Re: recommendations on home server
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: I’ve had an atom-based machine. And when compared to another box that had practically the same disk specs, I could definitely feel the difference just for simple workstation tasks. It still might not be the CPU. Maybe the practically the same disks weren't as close as you thought, or maybe there's some other bottleneck. I've got an Atom-based Asus Eee PC netbook. It came with an SSD-on-mini-PCI-Express-card that was slower than molasses on writes. Turns out the disk controller on the stock device was pathologically bad for concurrent writes. Upgrading the card -- and thus replacing the disk controller -- was like getting a new laptop. I didn't benchmark it, but browsing the web is ridiculously faster. What before might take 30-60 seconds now takes 2-3. That laptop went from being an amusing toy to being a very useful portable computer. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
Well the Neo's _ARE_ beefier than an Atom from a horsepower perspective, as well as supporting VT extensions... I certainly agree on the SSD's however. I can tell a pretty dramatic difference with unit I have. -sc From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 12:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Yeah, it's an AMD dual-core Neo, but since no one seems to know what that is, I've given up trying to explain it :-) Atom seems to have more recognition. FWIW, my team has another one of these sitting in the office (again because it's quiet/cool). It's running SharePoint 2010 with about 6-7GB of documents, which we access using SharePoint Workspace and Outlook. For BAU, I don't think the CPU gets much above 5% I did a quick check on my server at home, and Perfmon.exe was using more CPU than anything else :-) I ran a few admin tools, copied some files, checked the spam filters etc. Exchange is receiving around 50,000 messages/day (99% spam :-)), yet the VM is using about 3% of the host's CPU. Given that we used to run these things on 500Mhz or lower specced servers, I think CPUs running at 1.3Ghz (or more) these days, should provide sufficient grunt for server Ops. IMHO disk is the biggest bottleneck. Put a couple of SSDs into your server and see what happens. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised :-) Cheers Ken From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Cool.. glad it's working for you. I've had an atom-based machine. And when compared to another box that had practically the same disk specs, I could definitely feel the difference just for simple workstation tasks. Perhaps it could be mitigated some with fast disk, additional RAM, etc... but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable recommending atom based devices as VM platforms. Both my VM hosts are ProLiant dual CPU P4 HT-enabled Xeon's running at 2.8Ghz. Not the latest, but no slouches either. I'd have to say that if I'm bouncing back and forth between a DC, my IIS box, and say Exchange, I can see some CPU hit. I just swapped one of these boxes in to replace an older Dual-CPU P-III box with the exact same amount of RAM, and identical disk. The only real difference is CPU horsepower, and I can tell a difference. But as YMMV has held true for you, it's another option for folks to consider. Especially if heat/noise are larger factors than raw performance. -sc PS- As other folks have pointed out, Atom's aren't actually supported... are you running them anyway, or when you say effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU does that actually mean something else? From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Doing admin work takes up very little CPU... How much CPU is required to create a new user or issue a new cert or print a document? Loading Exchange Management Console, or doing a WSUS server cleanup seems to be limited by disk I/O. Using SSDs speeds this up significantly. Even installing Exchange 2010 was less than 2 minutes. On my second Proliant I have SCVMM and SCOM - even those just run along without consuming much CPU. Disk I/O is usually the bottleneck. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
Sure... there can be all sorts of bottlenecks in systems. Including CPU. :) Fortunately perf mon tools are available at both the OS and hypervisor levels in order to tune. The OP has some good options to consider, depending on his need. -sc -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: I've had an atom-based machine. And when compared to another box that had practically the same disk specs, I could definitely feel the difference just for simple workstation tasks. It still might not be the CPU. Maybe the practically the same disks weren't as close as you thought, or maybe there's some other bottleneck. I've got an Atom-based Asus Eee PC netbook. It came with an SSD-on-mini-PCI-Express-card that was slower than molasses on writes. Turns out the disk controller on the stock device was pathologically bad for concurrent writes. Upgrading the card -- and thus replacing the disk controller -- was like getting a new laptop. I didn't benchmark it, but browsing the web is ridiculously faster. What before might take 30-60 seconds now takes 2-3. That laptop went from being an amusing toy to being a very useful portable computer. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
I just installed XenServer 6.0.2 on my 2 beefy lab servers because ESXi refused to install on them [1]. One is SATA HDs only and the other has 2 SSDs and one SATA HD. Installing on the SSD took less than 2 minutes. Installing on the SATA HD took almost 10 minutes. That one server is the only lab server I have that does not have an SSD. Me thinks my employer should be ashamed by having a server without an SSD. :) Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ 1. The ESXi 5 installer kept giving an error that the drives were not empty even though gparted was used to delete all existing partitions and showed nothing existed on any of the 4 drives in the server. That server originally housed Hyper-V v2. When I installed XenServer, it detected an existing LVM partition and offered to delete it. Just curious why gparted left something hanging around? From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Well the Neo's _ARE_ beefier than an Atom from a horsepower perspective, as well as supporting VT extensions... I certainly agree on the SSD's however. I can tell a pretty dramatic difference with unit I have. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
I bought my first SSD in 2009 - other than bulk storage, I won't be buying regular mechanical drives. All my laptops and desktops have SSDs, plus I put a couple into each Microserver, and a couple into my QNAP SS429 NAS. For my work laptop, I've divided my VMs between the onboard SSD, and an external 512GB Crucial M4. The performance gain is just amazing From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 10:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Well the Neo's _ARE_ beefier than an Atom from a horsepower perspective, as well as supporting VT extensions... I certainly agree on the SSD's however. I can tell a pretty dramatic difference with unit I have. -sc From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 12:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Yeah, it's an AMD dual-core Neo, but since no one seems to know what that is, I've given up trying to explain it :) Atom seems to have more recognition. FWIW, my team has another one of these sitting in the office (again because it's quiet/cool). It's running SharePoint 2010 with about 6-7GB of documents, which we access using SharePoint Workspace and Outlook. For BAU, I don't think the CPU gets much above 5% I did a quick check on my server at home, and Perfmon.exe was using more CPU than anything else :) I ran a few admin tools, copied some files, checked the spam filters etc. Exchange is receiving around 50,000 messages/day (99% spam :)), yet the VM is using about 3% of the host's CPU. Given that we used to run these things on 500Mhz or lower specced servers, I think CPUs running at 1.3Ghz (or more) these days, should provide sufficient grunt for server Ops. IMHO disk is the biggest bottleneck. Put a couple of SSDs into your server and see what happens. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised :) Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
(I've been running a server at home since 2001) I'll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. I do agree that generally you don't' need huge amounts of CPU over the long-haul average (I mean who really cares if your home mail server for 3 people takes 5 seconds to deliver an email instead of 2?), but when you do decide to do some admin work on a box, etc... I'm not sure a dual-proc Atom is going to be fun You must be a patient man. :-) One of the things that I have found with home usage is that even though CPU needs may be relatively low, I/O and storage needs may still need to be relatively significant. Pushing media files around the house, or moving .vmdk/.vhd files around on lower-end NICs or storage controllers sucks. -sc From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Respectfully disagree. I used to have servers like this, but they are loud and generate a lot of heat. Living in Singapore with 30+ C temperatures (90F) means cooling is an issue. VM for home environments generally don't use a lot of CPU in my experience (I've been running a server at home since 2001). I've got a HP Proliant Microserver which effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU running 2 x DCs, Exchange 2010, Windows Home Server, Forefront TMG 2010, PKI/Print and WSUS all on a single box. And the CPU is rarely above 10%. I used to have a dual quad-core Xeon dell server, and the CPU on that was rarely above 1% - it just generated a lot of heat and noise for no reason. Cheers Ken From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 1:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women - I'll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Those things are loud. I have discovered my wife gets irrate with one of those things on in the house. As I live in a part of California where temperatures get to 115 degrees F the garage isn't an option. Also some of those 'real' servers end up requiring a 20 or 30 amp circuit as well. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1 -86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b 9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Edp No=1963472CatId=7248 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Ed pNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Edp No=1874822CatId=4534 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Ed pNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Edp No=7331904CatId=4357 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Ed pNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Edp No=1239958CatId=7341 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Ed pNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item
Re: recommendations on home server
I'll raise your 1994 to 1985 and my blazing fast IBM PC-AT at 6MHz with 1MB RAM and TWO 20MB hard drives! :) My fellow programmers called me nuts to have so much RAM and storage space. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I’ve been running a server at home since 2001) I’ll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
Nice... what were you using to run it as a server? -sc From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server I'll raise your 1994 to 1985 and my blazing fast IBM PC-AT at 6MHz with 1MB RAM and TWO 20MB hard drives! :) My fellow programmers called me nuts to have so much RAM and storage space. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I've been running a server at home since 2001) I'll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: recommendations on home server
IBM PC Network stuff[1]. Later I ran just about every PC based networking product that ever came out. I stopped running servers when Desqview came out. Desqview allowed me to test my networking code without having to have a network. When IBM OS/2 came out, I switched to it for all my dev work. WIth 8MB of RAM and a 17 monitor, I could do some amazing dev work. In 1994, I was doing so much dev work I ran multiple physical servers: NetWare, NT 3.1/3.5/3.51, OS/2 and several others. System Commander allowed me to run multiple client OSs on my main dev box (dual Pentium Pro with 128MB RAM). Good times back then writing Assembler, C, COBOL, multiple variants of BASIC, every variant of dBASE and really got into Crystal Reports dev work. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ 1. I come from an IBM Mainframe background so IBM ruled my world then. From: scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Nice… what were you using to run it as a server? -sc From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server I'll raise your 1994 to 1985 and my blazing fast IBM PC-AT at 6MHz with 1MB RAM and TWO 20MB hard drives! :) My fellow programmers called me nuts to have so much RAM and storage space. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I’ve been running a server at home since 2001) I’ll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
Good stuff. I never really played much with the OS/2 Suite... altho I wish I had had opportunity. Amazing what was accomplished with such modest hardware compared to today's standards... -sc From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server IBM PC Network stuff[1]. Later I ran just about every PC based networking product that ever came out. I stopped running servers when Desqview came out. Desqview allowed me to test my networking code without having to have a network. When IBM OS/2 came out, I switched to it for all my dev work. WIth 8MB of RAM and a 17 monitor, I could do some amazing dev work. In 1994, I was doing so much dev work I ran multiple physical servers: NetWare, NT 3.1/3.5/3.51, OS/2 and several others. System Commander allowed me to run multiple client OSs on my main dev box (dual Pentium Pro with 128MB RAM). Good times back then writing Assembler, C, COBOL, multiple variants of BASIC, every variant of dBASE and really got into Crystal Reports dev work. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ 1. I come from an IBM Mainframe background so IBM ruled my world then. From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Nice... what were you using to run it as a server? -sc From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server I'll raise your 1994 to 1985 and my blazing fast IBM PC-AT at 6MHz with 1MB RAM and TWO 20MB hard drives! :) My fellow programmers called me nuts to have so much RAM and storage space. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I've been running a server at home since 2001) I'll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: recommendations on home server
I'll see your 1994 and raise you a 1992 (netware 2.x on a Compaq Deskpro) +1 on your I/O observations !!! On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: (I’ve been running a server at home since 2001) ** ** I’ll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ** ** I do agree that generally you don’t’ need huge amounts of CPU over the long-haul average (I mean who really cares if your home mail server for 3 people takes 5 seconds to deliver an email instead of 2?), but when you do decide to do some admin work on a box, etc… I’m not sure a dual-proc Atom is going to be fun…. You must be a patient man. J ** ** One of the things that I have found with home usage is that even though CPU needs may be relatively low, I/O and storage needs may still need to be relatively significant. Pushing media files around the house, or moving .vmdk/.vhd files around on lower-end NICs or storage controllers sucks.*** * ** ** -sc ** ** *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:57 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server ** ** Respectfully disagree. ** ** I used to have servers like this, but they are loud and generate a lot of heat. Living in Singapore with 30+ C temperatures (90F) means cooling is an issue. ** ** VM for home environments generally don’t use a lot of CPU in my experience (I’ve been running a server at home since 2001). I’ve got a HP Proliant Microserver which effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU running 2 x DCs, Exchange 2010, Windows Home Server, Forefront TMG 2010, PKI/Print and WSUS all on a single box. And the CPU is rarely above 10%. I used to have a dual quad-core Xeon dell server, and the CPU on that was rarely above 1% - it just generated a lot of heat and noise for no reason. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 April 2012 1:09 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server ** ** I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women – I’ll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! ** ** *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:52 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: recommendations on home server ** ** Those things are loud. I have discovered my wife gets irrate with one of those things on in the house. As I live in a part of California where temperatures get to 115 degrees F the garage isn't an option. Also some of those 'real' servers end up requiring a 20 or 30 amp circuit as well. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU’s and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it’s on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft’s and Citrix’s as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl *From:* Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http
Re: recommendations on home server
Wow 128mb was hardcore in 1994! /tiphat! From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: recommendations on home server IBM PC Network stuff[1]. Later I ran just about every PC based networking product that ever came out. I stopped running servers when Desqview came out. Desqview allowed me to test my networking code without having to have a network. When IBM OS/2 came out, I switched to it for all my dev work. WIth 8MB of RAM and a 17 monitor, I could do some amazing dev work. In 1994, I was doing so much dev work I ran multiple physical servers: NetWare, NT 3.1/3.5/3.51, OS/2 and several others. System Commander allowed me to run multiple client OSs on my main dev box (dual Pentium Pro with 128MB RAM). Good times back then writing Assembler, C, COBOL, multiple variants of BASIC, every variant of dBASE and really got into Crystal Reports dev work. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com 1. I come from an IBM Mainframe background so IBM ruled my world then. From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Nice… what were you using to run it as a server? -sc From:Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server I'll raise your 1994 to 1985 and my blazing fast IBM PC-AT at 6MHz with 1MB RAM and TWO 20MB hard drives! :) My fellow programmers called me nuts to have so much RAM and storage space. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I’ve been running a server at home since 2001) I’ll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Indeed it was. In that time frame I had a dual Pentium 90Mhz box w/ 128MB of RAM and a pair of external 340MB SCSI HDD’s striped together In addition to a pair of internal drives. People I talked to at the time said “Wait… you have TWO CPU’s in your computer?? And over a _GIG_ of disk?” It was my PDC, File, Print, WINS, RAS/NAT (using ISDN w/ dynamic B-channel bonding for up to 128KBps!) and workstation all rolled in to one. It printed to an Apple LaserWriter via a Daystar Digital Appletalk card (supported by NT out of the box!). Good times. -sc From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Wow 128mb was hardcore in 1994! /tiphat! From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: recommendations on home server IBM PC Network stuff[1]. Later I ran just about every PC based networking product that ever came out. I stopped running servers when Desqview came out. Desqview allowed me to test my networking code without having to have a network. When IBM OS/2 came out, I switched to it for all my dev work. WIth 8MB of RAM and a 17 monitor, I could do some amazing dev work. In 1994, I was doing so much dev work I ran multiple physical servers: NetWare, NT 3.1/3.5/3.51, OS/2 and several others. System Commander allowed me to run multiple client OSs on my main dev box (dual Pentium Pro with 128MB RAM). Good times back then writing Assembler, C, COBOL, multiple variants of BASIC, every variant of dBASE and really got into Crystal Reports dev work. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ 1. I come from an IBM Mainframe background so IBM ruled my world then. From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Nice… what were you using to run it as a server? -sc From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server I'll raise your 1994 to 1985 and my blazing fast IBM PC-AT at 6MHz with 1MB RAM and TWO 20MB hard drives! :) My fellow programmers called me nuts to have so much RAM and storage space. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I’ve been running a server at home since 2001) I’ll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Ooh.. hardware RAID. Good times. -sc From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server wow ... as long as we're strolling down memory lane, remember the Compaq SystemPro ? Had an original in 1990/1991, it came with 8mb of RAM but we upgraded it to 12mb total before installing Netware, we did have 8 210mb drives with the IDA RAID controller :) 128mb then, just WOW , you were world class :) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Indeed it was. In that time frame I had a dual Pentium 90Mhz box w/ 128MB of RAM and a pair of external 340MB SCSI HDD's striped together In addition to a pair of internal drives. People I talked to at the time said Wait... you have TWO CPU's in your computer?? And over a _GIG_ of disk? It was my PDC, File, Print, WINS, RAS/NAT (using ISDN w/ dynamic B-channel bonding for up to 128KBps!) and workstation all rolled in to one. It printed to an Apple LaserWriter via a Daystar Digital Appletalk card (supported by NT out of the box!). Good times. -sc From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Wow 128mb was hardcore in 1994! /tiphat! From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: recommendations on home server IBM PC Network stuff[1]. Later I ran just about every PC based networking product that ever came out. I stopped running servers when Desqview came out. Desqview allowed me to test my networking code without having to have a network. When IBM OS/2 came out, I switched to it for all my dev work. WIth 8MB of RAM and a 17 monitor, I could do some amazing dev work. In 1994, I was doing so much dev work I ran multiple physical servers: NetWare, NT 3.1/3.5/3.51, OS/2 and several others. System Commander allowed me to run multiple client OSs on my main dev box (dual Pentium Pro with 128MB RAM). Good times back then writing Assembler, C, COBOL, multiple variants of BASIC, every variant of dBASE and really got into Crystal Reports dev work. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ 1. I come from an IBM Mainframe background so IBM ruled my world then. From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Nice... what were you using to run it as a server? -sc From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server I'll raise your 1994 to 1985 and my blazing fast IBM PC-AT at 6MHz with 1MB RAM and TWO 20MB hard drives! :) My fellow programmers called me nuts to have so much RAM and storage space. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I've been running a server at home since 2001) I'll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Not sure what Atom processors you have but ESXi (which is what the OP was asking about) isn't supported AFAIK according to the VMWare HCL. To reiterate he was looking for a system that could support ESXi , run SBS, W7 machines and other machines, presumably all at the same time for under $1000. My solution gets him that capability well within budget. Whether or not he leaves it up and running 24/7 is his call and depending on his location and time of year heating isn't necessarily a bad thing, not everyone lives in the tropics. There is no computer on the planet that won't use more electricity when pressed, it's physics. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Respectfully disagree. I used to have servers like this, but they are loud and generate a lot of heat. Living in Singapore with 30+ C temperatures (90F) means cooling is an issue. VM for home environments generally don't use a lot of CPU in my experience (I've been running a server at home since 2001). I've got a HP Proliant Microserver which effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU running 2 x DCs, Exchange 2010, Windows Home Server, Forefront TMG 2010, PKI/Print and WSUS all on a single box. And the CPU is rarely above 10%. I used to have a dual quad-core Xeon dell server, and the CPU on that was rarely above 1% - it just generated a lot of heat and noise for no reason. Cheers Ken From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 1:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women - I'll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Those things are loud. I have discovered my wife gets irrate with one of those things on in the house. As I live in a part of California where temperatures get to 115 degrees F the garage isn't an option. Also some of those 'real' servers end up requiring a 20 or 30 amp circuit as well. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate
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Micron PC had a tough time filling the order for 2 of those dev systems. I also ordered them with 21inch CRTs which were very expensive in 94. Me and my other dev guy really liked those boxes. They were also all SCSI. Scsi hds scsi cd scsi tape scsi jaz drives scsi zip drives. They were really nice dev boxes. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Erik Goldoff wrote: wow ... as long as we're strolling down memory lane, remember the Compaq SystemPro ? Had an original in 1990/1991, it came with 8mb of RAM but we upgraded it to 12mb total before installing Netware, we did have 8 210mb drives with the IDA RAID controller :) 128mb then, just WOW , you were world class :) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Indeed it was. In that time frame I had a dual Pentium 90Mhz box w/ 128MB of RAM and a pair of external 340MB SCSI HDD’s striped together In addition to a pair of internal drives. People I talked to at the time said “Wait… you have TWO CPU’s in your computer?? And over a _GIG_ of disk?” It was my PDC, File, Print, WINS, RAS/NAT (using ISDN w/ dynamic B-channel bonding for up to 128KBps!) and workstation all rolled in to one. It printed to an Apple LaserWriter via a Daystar Digital Appletalk card (supported by NT out of the box!). Good times. -sc From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.commailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Wow 128mb was hardcore in 1994! /tiphat! From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: recommendations on home server IBM PC Network stuff[1]. Later I ran just about every PC based networking product that ever came out. I stopped running servers when Desqview came out. Desqview allowed me to test my networking code without having to have a network. When IBM OS/2 came out, I switched to it for all my dev work. WIth 8MB of RAM and a 17 monitor, I could do some amazing dev work. In 1994, I was doing so much dev work I ran multiple physical servers: NetWare, NT 3.1/3.5/3.51, OS/2 and several others. System Commander allowed me to run multiple client OSs on my main dev box (dual Pentium Pro with 128MB RAM). Good times back then writing Assembler, C, COBOL, multiple variants of BASIC, every variant of dBASE and really got into Crystal Reports dev work. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ 1. I come from an IBM Mainframe background so IBM ruled my world then. From: scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Nice… what were you using to run it as a server? -sc From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server I'll raise your 1994 to 1985 and my blazing fast IBM PC-AT at 6MHz with 1MB RAM and TWO 20MB hard drives! :) My fellow programmers called me nuts to have so much RAM and storage space. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I’ve been running a server at home since 2001) I’ll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here
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SCSI FTW. Especially when real multithreaded OS's with ASYNC I/O hit. -sc From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Micron PC had a tough time filling the order for 2 of those dev systems. I also ordered them with 21inch CRTs which were very expensive in 94. Me and my other dev guy really liked those boxes. They were also all SCSI. Scsi hds scsi cd scsi tape scsi jaz drives scsi zip drives. They were really nice dev boxes. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Erik Goldoff wrote: wow ... as long as we're strolling down memory lane, remember the Compaq SystemPro ? Had an original in 1990/1991, it came with 8mb of RAM but we upgraded it to 12mb total before installing Netware, we did have 8 210mb drives with the IDA RAID controller :) 128mb then, just WOW , you were world class :) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Indeed it was. In that time frame I had a dual Pentium 90Mhz box w/ 128MB of RAM and a pair of external 340MB SCSI HDD's striped together In addition to a pair of internal drives. People I talked to at the time said Wait... you have TWO CPU's in your computer?? And over a _GIG_ of disk? It was my PDC, File, Print, WINS, RAS/NAT (using ISDN w/ dynamic B-channel bonding for up to 128KBps!) and workstation all rolled in to one. It printed to an Apple LaserWriter via a Daystar Digital Appletalk card (supported by NT out of the box!). Good times. -sc From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Wow 128mb was hardcore in 1994! /tiphat! From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: recommendations on home server IBM PC Network stuff[1]. Later I ran just about every PC based networking product that ever came out. I stopped running servers when Desqview came out. Desqview allowed me to test my networking code without having to have a network. When IBM OS/2 came out, I switched to it for all my dev work. WIth 8MB of RAM and a 17 monitor, I could do some amazing dev work. In 1994, I was doing so much dev work I ran multiple physical servers: NetWare, NT 3.1/3.5/3.51, OS/2 and several others. System Commander allowed me to run multiple client OSs on my main dev box (dual Pentium Pro with 128MB RAM). Good times back then writing Assembler, C, COBOL, multiple variants of BASIC, every variant of dBASE and really got into Crystal Reports dev work. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ 1. I come from an IBM Mainframe background so IBM ruled my world then. From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Nice... what were you using to run it as a server? -sc From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server I'll raise your 1994 to 1985 and my blazing fast IBM PC-AT at 6MHz with 1MB RAM and TWO 20MB hard drives! :) My fellow programmers called me nuts to have so much RAM and storage space. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I've been running a server at home since 2001) I'll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums
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The VAR I started with back in the day catered to DTP/printing customers in the area. I hulked more than my fair share of hernia makers. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: 21 CRT, we called 'em hernia monitors LOL ... over $2000 back then IIRC , we used to get the 21 or 24 NEC monitors for our graphics production specialists, everyone else got the 15 On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Micron PC had a tough time filling the order for 2 of those dev systems. I also ordered them with 21inch CRTs which were very expensive in 94. Me and my other dev guy really liked those boxes. They were also all SCSI. Scsi hds scsi cd scsi tape scsi jaz drives scsi zip drives. They were really nice dev boxes. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Erik Goldoff wrote: wow ... as long as we're strolling down memory lane, remember the Compaq SystemPro ? Had an original in 1990/1991, it came with 8mb of RAM but we upgraded it to 12mb total before installing Netware, we did have 8 210mb drives with the IDA RAID controller :) 128mb then, just WOW , you were world class :) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: Indeed it was. ** ** In that time frame I had a dual Pentium 90Mhz box w/ 128MB of RAM and a pair of external 340MB SCSI HDD’s striped together In addition to a pair of internal drives. ** ** People I talked to at the time said “Wait… you have TWO CPU’s in your computer?? And over a _*GIG*_ of disk?” ** ** It was my PDC, File, Print, WINS, RAS/NAT (using ISDN w/ dynamic B-channel bonding for up to 128KBps!) and workstation all rolled in to one. It printed to an Apple LaserWriter via a Daystar Digital Appletalk card (supported by NT out of the box!). ** ** Good times. ** ** -sc ** ** *From:* Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:42 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: recommendations on home server ** ** Wow 128mb was hardcore in 1994! /tiphat! ** ** ** ** -- *From:* Webster webs...@carlwebster.com *To:* NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:09 AM *Subject:* Re: recommendations on home server ** ** IBM PC Network stuff[1]. Later I ran just about every PC based networking product that ever came out. I stopped running servers when Desqview came out. Desqview allowed me to test my networking code without having to have a network. When IBM OS/2 came out, I switched to it for all my dev work. WIth 8MB of RAM and a 17 monitor, I could do some amazing dev work. In 1994, I was doing so much dev work I ran multiple physical servers: NetWare, NT 3.1/3.5/3.51, OS/2 and several others. System Commander allowed me to run multiple client OSs on my main dev box (dual Pentium Pro with 128MB RAM). ** ** Good times back then writing Assembler, C, COBOL, multiple variants of BASIC, every variant of dBASE and really got into Crystal Reports dev work. ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** 1. I come from an IBM Mainframe background so IBM ruled my world then.* *** ** ** *From: *scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com *Subject: *RE: recommendations on home server ** ** Nice… what were you using to run it as a server? -sc *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.comwebs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:29 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: recommendations on home server I'll raise your 1994 to 1985 and my blazing fast IBM PC-AT at 6MHz with 1MB RAM and TWO 20MB hard drives! :) My fellow programmers called me nuts to have so much RAM and storage space. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ *From: *scaes...@caesare.com scaes...@caesare.com *Subject: *RE: recommendations on home server (I’ve been running a server at home since 2001) I’ll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
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The intel Atom doesn't support hardware virtualization (VT-x), on any of the versions of the chip. (See here: http://ark.intel.com/products/family/29035) The HP Proliant Microserver (This guy: http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052) runs on a AMD Turion II Neo, which does have hardware virtualization (AMD-V), and (reportedly) runs Hyper-V Just fine. As far as my understanding goes, Intel's VT-x and AMD's AMD-V are the same technology with different names. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 06:56:37 -0700 Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Not sure what Atom processors you have but ESXi (which is what the OP was asking about) isn't supported AFAIK according to the VMWare HCL. To reiterate he was looking for a system that could support ESXi , run SBS, W7 machines and other machines, presumably all at the same time for under $1000. My solution gets him that capability well within budget. Whether or not he leaves it up and running 24/7 is his call and depending on his location and time of year heating isn't necessarily a bad thing, not everyone lives in the tropics. There is no computer on the planet that won't use more electricity when pressed, it's physics. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Respectfully disagree. I used to have servers like this, but they are loud and generate a lot of heat. Living in Singapore with 30+ C temperatures (90F) means cooling is an issue. VM for home environments generally don't use a lot of CPU in my experience (I've been running a server at home since 2001). I've got a HP Proliant Microserver which effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU running 2 x DCs, Exchange 2010, Windows Home Server, Forefront TMG 2010, PKI/Print and WSUS all on a single box. And the CPU is rarely above 10%. I used to have a dual quad-core Xeon dell server, and the CPU on that was rarely above 1% - it just generated a lot of heat and noise for no reason. Cheers Ken From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 1:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women - I'll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Those things are loud. I have discovered my wife gets irrate with one of those things on in the house. As I live in a part of California where temperatures get to 115 degrees F the garage isn't an option. Also some of those 'real' servers end up requiring a 20 or 30 amp circuit as well. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto
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Doing admin work takes up very little CPU... How much CPU is required to create a new user or issue a new cert or print a document? Loading Exchange Management Console, or doing a WSUS server cleanup seems to be limited by disk I/O. Using SSDs speeds this up significantly. Even installing Exchange 2010 was less than 2 minutes. On my second Proliant I have SCVMM and SCOM - even those just run along without consuming much CPU. Disk I/O is usually the bottleneck. Cheers Ken From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 7:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I've been running a server at home since 2001) I'll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. I do agree that generally you don't' need huge amounts of CPU over the long-haul average (I mean who really cares if your home mail server for 3 people takes 5 seconds to deliver an email instead of 2?), but when you do decide to do some admin work on a box, etc... I'm not sure a dual-proc Atom is going to be fun You must be a patient man. :) One of the things that I have found with home usage is that even though CPU needs may be relatively low, I/O and storage needs may still need to be relatively significant. Pushing media files around the house, or moving .vmdk/.vhd files around on lower-end NICs or storage controllers sucks. -sc From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Respectfully disagree. I used to have servers like this, but they are loud and generate a lot of heat. Living in Singapore with 30+ C temperatures (90F) means cooling is an issue. VM for home environments generally don't use a lot of CPU in my experience (I've been running a server at home since 2001). I've got a HP Proliant Microserver which effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU running 2 x DCs, Exchange 2010, Windows Home Server, Forefront TMG 2010, PKI/Print and WSUS all on a single box. And the CPU is rarely above 10%. I used to have a dual quad-core Xeon dell server, and the CPU on that was rarely above 1% - it just generated a lot of heat and noise for no reason. Cheers Ken From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 1:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women - I'll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Those things are loud. I have discovered my wife gets irrate with one of those things on in the house. As I live in a part of California where temperatures get to 115 degrees F the garage isn't an option. Also some of those 'real' servers end up requiring a 20 or 30 amp circuit as well. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId
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Cool.. glad it's working for you. I've had an atom-based machine. And when compared to another box that had practically the same disk specs, I could definitely feel the difference just for simple workstation tasks. Perhaps it could be mitigated some with fast disk, additional RAM, etc... but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable recommending atom based devices as VM platforms. Both my VM hosts are ProLiant dual CPU P4 HT-enabled Xeon's running at 2.8Ghz. Not the latest, but no slouches either. I'd have to say that if I'm bouncing back and forth between a DC, my IIS box, and say Exchange, I can see some CPU hit. I just swapped one of these boxes in to replace an older Dual-CPU P-III box with the exact same amount of RAM, and identical disk. The only real difference is CPU horsepower, and I can tell a difference. But as YMMV has held true for you, it's another option for folks to consider. Especially if heat/noise are larger factors than raw performance. -sc PS- As other folks have pointed out, Atom's aren't actually supported... are you running them anyway, or when you say effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU does that actually mean something else? From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Doing admin work takes up very little CPU... How much CPU is required to create a new user or issue a new cert or print a document? Loading Exchange Management Console, or doing a WSUS server cleanup seems to be limited by disk I/O. Using SSDs speeds this up significantly. Even installing Exchange 2010 was less than 2 minutes. On my second Proliant I have SCVMM and SCOM - even those just run along without consuming much CPU. Disk I/O is usually the bottleneck. Cheers Ken From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 7:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server (I've been running a server at home since 2001) I'll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. I do agree that generally you don't' need huge amounts of CPU over the long-haul average (I mean who really cares if your home mail server for 3 people takes 5 seconds to deliver an email instead of 2?), but when you do decide to do some admin work on a box, etc... I'm not sure a dual-proc Atom is going to be fun You must be a patient man. J One of the things that I have found with home usage is that even though CPU needs may be relatively low, I/O and storage needs may still need to be relatively significant. Pushing media files around the house, or moving .vmdk/.vhd files around on lower-end NICs or storage controllers sucks. -sc From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Respectfully disagree. I used to have servers like this, but they are loud and generate a lot of heat. Living in Singapore with 30+ C temperatures (90F) means cooling is an issue. VM for home environments generally don't use a lot of CPU in my experience (I've been running a server at home since 2001). I've got a HP Proliant Microserver which effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU running 2 x DCs, Exchange 2010, Windows Home Server, Forefront TMG 2010, PKI/Print and WSUS all on a single box. And the CPU is rarely above 10%. I used to have a dual quad-core Xeon dell server, and the CPU on that was rarely above 1% - it just generated a lot of heat and noise for no reason. Cheers Ken From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 1:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women - I'll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Those things are loud. I have discovered my wife gets irrate with one of those things on in the house. As I live in a part of California where temperatures get to 115 degrees F the garage isn't an option. Also some of those 'real' servers end up requiring a 20 or 30 amp circuit as well. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's
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Well, I intend to try that 'Private Cloud' solution for my lab server in the next 2-3 weeks so I will post my stuff when I get it all built. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: Cool.. glad it’s working for you. ** ** I’ve had an atom-based machine. And when compared to another box that had practically the same disk specs, I could definitely feel the difference just for simple workstation tasks. ** ** Perhaps it could be mitigated some with fast disk, additional RAM, etc… but I’m not sure I’d be comfortable recommending atom based devices as VM platforms. ** ** Both my VM hosts are ProLiant dual CPU P4 HT-enabled Xeon’s running at 2.8Ghz. Not the latest, but no slouches either. I’d have to say that if I’m bouncing back and forth between a DC, my IIS box, and say Exchange, I can see some CPU hit. I just swapped one of these boxes in to replace an older Dual-CPU P-III box with the exact same amount of RAM, and identical disk. The only real difference is CPU horsepower, and I can tell a difference. ** ** But as YMMV has held true for you, it’s another option for folks to consider. Especially if heat/noise are larger factors than raw performance. ** ** -sc ** ** PS- As other folks have pointed out, Atom’s aren’t actually supported… are you running them anyway, or when you say “effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU” does that actually mean something else? ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:30 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server ** ** Doing admin work takes up very little CPU… How much CPU is required to create a new user or issue a new cert or print a document? ** ** Loading Exchange Management Console, or doing a WSUS server cleanup seems to be limited by disk I/O. Using SSDs speeds this up significantly. Even installing Exchange 2010 was less than 2 minutes. ** ** On my second Proliant I have SCVMM and SCOM – even those just run along without consuming much CPU. Disk I/O is usually the bottleneck. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 April 2012 7:19 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server ** ** (I’ve been running a server at home since 2001) ** ** I’ll see your 2001, and raise you a 1994. ** ** I do agree that generally you don’t’ need huge amounts of CPU over the long-haul average (I mean who really cares if your home mail server for 3 people takes 5 seconds to deliver an email instead of 2?), but when you do decide to do some admin work on a box, etc… I’m not sure a dual-proc Atom is going to be fun…. You must be a patient man. J ** ** One of the things that I have found with home usage is that even though CPU needs may be relatively low, I/O and storage needs may still need to be relatively significant. Pushing media files around the house, or moving .vmdk/.vhd files around on lower-end NICs or storage controllers sucks.*** * ** ** -sc ** ** *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:57 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server ** ** Respectfully disagree. ** ** I used to have servers like this, but they are loud and generate a lot of heat. Living in Singapore with 30+ C temperatures (90F) means cooling is an issue. ** ** VM for home environments generally don’t use a lot of CPU in my experience (I’ve been running a server at home since 2001). I’ve got a HP Proliant Microserver which effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU running 2 x DCs, Exchange 2010, Windows Home Server, Forefront TMG 2010, PKI/Print and WSUS all on a single box. And the CPU is rarely above 10%. I used to have a dual quad-core Xeon dell server, and the CPU on that was rarely above 1% - it just generated a lot of heat and noise for no reason. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 April 2012 1:09 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server ** ** I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women – I’ll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! ** ** *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April
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Yeah, it's an AMD dual-core Neo, but since no one seems to know what that is, I've given up trying to explain it :) Atom seems to have more recognition. FWIW, my team has another one of these sitting in the office (again because it's quiet/cool). It's running SharePoint 2010 with about 6-7GB of documents, which we access using SharePoint Workspace and Outlook. For BAU, I don't think the CPU gets much above 5% I did a quick check on my server at home, and Perfmon.exe was using more CPU than anything else :) I ran a few admin tools, copied some files, checked the spam filters etc. Exchange is receiving around 50,000 messages/day (99% spam :)), yet the VM is using about 3% of the host's CPU. Given that we used to run these things on 500Mhz or lower specced servers, I think CPUs running at 1.3Ghz (or more) these days, should provide sufficient grunt for server Ops. IMHO disk is the biggest bottleneck. Put a couple of SSDs into your server and see what happens. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised :) Cheers Ken From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Cool.. glad it's working for you. I've had an atom-based machine. And when compared to another box that had practically the same disk specs, I could definitely feel the difference just for simple workstation tasks. Perhaps it could be mitigated some with fast disk, additional RAM, etc... but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable recommending atom based devices as VM platforms. Both my VM hosts are ProLiant dual CPU P4 HT-enabled Xeon's running at 2.8Ghz. Not the latest, but no slouches either. I'd have to say that if I'm bouncing back and forth between a DC, my IIS box, and say Exchange, I can see some CPU hit. I just swapped one of these boxes in to replace an older Dual-CPU P-III box with the exact same amount of RAM, and identical disk. The only real difference is CPU horsepower, and I can tell a difference. But as YMMV has held true for you, it's another option for folks to consider. Especially if heat/noise are larger factors than raw performance. -sc PS- As other folks have pointed out, Atom's aren't actually supported... are you running them anyway, or when you say effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU does that actually mean something else? From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Doing admin work takes up very little CPU... How much CPU is required to create a new user or issue a new cert or print a document? Loading Exchange Management Console, or doing a WSUS server cleanup seems to be limited by disk I/O. Using SSDs speeds this up significantly. Even installing Exchange 2010 was less than 2 minutes. On my second Proliant I have SCVMM and SCOM - even those just run along without consuming much CPU. Disk I/O is usually the bottleneck. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin image/jpeg
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Experience from working on your own home lab - Priceless From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto: [cid:image001.jpg@01CD1172.49C0F9E0] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin inline: image001.jpg
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Had a friend do this very thing recently and the mb/cpu combo he picked would not support hyperviser. From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto: [cid:image001.jpg@01CD1172.77B09EA0] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin This email and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately. All inquiries, quotations, purchase orders, acknowledgments, invoices or other documents memorializing offers, acceptances or contractual obligations are subject to Webco’s standard terms and conditions of sale (when Webco is the seller, www.webcoindustries.com/tcsales.aspx) or purchase (when Webco is the buyer, www.webcoindustries.com/tcpurchase.aspx). Webco manufactures tubular products to meet customer dimensional and materials specifications. Webco is not an engineering or design business. Any engineering information provided is purely incidental to the tube manufacturing process and not offered or intended to be engineering services related to the performance specifications a customer may require, which is the customer’s responsibility to determine. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin inline: image001.jpg
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Agreed, going to need to get myself a laptop and multiboot a few different versions of Linux soon for getting the skill-set up to speed. Z Edward Ziots CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Experience from working on your own home lab - Priceless From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com mailto: The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com http://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin image001.jpg
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It's my understanding that this combination does. But I would definitely do some investigation to verify that all the components are compatible and have the features the OP is looking for. Just pointing out that based on what he was looking for, it's possible to put together a solution in his price range. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: Jeff Brown jbr...@webcoindustries.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 04/03/2012 09:24 AM Subject:RE: recommendations on home server Had a friend do this very thing recently and the mb/cpu combo he picked would not support hyperviser. From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin This email and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately. All inquiries, quotations, purchase orders, acknowledgments, invoices or other documents memorializing offers, acceptances or contractual obligations are subject to Webco’s standard terms and conditions of sale (when Webco is the seller, www.webcoindustries.com/tcsales.aspx) or purchase (when Webco is the buyer, www.webcoindustries.com/tcpurchase.aspx). Webco manufactures tubular products to meet customer dimensional and materials specifications. Webco is not an engineering or design business. Any engineering information provided is purely incidental to the tube manufacturing process and not offered or intended to be engineering services related to the performance specifications a customer may require, which is the customer’s responsibility to determine. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
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On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: Also, why limit yourself to ESXi. Hyper-V server is free and works great on a large variety of hardware. There's a free version of ESXi, too. (called ESXi Hypervisor, I believe). It won't do command line stuff, and a few other, not too limiting things. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Ok, that's pretty interesting. I am getting my new lab system together this week. I looking at the Shuttle SZ68R5 and was going to splurge for an i7-2600 for the cores and start with 16GB RAM though the board is capable of 32, my wallet won't support it. For storage I was considering something backend like OpenFiler etc. I was going with HyperV and going to play with Server 8 preview for now on mine. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Coleman, Hunter hcole...@mt.gov wrote: Check out Jeff’s post at http://www.expta.com/2012/01/blistering-fast-windows-server-parts.html ** ** Lots of overlap with what you mentioned. ** ** *From:* Jimmy Tran [mailto:jt...@teachtci.com] *Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2012 4:19 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* recommendations on home server ** ** I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? ** ** Jimmy ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Thanks for that link. Its great having such great resource on this forum! I think I'm just going to wait for a sale and give myself a super early Christmas Present. From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Check out Jeff's post at http://www.expta.com/2012/01/blistering-fast-windows-server-parts.html Lots of overlap with what you mentioned. From: Jimmy Tran [mailto:jt...@teachtci.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: recommendations on home server I'm in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM's. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don't know where to startcan someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 mailto: christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America http://www.guardianlife.com/ www.guardianlife.com From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server _ I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpg
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OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU’s and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it’s on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft’s and Citrix’s as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto: [cid:image001.jpg@01CD1197.188ED480] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin inline: image001.jpg
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Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn't workstation quiet but I wouldn't expect it to be. As he'd be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to play around with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459tel:610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CD1199.510409A0] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I'm in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM's. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don't know where to startcan someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal
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Yeah, but look at the upside. The CEO of your utility company will love you for it and will start sending you holiday, birthday, and thank you cards from the Bahamas along with your bill. -Paul From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Those things are loud. I have discovered my wife gets irrate with one of those things on in the house. As I live in a part of California where temperatures get to 115 degrees F the garage isn't an option. Also some of those 'real' servers end up requiring a 20 or 30 amp circuit as well. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459tel:610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CD1192.CF710380] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I'm in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM's. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don't know where to startcan someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files
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I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women - I'll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Those things are loud. I have discovered my wife gets irrate with one of those things on in the house. As I live in a part of California where temperatures get to 115 degrees F the garage isn't an option. Also some of those 'real' servers end up requiring a 20 or 30 amp circuit as well. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459tel:610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CD119A.FCE40490] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I'm in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM's. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don't know where to startcan someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996
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Wow. I guess we will have to take our toys and go home now. I mean, I don't live in a mansion myself and the garage is not an option for placing a real man's man' server due to temperation considerations in the summer and my children being in the next room and all make the noise a serious and very 'real' problem for enjoying the small house that I (and the bank) own without a noise isolated room. It's a home lab, not replica work environment for crying out loud. Most electircal circuts won't be 20-30 amps either which when one gets to 'real mans server' is a consideration. If one can spin up a virtualization platform and load up ones guest systems on it, we will gain benefit from our 'little toys'. :D Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn’t workstation quiet but I wouldn’t expect it to be. As he’d be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to “play around” with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. ** ** *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: recommendations on home server ** ** It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU’s and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it’s on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft’s and Citrix’s as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl *From:* Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. *Christopher Bodnar* Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com * The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America* * *www.guardianlife.com From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server -- I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click
Re: recommendations on home server
to that end, there are some decent i5 and i7 based notebook computers that can be used for VM hosting, relatively quietly, relatively low heat, etc. For work I have an HP with 8GB RAM and a Core i7 cpu, and often run variations of VMware, Virtual PC, and Virtual Box for QA and customer demo purposes. works just fine. Would I want to use it as a 24x7 host for an enterprise, of course not. That said, there should be some refurb and off lease for a decent price On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. I guess we will have to take our toys and go home now. I mean, I don't live in a mansion myself and the garage is not an option for placing a real man's man' server due to temperation considerations in the summer and my children being in the next room and all make the noise a serious and very 'real' problem for enjoying the small house that I (and the bank) own without a noise isolated room. It's a home lab, not replica work environment for crying out loud. Most electircal circuts won't be 20-30 amps either which when one gets to 'real mans server' is a consideration. If one can spin up a virtualization platform and load up ones guest systems on it, we will gain benefit from our 'little toys'. :D Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn’t workstation quiet but I wouldn’t expect it to be. As he’d be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to “play around” with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. ** ** *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: recommendations on home server ** ** It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote:*** * OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU’s and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it’s on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft’s and Citrix’s as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 *John W. Cook* *Network Operations Manager* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl *From:* Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. *Christopher Bodnar* Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com * The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America* * *www.guardianlife.com From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations
RE: recommendations on home server
I have a few HP DL's which are not feasible, so I bought an ML150G6, quiet as hell, the downside is the ram is prohibitively expensive... From: John Cook [john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women – I’ll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
Use what works for you, I guarantee your AC air handler fan makes a lot more noise than an enterprise class server. Again, I was offering a fully functional option with some horsepower well within the price range that was ready the moment you open the box. Fast, cheap, quiet - pick two John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Wow. I guess we will have to take our toys and go home now. I mean, I don't live in a mansion myself and the garage is not an option for placing a real man's man' server due to temperation considerations in the summer and my children being in the next room and all make the noise a serious and very 'real' problem for enjoying the small house that I (and the bank) own without a noise isolated room. It's a home lab, not replica work environment for crying out loud. Most electircal circuts won't be 20-30 amps either which when one gets to 'real mans server' is a consideration. If one can spin up a virtualization platform and load up ones guest systems on it, we will gain benefit from our 'little toys'. :D Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn't workstation quiet but I wouldn't expect it to be. As he'd be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to play around with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459tel:610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CD11A4.1FC5D520] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com
Re: recommendations on home server
A laptop is a great idea if the solution needs to be portable. Not sure that was what the OP was looking for. Also the scalability of a laptop for something like this is very limited unless you significantly increase the budget. For a home based solution at a fixed price, I think rolling your own is still the best option. YMMV Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 04/03/2012 02:14 PM Subject:Re: recommendations on home server to that end, there are some decent i5 and i7 based notebook computers that can be used for VM hosting, relatively quietly, relatively low heat, etc. For work I have an HP with 8GB RAM and a Core i7 cpu, and often run variations of VMware, Virtual PC, and Virtual Box for QA and customer demo purposes. works just fine. Would I want to use it as a 24x7 host for an enterprise, of course not. That said, there should be some refurb and off lease for a decent price On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. I guess we will have to take our toys and go home now. I mean, I don't live in a mansion myself and the garage is not an option for placing a real man's man' server due to temperation considerations in the summer and my children being in the next room and all make the noise a serious and very 'real' problem for enjoying the small house that I (and the bank) own without a noise isolated room. It's a home lab, not replica work environment for crying out loud. Most electircal circuts won't be 20-30 amps either which when one gets to 'real mans server' is a consideration. If one can spin up a virtualization platform and load up ones guest systems on it, we will gain benefit from our 'little toys'. :D Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn’t workstation quiet but I wouldn’t expect it to be. As he’d be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to “play around” with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU’s and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it’s on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft’s and Citrix’s as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB
RE: recommendations on home server
I have two Dell Precision workstations that have 2 sockets each in them, 32-48GB of RAM each, and 4-8 drives each. They make a very noticeable impact on my electricity bill (Chicago). They're essentially server components in a workstation case with quiet fans. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn't workstation quiet but I wouldn't expect it to be. As he'd be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to play around with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459tel:610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CD11A0.B1AB1030] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I'm in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM's. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don't know where to startcan someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only
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I get Dell Precision workstations off their outlet store. Both the ones I have were good deals in terms of cost/components. I just upgrade the RAM periodically when I run out of capacity. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I have a few HP DL's which are not feasible, so I bought an ML150G6, quiet as hell, the downside is the ram is prohibitively expensive... From: John Cook [john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women - I'll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
Again, large # of spindles = electricity use spike. I only have two drives in the box (one OS, one local storage) and my general VM storage is a 1 Tb QNAP ISCSi target YMMV John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 2:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I have two Dell Precision workstations that have 2 sockets each in them, 32-48GB of RAM each, and 4-8 drives each. They make a very noticeable impact on my electricity bill (Chicago). They're essentially server components in a workstation case with quiet fans. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn't workstation quiet but I wouldn't expect it to be. As he'd be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to play around with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459tel:610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CD11AA.95770450] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I'm in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM's. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount
RE: recommendations on home server
What's the definition of pennies a day? If a server uses 200W and is left on 24x7, that's ~ $14/month, which is less than $1/day but not what I'd call pennies a day.Older Intel technology wasn't known for being power friendly, so 200W may be on the low side. A modern quad desktop with a couple 7200 rpm drives easily uses less than 100W when idle, so that would qualify for my definition of pennies a day. Carl From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn't workstation quiet but I wouldn't expect it to be. As he'd be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to play around with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-D ual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servers http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86- Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 hash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1 963472CatId=7248 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=19 63472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1 874822CatId=4534 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=18 74822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7 331904CatId=4357 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=73 31904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1 239958CatId=7341 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=12 39958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7 328068CatId=1509 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=73 28068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America http://www.guardianlife.com/ www.guardianlife.com From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server _ I'm in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM's. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don't know where to start..can someone recommend something? Jimmy
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Is fifty cents a day a reasonable investment in ones ongoing education? Just like buying a hybrid car, investing in a new more efficient machine rarely makes good financial sense. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server What's the definition of pennies a day? If a server uses 200W and is left on 24x7, that's ~ $14/month, which is less than $1/day but not what I'd call pennies a day.Older Intel technology wasn't known for being power friendly, so 200W may be on the low side. A modern quad desktop with a couple 7200 rpm drives easily uses less than 100W when idle, so that would qualify for my definition of pennies a day. Carl From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn't workstation quiet but I wouldn't expect it to be. As he'd be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to play around with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459tel:610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CD11AF.FFAF9B20] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I'm in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM's. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking
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You can run your own Exchange server and not have to pay $6/mth for Office365. Two, or more, e-mail accounts on Office365 would cover the costs of the extra power and cooling. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Is fifty cents a day a reasonable investment in ones ongoing education? Just like buying a hybrid car, investing in a new more efficient machine rarely makes good financial sense. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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It's not about Exchange Webbie, it's about learning virtualization, please try to keep up! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server You can run your own Exchange server and not have to pay $6/mth for Office365. Two, or more, e-mail accounts on Office365 would cover the costs of the extra power and cooling. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Is fifty cents a day a reasonable investment in ones ongoing education? Just like buying a hybrid car, investing in a new more efficient machine rarely makes good financial sense. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Big picture: For the same money, you can build from new desktop parts something that outperforms your example of an old server, and reduce your KWH hit as well. That makes it a win-win for BYOPC vs. buy an old server as long as the desktop parts are selected carefully. Carl From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Is fifty cents a day a reasonable investment in ones ongoing education? Just like buying a hybrid car, investing in a new more efficient machine rarely makes good financial sense. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server What's the definition of pennies a day? If a server uses 200W and is left on 24x7, that's ~ $14/month, which is less than $1/day but not what I'd call pennies a day.Older Intel technology wasn't known for being power friendly, so 200W may be on the low side. A modern quad desktop with a couple 7200 rpm drives easily uses less than 100W when idle, so that would qualify for my definition of pennies a day. Carl From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn't workstation quiet but I wouldn't expect it to be. As he'd be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to play around with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-D ual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servers http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86- Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 hash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1 963472CatId=7248 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=19 63472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1 874822CatId=4534 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=18 74822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7 331904CatId=4357 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=73 31904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1 239958CatId=7341 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=12 39958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7 328068CatId=1509 http://www.tigerdirect.com
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In many cases this may be true but my point was that there are no I can't figure out why it bluescreened issues to frustrate you (BTDT) since it is an approved package not a conglomeration of parts. You should go browse what's on EBay, I think you may be shocked as to how cheap some of those servers are. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Big picture: For the same money, you can build from new desktop parts something that outperforms your example of an old server, and reduce your KWH hit as well. That makes it a win-win for BYOPC vs. buy an old server as long as the desktop parts are selected carefully. Carl From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Is fifty cents a day a reasonable investment in ones ongoing education? Just like buying a hybrid car, investing in a new more efficient machine rarely makes good financial sense. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server What's the definition of pennies a day? If a server uses 200W and is left on 24x7, that's ~ $14/month, which is less than $1/day but not what I'd call pennies a day.Older Intel technology wasn't known for being power friendly, so 200W may be on the low side. A modern quad desktop with a couple 7200 rpm drives easily uses less than 100W when idle, so that would qualify for my definition of pennies a day. Carl From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn't workstation quiet but I wouldn't expect it to be. As he'd be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to play around with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com
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Don't think I saw it mentioned... but worth considering... There are many great deals at Dell Outlet on Desktops and Servers. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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I have been on the road for 2 months. It is hard for me to keep up right now. :) I am cleaning up my pigsty, I mean office, and rebuilding (repurposing) all 5 of my lab servers. Repurposing my storage server and original XenServer host as an ESXi cluster, and my original travel ready ESXi/XenServer hosts as a XenServer pool and my old writing PC as my new 4TB iSCSI SAN using StarWind's iSCSI stuff. And my backbreaker laptop is getting an SSD to speed up my VMs for my Synergy Geek Speak session (10 Things in AD That Can Mess Up Your XenApp/XenDesktop Deployments) [or whatever Citrix decided to name the session since I couldn't use the title I really wanted]. Just checked and they have it titled as 10 ways Active Directory can hurt XenDesktop or XenApp and how to fix them (SYN515). http://www.citrixsynergy.com/sanfrancisco/learn/breakout-sessions.html OK, back to cleaning up. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server It's not about Exchange Webbie, it's about learning virtualization, please try to keep up! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Not surprised... I know of plenty of older rackmount PE's that were donated because nobody wants to buy power hungry dinosaurs... for a home heating appliance, you can do better. J Hyper-V is very friendly to conglomerations of desktop parts. If you want the VMware experience, probably best to find a real server (if that's changed in more recent years, I'd love to hear about it). I do acknowledge that onboard RAID monitoring can be an issue, as desktop RAID monitors usually won't install on server core or Hyper-V servers. That can generally be worked around with a bit of scheduled scripting that checks the RAID drive for predicted to fail via WMI (if anyone wants to see such a script e-mail me privately). Carl From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server In many cases this may be true but my point was that there are no I can't figure out why it bluescreened issues to frustrate you (BTDT) since it is an approved package not a conglomeration of parts. You should go browse what's on EBay, I think you may be shocked as to how cheap some of those servers are. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Big picture: For the same money, you can build from new desktop parts something that outperforms your example of an old server, and reduce your KWH hit as well. That makes it a win-win for BYOPC vs. buy an old server as long as the desktop parts are selected carefully. Carl From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Is fifty cents a day a reasonable investment in ones ongoing education? Just like buying a hybrid car, investing in a new more efficient machine rarely makes good financial sense. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server What's the definition of pennies a day? If a server uses 200W and is left on 24x7, that's ~ $14/month, which is less than $1/day but not what I'd call pennies a day.Older Intel technology wasn't known for being power friendly, so 200W may be on the low side. A modern quad desktop with a couple 7200 rpm drives easily uses less than 100W when idle, so that would qualify for my definition of pennies a day. Carl From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Electricity for a single low use server is pennies a day, the more drives you spin the higher the bill no matter what case you put it in and no it isn't workstation quiet but I wouldn't expect it to be. As he'd be doing remote management for the most part the server can go anywhere there is an ethernet connection. If you want to play around with virtualization build a workstation, if you want to learn and test in something close to a real world environment buy a used server. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server It isn't quiet or low powered, though... On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-D ual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servers http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86- Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 hash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From
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Respectfully disagree. I used to have servers like this, but they are loud and generate a lot of heat. Living in Singapore with 30+ C temperatures (90F) means cooling is an issue. VM for home environments generally don't use a lot of CPU in my experience (I've been running a server at home since 2001). I've got a HP Proliant Microserver which effectively has a dual-core Atom CPU running 2 x DCs, Exchange 2010, Windows Home Server, Forefront TMG 2010, PKI/Print and WSUS all on a single box. And the CPU is rarely above 10%. I used to have a dual quad-core Xeon dell server, and the CPU on that was rarely above 1% - it just generated a lot of heat and noise for no reason. Cheers Ken From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2012 1:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I have a 2950 at home (just as an example) and have never suffered any need to modify the electrical circuit. There are ways of isolating the noise but any fan is going to generate noise. Irritates women - I'll have to keep that handy in case I need to get rid of one! John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Those things are loud. I have discovered my wife gets irrate with one of those things on in the house. As I live in a part of California where temperatures get to 115 degrees F the garage isn't an option. Also some of those 'real' servers end up requiring a 20 or 30 amp circuit as well. On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: OR you can just buy a used Dell Poweredge 2950 for $400-$600 with a raid controller, multiple drives and CPU's and gobs of memory and be done with it. I can assure you it's on the VMWare HCL and most likely Microsoft's and Citrix's as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-2950-2x-Intel-R-Xeon-R-CPU-5120-1-86-Dual-Core-6-x-300GB-/160776821444?pt=COMP_EN_Servershash=item256f0b9ac4 John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.commailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Wow, 8 cores for a home/lab server? That's a little extravagant, isn't it? 4 cores is fine for a handful of VMs, and quad AMD Phenom's can be had for $100 when on sale. Don't really need the graphics that's bundled into the FX CPUs, and AM3 motherboards are cheaper as well. Carl From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]mailto:[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Strictly for home lab use: MB http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1963472CatId=7248 $84 Memory http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1874822CatId=4534 HD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7331904CatId=4357 $99 CPU http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239958CatId=7341 $189 Case http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7328068CatId=1509 $69 Using these components you could get the following: 32G RAM 3TB in RAID 5 array across 4 spindles Total cost $954. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Achitect I, Corporate Office of Technology Tel 610-807-6459tel:610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CD1251.9D5DBEF0] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:04/02/2012 06:26 PM Subject:recommendations on home server I'm in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM's. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don't know where to startcan someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE
recommendations on home server
I'm in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM's. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don't know where to startcan someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but raid/lots of power/low wattage and for 500 to 1000? I'd say not a chance. Any decent raid card (by decent I mean has a BBWC) will easily be in the 1000.00 range alone. In my opinion most setups I see are disc io bound, so if you can put money in mostly one place, thats where. From: Jimmy Tran [jt...@teachtci.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: recommendations on home server I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Trying to run more than 3-4 r2 hosts with something like Exchange on all of them over 1 spindle is like auto racing Yugos. Sure, you can do it, but it doesn't impress anyone and it's not very fun to watch. From: Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Funny. For what I presume his purposes are (home lab, learning, testing, etc.), I would recommend a bunch of RAM and to not worry too much about disk I/O, RAID or CPU power. A regular PC with 12GB or 16GB RAM, an i5 or i7 CPU, and a decent SATA hard drive ought to do nicely for mucking about with the new toys from Microsoft. Also, why limit yourself to ESXi. Hyper-V server is free and works great on a large variety of hardware. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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XenServer also has a free version. But if the OP works in a VMware shop, then ESXi makes perfect sense. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Also, why limit yourself to ESXi. Hyper-V server is free and works great on a large variety of hardware. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Your experience will be *way* better though with multiple spindles. I use 4x1T SATA RAID10 in my VM hosts and it works great. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Funny. For what I presume his purposes are (home lab, learning, testing, etc.), I would recommend a bunch of RAM and to not worry too much about disk I/O, RAID or CPU power. A regular PC with 12GB or 16GB RAM, an i5 or i7 CPU, and a decent SATA hard drive ought to do nicely for mucking about with the new toys from Microsoft. Also, why limit yourself to ESXi. Hyper-V server is free and works great on a large variety of hardware. On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.commailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Not to be the bearer of bad news, but raid/lots of power/low wattage and for 500 to 1000? I'd say not a chance. Any decent raid card (by decent I mean has a BBWC) will easily be in the 1000.00 range alone. In my opinion most setups I see are disc io bound, so if you can put money in mostly one place, thats where. From: Jimmy Tran [jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: recommendations on home server I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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So it sounds like a regular pc built up with good amount of ram and multiple spindles will do the trick with a dual core i5 or i7? From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Your experience will be *way* better though with multiple spindles. I use 4x1T SATA RAID10 in my VM hosts and it works great. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Funny. For what I presume his purposes are (home lab, learning, testing, etc.), I would recommend a bunch of RAM and to not worry too much about disk I/O, RAID or CPU power. A regular PC with 12GB or 16GB RAM, an i5 or i7 CPU, and a decent SATA hard drive ought to do nicely for mucking about with the new toys from Microsoft. Also, why limit yourself to ESXi. Hyper-V server is free and works great on a large variety of hardware. On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Not to be the bearer of bad news, but raid/lots of power/low wattage and for 500 to 1000? I'd say not a chance. Any decent raid card (by decent I mean has a BBWC) will easily be in the 1000.00 range alone. In my opinion most setups I see are disc io bound, so if you can put money in mostly one place, thats where. From: Jimmy Tran [jt...@teachtci.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: recommendations on home server I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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I would go quad-core myself. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Jimmy Tran [mailto:jt...@teachtci.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 7:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server So it sounds like a regular pc built up with good amount of ram and multiple spindles will do the trick with a dual core i5 or i7? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Sounds like a plan. Thanks for your inputs! From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I would go quad-core myself. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Jimmy Tran [mailto:jt...@teachtci.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 7:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server So it sounds like a regular pc built up with good amount of ram and multiple spindles will do the trick with a dual core i5 or i7? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
Now would you guys recommend the same type of setup for the first server of a small business with 6 users? Will be using SBS, file and print server. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I would go quad-core myself. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Jimmy Tran [mailto:jt...@teachtci.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 7:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server So it sounds like a regular pc built up with good amount of ram and multiple spindles will do the trick with a dual core i5 or i7? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Personally for a first sever buy a real one if the company can afford it. Depending on your comfort level and the money you may want to look at maybe making the SBS server virtualized. Jon On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Jimmy Tran jt...@teachtci.com wrote: Now would you guys recommend the same type of setup for the first server of a small business with 6 users? Will be using SBS, file and print server. ** ** *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2012 5:12 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server ** ** I would go quad-core myself. ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** *From:* Jimmy Tran [mailto:jt...@teachtci.com jt...@teachtci.com] *Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2012 7:01 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: recommendations on home server ** ** So it sounds like a regular pc built up with good amount of ram and multiple spindles will do the trick with a dual core i5 or i7? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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1) that is a completely different request than your previous.
2) depends on the business and primary usage. Engineers will use stuff much
differently than the back office for a retail operation. Did some work for
an Oil Gas concern and they grew from 6 to 50 in a year. They would have
been displeased had I not planned for such growth. You need to do some
similar analysis.
On Monday, April 2, 2012, Jimmy Tran wrote:
Now would you guys recommend the same type of setup for the first server
of a small business with 6 users? Will be using SBS, file and print server.
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I would go quad-core myself.
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Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
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So it sounds like a regular pc built up with good amount of ram and
multiple spindles will do the trick with a dual core i5 or i7?
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RE: recommendations on home server
That is a great point. I'll have to consider the growth for the next few years. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server 1) that is a completely different request than your previous. 2) depends on the business and primary usage. Engineers will use stuff much differently than the back office for a retail operation. Did some work for an Oil Gas concern and they grew from 6 to 50 in a year. They would have been displeased had I not planned for such growth. You need to do some similar analysis. On Monday, April 2, 2012, Jimmy Tran wrote: Now would you guys recommend the same type of setup for the first server of a small business with 6 users? Will be using SBS, file and print server. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'webs...@carlwebster.com'); ] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server I would go quad-core myself. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Jimmy Tran [mailto:jt...@teachtci.com javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'jt...@teachtci.com'); ] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 7:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server So it sounds like a regular pc built up with good amount of ram and multiple spindles will do the trick with a dual core i5 or i7? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.co m'); with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.co m'); with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
Depends how much RAM you need. Something like a HP Proliant Microserver will be low power/cool/quiet. Has 4 drive bays, but max of 8 GB of RAM. Otherwise, if you need more RAM, then a low end server from HP/Dell/etc would be best IMHO. If you want to buy a regular PC, but keep this thing on 24x7, then get a decent case, with fans etc. designed for 24x7 usage. Cheers Ken From: Jimmy Tran [mailto:jt...@teachtci.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server So it sounds like a regular pc built up with good amount of ram and multiple spindles will do the trick with a dual core i5 or i7? From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]mailto:[mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: recommendations on home server Your experience will be *way* better though with multiple spindles. I use 4x1T SATA RAID10 in my VM hosts and it works great. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Funny. For what I presume his purposes are (home lab, learning, testing, etc.), I would recommend a bunch of RAM and to not worry too much about disk I/O, RAID or CPU power. A regular PC with 12GB or 16GB RAM, an i5 or i7 CPU, and a decent SATA hard drive ought to do nicely for mucking about with the new toys from Microsoft. Also, why limit yourself to ESXi. Hyper-V server is free and works great on a large variety of hardware. On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.commailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Not to be the bearer of bad news, but raid/lots of power/low wattage and for 500 to 1000? I'd say not a chance. Any decent raid card (by decent I mean has a BBWC) will easily be in the 1000.00 range alone. In my opinion most setups I see are disc io bound, so if you can put money in mostly one place, thats where. From: Jimmy Tran [jt...@teachtci.commailto:jt...@teachtci.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: recommendations on home server I’m in need of a decent home server to run ESX-I to run SBS, W7 and some other test VM’s. My budget is preferably around $500-$1k. Looking for lots of processing power but low powered (if possible), RAID on the drives, decent amount of ram. Don’t know where to start….can someone recommend something? Jimmy ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
What are the specs of your machine if you don't mind me asking? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 7:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server I have 6 running on a HyperV host with only a mirrored array (RAID1, not 10), and the performance is fine. Yes, one of them is Exchange 2010. And only have 16GB on this host. The biggest key is RAM. If you have too little, then molasses will seem positively supersonic by comparison. I'd never turn down extra spindles for free, but if there is a budget constraint, then I'd favor RAM. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Joseph L Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Trying to run more than 3-4 r2 hosts with something like Exchange on all of them over 1 spindle is like auto racing Yugos. Sure, you can do it, but it doesn't impress anyone and it's not very fun to watch. From: Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Funny. For what I presume his purposes are (home lab, learning, testing, etc.), I would recommend a bunch of RAM and to not worry too much about disk I/O, RAID or CPU power. A regular PC with 12GB or 16GB RAM, an i5 or i7 CPU, and a decent SATA hard drive ought to do nicely for mucking about with the new toys from Microsoft. Also, why limit yourself to ESXi. Hyper-V server is free and works great on a large variety of hardware. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: recommendations on home server
RAM vs. SSDs From my perspective, I'm happy to spend the extra for some SSDs. For things like suspending/resuming/shutdown/rebooting VMs for patching, installing, testing - great time saver. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 10:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server I have 6 running on a HyperV host with only a mirrored array (RAID1, not 10), and the performance is fine. Yes, one of them is Exchange 2010. And only have 16GB on this host. The biggest key is RAM. If you have too little, then molasses will seem positively supersonic by comparison. I'd never turn down extra spindles for free, but if there is a budget constraint, then I'd favor RAM. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.commailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: Trying to run more than 3-4 r2 hosts with something like Exchange on all of them over 1 spindle is like auto racing Yugos. Sure, you can do it, but it doesn't impress anyone and it's not very fun to watch. From: Richard Stovall [rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: recommendations on home server Funny. For what I presume his purposes are (home lab, learning, testing, etc.), I would recommend a bunch of RAM and to not worry too much about disk I/O, RAID or CPU power. A regular PC with 12GB or 16GB RAM, an i5 or i7 CPU, and a decent SATA hard drive ought to do nicely for mucking about with the new toys from Microsoft. Also, why limit yourself to ESXi. Hyper-V server is free and works great on a large variety of hardware. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
