Re: Server Core help
Bing search on How to configure system failure and recovery options in Windows 2008 Came up with http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307973 which is windows 2003 but similar to http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee424384%28WS.10%29.aspx If you modify Step 4 to wmic RECOVEROS set AutoReboot = false it should work On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Justin Thomas jat...@gmail.com wrote: I need my server core machine to not automatically restart on failure. Anyone know how to accomplish this? msconfig is not a part of core. -- Probable Contrarian ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Server Core help
Perfect, Thanks! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: Bing search on How to configure system failure and recovery options in Windows 2008 Came up with http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307973 which is windows 2003 but similar to http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee424384%28WS.10%29.aspx If you modify Step 4 to wmic RECOVEROS set AutoReboot = false it should work On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Justin Thomas jat...@gmail.com wrote: I need my server core machine to not automatically restart on failure. Anyone know how to accomplish this? msconfig is not a part of core. -- Probable Contrarian ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Probable Contrarian ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Server Core Updates
I'm not familiar with Server Core 2008 R2 per se, but I know Hyper-V R2 which is pretty much managed the same as Core, and there the sconfig.cmd menu has this option: 6) Download and Install Updates If you have that option, choose it and have it search for and install updates. If that doesn't work, check the \windows\windowsupdate.log after using that option. Carl From: Bob Anderson [mailto:bander...@kentwatersports.com] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Updates Hello, I have a 2008 R2 Server core server virtualized with Hyper-V on a 2008 server. It is set to Automatic updates and WSUS says they are all downloaded but it has never applied any updates when I use sconfig it says updates have never been applied. I am at a loss to figure out why it won't apply the updates. This is my first Server Core server so I am learning as I go. Thanks in advance Bob Anderson IT Manager Kent Sporting Goods Inc. 433 Park Ave. S New London OH 44851 419-929-7021 x315 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Server Core
I've always struggled with the point of Core. Core sounds appealing, until you consider it doesn't save much patching and it requires a different support model. I had a long discussion with a senior MCS guy about whether Core was a fit for us and one of the things he said stuck with me, that many MCS consultants mostly saw Core as a Microsoft answer to single-purpose Linux boxes in the data center (for example, running DHCP or DNS). -Malcolm -Original Message- From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 16:41 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Core What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the adoption of Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal, particularly based on all the desire for the features from customers and the amount of dev that went into them. Less than 10% of expectations I was told. Those I have heard speak about it are pretty disappointed considering that 80% of the AD dev time in the 2K3 timeframe was devoted to Branch Office functionalityfunctionality that customers were screaming for -Original Message- From: Chris Blair [mailto:chris_bl...@identisys.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:58 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Core They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-insta llation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11
RE: Server Core
I know you can run the SCCM 2007 SP2 client and the latest SEP client on Core. I would be a bit surprised if some of those other 3rd-party clients support Core, though. Additionally, I’d ask what you are trying to accomplish by running all your DCs on Core. I’m not sure the small reduction in attack surface or in patch requirements is worth the support issues and reduced functionality in many cases. -Malcolm From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 07:34 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core I've been reading this thread pretty closely since we will be brining up a 2008 test domain very shortly. My thoughts were to do Core for all the DCs. My concern now is all the client/Agent software that the current DCs require. For example: Adiscon client Asset Insight client Blue Coat proxy agent Big brother agent SCCM/SMS client SAV/SEP Antivirus client TSM client Will any of these run on Core? Love to hear from someone who has gone through this. Thanks, Chris Bodnar, MCSE Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From:David Lum david@nwea.org To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:06/03/2010 02:19 PM Subject:Server Core _ Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
How do people manage patching on Server Core installations? Can you just apply the GPOs for WSUS in the same way? How do admins log on to install updates? On 3 June 2010 21:02, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: *I put ALL DCs on Server Core given the opportunity.* * * *It also supports lots of other roles so… * * * *Personally if I worked in an environment where I had admins who were all sufficiently skilled I’d put every box I could on Server Core, but, I recognize reality. Very few places I’ve been where this would have been doable. * * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* *br...@briandesmond.com* * * *c – 312.731.3132* * * *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:19 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
How do people manage patching on Server Core installations? Can you just apply the GPOs for WSUS in the same way? How do admins log on to install updates? You can use WSUS, edit the registry, log on and use supplied scripts at the shell. Pretty much no difference. jlc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
I've been reading this thread pretty closely since we will be brining up a 2008 test domain very shortly. My thoughts were to do Core for all the DCs. My concern now is all the client/Agent software that the current DCs require. For example: Adiscon client Asset Insight client Blue Coat proxy agent Big brother agent SCCM/SMS client SAV/SEP Antivirus client TSM client Will any of these run on Core? Love to hear from someone who has gone through this. Thanks, Chris Bodnar, MCSE Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: David Lum david@nwea.org To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 06/03/2010 02:19 PM Subject:Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Personally, other than File servers, Exchange servers, SMTP email servers, and Share Point servers (i.e. servers with user content and access), I haven't had AV detect anything in a number of years. Sample size is about a half-dozen environments ranging from 20 users (5 servers) to 4000 users (300+ servers) As for the others, I think I'll build a Server Core system in my virtual environment and start testing these things out. It is certainly worth knowing... -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Christopher Bodnar christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote: I've been reading this thread pretty closely since we will be brining up a 2008 test domain very shortly. My thoughts were to do Core for all the DCs. My concern now is all the client/Agent software that the current DCs require. For example: Adiscon client Asset Insight client Blue Coat proxy agent Big brother agent SCCM/SMS client SAV/SEP Antivirus client TSM client Will any of these run on Core? Love to hear from someone who has gone through this. Thanks, Chris Bodnar, MCSE Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From:David Lum david@nwea.org To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:06/03/2010 02:19 PM Subject:Server Core -- Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
The SEP client is supported on 2008 Server Core per their documentation. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Personally, other than File servers, Exchange servers, SMTP email servers, and Share Point servers (i.e. servers with user content and access), I haven't had AV detect anything in a number of years. Sample size is about a half-dozen environments ranging from 20 users (5 servers) to 4000 users (300+ servers) As for the others, I think I'll build a Server Core system in my virtual environment and start testing these things out. It is certainly worth knowing... -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Christopher Bodnar christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote: I've been reading this thread pretty closely since we will be brining up a 2008 test domain very shortly. My thoughts were to do Core for all the DCs. My concern now is all the client/Agent software that the current DCs require. For example: Adiscon client Asset Insight client Blue Coat proxy agent Big brother agent SCCM/SMS client SAV/SEP Antivirus client TSM client Will any of these run on Core? Love to hear from someone who has gone through this. Thanks, Chris Bodnar, MCSE Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From:David Lum david@nwea.org To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:06/03/2010 02:19 PM Subject:Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
Yeah you can just use WSUS or whatever the same way. I have a vbscript I use that continues to work. You can even login and execute the patches from the cmdline if you want I guess. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core How do people manage patching on Server Core installations? Can you just apply the GPOs for WSUS in the same way? How do admins log on to install updates? On 3 June 2010 21:02, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com wrote: I put ALL DCs on Server Core given the opportunity. It also supports lots of other roles so... Personally if I worked in an environment where I had admins who were all sufficiently skilled I'd put every box I could on Server Core, but, I recognize reality. Very few places I've been where this would have been doable. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core - answered my own Q
I KNEW I'd answer my own question right after hitting SEND: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Dave From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
Server core is good for anything that doesn't need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core - answered my own Q
Which is all the incentive you need to send as soon as you think of a question, right? :) On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:21, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: I KNEW I’d answer my own question right after hitting SEND: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Dave From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
Exchange for example. Most AV engines. Blah blah blah. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
That's what a lot of former Novell admins used to say, including myself. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Exchange? Huh. I would have thought that could be managed remotely. Interesting. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:32, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Exchange for example. Most AV engines. Blah blah blah. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Haven't touched Novell since 3.12 - back in the '90s. FreeBSD is the non-GUI platform I implement now. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:34, Kim Longenbaugh k...@colonialsavings.com wrote: That's what a lot of former Novell admins used to say, including myself. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
FreeBSD is the non-GUI platform I implement now. Ahh Kurt, There's hope for you yet:) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:47, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: FreeBSD is the non-GUI platform I implement now. Ahh Kurt, There's hope for you yet:) Heh. I doubt it. I have a 9-month old boy... Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Are you kidding? That's *why* there's hope for you. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:47, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: FreeBSD is the non-GUI platform I implement now. Ahh Kurt, There's hope for you yet:) Heh. I doubt it. I have a 9-month old boy... Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core - answered my own Q
I do that all the time. The act of phrasing a question for the list generally reorders my mind enough to try a different search pattern. I must have 20 drafts of questions that I start typing out and never finish because the lighbulb goes off before I've clicked send. You do have to send a lot of stuff to the list to get to that point. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:21 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: I KNEW I’d answer my own question right after hitting SEND: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Dave *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:19 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core - answered my own Q
Yeah. I did that with my question earlier today about printing in Vista. J John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core - answered my own Q I do that all the time. The act of phrasing a question for the list generally reorders my mind enough to try a different search pattern. I must have 20 drafts of questions that I start typing out and never finish because the lighbulb goes off before I've clicked send. You do have to send a lot of stuff to the list to get to that point. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:21 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: I KNEW I'd answer my own question right after hitting SEND: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Dave From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~image001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: Server Core
It can be managed remotely. I don't know exactly what the dependency on GUI is (never thought to ask, actually), but it won't install on server core. Interesting question to ask though... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Exchange? Huh. I would have thought that could be managed remotely. Interesting. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:32, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Exchange for example. Most AV engines. Blah blah blah. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Only from a personal point of view - professionally speaking, I now have less time learn and spend on overtime than I had before, and I'm tied to a more constrained schedule at work. I don't mind that a bit - Wouldn't give up my time with the boy for the ten times the pay, but it crimps the work something fierce. Nowadays I can't call my wife at work and say I'm staying late today just because I need to finish some task or other. It needs to be a true emergency, because I'm the one to pick the boy up from daycare, as she commutes by bus, and we have to arrange to have a friend to pick up the boy when I can't. IT is, as you and everyone else here knows, a very demanding profession - to really advance and do good work, you have to put in the hours - especially if, as most people here seem to be, you're a generalist, and not specialized in a small corner of the IT world. Add chronic lack of resources, and it gets harder yet. Kurt On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:59, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: Are you kidding? That's *why* there's hope for you. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:47, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: FreeBSD is the non-GUI platform I implement now. Ahh Kurt, There's hope for you yet:) Heh. I doubt it. I have a 9-month old boy... Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Certainly not a burning issue, but if you ever get an answer on that, it would be interesting to hear the response. Kurt On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:16, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: It can be managed remotely. I don't know exactly what the dependency on GUI is (never thought to ask, actually), but it won't install on server core. Interesting question to ask though... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Exchange? Huh. I would have thought that could be managed remotely. Interesting. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:32, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Exchange for example. Most AV engines. Blah blah blah. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
I would assume to troubleshoot if there are local issues with connectivity. Jay Dale I.T. Manager, 3GiG Mobile: 713.299.2541 Email: jay.d...@3-gig.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and/or privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copying of this e-mail and attachments, if any, or the information contained herein, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Core It can be managed remotely. I don't know exactly what the dependency on GUI is (never thought to ask, actually), but it won't install on server core. Interesting question to ask though... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Exchange? Huh. I would have thought that could be managed remotely. Interesting. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:32, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Exchange for example. Most AV engines. Blah blah blah. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: * AD DS * AD LDS * DNS * DHCP * File Services * Print Services * Streaming Media Services * Web Server (IIS) * Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: * Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. * Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. * Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. * Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
I would assume to troubleshoot if there are local issues with connectivity. You can still log on manually to a phys console and execute powershell... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
Agreed, unless you're PS challenged like myself...:) Jay Dale I.T. Manager, 3GiG Mobile: 713.299.2541 Email: jay.d...@3-gig.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and/or privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copying of this e-mail and attachments, if any, or the information contained herein, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Core I would assume to troubleshoot if there are local issues with connectivity. You can still log on manually to a phys console and execute powershell... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx /snip Well, I have never, actually ever administered a Linux server that had a gui. I have seen them though:) Every service I have ever provided on one didn’t need it, it’s a silly req. How exactly is Exchange any different from ADC from an Admin perspective? I would put my money more towards the fact that the exchange team isn’t the platform team etc... They never built v2010 with the requirement in mind versus an actually genuine technical reason, but that’s just an assumption... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Test? You mean certification? Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995. Kurt On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote: They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
RE: Server Core
I put ALL DCs on Server Core given the opportunity. It also supports lots of other roles so... Personally if I worked in an environment where I had admins who were all sufficiently skilled I'd put every box I could on Server Core, but, I recognize reality. Very few places I've been where this would have been doable. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
You can run GUIs on Server Core in some cases... Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Core Server core is good for anything that doesn't need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
Yes, cert. I had the same attitude, but I am actually enjoying it and learning a lot. Each to their own. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Test? You mean certification? Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995. Kurt On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote: They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
RE: Server Core
Yeah, that's from the 2008 not the 2008 R2 docs... Server 2008 R2 now supports powershell, ASP.NET, some fraction of .NET that isn't required for WPF, etc. etc. Those were the initial _technical_ reasons. :-) Marketing is just that - marketing. :-) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-insta llation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog
RE: Server Core
Yes, GUI's that have no dependencies other than on the OS itself. Relatively few and far between. :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 4:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Core You can run GUIs on Server Core in some cases... Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Core Server core is good for anything that doesn't need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE's that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Heh. If only I had the time... On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 13:07, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote: Yes, cert. I had the same attitude, but I am actually enjoying it and learning a lot. Each to their own. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Test? You mean certification? Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995. Kurt On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote: They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
Re: Server Core
If anyone tells you it (the time sink thing) gets better they're lying. My daughter consumes more of my time now than when she was your son's age. Wouldn't change a thing, though. Luckily I do the day-care dropoff and she has the pickup, so I can work late when necessary... On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Heh. If only I had the time... On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 13:07, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote: Yes, cert. I had the same attitude, but I am actually enjoying it and learning a lot. Each to their own. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Test? You mean certification? Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995. Kurt On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote: They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http
Re: Server Core
I do the driving - drop the boy off at daycare, drop the wife off at the park and ride, drive to work. Pick the boy up at daycare, and either meet the wife there or pick her up an a convenient bus stop on the way home. Wife does not currently drive much, or actually at all. Only got her DL recently after a 20+ year hiatus - I had to teach her how to drive all over again, this time with a manual transmission - she's not a confident driver, and may never be. I don't expect my spare time to expand, and I don't care that much about it, as such. But, I am going to have to start insisting that management hire stronger staff, or do more training for current staff - and for myself. I'm good at what I do, but lack of training for 8 years (other than what I pick up on these lists and a lot of web browsing) is not the way forward. OTOH, I did purchase for myself three machines, so that in my copious free time I can put together a Xen/iSCSI environment. We'll see how far I get with that. Have to upgrade/replace the disks, because these were used Dell 1950s, but each came with 8gb RAM. That should prove to be fun... Kurt On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 13:40, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone tells you it (the time sink thing) gets better they're lying. My daughter consumes more of my time now than when she was your son's age. Wouldn't change a thing, though. Luckily I do the day-care dropoff and she has the pickup, so I can work late when necessary... On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Heh. If only I had the time... On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 13:07, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote: Yes, cert. I had the same attitude, but I am actually enjoying it and learning a lot. Each to their own. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Test? You mean certification? Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995. Kurt On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote: They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network
RE: Server Core
What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the adoption of Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal, particularly based on all the desire for the features from customers and the amount of dev that went into them. Less than 10% of expectations I was told. Those I have heard speak about it are pretty disappointed considering that 80% of the AD dev time in the 2K3 timeframe was devoted to Branch Office functionalityfunctionality that customers were screaming for -Original Message- From: Chris Blair [mailto:chris_bl...@identisys.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:58 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Server Core They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Uh, So what needs a GUI on top? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:22, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Server core is good for anything that doesn’t need a gui on top. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core Would I be correct in telling my fellow SE’s that Server Core typical uses are remote DC (along with RODC), hyper-V hosts and web servers? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
Re: Server Core
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the adoption of Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal, particularly based on all the desire for the features from customers and the amount of dev that went into them. Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered. As per that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using Server Core for very much. Microsoft's party line is you're not supposed to use it for third-party software at all. The number of servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically zero. Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant adoption? This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something which technically met the request, but totally missed the point. (And you still can't run it on a serial console.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
So I am almost done converting our domain to 2008R2. I have 2 branch campuses left which each has a controller that only runs dns. We have good poin to point circuits to the 2 remote sites. So do I go Server Core with RODCs? Thanks! -Original Message- From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Server Core On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the adoption of Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal, particularly based on all the desire for the features from customers and the amount of dev that went into them. Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered. As per that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using Server Core for very much. Microsoft's party line is you're not supposed to use it for third-party software at all. The number of servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically zero. Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant adoption? This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something which technically met the request, but totally missed the point. (And you still can't run it on a serial console.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
(And you still can't run it on a serial console.) Not 100% true, 2008 allows one to enable an EMS console. Apparently you can even run PS from the console:) That's about as serial as it gets. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
If they are only going to run DNS, then Core is a good choice. Chyka, Robert bch...@medaille.edu 6/3/2010 3:16 PM So I am almost done converting our domain to 2008R2. I have 2 branch campuses left which each has a controller that only runs dns. We have good poin to point circuits to the 2 remote sites. So do I go Server Core with RODCs? Thanks! -Original Message- From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Server Core On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the adoption of Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal, particularly based on all the desire for the features from customers and the amount of dev that went into them. Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered. As per that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using Server Core for very much. Microsoft's party line is you're not supposed to use it for third-party software at all. The number of servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically zero. Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant adoption? This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something which technically met the request, but totally missed the point. (And you still can't run it on a serial console.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
Lack of a GIU or support for 3rd party applications wasn't the case for developing core, at least not in the sessions and discussions I attended. Lack of a GUI was not really even part of the equation, at least not from a feature standpoint. What people were saying was, we want a server with a very limited attack surface to run very specific infrastructure roles with minimal code running on it so we don't have to patch/reboot it. We want to hot-patch, we want a very small footprint. We have dozens of web servers that are just web servers. We run DCs standalone with absolutely nothing else on them. etc, etc. There are a lot of servers out there that are not running applications that perform very specific roles, that is what core was designed to address. If you come from a small environment that isn't compelling but if you have tens or hundreds of say pure file servers or web servers or domain controllers it makes a lot of sense. If the hotpatching had come to fruition, I think it would possibly be a different story. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: What is interesting is if you talk to the product group and PSS the adoption of Server Core, and RODC for that matter, is abysmal, particularly based on all the desire for the features from customers and the amount of dev that went into them. Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered. As per that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using Server Core for very much. Microsoft's party line is you're not supposed to use it for third-party software at all. The number of servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically zero. Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant adoption? (And you still can't run it on a serial console.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Just wait until they get to middle school or high school and you want to keep track of them. I do the pickup for my teenage daughter who is in high school and do the followups when she is going some place the wife and I don't know about. Maybe protective but she attracts way too many boys/men with her looks. Jon On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: If anyone tells you it (the time sink thing) gets better they're lying. My daughter consumes more of my time now than when she was your son's age. Wouldn't change a thing, though. Luckily I do the day-care dropoff and she has the pickup, so I can work late when necessary... On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Heh. If only I had the time... On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 13:07, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote: Yes, cert. I had the same attitude, but I am actually enjoying it and learning a lot. Each to their own. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Test? You mean certification? Certs are for the weak. I overcame that need in 1995. Kurt On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:57, Chris Blair chris_bl...@identisys.com wrote: They sure push Server Core hard in the 70-640 test. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Interesting, and good to know. Still, the more they can support on core, the better, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:48, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Remember the purpose of core was not to be an application platform but to “provide a minimal environment for running specific server roles that reduces the maintenance and management requirements and the attack surface for those server roles.” http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/r2-compare-core-installation.aspx Caveat to the snippet below- R2 now supports 11 roles rather than the original 9 and we also have .NET now but the underlying message is the same- From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184076.aspx Consider again the nine server roles you can install on Server Core: AD DS AD LDS DNS DHCP File Services Print Services Streaming Media Services Web Server (IIS) Hyper-V This list of roles should immediately suggest some possible usage scenarios for Server Core within your organization. Here are some ways that you could use Server Core to make your network more secure, more reliable, easier to manage, and easier to maintain: Infrastructure servers. Domain controllers, DHCP servers, and DNS servers are the backbone of your network. Running these roles on Server Core can strengthen this backbone in every way. Branch office servers. Because Server Core installations are more secure and require fewer software updates than Full installations, they are ideal for use in remote locations, such as branch offices where you have few (or no) information technology (IT) staff and less physical security than at your head office location. For example, you might deploy a Server Core installation as a read-only domain controller with BitLocker for added security at a branch office. Server consolidation and testing. Because Hyper-V is a supported role on Server Core, you can use Server Core to consolidate multiple servers onto a single system while still keeping them isolated. This can help lower your TCO by reducing your hardware requirements and your power, cooling, and management costs. Server Core running Hyper-V also provides a convenient environment for deployment testing. Extending hardware life. Because Server Core has lower disk and memory requirements than Full installations, you may be able to get more life out of old systems. For example, when you need to upgrade your e-mail or database servers, those boxes could be moved down the line to become network infrastructure servers running Server Core. Non-Usage Scenarios What shouldn't you use Server Core for? The main thing to understand is that Server Core is intended to run only the nine server roles listed previously. Nothing else. In other words, Server Core can't be used as a platform for running server applications such as Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL Server, or third-party server applications like SAP. You also can't use it for running Microsoft Office System applications or Microsoft Office SharePoint Server. And you can't (or at least shouldn't) use it to run custom applications you've developed in-house. In short, Server Core is not an application hosting platform. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:31 AM
Re: Server Core
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: What people were saying was, we want a server with a very limited attack surface to run very specific infrastructure roles with minimal code running on it so we don't have to patch/reboot it. .. There are a lot of servers out there that are not running applications that perform very specific roles, that is what core was designed to address. Ah. I guess I didn't understand how Server Core was being positioned myself. I thought it was supposed to be more general-purpose. Decrease attack surface and resource load and management burden, yes, but for any kind of server, not just server-doing-only-one-thing. So is that 10% adoption figure for Server Core? If so, is that 10% of all Win Server deployments, per customer? If so, then that seems like a reasonable adoption rate. If it's 10% of all Win Server deployments, per *server*, that would be another thing. The number of *customers* who need that kind of scenario is fairly small, but they've got a *lot* of boxes. If the hotpatching had come to fruition, I think it would possibly be a different story. *That* would be a big deal for just about everybody! :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Speaking of which, is there Core edition specific AV? Inquiring minds want to know! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Thu Jun 03 19:47:47 2010 Subject: Re: Server Core On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: What people were saying was, we want a server with a very limited attack surface to run very specific infrastructure roles with minimal code running on it so we don't have to patch/reboot it. .. There are a lot of servers out there that are not running applications that perform very specific roles, that is what core was designed to address. Ah. I guess I didn't understand how Server Core was being positioned myself. I thought it was supposed to be more general-purpose. Decrease attack surface and resource load and management burden, yes, but for any kind of server, not just server-doing-only-one-thing. So is that 10% adoption figure for Server Core? If so, is that 10% of all Win Server deployments, per customer? If so, then that seems like a reasonable adoption rate. If it's 10% of all Win Server deployments, per *server*, that would be another thing. The number of *customers* who need that kind of scenario is fairly small, but they've got a *lot* of boxes. If the hotpatching had come to fruition, I think it would possibly be a different story. *That* would be a big deal for just about everybody! :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Your point is well made, Ben, but many environments that could use Server Core don't have the requisite scripting skills to manage it either. And companies are not trying to train people these days. And the economy hasn't been helpful of late. But I think that the lack of hotpatching played a role as well. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Jun 3, 2010 6:10 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: What is interesting is if you talk... Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered. As per that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using Server Core for very much. Microsoft's party line is you're not supposed to use it for third-party software at all. The number of servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically zero. Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant adoption? This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something which technically met the request, but totally missed the point. (And you still can't run it on a serial console.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
Yep. This becomes even more problematic when you outsource to low cost locations. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core Your point is well made, Ben, but many environments that could use Server Core don't have the requisite scripting skills to manage it either. And companies are not trying to train people these days. And the economy hasn't been helpful of late. But I think that the lack of hotpatching played a role as well. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Jun 3, 2010 6:10 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.commailto:r...@pge.com wrote: What is interesting is if you talk... Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered. As per that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using Server Core for very much. Microsoft's party line is you're not supposed to use it for third-party software at all. The number of servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically zero. Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant adoption? This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something which technically met the request, but totally missed the point. (And you still can't run it on a serial console.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
Core Configurator http://coreconfig.codeplex.com/ It's not a panacea by any means, but it does help bring Server Core (and perhaps more importantly, Hyper-V Server 2008 R2) to the table for the rank and file admin. RS ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core
I thought that even if the server was setup as a Core you could use the GUI interface on a Windows 7 type of machine using the RSAT tools. Is this not the case? Jon On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Your point is well made, Ben, but many environments that could use Server Core don't have the requisite scripting skills to manage it either. And companies are not trying to train people these days. And the economy hasn't been helpful of late. But I think that the lack of hotpatching played a role as well. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Jun 3, 2010 6:10 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: What is interesting is if you talk... Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered. As per that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using Server Core for very much. Microsoft's party line is you're not supposed to use it for third-party software at all. The number of servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically zero. Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant adoption? This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something which technically met the request, but totally missed the point. (And you still can't run it on a serial console.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
You can Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core I thought that even if the server was setup as a Core you could use the GUI interface on a Windows 7 type of machine using the RSAT tools. Is this not the case? Jon On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Your point is well made, Ben, but many environments that could use Server Core don't have the requisite scripting skills to manage it either. And companies are not trying to train people these days. And the economy hasn't been helpful of late. But I think that the lack of hotpatching played a role as well. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Jun 3, 2010 6:10 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.commailto:r...@pge.com wrote: What is interesting is if you talk... Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered. As per that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using Server Core for very much. Microsoft's party line is you're not supposed to use it for third-party software at all. The number of servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically zero. Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant adoption? This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something which technically met the request, but totally missed the point. (And you still can't run it on a serial console.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co.http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co./.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core
You are correct, it is the case - as long as the firewall on the server is configured correctly (to allow remote management). Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server Core I thought that even if the server was setup as a Core you could use the GUI interface on a Windows 7 type of machine using the RSAT tools. Is this not the case? Jon On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Your point is well made, Ben, but many environments that could use Server Core don't have the requisite scripting skills to manage it either. And companies are not trying to train people these days. And the economy hasn't been helpful of late. But I think that the lack of hotpatching played a role as well. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Jun 3, 2010 6:10 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.commailto:r...@pge.com wrote: What is interesting is if you talk... Well, in the case of Server Core, I would guess that might be because of the limited usefulness of the product as delivered. As per that TechNet article you quoted, Microsoft doesn't support using Server Core for very much. Microsoft's party line is you're not supposed to use it for third-party software at all. The number of servers without *any* third-party software on them is practically zero. Why on Earth did Microsoft think that would see significant adoption? This is a classic case of a company hearing a request -- we don't want to have to run a GUI on our servers -- and delivering something which technically met the request, but totally missed the point. (And you still can't run it on a serial console.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co.http://www.sunbeltsoftware.co./.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup
Still no change. I've talked with our Microsoft rep, and he is opening up a free case for me. I'll let you all know what we find. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And how did this turn out? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:24 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup I appreciate the help Michael. 1. Yes, the destination folder does exist. However, I also get the same error if I run wbadmin get disks just to get a list of the disks...so I'm thinking that perhaps there is something wrong with the service? I haven't changed any permissions on the server either on the disk or in the registry since it was setup. 2. The last scheduled backup would have been through Backup Exec. And yes, it completed successfully. 3. Am I supposed to manually allocate space for VSS to use wbadmin.exe? I hadn't seen this in the documents I've looked at for using wbadmin. 4. Yes, the volume is idle while I'm trying to perform the backup. I'll look into allocating space for VSS to see if that makes any difference. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'm sure I could fiddle around with it and get it to work, I'm just trying to think what I've had happen in the past to help you: 1] Does the destination folder exist? 2] did the last scheduled backup work? 3] do you have space allocated for VSS? 4] is the volume idle (more or less) while you are doing the backup? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 5:59 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup Unfortunately this didn't change a thing. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Rob Bonfiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm doing that as we speak actuallyrealized that was the one thing I hadn't removed yet. Just removing the DPM agent didn't do anything for me. So, while the DPM agent is uninstalled I am removing the feature, rebooting, and then will reinstall the backup feature. I'll let ya know if I have any luck. Thanks for the suggestion. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried removing the dpm agent? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 4:55 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Core and Windows Server Backup I am having trouble getting Windows Server Backup to run properly on all 3 of my 2008 Server Core installations. Initially I had installed the Backup Exec remote agent on the machines, but we are moving to DPM. I installed the DPM agent on the machines, and installed the Windows Server Backup feature, but I wasn't getting a backup of my system state. So, I went to the machines to try and use wbadmin to do a local system state backup to see if I could perform one apart from DPM. Here is the syntax I am using, and the error message that is given back to me: E:\wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e:\Backup The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices associated with it. I get the same error if I attempt to perform the backup from the C: drive (to the folder on the E: drive.) I uninstalled the Symantec remote agent using MSIExec. I uninstalled the WindowsServerBackup role, rebooted, installed the role, rebooted, and tried running the above command again, yet I still have the same result. To install the feature I simply entered: start /w ocsetup WindowsServerBackup Looking in the event logs I see where the Block level backup engine service successfully started. After about 5 minutes the event logs show that the BLB service successfully stops. If I look at the services, I see the BLB service is set to manual. Before I run
Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup
I appreciate the help Michael. 1. Yes, the destination folder does exist. However, I also get the same error if I run wbadmin get disks just to get a list of the disks...so I'm thinking that perhaps there is something wrong with the service? I haven't changed any permissions on the server either on the disk or in the registry since it was setup. 2. The last scheduled backup would have been through Backup Exec. And yes, it completed successfully. 3. Am I supposed to manually allocate space for VSS to use wbadmin.exe? I hadn't seen this in the documents I've looked at for using wbadmin. 4. Yes, the volume is idle while I'm trying to perform the backup. I'll look into allocating space for VSS to see if that makes any difference. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'm sure I could fiddle around with it and get it to work, I'm just trying to think what I've had happen in the past to help you: 1] Does the destination folder exist? 2] did the last scheduled backup work? 3] do you have space allocated for VSS? 4] is the volume idle (more or less) while you are doing the backup? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 5:59 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup Unfortunately this didn't change a thing. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Rob Bonfiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm doing that as we speak actuallyrealized that was the one thing I hadn't removed yet. Just removing the DPM agent didn't do anything for me. So, while the DPM agent is uninstalled I am removing the feature, rebooting, and then will reinstall the backup feature. I'll let ya know if I have any luck. Thanks for the suggestion. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried removing the dpm agent? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 4:55 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Core and Windows Server Backup I am having trouble getting Windows Server Backup to run properly on all 3 of my 2008 Server Core installations. Initially I had installed the Backup Exec remote agent on the machines, but we are moving to DPM. I installed the DPM agent on the machines, and installed the Windows Server Backup feature, but I wasn't getting a backup of my system state. So, I went to the machines to try and use wbadmin to do a local system state backup to see if I could perform one apart from DPM. Here is the syntax I am using, and the error message that is given back to me: E:\wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e:\Backup The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices associated with it. I get the same error if I attempt to perform the backup from the C: drive (to the folder on the E: drive.) I uninstalled the Symantec remote agent using MSIExec. I uninstalled the WindowsServerBackup role, rebooted, installed the role, rebooted, and tried running the above command again, yet I still have the same result. To install the feature I simply entered: start /w ocsetup WindowsServerBackup Looking in the event logs I see where the Block level backup engine service successfully started. After about 5 minutes the event logs show that the BLB service successfully stops. If I look at the services, I see the BLB service is set to manual. Before I run the wbadmin command the service is stopped. After I run it the service starts. I get no errors related to the backup in the event logs beyond what the program spits back out to me (see above.) Has anyone had any similar problems? Any suggests, or care to point out anything obviously stupid that I have done so far? ;-) Thanks for any help! Rob ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Server Core and Windows Server Backup
Have you tried removing the dpm agent? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange From: Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Server Core and Windows Server Backup I am having trouble getting Windows Server Backup to run properly on all 3 of my 2008 Server Core installations. Initially I had installed the Backup Exec remote agent on the machines, but we are moving to DPM. I installed the DPM agent on the machines, and installed the Windows Server Backup feature, but I wasn't getting a backup of my system state. So, I went to the machines to try and use wbadmin to do a local system state backup to see if I could perform one apart from DPM. Here is the syntax I am using, and the error message that is given back to me: E:\wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e:\Backup The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices associated with it. I get the same error if I attempt to perform the backup from the C: drive (to the folder on the E: drive.) I uninstalled the Symantec remote agent using MSIExec. I uninstalled the WindowsServerBackup role, rebooted, installed the role, rebooted, and tried running the above command again, yet I still have the same result. To install the feature I simply entered: start /w ocsetup WindowsServerBackup Looking in the event logs I see where the Block level backup engine service successfully started. After about 5 minutes the event logs show that the BLB service successfully stops. If I look at the services, I see the BLB service is set to manual. Before I run the wbadmin command the service is stopped. After I run it the service starts. I get no errors related to the backup in the event logs beyond what the program spits back out to me (see above.) Has anyone had any similar problems? Any suggests, or care to point out anything obviously stupid that I have done so far? ;-) Thanks for any help! Rob ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup
I'm doing that as we speak actuallyrealized that was the one thing I hadn't removed yet. Just removing the DPM agent didn't do anything for me. So, while the DPM agent is uninstalled I am removing the feature, rebooting, and then will reinstall the backup feature. I'll let ya know if I have any luck. Thanks for the suggestion. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried removing the dpm agent? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 4:55 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Core and Windows Server Backup I am having trouble getting Windows Server Backup to run properly on all 3 of my 2008 Server Core installations. Initially I had installed the Backup Exec remote agent on the machines, but we are moving to DPM. I installed the DPM agent on the machines, and installed the Windows Server Backup feature, but I wasn't getting a backup of my system state. So, I went to the machines to try and use wbadmin to do a local system state backup to see if I could perform one apart from DPM. Here is the syntax I am using, and the error message that is given back to me: E:\wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e:\Backup The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices associated with it. I get the same error if I attempt to perform the backup from the C: drive (to the folder on the E: drive.) I uninstalled the Symantec remote agent using MSIExec. I uninstalled the WindowsServerBackup role, rebooted, installed the role, rebooted, and tried running the above command again, yet I still have the same result. To install the feature I simply entered: start /w ocsetup WindowsServerBackup Looking in the event logs I see where the Block level backup engine service successfully started. After about 5 minutes the event logs show that the BLB service successfully stops. If I look at the services, I see the BLB service is set to manual. Before I run the wbadmin command the service is stopped. After I run it the service starts. I get no errors related to the backup in the event logs beyond what the program spits back out to me (see above.) Has anyone had any similar problems? Any suggests, or care to point out anything obviously stupid that I have done so far? ;-) Thanks for any help! Rob ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Server Core and Windows Server Backup
Unfortunately this didn't change a thing. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Rob Bonfiglio [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I'm doing that as we speak actuallyrealized that was the one thing I hadn't removed yet. Just removing the DPM agent didn't do anything for me. So, while the DPM agent is uninstalled I am removing the feature, rebooting, and then will reinstall the backup feature. I'll let ya know if I have any luck. Thanks for the suggestion. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried removing the dpm agent? Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michaelhttp://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2008 4:55 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Server Core and Windows Server Backup I am having trouble getting Windows Server Backup to run properly on all 3 of my 2008 Server Core installations. Initially I had installed the Backup Exec remote agent on the machines, but we are moving to DPM. I installed the DPM agent on the machines, and installed the Windows Server Backup feature, but I wasn't getting a backup of my system state. So, I went to the machines to try and use wbadmin to do a local system state backup to see if I could perform one apart from DPM. Here is the syntax I am using, and the error message that is given back to me: E:\wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e:\Backup The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices associated with it. I get the same error if I attempt to perform the backup from the C: drive (to the folder on the E: drive.) I uninstalled the Symantec remote agent using MSIExec. I uninstalled the WindowsServerBackup role, rebooted, installed the role, rebooted, and tried running the above command again, yet I still have the same result. To install the feature I simply entered: start /w ocsetup WindowsServerBackup Looking in the event logs I see where the Block level backup engine service successfully started. After about 5 minutes the event logs show that the BLB service successfully stops. If I look at the services, I see the BLB service is set to manual. Before I run the wbadmin command the service is stopped. After I run it the service starts. I get no errors related to the backup in the event logs beyond what the program spits back out to me (see above.) Has anyone had any similar problems? Any suggests, or care to point out anything obviously stupid that I have done so far? ;-) Thanks for any help! Rob ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
