn from my mistake
For future reference, urpmi is a safe way to update your kernel. su to root and enter urpmi kernel. Its the CLI end to the Software Manager so if you want newer kernels put the cooker ftp's in your sources. - Fate protects fools, little children, and ships named Enterprise. - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake illegal?
On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 09:56 AM, Tom Brinkman wrote: http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/12/2/42056/2147 BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. ;) -- Tom Brinkman _ South Texas, USA_ History is a tool used by politicians to justify their intentions. -- Ted Koppel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Adequacy.org is a dark humor parody site. Everything they print is a joke like the onion.com. --- All this..and more! --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: [expert] DNS problems (Its FIXED! W00 H00!)
On Monday, December 10, 2001, at 02:01 PM, Larry Sword wrote: NDPTAL85 wrote: Here is the results of route -n [root@Dreadnaught root]# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo I dialup to Earthlink thru a Netgear 4 port 56k router (model RM356). It has 4 machines connected to it of which one is the Mandrake box. The others are Mac OS X, FreeBSD and Windows XP. They are working fine. When using a static address on the Linux machine it Sounds like you need to add a gateway address to your /etc/sysconfig/nerwork file: GATEWAY=the address of your router gateway Larry Larry, thanks! I added what you said to add and its working now. I still don't know what caused it to stop working before but at least I know its working now and I don't have to re-install. And thanks to everyone else who helped too. (I'm cross-posting so everyone can see the solution) - Yoda's answering machine, this is. Leave a message, you might and call you back, he will. - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] DNS problems
After about a week of taking my Mandrake 8.1 box off of DHCP and giving it its own permanent IP it can no longer resolve domain names when using that IP. When I switch it back to DHCP it starts working fine again. I am using kernel 2.4.13-12mdk. Has anyone else come across this problem? My truck is not leaking, it's marking its territory. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] DNS problems
On Sunday, December 9, 2001, at 07:15 PM, Dave Sherman wrote: On Sun, 2001-12-09 at 18:09, NDPTAL85 wrote: After about a week of taking my Mandrake 8.1 box off of DHCP and giving it its own permanent IP it can no longer resolve domain names when using that IP. When I switch it back to DHCP it starts working fine again. I am using kernel 2.4.13-12mdk. Has anyone else come across this problem? My guess would be that your /etc/resolv.conf file is empty. If you were receiving your DNS info via DHCP, then when you disabled DHCP you no longer were receiving the IP addresses of your DNS servers. Enter them in /etc/resolv.conf, and you should be good to go. If it turns out that you already have the correct IP addresses for your DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf, I don't know what is going on. Dave -- I think that I shall never hear A poem lovelier than beer. The stuff that Joe's Bar has on tap, With golden base and snowy cap. The stuff that I can drink all day Until my mem'ry melts away. Poems are made by fools, I fear But only Schlitz can make a beer. Yes I have already added the DNS servers into resolve.conf (you can actually do that via NetConf as well) and it still isn't working. It was working before on its own IP and it just decided to stop working for some reason. I haven't changed anything or installed anything on it to prompt it, one day SETI@HOME was just unable to retrieve anymore work units and the DNS issue was the problem. -- If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining. -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] DNS settings
I have 4 boxes on my home network. A WinXP box, a Mac OS X box, Mandrake Linux workstation and a FreeBSD workstation. Earthlink is my ISP and they have 3 DNS servers. I want to set my Linux and FreeBSD boxes up as local DNS servers so I figured I would just add their IPs to the list of nameservers bringing that up to a total of 5 nameservers that OS X or XP could resolve to. Then someone told me most resolvers only check the first 3 entries anyway. Does anyone know if this is true or not? Thanks. -- Hey you kids, get off my lawn! -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] DNS settings
On Friday, December 7, 2001, at 06:49 PM, Ed Tharp wrote: not only true..but legal and any more than three are ill-legal On Friday 07 December 2001 17:40, you wrote: I have 4 boxes on my home network. A WinXP box, a Mac OS X box, Mandrake Linux workstation and a FreeBSD workstation. Earthlink is my ISP and they have 3 DNS servers. I want to set my Linux and FreeBSD boxes up as local DNS servers so I figured I would just add their IPs to the list of nameservers bringing that up to a total of 5 nameservers that OS X or XP could resolve to. Then someone told me most resolvers only check the first 3 entries anyway. Does anyone know if this is true or not? Thanks. -- Hey you kids, get off my lawn! -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com What exactly is illegal and why? There is no right way to do the wrong thing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] IP settings
How do I manually set or change my IP thru the terminal? Does it have something to do with ifconfig? Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] How to upgrade to ext3?
I have a standard install of Mandrake 8.1 and I have upgraded the kernel to the latest Cooker kernel 2.4.13-12mdk. I was wondering how can I upgrade my filesystem to ext3 from ext2? Anyone have some sites that show you how to do this? Anything Mandrake specific perhaps? Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] do I need AMD Kernel
up2date is a Red Hat utility. The article may have been specific to RH Linux. As far as I know generic kernels work fine on Athlons. On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 11:40 AM, Mr.E. wrote: I have an AMD Athlon Thunderbird processor. Do I need to install an Athlon kernel, or just leave everything (Mandrake 8.1) as is? Saw this in an issue of Penguin Shell and didn't know if applied to all Linux distros or not: Athlon Kernel] If you're running an Athlon machine, up2date will update your kernel to i386. Instead of updating it with up2date, download the 2.4.9-7.athlon.rpm and rpm -ivh it. Grub will see the old kernel as default so you just need to reset that and you're golden. - Ernie Schroder Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to upgrade to ext3?
Ok I followed your instructions and I saw the journals being created on my partitions but when I power cycle the box its still running fcsk. There's no change it keeps running fcsk each time I cycle the box. Any ideas? Thanks. On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 09:37 AM, Dave Sherman wrote: On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 04:39, NDPTAL85 wrote: I have a standard install of Mandrake 8.1 and I have upgraded the kernel to the latest Cooker kernel 2.4.13-12mdk. I was wondering how can I upgrade my filesystem to ext3 from ext2? Anyone have some sites that show you how to do this? Anything Mandrake specific perhaps? Thanks. You're in luck! I just did this yesterday morning, and it was a piece of cake. 1. Make sure you have tune2fs installed. It is probably /sbin/tune2fs, and so won't be in your path as a user, but will be as root. 2. Unmount any unused partitions (nfs or samba mount points, windows partitions if you dual-boot). 3. Run this command as root: tune2fs -j /dev/hdxx where hdxx is the device name for your hard drive partitions (hda1, hda5, etc.). You need to run this for each partition you want to convert -- you do not need to do this on your swap partition, only on your ext2 partitions. 4. Edit /etc/fstab, and change all instances of ext2 to ext3. Dave -- Love may laugh at locksmiths, but he has a profound respect for money bags. -- Sidney Paternoster, The Folly of the Wise Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] kapm-idled?
In top what is kapm-idled and why is it taking up all of my CPU time? Is it just marking how much idle CPU time there is? I'm using Mandrake 8.1 with 2.4.13-12mdk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to upgrade to ext3?
Ok got it working. Someone gave me a tip. You also have to have the latest e2fsprogs installed so I just ran urpmi e2fsprogs to install it and ext3 worked! Thanks again. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kapm-idled?
I'm running KDE. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Cooker and urpmi probelms
I'm trying to update my kernel to the latest cooker version. I have added cooker to my sources but I keep getting this error: [root@Dreadnaught ndptal85]# urpmi kernel --15:15:35-- ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake- devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm = `/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/.listing' Connecting to ftp.sunet.se:21... connected! Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! == SYST ... done.== PWD ... done. == TYPE I ... done. == CWD /pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake- devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS ... done. == PASV ... done.== LIST ... done. 0K .. .. .. .. .. 50K .. .. .. .. .. 100K .. .. .. .. .. 150K .. .. 15:16:24 (4.51 KB/s) - `/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/.listing' saved [182754] Removed `/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/.listing'. --15:16:24-- ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake- devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm = `/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm' == CWD not required. == PASV ... done.== RETR kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm ... installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm No such file `kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm'. error: open of /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm failed: No such file or directory Installation failed Whats going on, does anyone know how to fix this? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cooker and urpmi probelms
I heard the ability to upgrade the kernel had been temporarily removed from the GUI tools but that it would be returned someday. Does anyone have an idea on when? It kinda defeats the purpose of having automated tools if you have to manually download and upgrade something like the kernel yourself. On Thursday, November 29, 2001, at 04:16 PM, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 29 November 2001 03:26 pm, NDPTAL85 wrote: I'm trying to update my kernel to the latest cooker version. I have added cooker to my sources but I keep getting this error: [root@Dreadnaught ndptal85]# urpmi kernel I really don't know, so this is only conjecture on my part as I've only experimented now an then with 'urpmi'. I suspect you shouldn't use it for the same reasons SoftwareManager or MandrakeUpdate should NEVER be used for upgrading a kernel. Try d/l'g kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm to your HDD and then installing it with 'rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm' Just betch'a it'll work flawlessly ;) -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cooker and urpmi probelms
Wait I just checked the ftp site manually. The reason why it was reporting no file was because it has changed from kernel-2.4.13-11mdk to kernel-2.4.13-12mdk! So how do I get urpmi to update itself so it can see the new file? On Thursday, November 29, 2001, at 04:16 PM, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 29 November 2001 03:26 pm, NDPTAL85 wrote: I'm trying to update my kernel to the latest cooker version. I have added cooker to my sources but I keep getting this error: [root@Dreadnaught ndptal85]# urpmi kernel I really don't know, so this is only conjecture on my part as I've only experimented now an then with 'urpmi'. I suspect you shouldn't use it for the same reasons SoftwareManager or MandrakeUpdate should NEVER be used for upgrading a kernel. Try d/l'g kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm to your HDD and then installing it with 'rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.13-11mdk.i586.rpm' Just betch'a it'll work flawlessly ;) -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cooker and urpmi probelms
And why would it not be appropriate for the front end to upgrade the kernel as well? That makes no sense. If you don't want to use a front end to upgrade the kernel you can just opt not to and install your own. Just because its the kernel does not mean it shouldn't be updated with the same tools that everything else is updated with. On Thursday, November 29, 2001, at 05:36 PM, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 29 November 2001 05:36 pm, NDPTAL85 wrote: I heard the ability to upgrade the kernel had been temporarily removed from the GUI tools but that it would be returned someday. Does anyone have an idea on when? It kinda defeats the purpose of having automated tools if you have to manually download and upgrade something like the kernel yourself. I'll offer more conjecture. I don't believe 'someday' will ever come anytime soon. My basis is that package managers, CL or GUI fronts for 'em, are for installing or upgrading software, not the OS. The kernel is Linux, the OS. Everything else is just GNU (hopefully) software, and some pretend files (eg, /proc, /dev) that it interacts with and runs. Sort'a hard to keep your pickup doin 70 mph while you're changin motors ;) -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cooker and urpmi probelms (Success!)
Alright! urpmi was able to update my kernel after I updated the sources list. [ndptal85@Dreadnaught ndptal85]$ uname -a Linux Dreadnaught 2.4.13-12mdk #1 Fri Nov 23 18:44:14 CET 2001 i686 unknown Urpmi is useful when it works but its still very rough and unpolished. For instance why do we have to download a 12-13 meg file just when choosing a new source? Shouldn't pointing our machines at the new source be enough? Then it would be sorta like Debian's apt system where you just edit your sources to download from a different place. No huge file to download each time you choose a new source. Oh well at least it worked this time. :P Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SRPMS
SRPMS are Source RPM's. RPM's are Red Hat package Manager installs. Mandrake, is an RPM based distro so you can use RPM's to install things instead of compiling from source as you have been. Enter man rpm into your terminal to learn more. Once you have gotten the basic commands down check out rpmfind.net and search for new software to install. On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 03:09 AM, Moshe Kaminsky wrote: Hi, Maybe someone can explain what are the SRPMS? I usually install programs from a .tar.bz2 file, using the 'configure, make, make install' sequence. What should I do with the other files that I find the SRPM? (Especially the SPEC files, and the patches). What is the advantage of using these instead of the plain .tar.bz2 files? Thanks, Moshe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux
Just because something is different doesn't mean it should automatically be harder. As easy as RPM's are to use they still aren't as good as installing something on Windows or the Mac OS. You shouldn't need to hunt for an extra anything not even if its as close as your own CD. It wouldn't be making Linux Windows-like to fix that problem it would just be making it more simpler and easier to use. You could always opt to compile from source if you need to personally test your own manhood when installing software. On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 10:12 AM, Richie wrote: ..Wow, what a lazy bunch of buggers! First, the 'hunting for libraries' complaint is moot: I have yet to look any further than my own LM install disks for libraries-- LM is probably better than many distros out there as they actually provide you with more than one install CD and all the stuff they offer has been compiled for a Mandrake system so it's going to work. Second, no one says you *have* to install the latest kernel and it isn't even necessary unless you're adding brand new hardware that didn't exist six months ago-- how many of you out there are installing kernels just because it has a higher number? By-and-by the install process is standard-- using RPMs is easy enough and for the odd times when I have to compile there's always an install.sh or configure.sh-- and another silly thing that even comes with Windoze installations: README files-- how many of you have failed to install something properly because you didn't read the instructions. Bottom line: If you want something 'Just like Windows' then use Windows. There is no such thing as out-and-out replacing an OS. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. And while we're at it the day Linux starts acting completely like Windows is the same day I have to defragment my ReiserFS partition after I do a virus scan because my firewalling software didn't work. Linux is different. Get over it! I really don't care if my neighbour is using it or not, I just want Linux to be there so I have a choice in how I use my PC. Period! Richie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The problem with Linux
Better is a subjective term. Not all would agree. Copying MS isn't the goal. Coming to a parity with the Windows UI (Or Mac OS) in terms of ease of use is. That is the difference. On Sunday, November 25, 2001, at 07:48 PM, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Monday 26 November 2001 01:19, you wrote: their virtul cave as they need it to be. oop!, Linux Nut alert!! Stay away from mine!:) Anyway! Nobody answered my question: Why would we want to copy M$? We're different and better cause we're together! It's as simple as that. So put your energy in thinking of a better way to get things done with a GUI instead of complaining that it doesn't look like the one you don't want it to be. Good hunting, Harm Bathoorn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] hostname
Which file in /etc do I have to edit to change my hostname on Mandrake 8.1? Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] hostname
There's nothing in hosts that says anything about a hostname. This is the only thing in my hosts file: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 02:48 PM, Mark D'voo wrote: /etc/hosts (must be root) On Tuesday 20 November 2001 07:44 am, you wrote: Which file in /etc do I have to edit to change my hostname on Mandrake 8.1? Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] hostname
Nope I'm just trying to edit it manually. In FreeBSD there is rc.conf and on OS X there's hostname but on Mandrake I can't seem to find the right file. On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 08:55 PM, Anuerin G. Diaz wrote: hi, i dont know specifically but you can change it using linuxconf. are you trying to change your hostname through a script/application? ciao! NDPTAL85 wrote: Which file in /etc do I have to edit to change my hostname on Mandrake 8.1? Thanks. -- Programming, an artform that fights back. = Anuerin G. Diaz Design Engineer Millennium Software, Incorporated 25/F Equitable-PCI Tower ADB Avenue cor. Poveda St. Ortigas Center, Pasig City Tel# 638-3070 loc. 72 Fax# 638-3079 = Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Urpmi help
I trust the files on the CD's I would just like to be able to install software from the net since its more convienent then walking over to the machine and inserting the proper CD. Ok I have some sources I want to add but I don't understand the hdlist part. I can't find the hdlist on any of the sites I want to add. What does relative path of the hdlist mean exactly? For example I want to add this source ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/8.1/i586/Mandrake/ RPMS/ so what would the path of the hdlist be? Thanks. On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 10:50 PM, bascule wrote: i'm assuming that you have set up a source for the same version as is on the cd i.e. the original distro 8.1. in that case i think that urpmi must be going for hte 'easiest' route to files, i don't recall this being explicitly mentioned but it makes sense, assuming that you have correctly set up your other source then you can remove the cd sources and urpmi should use the net, is it that you don't trust the files on the cds? bascule On Thursday 15 Nov 2001 3:43 am, you wrote: Alright I know how to add media to it but how do I tell it where to get the stuff from? It always goes for the CD and never the net. Do I have to remove the CD sources for it to go to the net? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] urpmi issues continued
Ok I entered this in my console to add a source to urpmi and it failed, can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? [root@dhcppc3 ndptal85]# urpmi.addmedia ftp ftp://ftp2.sourceforge.net/pub/mirror s/mandrake/8.1/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/ with ftp://ftp2.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/ma ndrake/8.1/i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist.cz It always ends up with this error: unlink: No such file or directory wget of [source_url/ftp://ftp2.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/mandrake/8.1/i586/Mandrake/ base/hdlist.cz] failed no hdlist file found for medium ftp unable to update medium ftp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] linux on a Dell I 4100
Linux runs fine on the Dell 4000 Notebook that I have. I bought it to run WinXP but it shipped with WinME on it and I couldn't stand that so I installed Mandrake and RH on there in the meantime just to see if they would work. This was Mandrake 8.1 and RH 7.2. Everything ran fine. Also check Slashdot.com, a recent story asked the same question about Linux compatible laptops yesterday or two days ago. On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 10:07 AM, quaylar wrote: hiho ppl ! i am thinking of buying a new Dell Inspiron 4100 notebook and was wondering whether anybody could give hints/advice regarding its compatibility with linux. i already searched the linux-notebook.com website - but unfortunately its rather outdated (at least regarding the Dell notebooks) this NB has a built in 3com 56k modem and 10/100 LAN chip. According to some deja.com posts this is a hardware modem and should therefore work under linux. but i am simply not sure and would be glad if anybody could post his experience. additionally all recommendations for linux-compatible notebooks are welcome ;) regards and TIA, --quay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Urpmi help
Can anyone point me to a site showing me how to fully use urpmi? If not can anyone tell me how to get it to download stuff from the web instead of from the CD's? Also does anyone know of any http sites I can enter as sources? Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Urpmi help
Alright I know how to add media to it but how do I tell it where to get the stuff from? It always goes for the CD and never the net. Do I have to remove the CD sources for it to go to the net? On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 06:52 PM, bascule wrote: you need to add a source to the list of sources that urpmi uses, have you read the man pages for urpmi, urpmi.addmedia and urpmi.update? use the list of download sites from www.linux-mandrake.com to find a source that is convenient for you and do similar to the following (do this as root, you can add yourself to the urpmi group to avoid this-i think, though that may just be necessary to actually install using urpmi) #urpmi.addmedia somename for your source ftp://host/path/to/../Mandrake/ with ./base/hdlist.cz this should work, the argument after 'with' is the relative path of the file 'hdlist.cz from the ftp path specified earlier, you can also use an http url and you can also add user:password@ options as necessary as you would in a url window in a browser i.e. ftp://me:mypass@host/path/to/ etc. you can use either current 8.1 mirrors or cooker mirrors to download from, you could set up a source for each but then when you run urpmi you will always install the latest version of any package which may not be what you want, the mandrake software manager front end promises to let you choose what sourcess to look in but i've never tried that, this help? bascule On Wednesday 14 Nov 2001 8:48 pm, you wrote: Can anyone point me to a site showing me how to fully use urpmi? If not can anyone tell me how to get it to download stuff from the web instead of from the CD's? Also does anyone know of any http sites I can enter as sources? Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary
Well, you go to a store and buy it. Then when you install it, the 30 day countdown begins. If you don't activate it within that time frame it stops working. On Thursday, November 1, 2001, at 12:20 AM, Newbie wrote: So how do you get ahold of the software in the first place if it only lasts for 30 days? I would not pay twice for it. Thank goodness for Linux :) On Wednesday 31 October 2001 11:16 pm, you wrote: Alright enough's enough. RH is not subject to an activation scheme. Its free software just like any other Linux. What you DO have to do is register (for free) with the Red Hat Network for automated updates. You can still download the updates in regular RPM's but if you want an entire network of RH boxes to use the RH Network then you'll have to pay for that privledge. Thats all. There is no activation scheme when using RH. And for that matter, even though you have to activate WinXP you do have 30 days to do so before it will shut down. Once activated you can upgrade any component within a 120 day period as long as you do not cross a certain threshold (i.e. replacing everything at once). So yes you can upgrade your RAM and HD both at the same time or RAM and Video card or HD and CPU without triggering a re-activation, and thats all that happens. A re-activation is triggered and the OS will then function again. If no major upgrading is done within 120 days XP resets itself meaning you could (but not legally) install WinXP on two different computers if you bothered to wait 120 days between installs. Now, can we stop the OS bashing please? On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 11:39 PM, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:40:39 -0500, Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not understand the huecry, especially from linux users, about the activation process of Windows XP, or the fact that it is tied to 1 system. This not an unheard of, or unused procedure. Red Hat has been using basicly the same in there treatment of installations since 7.1. Ummm... How? Red Hat is GPL. You can download it freely of the Internet. What's the point in a product activation copy protection scheme then? -- Sridhar Dhanapalan HTML needs a rant tag. -- Eric S. Raymond Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
