[nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[cayasso]

I think Denis reminded us (or me at least) what the browser can do and what 
is possible, I think taking it to the next level would be to show both 
worlds web like and desktop like but working together (how would that 
interface be?) for a better user experience, better usability,etc, its all 
about facilitating users life, I am a fan of apple for this same reason, 
apple have done a great job with its new iPhone 5, everything on it has a 
use, its not there just to be.

Any way good luck Denis! 

JB

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:36:37 PM UTC-6, Dennis Kane wrote:
>
> I was thinking of just responding  to this old 
> thread,
>  
> in which I talk about the browser based Desktop that I've been working on, 
> but the new thing I've been doing for the past week is so superior that I 
> thought it deserved a completely new thead.  By the way, I know this forum 
> is all about server side Javascript, but there is not really any serious 
> place one can go on the web that talks about the client side.  Besides, 
> with socket.io & websockets... I don't really make much of a distinction 
> between client and server anymore.  I just know that there's no reason to 
> do a document.getElementById() call in node :)
>
> This new thing is a totally shocking clone of OS X.  I knew I was going to 
> have to start over from the ground up, because my previous code base was so 
> sh*tty, haha!  I have really been concentrating on getting a nice, tight 
> little API that developers will positively drool over.  I don't want to 
> make this thing publicly available for many reasons... but you can check 
> out a youtube vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq_W19QokXk) that shows 
> it in action, and I still have my same old crappy prototype online at 
> http://luvluvluv.info.  Well, hopefully this is proof that I am able to 
> do some cool stuff, and hopefully summa yous will want to start being my 
> friend now, LOL!!!
>
> And get this... the current, uncompressed js file size is only 54kb!
>

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[nodejs] Re: node-canvas ico support?

[vicapow]

So, i ironically,  I recently needed a way to do this myself. node-canvas 
doesn't support it but there's this package called jParser which has a 
great example of reading in an ico 
file: https://github.com/vjeux/jParser/blob/master/sample/ico/ico.node.js

from there, i put together a little script that does basically what you 
want to do. you can find it here. 

https://github.com/vicapow/clickbin/blob/master/sandbox/icon-parser.js

I just found out this myself but ico files can actually contain more then 
one image icon. I haven't figured out how to deal with yet using the 
example from jParser.

On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:45:07 AM UTC-4, nop wrote:
>
> Hi. I'd like to use node-canvas to manipulate ico-format images. I 
> couldn't find any mention of supported formats in the readme, but from 
> my tests it seems either ico are not among them or there's an issue 
> with my environment. Would someone knowledgeable in the matter please 
> let me know if ico support should be there? If it isn't, it'd also be 
> nice to know if it might find its way into node-canvas sometime soon. 
> Thanks! 
>

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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Baz]

I really like Chrome's "create application shortcut" feature. It lets you
treat a website more like an application, by giving it it's own taskbar
item (win7), branded icon, separate context (i.e. you can be logged into 2
different gmail accounts in separate app instances - unlike with tabs), and
reduced chrome (no tabs, address bar, bookmarks, etc.). I normally have my
personal gmail, work gmail, calendar, google docs, home ip camera viewer,
cloud9 ide, github, facebook and twitter open in this way (all with their
own clearly identifiable icons). It needn't be said that eventually there
will be an online alternative to almost every app, and that lots of people
will be completely online.

In that case, people are going to need a way to see and manage all their
apps, a starting point. Today we use a desktop metaphor for that, which has
been optimized for decades. I can imagine users finding an online version
of that for their online apps just as useful. Their cloud apps would be
neatly organized, iconized and available to launch. Their cloud documents
and cloud media could be viewable and playable with just a few clicks.
There could be tools for app discovery and "installation". All accessible
from any machine, of course.

I wouldn't bet against a promising scrappy start-up in it for the long-haul
pursuing "online desktop" dominance. A brave founder could burst on the
scene and declare themselves the first person to live completely on the
cloud, giving up all traditional apps. Monetization would come from
integration and discovery of content providers (i.e. spotify, netflix,
etc.). Judging from the video (I thought it was well done), and if the code
holds up, Dennis looks like the technical lead. Open req's: "business
co-founder", "investor co-founder" and some devs.

Baz

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Re: [nodejs] Listing all Pads + full text search

[Nelson Silva]

This appears to target etherpad lite so it should be posted to 
etherpad-lite-dev.

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Re: [nodejs] Listing all Pads + full text search

[Marcel Laverdet]

Is this about NodeJS? Am I the only one who has no idea what's going on?

On Saturday, September 29, 2012, Dan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> first of all I want to thank you all for that amazing project :)
>
> I'm really missing an index or a list of all available pads. I think that
> can be achieved quite easily by implementing a plugin that uses a hook that
> is called whenever a new pad is created. Then storing the name of the pad
> in a simple list in the db. E.g. { 'key' : 'pad_index': ['pad_1',
> 'pad_2',...] }. The plugin can then list all available pads quite
> effective. The problem is, that I could not find any hook that will call me
> when new pads are added. Would it be possible to implement that hook so
> that I can write the plugin?
>
> The second feature that I'm missing is a global full text search. Since
> its quite inefficient to search in the key/value table I'm thinking of
> creating my own fulltext index that consists of the most recent pad
> versions. Would that be possible in an plugin?
>
> Kind regards,
> Dan
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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Stewart Mckinney]

That's pretty much my take. It's nice to see he is enthusiastic about
his endeavors, and I wish him the best of luck, but for me if you are not
going to show me any code, why are you posting it in this forum?

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Sotonin  wrote:

> I've kept quiet on this thread to see how it plays out. I was waiting for
> the OP to finally post something similar to "Why is everybody ignoring me
> why isn't there any interest?". Now that it's happened, here's my 2 cents.
>
> While I admit It looks neat from the YouTube video, It's just a gimmick.
> There's been numerous web desktop projects throughout the years and they
> all fail to garner enough real interest to go anywhere. Quite frankly there
> are so many UI libraries out there for building nice UI that nothing in
> your demo is really that revolutionary at all. Node has been around a while
> for doing the file IO, UI libraries are plentiful. In fact the only thing
> "special" about your demo is that it's a Mac OS clone... (Good luck open
> sourcing something thats 100% Apple copyrighted material.). It also doesn't
> help the OPs general attitude throughout all his posts is "Everything else
> sucks, my stuff is magical". Very reminiscent of Steve Jobs. Adjusting your
> tone a little and you might have gotten a little more fish biting.
>
> That said, I have always been interested in the web desktop type projects,
> just not interested enough to contribute. I like to see the results and
> code. (This is a programming mailing list afterall, nobody cares much about
> youtube videos, we want to see code)
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>
>> Yes that IS much better, thank you for clearing that up and I am sure OP
>> will respond to that in a more positive fashion.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
>>>
>>> The term constructive criticism which is always
>>> welcome innately suggests that there is a better alternative idea or path
>>> that could be taken. Now logic would also suggest that the person making
>>> this criticism have at least an inkling of what that might be.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been really patient with your aggro commentary, but it's clear to
>>> me that you're not reading my responses in their entirety.
>>>
>>> 1. I'm definitely interested in the OPs project.
>>>
>>> 2. YouTube videos do not satisfy my interests as a programmer and
>>> software engineer.
>>>
>>> 3. I want to see some code, that will be exciting
>>>
>>>
>>> Hopefully I've made myself perfectly clear this time.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:
>>>
>>> > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,
>>>
>>> I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 Informed and critical opinions are necessary for broader growth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>>>
>>> I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a
>>> practical way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit
>>> harsh and I was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be
>>> helpful, I also don't assume that I can see the direction that something
>>> will take. What I know is that it is good for people to be creative
>>> whatever that form takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more
>>> then most people will ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out
>>> their own ideas out there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do
>>> it and he gets to where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from
>>> it. I would applaud again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>>>
>>> > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting
>>>
>>> That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.
>>>  I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
>>>
>>> To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start
>>> from somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been
>>> using computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and
>>> go.  I for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users
>>> nowadays grew up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least
>>> as familiar with as the desktop.
>>>
>>> Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.
>>>  Where can it go from here?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>>>
>>> The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
>>> familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
>>> more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
>>> interesting after iteration(x) that is created.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>>>
>>> I know th

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Sotonin]

I've kept quiet on this thread to see how it plays out. I was waiting for
the OP to finally post something similar to "Why is everybody ignoring me
why isn't there any interest?". Now that it's happened, here's my 2 cents.

While I admit It looks neat from the YouTube video, It's just a gimmick.
There's been numerous web desktop projects throughout the years and they
all fail to garner enough real interest to go anywhere. Quite frankly there
are so many UI libraries out there for building nice UI that nothing in
your demo is really that revolutionary at all. Node has been around a while
for doing the file IO, UI libraries are plentiful. In fact the only thing
"special" about your demo is that it's a Mac OS clone... (Good luck open
sourcing something thats 100% Apple copyrighted material.). It also doesn't
help the OPs general attitude throughout all his posts is "Everything else
sucks, my stuff is magical". Very reminiscent of Steve Jobs. Adjusting your
tone a little and you might have gotten a little more fish biting.

That said, I have always been interested in the web desktop type projects,
just not interested enough to contribute. I like to see the results and
code. (This is a programming mailing list afterall, nobody cares much about
youtube videos, we want to see code)



On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Gerald Klein  wrote:

> Yes that IS much better, thank you for clearing that up and I am sure OP
> will respond to that in a more positive fashion.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
>>
>> The term constructive criticism which is always welcome innately suggests
>> that there is a better alternative idea or path that could be taken. Now
>> logic would also suggest that the person making this criticism have at
>> least an inkling of what that might be.
>>
>>
>> I've been really patient with your aggro commentary, but it's clear to me
>> that you're not reading my responses in their entirety.
>>
>> 1. I'm definitely interested in the OPs project.
>>
>> 2. YouTube videos do not satisfy my interests as a programmer and
>> software engineer.
>>
>> 3. I want to see some code, that will be exciting
>>
>>
>> Hopefully I've made myself perfectly clear this time.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:
>>
>> > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,
>>
>> I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.
>>
>>
>> +1 Informed and critical opinions are necessary for broader growth
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>>
>> I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a
>> practical way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit
>> harsh and I was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be
>> helpful, I also don't assume that I can see the direction that something
>> will take. What I know is that it is good for people to be creative
>> whatever that form takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more
>> then most people will ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out
>> their own ideas out there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do
>> it and he gets to where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from
>> it. I would applaud again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>>
>> > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting
>>
>> That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.
>>  I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
>>
>> To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start from
>> somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been using
>> computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and go.  I
>> for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users nowadays grew
>> up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least as familiar
>> with as the desktop.
>>
>> Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.
>>  Where can it go from here?
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>>
>> The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
>> familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
>> more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
>> interesting after iteration(x) that is created.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>>
>> I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.
>>  Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a
>> modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with responsive
>> web pages to be a better experience.
>>
>> Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with
>> gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a 

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Gerald Klein]

Yes that IS much better, thank you for clearing that up and I am sure OP
will respond to that in a more positive fashion.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:

>
> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
>
> The term constructive criticism which is always welcome innately suggests
> that there is a better alternative idea or path that could be taken. Now
> logic would also suggest that the person making this criticism have at
> least an inkling of what that might be.
>
>
> I've been really patient with your aggro commentary, but it's clear to me
> that you're not reading my responses in their entirety.
>
> 1. I'm definitely interested in the OPs project.
>
> 2. YouTube videos do not satisfy my interests as a programmer and software
> engineer.
>
> 3. I want to see some code, that will be exciting
>
>
> Hopefully I've made myself perfectly clear this time.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:
>
> > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,
>
> I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.
>
>
> +1 Informed and critical opinions are necessary for broader growth
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>
> I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a practical
> way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit harsh and I
> was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be helpful, I
> also don't assume that I can see the direction that something will take.
> What I know is that it is good for people to be creative whatever that form
> takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more then most people will
> ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out their own ideas out
> there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do it and he gets to
> where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from it. I would applaud
> again.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>
> > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting
>
> That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.
>  I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
>
> To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start from
> somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been using
> computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and go.  I
> for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users nowadays grew
> up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least as familiar
> with as the desktop.
>
> Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.
>  Where can it go from here?
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>
> The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
> familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
> more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
> interesting after iteration(x) that is created.
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>
> I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.  Why
> would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a modern
> brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with responsive web
> pages to be a better experience.
>
> Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with
> gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop metaphor
> with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons into desktop
> windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
> >
> > My most recent work can be seen here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> >
> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
> Trashcan.
> >
> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am
> really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
> beautiful started!
>
> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>
> Share some code ;)
>
> Rick
>
> >
> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
> >
> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as thei

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Rick Waldron]

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:

> The term constructive criticism which is always welcome innately suggests 
> that there is a better alternative idea or path that could be taken. Now 
> logic would also suggest that the person making this criticism have at least 
> an inkling of what that might be. 

I've been really patient with your aggro commentary, but it's clear to me that 
you're not reading my responses in their entirety.

1. I'm definitely interested in the OPs project. 

2. YouTube videos do not satisfy my interests as a programmer and software 
engineer. 

3. I want to see some code, that will be exciting 


Hopefully I've made myself perfectly clear this time.

Rick


> 
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Rick Waldron  (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:
> > 
> > > > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,
> > > 
> > > I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.
> > 
> > +1 Informed and critical opinions are necessary for broader growth
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein  > > (mailto:j...@zognet.com)> wrote:
> > > > I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a 
> > > > practical way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit 
> > > > harsh and I was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments 
> > > > to be helpful, I also don't assume that I can see the direction that 
> > > > something will take. What I know is that it is good for people to be 
> > > > creative whatever that form takes. He is putting is ideas out there 
> > > > which is more then most people will ever do. I applaud any effort by a 
> > > > person putting out their own ideas out there for everyone to see and I 
> > > > hope he continues to do it and he gets to where he's going, I hope 
> > > > someday he makes millions from it. I would applaud again. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  > > > (mailto:m...@hahnca.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting 
> > > > > 
> > > > > That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any 
> > > > > enthusiasm.  I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
> > > > > 
> > > > > To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start 
> > > > > from somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have 
> > > > > been using computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors 
> > > > > come and go.  I for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  
> > > > > Most users nowadays grew up with the web, so it is a metaphor that 
> > > > > they are at least as familiar with as the desktop. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.  
> > > > > Where can it go from here?
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  > > > > (mailto:j...@zognet.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a 
> > > > > > familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or 
> > > > > > feel more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come 
> > > > > > something interesting after iteration(x) that is created.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  > > > > > (mailto:m...@hahnca.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand 
> > > > > > > it.  Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 
> > > > > > > years ago on a modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents 
> > > > > > > on the web with responsive web pages to be a better experience.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality 
> > > > > > > with gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a 
> > > > > > > desktop metaphor with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring 
> > > > > > > up from icons into desktop windows, they appear as web pages from 
> > > > > > > web links.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron 
> > > > > > > mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  > > > > > > > (mailto:dkan...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My most recent work can be seen here: 
> > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a 
> > > > > > > > > working Trashcan.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of 
> > > > > > > > > this & I am really eager to get together with programmers who 
> > > > > > > > > want to get something beautiful started!
> > > > > > > > I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to 
> > > > > > > > be

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Gerald Klein]

If that it was you feel about this thread you know the subject line, give
it a pass instead of wasting time talking about something that you have
stated does not interest you.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:

>
> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
>
> "a thread of rants making deluded claims" Here we go negative again, "a
> thread of rants making deluded claims" you just love to hear yourself talk
> don't you. I didn't respond to your last post because you started to make
> reasonable representation of your case, let it go.
>
>
> Have you actually read all of the posts in this thread? I have. It reads
> like "no one does anything interesting, except for me. Why is everyone
> ignoring me?" That IS my reasonable case presentation.
>
> If you want, I'll spend some time gathering examples for you...
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
>
> Call it soap boxing what ever you like, but when you say "I think I speak
> for most when I say" I have a problem, because you don't. Further the line
> about show us some code was not what I was talking about, it was the lines
> prior to that. "you've given us nothing to be interested in, aside from a
> few YouTube videos and some hints about an API that, to be honest, looks
> nothing like a well designed JavaScript API" Ah yes a positive
> and necessary critique from someone with an obvious superior intelligence.
> Personally I don't care what your creating robots with, this has to do
> with respect. You know I have always been impressed with braggarts that use
> accomplishment to justify rude behavior.
>
> I didn't mention those projects to brag at all, I mentioned them because
> the OP has created a thread of rants making deluded claims and then
> complains that no one is interested.
>
> Well... I'm interested, but I want to see more and I don't mean more
> YouTube videos and rants, I want code.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>
>  On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
>
> @Rick please don't speak for most, speak for your self. If you have no
> interest then don't comment. Large ideas come from small ideas, I would
> hate to think that something I might say could have been short sighted may
> ruin the chances of something good happening coming out of someones effort.
> IMHO
>
>
> thanks --jerry
>
>
> Reel it in buddy, I was the first person to respond to the original post
> (shared some interesting, related research and information).
>
> Since then all I've read is long winded soapboxing, with claims that
> people don't take JavaScript seriously enough as a "high level" language
> and that no one is innovating quite like the author is... forgive me, but I
> expect substance to back claims like that. I've spent the last 7 months
> programming arduino robots with JavaScript and this past week Felix G
> demoed ARdrone control programs written in JS... None of that would matter
> if there were no code to show for it. So like I said, show me some code and
> I'll show you some interest.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
> >
> > My most recent work can be seen here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> >
> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
> Trashcan.
> >
> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am
> really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
> beautiful started!
>
> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>
> Share some code ;)
>
> Rick
>
> >
> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
> >
> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am
> using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
> user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
> OS X!
> >
> > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
> through this kind of interface...
> >
> > --
> > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/
> > Posting guidelines:
> https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines
>

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Rick Waldron]

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:

> "a thread of rants making deluded claims" Here we go negative again, "a 
> thread of rants making deluded claims" you just love to hear yourself talk 
> don't you. I didn't respond to your last post because you started to make 
> reasonable representation of your case, let it go.
> 


Have you actually read all of the posts in this thread? I have. It reads like 
"no one does anything interesting, except for me. Why is everyone ignoring me?" 
That IS my reasonable case presentation. 

If you want, I'll spend some time gathering examples for you...

> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Rick Waldron  (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
> > 
> > > Call it soap boxing what ever you like, but when you say "I think I speak 
> > > for most when I say" I have a problem, because you don't. Further the 
> > > line about show us some code was not what I was talking about, it was the 
> > > lines prior to that. "you've given us nothing to be interested in, aside 
> > > from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API that, to be honest, 
> > > looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API" Ah yes a positive and 
> > > necessary critique from someone with an obvious superior intelligence. 
> > > Personally I don't care what your creating robots with, this has to do 
> > > with respect. You know I have always been impressed with braggarts that 
> > > use accomplishment to justify rude behavior.  
> > I didn't mention those projects to brag at all, I mentioned them because 
> > the OP has created a thread of rants making deluded claims and then 
> > complains that no one is interested. 
> > 
> > Well... I'm interested, but I want to see more and I don't mean more 
> > YouTube videos and rants, I want code.
> > 
> > Rick
> >  
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Rick Waldron  > > (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
> > > > > > @Rick please don't speak for most, speak for your self. If you have 
> > > > > > no interest then don't comment. Large ideas come from small ideas, 
> > > > > > I would hate to think that something I might say could have been 
> > > > > > short sighted may ruin the chances of something good happening 
> > > > > > coming out of someones effort. IMHO
> > > > > 
> > > > > thanks --jerry 
> > > > 
> > > > Reel it in buddy, I was the first person to respond to the original 
> > > > post (shared some interesting, related research and information).  
> > > > 
> > > > Since then all I've read is long winded soapboxing, with claims that 
> > > > people don't take JavaScript seriously enough as a "high level" 
> > > > language and that no one is innovating quite like the author is... 
> > > > forgive me, but I expect substance to back claims like that. I've spent 
> > > > the last 7 months programming arduino robots with JavaScript and this 
> > > > past week Felix G demoed ARdrone control programs written in JS... None 
> > > > of that would matter if there were no code to show for it. So like I 
> > > > said, show me some code and I'll show you some interest.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Rick 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Rick Waldron  > > > > (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  > > > > > (mailto:dkan...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My most recent work can be seen here: 
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a 
> > > > > > > working Trashcan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this 
> > > > > > > & I am really eager to get together with programmers who want to 
> > > > > > > get something beautiful started!
> > > > > > I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be 
> > > > > > interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about 
> > > > > > an API that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed 
> > > > > > JavaScript API. 
> > > > > > Share some code ;) 
> > > > > > Rick 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end 
> > > > > > > experience crucially determines how much "excitement" the 
> > > > > > > back-end administrators will have.  At the moment, the web is 
> > > > > > > filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive front-ends.  So anyone 
> > > > > > > who wants to work with me will really have a leg up in terms of 
> > > > > > > offering the kind of user experience that will keep the 
> > > > > > > back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully 
> > > > > > > employed" ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of 
> > > > > > > this will not want

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Gerald Klein]

Once again Mark my responses have not been about you, you
have acquitted your self as quite reasonable.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:

> >  there is a way of presenting them
>
> Yes.  Civility is to be expected.
>
> >  if you have a negative I would assume you must have a positive to
> supplant it.
>
> Huh?  I have what I have.  This isn't a debate, it's just me giving my
> opinion.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>
>> I agree but there is a way of presenting them, further if you have a
>> negative I would assume you must have a positive to supplant it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>>
>>> > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,
>>>
>>> I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>>>
 I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a
 practical way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit
 harsh and I was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be
 helpful, I also don't assume that I can see the direction that something
 will take. What I know is that it is good for people to be creative
 whatever that form takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more
 then most people will ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out
 their own ideas out there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do
 it and he gets to where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from
 it. I would applaud again.



 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:

> > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting
>
> That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any
> enthusiasm.  I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
>
> To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start
> from somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been
> using computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and
> go.  I for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users
> nowadays grew up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least
> as familiar with as the desktop.
>
> Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.
>  Where can it go from here?
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>
>> The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
>> familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
>> more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
>> interesting after iteration(x) that is created.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>>
>>> I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand
>>> it.  Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago 
>>> on a
>>> modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with 
>>> responsive
>>> web pages to be a better experience.
>>>
>>> Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality
>>> with gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop
>>> metaphor with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons 
>>> into
>>> desktop windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron <
>>> waldron.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>

 On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
 >
 > My most recent work can be seen here:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
 >
 > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a
 working Trashcan.
 >
 > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this
 & I am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get
 something beautiful started!

 I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
 interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an 
 API
 that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.

 Share some code ;)

 Rick

 >
 > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end
 experience crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end
 administrators will have.  At the moment, the web is filled with 
 absolutely
 boring/unresponsive front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me 
 will
 really have a leg up in terms of offering the kind of user experience 
 that
 will keep the back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully
 employed" ;)
 >
 > By the 

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Mark Hahn]

>  there is a way of presenting them

Yes.  Civility is to be expected.

>  if you have a negative I would assume you must have a positive to
supplant it.

Huh?  I have what I have.  This isn't a debate, it's just me giving my
opinion.


On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:

> I agree but there is a way of presenting them, further if you have a
> negative I would assume you must have a positive to supplant it.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>
>> > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,
>>
>> I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>>
>>> I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a
>>> practical way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit
>>> harsh and I was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be
>>> helpful, I also don't assume that I can see the direction that something
>>> will take. What I know is that it is good for people to be creative
>>> whatever that form takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more
>>> then most people will ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out
>>> their own ideas out there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do
>>> it and he gets to where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from
>>> it. I would applaud again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>>>
 > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting

 That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any
 enthusiasm.  I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.

 To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start
 from somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been
 using computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and
 go.  I for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users
 nowadays grew up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least
 as familiar with as the desktop.

 Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.
  Where can it go from here?

 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:

> The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
> familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
> more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
> interesting after iteration(x) that is created.
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>
>> I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.
>>  Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a
>> modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with 
>> responsive
>> web pages to be a better experience.
>>
>> Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality
>> with gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop
>> metaphor with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons 
>> into
>> desktop windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > My most recent work can be seen here:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
>>> >
>>> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
>>> Trashcan.
>>> >
>>> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this
>>> & I am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get
>>> something beautiful started!
>>>
>>> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
>>> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an 
>>> API
>>> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>>>
>>> Share some code ;)
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> >
>>> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
>>> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators 
>>> will
>>> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely 
>>> boring/unresponsive
>>> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg 
>>> up
>>> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
>>> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
>>> >
>>> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of
>>> this will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front 
>>> end.  I
>>> am using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make 
>>> the
>>> end user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
>>>

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Gerald Klein]

The term constructive criticism which is always welcome innately suggests
that there is a better alternative idea or path that could be taken. Now
logic would also suggest that the person making this criticism have at
least an inkling of what that might be.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:

>
> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:
>
> > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,
>
> I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.
>
>
> +1 Informed and critical opinions are necessary for broader growth
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>
> I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a practical
> way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit harsh and I
> was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be helpful, I
> also don't assume that I can see the direction that something will take.
> What I know is that it is good for people to be creative whatever that form
> takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more then most people will
> ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out their own ideas out
> there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do it and he gets to
> where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from it. I would applaud
> again.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>
> > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting
>
> That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.
>  I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
>
> To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start from
> somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been using
> computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and go.  I
> for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users nowadays grew
> up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least as familiar
> with as the desktop.
>
> Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.
>  Where can it go from here?
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>
> The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
> familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
> more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
> interesting after iteration(x) that is created.
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>
> I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.  Why
> would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a modern
> brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with responsive web
> pages to be a better experience.
>
> Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with
> gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop metaphor
> with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons into desktop
> windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
> >
> > My most recent work can be seen here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> >
> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
> Trashcan.
> >
> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am
> really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
> beautiful started!
>
> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>
> Share some code ;)
>
> Rick
>
> >
> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
> >
> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am
> using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
> user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
> OS X!
> >
> > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
> through this kind of interface...
> >
> > --
> > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/
> > Posting guidelines:
> https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> > Groups "nodejs" group.
> > To post to this group, send email to nodejs@googlegroups.com

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Gerald Klein]

"a thread of rants making deluded claims" Here we go negative again, "a
thread of rants making deluded claims" you just love to hear yourself talk
don't you. I didn't respond to your last post because you started to make
reasonable representation of your case, let it go.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:

>
> On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
>
> Call it soap boxing what ever you like, but when you say "I think I speak
> for most when I say" I have a problem, because you don't. Further the line
> about show us some code was not what I was talking about, it was the lines
> prior to that. "you've given us nothing to be interested in, aside from a
> few YouTube videos and some hints about an API that, to be honest, looks
> nothing like a well designed JavaScript API" Ah yes a positive
> and necessary critique from someone with an obvious superior intelligence.
> Personally I don't care what your creating robots with, this has to do
> with respect. You know I have always been impressed with braggarts that use
> accomplishment to justify rude behavior.
>
> I didn't mention those projects to brag at all, I mentioned them because
> the OP has created a thread of rants making deluded claims and then
> complains that no one is interested.
>
> Well... I'm interested, but I want to see more and I don't mean more
> YouTube videos and rants, I want code.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>
>  On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
>
> @Rick please don't speak for most, speak for your self. If you have no
> interest then don't comment. Large ideas come from small ideas, I would
> hate to think that something I might say could have been short sighted may
> ruin the chances of something good happening coming out of someones effort.
> IMHO
>
>
> thanks --jerry
>
>
> Reel it in buddy, I was the first person to respond to the original post
> (shared some interesting, related research and information).
>
> Since then all I've read is long winded soapboxing, with claims that
> people don't take JavaScript seriously enough as a "high level" language
> and that no one is innovating quite like the author is... forgive me, but I
> expect substance to back claims like that. I've spent the last 7 months
> programming arduino robots with JavaScript and this past week Felix G
> demoed ARdrone control programs written in JS... None of that would matter
> if there were no code to show for it. So like I said, show me some code and
> I'll show you some interest.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
> >
> > My most recent work can be seen here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> >
> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
> Trashcan.
> >
> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am
> really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
> beautiful started!
>
> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>
> Share some code ;)
>
> Rick
>
> >
> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
> >
> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am
> using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
> user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
> OS X!
> >
> > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
> through this kind of interface...
> >
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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Rick Waldron]

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:

> > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,
> 
> I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.

+1 Informed and critical opinions are necessary for broader growth
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein  (mailto:j...@zognet.com)> wrote:
> > I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a practical 
> > way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit harsh and I 
> > was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be helpful, I 
> > also don't assume that I can see the direction that something will take. 
> > What I know is that it is good for people to be creative whatever that form 
> > takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more then most people will 
> > ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out their own ideas out 
> > there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do it and he gets to 
> > where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from it. I would applaud 
> > again. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  > (mailto:m...@hahnca.com)> wrote:
> > > > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting 
> > > 
> > > That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.  
> > > I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
> > > 
> > > To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start from 
> > > somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been using 
> > > computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and go.  I 
> > > for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users nowadays 
> > > grew up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least as 
> > > familiar with as the desktop. 
> > > 
> > > Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.  
> > > Where can it go from here?
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  > > (mailto:j...@zognet.com)> wrote:
> > > > The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a familiar 
> > > > metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel more at 
> > > > home. This ia also to say that from this may come something interesting 
> > > > after iteration(x) that is created.
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  > > > (mailto:m...@hahnca.com)> wrote:
> > > > > I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it. 
> > > > >  Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on 
> > > > > a modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with 
> > > > > responsive web pages to be a better experience.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality 
> > > > > with gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop 
> > > > > metaphor with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from 
> > > > > icons into desktop windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron  > > > > (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  > > > > > (mailto:dkan...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My most recent work can be seen here: 
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a 
> > > > > > > working Trashcan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this 
> > > > > > > & I am really eager to get together with programmers who want to 
> > > > > > > get something beautiful started!
> > > > > > I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be 
> > > > > > interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about 
> > > > > > an API that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed 
> > > > > > JavaScript API. 
> > > > > > Share some code ;) 
> > > > > > Rick 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end 
> > > > > > > experience crucially determines how much "excitement" the 
> > > > > > > back-end administrators will have.  At the moment, the web is 
> > > > > > > filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive front-ends.  So anyone 
> > > > > > > who wants to work with me will really have a leg up in terms of 
> > > > > > > offering the kind of user experience that will keep the 
> > > > > > > back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully 
> > > > > > > employed" ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of 
> > > > > > > this will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their 
> > > > > > > front end.  I am using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how 
> > > > > > > awesome I can make the end user experience.  Once I can get this 
> > > > > > > prototype working

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Rick Waldron]

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:

> Call it soap boxing what ever you like, but when you say "I think I speak for 
> most when I say" I have a problem, because you don't. Further the line about 
> show us some code was not what I was talking about, it was the lines prior to 
> that. "you've given us nothing to be interested in, aside from a few YouTube 
> videos and some hints about an API that, to be honest, looks nothing like a 
> well designed JavaScript API" Ah yes a positive and necessary critique from 
> someone with an obvious superior intelligence. Personally I don't care what 
> your creating robots with, this has to do with respect. You know I have 
> always been impressed with braggarts that use accomplishment to justify rude 
> behavior.  
I didn't mention those projects to brag at all, I mentioned them because the OP 
has created a thread of rants making deluded claims and then complains that no 
one is interested. 

Well... I'm interested, but I want to see more and I don't mean more YouTube 
videos and rants, I want code.

Rick
 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Rick Waldron  (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
> > > > @Rick please don't speak for most, speak for your self. If you have no 
> > > > interest then don't comment. Large ideas come from small ideas, I would 
> > > > hate to think that something I might say could have been short sighted 
> > > > may ruin the chances of something good happening coming out of someones 
> > > > effort. IMHO
> > > 
> > > thanks --jerry 
> > 
> > Reel it in buddy, I was the first person to respond to the original post 
> > (shared some interesting, related research and information).  
> > 
> > Since then all I've read is long winded soapboxing, with claims that people 
> > don't take JavaScript seriously enough as a "high level" language and that 
> > no one is innovating quite like the author is... forgive me, but I expect 
> > substance to back claims like that. I've spent the last 7 months 
> > programming arduino robots with JavaScript and this past week Felix G 
> > demoed ARdrone control programs written in JS... None of that would matter 
> > if there were no code to show for it. So like I said, show me some code and 
> > I'll show you some interest.  
> > 
> > 
> > Rick 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Rick Waldron  > > (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  > > > (mailto:dkan...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My most recent work can be seen here: 
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> > > > >
> > > > > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working 
> > > > > Trashcan.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I 
> > > > > am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get 
> > > > > something beautiful started!
> > > > I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be 
> > > > interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an 
> > > > API that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript 
> > > > API. 
> > > > Share some code ;) 
> > > > Rick 
> > > > >
> > > > > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience 
> > > > > crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end 
> > > > > administrators will have.  At the moment, the web is filled with 
> > > > > absolutely boring/unresponsive front-ends.  So anyone who wants to 
> > > > > work with me will really have a leg up in terms of offering the kind 
> > > > > of user experience that will keep the back-enders on their toes ("on 
> > > > > their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this 
> > > > > will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  
> > > > > I am using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can 
> > > > > make the end user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working 
> > > > > as well as possible, then I can start to think about how to make it 
> > > > > even better than OS X!
> > > > >
> > > > > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up 
> > > > > through this kind of interface...
> > > > >
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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Gerald Klein]

I agree but there is a way of presenting them, further if you have a
negative I would assume you must have a positive to supplant it.



On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:

> > I have never found negative comments to be helpful,
>
> I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>
>> I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a
>> practical way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit
>> harsh and I was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be
>> helpful, I also don't assume that I can see the direction that something
>> will take. What I know is that it is good for people to be creative
>> whatever that form takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more
>> then most people will ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out
>> their own ideas out there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do
>> it and he gets to where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from
>> it. I would applaud again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>>
>>> > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting
>>>
>>> That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.
>>>  I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
>>>
>>> To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start
>>> from somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been
>>> using computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and
>>> go.  I for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users
>>> nowadays grew up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least
>>> as familiar with as the desktop.
>>>
>>> Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.
>>>  Where can it go from here?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>>>
 The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
 familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
 more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
 interesting after iteration(x) that is created.

 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:

> I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.
>  Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a
> modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with 
> responsive
> web pages to be a better experience.
>
> Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with
> gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop metaphor
> with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons into desktop
> windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
>> >
>> > My most recent work can be seen here:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
>> >
>> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
>> Trashcan.
>> >
>> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this &
>> I am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get
>> something beautiful started!
>>
>> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
>> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an 
>> API
>> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>>
>> Share some code ;)
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> >
>> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
>> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators 
>> will
>> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely 
>> boring/unresponsive
>> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg 
>> up
>> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
>> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
>> >
>> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of
>> this will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end. 
>>  I
>> am using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the
>> end user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
>> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
>> OS X!
>> >
>> > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
>> through this kind of interface...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/
>> > Posting guidelines:
>> https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines
>> > You received this message

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Mark Hahn]

> I have never found negative comments to be helpful,

I respectfully disagree.  Informed opinions should be welcome here.


On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:

> I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a practical
> way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit harsh and I
> was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be helpful, I
> also don't assume that I can see the direction that something will take.
> What I know is that it is good for people to be creative whatever that form
> takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more then most people will
> ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out their own ideas out
> there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do it and he gets to
> where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from it. I would applaud
> again.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>
>> > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting
>>
>> That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.
>>  I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
>>
>> To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start from
>> somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been using
>> computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and go.  I
>> for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users nowadays grew
>> up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least as familiar
>> with as the desktop.
>>
>> Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.
>>  Where can it go from here?
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>>
>>> The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
>>> familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
>>> more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
>>> interesting after iteration(x) that is created.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>>>
 I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.
  Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a
 modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with responsive
 web pages to be a better experience.

 Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with
 gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop metaphor
 with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons into desktop
 windows, they appear as web pages from web links.


 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron 
 wrote:

>
> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
> >
> > My most recent work can be seen here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> >
> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
> Trashcan.
> >
> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this &
> I am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get
> something beautiful started!
>
> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>
> Share some code ;)
>
> Rick
>
> >
> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators 
> will
> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely 
> boring/unresponsive
> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
> >
> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am
> using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
> user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
> OS X!
> >
> > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
> through this kind of interface...
> >
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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Rick Waldron]

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:

> I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a practical 
> way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit harsh and I was 
> already annoyed. 
> 


I wasn't being negative, I was identifying exactly what it would take to 
interest me. As an engineer, I want to know how things work... I guess I 
wrongly assumed that this list was for engineers that liked to make things or 
learn how things work. That's why I said "speaking for most", thanks for 
correcting me there, I won't make the mistake again.


Rick
 
> I have never found negative comments to be helpful, I also don't assume that 
> I can see the direction that something will take. What I know is that it is 
> good for people to be creative whatever that form takes. He is putting is 
> ideas out there which is more then most people will ever do. I applaud any 
> effort by a person putting out their own ideas out there for everyone to see 
> and I hope he continues to do it and he gets to where he's going, I hope 
> someday he makes millions from it. I would applaud again. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  (mailto:m...@hahnca.com)> wrote:
> > > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting 
> > 
> > That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.  
> > I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
> > 
> > To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start from 
> > somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been using 
> > computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and go.  I 
> > for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users nowadays grew 
> > up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least as familiar 
> > with as the desktop. 
> > 
> > Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.  Where 
> > can it go from here?
> > 
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  > (mailto:j...@zognet.com)> wrote:
> > > The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a familiar 
> > > metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel more at 
> > > home. This ia also to say that from this may come something interesting 
> > > after iteration(x) that is created.
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  > > (mailto:m...@hahnca.com)> wrote:
> > > > I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.  
> > > > Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a 
> > > > modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with 
> > > > responsive web pages to be a better experience.  
> > > > 
> > > > Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with 
> > > > gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop 
> > > > metaphor with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons 
> > > > into desktop windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron  > > > (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  > > > > (mailto:dkan...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My most recent work can be seen here: 
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working 
> > > > > > Trashcan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & 
> > > > > > I am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get 
> > > > > > something beautiful started!
> > > > > I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be 
> > > > > interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about 
> > > > > an API that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed 
> > > > > JavaScript API. 
> > > > > Share some code ;) 
> > > > > Rick 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience 
> > > > > > crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end 
> > > > > > administrators will have.  At the moment, the web is filled with 
> > > > > > absolutely boring/unresponsive front-ends.  So anyone who wants to 
> > > > > > work with me will really have a leg up in terms of offering the 
> > > > > > kind of user experience that will keep the back-enders on their 
> > > > > > toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of 
> > > > > > this will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front 
> > > > > > end.  I am using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome 
> > > > > > I can make the end user experience.  Once I can get this prototype 
> > > > > > working as well as possible, then I can start to think about how to 
> > > > > > make it even better than O

Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Gerald Klein]

Call it soap boxing what ever you like, but when you say "I think I speak
for most when I say" I have a problem, because you don't. Further the line
about show us some code was not what I was talking about, it was the lines
prior to that. "you've given us nothing to be interested in, aside from a
few YouTube videos and some hints about an API that, to be honest, looks
nothing like a well designed JavaScript API" Ah yes a positive
and necessary critique from someone with an obvious superior intelligence.
Personally I don't care what your creating robots with, this has to do
with respect. You know I have always been impressed with braggarts that use
accomplishment to justify rude behavior.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Rick Waldron wrote:

>
>  On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Gerald Klein wrote:
>
> @Rick please don't speak for most, speak for your self. If you have no
> interest then don't comment. Large ideas come from small ideas, I would
> hate to think that something I might say could have been short sighted may
> ruin the chances of something good happening coming out of someones effort.
> IMHO
>
>
> thanks --jerry
>
>
> Reel it in buddy, I was the first person to respond to the original post
> (shared some interesting, related research and information).
>
> Since then all I've read is long winded soapboxing, with claims that
> people don't take JavaScript seriously enough as a "high level" language
> and that no one is innovating quite like the author is... forgive me, but I
> expect substance to back claims like that. I've spent the last 7 months
> programming arduino robots with JavaScript and this past week Felix G
> demoed ARdrone control programs written in JS... None of that would matter
> if there were no code to show for it. So like I said, show me some code and
> I'll show you some interest.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
> >
> > My most recent work can be seen here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> >
> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
> Trashcan.
> >
> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am
> really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
> beautiful started!
>
> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>
> Share some code ;)
>
> Rick
>
> >
> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
> >
> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am
> using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
> user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
> OS X!
> >
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> through this kind of interface...
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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Rick Waldron]

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Gerald Klein wrote: 
> > @Rick please don't speak for most, speak for your self. If you have no 
> > interest then don't comment. Large ideas come from small ideas, I would 
> > hate to think that something I might say could have been short sighted may 
> > ruin the chances of something good happening coming out of someones effort. 
> > IMHO
> 
> thanks --jerry 

Reel it in buddy, I was the first person to respond to the original post 
(shared some interesting, related research and information). 

Since then all I've read is long winded soapboxing, with claims that people 
don't take JavaScript seriously enough as a "high level" language and that no 
one is innovating quite like the author is... forgive me, but I expect 
substance to back claims like that. I've spent the last 7 months programming 
arduino robots with JavaScript and this past week Felix G demoed ARdrone 
control programs written in JS... None of that would matter if there were no 
code to show for it. So like I said, show me some code and I'll show you some 
interest. 


Rick 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Rick Waldron  (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  > (mailto:dkan...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > >
> > > My most recent work can be seen here: 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> > >
> > > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working 
> > > Trashcan.
> > >
> > > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am 
> > > really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something 
> > > beautiful started!
> > I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be 
> > interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API 
> > that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API. 
> > Share some code ;) 
> > Rick 
> > >
> > > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience 
> > > crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators 
> > > will have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely 
> > > boring/unresponsive front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will 
> > > really have a leg up in terms of offering the kind of user experience 
> > > that will keep the back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == 
> > > "gamefully employed" ;)
> > >
> > > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this will 
> > > not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am 
> > > using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the 
> > > end user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as 
> > > possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than 
> > > OS X!
> > >
> > > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up 
> > > through this kind of interface...
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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Gerald Klein]

I myself only from the seventies and more into the eighties in a practical
way. Accept my apologies but the comment before you was a bit harsh and I
was already annoyed. I have never found negative comments to be helpful, I
also don't assume that I can see the direction that something will take.
What I know is that it is good for people to be creative whatever that form
takes. He is putting is ideas out there which is more then most people will
ever do. I applaud any effort by a person putting out their own ideas out
there for everyone to see and I hope he continues to do it and he gets to
where he's going, I hope someday he makes millions from it. I would applaud
again.



On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mark Hahn  wrote:

> > This is also to say that from this may come something interesting
>
> That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.
>  I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.
>
> To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start from
> somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been using
> computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and go.  I
> for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users nowadays grew
> up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least as familiar
> with as the desktop.
>
> Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.
>  Where can it go from here?
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:
>
>> The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
>> familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
>> more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
>> interesting after iteration(x) that is created.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>>
>>> I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.
>>>  Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a
>>> modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with responsive
>>> web pages to be a better experience.
>>>
>>> Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with
>>> gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop metaphor
>>> with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons into desktop
>>> windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>>>

 On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
 >
 > My most recent work can be seen here:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
 >
 > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
 Trashcan.
 >
 > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I
 am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
 beautiful started!

 I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
 interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
 that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.

 Share some code ;)

 Rick

 >
 > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
 crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
 have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
 front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
 in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
 back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
 >
 > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
 will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am
 using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
 user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
 possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
 OS X!
 >
 > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
 through this kind of interface...
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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Mark Hahn]

> This is also to say that from this may come something interesting

That would be great and I certainly don't want to dampen any enthusiasm.
 I'm just giving my opinion as a potential user.

To journey to a great new place, it would seem to be easier to start from
somewhere modern instead of something old and moldy.  I have been using
computers since the mid '60s and witnessed many metaphors come and go.  I
for one would be happy to get rid of the desktop.  Most users nowadays grew
up with the web, so it is a metaphor that they are at least as familiar
with as the desktop.

Maybe a glimpse into the future of the desktop could prove me wrong.  Where
can it go from here?

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Gerald Klein  wrote:

> The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
> familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
> more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
> interesting after iteration(x) that is created.
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:
>
>> I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.
>>  Why would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a
>> modern brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with responsive
>> web pages to be a better experience.
>>
>> Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with
>> gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop metaphor
>> with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons into desktop
>> windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > My most recent work can be seen here:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
>>> >
>>> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
>>> Trashcan.
>>> >
>>> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I
>>> am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
>>> beautiful started!
>>>
>>> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
>>> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
>>> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>>>
>>> Share some code ;)
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> >
>>> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
>>> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
>>> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
>>> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
>>> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
>>> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
>>> >
>>> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
>>> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am
>>> using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
>>> user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
>>> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
>>> OS X!
>>> >
>>> > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
>>> through this kind of interface...
>>> >
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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Gerald Klein]

The point I think he is making is that some derivative of a
familiar metaphor will help people grab on to the functionality or feel
more at home. This ia also to say that from this may come something
interesting after iteration(x) that is created.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mark Hahn  wrote:

> I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.  Why
> would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a modern
> brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with responsive web
> pages to be a better experience.
>
> Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with
> gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop metaphor
> with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons into desktop
> windows, they appear as web pages from web links.
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
>> >
>> > My most recent work can be seen here:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
>> >
>> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
>> Trashcan.
>> >
>> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I
>> am really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
>> beautiful started!
>>
>> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
>> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
>> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>>
>> Share some code ;)
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> >
>> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
>> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
>> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
>> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
>> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
>> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
>> >
>> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
>> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am
>> using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
>> user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
>> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
>> OS X!
>> >
>> > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
>> through this kind of interface...
>> >
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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Gerald Klein]

>
> @Rick please don't speak for most, speak for your self. If you have no
> interest then don't comment. Large ideas come from small ideas, I would
> hate to think that something I might say could have been short sighted may
> ruin the chances of something good happening coming out of someones effort.
> IMHO


thanks --jerry

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:

>
> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
> >
> > My most recent work can be seen here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> >
> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
> Trashcan.
> >
> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am
> really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
> beautiful started!
>
> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>
> Share some code ;)
>
> Rick
>
> >
> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
> >
> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am
> using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
> user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
> OS X!
> >
> > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
> through this kind of interface...
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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Mark Hahn]

I know that this is a popular thing to do, but I don't understand it.  Why
would you want to put a metaphor that dates from 30 years ago on a modern
brower?  I find the hyperlinked documents on the web with responsive web
pages to be a better experience.

Google is working hard to replace the old Microsoft functionality with
gmail and google docs, yet you don't find Google using a desktop metaphor
with folders and trash cans.  Apps don't spring up from icons into desktop
windows, they appear as web pages from web links.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Rick Waldron wrote:

>
> On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
> >
> > My most recent work can be seen here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
> >
> > I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
> Trashcan.
> >
> > I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am
> really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
> beautiful started!
>
> I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
> interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
> that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.
>
> Share some code ;)
>
> Rick
>
> >
> > My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
> crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
> have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
> front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
> in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
> back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
> >
> > By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this
> will not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am
> using OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end
> user experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as
> possible, then I can start to think about how to make it even better than
> OS X!
> >
> > I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
> through this kind of interface...
> >
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[nodejs] Re: How to for beginners

[Тимур Темириков]

Hi, Ismael. I would like you to visit this  http://www.nodebeginner.org/  
web - site.

воскресенье, 30 сентября 2012 г., 17:04:53 UTC+5 пользователь Ismael 
Gorissen написал:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'll start with Node.js and JavaScript and I'd like some links, name of 
> books to buy and read. I especially would like to understand the use of 
> callbacks and asynchronous functions.
>
> Thank you and sorry for my english :)
>

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[nodejs] How to for beginners

[Ismael Gorissen]

Hello,

I'll start with Node.js and JavaScript and I'd like some links, name of 
books to buy and read. I especially would like to understand the use of 
callbacks and asynchronous functions.

Thank you and sorry for my english :)

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Re: [nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Rick Waldron]

On Sep 30, 2012 10:35 AM, "Dennis Kane"  wrote:
>
> My most recent work can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0
>
> I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working
Trashcan.
>
> I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am
really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something
beautiful started!

I think I speak for most when I say: you've given us nothing to be
interested in, aside from a few YouTube videos and some hints about an API
that, to be honest, looks nothing like a well designed JavaScript API.

Share some code ;)

Rick

>
> My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience
crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will
have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive
front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up
in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the
back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)
>
> By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this will
not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am using
OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end user
experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as possible,
then I can start to think about how to make it even better than OS X!
>
> I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up
through this kind of interface...
>
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[nodejs] Re: "Evil OS X"... the perfect client to a node server!

[Dennis Kane]

My most recent work can be seen here: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTjmy7PbD0

I have added functionality to the bottom dock, including a working Trashcan.

I have still received precisely zero real interest in any of this & I am 
really eager to get together with programmers who want to get something 
beautiful started!

My theory is basically that the nature of the front-end experience 
crucially determines how much "excitement" the back-end administrators will 
have.  At the moment, the web is filled with absolutely boring/unresponsive 
front-ends.  So anyone who wants to work with me will really have a leg up 
in terms of offering the kind of user experience that will keep the 
back-enders on their toes ("on their toes" == "gamefully employed" ;)

By the way, I am well aware that any business that comes out of this will 
not want to offer an exact replica of OS X as their front end.  I am using 
OS X as the ultimate challenge to see how awesome I can make the end user 
experience.  Once I can get this prototype working as well as possible, 
then I can start to think about how to make it even better than OS X!

I am all ears in terms of what kinds of services can be offered up through 
this kind of interface...

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