[nysbirds-l] Massapequa Preserve: Snipe, Red Neck Grebe, Hermit Thrush, Osprey, Screech Owls, etc

[Robert Taylor]

Hi Everyone,

Long story short, I searched the Preserve for 12 hours from Southern State
Parkway to Merrick Road and continued south to the bay finding 59 species.
Red Winged Blackbirds, Robins and Common Grackles were found throughout the
Preserve.
On the pond by Brady Park was the continuing Red Necked Grebe, an Osprey
catching a fish, a Muscovy and a few interesting looking domestic
Mallards.  There seemed to be a high concentration of woodpeckers on the
North end of the preserve by Linden Street.  Massapequa Lake had an
impressive number and variety of ducks and a Double-Crested Comorant.
Other highlights were a Hermit Thrush, Brown Headed Cowbirds, the red and
grey morph Screech Owls and Horned Grebes on the bay.
Signs of Spring were Skunk Cabbage and Spring Peepers.
Along with Mike and Michelle, 2 wonderful fellow birders, we found a
Wilson's Snipe right around sunset.

Good birding,
Rob in Massapequa
http://longislandbirding.blogspot.com/

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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[WilliamWatsonSr]

In Western New York Cinnamon Teal is accidental.  About twenty years  ago 
there was a report of about half a dozen at the Iroquois NWR, so I went to  
see these extraordinarily rare life birds. Before I got there they were all 
shot  by hunters.  At the time Art Clark requested one for the Buffalo 
Science  Museum collection.  It could not be done as none of the hunters were  
willing to donate a Cinnamon Teal. Why if birds are illegally shot are the 
birds  the sole property of the hunter that shot them.  Why are the hunters not 
 
fined. Why are they allowed to keep the bird.  If a hunter shoots a newly  
discovered last Ivory-billed Woodpecker (thinking is was a Mallard Duck) 
does  this mean he free sell this rare specimen for millions of dollars  
because he made a stupid mistake???   This makes no sense to  me...   I'm I 
missing something?  
 
Bill Watson
 
 
In a message dated 3/21/2014 2:06:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
patr...@qprocorp.com writes:

This is  just not true.  There have been instances of Whooping Cranes being 
killed  by Sandhill Crane hunters and Snow Goose hunters.  Thinking that 
ALL  hunters know EXACTLY what species they are shooting at when they pull the 
 trigger is simply not true.  There is plenty of history to refute your  
thought.
Sorry

-Original Message-
From:  bounce-113466175-13703...@list.cornell.edu  
[mailto:bounce-113466175-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Voisine,  
Matthew NAN02
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:38 AM
To: Glenn Wilson;  
Cc: Larry Federman; Will Raup; Stella Miller;  NYSBIRDS-L; Voisine, Matthew 
NAN02
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l]  Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats:  NONE

I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience  is 
hunters know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The  
conversation 
is beginning to criticize hunters unduly.

Whether they  know about something that they are not hunting is another 
story and not really  relevant

Matthew Voisine
Biologist
USACE- NY District
26  Federal Plaza
Room 2151
NY, NY 10278
917.790.8718  voice
702.271.0496 mobile
212.264.0961  fax
matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil


-Original  Message-
From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com]
Sent:  Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
To: 
Cc: Larry  Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller;  
NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release  (UNCLASSIFIED)

I'm curious how many hunters actually know the  difference between a crow 
(fish of American) and starling, red-winged BB,  Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd 
be surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try  yo differentiate these 
"black" birds. 


Glenn Wilson
Endicott,  NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM,   wrote:


Hi everyone:

While the  state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events 
is important,  laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY 
conservation community, it  if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto 
tomorrow, individual hunters  could still go out each and every day for seven 
months (Sept 1-March 31 as the  chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by 
Lynne 
Hertzog illustrates)   and shoot as many crows as they desire. 

Thus, if we want to provide  crows with complete protection we need to have 
state legislation introduced to  have American and Fish Crows classified as 
songbirds and to close the hunting  season for them or some other alternate 
approach.. 

John Turner  



- Original Message -
From: Larry Federman
Date:  Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l]  Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup ,  Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" 

>  Thanks, Matthew,
> It's moot at this point since the Press Release was  changed, but the 
> shoot is just outside the NYC watershed.
>  
> Larry Federman
> President, Northern Catskills Audubon
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Voisine, Matthew  NAN02
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
> To: Will Raup ;  Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
> Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Subject:  RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
> 
>  Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> I picked  up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. 
> However it is  a
> huge "typo".
> 
> However, if the hunt is happening on  lands that are owned by NYC, i.e. 
> the reservoirs? The statement is  appropriate.
> 
> 
> Matthew Voisine
>  Biologist
> USACE- NY District
> 26 Federal Plaza
> Room  2151
> NY, NY 10278
> 917.790.8718 voice
> 702.271.0496  mobile
> 212.264.0961 fax
> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:  bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu 
>  [mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Will  Raup
> Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
> To: Stella Miller;  NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [EXTERNAL]

[nysbirds-l] NYC Area RBA: 21 March 2014

[Gail Benson]

 *- *RBA
* New York
* New York City, Long Island, Westchester County
*Mar. 21, 2014
* NYNY1403.21

- Birds mentioned

SWALLOW-TAILED KITE+
(+ Details requested by NYSARC)

GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE
TUNDRA SWAN
Wood Duck
Harlequin Duck
RED-NECKED GREBE
Greater Yellowlegs
American Woodcock
Iceland Gull
Lesser Black-backed Gull
SNOWY OWL
RED-HEADED WOODPECKER
Eastern Phoebe
NORTHERN SHRIKE
Tree Swallow
LAPLAND LONGSPUR

If followed by (+) please submit documentation of your report
electronically and use the NYSARC online submission form found at
http://www.nybirds.org/NYSARC/goodreport.htm

You can also send reports and digital image files via email to
nysarc44nybirdsorg

If electronic submission is not possible, hardcopy reports and photos or
sketches are welcome. Hardcopy documentation should be mailed to:

Gary Chapin - Secretary
NYS Avian Records Committee (NYSARC)
125 Pine Springs Drive
Ticonderoga, NY 12883

Hotline: New York City Area Rare Bird Alert
Number: (212) 979-3070

Compiler: Tom Burke, Tony Lauro
Coverage: New York City, Long Island, Westchester County

Transcriber:  Gail Benson

[~BEGIN RBA TAPE~]

Greetings. This is the New York Rare Bird Alert for Friday, March 21, 2014
at 6:00 pm.  The highlights of today's tape are SWALLOW-TAILED KITE,
NORTHERN SHRIKE, SNOWY OWL, TUNDRA SWAN, GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE,
RED-NECKED GREBE, RED-HEADED WOODPECKER, and LAPLAND LONGSPUR.

With a small number of SWALLOW-TAILED KITES appearing in the northeast this
week it is very unfortunate that New York's was found deceased Thursday in
Quogue.

The NORTHERN SHRIKE was spotted again last Saturday at Jones Beach West End
near the swale in front of the West End 2 parking lot and also at West End
during the week were two lingering SNOWY OWLS, some TREE SWALLOWS, and
today two LAPLAND LONGSPURS in front of the Roosevelt Nature Center. That
area also provided an ICELAND GULL at Jones Beach Field 10 last Saturday
and four HARLEQUIN DUCKS continuing at the Point Lookout jetties on the
west side of Jones Inlet.

On Staten Island last Saturday two briefly seen TUNDRA SWANS were followed
by a GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSE on Arbutus Pond.  This pond, mostly
private, also hosted a variety of other waterfowl, indicative of the large
movement taking place recently.

Also noted at numerous locations have been RED-NECKED GREBES, some coming
into nice plumage.  Though usually at open water sites, some have also
visited and lingered on such bodies as Central Park Reservoir, Prospect
Park Lake, Massapequa Preserve just above the train station and Argyle Lake
in Babylon.

Despite the spring finally arriving, some SNOWY OWLS can still be found in
wintering areas.  And additional ICELAND GULLS included two still at
Shinnecock Inlet Saturday and one on Central Park Reservoir Tuesday.

A LESSER BLACK-BACKED GULL was still around Coney Island Creek in Brooklyn
today.  The RED-HEADED WOODPECKER wintering at Muttontown Preserve was seen
again Sunday.  Another has been wintering at a private residence in
Hauppauge. More WOOD DUCKS and EASTERN PHOEBES have been moving into the
area.  AMERICAN WOODCOCKS have been displaying at appropriate sites this
week.  And arriving GREATER YELLOWLEGS have also been noted.

If you have not yet signed the petition to restore the West Pond of Jamaica
Bay Wildlife Refuge, please do so, it will help.  The petition is on the
internet at http://tinyurl.com/west-pond-petition.  Thanks.

To phone in reports on Long Island, call Tony Lauro at (631) 734-4126, or
days except Sunday call Tom Burke at (212) 372-1483.

This service is sponsored by the Linnaean Society of New York and the
National Audubon Society. Thank you for calling.

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[nysbirds-l] Lesser Blk- b Gull Dune Rd Suffolk

[Mike]

A third year Lesser Black-backed Gull was roosting in the marshes along Dune Rd 
this morning in a flock of about 60 Herring Gulls. The bird was about a mile 
east of Tiana Beach- photo posted to NY Birders Facebook page. Eiders and 
scoters remain at Shinnecock, but I didn't happen to run into any white- winged 
gulls or Snowy Owls in my brief visit.

Mike Cooper
Ridge LI, 

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[nysbirds-l] LI south fork; crows

[d Futuyma]

I did something of a whirlwind tour of the South Fork today, befitting the 
strong winds that made viewing difficult in places.
At Sag Pond, the only birds of any note were a pair of Northern Pintail; no 
notable gulls were evident.
A single Snow Goose accompanied Canada's at Deep Hollow. A half-hour watch from 
the Montauk Point restaurant yielded thousands of Black and Surf Scoters but 
little else: 9 Common Eider, 2 Northern Gannet, Nd 1 Red-throated Loon.
At the several other Montauk-area sites, the only other notable sighting was a 
Snowy Owl on Hicks Island, seen from Lazy Point.
At Hook Pond in Easthampton, the Great Egret and 6 Canvasback that Bob Adamo 
reported yesterday, and 2 Red-necked Grebes, one in almost full breeding 
plumage, the other not. Two more Red-necked Grebes, likewise in very different 
plumage, were on Sam's Creek, seen from Job's Lane on the eastern approach to 
Mecox Bay.
Flocks of Canada Geese on Daniel's Lane and Cook's Lane (off Scuttlehole Road) 
Appeared unispecific, but may be worth checking in future. Short's Pond had 
only Ruddy and 2 Ring-necked Ducks.
An immature Iceland Gull flew past Shinnecock Inlet, and another was on the bay 
shore just east of Tiana.

Recent discussions of the scheduled Murder of American Crows led me to reflect 
on the greatly reduced abundance of this species in our area, probably caused 
partly by West Nile Virus. But that is surely not the only cause. For several 
years, there was a large winter roost along Rte 347 near Lake Grove, in which 
American Crows had been largely replaced by Fish Crows two winters ago. This 
winter, there was no roosting aggregation at all, nor any sign of crows heading 
toward an unknown roost in that region.  Like many birders, I usually make 
little effort to keep a daily tally of "common" species, including American 
Crow, but today I did keep an approximate count. From 6 a.m. To 5 p.m., 
covering 210 miles, I saw 190-210, of which about 2/3 were in small flocks 
moving from roosting to feeding areas in the early morning.  I'm sure that 10 
or 15 years ago, I would have seen several times that number. 
We should recognize, I think, that bird abundances are changing dramatically, 
and that we can play an important role in "citizen science" by helping to 
document these changes. We all know that some species that were rare 50 years 
ago in our area are now common (Northern Mockingbird, Red-bellied Woodpecker), 
but some species that we ignore because they are common may well become rare in 
the near future. (Consider American Kestrel.). Whether by Christmas Counts, 
e-bird entries, or other means, our data on Herring Gulls, American Crows, 
Black-capped Chickadees, and other "common" species may prove valuable in the 
future.

Doug Futuyma
Stony Brook

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[nysbirds-l] Emanuel Levine

[Shaibal Mitra]

With a heavy heart  I relate the passing of Emanuel Levine this morning. A 
stalwart of Long Island birding for more than seven decades, Manny bridged 
generations of birders and connected us 21st Century birders to the famous 
names of the pre-War era. His impacts as mentor, editor, compiler, pioneer of 
world birding, and unforgettable personality will come easily to mind to all 
who knew him.

Pat tells me that Mickey sounds strong, but then again, she always does.

I believe that a service will be held next Sunday, 30 March, and will post more 
information tomorrow.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore



The Campaign for CSI: For College and 
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[nysbirds-l] Hope springs eternal

[Jim Osterlund]

Herpetology, not ornithology, but relevant to the season;  Spring Peepers and 
Green Frogs are singing it up in Manorville Hills County Park, bringing hope of 
other song soon to follow.

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[nysbirds-l] Coney Island creek/Kings county

[Sean Sime]

I quick stop at CI Creek park yielded a Lesser black-backed Gull on the sandbar 
near the ball fields and a Common Raven was seen flying over Drier Offerman. 
A look at the beach from 35th street did not turn up anything of note.

Good birding,

Sean Sime
Brooklyn, NY

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[nysbirds-l] Van Cortlandt Park, Bronx, NYC 3/21

[Thomas Fiore]

Van Cortlandt Park, Bronx Co., N.Y. City - Friday, 21 March, 2014

Signs of spring at V.C. Park in mid-day included 6 Killdeer out on the  
Parade Ground ballfields, at least 5 Eastern Bluebirds (4 of them  
brilliant males) managing to hawk small insects at the s. slope of  
Vault Hill, a few Rusty Blackbirds in evidence around the s. end of  
the marsh, south of the VCP golf course (which was filled with  
golfers), and a plucky E. Phoebe staying low by the water's edge at  
the n. end of the lake... which had almost no waterfowl - I saw a  
scant few dozen Canada Geese come in, and then head off somewhere else  
soon after.

No signs yet of early spring flora (such as skunk cabbage) but there  
were a few turtles out (included Painted) & my first leps in the  
region this year, a Mourning Cloak butterfly & a few very small moths  
that I doubt l can ID from dim photos...

Good "spring-is-sprung" sightings,

Tom Fiore
Manhattan
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[nysbirds-l] Jones Beach

[syschiff]

Jones Beach West End 21 Mar

Joe Giunta and I (Sy Schiff) found the first full day of Spring sunny but 
windy. In keeping with the new season, for a change, there were a fair number 
of birds to look through, The lawns along the road were covered with American 
Robins and Red-winged Blackbirds and in places Killdeer..In the median there 
were a fair number of Yellow-rumped Warblers, as well as a considerably larger 
number than we have seen recently of the usual suspects, but nothing new.

While looking over the West End #2 swale from the east side of the concession 
building, we located a small group of HORNED LARKS. Continuing our scan of the 
dunes far beyond the swale, we picked up a distant SNOWY OWL and then the 
lingering NORTHERN SHRIKE.

In front of the the west side of the Nature Center parking lot at the first 
dune line, we counted 51 BLACK-BELLIED PLOVER. Scurrying in the vegetation in 
front of them were 2 LAPLAND LONGSPURS. Along the far dune line toward the 
west, we picked up a second SNOWY OWL.

Lots of much appreciated exercise on a lovely day; but all the good birds were 
all seen from the parking lots. Today a good scope trumped good walking shoes.

Sy

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RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Patrick Santinello]

This is just not true.  There have been instances of Whooping Cranes being 
killed by Sandhill Crane hunters and Snow Goose hunters.  Thinking that ALL 
hunters know EXACTLY what species they are shooting at when they pull the 
trigger is simply not true.  There is plenty of history to refute your thought.
Sorry

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From: bounce-113466175-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-113466175-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Voisine, 
Matthew NAN02
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:38 AM
To: Glenn Wilson; 
Cc: Larry Federman; Will Raup; Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L; Voisine, Matthew NAN02
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters 
know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is 
beginning to criticize hunters unduly.

Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story 
and not really relevant

Matthew Voisine
Biologist
USACE- NY District
26 Federal Plaza
Room 2151
NY, NY 10278
917.790.8718 voice
702.271.0496 mobile
212.264.0961 fax
matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil


-Original Message-
From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
To: 
Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow (fish 
of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd be 
surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these "black" 
birds. 


Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM,  wrote:


Hi everyone:

While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events is 
important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY conservation 
community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto tomorrow, 
individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven months (Sept 
1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by Lynne Hertzog 
illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire. 

Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
approach.. 

John Turner 



- Original Message -
From: Larry Federman
Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" 

> Thanks, Matthew,
> It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but the 
> shoot is just outside the NYC watershed.
> 
> Larry Federman
> President, Northern Catskills Audubon
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
> To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
> Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
> 
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. 
> However it is a
> huge "typo".
> 
> However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by NYC, i.e. 
> the reservoirs? The statement is appropriate.
> 
> 
> Matthew Voisine
> Biologist
> USACE- NY District
> 26 Federal Plaza
> Room 2151
> NY, NY 10278
> 917.790.8718 voice
> 702.271.0496 mobile
> 212.264.0961 fax
> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Will Raup
> Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
> To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> 
> Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", 
> means it will 
> be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York 
> State DEC, 
> otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will 
> just view 
> this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going 
> on north of 
> New York City.
> 
> The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after 
> that 
> particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use 
> that to their 
> advantage.
> 
> Will Raup
> Albany, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
> From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
> 
> 
> Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Stella
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything 
> cold, as holding 
> whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to 
> science to spread 
> the understan

Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Phil Uruburu]

Well stated Alicia.
Phil Uruburu

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 21, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Alicia Plotkin  wrote:
> 
> I agree completely with Mr. Voisine.  I don't know anyone who has 
> participated in one of these shooting contests, but where I live lots of 
> people hunt, and while they generally eat the venison or duck or turkey they 
> kill, they can perfectly well afford to go to the supermarket for their meat, 
> they don't need to hunt to eat.  It's a sport, and they definitely prefer 
> getting a 10 or 12 point buck to a 4 point one for the bragging rights.  But 
> this doesn't make them ignorant, crass, or otherwise violent people - they 
> love the outdoors and they pay attention to the birds and animals around 
> them, they just enjoy hunting and I don't think anyone should feel morally 
> superior to them unless they are a vegetarian.  Moreover, I would match their 
> knowledge of NYS wildlife with that of most people on this list.  They don't 
> know the Latin names, but they can point out the Scarlet Tanager nest and 
> notice when the cuckoos are back since they are out hunting turkeys then.  
> And please note they are not even necessarily members of the NRA or against 
> banning assault rifles.  
> 
> I know this email has gone very far afield from bird talk, but if people 
> understand hunters better, then this lobbying will be more likely to succeed. 
>  Many, probably most, hunters would not lift a finger in support this crow 
> shoot  - they probably won't be willing to speak out against it, but neither 
> would they actively support it - unless the discussion surrounding the 
> lobbying makes them feel like hunting and hunters more generally are being 
> disrespected.  So it would be helpful to understand that most hunters are in 
> fact people you would enjoy meeting and talking with - and definitely taking 
> a walk in the woods with - and your only dispute is with the few people who 
> want to have these competitive body count events.  You shouldn't think of 
> those people as hunters any more than you would think of the extremely 
> competitive people who think nothing of crossing onto private property to 
> twitch a rare bird as birders: technically you would be right in each case, 
> but that label would be pretty misleading.
> 
> Alicia
> 
> 
>> On 3/21/2014 11:38 AM, Voisine, Matthew NAN02 wrote:
>> I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters 
>> know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is 
>> beginning to criticize hunters unduly.
>> 
>> Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story 
>> and not really relevant
>> 
>> Matthew Voisine
>> Biologist
>> USACE- NY District
>> 26 Federal Plaza
>> Room 2151
>> NY, NY 10278
>> 917.790.8718 voice
>> 702.271.0496 mobile
>> 212.264.0961 fax
>> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
>> To: 
>> Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; 
>> NYSBIRDS-L
>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
>> 
>> I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow 
>> (fish of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd 
>> be surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these 
>> "black" birds. 
>> 
>> 
>> Glenn Wilson
>> Endicott, NY
>> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
>> 
>> On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM,  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone:
>> 
>> While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events 
>> is important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY 
>> conservation community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto 
>> tomorrow, individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven 
>> months (Sept 1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by 
>> Lynne Hertzog illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire. 
>> 
>> Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
>> state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
>> songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
>> approach.. 
>> 
>> John Turner 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Larry Federman 
>> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
>> To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L 
>> Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" 
>> 
>>> Thanks, Matthew,
>>> It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but 
>>> the shoot 
>>> is just outside the NYC watershed.
>>> 
>>> Larry Federman
>>> President, Northern Catskills Audubon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- 
>>> From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
>>> To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
>>> Cc: 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED) - SORRY! (thread had been closed ...)

[Alicia Plotkin]

Apologies, looks like this thread was closed before I posted!  So if you 
wish to respond, please contact me privately.

Best -

Alicia



On 3/21/2014 12:44 PM, Alicia Plotkin wrote:
> I agree completely with Mr. Voisine.  I don't know anyone who has 
> participated in one of these shooting contests, but where I live lots 
> of people hunt, and while they generally eat the venison or duck or 
> turkey they kill, they can perfectly well afford to go to the 
> supermarket for their meat, they don't need to hunt to eat. It's a 
> sport, and they definitely prefer getting a 10 or 12 point buck to a 4 
> point one for the bragging rights.  But this doesn't make them 
> ignorant, crass, or otherwise violent people - they love the outdoors 
> and they pay attention to the birds and animals around them, they just 
> enjoy hunting and I don't think anyone should feel morally superior to 
> them unless they are a vegetarian.  Moreover, I would match their 
> knowledge of NYS wildlife with that of most people on this list.  They 
> don't know the Latin names, but they can point out the Scarlet Tanager 
> nest and notice when the cuckoos are back since they are out hunting 
> turkeys then.  And please note they are not even necessarily members 
> of the NRA or against banning assault rifles.
>
> I know this email has gone very far afield from bird talk, but if 
> people understand hunters better, then this lobbying will be more 
> likely to succeed.  Many, probably most, hunters would not lift a 
> finger in support this crow shoot  - they probably won't be willing to 
> speak out against it, but neither would they actively support it /- 
> unless/ the discussion surrounding the lobbying makes them feel like 
> hunting and hunters more generally are being disrespected.  So it 
> would be helpful to understand that most hunters are in fact people 
> you would enjoy meeting and talking with - and definitely taking a 
> walk in the woods with - and your only dispute is with the few people 
> who want to have these competitive body count events.  You shouldn't 
> think of those people as hunters any more than you would think of the 
> extremely competitive people who think nothing of crossing onto 
> private property to twitch a rare bird as birders: technically you 
> would be right in each case, but that label would be pretty misleading.
>
> Alicia
>
>
> On 3/21/2014 11:38 AM, Voisine, Matthew NAN02 wrote:
>> I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters 
>> know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is 
>> beginning to criticize hunters unduly.
>>
>> Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story 
>> and not really relevant
>>
>> Matthew Voisine
>> Biologist
>> USACE- NY District
>> 26 Federal Plaza
>> Room 2151
>> NY, NY 10278
>> 917.790.8718 voice
>> 702.271.0496 mobile
>> 212.264.0961 fax
>> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com]
>> Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
>> To:
>> Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; 
>> NYSBIRDS-L
>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow 
>> (fish of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd 
>> be surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these 
>> "black" birds.
>>
>>
>> Glenn Wilson
>> Endicott, NY
>> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
>>
>> On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone:
>>
>> While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events 
>> is important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY 
>> conservation community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto 
>> tomorrow, individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven 
>> months (Sept 1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by 
>> Lynne Hertzog illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire.
>>
>> Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
>> state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
>> songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
>> approach..
>>
>> John Turner
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Larry Federman
>> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
>> To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L
>> Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02"
>>
>>> Thanks, Matthew,
>>> It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but
>>> the shoot
>>> is just outside the NYC watershed.
>>>
>>> Larry Federman
>>> President, Northern Catskills Audubon
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
>>> To: Will Raup ; 

Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Alicia Plotkin]

I agree completely with Mr. Voisine.  I don't know anyone who has 
participated in one of these shooting contests, but where I live lots of 
people hunt, and while they generally eat the venison or duck or turkey 
they kill, they can perfectly well afford to go to the supermarket for 
their meat, they don't need to hunt to eat. It's a sport, and they 
definitely prefer getting a 10 or 12 point buck to a 4 point one for the 
bragging rights.  But this doesn't make them ignorant, crass, or 
otherwise violent people - they love the outdoors and they pay attention 
to the birds and animals around them, they just enjoy hunting and I 
don't think anyone should feel morally superior to them unless they are 
a vegetarian.  Moreover, I would match their knowledge of NYS wildlife 
with that of most people on this list.  They don't know the Latin names, 
but they can point out the Scarlet Tanager nest and notice when the 
cuckoos are back since they are out hunting turkeys then.  And please 
note they are not even necessarily members of the NRA or against banning 
assault rifles.

I know this email has gone very far afield from bird talk, but if people 
understand hunters better, then this lobbying will be more likely to 
succeed.  Many, probably most, hunters would not lift a finger in 
support this crow shoot  - they probably won't be willing to speak out 
against it, but neither would they actively support it /- unless/ the 
discussion surrounding the lobbying makes them feel like hunting and 
hunters more generally are being disrespected.  So it would be helpful 
to understand that most hunters are in fact people you would enjoy 
meeting and talking with - and definitely taking a walk in the woods 
with - and your only dispute is with the few people who want to have 
these competitive body count events.  You shouldn't think of those 
people as hunters any more than you would think of the extremely 
competitive people who think nothing of crossing onto private property 
to twitch a rare bird as birders: technically you would be right in each 
case, but that label would be pretty misleading.

Alicia


On 3/21/2014 11:38 AM, Voisine, Matthew NAN02 wrote:
> I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters 
> know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is 
> beginning to criticize hunters unduly.
>
> Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story 
> and not really relevant
>
> Matthew Voisine
> Biologist
> USACE- NY District
> 26 Federal Plaza
> Room 2151
> NY, NY 10278
> 917.790.8718 voice
> 702.271.0496 mobile
> 212.264.0961 fax
> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
> To:
> Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; 
> NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow 
> (fish of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd 
> be surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these 
> "black" birds.
>
>
> Glenn Wilson
> Endicott, NY
> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
>
> On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM,  wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events is 
> important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY conservation 
> community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto tomorrow, 
> individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven months 
> (Sept 1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by Lynne 
> Hertzog illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire.
>
> Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
> state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
> songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
> approach..
>
> John Turner
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Larry Federman
> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
> To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L
> Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02"
>
>> Thanks, Matthew,
>> It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but
>> the shoot
>> is just outside the NYC watershed.
>>
>> Larry Federman
>> President, Northern Catskills Audubon
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
>> To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
>> Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
>> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
>>
>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>> Caveats: NONE
>>
>> I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything.
>> However it is a
>> huge "typo".
>>
>> However, if the hunt is happening on lands t

Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Hugh McGuinness]

Sometimes I wonder if birders know what black birds they are looking at:
remember the Boat-tailed Grackle versus Rusty Blackbird discussion of a few
weeks ago. [?]

Hugh


On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Voisine, Matthew NAN02 <
matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil> wrote:

> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is
> hunters know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The
> conversation is beginning to criticize hunters unduly.
>
> Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another
> story and not really relevant
>
> Matthew Voisine
> Biologist
> USACE- NY District
> 26 Federal Plaza
> Room 2151
> NY, NY 10278
> 917.790.8718 voice
> 702.271.0496 mobile
> 212.264.0961 fax
> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
> To: 
> Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller;
> NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow
> (fish of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd
> be surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these
> "black" birds.
>
>
> Glenn Wilson
> Endicott, NY
> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
>
> On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM,  wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events
> is important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY
> conservation community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto
> tomorrow, individual hunters could still go out each and every day for
> seven months (Sept 1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs.
> provided by Lynne Hertzog illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they
> desire.
>
> Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have
> state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as
> songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate
> approach..
>
> John Turner
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Larry Federman
> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
> To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L
> Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02"
>
> > Thanks, Matthew,
> > It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but
> > the shoot
> > is just outside the NYC watershed.
> >
> > Larry Federman
> > President, Northern Catskills Audubon
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
> > To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
> > Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
> >
> > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> > Caveats: NONE
> >
> > I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything.
> > However it is a
> > huge "typo".
> >
> > However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by
> > NYC, i.e. the
> > reservoirs? The statement is appropriate.
> >
> >
> > Matthew Voisine
> > Biologist
> > USACE- NY District
> > 26 Federal Plaza
> > Room 2151
> > NY, NY 10278
> > 917.790.8718 voice
> > 702.271.0496 mobile
> > 212.264.0961 fax
> > matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu
> > [mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of
> > Will Raup
> > Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
> > To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> >
> > Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC",
> > means it will
> > be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York
> > State DEC,
> > otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will
> > just view
> > this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going
> > on north of
> > New York City.
> >
> > The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after
> > that
> > particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use
> > that to their
> > advantage.
> >
> > Will Raup
> > Albany, NY
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
> > From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> > To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
> >
> >
> > Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Stella
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything
> > cold, as holding
> > whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to
> > science to spread
> > the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
> > people, it
> > is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas
> > Lovejoy--
> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
> >

[nysbirds-l] ADMIN: Hunting Thread - Cease

[Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes]

Please discontinue the conversation about hunters. If someone would like to 
make periodic single postings to update the status on the Crow Hunt 
legislation, that's fine. But, when we start delving into blame-games and 
pitting hunters against non-hunters, the conversation metaphorically derails. 
It has gotten to that point. Please take further threads of this nature offline.

Thank you!

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

Listowner, NYSbirds-L
Ithaca, NY

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RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Voisine, Matthew NAN02]

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters 
know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is 
beginning to criticize hunters unduly.

Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story 
and not really relevant

Matthew Voisine
Biologist
USACE- NY District
26 Federal Plaza
Room 2151
NY, NY 10278
917.790.8718 voice
702.271.0496 mobile
212.264.0961 fax
matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil


-Original Message-
From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
To: 
Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow (fish 
of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd be 
surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these "black" 
birds. 


Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM,  wrote:


Hi everyone:

While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events is 
important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY conservation 
community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto tomorrow, 
individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven months (Sept 
1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by Lynne Hertzog 
illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire. 

Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
approach.. 

John Turner 



- Original Message -
From: Larry Federman 
Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L 
Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" 

> Thanks, Matthew,
> It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but 
> the shoot 
> is just outside the NYC watershed.
> 
> Larry Federman
> President, Northern Catskills Audubon
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
> To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
> Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
> 
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. 
> However it is a 
> huge "typo".
> 
> However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by 
> NYC, i.e. the 
> reservoirs? The statement is appropriate.
> 
> 
> Matthew Voisine
> Biologist
> USACE- NY District
> 26 Federal Plaza
> Room 2151
> NY, NY 10278
> 917.790.8718 voice
> 702.271.0496 mobile
> 212.264.0961 fax
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Will Raup
> Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
> To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> 
> Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", 
> means it will 
> be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York 
> State DEC, 
> otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will 
> just view 
> this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going 
> on north of 
> New York City.
> 
> The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after 
> that 
> particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use 
> that to their 
> advantage.
> 
> Will Raup
> Albany, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
> From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
> 
> 
> Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Stella
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything 
> cold, as holding 
> whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to 
> science to spread 
> the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or 
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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Glenn Wilson]

I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow (fish 
of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd be 
surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these "black" 
birds. 

Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM,  wrote:

Hi everyone:

While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events is 
important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY conservation 
community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto tomorrow, 
individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven months (Sept 
1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by Lynne Hertzog 
illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire. 

Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
approach.. 

John Turner 


- Original Message -
From: Larry Federman 
Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L 
Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" 

> Thanks, Matthew,
> It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but 
> the shoot 
> is just outside the NYC watershed.
> 
> Larry Federman
> President, Northern Catskills Audubon
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
> To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
> Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
> 
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. 
> However it is a 
> huge "typo".
> 
> However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by 
> NYC, i.e. the 
> reservoirs? The statement is appropriate.
> 
> 
> Matthew Voisine
> Biologist
> USACE- NY District
> 26 Federal Plaza
> Room 2151
> NY, NY 10278
> 917.790.8718 voice
> 702.271.0496 mobile
> 212.264.0961 fax
> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Will Raup
> Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
> To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> 
> Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", 
> means it will 
> be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York 
> State DEC, 
> otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will 
> just view 
> this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going 
> on north of 
> New York City.
> 
> The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after 
> that 
> particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use 
> that to their 
> advantage.
> 
> Will Raup
> Albany, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
> From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
> 
> 
> Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Stella
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything 
> cold, as holding 
> whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to 
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[nysbirds-l] FW: Bird Studies Canada: Bird and Amphibian Marsh Survey Routes are available in New York

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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[redknot]

Hi everyone:

While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events is 
important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY conservation 
community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto tomorrow, 
individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven months (Sept 
1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by Lynne Hertzog 
illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire. 

Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
approach.. 

John Turner 


- Original Message -
From: Larry Federman 
Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L 
Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" 

> Thanks, Matthew,
> It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but 
> the shoot 
> is just outside the NYC watershed.
> 
> Larry Federman
> President, Northern Catskills Audubon
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
> To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
> Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
> 
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. 
> However it is a 
> huge "typo".
> 
> However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by 
> NYC, i.e. the 
> reservoirs? The statement is appropriate.
> 
> 
> Matthew Voisine
> Biologist
> USACE- NY District
> 26 Federal Plaza
> Room 2151
> NY, NY 10278
> 917.790.8718 voice
> 702.271.0496 mobile
> 212.264.0961 fax
> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Will Raup
> Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
> To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> 
> Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", 
> means it will 
> be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York 
> State DEC, 
> otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will 
> just view 
> this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going 
> on north of 
> New York City.
> 
> The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after 
> that 
> particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use 
> that to their 
> advantage.
> 
> Will Raup
> Albany, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
> From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
> 
> 
> Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Stella
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything 
> cold, as holding 
> whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to 
> science to spread 
> the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or 
> people, it 
> is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas 
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[Larry Federman]

Thanks, Matthew,
It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but the shoot 
is just outside the NYC watershed.


Larry Federman
President, Northern Catskills Audubon


-Original Message- 
From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. However it is a 
huge "typo".


However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by NYC, i.e. the 
reservoirs? The statement is appropriate.



Matthew Voisine
Biologist
USACE- NY District
26 Federal Plaza
Room 2151
NY, NY 10278
917.790.8718 voice
702.271.0496 mobile
212.264.0961 fax
matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil


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From: bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Will Raup

Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release

Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", means it will 
be ignored.  It should be edited immediately to say New York State DEC, 
otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will just view 
this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going on north of 
New York City.


The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after that 
particular sentence.  And you can bet the opposition will use that to their 
advantage.


Will Raup
Albany, NY




Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu


Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.


Thanks,


Stella




"Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as holding 
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[nysbirds-l] Central Park, NYC 3/21

[Thomas Fiore]

Friday, 21 March, 2014  -  Central Park, Manhattan, N.Y. City

The RED-NECKED GREBE continues on the reservoir, seen at ~ 8:30 a.m.  
sleeping, drifting, preening off the N. Pumphouse. A drake American  
Wigeon was again near the SE edge; a pair of Red-breasted Mergansers  
were seen swimming together. The number of Ruddy Ducks had grown to at  
least 5, and another was at the Meer, where there were also a drake  
Wood Duck and a pair of Hooded Mergansers.  Additional Wood Ducks  
continued at the reservoir, & the lake, & there were at least 3 Double- 
crested Cormorants at the lake, where an adult Black-crowned Night- 
Heron was again roosting on the west side of the Point.  I did not  
pass the feeders.  There were again "red" Fox Sparrows around, some  
singing.  American Woodcocks continue in a number of areas, as they  
have for a few weeks now.


Good birding,

Tom Fiore
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Re:[nysbirds-l] Keep your eyes to the sky

[Thomas Fiore]

Also in nearby states, reports came through to the state lists of this  
species from March 12 in New Jersey & Massachusetts, and again on  
March 15 in each of those states, and a March 17 report from  
Nantucket, MA. All seen in flight.

Also a photographed (live) one at Eastern Neck NWR, Kent Co, MD  
(Maryland) on March 14.  And the expected reports from much farther  
south in the past 3 weeks - Florida & so on.

Tom Fiore
Manhattan
__
On Mar 21, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Hugh McGuinness wrote:

> I received a photo from a friend of a SWALLOW-TAILED KITE that was  
> found dead today (20 March) in Quogue (Suffolk Co.). Argh!
>
> Hugh
>
> -- 
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> Washington, D.C.


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