Re: Blackberry Server question.

[Alex Stender]

The costs and complexities of running BES can be minimized if you use
middleware to connect your Blackberry's directly to Exchange. The app
I use is called NotifySync. Full PIM OTA, remote wipe etc. It just
works. Can't live without the thong anymore. Instead of reading magz
in the toilet I now read emails and the ntsysadmin mailing list. :-)

On 8/5/09, Eric Woodford  wrote:
> BES also equals:
>
>- 1 Windows server, plus SQL or MSDE to support. If BES 4 (not 5), also
>one more server running the Exchange admin tools.
>- higher utilization on your Exchange server, 1 BB = 2.5 users
>- headache of having one more service account with god-level rights to
>every mailbox in your environment.
>- support calls, when your C_O doesn't get responses to messages sent
>from his/her BB message at midnight on Sunday while they are on
> "vacation"
>in Mexico.
>
> Not any different support model, but if you only have 20 users and a
> functioning OWA server, you may look into BIS.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Martin Blackstone
> wrote:
>
>
>>  No it doesn’t, but it is important to understand the costs of having an
>> in-house (BES) system.
>>
>> You are going to have to buy the following
>>
>> Blackberry Enterprise Server
>>
>> User CAL’s
>>
>> T-Support (unless you want to fly with no support).
>>
>>
>>
>> Now this of course isn’t including the cost of a server and a Windows
>> server license. I run mine in a VM but used to run it on a desktop class
>> PC.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carriers charge for a BB Enterprise wireless plan as well and that’s
>> needed
>> to use BES. That’s probably where that $20 charge is coming from. I don’t
>> think I have seen a carrier yet who doesn’t charge for the enterprise fee.
>>
>>
>>
>> If this is all cost prohibitive, you should change course to Windows
>> Mobile
>> for sure.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@all-mode.com] *Sent:* Wednesday,
>> August 05, 2009 2:32 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Blackberry Server question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our sales guys are getting new Nextel Blackberry's. I want to look into
>> setting up our own Blackberry server. Nextel is telling us that it will
>> cost
>> $20/month per phone to use the phones with an in-house Blackberry server.
>> Is
>> this what you are paying also? Doesn't this make it cost prohibitive to
>> have
>> an in-house Blackberry server?
>>
>> Todd Lemmiksoo Network Administrator
>>
>> All-Mode Communications, Inc. 1725 Dryden Road
>> Freeville, New York  13068
>> (607) 347-4164 x440
>> 1-877-ALLMODE  (toll free)
>> http://www.all-mode.com
>>
>>
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>
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> ~   ~

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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Ames Matthew B]

I have to agree, certainly the best money I have spent Probably ever!

In theory I get unlimited "corrective" surgery too, but there is only so much 
they can laser out of your eye.  The only downside id when the painkillers wear 
off in the middle of the night, and maybe the realisation of what it is your 
smelling during the actual op.  Still all that said if I needed it I could go 
back more.

I do sometimes get little a funny matrix/grid affect when looking at things at 
short range when the light is not very good - say when trying to make up a 
patch cable in my loft - that is kinda weird.  Real benefit is being able to 
wear sunglasses in the summer, cycling glasses when I am out on my bike, not 
faffing about with glasses when putting on a motorcycle helmet, and not having 
your glasses mist up in the rain/get wet, etc and just being able to see when 
you get up in the morning (and not forgetting to have to take contacts your out 
when you go to bed after a beer t many).

-Original Message-
From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: 05 August 2009 19:29
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

Best Money I've spent it a long time.  It's weird, I only get a little halo off 
of yellow street signs. 

-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

That's awesome.. most folks I've talked to have at least a little halation

> -Original Message-
> From: Ames Matthew B [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:31 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> I had the same op in the UK about 3 years ago Was expensive but 
> certainly the best "investment" of my money.  I had to stop wearing 
> contacts due to scaring on the inside of my eye lids, so was back to 
> glasses which was a pain.  Fortunately I don't suffer from the halo 
> affect at all, although it was suggested I might.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: 05 August 2009 17:37
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> Yeah, it's great.
> 
> I still have some slight halo effect for high contrast scenes (i.e.
> lights at nite time), but the tradeoff is well worth it.
> 
> Not having to futz with glasses... not having the "tired eyes" after 
> the contacts had been in my head for 12+ hours, etc...
> 
> -sc
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:33 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> >
> > I got lasik done when I was 41. That was, uh, some number of years
> ago.
> >
> > I was seeing at distance - blurred a bit by the drops and the 
> > protective plastic lenses - on my way home. No, I didn't drive, but 
> > being able to see the road signs on the way home added to the 
> > blurriness, if you catch my meaning. It's something I hadn't been
> able
> > to do since the 5th grade.
> >
> > Yes, that was a long time ago, and as a relatively early adopter, it 
> > cost a lot of money. I've never regretted it, despite the fact that 
> > I needed reading glasses immediately thereafter.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Steven M. 
> > Caesare
> > wrote:
> > > Old enuff to know better, yet still manage to be an idiot most of 
> > > the
> > time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ve needed corrective lenses since 7th grade. Glasses for several
> > years,
> > > then contacts. I had Lasik a year ago[1]. I need about +2.5
> diopters
> > of
> > > correction in each eye.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Lasik rocks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:17 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, how old are you?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I prefer to shrink the scale on most docs and have _TWO_ side by 
> > > side
> > pages.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, actually, thas a lie.m almost always bouncing between
> > multiple
> > > windows, so when m editing I actually have a full height doc (@
> > 80%)on the
> > > right and then room on the left to get at other things (CMD
> windows,
> > emails,
> > > e)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > With a decent resolution monitor, and ClearType enabled, there are
> > very few
> > > cases where I find I need to use the Office Apps or a browser at 
> > > 100%
> > scale.
> > > I find 75-80% works well, and I can usually get a full page in
> there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ditto for CMD window. I permanently crank the font down to a ~9
> > point(as
> > > we

Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
> Indeed. Too bad they never thrived after transitioning
> to the x86 world, as they obviously had some amazing
> coding talent.

  Yah.  That.  A lot of that.

> -virtual memory of sorts

  Oh, yah, I forgot about that.  PC/GEOS had memory swapping, too.
Not true "virtual memory", since that would require an MMU, and the
8086 didn't have one of those.

  No memory protection, for the same reason.  Their code crashed less
often than MS Windows does *with* an MMU, though.  :)  But I did have
things blow up on me on rare occasions.  The state restore came in
*real* handy then.

> -bank memory switching (unmapping the native c64 ROM to expose 16K additional 
> RAM)

  That kind of thing was less important on the PC, of course.  You had
a whopping 640 KB there.  ;-)

  PC/GEOS might have supported EMS and/or XMS, though.  I can't remember.

> -a pseudo pre-emptive OS (no multiple apps, but the OS could preempt the app)

  Yah, I don't know how they did preemption on the 8088, since there
was no hardware support for "real" processor tasks.  I assume
something driven off the timer interrupt.

> -programming environment w/ interactive resident debugger

  That didn't come with the "regular" GeoWorks product.  I suppose
their must have been an SDK of some kind somewhere.

> -office apps including word processor(with mail merge from the database), 
> spreadsheet(with charting), database, and page layout

  Sounds similar.  The PC flavor came with GeoWrite (word
processor/basic page layout), GeoCalc (spreadsheet), GeoDraw (vector
graphics), GeoFile (database), and GeoComm (modem/terminal).  And AOL.

> And a bunch of other stuff. All in 64K, which
> meant the kernel had to be _REALLY_ compact.

  Yah, that's way more impressive than even 640 KB.  64 KB is *tiny*.

> http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/onrequest/geos.html

  Neat.  It's amazing they did all that on a C64!  Heh, it even
supported Klingon! :-D

  Hey, I found a page on PC/GEOS:

http://www.geocities.com/originalravinray/geos/history_contents.html

  That backs up my claim that the AOL GUI was originally done by
including the PC/GEOS core with AOL.  It also mentions an early beta
which included UI drivers (we'd call them "themes" today) for Motif,
OpenLook, DeskMate, and IBM CUA.

  And, holy crap, there appears to be a company still maintaining and
selling PC/GEOS!

http://www.breadbox.com/

  It doesn't look like the apps have changed much.  I'm tempted to
download the trial just to check it out.  It was pretty fast even on
my 8088; I can't imagine it would be slow in a VM on my Core 2 Duo.
:-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

Indeed. Too bad they never thrived after transitioning to the x86 world, as 
they obviously had some amazing coding talent.

That's very cool regarding what it could on the PC.

On the 64KB/1Mhz C64 (with only a 170KB 5.25" floppy), it implemented:

- A GUI with
-proportional fonts
-WYSIWIG support
-a variety of dot matrix printer support
-color bitmap support
-native compressed graphics support (a RLE encoding implementation)
-full menuing support
-Icon/desktop/file mgr metaphor
-virtual memory of sorts
-bank memory switching (unmapping the native c64 ROM to expose 16K additional 
RAM)
-mouse support
-cut/copy/paste
-spell checker/dictionary
-custom font support
-a pseudo pre-emptive OS (no multiple apps, but the OS could preempt the app)
-a database with variable length record support
-programming environment w/ interactive resident debugger 
-eventual bank-switched memory beyond 64K (up to 512KB)
-office apps including word processor(with mail merge from the database), 
spreadsheet(with charting), database, and page layout

And a bunch of other stuff. All in 64K, which meant the kernel had to be 
_REALLY_ compact.

Lots of cool memory lane paths for walking here: 
http://lyonlabs.org/commodore/onrequest/geos.html

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
>  I think it was called "PC Link", but I might be getting that
> confused with something else.
>
>  PC/GEOS, AKA GeoWorks Ensemble!

  I didn't read ahead in the thread to look at other answers before
making mine.  So more commentary:

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
> Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

  D'oh!  That's right, PC/GEOS was "PC/" because it came first for the
Commodore!

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
> http://www.dsgames.net/qlink/q-link/qlink-history.htm

  Ah, yes.  PC-Link and Quantum Link were the same company, different service.

  I had the PC-Link app in the DeskMate software on my Tandy, too.
Tried the free trial.  Didn't buy.

  Never bothered trying AOL in PC/GEOS.  By then I had discovered local BBSes.

> Not sure they ever had a Geos version.. but Geos itself was amazing for what
> it did on that platform.

  I dunno if CVC/Q-Link/AOL/etc ever a GUI for Commodore GEOS, but
they definitely did for PC/GEOS.  I seem to recall that was their
*original* GUI for the PC, before MS Windows.  There may even have
been AOL diskettes shipped with the PC/GEOS base environment for that
purpose.

  Commodore GEOS was indeed amazing for what it could do with just a
floppy diskette and 64 KB RAM.

  PC/GEOS was way cool, too.  Some of the things it did:

* Ran on top of MS-DOS
* WIMP GUI
* Preemptive multitasking
* Multithreaded applications
* Long file names (without extensions to 8.3 FAT)
* File type associations
* 256 color VGA support
* A "Start Menu"-like menu in every window (next to the control menu)
* WYSIWYG applications
* Common device drivers (printer and video)

  It had a state preservation mechanism, such that if you shutdown
PC/GEOS, any open applications would restore on restart.  Kind of like
modern hibernation/suspend-to-disk, except it was much faster, and it
didn't need to be explicitly invoked.  If would recover to within a
minute or so even for power failures, OS crashes, etc.

  The GUI was modular.  They also had a GEOS for some handheld that
floppy.  If one recompiled their app for the handheld GEOS, then the
same app would appear with a handheld-style GUI instead of the WIMP
GUI on the PC.  No source code changes required.  (Unlike, say,
WinCE.)

  All that, on my Tandy, with 640 KB RAM, an 8 MHz 8088, and a 40 MB hard disk.

  The core of PC/GEOS was less than < 1 MB.  I once got the GUI to
start from floppy disk.  It took like 10 minutes, and had no apps, but
it got to the desktop.

  GeoWrite had an elegance which MS Word has never yet achieved.  It
only did a small part of what Word does today, but GeoWrite did the
"80% that most people need" better than anything else I've used.

  Ah, those were the days!  ;-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Windows Defender

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:
> Pardon me for my tin-foil hat, but I don't really trust M$ to defend its own 
> OS
> completely.  I want to be able to have someone else defending it, someone 
> whose
> vested interest is NOT in defending the *_reputation_* of the OS.

  I have similar feelings, but it's not quite as driven by mistrust of
Microsoft's intentions.  I just see Microsoft as "too close to the
problem".  Attackers are going after Microsoft.  They'll try to
exploit mistakes Microsoft makes.  I'd rather have someone else in
front of Microsoft.  They're less likely to make the same mistakes.
They'll make mistakes, sure, but Microsoft's mistakes are likely to be
different from theirs, too.

  Ever notice how hard it is to spot spelling/grammar errors in your
own writing, but they leap out at you in other people's writing?  Same
principle.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: AOL

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 5 Aug 2009 at 22:49, Sean Houston  wrote:

> I remember Compuserve, Prodigy and AOL being the main 3 companies around. I
> can't say I was ever aware they were ever known as anything but AOHell. 

Fidonet all the way, baby  I ran a BBS for many years.  I think I still 
have the 386 it was running on when I finally shut it down.  WildCat BBS from 
Mustang Software.  Those were the days.

CIS 75500,3223, that was me.  However, 16 of the 17 hits of a Google search for 
my old ID are messages on this list from 2008 ;-)

http://www.google.com/search?q="75500%2C3223";

I remember being excited when I had a "real" email address of 
75500.3...@compuserve.com ... I had some really neat software for reading 
forums -- OzCIS -- and eventually OzCIS for Windows, which never really 
measured up to the DOS program.

Never had a Prodigy address.  I got an AOL address -- a couple of them, 
actually -- this year so I could support home-clients with AOL issues, and for 
IM purposes.  Never use them, though.



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
~!



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

Ah cool. I never had a VIC2 started on a Timex Sinclair ZX-81 (Z-80  CPU) 
and then went to the C64.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

6502 in the VIC 20, and the 6510 in the C=64  *is* the "later series" I 
mentioned

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Good man! (although wasn�t it technically the 6510?)

 

I bought the GeoAssembler package (and later the HitchHikers guide to GEOS, 
which gave me my first look at the internals of an event-driven OS)

 

Good times.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

cut my home computing teeth on a C= VIC 20 and later the C=64 , learned machine 
language on the 6502 and a later series cpu chips

 


Erik Goldoff


��� Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Ding Ding Ding!

 

We have a WINNAH!

 

-sc

 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

 

it was Quantum Link !


Erik Goldoff

  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TVKs lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

Sweet!

 

I eventually got their (Berkley Softworks) 512KB RAM pack, which was used only 
by GEOS.

 

Had an Okidata OkiMate 10 color printer and 800KB 3.5" disk drive too.. woot!

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

well, maybe the first AOL gui then ... I don't think they started with Windows 
3.0 ...

And yep, I had GEOS on my C=64, used the GeoPaint for making graphic diagrams 
of our dial backup system at the bank, the GeoWrite for the documentation .. 
ended up using GeoWrite in 1987 to create the directory and guide  for my high 
school's 10th reunion using their fancy fonts 

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

No... it was almost all "textual graphics" using the character mode of the C64, 
although there were a some areas with bitmap games and stuff too.

 

Check out the "pictures" section at 
http://www.dsgames.net/qlink/q-link/qlink-history.htm

 

Not sure they ever had a Geos version.. but Geos itself was amazing for what it 
did on that platform.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

wasn't the initial C=64 and C=128 gui version running GeoWorks ?

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Yup... I still remember seeing the letter from Steve Case himself announcing 
they were terminating the original Commodore-only service after it was 
re-branded America Online and rolled out for PC and other platforms.

 

-sc

 

From: Sean Houston [mailto:seanthous...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

I remember Compuserve, Prodigy and AOL being the main 3 companies around.  I 
can't say I was ever aware they were ever known as anything but AOHell.  

 

-Sean

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TVKÿÿ(tm)s lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:16 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL 

 

I thought they orgianally supported Commodore 64 based machines. Loaded the 
software and got a graphical environment. They owned Compuserve, at one time. 
And If I remember right, Compuserve was owned by H&R Block.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

[assert NO_GOOLING_ALLOWED]


Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
that eventually became AOL?

Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL

 I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
something really bad happened: I got AOL.

 (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

I never used the PC version...

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare
wrote:
> Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
> that eventually became AOL?

  I think it was called "PC Link", but I might be getting that
confused with something else.

> Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.

  PC/GEOS, AKA GeoWorks Ensemble!

  I actually had the AOL icon show up in Ensemble 2.0, way back when
on my Tandy 1000 SL.  E.  I felt like I had stepped in something
icky.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Windows Defender

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:01, James Hill  wrote:

> Haven't seen Defender do anything but I'm impressed with Microsoft Security
> Essentials.  Even in beta form I've seen it stop things that Avast missed.
> 
> This is only based on experience with it on my home pc though.

Pardon me for my tin-foil hat, but I don't really trust M$ to defend its own OS 
completely.  I want to be able to have someone else defending it, someone whose 
vested interest is NOT in defending the *_reputation_* of the OS.  I really 
doubt that the free MSE will allow me the granular control that I have with 
VIPRE, or with McAfee (corporate version). 

I have the same lack-of-complete-control issues with most of the free AVs, BTW, 
but at least they are not concerned with protecting Microsoft's reputation.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
+---+




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
>  I think it was called "PC Link", but I might be getting that
> confused with something else.
>
>  PC/GEOS, AKA GeoWorks Ensemble!

  I didn't read ahead in the thread to look at other answers before
making mine.  So more commentary:

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
> Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

  D'oh!  That's right, PC/GEOS was "PC/" because it came first for the
Commodore!

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
> http://www.dsgames.net/qlink/q-link/qlink-history.htm

  Ah, yes.  PC-Link and Quantum Link were the same company, different service.

  I had the PC-Link app in the DeskMate software on my Tandy, too.
Tried the free trial.  Didn't buy.

  Never bothered trying AOL in PC/GEOS.  By then I had discovered local BBSes.

> Not sure they ever had a Geos version.. but Geos itself was amazing for what
> it did on that platform.

  I dunno if CVC/Q-Link/AOL/etc ever a GUI for Commodore GEOS, but
they definitely did for PC/GEOS.  I seem to recall that was their
*original* GUI for the PC, before MS Windows.  There may even have
been AOL diskettes shipped with the PC/GEOS base environment for that
purpose.

  Commodore GEOS was indeed amazing for what it could do with just a
floppy diskette and 64 KB RAM.

  PC/GEOS was way cool, too.  Some of the things it did:

* Ran on top of MS-DOS
* WIMP GUI
* Preemptive multitasking
* Multithreaded applications
* Long file names (without extensions to 8.3 FAT)
* File type associations
* 256 color VGA support
* A "Start Menu"-like menu in every window (next to the control menu)
* WYSIWYG applications
* Common device drivers (printer and video)

  It had a state preservation mechanism, such that if you shutdown
PC/GEOS, any open applications would restore on restart.  Kind of like
modern hibernation/suspend-to-disk, except it was much faster, and it
didn't need to be explicitly invoked.  If would recover to within a
minute or so even for power failures, OS crashes, etc.

  The GUI was modular.  They also had a GEOS for some handheld that
floppy.  If one recompiled their app for the handheld GEOS, then the
same app would appear with a handheld-style GUI instead of the WIMP
GUI on the PC.  No source code changes required.  (Unlike, say,
WinCE.)

  All that, on my Tandy, with 640 KB RAM, an 8 MHz 8088, and a 40 MB hard disk.

  The core of PC/GEOS was less than < 1 MB.  I once got the GUI to
start from floppy disk.  It took like 10 minutes, and had no apps, but
it got to the desktop.

  GeoWrite had an elegance which MS Word has never yet achieved.  It
only did a small part of what Word does today, but GeoWrite did the
"80% that most people need" better than anything else I've used.

  Ah, those were the days!  ;-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Erik Goldoff]

6502 in the VIC 20, and the 6510 in the C=64  *is* the "later series" I 
mentioned
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL



Good man! (although wasn���t it technically the 6510?)

 

I bought the GeoAssembler package (and later the HitchHikers guide to GEOS, 
which gave me my first look at the internals of an event-driven OS)

 

Good times.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

cut my home computing teeth on a C= VIC 20 and later the C=64 , learned machine 
language on the 6502 and a later series cpu chips

 


Erik Goldoff


I��� Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

  _  

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Ding Ding Ding!

 

We have a WINNAH!

 

-sc

 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

 

it was Quantum Link !


Erik Goldoff


��  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

  _  

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TVKs lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Erik Goldoff]

well, maybe the first AOL gui then ... I don't think they started with
Windows 3.0 ...
And yep, I had GEOS on my C=64, used the GeoPaint for making graphic
diagrams of our dial backup system at the bank, the GeoWrite for the
documentation .. ended up using GeoWrite in 1987 to create the directory and
guide  for my high school's 10th reunion using their fancy fonts 
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL



No… it was almost all “textual graphics” using the character mode of the
C64, although there were a some areas with bitmap games and stuff too.

 

Check out the “pictures” section at
http://www.dsgames.net/qlink/q-link/qlink-history.htm

 

Not sure they ever had a Geos version.. but Geos itself was amazing for what
it did on that platform.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

wasn't the initial C=64 and C=128 gui version running GeoWorks ?

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

  _  

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Yup… I still remember seeing the letter from Steve Case himself announcing
they were terminating the original Commodore-only service after it was
re-branded America Online and rolled out for PC and other platforms.

 

-sc

 

From: Sean Houston [mailto:seanthous...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

I remember Compuserve, Prodigy and AOL being the main 3 companies around.  I
can't say I was ever aware they were ever known as anything but AOHell.  

 

-Sean

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get
to sit on TVKÿÿ™s lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:16 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL 

 

I thought they orgianally supported Commodore 64 based machines. Loaded the
software and got a graphical environment. They owned Compuserve, at one
time. And If I remember right, Compuserve was owned by H&R Block.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

[assert NO_GOOLING_ALLOWED]


Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
that eventually became AOL?

Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL

 I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
something really bad happened: I got AOL.

 (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
> Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
> that eventually became AOL?

  I think it was called "PC Link", but I might be getting that
confused with something else.

> Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.

  PC/GEOS, AKA GeoWorks Ensemble!

  I actually had the AOL icon show up in Ensemble 2.0, way back when
on my Tandy 1000 SL.  E.  I felt like I had stepped in something
icky.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

Actually it wasGeoProgramm� which came with Assembler, Linker, e�

 

-sc

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

Good man! (although wasnt it technically the 6510?)

 

I bought the GeoAssembler package (and later the HitchHikers guide to GEOS, 
which gave me my first look at the internals of an event-driven OS)

 

Good times.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

cut my home computing teeth on a C= VIC 20 and later the C=64 , learned machine 
language on the 6502 and a later series cpu chips

 


Erik Goldoff


I Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Ding Ding Ding!

 

We have a WINNAH!

 

-sc

 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

 

it was Quantum Link !


Erik Goldoff


  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TVKs lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Encrypt E-mail between two different domains...for free?

[Ken Schaefer]

PKI is about mutual trust. If the remote server trusts your CA, then it'll 
accept the certificate your server presents as part of the STARTTLS command. 
Likewise, your server needs to trust whatever CA issued the certificate that 
the remote server presents to your server if it initiates the TLS connection. 
As Brian says - you can use self-signed certificates if you want - they just 
need to be trusted at the other end.

Cheers
Ken

From: Marty Nelson [mailto:mnel...@transdyn.com]
Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 12:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Encrypt E-mail between two different domains...for free?

Can I be the issuing CA, or does it need to be a public one i.e. VeriSign?

-Marty

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Encrypt E-mail between two different domains...for free?

If the remote server supports TLS, and (with everything PKI) both servers trust 
the same issuing CA(s), then you have ability to encrypt transmission.

Cheers
Ken

From: Marty Nelson [mailto:mnel...@transdyn.com]
Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 12:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Encrypt E-mail between two different domains...for free?

I've been tasked to see if it's feasible, and from what I've read, Exchange 
2007 (which we have) will support it natively with other 07 servers, which from 
what I understand they do not have.  From what I've also read, as long as their 
server supports TLS it's do-able.

Any suggestions would be so helpful you can't even imagine!

-Marty














~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

Good man! (although wasn���t it technically the 6510?)

 

I bought the GeoAssembler package (and later the HitchHikers guide to GEOS, 
which gave me my first look at the internals of an event-driven OS)

 

Good times.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

cut my home computing teeth on a C= VIC 20 and later the C=64 , learned machine 
language on the 6502 and a later series cpu chips

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Ding Ding Ding!

 

We have a WINNAH!

 

-sc

 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

 

it was Quantum Link !


Erik Goldoff


���  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TVKs lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Steven M. Caesare]

Apparently so.

I attached the test to an earlier reply to your message here as well,
and it was also swallowed.

Odd. Very odd.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

Maybe you hit your quota?

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Steven M. Caesare
wrote:
> OK.. I've replied to this twice now, and have not seen it hit the list
> either time.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Erik Goldoff]

cut my home computing teeth on a C= VIC 20 and later the C=64 , learned machine 
language on the 6502 and a later series cpu chips
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL



Ding Ding Ding!

 

We have a WINNAH!

 

-sc

 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

 

it was Quantum Link !


Erik Goldoff


��  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

  _  

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TVKs lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

 

 


 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

No... it was almost all "textual graphics" using the character mode of the C64, 
although there were a some areas with bitmap games and stuff too.

 

Check out the "pictures" section at 
http://www.dsgames.net/qlink/q-link/qlink-history.htm

 

Not sure they ever had a Geos version.. but Geos itself was amazing for what it 
did on that platform.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

wasn't the initial C=64 and C=128 gui version running GeoWorks ?

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Yup... I still remember seeing the letter from Steve Case himself announcing 
they were terminating the original Commodore-only service after it was 
re-branded America Online and rolled out for PC and other platforms.

 

-sc

 

From: Sean Houston [mailto:seanthous...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

I remember Compuserve, Prodigy and AOL being the main 3 companies around.  I 
can't say I was ever aware they were ever known as anything but AOHell.  

 

-Sean

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TVKÿÿ(tm)s lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:16 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL 

 

I thought they orgianally supported Commodore 64 based machines. Loaded the 
software and got a graphical environment. They owned Compuserve, at one time. 
And If I remember right, Compuserve was owned by H&R Block.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

[assert NO_GOOLING_ALLOWED]


Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
that eventually became AOL?

Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL

 I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
something really bad happened: I got AOL.

 (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

Ding Ding Ding!

 

We have a WINNAH!

 

-sc

 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

 

it was Quantum Link !


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TV��s lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Erik Goldoff]

wasn't the initial C=64 and C=128 gui version running GeoWorks ?
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL



Yup… I still remember seeing the letter from Steve Case himself announcing
they were terminating the original Commodore-only service after it was
re-branded America Online and rolled out for PC and other platforms.

 

-sc

 

From: Sean Houston [mailto:seanthous...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

I remember Compuserve, Prodigy and AOL being the main 3 companies around.  I
can't say I was ever aware they were ever known as anything but AOHell.  

 

-Sean

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get
to sit on TVKÿÿ™s lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:16 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL 

 

I thought they orgianally supported Commodore 64 based machines. Loaded the
software and got a graphical environment. They owned Compuserve, at one
time. And If I remember right, Compuserve was owned by H&R Block.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

[assert NO_GOOLING_ALLOWED]


Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
that eventually became AOL?

Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL

 I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
something really bad happened: I got AOL.

 (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Erik Goldoff]

 
it was Quantum Link !

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 


  _  

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL



Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TVK���s lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

Yup... I still remember seeing the letter from Steve Case himself announcing 
they were terminating the original Commodore-only service after it was 
re-branded America Online and rolled out for PC and other platforms.

 

-sc

 

From: Sean Houston [mailto:seanthous...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

I remember Compuserve, Prodigy and AOL being the main 3 companies around.  I 
can't say I was ever aware they were ever known as anything but AOHell.  

 

-Sean

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TVKÿÿ(tm)s lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:16 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL 

 

I thought they orgianally supported Commodore 64 based machines. Loaded the 
software and got a graphical environment. They owned Compuserve, at one time. 
And If I remember right, Compuserve was owned by H&R Block.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

[assert NO_GOOLING_ALLOWED]


Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
that eventually became AOL?

Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL

 I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
something really bad happened: I got AOL.

 (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Sean Houston]

I remember Compuserve, Prodigy and AOL being the main 3 companies around.  I
can't say I was ever aware they were ever known as anything but AOHell.

-Sean

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

>  Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).
>
>
>
> No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However
> Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get
> to sit on TVKÿÿ™s lap)
>
>
>
> I still need the name of the service.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:16 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT][Humor] AOL
>
>
>
> I thought they orgianally supported Commodore 64 based machines. Loaded the
> software and got a graphical environment. They owned Compuserve, at one
> time. And If I remember right, Compuserve was owned by H&R Block.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>
> [assert NO_GOOLING_ALLOWED]
>
>
> Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
> that eventually became AOL?
>
> Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.
>
> -sc
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:28 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL
>
>  I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
> get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
> something really bad happened: I got AOL.
>
>  (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply

[Ken Schaefer]

Hi,

OU design caters for many things (delegation of administration is one, and 
management of GPO complexity is another). You generally want to limit the 
number of GPOs that need to be processed during logon, so an OU structure that 
logically groups users and computers into those that have common GPOs applying 
is generally a design goal (and it's in the Microsoft GPO design advice on 
TechNet as well). That said, I would rarely create a new OU for no other reason 
than to apply a single GPO to them...

Cheers
Ken

From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 2:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply

It seems I have noticed lately on the list, people using OU's for assigning 
group policies to people or groups of people which are not used to delegate 
special rights over that OU. It's my understanding that this is what OU's were 
meant for, even though this method would also work.

If I were to do this, I would create a policy, and assign the user (or user 
group if applicable) to the security filtering box in that policy. It seems 
cleaner and with less steps this way.

So my questions is, why would one choose the OU method over the Security Filter 
method for situations like this where simple policy settings are to be applied 
to a single or small group of users?

--
Mike Gill

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Group Policy Doesn't apply

Win2k3 DC, WinXpProsp3 client
Created the No Internet Policy on the DC to put in 127.0.0.1 for the proxy 
addresses.
Created an OU on the DC for No Internet
Applied the policy to the OU.
Moved user to the OU.
User still gets to the Internet even after a GPUPDATE /Force and reboot.
RSOP says two policies exist
No Internet (Higher)
Domain Default
GPResults show No Internet Not applying but nothing in the events (that I can 
see) on the client or the DC???
What gives???









~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Richard Stovall]

Maybe you hit your quota?

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
> OK.. I’ve replied to this twice now, and have not seen it hit the list
> either time.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

Correct on the bonus questions (It was a C64 and C128 service).

 

No affiliation with Compuserve, however, so you lose your bonus. (However 
Compuserve and H&R Block were affiliated, so as a consolation prize you get to 
sit on TVs lap)

 

I still need the name of the service.

 

-sc

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

 

I thought they orgianally supported Commodore 64 based machines. Loaded the 
software and got a graphical environment. They owned Compuserve, at one time. 
And If I remember right, Compuserve was owned by H&R Block.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

[assert NO_GOOLING_ALLOWED]


Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
that eventually became AOL?

Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL

 I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
something really bad happened: I got AOL.

 (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Daniel Rodriguez]

I thought they orgianally supported Commodore 64 based machines. Loaded the
software and got a graphical environment. They owned Compuserve, at one
time. And If I remember right, Compuserve was owned by H&R Block.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> [assert NO_GOOLING_ALLOWED]
>
>
> Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
> that eventually became AOL?
>
> Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:28 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL
>
>  I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
> get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
> something really bad happened: I got AOL.
>
>  (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Steven M. Caesare]

OK.. I've replied to this twice now, and have not seen it hit the list
either time.

 

Other replies to other subjects have.

 

Anybody else?

 

-sc

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

 

Sure, why not.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

As long as you don't have high intraocular pressure (i.e. lead up to
glaucoma), you are probably good.

 

As for the procedure, you want the straight dope of what it's like?

 

-sc

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:03 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

 

Yup, I'm probably a good candidate, eyesight for distance hasn't changed
in several years and I only have a slight astigmatism.  It's nice to
hear from others that have had it done.  I'm only considering it now
because I'm starting to need reading glasses some, and I don't want
bifocals.  I've never had any kind of surgery, so the thought of
something being pointed at my eyes and I am going to be semi aware of
what is going on really freaks me out.  I'm a wimp, I can't watch when I
give blood or have to have blood drawn for a blood test, I have to look
the other direction.  

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

Let us know what they say... if you are a good candidate, I think you'll
love it. ALtho it won't help with the color issues..

 

-sc

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:35 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

 

I think I officially became an old fart a couple of weeks ago when I
finally installed Office 2007.  The font color in most of the office
applications is way to light for me to seeit's rather annoying and a
co-worker who is the same age as I am did the same thing and he's
complaining about the same thing, so I don't think it's just me.  Why is
the font color and size setup like that Microsoft?  And now with this
new monitor it's even worse...



I've got an appt. next week for a preliminary exam for lasik eye
surgery..

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:06 AM,  wrote:


tony patton  wrote on 08/05/2009
10:12:04 AM:



> I'can see the photo :-( 
> 
> It's either Domino, Notes or the mail scanner :-( 


I'm a victim of Loathsome Notes, too, and I saw it. In fact, I was
wondering how his neck didn't hurt, since he'd have to tilt his head
back so often, to see the top monitors ... or I would, but then, I wear
bifocals, having officially become an Old Fart in the last couple years
... 


> 
> Regards
> 
> Tony Patton
> Desktop Operations Cavan
> Ext 8078
> Direct Dial 049 435 2878
> email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com 
> 

> 

> James Rankin  

 

> 05/08/2009 15:04 
> 


> Please respond to

 

> "NT System Admin Issues" 

> 
> To 
> 

> "NT System Admin Issues"  


> 
> cc 
> 
> Subject 

> 
> Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09 

> 
> 
> 
> 

> Pffft. Try my new 6 24" monitors. I am considering an upgrade to 8...


> 
> 
> 
> 2009/8/5 Sherry Abercrombie  
> It wasn't give up 2 19's it was give up 1 of the 19's.  I now have a
> 19" and a 23" monitor.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:21 AM, James Kerr 
wrote: 
> I would not be willing to give up my two 19s for a 23. For a 27 yes. 

> - Original Message - 
> From: Steven M. Caesare 

> To: NT System Admin Issues 

> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:09 AM 
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09 

 

> Correct answer: "Well, I might be willing to give it up for TWO 23
inchers..." 
>   
> -sc 
>   

> From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:04 AM 

> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues 


> Subject: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09 

>   
> So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the 
> HelpDesk/Desktop lead comes to my cube and asks this question:  
> "Would you be willing to give up one of your 19" monitors for a new 
> 23" monitor?"Well DUH.
> 
> So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.
> 
> -- 
> Sherry Abercrombie
> 
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic." 
> Arthur C. Clarke 
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   


> 
> 
> 
> -- 

> Sherry Abercrombie
> 
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic." 
> Arthur C. Clarke 


>   
>   
> 
> 
> 

> -- 

> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put
> into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I 
> am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that
> could provoke such a question."
> 
> http://raythestray.blogspot.com 


>   
>   

> 
> http://www.quinn-insurance.com
> 
> This e-mail is intended only for the a

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

(er... "googling")

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[assert NO_GOOLING_ALLOWED]


Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
that eventually became AOL?

Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL

  I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
something really bad happened: I got AOL.

  (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Steven M. Caesare]

[assert NO_GOOLING_ALLOWED]


Trivia Question: What was the _PRIOR_ service offered by the company
that eventually became AOL?

Bonus points for naming the supported platforms.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL

  I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
something really bad happened: I got AOL.

  (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Steven M. Caesare]

Dude. That's 1337.

 

Now back to my parent's basement...

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

 

yep, I saw that after I posted  you are s 3l33t !

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

I am so ahead of you.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

 

tell him/her I'll be glad to trade my $5 bill for a $10 anytime, to help
out.  I'm just that kind of guy ! 

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the
HelpDesk/Desktop lead comes to my cube and asks this question:  "Would
you be willing to give up one of your 19" monitors for a new 23"
monitor?"Well DUH.

So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.

-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C. Clarke

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: Symantec Rant

[Richard Stovall]

Thanks for the über quick reply.

I hear your frustrations loud and clear and will keep my eyes open for
trouble during the eval. period should we decide to give it a go.
RS

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:58 PM, James Hill wrote:
> It has improved since version 12.0 but it is still not good enough imo.  The 
> main issue I have had is bugs with backing up Exchange 2007 servers.
>
> The fixes in the earlier versions were simply to not use the features!  Even 
> in recent versions there are issues.  This is the latest one to bite me:- 
> http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/321184.htm
>
> As you can see the solution is to apply a hotfix and then update the agents 
> as well.  The updates patched ok on the BE server but pushing the remote 
> Agents failed.  So I found a forum post to resolve that.  
> http://www.symantec.com/connect/forums/backup-exec-125-remote-agent-failures
>
> Having to run msi cleanup and then reboot the server just screams amateur to 
> me.  I'm not saying that things don't go wrong but I've run out of tolerance 
> with Symantec products.  I won't be able to reboot this server before the 
> backups are scheduled tonight so they will be missed.  It's a production 
> Exchange server.
>
> Then of course there is nothing to say that will resolve the issue.  There 
> will be another hoop to jump through no doubt.
>
> The best example I can give of how bad Symantec is:- On the very rare 
> occasions that I've called Microsoft support for an issue with a server one 
> of their first questions has been "Is Symantec AV installed on this server?"
>
> Maybe I've been in the industry too long, but these days I have less 
> tolerance for things that don't "just work".  The companies I am employed by 
> spend big money on software only to have to agree to Eula's that really say 
> "if this doesn't work properly, tough shit".
>
> It's not good enough.  Instead of making things properly everything is rushed 
> out the door so they can be first to market.  The whole "we'll patch it later 
> attitude" is so common now.  It is even accepted by many people.  Hell, 
> sometimes you can buy a tv and it has a fault rectified by a firmware update. 
>  A TV!
>
> *takes a breath.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 10:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT: Symantec Rant
>
> Errrmmm, do you mind if I ask specifically about your troubles with
> BE12.5?  I've been very seriously considering moving to it, though I
> haven't installed the 60 day demo yet.  I kinda figgered it would
> pretty much work in my fairly simple environment.  It'd be nice to
> know the major gotchas.
>
> Thanks,
> RS
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, James Hill 
> wrote:
>> Excuse me for you using the list to vent but I thought I might receive some
>> understanding from other Symantec vicitims.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do they make ANYTHING these days that "just works".  After being bent over
>> with their hopeless AV implementation on Server 2008 (Let's break shares on
>> the server.  No servers need shares they must of thought)... actually their
>> hopeless AV solution in general.  I recall re-installing version 10 on about
>> 24 site servers as that was their solution to an issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> But don't worry the PR fools said.  Version 11 will fix everything.  Yeh, it
>> fixed everything alright.  Fixed it so it may never work again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now I'm having fun with Backup exec 12.5 and it's many "features".
>>
>>
>>
>> When renewal comes up I will gladly get rid of them.  They *&$^ everything
>> they touch these days.
>>
>>
>>
>> /end rant
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: Symantec Rant

[Don Ely]

That was me!  hehehehehe

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, James Hill
> wrote:
> > Excuse me for you using the list to vent but I thought I might receive
> some
> > understanding from other Symantec vicitims.
>
>  I feel your pain.
>
> > They *&$^ everything they touch these days.
>
>  It's like the opposite of the Midas touch.  Everything they touch
> turns into crap.
>
>  As someone on this list once said: Symantec has become the Computer
> Associates of the 21st century.
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Windows Defender

[James Hill]

Haven't seen Defender do anything but I'm impressed with Microsoft Security 
Essentials.  Even in beta form I've seen it stop things that Avast missed.

This is only based on experience with it on my home pc though.

-Original Message-
From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 August 2009 8:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Windows Defender

The free windows beta av stuff disables it.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Joe User wrote:
> Hello Martin,
>
> Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:02:11 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Has anyone actually seen this product "defend" anything?
>
>> I've never seen it do anything myself so just wondering.
>
>
> Yeah once - when I was trying to install something better.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT: Symantec Rant

[James Hill]

It has improved since version 12.0 but it is still not good enough imo.  The 
main issue I have had is bugs with backing up Exchange 2007 servers.

The fixes in the earlier versions were simply to not use the features!  Even in 
recent versions there are issues.  This is the latest one to bite me:- 
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/321184.htm

As you can see the solution is to apply a hotfix and then update the agents as 
well.  The updates patched ok on the BE server but pushing the remote Agents 
failed.  So I found a forum post to resolve that.  
http://www.symantec.com/connect/forums/backup-exec-125-remote-agent-failures

Having to run msi cleanup and then reboot the server just screams amateur to 
me.  I'm not saying that things don't go wrong but I've run out of tolerance 
with Symantec products.  I won't be able to reboot this server before the 
backups are scheduled tonight so they will be missed.  It's a production 
Exchange server.

Then of course there is nothing to say that will resolve the issue.  There will 
be another hoop to jump through no doubt.

The best example I can give of how bad Symantec is:- On the very rare occasions 
that I've called Microsoft support for an issue with a server one of their 
first questions has been "Is Symantec AV installed on this server?"

Maybe I've been in the industry too long, but these days I have less tolerance 
for things that don't "just work".  The companies I am employed by spend big 
money on software only to have to agree to Eula's that really say "if this 
doesn't work properly, tough shit".

It's not good enough.  Instead of making things properly everything is rushed 
out the door so they can be first to market.  The whole "we'll patch it later 
attitude" is so common now.  It is even accepted by many people.  Hell, 
sometimes you can buy a tv and it has a fault rectified by a firmware update.  
A TV!

*takes a breath.





-Original Message-
From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: Symantec Rant

Errrmmm, do you mind if I ask specifically about your troubles with
BE12.5?  I've been very seriously considering moving to it, though I
haven't installed the 60 day demo yet.  I kinda figgered it would
pretty much work in my fairly simple environment.  It'd be nice to
know the major gotchas.

Thanks,
RS

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, James Hill wrote:
> Excuse me for you using the list to vent but I thought I might receive some
> understanding from other Symantec vicitims.
>
>
>
> Do they make ANYTHING these days that "just works".  After being bent over
> with their hopeless AV implementation on Server 2008 (Let's break shares on
> the server.  No servers need shares they must of thought)... actually their
> hopeless AV solution in general.  I recall re-installing version 10 on about
> 24 site servers as that was their solution to an issue.
>
>
>
> But don't worry the PR fools said.  Version 11 will fix everything.  Yeh, it
> fixed everything alright.  Fixed it so it may never work again.
>
>
>
> Now I'm having fun with Backup exec 12.5 and it's many "features".
>
>
>
> When renewal comes up I will gladly get rid of them.  They *&$^ everything
> they touch these days.
>
>
>
> /end rant
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


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Re: OT: Symantec Rant

[Richard Stovall]

Errrmmm, do you mind if I ask specifically about your troubles with
BE12.5?  I've been very seriously considering moving to it, though I
haven't installed the 60 day demo yet.  I kinda figgered it would
pretty much work in my fairly simple environment.  It'd be nice to
know the major gotchas.

Thanks,
RS

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, James Hill wrote:
> Excuse me for you using the list to vent but I thought I might receive some
> understanding from other Symantec vicitims.
>
>
>
> Do they make ANYTHING these days that “just works”.  After being bent over
> with their hopeless AV implementation on Server 2008 (Let’s break shares on
> the server.  No servers need shares they must of thought)... actually their
> hopeless AV solution in general.  I recall re-installing version 10 on about
> 24 site servers as that was their solution to an issue.
>
>
>
> But don’t worry the PR fools said.  Version 11 will fix everything.  Yeh, it
> fixed everything alright.  Fixed it so it may never work again.
>
>
>
> Now I’m having fun with Backup exec 12.5 and it’s many “features”.
>
>
>
> When renewal comes up I will gladly get rid of them.  They *&$^ everything
> they touch these days.
>
>
>
> /end rant
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: [OT][Humor] AOL

[Gene Giannamore]

Laughed so hard I got a headache! Thanks! Need some Excedrin now.




Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185Cell
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
www.abideinternational.com



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [OT][Humor] AOL

  I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
something really bad happened: I got AOL.

  (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: Symantec Rant

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, James Hill wrote:
> Excuse me for you using the list to vent but I thought I might receive some
> understanding from other Symantec vicitims.

  I feel your pain.

> They *&$^ everything they touch these days.

  It's like the opposite of the Midas touch.  Everything they touch
turns into crap.

  As someone on this list once said: Symantec has become the Computer
Associates of the 21st century.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

OT: Symantec Rant

[James Hill]

Excuse me for you using the list to vent but I thought I might receive some 
understanding from other Symantec vicitims.

Do they make ANYTHING these days that "just works".  After being bent over with 
their hopeless AV implementation on Server 2008 (Let's break shares on the 
server.  No servers need shares they must of thought)... actually their 
hopeless AV solution in general.  I recall re-installing version 10 on about 24 
site servers as that was their solution to an issue.

But don't worry the PR fools said.  Version 11 will fix everything.  Yeh, it 
fixed everything alright.  Fixed it so it may never work again.

Now I'm having fun with Backup exec 12.5 and it's many "features".

When renewal comes up I will gladly get rid of them.  They *&$^ everything they 
touch these days.

/end rant



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

[OT][Humor] AOL

[Ben Scott]

  I've discovered that if I play an AOL installation CD backwards, I
get satanic messages.  Then I tried playing it the other way, and
something really bad happened: I got AOL.

  (Adapted from another quote; original author unknown.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Virus?

[Mike French]

Virus total's numbers aren't very comforting if that IS actually a
virus... 

Did you submit to McAfee? I'm curious as what they have to say. If you
have support I would get in touch with them, this might be a 0-day?

-Original Message-
From: RAY ZORZ [mailto:rz...@azcorrections.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virus?

http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/d7935fdf6102f1fd869f6337c45e7d690e40a
e9c31ac5d7c7f3ee3d141a14a4a-1249508892 

McAfee still isn't cleaning it, but if this site is legit, and
Malwarebytes is also catching the "right thing", then a lot of vendors
aren't catching it either. 

Oy. 

>>> "Mike French"  8/4/2009 2:54 PM >>>
Upload it to sunbelts sandbox: 

http://www.sunbeltsecurity.com/Submit.aspx?type=cwsandbox&cs=A41CD150B37

359889A553671CBFD2360

It might give you better insight. Also upload to Virus Total:
http://www.virustotal.com/ 

See who else is seeing it as a virus...


-Original Message-
From: RAY ZORZ [mailto:rz...@azcorrections.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Virus?

Our McAfee is picking up a buffer overflow error on IE.   The actual
.exe changes, but the path is the same each time:

C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\upnpsvc.exe
(Trojan.Agent)

McAfee doesn't seem to clean it, just report it.   

Does this look familiar to anyone?

Ray


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~   ~


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RE: Hyper-V Manager

[Terry Dickson]

Thanks for the update, I did make it in early enough today to reboot the two 
servers that were having the problems.  They both are working fine now.

From: Miller Bonnie L. [mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hyper-V Manager

No problems here so far either.  I would mention though that if you have 
patched your Hyper-V server(s) with WS08 SP2 that you need to install the new 
version of the integration tools on all of the Hyper-V clients--that could be 
the problem.  WS08 SP2 clients will have the matching version already.

I have not tried a WS08 SP2 client on a WS08 SP1 server, so I don't know what 
that would produce.

-Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Hyper-V Manager

Has anyone had problems with the latest Patches and the Hyper-V Manager or the 
scvmm console?  We have several servers running Hyper-V and some of them now 
appear to not have the integration tools installed.  However the guest OS's are 
a mixture of 2003 with the integration tools installed and 2008 that do not 
need the tools.  I am hoping to take down all the virtual servers tonight and 
verify that all the latest patches are installed on at least one and restart 
the server.  Remote Desktop works fine with all the servers so we have a way to 
access them when necessary.




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~   ~


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Re: FTP server ?

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Dennis Melahn  wrote:
> But my customers are accessing it with IE and due to the in-ability
> of IE to give accurate feedback to the users (status bars, etc)

  To all the folks replying suggesting FileZilla/WinSCP/etc... not
that I don't agree that just about anything is better than MSIE... but
I've seen MSIE give a progress bar when downloading from an FTP site
before.

  Is it possible that the way some FTP servers provide file size
information is incompatible with MSIE, or something along those lines?

  I know, for example, that FTP through our Squid proxy server results
in an "Time remaining: Unknown" from MSIE.  Firefox gets the size
properly.  So MSIE doesn't like something Squid does.  I've never
cared enough to find out what, but could this be the same thing?

  Maybe a different FTP *server* would help the OP.  Especially since
getting all the lusers in the world to switch to a better FTP client
seems unlikely.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply

[Mike Gill]

I understand that. But in this example he was both the creator and the
manager of the GPO. So in my mind I don't understand the added complexity.

 

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply

 

Not all server operators are Group Policy managers.  So putting the users
into OU's can be done by one set of Admins while the creation and
implementation of Group Policy can be done by a different set of Admins...

 

- Original Message - 

From: Mike Gill   

To: NT System Admin Issues   

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:35 PM

Subject: RE: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply

 

It seems I have noticed lately on the list, people using OU's for assigning
group policies to people or groups of people which are not used to delegate
special rights over that OU. It's my understanding that this is what OU's
were meant for, even though this method would also work.

 

If I were to do this, I would create a policy, and assign the user (or user
group if applicable) to the security filtering box in that policy. It seems
cleaner and with less steps this way.

 

So my questions is, why would one choose the OU method over the Security
Filter method for situations like this where simple policy settings are to
be applied to a single or small group of users?

 

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Group Policy Doesn't apply

 

Win2k3 DC, WinXpProsp3 client

Created the No Internet Policy on the DC to put in 127.0.0.1 for the proxy
addresses.

Created an OU on the DC for No Internet

Applied the policy to the OU.

Moved user to the OU.

User still gets to the Internet even after a GPUPDATE /Force and reboot.

RSOP says two policies exist

No Internet (Higher)

Domain Default

GPResults show No Internet Not applying but nothing in the events (that I
can see) on the client or the DC???

What gives???

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~   ~

RE: FTP server ?

[Erik Goldoff]

Have them try the FileZilla FTP client ... Barely more complicated than copying 
a file with Explorer 



Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 


-Original Message-
From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:den...@advancedav.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: FTP server ?

I have customers complaining about my FTP site.  I currently use Secure FTP by 
Globalscape. I like it and think it is rock solid when used with an ftp client. 
But my customers are accessing it with IE and due to the in-ability of IE to 
give accurate feedback to the users (status bars, etc) the users get confused 
as to whether the large file they just clicked on is actually still downloading 
or if the application is hung.  

I have used a custom built app in the past but as software versions change 
daily on customer's computers it was hard to keep it working correctly for 
everyone.  

Does anyone have a different recommendation?  I need something that is 
completely brainless to use from the client end.  

Thanks,
Dennis Melahn

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  ~


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Re: Blackberry Server question.

[Eric Woodford]

BES also equals:

   - 1 Windows server, plus SQL or MSDE to support. If BES 4 (not 5), also
   one more server running the Exchange admin tools.
   - higher utilization on your Exchange server, 1 BB = 2.5 users
   - headache of having one more service account with god-level rights to
   every mailbox in your environment.
   - support calls, when your C_O doesn't get responses to messages sent
   from his/her BB message at midnight on Sunday while they are on "vacation"
   in Mexico.

Not any different support model, but if you only have 20 users and a
functioning OWA server, you may look into BIS.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Martin Blackstone wrote:


>  No it doesn’t, but it is important to understand the costs of having an
> in-house (BES) system.
>
> You are going to have to buy the following
>
> Blackberry Enterprise Server
>
> User CAL’s
>
> T-Support (unless you want to fly with no support).
>
>
>
> Now this of course isn’t including the cost of a server and a Windows
> server license. I run mine in a VM but used to run it on a desktop class PC.
>
>
>
> Carriers charge for a BB Enterprise wireless plan as well and that’s needed
> to use BES. That’s probably where that $20 charge is coming from. I don’t
> think I have seen a carrier yet who doesn’t charge for the enterprise fee.
>
>
>
> If this is all cost prohibitive, you should change course to Windows Mobile
> for sure.
>
>
>
> *From:* Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@all-mode.com] *Sent:* Wednesday,
> August 05, 2009 2:32 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Blackberry Server question.
>
>
>
> Our sales guys are getting new Nextel Blackberry's. I want to look into
> setting up our own Blackberry server. Nextel is telling us that it will cost
> $20/month per phone to use the phones with an in-house Blackberry server. Is
> this what you are paying also? Doesn't this make it cost prohibitive to have
> an in-house Blackberry server?
>
> Todd Lemmiksoo Network Administrator
>
> All-Mode Communications, Inc. 1725 Dryden Road
> Freeville, New York  13068
> (607) 347-4164 x440
> 1-877-ALLMODE  (toll free)
> http://www.all-mode.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: IE8

[Miller Bonnie L .]

The biggest complaint I have right now is on WS08 servers, a shortcut to IE 
using an IP address link (which worked fine with IE7) comes up as a hung 
iexplore process.  Cut and paste the same IP address into the address bar and 
it opens fine--haven't found a solution for this one yet.

-Bonnie

> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: David L Herrick [mailto:davidherr...@nincal.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:18 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: IE8
> >
> > Anyone else having issues after upgrading?
> >
> > Have some users that IE never seems to come up after the upgrade it
> is
> > running in processes but nothing the user can see or use?
> >
> >
> > Sigh  latest one is the CEO of course  oddly it was fine yesterday
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David
> >
> >
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you
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> > that arise from the use of this email or attachments.
> >
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> > ~   ~
> 
> 
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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Erik Goldoff]

yep, I saw that after I posted  you are s 3l33t !
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09



I am so ahead of you.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

 

tell him/her I'll be glad to trade my $5 bill for a $10 anytime, to help
out.  I'm just that kind of guy ! 

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

  _  

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the HelpDesk/Desktop
lead comes to my cube and asks this question:  "Would you be willing to give
up one of your 19" monitors for a new 23" monitor?"Well DUH.

So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.

-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C. Clarke

 

 

 

 

 


 


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RE: Virus?

[RAY ZORZ]

http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/d7935fdf6102f1fd869f6337c45e7d690e40ae9c31ac5d7c7f3ee3d141a14a4a-1249508892
 

McAfee still isn't cleaning it, but if this site is legit, and Malwarebytes is 
also catching the "right thing", then a lot of vendors aren't catching it 
either. 

Oy. 

>>> "Mike French"  8/4/2009 2:54 PM >>>
Upload it to sunbelts sandbox: 

http://www.sunbeltsecurity.com/Submit.aspx?type=cwsandbox&cs=A41CD150B37 
359889A553671CBFD2360

It might give you better insight. Also upload to Virus Total:
http://www.virustotal.com/ 

See who else is seeing it as a virus...


-Original Message-
From: RAY ZORZ [mailto:rz...@azcorrections.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Virus?

Our McAfee is picking up a buffer overflow error on IE.   The actual
.exe changes, but the path is the same each time:

C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\upnpsvc.exe
(Trojan.Agent)

McAfee doesn't seem to clean it, just report it.   

Does this look familiar to anyone?

Ray


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RE: Hyper-V Manager

[Miller Bonnie L .]

No problems here so far either.  I would mention though that if you have 
patched your Hyper-V server(s) with WS08 SP2 that you need to install the new 
version of the integration tools on all of the Hyper-V clients--that could be 
the problem.  WS08 SP2 clients will have the matching version already.  

I have not tried a WS08 SP2 client on a WS08 SP1 server, so I don't know what 
that would produce.

-Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Hyper-V Manager

Has anyone had problems with the latest Patches and the Hyper-V Manager or the 
scvmm console?  We have several servers running Hyper-V and some of them now 
appear to not have the integration tools installed.  However the guest OS's are 
a mixture of 2003 with the integration tools installed and 2008 that do not 
need the tools.  I am hoping to take down all the virtual servers tonight and 
verify that all the latest patches are installed on at least one and restart 
the server.  Remote Desktop works fine with all the servers so we have a way to 
access them when necessary.




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PowerShell training - recommended!

[David Lum]

So.just had 3 days of PowerShell training. Being well versed (and still 
using on occasion!) DOS and also reasonably versed in other scripting (KiXtart, 
etc), I found the class HUGELY useful. Even with my experience there was 
certainly more than "just a few things learned in three days".

In this case it was taught by a programmer, not a sysadmin and I think it 
worked out very well. My class was taught at SQLSoft+ in Washington, but I 
would think other places would be excellent as well.

Anyone considering a PowerShell class I highly recommend it!

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764



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Re: FTP server ?

[Linda C Jones]

For FireFox users, FireFTP is excellent.

Linda

Angus Scott-Fleming wrote:

  On 5 Aug 2009 at 16:10, Dennis Melahn  wrote:

  
  
Does anyone have a different recommendation?  I need something that is
completely brainless to use from the client end.  

  
  
FileZilla is OK, but I use Total Commander or WinSCP 
http://winscp.sourceforge.net for any FTP work where I really need a GUI.

If they were using Firefox, they could use the DownThemAll extension.

I've actually found WGet to be my preferred FTP tool these days.

  Start -> Run -> CMD
  U:\Downloads> wget http://files.advancedav.com/downloadthis.ext

It gives you a graphical indication of the download, and I've found it to be 
bulletproof WRT downloads, unlike downloading using a browser.  It has the 
advantage of keeping the acutal date-time stamp on the downloaded file that the 
server shows, too.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
+---+




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Re: FTP server ?

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 5 Aug 2009 at 16:10, Dennis Melahn  wrote:

> Does anyone have a different recommendation?  I need something that is
> completely brainless to use from the client end.  

FileZilla is OK, but I use Total Commander or WinSCP 
http://winscp.sourceforge.net for any FTP work where I really need a GUI.

If they were using Firefox, they could use the DownThemAll extension.

I've actually found WGet to be my preferred FTP tool these days.

  Start -> Run -> CMD
  U:\Downloads> wget http://files.advancedav.com/downloadthis.ext

It gives you a graphical indication of the download, and I've found it to be 
bulletproof WRT downloads, unlike downloading using a browser.  It has the 
advantage of keeping the acutal date-time stamp on the downloaded file that the 
server shows, too.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
+---+




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~   ~

Re: Blackberry Server question.

[Jeff Brown]

Martin is exactly right.  We started with BB's almost 4 years ago with 200
phones up front.  Because of the amount of hardware being purchased we were
given all the BES licenses we needed, which included licenses for 2 BES
server and 250 CAL's.
This year they decided anyone with more than 50 phones will NOT BE ALLOWED
to purchase support below T3 level.  They determine my support costs based
on how many phones, when the reality ALL they do is support my BES servers(1
server at the moment).

My company's economy is down like the federal government, maybe worse and
the support contract went up 20% over last year, and I have 40% fewer users.

I am PISSED.  I think it was STUPID timing to make a change like this and
offer no alternatives, other than to run with no support.  Seriously, I am
told that "per incident" service WILL NOT be available to me if I drop my
contract.

Look around, talk to other guys running BES before you jump in.  I bet a lot
of folks are going to warn you off BB's and BES altogether.




On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Martin Blackstone wrote:

>  No it doesn’t, but it is important to understand the costs of having an
> in-house (BES) system.
>
> You are going to have to buy the following
>
> Blackberry Enterprise Server
>
> User CAL’s
>
> T-Support (unless you want to fly with no support).
>
>
>
> Now this of course isn’t including the cost of a server and a Windows
> server license. I run mine in a VM but used to run it on a desktop class PC.
>
>
>
> Carriers charge for a BB Enterprise wireless plan as well and that’s needed
> to use BES. That’s probably where that $20 charge is coming from. I don’t
> think I have seen a carrier yet who doesn’t charge for the enterprise fee.
>
>
>
> If this is all cost prohibitive, you should change course to Windows Mobile
> for sure.
>
>
>
> *From:* Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@all-mode.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:32 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Blackberry Server question.
>
>
>
> Our sales guys are getting new Nextel Blackberry's. I want to look into
> setting up our own Blackberry server. Nextel is telling us that it will cost
> $20/month per phone to use the phones with an in-house Blackberry server. Is
> this what you are paying also? Doesn't this make it cost prohibitive to have
> an in-house Blackberry server?
>
> Todd Lemmiksoo
> Network Administrator
>
> All-Mode Communications, Inc.
> 1725 Dryden Road
> Freeville, New York  13068
> (607) 347-4164 x440
> 1-877-ALLMODE  (toll free)
> http://www.all-mode.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Blackberry Server question.

[Martin Blackstone]

No it doesn't, but it is important to understand the costs of having an
in-house (BES) system.

You are going to have to buy the following

Blackberry Enterprise Server

User CAL's

T-Support (unless you want to fly with no support).

 

Now this of course isn't including the cost of a server and a Windows server
license. I run mine in a VM but used to run it on a desktop class PC.

 

Carriers charge for a BB Enterprise wireless plan as well and that's needed
to use BES. That's probably where that $20 charge is coming from. I don't
think I have seen a carrier yet who doesn't charge for the enterprise fee. 

 

If this is all cost prohibitive, you should change course to Windows Mobile
for sure.

 

From: Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@all-mode.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Blackberry Server question.

 

Our sales guys are getting new Nextel Blackberry's. I want to look into
setting up our own Blackberry server. Nextel is telling us that it will cost
$20/month per phone to use the phones with an in-house Blackberry server. Is
this what you are paying also? Doesn't this make it cost prohibitive to have
an in-house Blackberry server?

Todd Lemmiksoo 
Network Administrator 

All-Mode Communications, Inc. 
1725 Dryden Road 
Freeville, New York  13068 
(607) 347-4164 x440 
1-877-ALLMODE  (toll free) 
  http://www.all-mode.com 

 

 

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~   ~

Re: Blackberry Server question.

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Todd Lemmiksoo wrote:
> Nextel is telling us that it will cost $20/month per phone to use
> the phones with an in-house Blackberry server. Is this what you
> are paying also?

  (BES = BlackBerry Enterprise Server, one of the "in-house" options)

  We used to have a bunch of Nextel 'berries.  I don't recall having
to pay extra to use them with our BES, but I suppose I could have
fogotten.  We have since switched to Verizon Wireless.  We definitely
don't have to pay extra to use them with our BES.

  For both Nextel and VZW, we do buy the "unlimited data & email" plan
for 'berries.  Perhaps you *need* that for Nextel, and you didn't have
it before, so you need to pay more for it now?

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Blackberry Server question.

[Brian Desmond]

Having never bought a Blackberry I couldn't say for certain but my assumption 
is they're charging you for the data plan which seems reasonable to me.

You will need to pay for the BES server license plus the BES device CALs (or 
whatever they call them precisely). There is a cheaper BES "Pro" version (BPS 
or something) which is missing some useful features, otherwise you're on the 
hook for the full BES.

BlackBerry is not a cheap service to offer.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@all-mode.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Blackberry Server question.


Our sales guys are getting new Nextel Blackberry's. I want to look into setting 
up our own Blackberry server. Nextel is telling us that it will cost $20/month 
per phone to use the phones with an in-house Blackberry server. Is this what 
you are paying also? Doesn't this make it cost prohibitive to have an in-house 
Blackberry server?

Todd Lemmiksoo
Network Administrator

All-Mode Communications, Inc.
1725 Dryden Road
Freeville, New York  13068
(607) 347-4164 x440
1-877-ALLMODE  (toll free)
http://www.all-mode.com





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Blackberry Server question.

[Todd Lemmiksoo]

Our sales guys are getting new Nextel Blackberry's. I want to look into
setting up our own Blackberry server. Nextel is telling us that it will
cost $20/month per phone to use the phones with an in-house Blackberry
server. Is this what you are paying also? Doesn't this make it cost
prohibitive to have an in-house Blackberry server?

Todd Lemmiksoo
Network Administrator

All-Mode Communications, Inc.
1725 Dryden Road
Freeville, New York  13068
(607) 347-4164 x440
1-877-ALLMODE  (toll free)
http://www.all-mode.com


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~   ~

Re: FTP server ?

[Eric Wittersheim]

+1 for FileZilla

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:31 PM,  wrote:

> I would recommend that your clients use the free and easy to use FileZilla
> because it will give them the feedback they need.
>
> That's what I recommend to the clients that access my employer's ftp site.
>  They too, like to us IE for ftp, and I discourage that for various reasons.
>
> ASB
> --Original Message--
> From: Dennis Melahn
> To: NT Issues
> ReplyTo: NT Issues
> Subject: FTP server ?
> Sent: Aug 5, 2009 4:10 PM
>
> I have customers complaining about my FTP site.  I currently use Secure FTP
> by Globalscape. I like it and think it is rock solid when used with an ftp
> client. But my customers are accessing it with IE and due to the in-ability
> of IE to give accurate feedback to the users (status bars, etc) the users
> get confused as to whether the large file they just clicked on is actually
> still downloading or if the application is hung.
>
> I have used a custom built app in the past but as software versions change
> daily on customer's computers it was hard to keep it working correctly for
> everyone.
>
> Does anyone have a different recommendation?  I need something that is
> completely brainless to use from the client end.
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis Melahn
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

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~   ~

Re: FTP server ?

[asbzone]

I would recommend that your clients use the free and easy to use FileZilla 
because it will give them the feedback they need. 

That's what I recommend to the clients that access my employer's ftp site.  
They too, like to us IE for ftp, and I discourage that for various reasons. 

ASB
--Original Message--
From: Dennis Melahn
To: NT Issues
ReplyTo: NT Issues
Subject: FTP server ?
Sent: Aug 5, 2009 4:10 PM

I have customers complaining about my FTP site.  I currently use Secure FTP by 
Globalscape. I like it and think it is rock solid when used with an ftp client. 
But my customers are accessing it with IE and due to the in-ability of IE to 
give accurate feedback to the users (status bars, etc) the users get confused 
as to whether the large file they just clicked on is actually still downloading 
or if the application is hung.  

I have used a custom built app in the past but as software versions change 
daily on customer's computers it was hard to keep it working correctly for 
everyone.  

Does anyone have a different recommendation?  I need something that is 
completely brainless to use from the client end.  

Thanks,
Dennis Melahn

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

FTP server ?

[Dennis Melahn]

I have customers complaining about my FTP site.  I currently use Secure FTP by 
Globalscape. I like it and think it is rock solid when used with an ftp client. 
But my customers are accessing it with IE and due to the in-ability of IE to 
give accurate feedback to the users (status bars, etc) the users get confused 
as to whether the large file they just clicked on is actually still downloading 
or if the application is hung.  

I have used a custom built app in the past but as software versions change 
daily on customer's computers it was hard to keep it working correctly for 
everyone.  

Does anyone have a different recommendation?  I need something that is 
completely brainless to use from the client end.  

Thanks,
Dennis Melahn

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Don Guyer wrote:
> Even though you use Security Filtering, the GPO still has to be applied to a
> container (OU).

  You could just link all GPOs to a high-level OU, and then use
filtering (GPO permissions) to be selective at lower levels.

  We do a little of both.  For example, we have an OU for PCs and an
OU for servers.  There's a GPO that's linked to the PC OU that does
things appropriate for users.  We also have GPOs which apply to only
some PCs.  Those are linked to the PC OU, and filtered with security
groups as well.

-- Ben

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~   ~

Re: Printer brands (was: spooler SubSystem App errors)

[Steve Ens]

m, short of

> actually sending someone out to piss on my shoes.
>
>  I just keep hoping this systemic dysfunction doesn't spread to the
> ProCurve division.
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>


Or their servers

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~   ~

Printer brands (was: spooler SubSystem App errors)

[Ben Scott]

[aggregate reply to multiple people]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Ralph Smith wrote:
> They worked OK, while they worked, but one problem I’ve had is
> that once they are out of warranty they are hard to fix because I can’t find
> parts.

  I've had the same trouble with our recent HP's.  HP seems to have
adopted Dell's "everything is disposable" mentality.  The only parts
we could get for our 1320's was the fuser and pick-up tire.  Worse
still, HP won't even give you the time of day unless you buy a service
contract, including retroactive charges for the period since the
warranty expired.  Then they'll tell you the time of day, and that
it's a known issue but no fix is planned.  At least Dell will give you
tech support for an out-of-warranty printer.  They still tell you it's
a known issue and no fix is planned, but at least you don't have to
*pay* for the lack of service.

  We'd probabbly be buying Dell, except that we tried a 1700, and had
an issue with default preferences propagating from the server to
clients, and Dell support told us (wait for it) it's a known issue and
no fix is planned.  So we returned that.  The Lexmark's have worked
fine from day one.  This seems weird to me, since Lexmark is the OEM
for most of Dell's printers, but there ya go.

  Lexmark's support has been pretty weak, too, FWIW.  Thick accents,
lack of clue.  But "free" support continues past the warranty period,
and they'll actually provide some help on occasion, e.g., telling me
what the P/N is for a worn roller.  Pricing seems to match HP, often
down to the dime.  Initial equipment quality seems to be about the
same.  Lexmark's manuals are better.  Their front-panel UI isn't quite
as nice as the HP, but it's completely usable.  Lexmark's drivers
appear to suck a lot less, so far.  Price per page is a little better,
because Lexmark packages toner separately from the photo drum.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote:
> How about toner?  ISTR Dell toner was VERY expensive.

  Dell's toner is more expensive, both price, and cost-per-page.  But
HP's isn't exactly cheap, either.  And they won't honor their
cartridge warranties unless the printer is also under warranty.

  Yes, I have an HP printer horror story for *everything*.  HP has
done just about everything they could to make me hate them, short of
actually sending someone out to piss on my shoes.

  I just keep hoping this systemic dysfunction doesn't spread to the
ProCurve division.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: SAN EOL

[paul chinnery]

Thanks for the reply and thanks to you also, Brian. 
Must be age...seven years just doesn't last as long as it used to when I was in 
school.

From: egold...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: SAN EOL
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:46:56 -0400










well, 5 years is geriatric nowadays for computer storage, 
*especially* supporting spinning spindles at the version of technology they 
were 
issued with 
 

Erik 
Goldoff
IT  
Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 

 



From: paul chinnery [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:00 PM
To: NT System 
Admin Issues
Subject: SAN EOL


I found out today that our EMC CX500 is end of life for production 
with support EOL around 2011. We got the CX500 around 2004 so it sure doesn't 
seem like it's been in production.
Does anybody know what IBM or HP has for 
EOL interval on their SAN's? (director is curious)
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Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[James Kerr]

I need to have it done in my right eye. I am kinda worried about it because 
when I tried to wear glasses I guess it messed with my brain since it was 
used to everything being off balanced that I felt really sick after wearing 
them for only a few minutes and it took hours for that feeling to go away. 
When I get lasik I guess I will need a patch or something so that I can give 
my brain a rest? I'm really worried about having a few days of feeling 
really sea sick.



- Original Message - 
From: "Jacob" 

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09


Same here.. I spent $2500 for my left eye.  My right eye was fine.

About 8 years ago. Money well spent!

I could handle contacts for about 2 days and I was it.

-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

Best $3000 I ever spent. I still don't need reading glasses, my arms are 
long enough.

John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Wed Aug 05 12:32:35 2009
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

I got lasik done when I was 41. That was, uh, some number of years ago.

I was seeing at distance - blurred a bit by the drops and the
protective plastic lenses - on my way home. No, I didn't drive, but
being able to see the road signs on the way home added to the
blurriness, if you catch my meaning. It's something I hadn't been able
to do since the 5th grade.

Yes, that was a long time ago, and as a relatively early adopter, it
cost a lot of money. I've never regretted it, despite the fact that I
needed reading glasses immediately thereafter.

Kurt

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
Old enuff to know better, yet still manage to be an idiot most of the 
time.




Ive needed corrective lenses since 7th grade. Glasses for several years,
then contacts. I had Lasik a year ago[1]. I need about +2.5 diopters of
correction in each eye.



-sc



[1] Lasik rocks.



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09



Out of curiosity, how old are you?

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

I prefer to shrink the scale on most docs and have _TWO_ side by side 
pages.




Well, actually, thats a lie. m almost always bouncing between multiple
windows, so when m editing I actually have a full height doc (@ 80%)on the
right and then room on the left to get at other things (CMD windows, 
emails,

et)



With a decent resolution monitor, and ClearType enabled, there are very 
few
cases where I find I need to use the Office Apps or a browser at 100% 
scale.

I find 75-80% works well, and I can usually get a full page in there.



Ditto for CMD window. I permanently crank the font down to a ~9 point(as
well as go green-on-black) and can get a couple of 50-line tall windows
rolling without sucking up all the screen real estate.



Lasik not included.



-sc



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:23 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09



Two words: protrait mode.



I changed my 22" to portrait and have never looked back.  PDF files, page 
at

a time and readable.  Websites, no scrolling to get to the bottom (or
significantly less).  Since most websites are aligned for 1024 horizontal
resolution, you won't have to scroll left or right.  And, I find I prefer 
a

long screen than a wide screen when remoting into servers.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Sherry Abercrombie 
wrote:

So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the 
HelpDesk/Desktop
lead comes to my cube and asks this question:  "Would you be willing to 
give

up one of your 19" monitors for a new 23" monitor?"Well DUH.

So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.

--
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke


























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Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Kurt Buff]

Heh.

I was 20/400 in one eye, 20/425 in the other.

It's a freakin' gift, I tell ya. I won't call it a miracle, but it's close.

Kurt

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:52, Erik Goldoff wrote:
> I had lasik in August of 2003, prior to that I had the coke-bottle looking
> glasses, going back as far as second grade ...  It wasn't perfect for me,
> but still good, 6 years later and my vision is about 20/40 , compared to
> over 20/200 or worse ( I don't remember ) ...
> I do suffer from dry eyes now way more than before the Lasik, but that
> doesn't happen to everyone.  My biggest complaint is that this wasn't
> available to me when I was in my 20s, sure would have changed my social and
> athletic lives for the better !
>
> process literally takes only minutes total once you're preppped.  Kind of
> funny, they told me to take off my glasses so they could sterilize my face
> around the eyes ( we don't want infections, do we ? ) using betadine,
> iodine, or somesuch ...and I was worried about losing track of where my
> glasses were because you cannot put them back on after they apply the
> betadine ... after the lasik procedure, they rinsed my eyes with saline and
> sat me up, and guess what ?
>
> I COULD SEE   
>
>
> Erik Goldoff
>
> IT  Consultant
>
> Systems, Networks, & Security
>
>
> 
> From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>
> Yup, I'm probably a good candidate, eyesight for distance hasn't changed in
> several years and I only have a slight astigmatism.  It's nice to hear from
> others that have had it done.  I'm only considering it now because I'm
> starting to need reading glasses some, and I don't want bifocals.  I've
> never had any kind of surgery, so the thought of something being pointed at
> my eyes and I am going to be semi aware of what is going on really freaks me
> out.  I'm a wimp, I can't watch when I give blood or have to have blood
> drawn for a blood test, I have to look the other direction.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>>
>> Let us know what they say… if you are a good candidate, I think you’ll
>> love it. ALtho it won’t help with the color issues..
>>
>>
>>
>> -sc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:35 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I officially became an old fart a couple of weeks ago when I
>> finally installed Office 2007.  The font color in most of the office
>> applications is way to light for me to seeit's rather annoying and a
>> co-worker who is the same age as I am did the same thing and he's
>> complaining about the same thing, so I don't think it's just me.  Why is the
>> font color and size setup like that Microsoft?  And now with this new
>> monitor it's even worse...
>>
>> I've got an appt. next week for a preliminary exam for lasik eye
>> surgery..
>>
>
>
>
>

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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Steven M. Caesare]

I am so ahead of you.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

 

tell him/her I'll be glad to trade my $5 bill for a $10 anytime, to help
out.  I'm just that kind of guy ! 

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the
HelpDesk/Desktop lead comes to my cube and asks this question:  "Would
you be willing to give up one of your 19" monitors for a new 23"
monitor?"Well DUH.

So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.

-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C. Clarke

 

 

 

 

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~   ~

RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Jacob]

Same here.. I spent $2500 for my left eye.  My right eye was fine.

About 8 years ago. Money well spent!

I could handle contacts for about 2 days and I was it.

-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

Best $3000 I ever spent. I still don't need reading glasses, my arms are long 
enough.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
 Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Wed Aug 05 12:32:35 2009
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

I got lasik done when I was 41. That was, uh, some number of years ago.

I was seeing at distance - blurred a bit by the drops and the
protective plastic lenses - on my way home. No, I didn't drive, but
being able to see the road signs on the way home added to the
blurriness, if you catch my meaning. It's something I hadn't been able
to do since the 5th grade.

Yes, that was a long time ago, and as a relatively early adopter, it
cost a lot of money. I've never regretted it, despite the fact that I
needed reading glasses immediately thereafter.

Kurt

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
> Old enuff to know better, yet still manage to be an idiot most of the time.
>
>
>
> Ive needed corrective lenses since 7th grade. Glasses for several years,
> then contacts. I had Lasik a year ago[1]. I need about +2.5 diopters of
> correction in each eye.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> [1] Lasik rocks.
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:17 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>
>
>
> Out of curiosity, how old are you?
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>
> I prefer to shrink the scale on most docs and have _TWO_ side by side pages.
>
>
>
> Well, actually, thats a lie. m almost always bouncing between multiple
> windows, so when m editing I actually have a full height doc (@ 80%)on the
> right and then room on the left to get at other things (CMD windows, emails,
> et)
>
>
>
> With a decent resolution monitor, and ClearType enabled, there are very few
> cases where I find I need to use the Office Apps or a browser at 100% scale.
> I find 75-80% works well, and I can usually get a full page in there.
>
>
>
> Ditto for CMD window. I permanently crank the font down to a ~9 point(as
> well as go green-on-black) and can get a couple of 50-line tall windows
> rolling without sucking up all the screen real estate.
>
>
>
> Lasik not included.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:23 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>
>
>
> Two words: protrait mode.
>
>
>
> I changed my 22" to portrait and have never looked back.  PDF files, page at
> a time and readable.  Websites, no scrolling to get to the bottom (or
> significantly less).  Since most websites are aligned for 1024 horizontal
> resolution, you won't have to scroll left or right.  And, I find I prefer a
> long screen than a wide screen when remoting into servers.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Sherry Abercrombie 
> wrote:
>
> So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the HelpDesk/Desktop
> lead comes to my cube and asks this question:  "Would you be willing to give
> up one of your 19" monitors for a new 23" monitor?"Well DUH.
>
> So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.
>
> --
> Sherry Abercrombie
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
> Arthur C. Clarke
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply

[Don Guyer]

I'm confused..or maybe am just reading this wrong.

 

Excuse me if I am rehashing things already known.

 

Even though you use Security Filtering, the GPO still has to be applied
to a container (OU).

 

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply

 

It seems I have noticed lately on the list, people using OU's for
assigning group policies to people or groups of people which are not
used to delegate special rights over that OU. It's my understanding that
this is what OU's were meant for, even though this method would also
work.

 

If I were to do this, I would create a policy, and assign the user (or
user group if applicable) to the security filtering box in that policy.
It seems cleaner and with less steps this way.

 

So my questions is, why would one choose the OU method over the Security
Filter method for situations like this where simple policy settings are
to be applied to a single or small group of users?

 

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Group Policy Doesn't apply

 

Win2k3 DC, WinXpProsp3 client

Created the No Internet Policy on the DC to put in 127.0.0.1 for the
proxy addresses.

Created an OU on the DC for No Internet

Applied the policy to the OU.

Moved user to the OU.

User still gets to the Internet even after a GPUPDATE /Force and reboot.

RSOP says two policies exist

No Internet (Higher)

Domain Default

GPResults show No Internet Not applying but nothing in the events (that
I can see) on the client or the DC???

What gives???

 

 

 

 

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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Erik Goldoff]

I had lasik in August of 2003, prior to that I had the coke-bottle looking
glasses, going back as far as second grade ...  It wasn't perfect for me,
but still good, 6 years later and my vision is about 20/40 , compared to
over 20/200 or worse ( I don't remember ) ... 
I do suffer from dry eyes now way more than before the Lasik, but that
doesn't happen to everyone.  My biggest complaint is that this wasn't
available to me when I was in my 20s, sure would have changed my social and
athletic lives for the better !
 
process literally takes only minutes total once you're preppped.  Kind of
funny, they told me to take off my glasses so they could sterilize my face
around the eyes ( we don't want infections, do we ? ) using betadine,
iodine, or somesuch ...and I was worried about losing track of where my
glasses were because you cannot put them back on after they apply the
betadine ... after the lasik procedure, they rinsed my eyes with saline and
sat me up, and guess what ?
 
I COULD SEE   
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09


Yup, I'm probably a good candidate, eyesight for distance hasn't changed in
several years and I only have a slight astigmatism.  It's nice to hear from
others that have had it done.  I'm only considering it now because I'm
starting to need reading glasses some, and I don't want bifocals.  I've
never had any kind of surgery, so the thought of something being pointed at
my eyes and I am going to be semi aware of what is going on really freaks me
out.  I'm a wimp, I can't watch when I give blood or have to have blood
drawn for a blood test, I have to look the other direction.  


On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:


Let us know what they say… if you are a good candidate, I think you’ll love
it. ALtho it won’t help with the color issues..

 

-sc

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 


Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09



 

I think I officially became an old fart a couple of weeks ago when I finally
installed Office 2007.  The font color in most of the office applications is
way to light for me to seeit's rather annoying and a co-worker who is
the same age as I am did the same thing and he's complaining about the same
thing, so I don't think it's just me.  Why is the font color and size setup
like that Microsoft?  And now with this new monitor it's even worse...



I've got an appt. next week for a preliminary exam for lasik eye
surgery..
 


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RE: keylogger help

[Joe Heaton]

We purchased Spector Pro for this issue.  I've got it installed on a
test computer, and it is extremely intensive, as far as the data
collected.  Tracks usage, and takes screenshots on events.  Every time
the left mouse button is clicked, or double-clicked, every time the
right button is clicked, every time a webpage is opened, etc.  Very
extensive data collection.  Haven't put it on a machine with Symantec
yet, as the machine I'm testing with is a Win 7 box, but I did load AVG
onto it, and not a peep from it.

 

Joe Heaton

Employment Training Panel

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: keylogger help

 

I see they have two version now. We use Spector Pro. Don't know a thing
about the other one.

 

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: keylogger help

 

This is the one we have used. It key logs, small bmp screen shots at an
interval you set. Logs all applications and what you do with them..IM's,
email...and saves it to a random folder deep down inside system32.
After you set it up you can just connect to their c$ share and copy it
back to your desktop. It is very stealth, I put it on a test machine and
it scared the heck out of me...you can't find it even in task manager. I
have had some pretty savvy users that knew they were on 'the list' not
see it or find it.

 

And it is pretty cheap.

 

http://www.spectorsoft.com/

 

 

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:jhea...@etp.ca.gov] 
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: keylogger help

 

My Legal department wants to put a keylogger on a user's computer.
Anyone have a decent one that they've used in the past?  I've never used
them before, so I am rather clueless about it, but I don't want to end
up getting something that sends info outside our organization.

 

Joe Heaton

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Eldridge, Dave]

My wife had this done a little over a year ago. Man that was weird to sit there 
and watch.
She just had her one year checkup and everything is perfect.

-Original Message-
From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

Best Money I've spent it a long time.  It's weird, I only get a little halo off 
of yellow street signs. 

-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

That's awesome.. most folks I've talked to have at least a little halation

> -Original Message-
> From: Ames Matthew B [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:31 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> I had the same op in the UK about 3 years ago Was expensive but 
> certainly the best "investment" of my money.  I had to stop wearing 
> contacts due to scaring on the inside of my eye lids, so was back to 
> glasses which was a pain.  Fortunately I don't suffer from the halo 
> affect at all, although it was suggested I might.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: 05 August 2009 17:37
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> Yeah, it's great.
> 
> I still have some slight halo effect for high contrast scenes (i.e.
> lights at nite time), but the tradeoff is well worth it.
> 
> Not having to futz with glasses... not having the "tired eyes" after 
> the contacts had been in my head for 12+ hours, etc...
> 
> -sc
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:33 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> >
> > I got lasik done when I was 41. That was, uh, some number of years
> ago.
> >
> > I was seeing at distance - blurred a bit by the drops and the 
> > protective plastic lenses - on my way home. No, I didn't drive, but 
> > being able to see the road signs on the way home added to the 
> > blurriness, if you catch my meaning. It's something I hadn't been
> able
> > to do since the 5th grade.
> >
> > Yes, that was a long time ago, and as a relatively early adopter, it 
> > cost a lot of money. I've never regretted it, despite the fact that 
> > I needed reading glasses immediately thereafter.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Steven M. 
> > Caesare
> > wrote:
> > > Old enuff to know better, yet still manage to be an idiot most of 
> > > the
> > time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ve needed corrective lenses since 7th grade. Glasses for several
> > years,
> > > then contacts. I had Lasik a year ago[1]. I need about +2.5
> diopters
> > of
> > > correction in each eye.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Lasik rocks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:17 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, how old are you?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I prefer to shrink the scale on most docs and have _TWO_ side by 
> > > side
> > pages.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, actually, thas a lie.m almost always bouncing between
> > multiple
> > > windows, so when m editing I actually have a full height doc (@
> > 80%)on the
> > > right and then room on the left to get at other things (CMD
> windows,
> > emails,
> > > e)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > With a decent resolution monitor, and ClearType enabled, there are
> > very few
> > > cases where I find I need to use the Office Apps or a browser at 
> > > 100%
> > scale.
> > > I find 75-80% works well, and I can usually get a full page in
> there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ditto for CMD window. I permanently crank the font down to a ~9
> > point(as
> > > well as go green-on-black) and can get a couple of 50-line tall
> > windows
> > > rolling without sucking up all the screen real estate.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lasik not included.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:23 AM
> > >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Two words: protrait mode.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I changed my 22" to portrait and have never looked back. PDF 
> > > files,
> > page at
> > > a time and readabl  Websites, no scrolling to get to the bottom 
> > > (or significantly less). Since most websites are aligned for 1024
> > horizontal
> > > resolution, you won't have to scroll left or right. And, I find I
> > prefer a
> 

RE: SAN EOL

[Erik Goldoff]

well, 5 years is geriatric nowadays for computer storage, *especially*
supporting spinning spindles at the version of technology they were issued
with 
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

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From: paul chinnery [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SAN EOL


I found out today that our EMC CX500 is end of life for production with
support EOL around 2011. We got the CX500 around 2004 so it sure doesn't
seem like it's been in production.
Does anybody know what IBM or HP has for EOL interval on their SAN's?
(director is curious)
thx


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Re: Computer BLOWS UP with spooler SubSystem App errors

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 5 Aug 2009 at 12:17, Vicky Spelshaus  wrote:

> Dell is what I've been using as well - we got killer pricing under the 
> state contract the year the HPs became problematic. I've never looked 
> back. And I too was someone who ONLY bought HP printers for years. 
> Well... and Epson for dot matrix. (showing my age).

How about toner?  ISTR Dell toner was VERY expensive.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
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Event ID 513 souce CAPI2 on server 2008

[Webster]

Following the directions here:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc734021(WS.10).aspx

Get to step 5 in the Verify section and it doesn't say what to do if the
"Write Name" 'System Writer'" isn't displayed in the list.

Any ideas?

Thanks


Webster




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Re: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply

[David W. McSpadden]

Not all server operators are Group Policy managers.  So putting the users into 
OU's can be done by one set of Admins while the creation and implementation of 
Group Policy can be done by a different set of Admins...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Gill 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:35 PM
  Subject: RE: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply


  It seems I have noticed lately on the list, people using OU's for assigning 
group policies to people or groups of people which are not used to delegate 
special rights over that OU. It's my understanding that this is what OU's were 
meant for, even though this method would also work.

   

  If I were to do this, I would create a policy, and assign the user (or user 
group if applicable) to the security filtering box in that policy. It seems 
cleaner and with less steps this way.

   

  So my questions is, why would one choose the OU method over the Security 
Filter method for situations like this where simple policy settings are to be 
applied to a single or small group of users?

   

  -- 
  Mike Gill

   

  From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Group Policy Doesn't apply

   

  Win2k3 DC, WinXpProsp3 client

  Created the No Internet Policy on the DC to put in 127.0.0.1 for the proxy 
addresses.

  Created an OU on the DC for No Internet

  Applied the policy to the OU.

  Moved user to the OU.

  User still gets to the Internet even after a GPUPDATE /Force and reboot.

  RSOP says two policies exist

  No Internet (Higher)

  Domain Default

  GPResults show No Internet Not applying but nothing in the events (that I can 
see) on the client or the DC???

  What gives???

   

 


 

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~   ~

RE: UO vs Security Filtering - WAS: Group Policy Doesn't apply

[Mike Gill]

It seems I have noticed lately on the list, people using OU's for assigning
group policies to people or groups of people which are not used to delegate
special rights over that OU. It's my understanding that this is what OU's
were meant for, even though this method would also work.

 

If I were to do this, I would create a policy, and assign the user (or user
group if applicable) to the security filtering box in that policy. It seems
cleaner and with less steps this way.

 

So my questions is, why would one choose the OU method over the Security
Filter method for situations like this where simple policy settings are to
be applied to a single or small group of users?

 

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Group Policy Doesn't apply

 

Win2k3 DC, WinXpProsp3 client

Created the No Internet Policy on the DC to put in 127.0.0.1 for the proxy
addresses.

Created an OU on the DC for No Internet

Applied the policy to the OU.

Moved user to the OU.

User still gets to the Internet even after a GPUPDATE /Force and reboot.

RSOP says two policies exist

No Internet (Higher)

Domain Default

GPResults show No Internet Not applying but nothing in the events (that I
can see) on the client or the DC???

What gives???

 

 

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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[N Parr]

Best Money I've spent it a long time.  It's weird, I only get a little halo off 
of yellow street signs. 

-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

That's awesome.. most folks I've talked to have at least a little halation

> -Original Message-
> From: Ames Matthew B [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:31 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> I had the same op in the UK about 3 years ago Was expensive but 
> certainly the best "investment" of my money.  I had to stop wearing 
> contacts due to scaring on the inside of my eye lids, so was back to 
> glasses which was a pain.  Fortunately I don't suffer from the halo 
> affect at all, although it was suggested I might.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: 05 August 2009 17:37
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> Yeah, it's great.
> 
> I still have some slight halo effect for high contrast scenes (i.e.
> lights at nite time), but the tradeoff is well worth it.
> 
> Not having to futz with glasses... not having the "tired eyes" after 
> the contacts had been in my head for 12+ hours, etc...
> 
> -sc
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:33 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> >
> > I got lasik done when I was 41. That was, uh, some number of years
> ago.
> >
> > I was seeing at distance - blurred a bit by the drops and the 
> > protective plastic lenses - on my way home. No, I didn't drive, but 
> > being able to see the road signs on the way home added to the 
> > blurriness, if you catch my meaning. It's something I hadn't been
> able
> > to do since the 5th grade.
> >
> > Yes, that was a long time ago, and as a relatively early adopter, it 
> > cost a lot of money. I've never regretted it, despite the fact that 
> > I needed reading glasses immediately thereafter.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Steven M. 
> > Caesare
> > wrote:
> > > Old enuff to know better, yet still manage to be an idiot most of 
> > > the
> > time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ve needed corrective lenses since 7th grade. Glasses for several
> > years,
> > > then contacts. I had Lasik a year ago[1]. I need about +2.5
> diopters
> > of
> > > correction in each eye.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Lasik rocks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:17 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, how old are you?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I prefer to shrink the scale on most docs and have _TWO_ side by 
> > > side
> > pages.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, actually, thas a lie.m almost always bouncing between
> > multiple
> > > windows, so when m editing I actually have a full height doc (@
> > 80%)on the
> > > right and then room on the left to get at other things (CMD
> windows,
> > emails,
> > > e)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > With a decent resolution monitor, and ClearType enabled, there are
> > very few
> > > cases where I find I need to use the Office Apps or a browser at 
> > > 100%
> > scale.
> > > I find 75-80% works well, and I can usually get a full page in
> there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ditto for CMD window. I permanently crank the font down to a ~9
> > point(as
> > > well as go green-on-black) and can get a couple of 50-line tall
> > windows
> > > rolling without sucking up all the screen real estate.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lasik not included.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:23 AM
> > >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Two words: protrait mode.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I changed my 22" to portrait and have never looked back. PDF 
> > > files,
> > page at
> > > a time and readabl  Websites, no scrolling to get to the bottom 
> > > (or significantly less). Since most websites are aligned for 1024
> > horizontal
> > > resolution, you won't have to scroll left or right. And, I find I
> > prefer a
> > > long screen than a wide screen when remoting into servers.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Sherry Abercrombie
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the
> > HelpDesk/Desktop
> > > lead comes to my cube and asks this question: "Would you be 
> > > willing
> > to give
> > > up one of 

RE: SAN EOL

[Martin Blackstone]

I was going to say the same thing.

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SAN EOL

 

HP definitely does.

 

7 years asset lifecycle seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: paul chinnery [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SAN EOL

 

I found out today that our EMC CX500 is end of life for production with
support EOL around 2011. We got the CX500 around 2004 so it sure doesn't
seem like it's been in production.
Does anybody know what IBM or HP has for EOL interval on their SAN's?
(director is curious)
thx

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Re: VBScript Regular expression help

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Christopher
Bodnar wrote:
> myRegExp.Pattern = "[^\x22]*"

  That says, "Give me everything that's not a quote", not "give me
everything quoted".  So, if your target string is:

FOO "SERVER1" BAR "SERVER2" BAZ

  You will get matches of "FOO ", "SERVER1", " BAR ", "SERVER2", and "
BAZ", complete with the embedded spaces.  That is probabbly not what
you want.

  Of course, in my testing right now, I'm discovering VBScript does
not appear to support grouping the way I expected.  I figured Matches
would be the groups, i.e., the backreferences, but no, it's giving the
whole matched substring, complete with the leading/trailing quotes.

  So here's further corrections to my idea.  With tested code this time.  :-)

target = "target ""SERVER1"" BAR ""SERVER2"" BAZ"
Set re = New RegExp
re.Global = True
'
WScript.Echo "---wrong---"
re.Pattern = "[^\x22]*"
Set matches = re.Execute(target)
For Each match In matches
WScript.Echo "<" & match.Value & ">"
Next
'
WScript.Echo "---correct---"
re.Pattern = "\x22([^\x22]+)\x22"
Set matches = re.Execute(target)
For Each match In matches
For i = 0 to (match.SubMatches.Count - 1)
WScript.Echo "<" & match.SubMatches(i) & ">"
Next
Next

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RE: SAN EOL

[Brian Desmond]

HP definitely does.

7 years asset lifecycle seems pretty reasonable to me.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: paul chinnery [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SAN EOL

I found out today that our EMC CX500 is end of life for production with support 
EOL around 2011. We got the CX500 around 2004 so it sure doesn't seem like it's 
been in production.
Does anybody know what IBM or HP has for EOL interval on their SAN's? (director 
is curious)
thx

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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Erik Goldoff]

tell him/her I'll be glad to trade my $5 bill for a $10 anytime, to help
out.  I'm just that kind of guy ! 
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

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From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09


So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the HelpDesk/Desktop
lead comes to my cube and asks this question:  "Would you be willing to give
up one of your 19" monitors for a new 23" monitor?"Well DUH.

So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.

-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C. Clarke


 


 


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RE: AT&T SMTP server problems

[John Aldrich]

Yeah. I'm mostly happy with Verizon for my personal use. Company doesn't pay
for cell phones.. 

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AT&T SMTP server problems

 

Had same exact problem with a Verizon usb727. Coworker handed over his v740
to try out, and sending worked again. Should be getting a replacement pc770
2 in 1 in a few days. Took 1 minute on phone with my Verizon sales rep to
resolve, and we are a very small business account.

I am extremely happy with the way we get treated by our Verizon rep. Nice
discounts, friendly prompt service, WOW. 

 

 

 

 

Gene Giannamore

Abide International Inc.

Technical Support

561 1st Street West

Sonoma,Ca.95476

(707) 935-1577Office

(707) 935-9387Fax

(707) 766-4185Cell

gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com

www.abideinternational.com

 

 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: AT&T SMTP server problems

 

My boss has AT&T wireless service and is reporting that he has been unable
to send emails from his phone since yesterday afternoon. Anyone here know of
any problems with AT&T wireless email? According to my boss, the smtp server
for AT&T wireless is cwmx.com and it's not working. He also said that it
would not surprise him if they changed that and neglected to tell anyone. J

 

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Re: VBScript Regular expression help

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
>"   (   [^"]   )   "

  That should be:

"   (   [^"]*   )   "


>myRegExp.Pattern =  """([^""])"""

  Likewise:

myRegExp.Pattern =  """([^""]*)"""

-- Ben

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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[David Lum]

The prep takes longer than the actual procedure... mine was about 30secs per 
eye.

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

Understand the squeamishness. But, it's really a pretty easy
procedure, and the doctor will explain it thoroughly, if he/she is
competent.

Get good recommendations, and you should be fine.

It's probably gotten better and easier since I had it done so long
ago, but it was dang easy even then.

Kurt

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:03, Sherry Abercrombie wrote:
> Yup, I'm probably a good candidate, eyesight for distance hasn't changed in
> several years and I only have a slight astigmatism.  It's nice to hear from
> others that have had it done.  I'm only considering it now because I'm
> starting to need reading glasses some, and I don't want bifocals.  I've
> never had any kind of surgery, so the thought of something being pointed at
> my eyes and I am going to be semi aware of what is going on really freaks me
> out.  I'm a wimp, I can't watch when I give blood or have to have blood
> drawn for a blood test, I have to look the other direction.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>>
>> Let us know what they say. if you are a good candidate, I think you'll
>> love it. ALtho it won't help with the color issues..
>>
>>
>>
>> -sc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:35 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I officially became an old fart a couple of weeks ago when I
>> finally installed Office 2007.  The font color in most of the office
>> applications is way to light for me to seeit's rather annoying and a
>> co-worker who is the same age as I am did the same thing and he's
>> complaining about the same thing, so I don't think it's just me.  Why is the
>> font color and size setup like that Microsoft?  And now with this new
>> monitor it's even worse...
>>
>> I've got an appt. next week for a preliminary exam for lasik eye
>> surgery..
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:06 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> tony patton  wrote on 08/05/2009 10:12:04
>> AM:
>>
>> > I'can see the photo :-(
>> >
>> > It's either Domino, Notes or the mail scanner :-(
>>
>> I'm a victim of Loathsome Notes, too, and I saw it. In fact, I was
>> wondering how his neck didn't hurt, since he'd have to tilt his head back so
>> often, to see the top monitors ... or I would, but then, I wear bifocals,
>> having officially become an Old Fart in the last couple years ...
>>
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Tony Patton
>> > Desktop Operations Cavan
>> > Ext 8078
>> > Direct Dial 049 435 2878
>> > email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > James Rankin 
>>
>>
>>
>> > 05/08/2009 15:04
>> >
>> > Please respond to
>> > "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>
>> >
>> > To
>> >
>>
>> > "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>
>> >
>> > cc
>> >
>> > Subject
>>
>> >
>> > Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> > Pffft. Try my new 6 24" monitors. I am considering an upgrade to 8...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2009/8/5 Sherry Abercrombie 
>> > It wasn't give up 2 19's it was give up 1 of the 19's.  I now have a
>> > 19" and a 23" monitor.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:21 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
>> > I would not be willing to give up my two 19s for a 23. For a 27 yes.
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: Steven M. Caesare
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:09 AM
>> > Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>>
>>
>>
>> > Correct answer: "Well, I might be willing to give it up for TWO 23
>> > inchers."
>> >
>> > -sc
>> >
>> > From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:04 AM
>> >
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>> >
>> > So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the
>> > HelpDesk/Desktop lead comes to my cube and asks this question:
>> > "Would you be willing to give up one of your 19" monitors for a new
>> > 23" monitor?"    Well DUH.
>> >
>> > So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sherry Abercrombie
>> >
>> > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
>> > Arthur C. Clarke
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sherry Abercrombie
>> >
>> > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
>> > Arthur C. Clarke
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put
>> > into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I
>> > am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confu

Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Kurt Buff]

Understand the squeamishness. But, it's really a pretty easy
procedure, and the doctor will explain it thoroughly, if he/she is
competent.

Get good recommendations, and you should be fine.

It's probably gotten better and easier since I had it done so long
ago, but it was dang easy even then.

Kurt

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:03, Sherry Abercrombie wrote:
> Yup, I'm probably a good candidate, eyesight for distance hasn't changed in
> several years and I only have a slight astigmatism.  It's nice to hear from
> others that have had it done.  I'm only considering it now because I'm
> starting to need reading glasses some, and I don't want bifocals.  I've
> never had any kind of surgery, so the thought of something being pointed at
> my eyes and I am going to be semi aware of what is going on really freaks me
> out.  I'm a wimp, I can't watch when I give blood or have to have blood
> drawn for a blood test, I have to look the other direction.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>>
>> Let us know what they say… if you are a good candidate, I think you’ll
>> love it. ALtho it won’t help with the color issues..
>>
>>
>>
>> -sc
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:35 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I officially became an old fart a couple of weeks ago when I
>> finally installed Office 2007.  The font color in most of the office
>> applications is way to light for me to seeit's rather annoying and a
>> co-worker who is the same age as I am did the same thing and he's
>> complaining about the same thing, so I don't think it's just me.  Why is the
>> font color and size setup like that Microsoft?  And now with this new
>> monitor it's even worse...
>>
>> I've got an appt. next week for a preliminary exam for lasik eye
>> surgery..
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:06 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> tony patton  wrote on 08/05/2009 10:12:04
>> AM:
>>
>> > I'can see the photo :-(
>> >
>> > It's either Domino, Notes or the mail scanner :-(
>>
>> I'm a victim of Loathsome Notes, too, and I saw it. In fact, I was
>> wondering how his neck didn't hurt, since he'd have to tilt his head back so
>> often, to see the top monitors ... or I would, but then, I wear bifocals,
>> having officially become an Old Fart in the last couple years ...
>>
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Tony Patton
>> > Desktop Operations Cavan
>> > Ext 8078
>> > Direct Dial 049 435 2878
>> > email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > James Rankin 
>>
>>
>>
>> > 05/08/2009 15:04
>> >
>> > Please respond to
>> > "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>
>> >
>> > To
>> >
>>
>> > "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>
>> >
>> > cc
>> >
>> > Subject
>>
>> >
>> > Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> > Pffft. Try my new 6 24" monitors. I am considering an upgrade to 8...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2009/8/5 Sherry Abercrombie 
>> > It wasn't give up 2 19's it was give up 1 of the 19's.  I now have a
>> > 19" and a 23" monitor.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:21 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
>> > I would not be willing to give up my two 19s for a 23. For a 27 yes.
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: Steven M. Caesare
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:09 AM
>> > Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>>
>>
>>
>> > Correct answer: “Well, I might be willing to give it up for TWO 23
>> > inchers…”
>> >
>> > -sc
>> >
>> > From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:04 AM
>> >
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>> >
>> > So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the
>> > HelpDesk/Desktop lead comes to my cube and asks this question:
>> > "Would you be willing to give up one of your 19" monitors for a new
>> > 23" monitor?"    Well DUH.
>> >
>> > So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sherry Abercrombie
>> >
>> > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
>> > Arthur C. Clarke
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sherry Abercrombie
>> >
>> > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
>> > Arthur C. Clarke
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put
>> > into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I
>> > am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that
>> > could provoke such a question."
>> >
>> > http://raythestray.blogspot.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>> > 
>> > http://www.quinn-insurance.com
>> >
>> > This e-mail is intended only for the addressee named above. The contents
>> > should not be copied nor disclosed to any other person. Any views or
>> > op

SAN EOL

[paul chinnery]

I found out today that our EMC CX500 is end of life for production with support 
EOL around 2011. We got the CX500 around 2004 so it sure doesn't seem like it's 
been in production.
Does anybody know what IBM or HP has for EOL interval on their SAN's? (director 
is curious)
thx

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RE: Computer BLOWS UP with spooler SubSystem App errors

[Ralph Smith]

We purchased about 15 Dell 1700 and 1710 printers a few years ago,
starting in 2005.  They worked OK, while they worked, but one problem
I've had is that once they are out of warranty they are hard to fix
because I can't find parts.  Out of the 15 we purchased, I've only got
10 still working, and 2 of those are because we were able to cannibalize
parts from the other broken ones.  Something as simple as the rollers in
the back, just before the paper exits - I wanted to replace them on 2
machines and trying to get them from Dell was a joke - they sent the
wrong parts twice, and I never did get them.  At least with HP I can
still get parts and repair them myself.

 

 



From: Vicky Spelshaus [mailto:vicky.spelsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Computer BLOWS UP with spooler SubSystem App errors

 

Dell is what I've been using as well - we got killer pricing under the
state contract the year the HPs became problematic.  I've never looked
back.  And I too was someone who ONLY bought HP printers for years.
Well... and Epson for dot matrix.  (showing my age).

 


The Epson dot matrix and HP LJ5 series and older will be there with the
cockroaches and Twinkies  - at least as long as the electricity works
after armeggedon  :-)

 


 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Phil Brutsche 
wrote:

Dell sells rebranded Lexmarks.


Marty Nelson wrote:
> Well we said heck with it and went with a Dell 2330.  Hopefully HP
> doesn't make them...



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p...@optimumdata.com


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RE: AT&T SMTP server problems

[Gene Giannamore]

Had same exact problem with a Verizon usb727. Coworker handed over his v740 to 
try out, and sending worked again. Should be getting a replacement pc770 2 in 1 
in a few days. Took 1 minute on phone with my Verizon sales rep to resolve, and 
we are a very small business account.
I am extremely happy with the way we get treated by our Verizon rep. Nice 
discounts, friendly prompt service, WOW.




Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185Cell
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
www.abideinternational.com


From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: AT&T SMTP server problems

My boss has AT&T wireless service and is reporting that he has been unable to 
send emails from his phone since yesterday afternoon. Anyone here know of any 
problems with AT&T wireless email? According to my boss, the smtp server for 
AT&T wireless is cwmx.com and it's not working. He also said that it would not 
surprise him if they changed that and neglected to tell anyone. :)

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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Steven M. Caesare]

That's awesome.. most folks I've talked to have at least a little halation

> -Original Message-
> From: Ames Matthew B [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:31 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> I had the same op in the UK about 3 years ago Was expensive but
> certainly the best "investment" of my money.  I had to stop wearing
> contacts due to scaring on the inside of my eye lids, so was back to
> glasses which was a pain.  Fortunately I don't suffer from the halo
> affect at all, although it was suggested I might.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: 05 August 2009 17:37
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> Yeah, it's great.
> 
> I still have some slight halo effect for high contrast scenes (i.e.
> lights at nite time), but the tradeoff is well worth it.
> 
> Not having to futz with glasses... not having the "tired eyes" after
> the contacts had been in my head for 12+ hours, etc...
> 
> -sc
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:33 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> >
> > I got lasik done when I was 41. That was, uh, some number of years
> ago.
> >
> > I was seeing at distance - blurred a bit by the drops and the
> > protective plastic lenses - on my way home. No, I didn't drive, but
> > being able to see the road signs on the way home added to the
> > blurriness, if you catch my meaning. It's something I hadn't been
> able
> > to do since the 5th grade.
> >
> > Yes, that was a long time ago, and as a relatively early adopter, it
> > cost a lot of money. I've never regretted it, despite the fact that I
> > needed reading glasses immediately thereafter.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Steven M. Caesare
> > wrote:
> > > Old enuff to know better, yet still manage to be an idiot most of
> > > the
> > time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ve needed corrective lenses since 7th grade. Glasses for several
> > years,
> > > then contacts. I had Lasik a year ago[1]. I need about +2.5
> diopters
> > of
> > > correction in each eye.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Lasik rocks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:17 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, how old are you?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I prefer to shrink the scale on most docs and have _TWO_ side by
> > > side
> > pages.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, actually, thas a lie.m almost always bouncing between
> > multiple
> > > windows, so when m editing I actually have a full height doc (@
> > 80%)on the
> > > right and then room on the left to get at other things (CMD
> windows,
> > emails,
> > > e)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > With a decent resolution monitor, and ClearType enabled, there are
> > very few
> > > cases where I find I need to use the Office Apps or a browser at
> > > 100%
> > scale.
> > > I find 75-80% works well, and I can usually get a full page in
> there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ditto for CMD window. I permanently crank the font down to a ~9
> > point(as
> > > well as go green-on-black) and can get a couple of 50-line tall
> > windows
> > > rolling without sucking up all the screen real estate.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lasik not included.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:23 AM
> > >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Two words: protrait mode.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I changed my 22" to portrait and have never looked back. PDF files,
> > page at
> > > a time and readabl  Websites, no scrolling to get to the bottom (or
> > > significantly less). Since most websites are aligned for 1024
> > horizontal
> > > resolution, you won't have to scroll left or right. And, I find I
> > prefer a
> > > long screen than a wide screen when remoting into servers.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Sherry Abercrombie
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the
> > HelpDesk/Desktop
> > > lead comes to my cube and asks this question: "Would you be willing
> > to give
> > > up one of your 19" monitors for a new 23" monitor Well DUH.
> > >
> > > So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sherry Abercrombie
> > >
> > > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
> > magic."
> > > Arthur C. Clarke
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Sure, why not.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

>  As long as you don’t have high intraocular pressure (i.e. lead up to
> glaucoma), you are probably good.
>
>
>
> As for the procedure, you want the straight dope of what it’s like?
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:03 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>
>
>
> Yup, I'm probably a good candidate, eyesight for distance hasn't changed in
> several years and I only have a slight astigmatism.  It's nice to hear from
> others that have had it done.  I'm only considering it now because I'm
> starting to need reading glasses some, and I don't want bifocals.  I've
> never had any kind of surgery, so the thought of something being pointed at
> my eyes and I am going to be semi aware of what is going on really freaks me
> out.  I'm a wimp, I can't watch when I give blood or have to have blood
> drawn for a blood test, I have to look the other direction.
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>
> Let us know what they say… if you are a good candidate, I think you’ll love
> it. ALtho it won’t help with the color issues..
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:35 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>
>
>
> I think I officially became an old fart a couple of weeks ago when I
> finally installed Office 2007.  The font color in most of the office
> applications is way to light for me to seeit's rather annoying and a
> co-worker who is the same age as I am did the same thing and he's
> complaining about the same thing, so I don't think it's just me.  Why is the
> font color and size setup like that Microsoft?  And now with this new
> monitor it's even worse...
>
>
>
> I've got an appt. next week for a preliminary exam for lasik eye
> surgery..
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:06 AM,  wrote:
>
>
> tony patton  wrote on 08/05/2009 10:12:04
> AM:
>
>
>
> > I'can see the photo :-(
> >
> > It's either Domino, Notes or the mail scanner :-(
>
>
> I'm a victim of Loathsome Notes, too, and I saw it. In fact, I was
> wondering how his neck didn't hurt, since he'd have to tilt his head back so
> often, to see the top monitors ... or I would, but then, I wear bifocals,
> having officially become an Old Fart in the last couple years ...
>
>
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Tony Patton
> > Desktop Operations Cavan
> > Ext 8078
> > Direct Dial 049 435 2878
> > email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com
> >
>
> >
>
> > James Rankin 
>
>
>
> > 05/08/2009 15:04
> >
>
>
> > Please respond to
>
>
> > "NT System Admin Issues" 
>
> >
> > To
> >
>
> > "NT System Admin Issues" 
>
>
> >
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
>
> >
> > Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > Pffft. Try my new 6 24" monitors. I am considering an upgrade to 8...
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/8/5 Sherry Abercrombie 
> > It wasn't give up 2 19's it was give up 1 of the 19's.  I now have a
> > 19" and a 23" monitor.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:21 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
>
> > I would not be willing to give up my two 19s for a 23. For a 27 yes.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Steven M. Caesare
>
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:09 AM
> > Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>
>
>
> > Correct answer: “Well, I might be willing to give it up for TWO 23
> inchers…”
> >
> > -sc
> >
>
> > From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:04 AM
>
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>
>
> > Subject: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
>
> >
> > So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the
> > HelpDesk/Desktop lead comes to my cube and asks this question:
> > "Would you be willing to give up one of your 19" monitors for a new
> > 23" monitor?"Well DUH.
> >
> > So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.
> >
> > --
> > Sherry Abercrombie
> >
> > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
> > Arthur C. Clarke
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
>
> > Sherry Abercrombie
> >
> > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
> > Arthur C. Clarke
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > --
> > "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put
> > into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I
> > am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that
> > could provoke such a question."
> >
> > http://raythestray.blogspot.com
>
>
> >
> >
>
> > 
> > http://www.quinn-insurance.com
> >
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Re: VBScript Regular expression help

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Christopher
Bodnar wrote:
> This does exactly what I want it to do, for the “{“ character:
> myRegExp.Pattern = "[^{]*\{([^}]*)\}"
> I want the exact same function, but for the double quote character.

  First, an optimization.  The above pattern, expanded with whitespace
for clarity, is:

[^{]*   \{   ([^}]*   )   \}

  Translated to English: Zero-or-more characters which are not an
opening-brace, followed by opening-brace, followed by a grouping of
zero-or-more characters which are not a closing-brace, followed by a
closing-brace.

  I'm pretty sure you don't need that leading "zero-or-more characters
which are not an opening-brace" part.  Regular expressions use partial
matching by default.  So unless you anchor the pattern (start with ^
and/or end with $), there's no point.  So here's a slightly simpler
version of your pattern:

\{   ([^}]*   )   \}

  Translated to English: An opening-brace, followed by a grouping of
zero-or-more characters which are not a closing-brace, followed by a
closing-brace.

  So to do the same for a double-quote:

"   (   [^"]   )   "

  Back in VB syntax:

myRegExp.Pattern =  """([^""])"""

  This assumes quotes are always balanced and never nested.  You can't
cope with that kind of complexity with standard regular expression
syntax.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: VBScript Regular expression help

[Christopher Bodnar]

Thanks for the reply Mike, ended up with this for the Pattern. Does
exactly what I was looking for:

 

Dim myRegExp, myMatches, myMatch

 

 
Set myRegExp = New RegExp

 

 
myRegExp.Pattern = "[^\x22]*"

 
myRegExp.Global = True

 
Set myMatches = myRegExp.Execute(strQueryString)



 
For Each myMatch In myMatches

 
WScript.Echo myMatch.value

 
objTxtFile.WriteLine myMatch.value

 


 
Next 

 

Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

  _  

From: mikeMitchell [mailto:its.m...@analogy.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VBScript Regular expression help

 

How about...

set re = new regexp

re.Global = true

re.Pattern = """(.*?)""" 

set oM = re.execute(a)

for each str in oM: Wscript.echo replace(str,,"",1,-1,1): next

 

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:09 am
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VBScript Regular expression help

 

Can someone help me out with a regular expression in VBScript? 

 

This does exactly what I want it to do, for the "{" character:

 

myRegExp.Pattern = "[^{]*\{([^}]*)\}"

 

So if my string is the following:


("Select * FROM {SQL_TABLE} Where Field={SQL_FIELD}")

 

It returns:

 

SQL_TABLE

SQL_FIELD

 

I want the exact same function, but for the double quote character. For
example my string will look something like this:

 

("SERVER1", "SERVER2", "SERVER3")

 

And I'd like to return:

 

SERVER1

SERVER2

SERVER3

I know you have to escape the quote character, but I'm not having any luck
with the pattern so far. 

 

Thanks,

Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

 

 

 
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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Todd Lemmiksoo]

I wish I could have Lasik, been turned down 3 times. Good luck!



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09



Let us know what they say... if you are a good candidate, I think you'll
love it. ALtho it won't help with the color issues..

 

-sc

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

 

I think I officially became an old fart a couple of weeks ago when I
finally installed Office 2007.  The font color in most of the office
applications is way to light for me to seeit's rather annoying and a
co-worker who is the same age as I am did the same thing and he's
complaining about the same thing, so I don't think it's just me.  Why is
the font color and size setup like that Microsoft?  And now with this
new monitor it's even worse...

I've got an appt. next week for a preliminary exam for lasik eye
surgery..

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:06 AM,  wrote:


tony patton  wrote on 08/05/2009
10:12:04 AM:



> I'can see the photo :-( 
> 
> It's either Domino, Notes or the mail scanner :-( 


I'm a victim of Loathsome Notes, too, and I saw it. In fact, I was
wondering how his neck didn't hurt, since he'd have to tilt his head
back so often, to see the top monitors ... or I would, but then, I wear
bifocals, having officially become an Old Fart in the last couple years
... 


> 
> Regards
> 
> Tony Patton
> Desktop Operations Cavan
> Ext 8078
> Direct Dial 049 435 2878
> email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com 
> 

> 

> James Rankin  

 

> 05/08/2009 15:04 
> 
> Please respond to
> "NT System Admin Issues"  

> 
> To 
> 

> "NT System Admin Issues"  


> 
> cc 
> 
> Subject 

> 
> Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09 

> 
> 
> 
> 

> Pffft. Try my new 6 24" monitors. I am considering an upgrade to 8...
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/8/5 Sherry Abercrombie  
> It wasn't give up 2 19's it was give up 1 of the 19's.  I now have a
> 19" and a 23" monitor.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:21 AM, James Kerr 
wrote: 
> I would not be willing to give up my two 19s for a 23. For a 27 yes. 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Steven M. Caesare 
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:09 AM 
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09 

 

> Correct answer: "Well, I might be willing to give it up for TWO 23
inchers..." 
>   
> -sc 
>   
> From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:04 AM 
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09 
>   
> So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the 
> HelpDesk/Desktop lead comes to my cube and asks this question:  
> "Would you be willing to give up one of your 19" monitors for a new 
> 23" monitor?"Well DUH.
> 
> So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.
> 
> -- 
> Sherry Abercrombie
> 
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic." 
> Arthur C. Clarke 
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sherry Abercrombie
> 
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic." 
> Arthur C. Clarke 
>   
>   
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put
> into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I 
> am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that
> could provoke such a question."
> 
> http://raythestray.blogspot.com 
>   
>   

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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Steven M. Caesare]

As long as you don't have high intraocular pressure (i.e. lead up to
glaucoma), you are probably good.

 

As for the procedure, you want the straight dope of what it's like?

 

-sc

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

 

Yup, I'm probably a good candidate, eyesight for distance hasn't changed
in several years and I only have a slight astigmatism.  It's nice to
hear from others that have had it done.  I'm only considering it now
because I'm starting to need reading glasses some, and I don't want
bifocals.  I've never had any kind of surgery, so the thought of
something being pointed at my eyes and I am going to be semi aware of
what is going on really freaks me out.  I'm a wimp, I can't watch when I
give blood or have to have blood drawn for a blood test, I have to look
the other direction.  

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

Let us know what they say... if you are a good candidate, I think you'll
love it. ALtho it won't help with the color issues..

 

-sc

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

 

I think I officially became an old fart a couple of weeks ago when I
finally installed Office 2007.  The font color in most of the office
applications is way to light for me to seeit's rather annoying and a
co-worker who is the same age as I am did the same thing and he's
complaining about the same thing, so I don't think it's just me.  Why is
the font color and size setup like that Microsoft?  And now with this
new monitor it's even worse...



I've got an appt. next week for a preliminary exam for lasik eye
surgery..

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:06 AM,  wrote:


tony patton  wrote on 08/05/2009
10:12:04 AM:



> I'can see the photo :-( 
> 
> It's either Domino, Notes or the mail scanner :-( 


I'm a victim of Loathsome Notes, too, and I saw it. In fact, I was
wondering how his neck didn't hurt, since he'd have to tilt his head
back so often, to see the top monitors ... or I would, but then, I wear
bifocals, having officially become an Old Fart in the last couple years
... 


> 
> Regards
> 
> Tony Patton
> Desktop Operations Cavan
> Ext 8078
> Direct Dial 049 435 2878
> email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com 
> 

> 

> James Rankin  

 

> 05/08/2009 15:04 
> 


> Please respond to


> "NT System Admin Issues" 

> 
> To 
> 

> "NT System Admin Issues"  


> 
> cc 
> 
> Subject 

> 
> Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09 

> 
> 
> 
> 

> Pffft. Try my new 6 24" monitors. I am considering an upgrade to 8...


> 
> 
> 
> 2009/8/5 Sherry Abercrombie  
> It wasn't give up 2 19's it was give up 1 of the 19's.  I now have a
> 19" and a 23" monitor.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:21 AM, James Kerr 
wrote: 
> I would not be willing to give up my two 19s for a 23. For a 27 yes. 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Steven M. Caesare 

> To: NT System Admin Issues 

> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:09 AM 
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09 

 

> Correct answer: "Well, I might be willing to give it up for TWO 23
inchers..." 
>   
> -sc 
>   

> From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:04 AM 

> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues 


> Subject: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09 

>   
> So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the 
> HelpDesk/Desktop lead comes to my cube and asks this question:  
> "Would you be willing to give up one of your 19" monitors for a new 
> 23" monitor?"Well DUH.
> 
> So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.
> 
> -- 
> Sherry Abercrombie
> 
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic." 
> Arthur C. Clarke 
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   


> 
> 
> 
> -- 

> Sherry Abercrombie
> 
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic." 
> Arthur C. Clarke 


>   
>   
> 
> 
> 

> -- 
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put
> into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I 
> am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that
> could provoke such a question."
> 
> http://raythestray.blogspot.com 


>   
>   

> 
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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Ames Matthew B]

I had the same op in the UK about 3 years ago Was expensive but certainly 
the best "investment" of my money.  I had to stop wearing contacts due to 
scaring on the inside of my eye lids, so was back to glasses which was a pain.  
Fortunately I don't suffer from the halo affect at all, although it was 
suggested I might. 

-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: 05 August 2009 17:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

Yeah, it's great.

I still have some slight halo effect for high contrast scenes (i.e. lights at 
nite time), but the tradeoff is well worth it.

Not having to futz with glasses... not having the "tired eyes" after the 
contacts had been in my head for 12+ hours, etc...

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> I got lasik done when I was 41. That was, uh, some number of years ago.
> 
> I was seeing at distance - blurred a bit by the drops and the 
> protective plastic lenses - on my way home. No, I didn't drive, but 
> being able to see the road signs on the way home added to the 
> blurriness, if you catch my meaning. It's something I hadn't been able 
> to do since the 5th grade.
> 
> Yes, that was a long time ago, and as a relatively early adopter, it 
> cost a lot of money. I've never regretted it, despite the fact that I 
> needed reading glasses immediately thereafter.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Steven M. Caesare
> wrote:
> > Old enuff to know better, yet still manage to be an idiot most of 
> > the
> time.
> >
> >
> >
> > ve needed corrective lenses since 7th grade. Glasses for several
> years,
> > then contacts. I had Lasik a year ago[1]. I need about +2.5 diopters
> of
> > correction in each eye.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] Lasik rocks.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:17 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> >
> >
> >
> > Out of curiosity, how old are you?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > I prefer to shrink the scale on most docs and have _TWO_ side by 
> > side
> pages.
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, actually, thas a lie.m almost always bouncing between
> multiple
> > windows, so when m editing I actually have a full height doc (@
> 80%)on the
> > right and then room on the left to get at other things (CMD windows,
> emails,
> > e)
> >
> >
> >
> > With a decent resolution monitor, and ClearType enabled, there are
> very few
> > cases where I find I need to use the Office Apps or a browser at 
> > 100%
> scale.
> > I find 75-80% works well, and I can usually get a full page in there.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ditto for CMD window. I permanently crank the font down to a ~9
> point(as
> > well as go green-on-black) and can get a couple of 50-line tall
> windows
> > rolling without sucking up all the screen real estate.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lasik not included.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:23 AM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> >
> >
> >
> > Two words: protrait mode.
> >
> >
> >
> > I changed my 22" to portrait and have never looked back. PDF files,
> page at
> > a time and readabl  Websites, no scrolling to get to the bottom (or 
> > significantly less). Since most websites are aligned for 1024
> horizontal
> > resolution, you won't have to scroll left or right. And, I find I
> prefer a
> > long screen than a wide screen when remoting into servers.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Sherry Abercrombie
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the
> HelpDesk/Desktop
> > lead comes to my cube and asks this question: "Would you be willing
> to give
> > up one of your 19" monitors for a new 23" monitor Well DUH.
> >
> > So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.
> >
> > --
> > Sherry Abercrombie
> >
> > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
> magic."
> > Arthur C. Clarke
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RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09

[Steven M. Caesare]

That's a "glorious" 97 seconds! GLORIOUS DAMMIT!!

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Tinney [mailto:jtin...@lastar.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> >  She got a big rock. ;-)
> 
> ..for 97 seconds.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:48 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> 
> Hehe... ya.
> 
> Got mine as a anniversary gift from the wife (she works at a Optical
> Surgeon's office)
> 
> One of the best gifts ever.
> 
> She got a big rock. ;-)
> 
> -sc
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:35 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> >
> > Best $3000 I ever spent. I still don't need reading glasses, my arms
> > are long enough.
> > John W. Cook
> > Systems Administrator
> > Partnership For Strong Families
> >  Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Kurt Buff 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues 
> > Sent: Wed Aug 05 12:32:35 2009
> > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> >
> > I got lasik done when I was 41. That was, uh, some number of years
> ago.
> >
> > I was seeing at distance - blurred a bit by the drops and the
> > protective plastic lenses - on my way home. No, I didn't drive, but
> > being able to see the road signs on the way home added to the
> > blurriness, if you catch my meaning. It's something I hadn't been
> able
> > to do since the 5th grade.
> >
> > Yes, that was a long time ago, and as a relatively early adopter, it
> > cost a lot of money. I've never regretted it, despite the fact that I
> > needed reading glasses immediately thereafter.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 07:33, Steven M. Caesare
> > wrote:
> > > Old enuff to know better, yet still manage to be an idiot most of
> > > the
> > time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ive needed corrective lenses since 7th grade. Glasses for several
> > years,
> > > then contacts. I had Lasik a year ago[1]. I need about +2.5
> diopters
> > of
> > > correction in each eye.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] Lasik rocks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:17 AM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, how old are you?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I prefer to shrink the scale on most docs and have _TWO_ side by
> > > side
> > pages.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, actually, thats a lie. m almost always bouncing between
> > multiple
> > > windows, so when m editing I actually have a full height doc (@
> > 80%)on the
> > > right and then room on the left to get at other things (CMD
> windows,
> > emails,
> > > et)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > With a decent resolution monitor, and ClearType enabled, there are
> > very few
> > > cases where I find I need to use the Office Apps or a browser at
> > > 100%
> > scale.
> > > I find 75-80% works well, and I can usually get a full page in
> there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ditto for CMD window. I permanently crank the font down to a ~9
> > point(as
> > > well as go green-on-black) and can get a couple of 50-line tall
> > windows
> > > rolling without sucking up all the screen real estate.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lasik not included.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:23 AM
> > >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: The "Duh" Question of the Day 8/4/09
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Two words: protrait mode.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I changed my 22" to portrait and have never looked back.  PDF
> files,
> > page at
> > > a time and readable.  Websites, no scrolling to get to the bottom
> > > (or significantly less).  Since most websites are aligned for 1024
> > horizontal
> > > resolution, you won't have to scroll left or right.  And, I find I
> > prefer a
> > > long screen than a wide screen when remoting into servers.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Sherry Abercrombie
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > So yesterday afternoon just before I leave for the day, the
> > HelpDesk/Desktop
> > > lead comes to my cube and asks this question:  "Would you be
> willing
> > to give
> > > up one of your 19" monitors for a new 23" monitor?"Well
> DUH.
> > >
> > > So now I get to setup my new 23" Samsung monitor.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sherry Abercrombie
> > >
> > > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
> > magic."
> > > Arthur C. Clarke
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>