Re: Server Core help

2010-12-22 Thread Steven Peck
Bing search on How to configure system failure and recovery options in
Windows 2008

Came up with http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307973 which is windows 2003
but similar to

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee424384%28WS.10%29.aspx
If you modify Step 4 to wmic RECOVEROS set AutoReboot = false it should
work





On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Justin Thomas jat...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need my server core machine to not automatically restart on failure.
 Anyone know how to accomplish this? msconfig is not a part of core.

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Re: Server Core help

2010-12-22 Thread Justin Thomas
Perfect, Thanks!

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bing search on How to configure system failure and recovery options in
 Windows 2008

 Came up with http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307973 which is windows 2003
 but similar to

 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee424384%28WS.10%29.aspx
 If you modify Step 4 to wmic RECOVEROS set AutoReboot = false it should
 work





 On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Justin Thomas jat...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need my server core machine to not automatically restart on failure.
 Anyone know how to accomplish this? msconfig is not a part of core.

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RE: Server Core Updates

2010-10-07 Thread Carl Houseman
I'm not familiar with Server Core 2008 R2 per se, but I know Hyper-V R2
which is pretty much managed the same as Core, and there the sconfig.cmd
menu has this option:

 

6) Download and Install Updates

 

If you have that option, choose it and have it search for and install
updates.

 

If that doesn't work, check the \windows\windowsupdate.log after using that
option.

 

Carl

 

From: Bob Anderson [mailto:bander...@kentwatersports.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server Core Updates

 

Hello,

I have a 2008 R2 Server core server virtualized with Hyper-V
on a 2008 server.  It is set to Automatic updates and WSUS says they are all
downloaded but it has never applied any updates when I use sconfig it says
updates have never been applied.  I am at a loss to figure out why it won't
apply the updates. This is my first Server Core server so I am learning as I
go.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Bob Anderson

 

IT Manager

Kent Sporting Goods Inc.

433 Park Ave. S

New London OH 44851

419-929-7021 x315

P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.

 

 

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RE: Server Core

2010-06-06 Thread Malcolm Reitz
I've always struggled with the point of Core. Core sounds appealing, until you 
consider it doesn't save much patching and it requires a different support 
model. I had a long discussion with a senior MCS guy about whether Core was a 
fit for us and one of the things he said stuck with me, that many MCS 
consultants mostly saw Core as a Microsoft answer to single-purpose Linux boxes 
in the data center (for example, running DHCP or DNS).

-Malcolm

-Original Message-
From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 16:41
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server Core

What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the adoption of 
Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal, particularly based on all 
the desire for the features from customers and the amount of dev that went into 
them. Less than 10% of expectations I was told.

Those I have heard speak about it are pretty disappointed considering that 80% 
of the AD dev time in the 2K3 timeframe was devoted to Branch Office 
functionalityfunctionality that customers were screaming for

-Original Message-
From: Chris Blair [mailto:chris_bl...@identisys.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server Core

They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test.



-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the 
better, IMHO.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but 
 to
  “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that 
 reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack 
 surface for those server roles.”
  
 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-insta
 llation.aspx

 Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the 
 original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the 
 same-

 From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx

 Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:

 AD DS
 AD LDS
 DNS
 DHCP
 File Services
 Print Services
 Streaming Media Services
 Web Server (IIS)
 Hyper-V

 This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage 
 scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways 
 that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more 
 reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain:

 Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS 
 servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on 
 Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way.
 Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more 
 secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, 
 they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices 
 where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less 
 physical security than at your head office location. For example, you 
 might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain 
 controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office.
 Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role 
 on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple 
 servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This 
 can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and 
 your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V 
 also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing.
 Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory 
 requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life 
 out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail 
 or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to 
 become network infrastructure servers running Server Core.

 Non-Usage Scenarios

 What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand 
 is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed 
 previously.
 Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform 
 for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL 
 Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't 
 use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft 
 Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it 
 to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server 
 Core is not an application hosting platform.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core



 Uh,



 So what needs a GUI on top?



 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11

RE: Server Core

2010-06-06 Thread Malcolm Reitz
I know you can run the SCCM 2007 SP2 client and the latest SEP client on Core. 
I would be a bit surprised if some of those other 3rd-party clients support 
Core, though.

 

Additionally, I’d ask what you are trying to accomplish by running all your DCs 
on Core. I’m not sure the small reduction in attack surface or in patch 
requirements is worth the support issues and reduced functionality in many 
cases.

 

-Malcolm

 

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 07:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

 

I've been reading this thread pretty closely since we will be brining up a 2008 
test domain very shortly.  My thoughts were to do Core for all the DCs. My 
concern now is all the client/Agent software that the current DCs require. For 
example: 

Adiscon client 
Asset Insight client 
Blue Coat proxy agent 
Big brother agent 
SCCM/SMS client 
SAV/SEP Antivirus client 
TSM client 

Will any of these run on Core? Love to hear from someone who has gone through 
this. 

Thanks, 



Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Systems Engineer
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003 



From:David Lum david@nwea.org 
To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
Date:06/03/2010 02:19 PM 
Subject:Server Core 

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Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are 
remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? 
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NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
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Re: Server Core

2010-06-04 Thread James Rankin
How do people manage patching on Server Core installations? Can you just
apply the GPOs for WSUS in the same way? How do admins log on to install
updates?

On 3 June 2010 21:02, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote:

 *I put ALL DCs on Server Core given the opportunity.*

 * *

 *It also supports lots of other roles so… *

 * *

 *Personally if I worked in an environment where I had admins who were all
 sufficiently skilled I’d put every box I could on Server Core, but, I
 recognize reality. Very few places I’ve been where this would have been
 doable. *

 * *

 *Thanks,*

 *Brian Desmond*

 *br...@briandesmond.com*

 * *

 *c   – 312.731.3132*

 * *

 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:19 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses
 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

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 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
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RE: Server Core

2010-06-04 Thread Joseph L. Casale
How do people manage patching on Server Core installations? Can you just apply 
the GPOs for WSUS in the same way? How do admins log on to install updates?

You can use WSUS, edit the registry, log on and use supplied scripts at the 
shell.
Pretty much no difference.

jlc

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Re: Server Core

2010-06-04 Thread Christopher Bodnar
I've been reading this thread pretty closely since we will be brining up a 
2008 test domain very shortly.  My thoughts were to do Core for all the 
DCs. My concern now is all the client/Agent software that the current DCs 
require. For example:

Adiscon client
Asset Insight client
Blue Coat proxy agent
Big brother agent
SCCM/SMS client
SAV/SEP Antivirus client
TSM client

Will any of these run on Core? Love to hear from someone who has gone 
through this.

Thanks,



Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Systems Engineer
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003



From:   David Lum david@nwea.org
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date:   06/03/2010 02:19 PM
Subject:Server Core



Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses 
are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
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Re: Server Core

2010-06-04 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Personally, other than File servers, Exchange servers, SMTP email servers,
and Share Point servers (i.e. servers with user content and access), I
haven't had AV detect anything in a number of years.  Sample size is about a
half-dozen environments ranging from 20 users (5 servers) to 4000 users
(300+ servers)

As for the others, I think I'll build a Server Core system in my virtual
environment and start testing these things out.  It is certainly worth
knowing...

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker


On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Christopher Bodnar 
christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote:

 I've been reading this thread pretty closely since we will be brining up a
 2008 test domain very shortly.  My thoughts were to do Core for all the DCs.
 My concern now is all the client/Agent software that the current DCs
 require. For example:

 Adiscon client
 Asset Insight client
 Blue Coat proxy agent
 Big brother agent
 SCCM/SMS client
 SAV/SEP Antivirus client
 TSM client

 Will any of these run on Core? Love to hear from someone who has gone
 through this.

 Thanks,



 Chris Bodnar, MCSE
 Systems Engineer
 Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
 Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
 Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
 Phone: 610-807-6459
 Fax: 610-807-6003



 From:David Lum david@nwea.org
 To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 
 Date:06/03/2010 02:19 PM
 Subject:Server Core
 --



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses
 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?
 *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
 (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764


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RE: Server Core

2010-06-04 Thread Damien Solodow
The SEP client is supported on 2008 Server Core per their documentation.

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

 

Personally, other than File servers, Exchange servers, SMTP email
servers, and Share Point servers (i.e. servers with user content and
access), I haven't had AV detect anything in a number of years.  Sample
size is about a half-dozen environments ranging from 20 users (5
servers) to 4000 users (300+ servers)

 

As for the others, I think I'll build a Server Core system in my virtual
environment and start testing these things out.  It is certainly worth
knowing...


-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker



On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Christopher Bodnar
christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote:

I've been reading this thread pretty closely since we will be brining up
a 2008 test domain very shortly.  My thoughts were to do Core for all
the DCs. My concern now is all the client/Agent software that the
current DCs require. For example: 

Adiscon client 
Asset Insight client 
Blue Coat proxy agent 
Big brother agent 
SCCM/SMS client 
SAV/SEP Antivirus client 
TSM client 

Will any of these run on Core? Love to hear from someone who has gone
through this. 

Thanks, 



Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Systems Engineer
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003 



From:David Lum david@nwea.org 
To:NT System Admin Issues
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
Date:06/03/2010 02:19 PM 

Subject:Server Core 






Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical
uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? 
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764  

 

 

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RE: Server Core

2010-06-04 Thread Brian Desmond
Yeah you can just use WSUS or whatever the same way. I have a vbscript I use 
that continues to work. You can even login and execute the patches from the 
cmdline if you want I guess.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

How do people manage patching on Server Core installations? Can you just apply 
the GPOs for WSUS in the same way? How do admins log on to install updates?
On 3 June 2010 21:02, Brian Desmond 
br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com wrote:
I put ALL DCs on Server Core given the opportunity.

It also supports lots of other roles so...

Personally if I worked in an environment where I had admins who were all 
sufficiently skilled I'd put every box I could on Server Core, but, I recognize 
reality. Very few places I've been where this would have been doable.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server Core

Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are 
remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764












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On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the 
machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.





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RE: Server Core - answered my own Q

2010-06-03 Thread David Lum
I KNEW I'd answer my own question right after hitting SEND:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx

Dave

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server Core

Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are 
remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764






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RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Michael B. Smith
Server core is good for anything that doesn't need a gui on top.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server Core

Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are 
remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764






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Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
Uh,

So what needs a GUI on top?

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses
 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764











~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



Re: Server Core - answered my own Q

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
Which is all the incentive you need to send as soon as you think of a
question, right?

:)

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:21, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 I KNEW I’d answer my own question right after hitting SEND:



 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx



 Dave



 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses
 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764











~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Michael B. Smith
Exchange for example. Most AV engines. Blah blah blah.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

Uh,

So what needs a GUI on top?

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical 
 uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764











~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kim Longenbaugh
That's what a lot of former Novell admins used to say, including myself.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

Uh,

So what needs a GUI on top?

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses
 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764











~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
Exchange? Huh. I would have thought that could be managed remotely. Interesting.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:32, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Exchange for example. Most AV engines. Blah blah blah.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:31 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core

 Uh,

 So what needs a GUI on top?

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical
 uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764











 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
Haven't touched Novell since 3.12 - back in the '90s.

FreeBSD is the non-GUI platform I implement now.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:34, Kim Longenbaugh k...@colonialsavings.com wrote:
 That's what a lot of former Novell admins used to say, including myself.

 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core

 Uh,

 So what needs a GUI on top?

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses
 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764











 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph L. Casale
FreeBSD is the non-GUI platform I implement now.

Ahh Kurt,
There's hope for you yet:)

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:47, Joseph L. Casale
jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote:
FreeBSD is the non-GUI platform I implement now.

 Ahh Kurt,
 There's hope for you yet:)

Heh.

I doubt it. I have a 9-month old boy...

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Richard Stovall
Are you kidding?  That's *why* there's hope for you.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:47, Joseph L. Casale
 jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote:
 FreeBSD is the non-GUI platform I implement now.
 
  Ahh Kurt,
  There's hope for you yet:)

 Heh.

 I doubt it. I have a 9-month old boy...

 Kurt

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core - answered my own Q

2010-06-03 Thread Jonathan Link
I do that all the time.  The act of phrasing a question for the list
generally reorders my mind enough to try a different search pattern.  I must
have 20 drafts of questions that I start typing out and never finish because
the lighbulb goes off before I've clicked send.

You do have to send a lot of stuff to the list to get to that point.



On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:21 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:

  I KNEW I’d answer my own question right after hitting SEND:



 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx



 Dave



 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:19 AM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses
 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core - answered my own Q

2010-06-03 Thread John Aldrich
Yeah. I did that with my question earlier today about printing in Vista. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core - answered my own Q

 

I do that all the time.  The act of phrasing a question for the list
generally reorders my mind enough to try a different search pattern.  I must
have 20 drafts of questions that I start typing out and never finish because
the lighbulb goes off before I've clicked send.

 

You do have to send a lot of stuff to the list to get to that point.



 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:21 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:

I KNEW I'd answer my own question right after hitting SEND:

 

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx

 

Dave

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server Core

 

Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses
are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Michael B. Smith
It can be managed remotely. I don't know exactly what the dependency on GUI is 
(never thought to ask, actually), but it won't install on server core. 
Interesting question to ask though...

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

Exchange? Huh. I would have thought that could be managed remotely. Interesting.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:32, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Exchange for example. Most AV engines. Blah blah blah.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:31 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core

 Uh,

 So what needs a GUI on top?

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical 
 uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764











 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
Only from a personal point of view - professionally speaking, I now
have less time learn and spend on overtime than I had before, and I'm
tied to a more constrained schedule at work.

I don't mind that a bit - Wouldn't give up my time with the boy for
the ten times the pay, but it crimps the work something fierce.
Nowadays I can't call my wife at work and say I'm staying late today
just because I need to finish some task or other. It needs to be a
true emergency, because I'm the one to pick the boy up from daycare,
as she commutes by bus, and we have to arrange to have a friend to
pick up the boy when I can't.

IT is, as you and everyone else here knows, a very demanding
profession - to really advance and do good work, you have to put in
the hours - especially if, as most people here seem to be, you're a
generalist, and not specialized in a small corner of the IT world. Add
chronic lack of resources, and it gets harder yet.

Kurt

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:59, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are you kidding?  That's *why* there's hope for you.

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:47, Joseph L. Casale
 jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote:
 FreeBSD is the non-GUI platform I implement now.
 
  Ahh Kurt,
  There's hope for you yet:)

 Heh.

 I doubt it. I have a 9-month old boy...

 Kurt

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
Certainly not a burning issue, but if you ever get an answer on that,
it would be interesting to hear the response.

Kurt

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:16, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 It can be managed remotely. I don't know exactly what the dependency on GUI 
 is (never thought to ask, actually), but it won't install on server core. 
 Interesting question to ask though...

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:36 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core

 Exchange? Huh. I would have thought that could be managed remotely. 
 Interesting.

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:32, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Exchange for example. Most AV engines. Blah blah blah.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:31 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core

 Uh,

 So what needs a GUI on top?

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical
 uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764











 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Jay Dale
I would assume to troubleshoot if there are local issues with connectivity.

Jay Dale
I.T. Manager, 3GiG
Mobile: 713.299.2541
Email: jay.d...@3-gig.com

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-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server Core

It can be managed remotely. I don't know exactly what the dependency on GUI is 
(never thought to ask, actually), but it won't install on server core. 
Interesting question to ask though...

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

Exchange? Huh. I would have thought that could be managed remotely. Interesting.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:32, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Exchange for example. Most AV engines. Blah blah blah.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:31 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core

 Uh,

 So what needs a GUI on top?

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Server Core



 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical 
 uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764











 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Free, Bob
Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to  
“provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces 
the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those 
server roles.”  
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx

Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 
9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same-

From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx 

Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:

*   AD DS 
*   AD LDS 
*   DNS 
*   DHCP 
*   File Services 
*   Print Services 
*   Streaming Media Services 
*   Web Server (IIS) 
*   Hyper-V

This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for 
Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use 
Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, 
and easier to maintain:

*   Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS 
servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core 
can strengthen this backbone in every way. 
*   Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more 
secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are 
ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few 
(or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at 
your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core 
installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security 
at a branch office. 
*   Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role 
on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a 
single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO 
by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management 
costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for 
deployment testing. 
*   Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory 
requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of 
old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database 
servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network 
infrastructure servers running Server Core.

Non-Usage Scenarios

What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that 
Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. 
Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for 
running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or 
third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running 
Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And 
you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've 
developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting 
platform. 

 

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

 

Uh,

 

So what needs a GUI on top?

 

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.

 

 

 

 Regards,

 

 

 

 Michael B. Smith

 

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

 

 

 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]

 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM

 To: NT System Admin Issues

 Subject: Server Core

 

 

 

 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses

 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?

 

 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER

 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION

 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph L. Casale
I would assume to troubleshoot if there are local issues with connectivity.

You can still log on manually to a phys console and execute powershell...

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Jay Dale
Agreed, unless you're PS challenged like myself...:)

Jay Dale
I.T. Manager, 3GiG
Mobile: 713.299.2541
Email: jay.d...@3-gig.com

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-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server Core

I would assume to troubleshoot if there are local issues with connectivity.

You can still log on manually to a phys console and execute powershell...

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on
core, the better, IMHO.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to
  “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that
 reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface
 for those server roles.”
  http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx

 Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the
 original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same-

 From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx

 Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:

 AD DS
 AD LDS
 DNS
 DHCP
 File Services
 Print Services
 Streaming Media Services
 Web Server (IIS)
 Hyper-V

 This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios
 for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could
 use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to
 manage, and easier to maintain:

 Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers
 are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can
 strengthen this backbone in every way.
 Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and
 require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for
 use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no)
 information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your
 head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core
 installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added
 security at a branch office.
 Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on
 Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a
 single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your
 TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and
 management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient
 environment for deployment testing.
 Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory
 requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out
 of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or
 database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network
 infrastructure servers running Server Core.

 Non-Usage Scenarios

 What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that
 Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously.
 Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for
 running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server,
 or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for
 running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint
 Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom
 applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an
 application hosting platform.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core



 Uh,



 So what needs a GUI on top?



 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:

 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.







 Regards,







 Michael B. Smith



 Consultant and Exchange MVP



 http://TheEssentialExchange.com







 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]

 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM

 To: NT System Admin Issues

 Subject: Server Core







 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses

 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?



 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER

 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION

 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764























 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~







~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Chris Blair
They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test.



-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on
core, the better, IMHO.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to
  “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that
 reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface
 for those server roles.”
  http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx

 Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the
 original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same-

 From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx

 Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:

 AD DS
 AD LDS
 DNS
 DHCP
 File Services
 Print Services
 Streaming Media Services
 Web Server (IIS)
 Hyper-V

 This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios
 for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could
 use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to
 manage, and easier to maintain:

 Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers
 are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can
 strengthen this backbone in every way.
 Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and
 require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for
 use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no)
 information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your
 head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core
 installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added
 security at a branch office.
 Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on
 Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a
 single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your
 TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and
 management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient
 environment for deployment testing.
 Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory
 requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out
 of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or
 database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network
 infrastructure servers running Server Core.

 Non-Usage Scenarios

 What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that
 Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously.
 Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for
 running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server,
 or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for
 running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint
 Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom
 applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an
 application hosting platform.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core



 Uh,



 So what needs a GUI on top?



 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:

 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.







 Regards,







 Michael B. Smith



 Consultant and Exchange MVP



 http://TheEssentialExchange.com







 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]

 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM

 To: NT System Admin Issues

 Subject: Server Core







 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses

 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?



 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER

 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION

 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764























 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~







~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to  
“provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces 
the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those 
server roles.”  
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx
Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 
9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same-
From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx 

/snip

Well, I have never, actually ever administered a Linux server that had a gui.
I have seen them though:) Every service I have ever provided on one didn’t need
it, it’s a silly req.

How exactly is Exchange any different from ADC from an Admin perspective?

I would put my money more towards the fact that the exchange team isn’t the
platform team etc... They never built v2010 with the requirement in mind
versus an actually genuine technical reason, but that’s just an assumption...

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
Test? You mean certification?

Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995.

Kurt

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote:
 They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core

 Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on
 core, the better, IMHO.

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to
  “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that
 reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface
 for those server roles.”
  http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx

 Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the
 original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same-

 From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx

 Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:

 AD DS
 AD LDS
 DNS
 DHCP
 File Services
 Print Services
 Streaming Media Services
 Web Server (IIS)
 Hyper-V

 This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios
 for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could
 use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to
 manage, and easier to maintain:

 Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers
 are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can
 strengthen this backbone in every way.
 Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and
 require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for
 use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no)
 information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your
 head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core
 installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added
 security at a branch office.
 Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on
 Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a
 single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your
 TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and
 management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient
 environment for deployment testing.
 Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory
 requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out
 of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or
 database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network
 infrastructure servers running Server Core.

 Non-Usage Scenarios

 What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that
 Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously.
 Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for
 running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server,
 or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for
 running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint
 Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom
 applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an
 application hosting platform.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core



 Uh,



 So what needs a GUI on top?



 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:

 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.







 Regards,







 Michael B. Smith



 Consultant and Exchange MVP



 http://TheEssentialExchange.com







 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]

 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM

 To: NT System Admin Issues

 Subject: Server Core







 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses

 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?



 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER

 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION

 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764























 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~







 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Brian Desmond
I put ALL DCs on Server Core given the opportunity.

It also supports lots of other roles so...

Personally if I worked in an environment where I had admins who were all 
sufficiently skilled I'd put every box I could on Server Core, but, I recognize 
reality. Very few places I've been where this would have been doable.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server Core

Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are 
remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Brian Desmond
You can run GUIs on Server Core in some cases...

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server Core

Server core is good for anything that doesn't need a gui on top.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server Core

Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are 
remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764










~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Chris Blair
Yes, cert. 

I had the same attitude, but I am actually enjoying it and learning a lot. 

Each to their own. 



-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

Test? You mean certification?

Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995.

Kurt

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote:
 They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core

 Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on
 core, the better, IMHO.

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to
  “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that
 reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface
 for those server roles.”
  http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx

 Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the
 original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same-

 From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx

 Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:

 AD DS
 AD LDS
 DNS
 DHCP
 File Services
 Print Services
 Streaming Media Services
 Web Server (IIS)
 Hyper-V

 This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios
 for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could
 use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to
 manage, and easier to maintain:

 Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers
 are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can
 strengthen this backbone in every way.
 Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and
 require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for
 use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no)
 information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your
 head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core
 installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added
 security at a branch office.
 Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on
 Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a
 single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your
 TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and
 management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient
 environment for deployment testing.
 Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory
 requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out
 of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or
 database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network
 infrastructure servers running Server Core.

 Non-Usage Scenarios

 What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that
 Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously.
 Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for
 running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server,
 or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for
 running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint
 Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom
 applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an
 application hosting platform.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core



 Uh,



 So what needs a GUI on top?



 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:

 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.







 Regards,







 Michael B. Smith



 Consultant and Exchange MVP



 http://TheEssentialExchange.com







 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]

 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM

 To: NT System Admin Issues

 Subject: Server Core







 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses

 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?



 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER

 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION

 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764























 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~







 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Michael B. Smith
Yeah, that's from the 2008 not the 2008 R2 docs...

Server 2008 R2 now supports powershell, ASP.NET, some fraction of .NET that 
isn't required for WPF, etc. etc. Those were the initial _technical_ reasons. 
:-)

Marketing is just that - marketing. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the 
better, IMHO.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but 
 to
  “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that 
 reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack 
 surface for those server roles.”
  
 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-insta
 llation.aspx

 Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the 
 original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the 
 same-

 From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx

 Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:

 AD DS
 AD LDS
 DNS
 DHCP
 File Services
 Print Services
 Streaming Media Services
 Web Server (IIS)
 Hyper-V

 This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage 
 scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways 
 that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more 
 reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain:

 Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS 
 servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on 
 Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way.
 Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more 
 secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, 
 they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices 
 where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less 
 physical security than at your head office location. For example, you 
 might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain 
 controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office.
 Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role 
 on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple 
 servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This 
 can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and 
 your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V 
 also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing.
 Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory 
 requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life 
 out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail 
 or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to 
 become network infrastructure servers running Server Core.

 Non-Usage Scenarios

 What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand 
 is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed 
 previously.
 Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform 
 for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL 
 Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't 
 use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft 
 Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it 
 to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server 
 Core is not an application hosting platform.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core



 Uh,



 So what needs a GUI on top?



 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:

 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.







 Regards,







 Michael B. Smith



 Consultant and Exchange MVP



 http://TheEssentialExchange.com







 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]

 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM

 To: NT System Admin Issues

 Subject: Server Core







 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical 
 uses

 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?



 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER

 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION

 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764























 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~







~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Michael B. Smith
Yes, GUI's that have no dependencies other than on the OS itself. Relatively 
few and far between. :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server Core

You can run GUIs on Server Core in some cases...

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server Core

Server core is good for anything that doesn't need a gui on top.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server Core

Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are 
remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764














~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
Heh.

If only I had the time...

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 13:07, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote:
 Yes, cert.

 I had the same attitude, but I am actually enjoying it and learning a lot.

 Each to their own.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:02 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core

 Test? You mean certification?

 Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995.

 Kurt

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote:
 They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core

 Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on
 core, the better, IMHO.

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to
  “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that
 reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface
 for those server roles.”
  http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx

 Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the
 original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same-

 From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx

 Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:

 AD DS
 AD LDS
 DNS
 DHCP
 File Services
 Print Services
 Streaming Media Services
 Web Server (IIS)
 Hyper-V

 This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios
 for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could
 use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to
 manage, and easier to maintain:

 Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers
 are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can
 strengthen this backbone in every way.
 Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and
 require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for
 use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no)
 information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your
 head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core
 installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added
 security at a branch office.
 Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on
 Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a
 single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your
 TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and
 management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient
 environment for deployment testing.
 Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory
 requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out
 of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or
 database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network
 infrastructure servers running Server Core.

 Non-Usage Scenarios

 What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that
 Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously.
 Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for
 running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server,
 or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for
 running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint
 Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom
 applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an
 application hosting platform.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core



 Uh,



 So what needs a GUI on top?



 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:

 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.







 Regards,







 Michael B. Smith



 Consultant and Exchange MVP



 http://TheEssentialExchange.com







 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]

 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM

 To: NT System Admin Issues

 Subject: Server Core







 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses

 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?



 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER

 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION

 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764























 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

 ~ http

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Jonathan Link
If anyone tells you it (the time sink thing) gets better they're lying.
My daughter consumes more of my time now than when she was your son's age.
Wouldn't change a thing, though.  Luckily I do the day-care dropoff and she
has the pickup, so I can work late when necessary...

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Heh.

 If only I had the time...

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 13:07, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com
 wrote:
  Yes, cert.
 
  I had the same attitude, but I am actually enjoying it and learning a
 lot.
 
  Each to their own.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:02 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Server Core
 
  Test? You mean certification?
 
  Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995.
 
  Kurt
 
  On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com
 wrote:
  They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Server Core
 
  Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on
  core, the better, IMHO.
 
  On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
  Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but
 to
   “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that
  reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack
 surface
  for those server roles.”
 
 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx
  
  Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the
  original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the
 same-
 
  From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx
 
  Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:
 
  AD DS
  AD LDS
  DNS
  DHCP
  File Services
  Print Services
  Streaming Media Services
  Web Server (IIS)
  Hyper-V
 
  This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage
 scenarios
  for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you
 could
  use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier
 to
  manage, and easier to maintain:
 
  Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS
 servers
  are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core
 can
  strengthen this backbone in every way.
  Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more
 secure and
  require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal
 for
  use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or
 no)
  information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at
 your
  head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core
  installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added
  security at a branch office.
  Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role
 on
  Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers
 onto a
  single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower
 your
  TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and
  management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a
 convenient
  environment for deployment testing.
  Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory
  requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life
 out
  of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or
  database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become
 network
  infrastructure servers running Server Core.
 
  Non-Usage Scenarios
 
  What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is
 that
  Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed
 previously.
  Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform
 for
  running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL
 Server,
  or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for
  running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office
 SharePoint
  Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom
  applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an
  application hosting platform.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Server Core
 
 
 
  Uh,
 
 
 
  So what needs a GUI on top?
 
 
 
  On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
  wrote:
 
  Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Michael B. Smith
 
 
 
  Consultant and Exchange MVP
 
 
 
  http://TheEssentialExchange.com http

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Kurt Buff
I do the driving - drop the boy off at daycare, drop the wife off at
the park and ride, drive to work. Pick the boy up at daycare, and
either meet the wife there or pick her up an a convenient bus stop on
the way home.

Wife does not currently drive much, or actually at all. Only got her
DL recently after a 20+ year hiatus - I had to teach her how to drive
all over again, this time with a manual transmission - she's not a
confident driver, and may never be.

I don't expect my spare time to expand, and I don't care that much
about it, as such.

But, I am going to have to start insisting that management hire
stronger staff, or do more training for current staff - and for
myself. I'm good at what I do, but lack of training for 8 years (other
than what I pick up on these lists and a lot of web browsing) is not
the way forward.

OTOH, I did purchase for myself three machines, so that in my copious
free time I can put together a Xen/iSCSI environment. We'll see how
far I get with that. Have to upgrade/replace the disks, because these
were used Dell 1950s, but each came with 8gb RAM. That should prove to
be fun...

Kurt

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 13:40, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 If anyone tells you it (the time sink thing) gets better they're lying.
 My daughter consumes more of my time now than when she was your son's age.
 Wouldn't change a thing, though.  Luckily I do the day-care dropoff and she
 has the pickup, so I can work late when necessary...

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Heh.

 If only I had the time...

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 13:07, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com
 wrote:
  Yes, cert.
 
  I had the same attitude, but I am actually enjoying it and learning a
  lot.
 
  Each to their own.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:02 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Server Core
 
  Test? You mean certification?
 
  Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995.
 
  Kurt
 
  On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com
  wrote:
  They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Server Core
 
  Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on
  core, the better, IMHO.
 
  On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
  Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but
  to
   “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that
  reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack
  surface
  for those server roles.”
 
   http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx
 
  Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the
  original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the
  same-
 
  From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx
 
  Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:
 
  AD DS
  AD LDS
  DNS
  DHCP
  File Services
  Print Services
  Streaming Media Services
  Web Server (IIS)
  Hyper-V
 
  This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage
  scenarios
  for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you
  could
  use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable,
  easier to
  manage, and easier to maintain:
 
  Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS
  servers
  are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core
  can
  strengthen this backbone in every way.
  Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more
  secure and
  require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal
  for
  use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or
  no)
  information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at
  your
  head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core
  installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added
  security at a branch office.
  Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role
  on
  Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers
  onto a
  single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower
  your
  TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling,
  and
  management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a
  convenient
  environment for deployment testing.
  Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory
  requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life
  out
  of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or
  database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become
  network

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Free, Bob
What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the adoption of 
Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal, particularly based on all 
the desire for the features from customers and the amount of dev that went into 
them. Less than 10% of expectations I was told.

Those I have heard speak about it are pretty disappointed considering that 80% 
of the AD dev time in the 2K3 timeframe was devoted to Branch Office 
functionalityfunctionality that customers were screaming for

-Original Message-
From: Chris Blair [mailto:chris_bl...@identisys.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server Core

They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test.



-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on
core, the better, IMHO.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to
  “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that
 reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface
 for those server roles.”
  http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx

 Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the
 original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same-

 From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx

 Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:

 AD DS
 AD LDS
 DNS
 DHCP
 File Services
 Print Services
 Streaming Media Services
 Web Server (IIS)
 Hyper-V

 This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios
 for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could
 use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to
 manage, and easier to maintain:

 Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers
 are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can
 strengthen this backbone in every way.
 Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and
 require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for
 use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no)
 information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your
 head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core
 installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added
 security at a branch office.
 Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on
 Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a
 single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your
 TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and
 management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient
 environment for deployment testing.
 Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory
 requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out
 of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or
 database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network
 infrastructure servers running Server Core.

 Non-Usage Scenarios

 What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that
 Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously.
 Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for
 running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server,
 or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for
 running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint
 Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom
 applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an
 application hosting platform.



 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Server Core



 Uh,



 So what needs a GUI on top?



 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:

 Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top.







 Regards,







 Michael B. Smith



 Consultant and Exchange MVP



 http://TheEssentialExchange.com







 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]

 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM

 To: NT System Admin Issues

 Subject: Server Core







 Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses

 are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers?



 David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER

 NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION

 (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the
 adoption of Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal,
 particularly based on all the desire for the features from customers
 and the amount of dev that went into them.

  Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be
because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered.  As per
that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using
Server Core for very much.  Microsoft's party line is you're not
supposed to use it for third-party software at all.  The number of
servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically
zero.  Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant
adoption?

  This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't
want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something
which technically met the request, but totally missed the point.

  (And you still can't run it on a serial console.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Chyka, Robert
So I am almost done converting our domain to 2008R2.  I have 2 branch campuses 
left which each has a controller that only runs dns.  We have good poin to 
point circuits to the 2 remote sites.  So do I go Server Core with RODCs?

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: Server Core

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the
 adoption of Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal,
 particularly based on all the desire for the features from customers
 and the amount of dev that went into them.

  Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be
because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered.  As per
that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using
Server Core for very much.  Microsoft's party line is you're not
supposed to use it for third-party software at all.  The number of
servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically
zero.  Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant
adoption?

  This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't
want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something
which technically met the request, but totally missed the point.

  (And you still can't run it on a serial console.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph L. Casale
  (And you still can't run it on a serial console.)

Not 100% true, 2008 allows one to enable an EMS console. Apparently
you can even run PS from the console:)

That's about as serial as it gets.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Joseph Heaton
If they are only going to run DNS, then Core is a good choice.

 Chyka, Robert bch...@medaille.edu 6/3/2010 3:16 PM 
So I am almost done converting our domain to 2008R2.  I have 2 branch campuses 
left which each has a controller that only runs dns.  We have good poin to 
point circuits to the 2 remote sites.  So do I go Server Core with RODCs?

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: Server Core

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the
 adoption of Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal,
 particularly based on all the desire for the features from customers
 and the amount of dev that went into them.

  Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be
because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered.  As per
that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using
Server Core for very much.  Microsoft's party line is you're not
supposed to use it for third-party software at all.  The number of
servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically
zero.  Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant
adoption?

  This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't
want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something
which technically met the request, but totally missed the point.

  (And you still can't run it on a serial console.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Free, Bob
Lack of a GIU or support for 3rd party applications wasn't the case for
developing core, at least not in the sessions and discussions I
attended. Lack of a GUI was not really even part of the equation, at
least not from a feature standpoint. What people were saying was, we
want a server with a very limited attack surface to run very specific
infrastructure roles with minimal code running on it so we don't have to
patch/reboot it. We want to hot-patch, we want a very small footprint.
We have dozens of web servers that are just web servers. We run DCs
standalone with absolutely nothing else on them. etc, etc. 

There are a lot of servers out there that are not running applications
that perform very specific roles, that is what core was designed to
address. 

If you come from a small environment that isn't compelling but if you
have tens or hundreds of say pure file servers or web servers or domain
controllers it makes a lot of sense.

If the hotpatching had come to fruition, I think it would possibly be a
different story.


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the
 adoption of Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal,
 particularly based on all the desire for the features from customers
 and the amount of dev that went into them.

  Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be
because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered.  As per
that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using
Server Core for very much.  Microsoft's party line is you're not
supposed to use it for third-party software at all.  The number of
servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically
zero.  Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant
adoption?

  

  (And you still can't run it on a serial console.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~



Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Jon Harris
Just wait until they get to middle school or high school and you want to
keep track of them.  I do the pickup for my teenage daughter who is in high
school and do the followups when she is going some place the wife and I
don't know about.  Maybe protective but she attracts way too many boys/men
with her looks.

Jon

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 If anyone tells you it (the time sink thing) gets better they're lying.
 My daughter consumes more of my time now than when she was your son's age.
 Wouldn't change a thing, though.  Luckily I do the day-care dropoff and she
 has the pickup, so I can work late when necessary...

   On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Heh.

 If only I had the time...

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 13:07, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com
 wrote:
  Yes, cert.
 
  I had the same attitude, but I am actually enjoying it and learning a
 lot.
 
  Each to their own.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:02 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Server Core
 
  Test? You mean certification?
 
  Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995.
 
  Kurt
 
  On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com
 wrote:
  They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Server Core
 
  Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on
  core, the better, IMHO.
 
  On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
  Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but
 to
   “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that
  reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack
 surface
  for those server roles.”
 
 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx
  
  Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the
  original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the
 same-
 
  From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx
 
  Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core:
 
  AD DS
  AD LDS
  DNS
  DHCP
  File Services
  Print Services
  Streaming Media Services
  Web Server (IIS)
  Hyper-V
 
  This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage
 scenarios
  for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you
 could
  use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable,
 easier to
  manage, and easier to maintain:
 
  Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS
 servers
  are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core
 can
  strengthen this backbone in every way.
  Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more
 secure and
  require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal
 for
  use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or
 no)
  information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at
 your
  head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core
  installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added
  security at a branch office.
  Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role
 on
  Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers
 onto a
  single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower
 your
  TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling,
 and
  management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a
 convenient
  environment for deployment testing.
  Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory
  requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life
 out
  of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or
  database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become
 network
  infrastructure servers running Server Core.
 
  Non-Usage Scenarios
 
  What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand
 is that
  Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed
 previously.
  Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform
 for
  running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL
 Server,
  or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for
  running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office
 SharePoint
  Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom
  applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not
 an
  application hosting platform.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 What people were saying was, we
 want a server with a very limited attack surface to run very specific
 infrastructure roles with minimal code running on it so we don't have to
 patch/reboot it.
..
 There are a lot of servers out there that are not running applications
 that perform very specific roles, that is what core was designed to
 address.

  Ah.  I guess I didn't understand how Server Core was being
positioned myself.  I thought it was supposed to be more
general-purpose.  Decrease attack surface and resource load and
management burden, yes, but for any kind of server, not just
server-doing-only-one-thing.

  So is that 10% adoption figure for Server Core?  If so, is that 10%
of all Win Server deployments, per customer?  If so, then that seems
like a reasonable adoption rate.  If it's 10% of all Win Server
deployments, per *server*, that would be another thing.   The number
of *customers* who need that kind of scenario is fairly small, but
they've got a *lot* of boxes.

 If the hotpatching had come to fruition, I think it would possibly be a
 different story.

  *That* would be a big deal for just about everybody!  :)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread John Cook
Speaking of which, is there Core edition specific AV? Inquiring minds want to 
know!
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Thu Jun 03 19:47:47 2010
Subject: Re: Server Core

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 What people were saying was, we
 want a server with a very limited attack surface to run very specific
 infrastructure roles with minimal code running on it so we don't have to
 patch/reboot it.
..
 There are a lot of servers out there that are not running applications
 that perform very specific roles, that is what core was designed to
 address.

  Ah.  I guess I didn't understand how Server Core was being
positioned myself.  I thought it was supposed to be more
general-purpose.  Decrease attack surface and resource load and
management burden, yes, but for any kind of server, not just
server-doing-only-one-thing.

  So is that 10% adoption figure for Server Core?  If so, is that 10%
of all Win Server deployments, per customer?  If so, then that seems
like a reasonable adoption rate.  If it's 10% of all Win Server
deployments, per *server*, that would be another thing.   The number
of *customers* who need that kind of scenario is fairly small, but
they've got a *lot* of boxes.

 If the hotpatching had come to fruition, I think it would possibly be a
 different story.

  *That* would be a big deal for just about everybody!  :)

-- Ben

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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Your point is well made, Ben, but many environments that could use Server
Core don't have the requisite scripting skills to manage it either.

And companies are not trying to train people these days.   And the economy
hasn't been helpful of late.
But I think that the lack of hotpatching played a role as well.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid

On Jun 3, 2010 6:10 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
 What is interesting is if you talk...
 Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be
because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered.  As per
that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using
Server Core for very much.  Microsoft's party line is you're not
supposed to use it for third-party software at all.  The number of
servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically
zero.  Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant
adoption?

 This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't
want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something
which technically met the request, but totally missed the point.

 (And you still can't run it on a serial console.)

-- Ben


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co...

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Brian Desmond
Yep. This becomes even more problematic when you outsource to low cost 
locations.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core


Your point is well made, Ben, but many environments that could use Server Core 
don't have the requisite scripting skills to manage it either.

And companies are not trying to train people these days.   And the economy 
hasn't been helpful of late.
But I think that the lack of hotpatching played a role as well.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid
On Jun 3, 2010 6:10 PM, Ben Scott 
mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.commailto:r...@pge.com 
wrote:
 What is interesting is if you talk...
 Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be
because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered.  As per
that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using
Server Core for very much.  Microsoft's party line is you're not
supposed to use it for third-party software at all.  The number of
servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically
zero.  Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant
adoption?

 This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't
want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something
which technically met the request, but totally missed the point.

 (And you still can't run it on a serial console.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co...





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Richard Stovall
Core Configurator

http://coreconfig.codeplex.com/

It's not a panacea by any means, but it does help bring Server Core (and
perhaps more importantly, Hyper-V Server 2008 R2) to the table for the rank
and file admin.

RS

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Jon Harris
I thought that even if the server was setup as a Core you could use the GUI
interface on a Windows 7 type of machine using the RSAT tools.  Is this not
the case?

Jon

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Your point is well made, Ben, but many environments that could use Server
 Core don't have the requisite scripting skills to manage it either.

 And companies are not trying to train people these days.   And the economy
 hasn't been helpful of late.
 But I think that the lack of hotpatching played a role as well.

  -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker

 Sent from my Motorola Droid

  On Jun 3, 2010 6:10 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:
  What is interesting is if you talk...

  Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be
 because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered.  As per
 that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using
 Server Core for very much.  Microsoft's party line is you're not
 supposed to use it for third-party software at all.  The number of
 servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically
 zero.  Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant
 adoption?

  This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't
 want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something
 which technically met the request, but totally missed the point.

  (And you still can't run it on a serial console.)

 -- Ben


 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co...







~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Brian Desmond
You can

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

I thought that even if the server was setup as a Core you could use the GUI 
interface on a Windows 7 type of machine using the RSAT tools.  Is this not the 
case?

Jon
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Andrew S. Baker 
asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote:

Your point is well made, Ben, but many environments that could use Server Core 
don't have the requisite scripting skills to manage it either.

And companies are not trying to train people these days.   And the economy 
hasn't been helpful of late.
But I think that the lack of hotpatching played a role as well.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid
On Jun 3, 2010 6:10 PM, Ben Scott 
mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.commailto:r...@pge.com 
wrote:
 What is interesting is if you talk...
 Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be
because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered.  As per
that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using
Server Core for very much.  Microsoft's party line is you're not
supposed to use it for third-party software at all.  The number of
servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically
zero.  Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant
adoption?
 This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't
want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something
which technically met the request, but totally missed the point.
 (And you still can't run it on a serial console.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co.http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co./..










~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core

2010-06-03 Thread Michael B. Smith
You are correct, it is the case - as long as the firewall on the server is 
configured correctly (to allow remote management).

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server Core

I thought that even if the server was setup as a Core you could use the GUI 
interface on a Windows 7 type of machine using the RSAT tools.  Is this not the 
case?

Jon
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Andrew S. Baker 
asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote:

Your point is well made, Ben, but many environments that could use Server Core 
don't have the requisite scripting skills to manage it either.

And companies are not trying to train people these days.   And the economy 
hasn't been helpful of late.
But I think that the lack of hotpatching played a role as well.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid
On Jun 3, 2010 6:10 PM, Ben Scott 
mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.commailto:r...@pge.com 
wrote:
 What is interesting is if you talk...
 Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be
because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered.  As per
that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using
Server Core for very much.  Microsoft's party line is you're not
supposed to use it for third-party software at all.  The number of
servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically
zero.  Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant
adoption?
 This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't
want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something
which technically met the request, but totally missed the point.
 (And you still can't run it on a serial console.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co.http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co./..










~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup

2008-09-26 Thread Rob Bonfiglio
Still no change.  I've talked with our Microsoft rep, and he is opening up a
free case for me.  I'll let you all know what we find.

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Michael B. Smith 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  And how did this turn out?



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

 My blog: 
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael

 Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange



 *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:24 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup



 I appreciate the help Michael.



 1.  Yes, the destination folder does exist.  However, I also get the same
 error if I run wbadmin get disks just to get a list of the disks...so I'm
 thinking that perhaps there is something wrong with the service?  I haven't
 changed any permissions on the server either on the disk or in the registry
 since it was setup.



 2.  The last scheduled backup would have been through Backup Exec.  And
 yes, it completed successfully.



 3.  Am I supposed to manually allocate space for VSS to use wbadmin.exe?  I
 hadn't seen this in the documents I've looked at for using wbadmin.



 4.  Yes, the volume is idle while I'm trying to perform the backup.



 I'll look into allocating space for VSS to see if that makes any
 difference.

 On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ok, I'm sure I could fiddle around with it and get it to work, I'm just
 trying to think what I've had happen in the past to help you:



 1] Does the destination folder exist?



 2] did the last scheduled backup work?



 3] do you have space allocated for VSS?



 4] is the volume idle (more or less) while you are doing the backup?



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

 My blog: 
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael

 Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange



 *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 5:59 PM


 *To:* NT System Admin Issues

 *Subject:* Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup



 Unfortunately this didn't change a thing.

 On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Rob Bonfiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 I'm doing that as we speak actuallyrealized that was the one thing I
 hadn't removed yet.  Just removing the DPM agent didn't do anything for me.
 So, while the DPM agent is uninstalled I am removing the feature, rebooting,
 and then will reinstall the backup feature.  I'll let ya know if I have any
 luck.



 Thanks for the suggestion.

 On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Have you tried removing the dpm agent?



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

 My blog: 
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael

 Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange



 *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 4:55 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Server Core and Windows Server Backup



 I am having trouble getting Windows Server Backup to run properly on all 3
 of my 2008 Server Core installations.



 Initially I had installed the Backup Exec remote agent on the machines, but
 we are moving to DPM.



 I installed the DPM agent on the machines, and installed the Windows Server
 Backup feature, but I wasn't getting a backup of my system state.  So, I
 went to the machines to try and use wbadmin to do a local system state
 backup to see if I could perform one apart from DPM.



 Here is the syntax I am using, and the error message that is given back to
 me:

 

 E:\wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e:\Backup
 The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it
 has no enabled devices associated with it.

 



 I get the same error if I attempt to perform the backup from the C: drive
 (to the folder on the E: drive.)



 I uninstalled the Symantec remote agent using MSIExec.  I uninstalled
 the WindowsServerBackup role, rebooted, installed the role, rebooted, and
 tried running the above command again, yet I still have the same result.



 To install the feature I simply entered:

 

 start /w ocsetup WindowsServerBackup

 



 Looking in the event logs I see where the Block level backup engine service
 successfully started. After about 5 minutes the event logs show that the BLB
 service successfully stops.  If I look at the services, I see the BLB
 service is set to manual.  Before I run

Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup

2008-09-23 Thread Rob Bonfiglio
I appreciate the help Michael.

1.  Yes, the destination folder does exist.  However, I also get the same
error if I run wbadmin get disks just to get a list of the disks...so I'm
thinking that perhaps there is something wrong with the service?  I haven't
changed any permissions on the server either on the disk or in the registry
since it was setup.

2.  The last scheduled backup would have been through Backup Exec.  And
yes, it completed successfully.

3.  Am I supposed to manually allocate space for VSS to use wbadmin.exe?  I
hadn't seen this in the documents I've looked at for using wbadmin.

4.  Yes, the volume is idle while I'm trying to perform the backup.

I'll look into allocating space for VSS to see if that makes any difference.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Michael B. Smith 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Ok, I'm sure I could fiddle around with it and get it to work, I'm just
 trying to think what I've had happen in the past to help you:



 1] Does the destination folder exist?



 2] did the last scheduled backup work?



 3] do you have space allocated for VSS?



 4] is the volume idle (more or less) while you are doing the backup?



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

 My blog: 
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael

 Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange



 *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 5:59 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup



 Unfortunately this didn't change a thing.

 On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Rob Bonfiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 I'm doing that as we speak actuallyrealized that was the one thing I
 hadn't removed yet.  Just removing the DPM agent didn't do anything for me.
 So, while the DPM agent is uninstalled I am removing the feature, rebooting,
 and then will reinstall the backup feature.  I'll let ya know if I have any
 luck.



 Thanks for the suggestion.

 On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Have you tried removing the dpm agent?



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

 My blog: 
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael

 Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange



 *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 4:55 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Server Core and Windows Server Backup



 I am having trouble getting Windows Server Backup to run properly on all 3
 of my 2008 Server Core installations.



 Initially I had installed the Backup Exec remote agent on the machines, but
 we are moving to DPM.



 I installed the DPM agent on the machines, and installed the Windows Server
 Backup feature, but I wasn't getting a backup of my system state.  So, I
 went to the machines to try and use wbadmin to do a local system state
 backup to see if I could perform one apart from DPM.



 Here is the syntax I am using, and the error message that is given back to
 me:

 

 E:\wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e:\Backup
 The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it
 has no enabled devices associated with it.

 



 I get the same error if I attempt to perform the backup from the C: drive
 (to the folder on the E: drive.)



 I uninstalled the Symantec remote agent using MSIExec.  I uninstalled
 the WindowsServerBackup role, rebooted, installed the role, rebooted, and
 tried running the above command again, yet I still have the same result.



 To install the feature I simply entered:

 

 start /w ocsetup WindowsServerBackup

 



 Looking in the event logs I see where the Block level backup engine service
 successfully started. After about 5 minutes the event logs show that the BLB
 service successfully stops.  If I look at the services, I see the BLB
 service is set to manual.  Before I run the wbadmin command the service is
 stopped.  After I run it the service starts.   I get no errors related to
 the backup in the event logs beyond what the program spits back out to me
 (see above.)







 Has anyone had any similar problems?  Any suggests, or care to point out
 anything obviously stupid that I have done so far?  ;-)



 Thanks for any help!



 Rob




































~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

RE: Server Core and Windows Server Backup

2008-09-22 Thread Michael B. Smith
Have you tried removing the dpm agent?

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange

 

From: Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server Core and Windows Server Backup

 

I am having trouble getting Windows Server Backup to run properly on all 3
of my 2008 Server Core installations.

 

Initially I had installed the Backup Exec remote agent on the machines, but
we are moving to DPM.

 

I installed the DPM agent on the machines, and installed the Windows Server
Backup feature, but I wasn't getting a backup of my system state.  So, I
went to the machines to try and use wbadmin to do a local system state
backup to see if I could perform one apart from DPM.

 

Here is the syntax I am using, and the error message that is given back to
me:



E:\wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e:\Backup
The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it
has no enabled devices associated with it.



 

I get the same error if I attempt to perform the backup from the C: drive
(to the folder on the E: drive.)

 

I uninstalled the Symantec remote agent using MSIExec.  I uninstalled the
WindowsServerBackup role, rebooted, installed the role, rebooted, and tried
running the above command again, yet I still have the same result.

 

To install the feature I simply entered:  



start /w ocsetup WindowsServerBackup



 

Looking in the event logs I see where the Block level backup engine service
successfully started. After about 5 minutes the event logs show that the BLB
service successfully stops.  If I look at the services, I see the BLB
service is set to manual.  Before I run the wbadmin command the service is
stopped.  After I run it the service starts.   I get no errors related to
the backup in the event logs beyond what the program spits back out to me
(see above.)

 

 

 

Has anyone had any similar problems?  Any suggests, or care to point out
anything obviously stupid that I have done so far?  ;-)

 

Thanks for any help!

 

Rob

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup

2008-09-22 Thread Rob Bonfiglio
I'm doing that as we speak actuallyrealized that was the one thing I
hadn't removed yet.  Just removing the DPM agent didn't do anything for me.
So, while the DPM agent is uninstalled I am removing the feature, rebooting,
and then will reinstall the backup feature.  I'll let ya know if I have any
luck.

Thanks for the suggestion.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Michael B. Smith 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Have you tried removing the dpm agent?



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

 My blog: 
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael

 Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange



 *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 4:55 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Server Core and Windows Server Backup



 I am having trouble getting Windows Server Backup to run properly on all 3
 of my 2008 Server Core installations.



 Initially I had installed the Backup Exec remote agent on the machines, but
 we are moving to DPM.



 I installed the DPM agent on the machines, and installed the Windows Server
 Backup feature, but I wasn't getting a backup of my system state.  So, I
 went to the machines to try and use wbadmin to do a local system state
 backup to see if I could perform one apart from DPM.



 Here is the syntax I am using, and the error message that is given back to
 me:

 

 E:\wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e:\Backup
 The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it
 has no enabled devices associated with it.

 



 I get the same error if I attempt to perform the backup from the C: drive
 (to the folder on the E: drive.)



 I uninstalled the Symantec remote agent using MSIExec.  I uninstalled
 the WindowsServerBackup role, rebooted, installed the role, rebooted, and
 tried running the above command again, yet I still have the same result.



 To install the feature I simply entered:

 

 start /w ocsetup WindowsServerBackup

 



 Looking in the event logs I see where the Block level backup engine service
 successfully started. After about 5 minutes the event logs show that the BLB
 service successfully stops.  If I look at the services, I see the BLB
 service is set to manual.  Before I run the wbadmin command the service is
 stopped.  After I run it the service starts.   I get no errors related to
 the backup in the event logs beyond what the program spits back out to me
 (see above.)







 Has anyone had any similar problems?  Any suggests, or care to point out
 anything obviously stupid that I have done so far?  ;-)



 Thanks for any help!



 Rob


















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup

2008-09-22 Thread Rob Bonfiglio
Unfortunately this didn't change a thing.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Rob Bonfiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  I'm doing that as we speak actuallyrealized that was the one thing I
 hadn't removed yet.  Just removing the DPM agent didn't do anything for me.
 So, while the DPM agent is uninstalled I am removing the feature, rebooting,
 and then will reinstall the backup feature.  I'll let ya know if I have any
 luck.

 Thanks for the suggestion.

  On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Have you tried removing the dpm agent?



 Regards,



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 *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 4:55 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Server Core and Windows Server Backup



 I am having trouble getting Windows Server Backup to run properly on all 3
 of my 2008 Server Core installations.



 Initially I had installed the Backup Exec remote agent on the machines,
 but we are moving to DPM.



 I installed the DPM agent on the machines, and installed the Windows
 Server Backup feature, but I wasn't getting a backup of my system state.
 So, I went to the machines to try and use wbadmin to do a local system state
 backup to see if I could perform one apart from DPM.



 Here is the syntax I am using, and the error message that is given back to
 me:

 

 E:\wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e:\Backup
 The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it
 has no enabled devices associated with it.

 



 I get the same error if I attempt to perform the backup from the C: drive
 (to the folder on the E: drive.)



 I uninstalled the Symantec remote agent using MSIExec.  I uninstalled
 the WindowsServerBackup role, rebooted, installed the role, rebooted, and
 tried running the above command again, yet I still have the same result.



 To install the feature I simply entered:

 

 start /w ocsetup WindowsServerBackup

 



 Looking in the event logs I see where the Block level backup engine
 service successfully started. After about 5 minutes the event logs show that
 the BLB service successfully stops.  If I look at the services, I see the
 BLB service is set to manual.  Before I run the wbadmin command the service
 is stopped.  After I run it the service starts.   I get no errors related to
 the backup in the event logs beyond what the program spits back out to me
 (see above.)







 Has anyone had any similar problems?  Any suggests, or care to point out
 anything obviously stupid that I have done so far?  ;-)



 Thanks for any help!



 Rob























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