RE: 'Clean' power and UPSes, can I skip it for a Redundant Power Supply?

[Sam Cayze]

Great point.  I might have to test that out with a Killawatt meter and see
what my actual savings may be.

 

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 'Clean' power and UPSes, can I skip it for a Redundant Power
Supply?

 

Mainly guessing here, but I don't think you're gonna save too much.  The
load of the server isn't eaten up by the power supplies, but rather the
spinning disc, fans and CPU.  Eliminating one power supply will just make
the other PS work harder. So, in the event of a power failure, instead of
drawing 50% of the power from each PS, you'll be drawing 100% from the
remaining PS. 

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 11:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 'Clean' power and UPSes, can I skip it for a Redundant Power
Supply?

 

So, all of my servers have redundant power supplies.

Thinking of ways to extent my UPS run time, I was thinking maybe I could
split off the load of the second power supplies on each server and skip the
UPS.  Therefore, in a power outage, each server only runs off 1 power supply
instead of 2.  About half the load on my UPS.  I think I can live with that.

 

But how risky is it to run servers on non 'clean' power the UPSes provide?
I obviously use a rack-grade surge protector from Tripp Lite or something. 

 

Worth the risk? Thoughts?

 

Thanks,
Sam

 

 

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Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Cook  wrote:
>>> Dell only warrants their laptop batteries for 6 months IIRC.
>>
>> 1 year for standard batteries for the Latitude series.  You can pay
>> a premium to get a battery with a 3 year warranty.
>
> Good to know, is that prorated or a straight up NIB replacement for the dead 
> battery?

  Haven't tried the premium battery, but we did have one of the
standard batteries stop holding a charge around 10 months or so after
purchase.  Dell overnighted us a new one for no additional charge.
Now, we *do* buy the premium support; that may or may not make a
difference.

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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Glen Johnson]

"Given the sporadic and marginally controlled nature of electricity being 
supplied for charging it isn't a big surprise."
This statement makes absolutely no sense.
There are so many regulators between the wall socket and the battery there 
would be no bearing on electricity and battery life, especially in a laptop.


From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Do you mean on just buying and replacing a battery without a computer?

Because I can buy a computer with 1 year on the battery, and I can increase the 
battery warranty up to 3 years.  Any batteries dying in that time get replaced. 
 Not sure what you're saying here, so I'd appreciate a clarification
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:23 PM, John Cook 
mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>> wrote:
Dell only warrants their laptop batteries for 6 months IIRC. Given the sporadic 
and marginally controlled nature of electricity being supplied for charging it 
isn't a big surprise.

John W. Cook
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5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

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From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:18 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Just heard back from Minuteman. They only warranty their replacement batteries 
for 90 days...



From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Interesting-it looks like APC warranties the battery that comes in a UPS for 
two years, but the replacement battery for only one. I'll need to check with 
the other companies to see how they handle that.

Warranties don't preclude failures, but one might reasonably assume that the 
longer a company warranties something, the greater their confidence that the 
item being covered will last.


John





From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]<mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Sort of. Warranties do not preclude failures, they only give you (with proper 
documentation as JH could not provide) recourse for replacement at the 
manufacturers discretion. That said, here is the official stance from APC
http://www.apc.com/support/faq.cfm#9



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Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Jonathan]

My experinence with TrippLite was while the UPS was ok, the management
interface was pure CRAP. APC has a MUCH better management interface for
network connected UPSes. The ability to give detailed information on the
status of the unit, power quality, batteries, etc, combined with alerting
and thresholds the likes of which I have not seen on other models. I have
not looked at Minuteman or CyberPower, but APC seems to me to have the best
bells and whistles if you're serious about protecting your infrastructure.
I used Best Power (now Eatin) a number of years back, but their interface
was not as robust as APC. The UPS itself was a rock solid unit, IMO.

As for batteries, SLA (Sealed Lead Acid) technology has not changed
significantly over the years as best as I can tell. Like a car battery, you
should be able to get roughly 3 years, possibly as many as 5 years out of a
SLA battery. If you're running batteries in your system that are 7 years
old, you're begging for down time, IMO.

APC will not reinstate a support contract on a Symmetra UPS if the
batteries are more than 3 years old unless you replace all of the
batteries. This I know for a fact, because I'm in the process of doing this
right now.

Now, if you're talking about UPSes for the desktopwho cares. Don't buy
the cheapest, but don't go crazy and buy the most expensive, either. All
you care about (for the most part) is having enough run time to be able to
survive boils and outages of a few minutes or less, and enough that you can
save your work and cleanly shut down the system. If your business
requirements are such that you need to be able to run your desktops for
extended periods of time no matter what, then you should have or be looking
into some sort of power plantdiesel, natural gas, hydrogen (yes, they
do exist), etc

HTH,

Jonathan
 On Jun 13, 2012 3:54 PM, "joe user"  wrote:

> +1 and add Tripplite...
>
>
> On 6/13/2012 9:51 AM, Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>
>> I've been using CyberPower for over a year now (probably close to 2),
>> and I'm very happy with them.   Including my former employer, I
>> purchased about 10 of them.
>>
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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[John Cook]

Good to know, is that prorated or a straight up NIB replacement for the dead 
battery?

John W. Cook
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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 4:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:23 PM, John Cook  wrote:
> Dell only warrants their laptop batteries for 6 months IIRC.

  1 year for standard batteries for the Latitude series.  You can pay
a premium to get a battery with a 3 year warranty.

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Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:23 PM, John Cook  wrote:
> Dell only warrants their laptop batteries for 6 months IIRC.

  1 year for standard batteries for the Latitude series.  You can pay
a premium to get a battery with a 3 year warranty.

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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[John Cook]

I've never seen anything on upgrading the warranty on the batteries so I'll 
take your word for it. Maybe it was a year, it's been a while.

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Gainesville, Fl 32607
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Cell (352) 215-6944

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From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Do you mean on just buying and replacing a battery without a computer?

Because I can buy a computer with 1 year on the battery, and I can increase the 
battery warranty up to 3 years.  Any batteries dying in that time get replaced. 
 Not sure what you're saying here, so I'd appreciate a clarification
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:23 PM, John Cook 
mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>> wrote:
Dell only warrants their laptop batteries for 6 months IIRC. Given the sporadic 
and marginally controlled nature of electricity being supplied for charging it 
isn't a big surprise.

John W. Cook
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Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:18 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Just heard back from Minuteman. They only warranty their replacement batteries 
for 90 days...



From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Interesting-it looks like APC warranties the battery that comes in a UPS for 
two years, but the replacement battery for only one. I'll need to check with 
the other companies to see how they handle that.

Warranties don't preclude failures, but one might reasonably assume that the 
longer a company warranties something, the greater their confidence that the 
item being covered will last.


John





From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]<mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Sort of. Warranties do not preclude failures, they only give you (with proper 
documentation as JH could not provide) recourse for replacement at the 
manufacturers discretion. That said, here is the official stance from APC
http://www.apc.com/support/faq.cfm#9



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Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Jonathan Link]

Do you mean on just buying and replacing a battery without a computer?

Because I can buy a computer with 1 year on the battery, and I can increase
the battery warranty up to 3 years.  Any batteries dying in that time get
replaced.  Not sure what you're saying here, so I'd appreciate a
clarification

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:23 PM, John Cook  wrote:

>  Dell only warrants their laptop batteries for 6 months IIRC. Given the
> sporadic and marginally controlled nature of electricity being supplied for
> charging it isn’t a big surprise.
>
> ** **
>
> *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
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>
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> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:18 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC
>
>  ** **
>
> Just heard back from Minuteman. They only warranty their replacement
> batteries for 90 days…
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:04 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC
>
> ** **
>
> Interesting—it looks like APC warranties the battery that comes in a UPS
> for two years, but the replacement battery for only one. I’ll need to check
> with the other companies to see how they handle that.
>
> ** **
>
> Warranties don’t preclude failures, but one might reasonably assume that
> the longer a company warranties something, the greater their confidence
> that the item being covered will last.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:28 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC
>
> ** **
>
> Sort of. Warranties do not preclude failures, they only give you (with
> proper documentation as JH could not provide) recourse for replacement at
> the manufacturers discretion. That said, here is the official stance from
> APC
>
> http://www.apc.com/support/faq.cfm#9 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
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Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[joe user]

+1 and add Tripplite...


On 6/13/2012 9:51 AM, Andrew S. Baker wrote:

I've been using CyberPower for over a year now (probably close to 2),
and I'm very happy with them.   Including my former employer, I
purchased about 10 of them.



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Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:
> Just heard back from Minuteman. They only warranty their replacement
> batteries for 90 days…

/me crosses Minuteman off my list

  Thanks for the info!

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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[John Cook]

Dell only warrants their laptop batteries for 6 months IIRC. Given the sporadic 
and marginally controlled nature of electricity being supplied for charging it 
isn't a big surprise.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Just heard back from Minuteman. They only warranty their replacement batteries 
for 90 days...



From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Interesting-it looks like APC warranties the battery that comes in a UPS for 
two years, but the replacement battery for only one. I'll need to check with 
the other companies to see how they handle that.

Warranties don't preclude failures, but one might reasonably assume that the 
longer a company warranties something, the greater their confidence that the 
item being covered will last.


John





From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]<mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Sort of. Warranties do not preclude failures, they only give you (with proper 
documentation as JH could not provide) recourse for replacement at the 
manufacturers discretion. That said, here is the official stance from APC
http://www.apc.com/support/faq.cfm#9



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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[John Hornbuckle]

Just heard back from Minuteman. They only warranty their replacement batteries 
for 90 days...



From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Interesting-it looks like APC warranties the battery that comes in a UPS for 
two years, but the replacement battery for only one. I'll need to check with 
the other companies to see how they handle that.

Warranties don't preclude failures, but one might reasonably assume that the 
longer a company warranties something, the greater their confidence that the 
item being covered will last.


John





From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]<mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Sort of. Warranties do not preclude failures, they only give you (with proper 
documentation as JH could not provide) recourse for replacement at the 
manufacturers discretion. That said, here is the official stance from APC
http://www.apc.com/support/faq.cfm#9



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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[John Hornbuckle]

Interesting-it looks like APC warranties the battery that comes in a UPS for 
two years, but the replacement battery for only one. I'll need to check with 
the other companies to see how they handle that.

Warranties don't preclude failures, but one might reasonably assume that the 
longer a company warranties something, the greater their confidence that the 
item being covered will last.


John





From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Sort of. Warranties do not preclude failures, they only give you (with proper 
documentation as JH could not provide) recourse for replacement at the 
manufacturers discretion. That said, here is the official stance from APC
http://www.apc.com/support/faq.cfm#9



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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[John Cook]

Sort of. Warranties do not preclude failures, they only give you (with proper 
documentation as JH could not provide) recourse for replacement at the 
manufacturers discretion. That said, here is the official stance from APC
http://www.apc.com/support/faq.cfm#9



John W. Cook
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Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Even if the quality were identical, a 3x longer warranty provided a much better 
situation than the present.
ASB

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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:02 PM, John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
I don't really care who makes the batteries; APC's name is on them, and APC is 
who I hold responsible for their performance. For the past couple of years, I 
haven't been impressed with the life we've been getting from our APC batteries. 
My reseller indicated that he has heard similar comments from other people, so 
I don't think I'm alone.

The dead/swelling battery wasn't in a unit-it hadn't even been taken out of the 
box. APC refused to make the situation right, and that was my tipping point.

If other UPS manufacturers are willing to warrant their batteries for three 
years vs. APC's one, I'd be remiss not to at least explore those options. If it 
turns out that their quality is no better than APC's, then I won't switch.


John


From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:37 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Well that's kind of like saying you want to look at other makes of cars because 
your battery died really quickly in your Ford, or you wanted to get away from 
your Sony laptop because the battery crapped. APC doesn't make batteries, 
that's outsourced. I've never had an issue with an APC unit itself and if the 
batteries are replaced on a regularly scheduled basis (read - not when they're 
dead and swelling up in the unit) you should not see any issues.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]<mailto:[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

We've been an APC shop here for a long time, but lately I've been thinking of 
trying something else. I've not been impressed with the battery life of our 
UPSes, and APC only warrants them for a year. We had a battery that sat in a 
closet for a while, and when we opened it to use it we found that it had 
leaked. This was clearly a defective battery, and thankfully it wasn't in a 
UPS-but APC refused to replace it because it was just over a year old. I should 
add, it was just over a year since it was *manufactured*. Not that we had had 
it for that long. But we had no proof of purchase, and APC was unwilling to 
help.

Minuteman advertises three-year warranties on its batteries (at least the ones 
in the higher-end models, it looks like). Our reseller has also suggested 
CyberPower.

Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I'm looking for 
warnings or recommendations.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[John Cook]

HAhahaha, I bet you have spectacular run time!  I believe 3 years is 
recommended which is what we shoot for.

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5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
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Cell (352) 215-6944

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From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Hijacking this for moment...

"if the batteries are replaced on a regularly scheduled basis"...

What do you see as a good regularly scheduled basis?
I have been running the same batteries in my 3000's for 7 years...



From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Well that's kind of like saying you want to look at other makes of cars because 
your battery died really quickly in your Ford, or you wanted to get away from 
your Sony laptop because the battery crapped. APC doesn't make batteries, 
that's outsourced. I've never had an issue with an APC unit itself and if the 
batteries are replaced on a regularly scheduled basis (read - not when they're 
dead and swelling up in the unit) you should not see any issues.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

We've been an APC shop here for a long time, but lately I've been thinking of 
trying something else. I've not been impressed with the battery life of our 
UPSes, and APC only warrants them for a year. We had a battery that sat in a 
closet for a while, and when we opened it to use it we found that it had 
leaked. This was clearly a defective battery, and thankfully it wasn't in a 
UPS-but APC refused to replace it because it was just over a year old. I should 
add, it was just over a year since it was *manufactured*. Not that we had had 
it for that long. But we had no proof of purchase, and APC was unwilling to 
help.

Minuteman advertises three-year warranties on its batteries (at least the ones 
in the higher-end models, it looks like). Our reseller has also suggested 
CyberPower.

Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I'm looking for 
warnings or recommendations.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Glen Johnson]

We switched from APC to TrippLite 2 or 3 years ago and I am much happier.
APC's constantly had swollen batteries and short run time.
Granted, we did go to the online models from TrippLite, but they have worked 
well.
Now, apparently not all APC's have that problem.  We have one big unit that 
powers a cisco 6506 switch, 208 volt 7200va and it has been rock solid since 
2006.


From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

I don't really care who makes the batteries; APC's name is on them, and APC is 
who I hold responsible for their performance. For the past couple of years, I 
haven't been impressed with the life we've been getting from our APC batteries. 
My reseller indicated that he has heard similar comments from other people, so 
I don't think I'm alone.

The dead/swelling battery wasn't in a unit-it hadn't even been taken out of the 
box. APC refused to make the situation right, and that was my tipping point.

If other UPS manufacturers are willing to warrant their batteries for three 
years vs. APC's one, I'd be remiss not to at least explore those options. If it 
turns out that their quality is no better than APC's, then I won't switch.


John


From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]<mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Well that's kind of like saying you want to look at other makes of cars because 
your battery died really quickly in your Ford, or you wanted to get away from 
your Sony laptop because the battery crapped. APC doesn't make batteries, 
that's outsourced. I've never had an issue with an APC unit itself and if the 
batteries are replaced on a regularly scheduled basis (read - not when they're 
dead and swelling up in the unit) you should not see any issues.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]<mailto:[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

We've been an APC shop here for a long time, but lately I've been thinking of 
trying something else. I've not been impressed with the battery life of our 
UPSes, and APC only warrants them for a year. We had a battery that sat in a 
closet for a while, and when we opened it to use it we found that it had 
leaked. This was clearly a defective battery, and thankfully it wasn't in a 
UPS-but APC refused to replace it because it was just over a year old. I should 
add, it was just over a year since it was *manufactured*. Not that we had had 
it for that long. But we had no proof of purchase, and APC was unwilling to 
help.

Minuteman advertises three-year warranties on its batteries (at least the ones 
in the higher-end models, it looks like). Our reseller has also suggested 
CyberPower.

Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I'm looking for 
warnings or recommendations.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



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Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Andrew S. Baker]

Good point. I have a couple of Belkin 500W units that I've been using to
power my networking gear at home for over 3 years.  I forgot about them.

The batteries are not very expensive, either.

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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> I would add Belkin. I've had moderately good luck with them, both in my
> labs and at a couple of customers.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:54 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:24 AM, John Hornbuckle <
> john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:
> > Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I'm
> > looking for warnings or recommendations.
>
>   They all suck, in different ways.
>
>  APC: Aside from problems otherwise recently noted on this list, they seem
> to have the best spread of extended-run options.  Since they have the
> largest market-share, there seems to be more third-party software support.
>
>  Eaton (formerly PowerWare, formerly MGE, formerly BEST Power): Solid
> product.  Often less expensive than APC.  Good selection of online (double
> conversion) UPSes.  Their replacement battery P/N's are almost impossible
> to discover, and once you do, they're often only available direct from
> them.  Their model lineup is confusing and poorly differentiated.
>
>  Tripp-Lite (UPSes): Website support feels iffy.  Front panels are
> minimalist.  Batteries are often hard to change.  Had some quality problems
> several years back and I've avoided them since.
>
>  CyberPower: Their cheap consumer UPSes are incredibly craptacular.
> ASB says their higher-end models are much better, but I still shy away.
>
>  MinuteMan: Never used them, but I've had them recommended once or twice.
>
>  OneAC: Has been recommended to me once or twice.  Looks like a very
> robust, effective product (double conversion, galvanic isolation, etc.).
>  Big.  Heavy.  Expensive.
>
> -- Ben
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Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Andrew S. Baker]

Even if the quality were identical, a 3x longer warranty provided a much
better situation than the present.

* *

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*



On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:02 PM, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

> I don’t really care who makes the batteries; APC’s name is on them, and
> APC is who I hold responsible for their performance. For the past couple of
> years, I haven’t been impressed with the life we’ve been getting from our
> APC batteries. My reseller indicated that he has heard similar comments
> from other people, so I don’t think I’m alone.
>
> ** **
>
> The dead/swelling battery wasn’t in a unit—it hadn’t even been taken out
> of the box. APC refused to make the situation right, and that was my
> tipping point.
>
> ** **
>
> If other UPS manufacturers are willing to warrant their batteries for
> three years vs. APC’s one, I’d be remiss not to at least explore those
> options. If it turns out that their quality is no better than APC’s, then I
> won’t switch.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:37 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC
>
> ** **
>
> Well that’s kind of like saying you want to look at other makes of cars
> because your battery died really quickly in your Ford, or you wanted to get
> away from your Sony laptop because the battery crapped. APC doesn’t make
> batteries, that’s outsourced. I’ve never had an issue with an APC unit
> itself and if the batteries are replaced on a regularly scheduled basis
> (read – not when they’re dead and swelling up in the unit) you should not
> see any issues.
>
> ** **
>
> *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> ** **
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:25 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC
>
> ** **
>
> We’ve been an APC shop here for a long time, but lately I’ve been thinking
> of trying something else. I’ve not been impressed with the battery life of
> our UPSes, and APC only warrants them for a year. We had a battery that sat
> in a closet for a while, and when we opened it to use it we found that it
> had leaked. This was clearly a defective battery, and thankfully it wasn’t
> in a UPS—but APC refused to replace it because it was just over a year old.
> I should add, it was just over a year since it was **manufactured**. Not
> that we had had it for that long. But we had no proof of purchase, and APC
> was unwilling to help.
>
> ** **
>
> Minuteman advertises three-year warranties on its batteries (at least the
> ones in the higher-end models, it looks like). Our reseller has also
> suggested CyberPower.
>
> ** **
>
> Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I’m looking
> for warnings or recommendations.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
>
> MIS Department
>
> Taylor County School District
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
> ** **
>
>
> **
>

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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[David Mazzaccaro]

Hijacking this for moment...

 

"if the batteries are replaced on a regularly scheduled basis"...

 

What do you see as a good regularly scheduled basis?  

I have been running the same batteries in my 3000's for 7 years...

 

 

 

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

 

Well that's kind of like saying you want to look at other makes of cars
because your battery died really quickly in your Ford, or you wanted to
get away from your Sony laptop because the battery crapped. APC doesn't
make batteries, that's outsourced. I've never had an issue with an APC
unit itself and if the batteries are replaced on a regularly scheduled
basis (read - not when they're dead and swelling up in the unit) you
should not see any issues.

 

John W. Cook

System Administrator

Partnership For Strong Families

5950 NW 1st Place

Gainesville, Fl 32607

Office (352) 244-1610

Cell (352) 215-6944

 

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

 

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

 

We've been an APC shop here for a long time, but lately I've been
thinking of trying something else. I've not been impressed with the
battery life of our UPSes, and APC only warrants them for a year. We had
a battery that sat in a closet for a while, and when we opened it to use
it we found that it had leaked. This was clearly a defective battery,
and thankfully it wasn't in a UPS-but APC refused to replace it because
it was just over a year old. I should add, it was just over a year since
it was *manufactured*. Not that we had had it for that long. But we had
no proof of purchase, and APC was unwilling to help.

 

Minuteman advertises three-year warranties on its batteries (at least
the ones in the higher-end models, it looks like). Our reseller has also
suggested CyberPower.

 

Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I'm looking
for warnings or recommendations.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

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R: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

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Good Job

Guido Elia

HELPPC - HELPPC SERVICE

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Inviato: mercoledì 13 giugno 2012 17.54
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:24 AM, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I'm looking for
> warnings or recommendations.

  They all suck, in different ways.

  APC: Aside from problems otherwise recently noted on this list, they
seem to have the best spread of extended-run options.  Since they have
the largest market-share, there seems to be more third-party software
support.

  Eaton (formerly PowerWare, formerly MGE, formerly BEST Power): Solid
product.  Often less expensive than APC.  Good selection of online
(double conversion) UPSes.  Their replacement battery P/N's are almost
impossible to discover, and once you do, they're often only available
direct from them.  Their model lineup is confusing and poorly
differentiated.

  Tripp-Lite (UPSes): Website support feels iffy.  Front panels are
minimalist.  Batteries are often hard to change.  Had some quality
problems several years back and I've avoided them since.

  CyberPower: Their cheap consumer UPSes are incredibly craptacular.
ASB says their higher-end models are much better, but I still shy
away.

  MinuteMan: Never used them, but I've had them recommended once or twice.

  OneAC: Has been recommended to me once or twice.  Looks like a very
robust, effective product (double conversion, galvanic isolation,
etc.).  Big.  Heavy.  Expensive.

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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Michael B. Smith]

I would add Belkin. I've had moderately good luck with them, both in my labs 
and at a couple of customers.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:24 AM, John Hornbuckle 
 wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I'm 
> looking for warnings or recommendations.

  They all suck, in different ways.

  APC: Aside from problems otherwise recently noted on this list, they seem to 
have the best spread of extended-run options.  Since they have the largest 
market-share, there seems to be more third-party software support.

  Eaton (formerly PowerWare, formerly MGE, formerly BEST Power): Solid product. 
 Often less expensive than APC.  Good selection of online (double conversion) 
UPSes.  Their replacement battery P/N's are almost impossible to discover, and 
once you do, they're often only available direct from them.  Their model lineup 
is confusing and poorly differentiated.

  Tripp-Lite (UPSes): Website support feels iffy.  Front panels are minimalist. 
 Batteries are often hard to change.  Had some quality problems several years 
back and I've avoided them since.

  CyberPower: Their cheap consumer UPSes are incredibly craptacular.
ASB says their higher-end models are much better, but I still shy away.

  MinuteMan: Never used them, but I've had them recommended once or twice.

  OneAC: Has been recommended to me once or twice.  Looks like a very robust, 
effective product (double conversion, galvanic isolation, etc.).  Big.  Heavy.  
Expensive.

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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[John Hornbuckle]

I don't really care who makes the batteries; APC's name is on them, and APC is 
who I hold responsible for their performance. For the past couple of years, I 
haven't been impressed with the life we've been getting from our APC batteries. 
My reseller indicated that he has heard similar comments from other people, so 
I don't think I'm alone.

The dead/swelling battery wasn't in a unit-it hadn't even been taken out of the 
box. APC refused to make the situation right, and that was my tipping point.

If other UPS manufacturers are willing to warrant their batteries for three 
years vs. APC's one, I'd be remiss not to at least explore those options. If it 
turns out that their quality is no better than APC's, then I won't switch.


John


From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

Well that's kind of like saying you want to look at other makes of cars because 
your battery died really quickly in your Ford, or you wanted to get away from 
your Sony laptop because the battery crapped. APC doesn't make batteries, 
that's outsourced. I've never had an issue with an APC unit itself and if the 
batteries are replaced on a regularly scheduled basis (read - not when they're 
dead and swelling up in the unit) you should not see any issues.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]<mailto:[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

We've been an APC shop here for a long time, but lately I've been thinking of 
trying something else. I've not been impressed with the battery life of our 
UPSes, and APC only warrants them for a year. We had a battery that sat in a 
closet for a while, and when we opened it to use it we found that it had 
leaked. This was clearly a defective battery, and thankfully it wasn't in a 
UPS-but APC refused to replace it because it was just over a year old. I should 
add, it was just over a year since it was *manufactured*. Not that we had had 
it for that long. But we had no proof of purchase, and APC was unwilling to 
help.

Minuteman advertises three-year warranties on its batteries (at least the ones 
in the higher-end models, it looks like). Our reseller has also suggested 
CyberPower.

Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I'm looking for 
warnings or recommendations.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



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Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:36 AM, John Cook  wrote:
> Well that’s kind of like saying you want to look at other makes of cars
> because your battery died really quickly in your Ford ...

  More like saying you want to look at other makes of cars because the
engine died really quickly in your Ford.  The battery is the heart of
a UPS.  If the quality is poor, that's a problem with the UPS.

> APC doesn’t make batteries, that’s outsourced.

  They doubtless don't make the chassis, transformers, capacitors, or
much else themselves, either.  But they do specify them, and use them
in their their product.  Their suppliers' problems are APC's problems.

  All that said: Once thing I don't know is storage specifications for
SLA AGM batteries.  It may be that leaving it on a shelf disconnected
for a year is very bad for it.  Some battery technologies need to be
kept "topped off" during storage, for example.

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Re: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:24 AM, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I’m looking for
> warnings or recommendations.

  They all suck, in different ways.

  APC: Aside from problems otherwise recently noted on this list, they
seem to have the best spread of extended-run options.  Since they have
the largest market-share, there seems to be more third-party software
support.

  Eaton (formerly PowerWare, formerly MGE, formerly BEST Power): Solid
product.  Often less expensive than APC.  Good selection of online
(double conversion) UPSes.  Their replacement battery P/N's are almost
impossible to discover, and once you do, they're often only available
direct from them.  Their model lineup is confusing and poorly
differentiated.

  Tripp-Lite (UPSes): Website support feels iffy.  Front panels are
minimalist.  Batteries are often hard to change.  Had some quality
problems several years back and I've avoided them since.

  CyberPower: Their cheap consumer UPSes are incredibly craptacular.
ASB says their higher-end models are much better, but I still shy
away.

  MinuteMan: Never used them, but I've had them recommended once or twice.

  OneAC: Has been recommended to me once or twice.  Looks like a very
robust, effective product (double conversion, galvanic isolation,
etc.).  Big.  Heavy.  Expensive.

-- Ben

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RE: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

[John Cook]

Well that's kind of like saying you want to look at other makes of cars because 
your battery died really quickly in your Ford, or you wanted to get away from 
your Sony laptop because the battery crapped. APC doesn't make batteries, 
that's outsourced. I've never had an issue with an APC unit itself and if the 
batteries are replaced on a regularly scheduled basis (read - not when they're 
dead and swelling up in the unit) you should not see any issues.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Semi-OT: UPSes Other Than APC

We've been an APC shop here for a long time, but lately I've been thinking of 
trying something else. I've not been impressed with the battery life of our 
UPSes, and APC only warrants them for a year. We had a battery that sat in a 
closet for a while, and when we opened it to use it we found that it had 
leaked. This was clearly a defective battery, and thankfully it wasn't in a 
UPS-but APC refused to replace it because it was just over a year old. I should 
add, it was just over a year since it was *manufactured*. Not that we had had 
it for that long. But we had no proof of purchase, and APC was unwilling to 
help.

Minuteman advertises three-year warranties on its batteries (at least the ones 
in the higher-end models, it looks like). Our reseller has also suggested 
CyberPower.

Does anyone have any experience with brands other than APC? I'm looking for 
warnings or recommendations.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



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Re: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Terry Dickson
 wrote:
> Yes but in most cases unless you have segregated power both UPS's are on
> the same commercial feed.  If power goes out for one UPS it will go out for
> the other and would it not be better to have the server shut down ...

  There are plenty of scenarios where only one UPS will go out and you
want to keep running on the other.  These include:

* UPS internal failure
* Human error (unplug/turn off wrong thing)
* Premises electrical fault (bad circuit breaker, wire cut, etc.)
* UPS overload due to single source equipment
* Single phase failure in utility supply (leaving other phases working)

  I've had all of the above happen to me.

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RE: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes

[Terry Dickson]

Yes but in most cases unless you have segregated power both UPS's are on the 
same commercial feed.  If power goes out for one UPS it will go out for the 
other and would it not be better to have the server shut down, rather than 
"hope" that the second UPS did not give a false reading and just die before the 
server was down?  Again that is assuming you do not have multiple Commercial 
feeds to power the UPS's.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes

The scenario I'm thinking of is this... Let's say the UPS that's connected to 
the server via USB experiences a problem that causes its battery to quickly 
drain. If that happens, the server is going to shut itself down since that's 
what I've configured the power settings to do.



But the second UPS-the one that's not connected to the server via USB-may be 
working just fine. Since the server is capable of running with just one power 
supply, there's not actually a need for it to shut down. The server wouldn't 
know this, though, because it's only monitoring one UPS-the one that has the 
drained battery.







From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes



Run time should be close to same on both so if it were to tell the computer to 
shut down both UPS's should be at run time limit.  Assuming they are smart 
UPS's put a NIC in the one that isn't plugged into Server to monitor over 
network.





From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes

That's how I've done it up until now. But with this new server, the setup will 
be a bit different. I have two UPSes dedicated just to it and its attached 
storage system.





John



From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes




I don't know your exact setup, but I usually have another box near-by into 
which I connect the cable from the other UPS.
--
richard

John Hornbuckle  wrote on 07/15/2011 07:49:03 
AM:

> I have a new Server 2008 R2 box I'm setting up, and it has dual power
> supplies. I'm plugging each power supply into a separate UPS.
>
> I've done this lots of times in the past, and normally I only connect
> one of the two UPS USB cables to the server because I didn't know what
> would happen if I connected both of them.
>
> Does anyone know? Should I connect them both? Is Windows smart enough
> to recognize that there are two separate UPSes?
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
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RE: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes

[John Hornbuckle]

The scenario I'm thinking of is this... Let's say the UPS that's connected to 
the server via USB experiences a problem that causes its battery to quickly 
drain. If that happens, the server is going to shut itself down since that's 
what I've configured the power settings to do.

But the second UPS-the one that's not connected to the server via USB-may be 
working just fine. Since the server is capable of running with just one power 
supply, there's not actually a need for it to shut down. The server wouldn't 
know this, though, because it's only monitoring one UPS-the one that has the 
drained battery.



From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes

Run time should be close to same on both so if it were to tell the computer to 
shut down both UPS's should be at run time limit.  Assuming they are smart 
UPS's put a NIC in the one that isn't plugged into Server to monitor over 
network.


From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes
That's how I've done it up until now. But with this new server, the setup will 
be a bit different. I have two UPSes dedicated just to it and its attached 
storage system.


John

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes


I don't know your exact setup, but I usually have another box near-by into 
which I connect the cable from the other UPS.
--
richard

John Hornbuckle  wrote on 07/15/2011 07:49:03 
AM:

> I have a new Server 2008 R2 box I'm setting up, and it has dual
> power supplies. I'm plugging each power supply into a separate UPS.
>
> I've done this lots of times in the past, and normally I only
> connect one of the two UPS USB cables to the server because I didn't
> know what would happen if I connected both of them.
>
> Does anyone know? Should I connect them both? Is Windows smart
> enough to recognize that there are two separate UPSes?
>
>
>
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RE: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes

[N Parr]

Run time should be close to same on both so if it were to tell the
computer to shut down both UPS's should be at run time limit.  Assuming
they are smart UPS's put a NIC in the one that isn't plugged into Server
to monitor over network.
 


From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 7:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes



That's how I've done it up until now. But with this new server, the
setup will be a bit different. I have two UPSes dedicated just to it and
its attached storage system.

 

 

John

 

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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes

 


I don't know your exact setup, but I usually have another box near-by
into which I connect the cable from the other UPS. 
-- 
richard 

John Hornbuckle  wrote on 07/15/2011
07:49:03 AM:

> I have a new Server 2008 R2 box I'm setting up, and it has dual 
> power supplies. I'm plugging each power supply into a separate UPS. 
>   
> I've done this lots of times in the past, and normally I only 
> connect one of the two UPS USB cables to the server because I didn't
> know what would happen if I connected both of them. 
>   
> Does anyone know? Should I connect them both? Is Windows smart 
> enough to recognize that there are two separate UPSes? 
>   
>   
>   
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RE: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes

[John Hornbuckle]

That's how I've done it up until now. But with this new server, the setup will 
be a bit different. I have two UPSes dedicated just to it and its attached 
storage system.


John

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes


I don't know your exact setup, but I usually have another box near-by into 
which I connect the cable from the other UPS.
--
richard

John Hornbuckle  wrote on 07/15/2011 07:49:03 
AM:

> I have a new Server 2008 R2 box I'm setting up, and it has dual
> power supplies. I'm plugging each power supply into a separate UPS.
>
> I've done this lots of times in the past, and normally I only
> connect one of the two UPS USB cables to the server because I didn't
> know what would happen if I connected both of them.
>
> Does anyone know? Should I connect them both? Is Windows smart
> enough to recognize that there are two separate UPSes?
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
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Re: Server 2008 R2 on Multiple UPSes

[RichardMcClary]

I don't know your exact setup, but I usually have another box near-by into 
which I connect the cable from the other UPS.
--
richard

John Hornbuckle  wrote on 07/15/2011 
07:49:03 AM:

> I have a new Server 2008 R2 box I?m setting up, and it has dual 
> power supplies. I?m plugging each power supply into a separate UPS.
> 
> I?ve done this lots of times in the past, and normally I only 
> connect one of the two UPS USB cables to the server because I didn?t
> know what would happen if I connected both of them.
> 
> Does anyone know? Should I connect them both? Is Windows smart 
> enough to recognize that there are two separate UPSes?
> 
> 
> 
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
> 
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Re: UPSes

[Devin Meade]

"The Symettra sends a shutdown signal" should really say "The Symettra sends
status to the windows servers and they are set to react to this status".

Hmm must read my own posts before sending...
Devin

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Devin Meade  wrote:

> I would agree on the cable issue.  I have a box with "APC Cables don't
> touch upon pain of death" written on it.  That said our Symettra LX is a
> tank.  Ours has a management card and it works with "APC Network Shutdown
> software" which is free on our windows servers.  The Symettra sends a
> shutdown signal to the servers from the management card.  We have had
> stellar support and apc has replaced bad batteries with no hassle.
>
> Devin
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Angus Scott-Fleming  > wrote:
>
>>  [correcting the gag-me-with-a-shovel apostrophized subject]
>>
>>  On 16 Apr 2010 at 10:37, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>
>>  > APC used to be wy ahead of the pack, but I don't find that to be
>> ture
>> > anymore.  Their quality has gone down a little, and the quality of the
>> other
>> > players in this space have gone up quite a bit.
>> >
>> > I'm fine with Tripplite, APC and CyberPower UPS products in the 500VA to
>> > 3000VA range.
>>
>>  The consensus in the current threads on UPS is "APC is the Cadillac" but
>> that you pay Cadillac prices for them.
>>
>>  One thing that really torques me about APC is their insistence on using
>> custom, non-standard interfaces like the $30+-to-replace RJ-50-to-USB cables
>> they currently use, and the $35+-to-replace non-standard "RS-232" cables
>> they used to use -- why not use a standard USB A-to-B cable like TrippLite?
>> G!
>>
>>  Most modern PCs no longer have RS-232 ports, so refurb units with RS-232
>> cables are off the table for my clients.  Once you add the cost of
>> purchasing and configuring a USB-to-RS-232 adapter, you've lost a good chunk
>> of the  cost savings and there's no guarantee the UPS software will work
>> with it.
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>> Angus Scott-Fleming
>> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
>> 1-520-895-3270
>> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: UPSes

[Devin Meade]

I would agree on the cable issue.  I have a box with "APC Cables don't touch
upon pain of death" written on it.  That said our Symettra LX is a tank.
Ours has a management card and it works with "APC Network Shutdown software"
which is free on our windows servers.  The Symettra sends a shutdown signal
to the servers from the management card.  We have had stellar support and
apc has replaced bad batteries with no hassle.

Devin

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Angus Scott-Fleming
wrote:

>  [correcting the gag-me-with-a-shovel apostrophized subject]
>
>  On 16 Apr 2010 at 10:37, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>
>  > APC used to be wy ahead of the pack, but I don't find that to be
> ture
> > anymore.  Their quality has gone down a little, and the quality of the
> other
> > players in this space have gone up quite a bit.
> >
> > I'm fine with Tripplite, APC and CyberPower UPS products in the 500VA to
> > 3000VA range.
>
>  The consensus in the current threads on UPS is "APC is the Cadillac" but
> that you pay Cadillac prices for them.
>
>  One thing that really torques me about APC is their insistence on using
> custom, non-standard interfaces like the $30+-to-replace RJ-50-to-USB cables
> they currently use, and the $35+-to-replace non-standard "RS-232" cables
> they used to use -- why not use a standard USB A-to-B cable like TrippLite?
> G!
>
>  Most modern PCs no longer have RS-232 ports, so refurb units with RS-232
> cables are off the table for my clients.  Once you add the cost of
> purchasing and configuring a USB-to-RS-232 adapter, you've lost a good chunk
> of the  cost savings and there's no guarantee the UPS software will work
> with it.
>
>
>
>  --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-895-3270
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: UPSes

[Andrew S. Baker]

I feel that there is more parity in quality these days across brands.  That
makes it easier to choose equipment with the right connectors.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid

On Apr 21, 2010 11:20 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming"  wrote:

 [correcting the gag-me-with-a-shovel apostrophized subject]

 On 16 Apr 2010 at 10:37, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

 > APC used to be wy ahead of the pack, but I don't find that to be ture
> anymore.  Their quality has gone down a little, and the quality of the
other
> players in this space have gone up quite a bit.
>
> I'm fine with Tripplite, APC and CyberPower UPS products in the 500VA to
> 3000VA range.

 The consensus in the current threads on UPS is "APC is the Cadillac" but
that you pay Cadillac prices for them.

 One thing that really torques me about APC is their insistence on using
custom, non-standard interfaces like the $30+-to-replace RJ-50-to-USB cables
they currently use, and the $35+-to-replace non-standard "RS-232" cables
they used to use -- why not use a standard USB A-to-B cable like TrippLite?
G!

 Most modern PCs no longer have RS-232 ports, so refurb units with RS-232
cables are off the table for my clients.  Once you add the cost of
purchasing and configuring a USB-to-RS-232 adapter, you've lost a good chunk
of the  cost savings and there's no guarantee the UPS software will work
with it.





--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com...

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RE: UPSes

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

We purchased a handful of mid-sized TrippLite UPSes (somewhere between 1000 and 
3000 VA) for phone systems back in 2002/2003. The management interface was 
horrible, and the Management cards themselves were more than a little 
unreliable. If they were out of warranty, TrippLite offered ZERO support, not 
even a pay per incident. In order to get support I would have had to buy new 
management cards...

Needless to say we are a 100% APC shop now, and are satisfied. FWIW, we also 
bought infrastruXure manager to centrally manage all of our closet systems 
along with our Data Center.

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes

Re-asking the main question:

On 20 Apr 2010 at 19:08, Angus Scott-Fleming  wrote:

> Does anyone here have experience with their network software? APC wants $280
> for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console. TrippLite has a free
> network console for up to 250 stations.



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/








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Re: UPSes

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

[correcting the gag-me-with-a-shovel apostrophized subject]

On 16 Apr 2010 at 10:37, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> APC used to be wy ahead of the pack, but I don't find that to be ture
> anymore.  Their quality has gone down a little, and the quality of the other
> players in this space have gone up quite a bit. 
> 
> I'm fine with Tripplite, APC and CyberPower UPS products in the 500VA to
> 3000VA range. 

The consensus in the current threads on UPS is "APC is the Cadillac" but that 
you pay Cadillac prices for them.  

One thing that really torques me about APC is their insistence on using custom, 
non-standard interfaces like the $30+-to-replace RJ-50-to-USB cables they 
currently use, and the $35+-to-replace non-standard "RS-232" cables they used 
to use -- why not use a standard USB A-to-B cable like TrippLite?  G!

Most modern PCs no longer have RS-232 ports, so refurb units with RS-232 cables 
are off the table for my clients.  Once you add the cost of purchasing and 
configuring a USB-to-RS-232 adapter, you've lost a good chunk of the  cost 
savings and there's no guarantee the UPS software will work with it.



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/



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Re: UPSes

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

Re-asking the main question:

On 20 Apr 2010 at 19:08, Angus Scott-Fleming  wrote:

> Does anyone here have experience with their network software? APC wants $280
> for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console. TrippLite has a free
> network console for up to 250 stations. 



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/



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RE: UPSes

[Phillip Partipilo]

Eaton/Powerware/Best is another top notch brand. Probably more geared towards 
larger applications (?).  Worked with a rather large FerrUPS way back when.  It 
was pretty neat.  It had a wyse/vt100 terminal attached to it, and it could 
spit out, in a textmode graphic of sorts, a visual representation of the 
incoming AC waveform, amongst other cool things.  No PC or software needed, 
just a dumb terminal.  It was truly huge for its capacity, but I think that was 
already 10+ years old when I was started there, and it was still running strong 
5 years later when I left.


Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107


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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes

  I've also used Eaton (AKA PowerWare, AKA Best Power) UPSes before
with good results.  They also offer double conversion models.

-- Ben

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Re: UPSes

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:
> My overall experience with Tripp-Lite is a product that is designed to be
> basically disposable.  A product designed to last the life of the battery,
> at most.  Poor thermal management, overheating components, and overall low
> quality components.  Whereas APC units (especially SmartUPS models) are
> built like tanks.

  APC makes some cheap disposable stuff, too.  Several of the Back-UPS
model lines fall into that category.  The Back-UPS 500 LS seems to
have a penchant for overheating and killing itself, I've discovered.
But yah, heir Smart-UPS stuff is generally top-notch.

  I've had a few instances of trouble over the years with swollen
batteries in the Smart-UPS units, and I've heard reports of same on
this list.  I don't know if that was time of trouble, or if it's been
since fixed, or what.

  The APC "Line-R" voltage regulators seem to self-destruct after a
few years, always with the same failure mode (won't power up under
load).

  I know Tripp-Lite basics some outstanding TVSS units ("IsoBar").  I
agree that their cheap UPSes are poor quality.  One hopes their
high-end stuff is better, but I don't know.  They offer double
conversion models, which APC doesn't.  But if it's poor quality,
that's still no good.

  I've also used Eaton (AKA PowerWare, AKA Best Power) UPSes before
with good results.  They also offer double conversion models.

-- Ben

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Re: UPSes

[Roger Wright]

FWIW - I had opportunity to make a claim against APC's equipment
protection warranty a few years ago.  After supplying details they
honored the warranty and paid off the claim without a hassle.

I think APC's reputation is well-deserved.


Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2010 at 8:25, Reimer, Mark  wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks, I’ve done some (or tried to) research on the differences
>> between APC Backups vs Smart-UPS, or Tripp Lite SmartPro vs OmniSmart. One
>> set (Backups and OmniSmart) seem to be almost ½ price of the other set
>> (Smart-UPS and SmartPro) for the same rated VA/wattage. The only real
>> difference I can find is manageability. These will be for POE switches in
>> wiring closets. Any help/experience will be most appreciated. Thanks.
> FWIW I have both TrippLites and APCs at one client who has bought them here
> and there.  They have not installed the cables or software, and the cables
> have disappeared.  The new TrippLites use standard USB A-to-B cables, while
> the APCs use proprietary $30 RJ5-to-USB-A cables.  A bunch of their APCs are
> older, with RS-232 interfaces (proprietary APC $32 cable).  I'm about to
> replace most of the units without cables, and the TrippLites are about
> 20-25% less for the same specs.
> Does anyone here have experience with their network software?  APC wants
> $280 for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console.  TrippLite has a
> free network console for up to 250 stations.
>
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-895-3270
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: UPSes

[Ziots, Edward]

I might be a little baised, since I worked for APC as my first job and been a 
loyal supporter of their UPS's for years, but you just can't beat the quality 
of the systems, especially the Powerstructure systems, but I have either used 
or troubleshooted or supported everything from the Backup to Smart Ups to 
Matrix, Symmetrix and Powerstructure UPS over the last 10+ years, and again you 
can't beat the quality. 

 

Z

 

Edward Ziots

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Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

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From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes

 

My overall experience with Tripp-Lite is a product that is designed to be 
basically disposable.  A product designed to last the life of the battery, at 
most.  Poor thermal management, overheating components, and overall low quality 
components.  Whereas APC units (especially SmartUPS models) are built like 
tanks.  Granted I haven't worked with a Tripp-Lite in a bit over 5 years, thats 
just been the general taste of their products.  If you're concerned about 
money, purchase from refurbups.com.  The stuff I've got from them has been 
basically good as new, aside from some being old stock, usually rs232 instead 
of usb, for example, but can't beat the prices.  A single unit purchase from 
them of a sizable unit (say a 1000 or 750xl) will offset the cost of that 
software.

 

Sometimes they sell refurbed models that are well over EOL, but still good, 
like this one enormous 2200RMXL5U that I got a few years ago. Must weigh at 
least 150 pounds. Big momma of a UPS. They just dont make single (rackmount) 
units anymore like that, with massive runtime without additional battery packs.

 

Good prices on battery packs there, though ive searched around and found 
ragebattery.com to have the best prices on their Rhino branded SLA batteries, 
which you can buy as cases of batteries and disassemble your old RBC packs and 
rebuild a new pack in a matter of minutes.  Then dump the old batteries off at 
a local auto parts store.  They get paid a bounty so they're usually happy to 
take them off your hands for free.

 

 



From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes

 

On 16 Apr 2010 at 8:25, Reimer, Mark  wrote:

 

> 

> Hi folks, I've done some (or tried to) research on the differences

> between APC Backups vs Smart-UPS, or Tripp Lite SmartPro vs OmniSmart. One

> set (Backups and OmniSmart) seem to be almost ½ price of the other set

> (Smart-UPS and SmartPro) for the same rated VA/wattage. The only real

> difference I can find is manageability. These will be for POE switches in

> wiring closets. Any help/experience will be most appreciated. Thanks. 

 

FWIW I have both TrippLites and APCs at one client who has bought them here and 
there.  They have not installed the cables or software, and the cables have 
disappeared.  The new TrippLites use standard USB A-to-B cables, while the APCs 
use proprietary $30 RJ5-to-USB-A cables.  A bunch of their APCs are older, with 
RS-232 interfaces (proprietary APC $32 cable).  I'm about to replace most of 
the units without cables, and the TrippLites are about 20-25% less for the same 
specs.

 

Does anyone here have experience with their network software?  APC wants $280 
for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console.  TrippLite has a free 
network console for up to 250 stations.

 

 

 

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GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona

1-520-895-3270

Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/

 

  

 

 

 

 

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RE: UPSes

[Phillip Partipilo]

My overall experience with Tripp-Lite is a product that is designed to be 
basically disposable.  A product designed to last the life of the battery, at 
most.  Poor thermal management, overheating components, and overall low quality 
components.  Whereas APC units (especially SmartUPS models) are built like 
tanks.  Granted I haven't worked with a Tripp-Lite in a bit over 5 years, thats 
just been the general taste of their products.  If you're concerned about 
money, purchase from refurbups.com.  The stuff I've got from them has been 
basically good as new, aside from some being old stock, usually rs232 instead 
of usb, for example, but can't beat the prices.  A single unit purchase from 
them of a sizable unit (say a 1000 or 750xl) will offset the cost of that 
software.

Sometimes they sell refurbed models that are well over EOL, but still good, 
like this one enormous 2200RMXL5U that I got a few years ago. Must weigh at 
least 150 pounds. Big momma of a UPS. They just dont make single (rackmount) 
units anymore like that, with massive runtime without additional battery packs.

Good prices on battery packs there, though ive searched around and found 
ragebattery.com to have the best prices on their Rhino branded SLA batteries, 
which you can buy as cases of batteries and disassemble your old RBC packs and 
rebuild a new pack in a matter of minutes.  Then dump the old batteries off at 
a local auto parts store.  They get paid a bounty so they're usually happy to 
take them off your hands for free.



From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes

On 16 Apr 2010 at 8:25, Reimer, Mark  wrote:

>
> Hi folks, I've done some (or tried to) research on the differences
> between APC Backups vs Smart-UPS, or Tripp Lite SmartPro vs OmniSmart. One
> set (Backups and OmniSmart) seem to be almost ½ price of the other set
> (Smart-UPS and SmartPro) for the same rated VA/wattage. The only real
> difference I can find is manageability. These will be for POE switches in
> wiring closets. Any help/experience will be most appreciated. Thanks.

FWIW I have both TrippLites and APCs at one client who has bought them here and 
there.  They have not installed the cables or software, and the cables have 
disappeared.  The new TrippLites use standard USB A-to-B cables, while the APCs 
use proprietary $30 RJ5-to-USB-A cables.  A bunch of their APCs are older, with 
RS-232 interfaces (proprietary APC $32 cable).  I'm about to replace most of 
the units without cables, and the TrippLites are about 20-25% less for the same 
specs.

Does anyone here have experience with their network software?  APC wants $280 
for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console.  TrippLite has a free 
network console for up to 250 stations.



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/







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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: UPSes

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 16 Apr 2010 at 8:25, Reimer, Mark  wrote:

> 
> Hi folks, I´ve done some (or tried to) research on the differences
> between APC Backups vs Smart-UPS, or Tripp Lite SmartPro vs OmniSmart. One
> set (Backups and OmniSmart) seem to be almost ½ price of the other set
> (Smart-UPS and SmartPro) for the same rated VA/wattage. The only real
> difference I can find is manageability. These will be for POE switches in
> wiring closets. Any help/experience will be most appreciated. Thanks. 

FWIW I have both TrippLites and APCs at one client who has bought them here and 
there.  They have not installed the cables or software, and the cables have 
disappeared.  The new TrippLites use standard USB A-to-B cables, while the APCs 
use proprietary $30 RJ5-to-USB-A cables.  A bunch of their APCs are older, with 
RS-232 interfaces (proprietary APC $32 cable).  I'm about to replace most of 
the units without cables, and the TrippLites are about 20-25% less for the same 
specs.

Does anyone here have experience with their network software?  APC wants $280 
for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console.  TrippLite has a free 
network console for up to 250 stations.



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/



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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Ken Schaefer]

Because when the power fails, the most important thing is that people can still 
print! LOL

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 11:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes that restart servers.

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The UPS the 2900 was plugged into was a Smart 1000,
> but because there were other things plugged into it as well, the battery
> life is a whopping 9 minutes.

  I once had a SOHO client who tried plugging their giant
high-capacity laser printer into the APC Smart-UPS running their
network server.  They were all upset when it dropped the load on loss
of utility power.  Needless to say, I don't consider that a failing of
the UPS.  :-)


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Re: UPSes that restart servers.

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The UPS the 2900 was plugged into was a Smart 1000,
> but because there were other things plugged into it as well, the battery
> life is a whopping 9 minutes.

  I once had a SOHO client who tried plugging their giant
high-capacity laser printer into the APC Smart-UPS running their
network server.  They were all upset when it dropped the load on loss
of utility power.  Needless to say, I don't consider that a failing of
the UPS.  :-)

-- Ben

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Jim Majorowicz]

I'll admit that this is what I thought would happen with this server, but it
was not the case.  It may have been because of a miscalculation on the
previous Tech's part.  The UPS the 2900 was plugged into was a Smart 1000,
but because there were other things plugged into it as well, the battery
life is a whopping 9 minutes.  The default setting of waiting until 10%
battery life didn't give the server enough time to shut down.  Not that any
of this was tested, but that's between me and the tech that made the
original recommendation.  I've decided to replace all the UPSes in that
server closet and am no figuring out the best way to manage the process.

 

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes that restart servers.

 

I have 15 Dell servers in 3 different locations.  they are all plugged into
APC brand units and they all come back up automatically after power comes
back on.  I intalled the APC units, and other than installing PowerChute did
not make any changes to bios or windows settings on any of those machines.

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: UPSes that restart servers.

[Jeff Brown]

I have 15 Dell servers in 3 different locations.  they are all plugged into
APC brand units and they all come back up automatically after power comes
back on.  I intalled the APC units, and other than installing PowerChute did
not make any changes to bios or windows settings on any of those machines.

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
> PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
> during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
> the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
> their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
> reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
> a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
> Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
> is reapplied?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: UPSes that restart servers.

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Ames Matthew B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... UPS drops to say 20% remaining, it control shuts down your server ...
>  ... What will make the UPS start to supply power again?

  The APC Smart-UPS lines has an EEPROM setting that controls how long
the UPS waits.  You've got options for something like 10%, 50%, or 90%
minimum battery charge before output power is turned back on.  I
expect similar UPSes from other vendors have similar options.

> How do you turn the server back on, because it was shutdown cleanly the
> "restore last power state" in the BIOS won't work, although maybe "always
> on" might come up trumps.

  Exactly.  That's what that BIOS option is for.

>   - How do you get multiple servers back up if running from one UPS?

  Same way you do just one server; set the BIOS to "Power On on AC Restored".

  Service ordering can be a problem if you've got services which don't
cope well with having needed server up and that host boots faster than
the one it depends on.  I'd say the best way to address that kind of
issue is to have the service not blindly auto start, but instead find
some way to test availability of what it needs, and start the service
manually once the prerequisite comes up.

-- Ben

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Ames Matthew B]

Although, if you have a server running from a UPS (without the mains
feed, so your on batteries), and the UPS drops to say 20% remaining, it
control shuts down your server.
 
So the questions are:
 - What will make the UPS start to supply power again?
- Does it wait till it is fully recharged
- Does it just wait till it has a mains supply again (what happens
if the power supply goes again before the machine has got back into
windows and can't be control shut-down?)
 
  -  How do you turn the server back on, because it was shutdown cleanly
the "restore last power state" in the BIOS won't work, although maybe
"always on" might come up trumps.
 
  - How do you get multiple servers back up if running from one UPS?
You need need to drive a switch from the UPS too, and then have a master
machine which did WoL maybe to the other servers?
 
Cheers,
Matt



From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 March 2008 15:50
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.



Thanks Ben.  I guess I'm going to need to schedule some down time on
these servers and refresh my memory about what can be done with the
bios.

 

From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.

 

Im not sure how to 'turn it on' other than set it in the bios to reboot
upon power loss or last state. APC has an option to cut power with their
web mgmt card that I saw long ago allowing the remote user to 'cycle'
power using the webcard on the apc. 

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.

 

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down
servers during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution
that will turn the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers
have settings in their bios that can be set to start the server in the
event that power is reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP
Proliants (An old ML310 and a ML330) that I don't think have this
feature.  Is there something in the Full version of PowerChute that
would turn a server back on when the power is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 






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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Damien Solodow]

With the HP servers it's the iLo, and they've had them standard on
servers for at least 3 years now. 

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.

 

I don't think so.  If they do, I'm not sure I've ever used it.

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.

 

Do your HP servers have any sort of remote access cards in them similar
to DRAC cards in Dells?

 

It's a little web server embedded in a management chip that stays
powered on in the server as long the power supplies have power.  It
allows you to remote boot, reboot, kvm, etc...

 



From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down
servers during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution
that will turn the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers
have settings in their bios that can be set to start the server in the
event that power is reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP
Proliants (An old ML310 and a ML330) that I don't think have this
feature.  Is there something in the Full version of PowerChute that
would turn a server back on when the power is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

 

 

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Jim Majorowicz]

Thanks Ben.  I guess I'm going to need to schedule some down time on these
servers and refresh my memory about what can be done with the bios.

 

From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.

 

Im not sure how to 'turn it on' other than set it in the bios to reboot upon
power loss or last state. APC has an option to cut power with their web mgmt
card that I saw long ago allowing the remote user to 'cycle' power using the
webcard on the apc. 

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.

 

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Jim Majorowicz]

I don't think so.  If they do, I'm not sure I've ever used it.

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.

 

Do your HP servers have any sort of remote access cards in them similar to
DRAC cards in Dells?

 

It's a little web server embedded in a management chip that stays powered on
in the server as long the power supplies have power.  It allows you to
remote boot, reboot, kvm, etc...

 

  _  

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Benjamin Zachary]

Im not sure how to 'turn it on' other than set it in the bios to reboot upon
power loss or last state. APC has an option to cut power with their web mgmt
card that I saw long ago allowing the remote user to 'cycle' power using the
webcard on the apc. 

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.

 

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Sam Cayze]

Do your HP servers have any sort of remote access cards in them similar
to DRAC cards in Dells?
 
It's a little web server embedded in a management chip that stays
powered on in the server as long the power supplies have power.  It
allows you to remote boot, reboot, kvm, etc...



From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.



This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down
servers during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution
that will turn the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers
have settings in their bios that can be set to start the server in the
event that power is reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP
Proliants (An old ML310 and a ML330) that I don't think have this
feature.  Is there something in the Full version of PowerChute that
would turn a server back on when the power is reapplied?

 

 

 

 






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UPSes that restart servers.

[Jim Majorowicz]

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
is reapplied?

 

 

 

 


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