date:20120927

FC,

I'm not familiar with Base, so did not capture in this iteration of the
survey questions.

Would you be able to contribute this section?

Thoughts?

Regards,
Kevin



On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:44 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:

 2012/9/27 F C. Costero fjcc.apa...@gmail.com

  Why the complete absence of Base in the survey? On the en and es
  forums I see a lot more traffic concerning Base than Impress. Here are
  the number of topics (in thousands) in the various sub forums for en,
  es and fr
 

 Good point! Indeed, Base is at third place on all forums but JA and ZH,
 after Writer and Calc: Impress is far behind.

 Regards
 Ricardo



  EN
  Writer 12.4
  Calc  9.4
  Impress 1.8
  Base 5.0
 
  FR
  Writer 6.0
  Calc  6.7
  Impress 1.2
  Base 3.4
 
  ES
  Writer 1.4
  Calc  1.5
  Impress 0.2
  Base 1.0
 
  Obviously, questions on a forum do not equate to the number of users.
  Maybe Base just generates more questions and problems. But I think
  this provides some evidence that Base is not less active than Impress.
  Francis
 
  On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Kevin Grignon
  kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hello All,
  
   I've captured a series of questions for inclusion in an upcoming AOO
   survey. The questions are intended to help us understand which features
  and
   capabilities are most frequently used in the editors. Insight from this
   survey will help us focus our attention on core task, and help
 prioritize
   future effort.
  
   I've captured the questions in a spreadsheet. Please visit the UX wiki
 to
   download and review the questions.
  
   *AOO Survey Templates - Task Prioritization*
  
 
 http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Survey_Templates_-_Task_Prioritization
  
   These questions, along with others, will be included in re-usable
  question
   packages that can be deployed in LimeSurvey, our new survey tooling. I
  will
   send out a note on the LimeSurvey effort soon.
  
   Regards,
   Kevin

Re: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community

KG01 - See comments inline.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi.

 On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  1) Create a new mailing list:  ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or
  app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer).  I'll assert that the
  current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to
  thrive.  If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99%
  irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be
  disruptive to the end-user subscribers there.  Extension authors
  really are a distinct sub-community of their own.

 I agree.

 Demand for emails here on ooo-dev is great, a specific list for
 API/extension will be better.

  2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means:  website, social
  networking, maybe a blog post.
 
  3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to
  joint the list.  I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since
  they might already have the means to send them all an email.
 
  4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of
  extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our
  website featuring an extension of the week (or day).


KG01 - I say will integrate the extension experience within the editors.
Start pages and docked task panes could promote extensions and drive
traffic to extension marketplace/downloadplace/place where we keep them ;)
Furthermore, we could create an integrated extension manager that actually
allows users to browse, select and enable extensions, just like an iTunes
app store or the Evernote trunk. The goal would be to keep users in the AOO
tools and bring the extensions to them - on demand. This would scale well
to support any effort to reduce the footprint and surface advanced
capabilites via extensions.


 
  5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and
  help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and
  wiki.

 Yeah!

 We need listing more users. (:

  I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well.

 Me.

 Albino

Re: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community

2012-09-27 Thread Jürgen Schmidt

On 9/27/12 3:22 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
 KG01 - See comments inline.
 
 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote:
 
 Hi.

 On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 1) Create a new mailing list:  ooo-extensi...@incubator.apache.org (or
 app...@incubator.apache.org if we prefer).  I'll assert that the
 current mailing lists are inadequate for encouraging this community to
 thrive.  If they interact on ooo-dev then they are bombarded with 99%
 irrelevant posts, and if they gather on ooo-users then this will be
 disruptive to the end-user subscribers there.  Extension authors
 really are a distinct sub-community of their own.

 I agree.

 Demand for emails here on ooo-dev is great, a specific list for
 API/extension will be better.

 2) Promote the mailing list via the usual means:  website, social
 networking, maybe a blog post.

 3) Try to contact the existing extension authors, to encourage them to
 joint the list.  I'd try to do this via SourceForge initially, since
 they might already have the means to send them all an email.

 4) Promote AOO extension development in general, by interviews of
 extension authors, blog posts, perhaps even a rotating spot on our
 website featuring an extension of the week (or day).

 
 KG01 - I say will integrate the extension experience within the editors.
 Start pages and docked task panes could promote extensions and drive
 traffic to extension marketplace/downloadplace/place where we keep them ;)
 Furthermore, we could create an integrated extension manager that actually
 allows users to browse, select and enable extensions, just like an iTunes
 app store or the Evernote trunk. The goal would be to keep users in the AOO
 tools and bring the extensions to them - on demand. This would scale well
 to support any effort to reduce the footprint and surface advanced
 capabilites via extensions.

That was the initial idea of us when we started with the extension
manager. It's still on a my wish list together with a smoother
integration of the template repository. Easy navigating online
templates, bookmark them, download them for offline usage etc.

And both repo's would be configurable for enterprise internal usage,
means internal repo's and no public ones.

Juergen


 
 

 5) Encourage this community to provide feedback to the project and
 help maintain the current app dev and SDK documentation, website and
 wiki.

 Yeah!

 We need listing more users. (:

 I'll need a couple more list moderator volunteers as well.

 Me.

 Albino

Re: [proposed PMC] call for feedback: Are you willing to serve as a PMC member?

2012-09-27 Thread Yong Lin Ma

I'm willing to serve on the PMC.


On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
arie...@apache.org wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:37:23AM +0200, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
 Hi,

 this is a call for feedback to the people who are (currently) on the
 proposed PMC list.
 Please provide feedback, if you are willing to serve as a PMC member.

 The current (copied from initial post of thread [1]) proposed PMC list is:

 Proposed Working List:
 
Andre Fischer (af)
Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
Andrew Rist (arist)
Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)

 I'm willing to serve.


 Regards
 --
 Ariel Constenla-Haile
 La Plata, Argentina



-- 
Regards

Yong Lin Ma

Marketing and traveling expenses

Hi I was asked about the use of funds regarding marketing events, speakers
and such. I want to know how does Apache manage funds for this operations?
Back in the OOo days, there was a marketing funds that came from donations,
and help subsidize traveling and some swag expenses (tshirt, pins,
stickers).

Is there any documentation on this that I can forward people to?

Regards.

-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Marketing and traveling expenses

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 Hi I was asked about the use of funds regarding marketing events, speakers
 and such. I want to know how does Apache manage funds for this operations?
 Back in the OOo days, there was a marketing funds that came from donations,
 and help subsidize traveling and some swag expenses (tshirt, pins,
 stickers).

 Is there any documentation on this that I can forward people to?


For ApacheCon, there is the Travel Assistance Committee (TAC).
Information is here: http://www.apache.org/travel/

You can also point them to the email lists for ApacheCon and Small
Events:  http://events.apache.org/involved/mailing-lists.html

My understanding is events aim to be self-funding, via sponsorship and
attendance fees.

 Regards.

 --
 Alexandro Colorado
 PPMC Apache OpenOffice
 http://es.openoffice.org

Re: build svtools and sw with debug

2012-09-27 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann


Hi,

On 27.09.2012 16:11, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hi Pedro, *

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 08:47:31AM -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Please note that many people did Windows (and linux and MacOSX)
builds just fine with the new boost. There was a problem similar to the
one recently reported that was fixed by orw@ but, from what we
discussed, there was no need to revert the boost update (and yes, I
did offer to revert it then).


The solution provided by Oliver removed the header, and the use of the
boost smart pointer with it, it helped to go on with the build, just
like Armin's solution; but the build still breaks in sw in a PRO build
with DEBUG=yes. So the problem is still there, and started
coincidentally with boost update. It looks like the only way to know if
this was a coincide, or the root cause, is to revert in a local build
the boost update, build a PRO version, and see if building with
debugging symbols sw breaks or not.




I can confirm that an PRO build (_not_ using configure option --enable-dbgutil) 
with DEBUG=yes breaks in module sw.
To fix this build breaker you need to add link library stl into library swd - a 
similar change as the one which Armin made in module svtools.


I NON-PRO build (using configure option --enable-dbgutil) without DEBUG works 
fine.

I had just started a NON-PRO build with DEBUG=yes - I will provide the build 
results later.



Best regards, Oliver.

Re: build svtools with debug

2012-09-27 Thread Pedro Giffuni

Hi Ariel and others,

 From: Ariel Constenla-Haile
...
 
 The solution provided by Oliver removed the header, and the use of the
 boost smart pointer with it, it helped to go on with the build, just
 like Armin's solution; but the build still breaks in sw in a PRO build
 with DEBUG=yes. So the problem is still there, and started
 coincidentally with boost update. It looks like the only way to know if
 this was a coincide, or the root cause, is to revert in a local build
 the boost update, build a PRO version, and see if building with
 debugging symbols sw breaks or not.


Both issues appear to be linking related.

What I am finding lately is that the build system is very
fragile: it mostly works but will fail if you want to exercise it.

On FreeBSD, at least:

- the build fails if we try to build it with the system-jpeg.
- the build doesn't detect httpclient
- the option to build the lgpl libwpd doesn't build writerperfect.
- Using system icu will break the build.

Not to mention the patches we carry locally.

I am afraid the problem is starting to take time from doing real
fixes (oh yes there are still issues building with jdk7) and
enhancements so I think I will be moving to the buildsys
branch and focus on the build system.

Pedro.

Re: mWiki logo design

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:35 AM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote:

 On 2012/09/27 17:25, Alexandro Colorado said:
  Hi I worked on the updated header of the mWiki site with the current
 Apache
  OO Logo including the gull symbols and the correct integration with the
  gradient background. Anyone can help me out understand how to commit this
  to the mWiki site, AFAIK this is not on the svn since is a service.
  I added an issue with the images assigned to the www-website category:
  https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121107

 OK.  I have updated it.  Please check if it works. ^_*'



Works great, I have closed the issue.
Regards.



 Also issue tracker administrator please close #121107, alone with
 #121131. ^_*'  Thanks.

 
  I also have 2 types of approaches about using CSS to design the logo as
  opposed to be just a rasterized sequence of images.


 --
 Best regards,
 imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw
 PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc

 Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
 Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
 Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
 Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
 EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
 Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/




-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:


 On Sep 26, 2012, at 4:23 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

 
 
  On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
 
  On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
 
  Should we have a webdev list?
 
  We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
 
 
  In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
  I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
  work on redesign start growing.
 
  Generally everything should be here.
 
 
  Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
  currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
  office productivity.
 
  Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
  design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
  the CMS.
 
  Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
  with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
  headers and footers.
 
  oh -- OK
 
  I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/
 
 
  Right now, I have some recent mods in
 
  http://www.openoffice.org/test/
 
  to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put constant items
 we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand column.
 
  We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I
 am working on index.html which I hope to finish up and put into
 production soon, that new designs be given some different name, along with
 alternative names for the basic style sheets.
 
  [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the
 social area. I can not get this line to move over to align with the one
 above AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS
 guru! ]

 div class=action-social-extra
 a href=https://twitter.com/apacheoo/;
 emTwitter/em/a, a href=
 https://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668/about
 emGoogle+/em/a,
 a 
 href=https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/;emFacebook/em/a
 and a href=https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/;emFacebook
 group/em/a.
 /div

 Put a p /p inside the div

 div class=action-social-extrap
 a href=https://twitter.com/apacheoo/;
 emTwitter/em/a, a href=
 https://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668/about
 emGoogle+/em/a,
 a 
 href=https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/;emFacebook/em/a
 and a href=https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/;emFacebook
 group/em/a.
 /p/div


Thanks for the suggestion. When I did that (yesterday), it aligned
correctly but wiped out the colored links. I'll try again. Given that this
page was originally designed with the styling to do all sorts of things
that it is no longer doing, I'm thinking the styling could be simplified at
this point.



 
 
  - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
  different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
  could help our users browse through the site.
 
  yes...another reason to make changes
 
 
  Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
  tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
  to the dimensions of the browser.
 
  That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
 columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.

 When they are pixel widths then they automatically stack. - good for a
 handheld.

 And that is the point!


Well...OK...I didn't like the right column dropping under. I will start the
wiki page today. I'm sure others have many good ideas on what would be good
at this point.


 Regards,
 Dave


 
 
  - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
  own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
  the templates/extension/wiki site.
 
  The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
  ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
  harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
 
  - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
  frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
 
  Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
 
  Regards, Dave
 
 
 
  On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
  On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk
  kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
  With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
  to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
  http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.
 
  To this end, I've moved some entities to the test
  directory, and
  updated
  robots.txt to not index this directory.
 
  I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
  with
  horizontal
  placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
  well.

Re: Call for comments: Webpage for Listing OpenOffice Consultants

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
see inline below...

On 09/26/2012 02:25 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com
wrote:

Still suggesting some sort of expiration mechanism (perhaps a
timestamp in the entry, with a scheduled job to prune), so this
doesn't become a barnacle colony.

One policy might be that once a year (or quarter or whatever) we
verify that the listed homepage and email address are still valid.
Ones that fail are removed. Of course they could be re-added if the
resubmitted. This is an easy-enough task if we have a listing of 20
consultants. Less so with 200. Maybe could be automated.

Dennis will like this. Just thought of a poka-yoke approach to
identifying obsolete listings. Simply require that the logo be hosted
by the listed company. That way, if the company moves on, there is a
good chance that the image link will break as well and this will be
obvious when looking at the listings.

Yes, this is a very good idea!

Auto-expiration could work as well, but we'd probably want to automate
a reminder courtesy note.

This is not something we need to decide right now, except maybe to say
in the submission policy document that listings may be deleted if they
cease to be relevant, e.g., contact information becomes invalid, etc.

Don

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

Another one of those larger ecosystem things I'll be pushing on.

If you recall the legacy OpenOffice.org project had a webpage that
listed various consultants who provided services for OpenOffice. We
took it down because it was very out of date and we didn't have time
(at that time) to figure out the policy implications and update the
content. Well guess what? I have time now.

A draft of a proposed approach is on the wiki here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Draft+--+Apache+OpenOffice+Consultants+Directory

I'm working on the XSLT script now. Looking good so far.

If you read the wiki you'll see the policy implications are minimal:
We'll be fair and accept all relevant submitted listings, provided
they don't abuse ASF trademarks, I don't think we need more than
that, but adding more is certainly easy enough.

Note also the disclaimer on the wiki, which I'll repeat here. As a
non-profit we need to be careful about how we intersect with
commercial activities. I think this is sufficient, but changes are
easy to make.

Disclaimer: Although most individual users are able to download
and
use Apache OpenOffice without any help, or with the assistance of
volunteers on our Forums and mailing lists, some users, especially
corporate users, may have more complex requirements that require
commercial services in order to optimize their deployments. The
following individuals and firms offer services that may be of
interest. The information provided here was provided by the
entities
named here, and is not verified or endorsed by the Apache OpenOffice
project. We offer these listings as a service to the ecosystem.

If there are no objections to this general approach, I'll proceed as
follows:

1) Write up a definition of the requirements for the input XML file.
XML Schema and plain English definition, for use by consultants
submitting us listings

2) Draft a webpage giving info on how consultants can submit a
listing. Would list technical and policy requirements.

3) Complete XSLT scripts and get them checked in.

4) Get this all onto the website into a test directory for review.
Perhaps we seed it with initial data from project members who provide
services, so we have something at launch time other than fake data.

5) Once approved, we go live. The legacy project buried this under
the support page, but I think we should offer a more prominent
location, perhaps a link on the home page.

Why do you think this is desirable? Yeah, I remember we had this under a
Commercial Support heading or something like that on the Support
page.

In general I think our current support page is confusing and
unhelpful. Too much text on one page and outdated, broken links.
I bet 99% of the visitors to this page are looking for a short list of
items, like support forum or documentation. I count 53 links on that
page, and that ignores the navigation links. Adding a 54th link for
consultants would condemn that page to perpetual obscurity,

OK. We should definitely clean this up if this is the case. Early on, I
had tested out some of the links, and most were still working. This may no
longer be the case.

Maybe augmenting the current Help link (3rd down) with some

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:


 On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

  Should we have a webdev list?


 We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.


 In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
 I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
 work on redesign start growing.


 Generally everything should be here.


 Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
 currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
 office productivity.


 Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
 design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
 the CMS.

 Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
 with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
 headers and footers.


 oh -- OK

 I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/


 Right now, I have some recent mods in

 http://www.openoffice.org/test/

 to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put constant items
 we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand column.

 We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I am
 working on index.html which I hope to finish up and put into production
 soon, that new designs be given some different name, along with alternative
 names for the basic style sheets.

 [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the social
 area. I can not get this line to move over to align with the one above
 AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS guru! ]


I think the fact that you are no longer using a p tag is what makes it
loose the inherit style. You have p/pdiv ...Twitter, Google+/div.





  - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
 different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
 could help our users browse through the site.


 yes...another reason to make changes



 Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
 tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
 to the dimensions of the browser.


 That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
 columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.



  - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
 own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
 the templates/extension/wiki site.


 The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
 ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
 harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.

  - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
 frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.


 Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.

 Regards, Dave



 On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
 wrote:

  On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk
 kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
 to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
 http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.

 To this end, I've moved some entities to the test
 directory, and

 updated

 robots.txt to not index this directory.

 I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
 with

 horizontal

 placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
 well.

 Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
 graphic

 mockups of

 ideas.


 Good topic to bring up.

 With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
 websites. www.openoffice.org, of course.  But also our project
 website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
 mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --
 d...@openoffice.apache.org.  Our subversion tree changes as
 well.  Ditto for Apache dist directory.

 So that leads to several sets of website changes:

 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove incubator
 disclaimer and references.  There was talk at one point about
 refreshing the logo design at this time as well.

 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
 references.  There may be others.  This is pretty much a search
  replace operation.

 3) Any work to freshen the website UI.  IMHO it is always a
 good time to improve the website ;-)


 I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font
 on the website.  Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's
 website, which uses OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):

 http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/

 http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans

 To me this is much more legible than our current font
 (Liberation?)


 I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
 graduate, and I thought we were planning on

Re: [DISCUSS]: AOO 3.4.1 reflection and lessons learned

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 AOO 3.4.1 was our second release and I would like to do some reflection
 of the past and especially the hot phase in the end where we tried to
 finalize the version. Things that were not so good and that can and
 should be improved in the future. I am looking for general remarks and
 feedback from people who were involved in this release process and who
 were affected in one or the other way.

 I would like to start first with some brainstorming and have created a
 wiki page [1] to collect the outcome of this brainstorming and
 reflection. This will hopefully help us to avoid mistakes for future
 releases. It can hopefully also help to identify gaps that we have and
 where we should focus a little bit more to close these gaps.


I put some comments on the wiki, but it looks like not much out there
from others.  A few quick thoughts to stimulate some more ideas.

To publish Apache OpenOffice requires two kinds of tasks:

1) Routine, repetitive, time consuming, not-fun work.

2) Fun, exciting, creative work.

Some of this varies by the individual.  For some, debugging is a pain.
 For others it might be an adventure.  Perhaps it depends on whether
you are debugging your own code or not ;-)

In any case, I think the project grows to the extent we can increase
the ratio of fun work to not-fun work.  This makes it overall more fun
for us and helps us attract more volunteers.

The most direct way to improve this ratio is to reduce the amount of
time we spend doing it, by automation or other means of increasing
efficiency.

Examples of time-consuming, repetitive, non-fun work might be:

1) Building AOO

2) Coordinating and posting a RC

3) Explaining the same things over and over again, whether to users or
to other project volunteers

4) Release requirements checking on each release

Perhaps other similar tasks and embedded processes come to mind.

If we think of this as a process of continual refinement and
optimization, we would identify how can improve on items like this.
In fact, from what I hear, more discussions of improving the build,
making more use of build bots, etc., we're heading in the right
direction.

I read a good quote yesterday that is somewhat relevant, by Alfred
North Whitehead:

It is a profoundly erroneous truism, repeated by all copy-books and
by eminent people when they are making speeches, that we should
cultivate the habit of thinking of what we are doing. The precise
opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of
important operations which we can perform without thinking about them.
Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle — they are
strictly limited in number, they require fresh horses, and must only
be made at decisive moments.

I think the same is true of software development.  Our probably today
is we have too much that requires thought and not enough that happens
automatically.  We don't have a lot of fresh horses.  So we need to
concentrate our efforts on where they make the most difference.  This,
at the same, is the stuff that is most fun.

-Rob


 [1]
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Reflection+and+Review

Re: Call for comments: Webpage for Listing OpenOffice Consultants

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
see inline below...

On 09/26/2012 02:25 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com
wrote:

Still suggesting some sort of expiration mechanism (perhaps a
timestamp in the entry, with a scheduled job to prune), so this
doesn't become a barnacle colony.

Yes, this is a very good idea!

Auto-expiration could work as well, but we'd probably want to automate
a reminder courtesy note.

Don

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

Another one of those larger ecosystem things I'll be pushing on.

A draft of a proposed approach is on the wiki here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Draft+--+Apache+OpenOffice+Consultants+Directory

I'm working on the XSLT script now. Looking good so far.

If there are no objections to this general approach, I'll proceed as
follows:

1) Write up a definition of the requirements for the input XML file.
XML Schema and plain English definition, for use by consultants
submitting us listings

2) Draft a webpage giving info on how consultants can submit a
listing. Would list technical and policy requirements.

3) Complete XSLT scripts and get them checked in.

5) Once approved, we go live. The legacy project buried this under
the support page, but I think we should offer a more prominent
location, perhaps a link on the home page.

Why do you think this is desirable? Yeah, I remember we had this under a
Commercial Support heading or something like that on the Support
page.

OK. We should definitely clean this up if this is the case. Early on, I
had tested out some of the links, and most were still working. This may no
longer be

Re: build svtools and sw with debug

2012-09-27 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 09:27:23AM -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
 The big question here, at least for me, is why a boost update causes trouble
 to stlport and why it only affects Windows.

Google lead me to
http://boost.2283326.n4.nabble.com/Can-t-build-boost-1-48-with-STLport-5-2-1-td4372308.html

My best guess is the /D_STLP_DEBUG define which enables enhanced
debugging magic (iterator validation etc.) which might not be binary
compatible with Boost.

The fanny thing is that _STLP_DEBUG is defined only for non pro build.
We may need some boost guru to find out what's happening.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: build svtools with debug

2012-09-27 Thread Mathias Bauer

Am 26.09.2012 18:19, schrieb Armin Le Grand:
 Index: Library_hatchwindowfactory.mk
 ===
 --- Library_hatchwindowfactory.mk   (revision 1389804)
 +++ Library_hatchwindowfactory.mk   (working copy)
 @@ -43,6 +43,7 @@
  tk \
  tl \
  vcl \
 +   stl \
  $(gb_STDLIBS) \
   ))
 
 @Pedro: Is this a solution? Maybe when using debug, extra stuff using 
 stl to verify things (remember data in a vector?) gets compiled. I do 
 not know how bad it is to always link against stl for 
 hatchwindowfactory, even without debug build. What do You think?

Your assumption is a good one, I remember seeing this in other cases in
the past.

But there are other possible reasons. Using a template library might be
fine without linking against its binary part, if the compiler decides to
instantiate the templates in the library using the template. But
sometimes the compiler decides not to do that and requires external
linkage, so you have to link against the library. This may depend on
compiler settings in a very subtle way, so using DEBUG might be able to
trigger such a difference.

That's the beauty of templates. :-)

Especially with a compiler like the MSVC compiler that has some serious
defects in this regard (I once wrote a blog about the joy of linking
against symbols that contain templates on GulFOSS. Those where the days...).

Regards,
Mathias

(who currently works with Objective-C and would love to have problems
like this instead of using a programming language that neither has
templates nor namespaces. But hey, at least it has closures. :-))

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?

On 9/27/12, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:


 On Sep 26, 2012, at 4:23 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

 
 
  On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
 
  On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
 
  Should we have a webdev list?
 
  We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
 
 
  In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
  I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
  work on redesign start growing.
 
  Generally everything should be here.
 
 
  Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
  currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
  office productivity.
 
  Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
  design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
  the CMS.
 
  Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
  with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
  headers and footers.
 
  oh -- OK
 
  I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/
 
 
  Right now, I have some recent mods in
 
  http://www.openoffice.org/test/
 
  to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put constant
  items
 we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand
 column.
 
  We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I
 am working on index.html which I hope to finish up and put into
 production soon, that new designs be given some different name, along
 with
 alternative names for the basic style sheets.
 
  [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the
 social area. I can not get this line to move over to align with the one
 above AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS
 guru! ]

 div class=action-social-extra
 a href=https://twitter.com/apacheoo/;
 emTwitter/em/a, a href=
 https://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668/about
 emGoogle+/em/a,
 a
 href=https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/;emFacebook/em/a
 and a
 href=https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/;emFacebook
 group/em/a.
 /div

 Put a p /p inside the div

 div class=action-social-extrap
 a href=https://twitter.com/apacheoo/;
 emTwitter/em/a, a href=
 https://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668/about
 emGoogle+/em/a,
 a
 href=https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/;emFacebook/em/a
 and a
 href=https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/;emFacebook
 group/em/a.
 /p/div


 Thanks for the suggestion. When I did that (yesterday), it aligned
 correctly but wiped out the colored links. I'll try again. Given that this
 page was originally designed with the styling to do all sorts of things
 that it is no longer doing, I'm thinking the styling could be simplified at
 this point.



 
 
  - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
  different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
  could help our users browse through the site.
 
  yes...another reason to make changes
 
 
  Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
  tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
  to the dimensions of the browser.
 
  That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
 columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.

 When they are pixel widths then they automatically stack. - good for a
 handheld.

 And that is the point!


 Well...OK...I didn't like the right column dropping under. I will start the
 wiki page today. I'm sure others have many good ideas on what would be good
 at this point.

A point I would like to open for consideration is how much HTML5-CSS3
you think we want to use. The web has advanced a lot on this regard
since the original design was done back in 2006-2007.

I would love to also test the idea of using more vectorize design like
SVG-Canvas.

I tested using OO Gull symbol from SVG to Canvas here with great results:
http://www.professorcloud.com/svg-to-canvas/
(code) http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1846237

CSS3 support for gradients also mean we can do the header withou
needing some rasterized background and using strictly CSS forms. Here
is an example of the Opera logo in CSS form
http://v2.desandro.com/articles/opera-logo-css/



 Regards,
 Dave


 
 
  - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
  own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
  the templates/extension/wiki site.
 
  The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
  ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
  harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
 
  - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
  frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
 
  Download the source,

Re: [UX] [Call for review] Task Prioritization Survey Questions

2012-09-27 Thread Regina Henschel


Hi Kevin,

Kevin Grignon schrieb:

Hello All,

I've captured a series of questions for inclusion in an upcoming AOO
survey. The questions are intended to help us understand which features and
capabilities are most frequently used in the editors. Insight from this
survey will help us focus our attention on core task, and help prioritize
future effort.


The keywords in the modules are all about isolate actions, making up a 
matrix of 62 × 5 for spreadsheet for example. I think those things can 
be better collected automatically, in the kind it was done some time ago.


Are the keywords a proposal and you want comments on them? I ask, 
because for example the keywords for Calc do not cover all things I 
often do in spreadsheets.




I've captured the questions in a spreadsheet. Please visit the UX wiki to
download and review the questions.

*AOO Survey Templates - Task Prioritization*
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Survey_Templates_-_Task_Prioritization


Comment about Which type of software do you use the most frequently?

This question is useless, because nearly everyone uses Writer most 
frequently. Suggestion: Let the person order the modules from most 
frequently to less frequently. Then you get information whether Calc is 
more often used than Impress or not.


For me it would be Writer with Math, Draw, Calc, Impress, 
Base. And my rank list shows the second problem, the modules Math, 
Draw and Base are totally missing.




These questions, along with others, will be included in re-usable question
packages that can be deployed in LimeSurvey, our new survey tooling. I will
send out a note on the LimeSurvey effort soon.


What is included in along with others?

I miss for example:

- Functional interaction between the modules.

- Question about the task, the user wants to solve. In Calc for example: 
Using as database, making a statistical evaluation, visualize measured 
data, making a calendar or monitor events in time, creating an 
illustrated catalog, using as advanced scientific calculator,...


- Question about exchange with other application, with other persons.

Kind regards
Regina

Re: build svtools and sw with debug

2012-09-27 Thread Pedro Giffuni

Answering to myself ...

- Original Message -
 From: Pedro Giffuni 
...

 Hi Ariel;

  From: Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org

  On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 09:27:23AM -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
   The big question here, at least for me, is why a boost update causes 
  trouble to stlport and why it only affects Windows.

  Google lead me to

 http://boost.2283326.n4.nabble.com/Can-t-build-boost-1-48-with-STLport-5-2-1-td4372308.html

  My best guess is the /D_STLP_DEBUG define which enables enhanced
  debugging magic (iterator validation etc.) which might not be binary
  compatible with Boost.

 Nice find! The debugging capabilities in stlport are indeed considered an
 important advantage over other implementations. According to OpenGrok
 we define that macro in STLport-4.5.patch and a bunch of other places.

Actually, the key definition is here:

http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/xref/Current%20(trunk)/solenv/inc/settings.mk#894 

We already ignore USE_STLP_DEBUG for OS2. Should we add Windows to the list?

Pedro.

FOSDEM 2013 devroom request: Apache OpenOffice

2012-09-27 Thread Andrea Pescetti


(sent on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice PPMC: http://s.apache.org/PI0 )

* Devroom name: Apache OpenOffice

* Description

Apache OpenOffice, formerly known as OpenOffice.org, is one of the most
popular Free and Open Source software projects. The project, hosted by
the Apache Software Foundation since June 2011, had two successful
releases in 2012, with more than 16 million downloads in 4 months.
OpenOffice is developed by a large and diverse community, including
full-time and part-time core developers, translators, testers, user
experience experts, documentation contributors, developers of
third-party extensions and templates.

* Project URLs
- http://www.openoffice.org
- http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

* Preferred day: Saturday or Sunday
- Saturday

* Why should FOSDEM accept this proposal?

After a period of reorganization at Apache, the OpenOffice project
managed to come back to a regular release schedule, is attracting new
volunteers and is now able to successfully engage them. Recent
contributions, like the donation of the Lotus Symphony code by IBM,
provide interesting challenges for new developers, and there are a lot
of tasks available for non-developers too.

An Apache OpenOffice devroom would allow existing volunteers to meet and
discuss future developments, and users and potential new volunteers to
learn how they can help the project, thanks to presentations and
hacking sessions spanning a broad range of topics.

The Apache OpenOffice project is definitely willing to consider a
possible suggestion by the organizers for a joint ODF editors devroom,
dedicated to Apache OpenOffice and to the other Free and Open Source
editors using OpenDocument as their native format.

Best regards,
  Andrea Pescetti - Apache OpenOffice PPMC.

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?




On 09/27/2012 10:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:




On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:



On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

  Should we have a webdev list?




We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.



In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
work on redesign start growing.



Generally everything should be here.



Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
office productivity.



Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
the CMS.

Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
headers and footers.



oh -- OK

I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/


Right now, I have some recent mods in

http://www.openoffice.org/test/

to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put constant items
we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand column.

We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I am
working on index.html which I hope to finish up and put into production
soon, that new designs be given some different name, along with alternative
names for the basic style sheets.

[ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the social
area. I can not get this line to move over to align with the one above
AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS guru! ]



I think the fact that you are no longer using a p tag is what makes it
loose the inherit style. You have p/pdiv ...Twitter, Google+/div.




Well...all I can tell you is I used many many many permutations 
yesterday trying to get this do what I wanted it to. :) to no use...


I confess I am quite behind in my CSS and  at this point.

I will try to do some quick catch up in this regard, and maybe some 
rather large edits are needed to do something as simple as i'd like.









  - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have

different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
could help our users browse through the site.




yes...another reason to make changes




Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
to the dimensions of the browser.



That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.




  - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their

own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
the templates/extension/wiki site.



The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.

  - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in

frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.



Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.

Regards, Dave




On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
wrote:

  On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk

kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:


With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.

To this end, I've moved some entities to the test
directory, and


updated


robots.txt to not index this directory.

I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
with


horizontal


placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
well.

Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
graphic


mockups of


ideas.



Good topic to bring up.

With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
websites. www.openoffice.org, of course.  But also our project
website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --
d...@openoffice.apache.org.  Our subversion tree changes as
well.  Ditto for Apache dist directory.

So that leads to several sets of website changes:

1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove incubator
disclaimer and references.  There was talk at one point about
refreshing the logo design at this time as well.

2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
references.  There may be others.  This is pretty much a search
 replace operation.

3) Any work to freshen the website UI.  IMHO it is always a
good time to improve the website ;-)


I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font
on the website.  Look at our plain text versus

Re: [proposed PMC] call for feedback: Are you willing to serve as a PMC member?

2012-09-27 Thread Ian Lynch

Sorry for the delay. I am out of the country on business in Bulgaria. I am
glad to be able to serve on the pmc.
On Sep 27, 2012 5:53 PM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote:

 Hi,

 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann schrieb:

 Hi,

 this is a call for feedback to the people who are (currently) on the
 proposed PMC list.
 Please provide feedback, if you are willing to serve as a PMC member.

 The current (copied from initial post of thread [1]) proposed PMC list is:

  Proposed Working List:

Andre Fischer (af)
Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
Andrew Rist (arist)
Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
Armin Le Grand (alg)
Dave Fisher (wave)
Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
Drew Jensen (atjensen)
Ian Lynch (ingotian)
Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
Kay Schenk (kschenk)
Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
Marcus Lange (marcus)
Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
Peter Junge (pj)
Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
Regina Henschel (regina)


 I'm willing to serve as a PMC member.

 RGB.ES (rgb-es)
Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)


 Kind regards
 Regina

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 09/27/2012 10:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:


 On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

   Should we have a webdev list?



 We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.


  In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
 I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
 work on redesign start growing.


 Generally everything should be here.


  Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
 currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
 office productivity.


 Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
 design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
 the CMS.

 Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
 with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
 headers and footers.


 oh -- OK

 I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/


 Right now, I have some recent mods in

 http://www.openoffice.org/test/

 to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put constant items
 we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand
 column.

 We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I am
 working on index.html which I hope to finish up and put into production
 soon, that new designs be given some different name, along with
 alternative
 names for the basic style sheets.

 [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the
 social
 area. I can not get this line to move over to align with the one above
 AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS guru!
 ]



 I think the fact that you are no longer using a p tag is what makes it
 loose the inherit style. You have p/pdiv ...Twitter, Google+/div.



 Well...all I can tell you is I used many many many permutations yesterday
 trying to get this do what I wanted it to. :) to no use...

 I confess I am quite behind in my CSS and  at this point.

 I will try to do some quick catch up in this regard, and maybe some rather
 large edits are needed to do something as simple as i'd like.


I still not totally sure what is the problem maybe I should check the SVN
but have u tried using some pseudo classes-elements. I find this site to be
helpful: http://w3schools.com/css/css_pseudo_classes.asp
at least for reference and remembering stuff.








- Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have

 different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
 could help our users browse through the site.


  yes...another reason to make changes



  Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
 tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
 to the dimensions of the browser.


 That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
 columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.



- Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their

 own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
 the templates/extension/wiki site.


 The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
 ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
 harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.

   - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in

 frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.


 Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.

 Regards, Dave



  On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
 wrote:

   On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk

 kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

  With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
 to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
 http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.

 To this end, I've moved some entities to the test
 directory, and

  updated

  robots.txt to not index this directory.

 I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
 with

  horizontal

  placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
 well.

 Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
 graphic

  mockups of

  ideas.


  Good topic to bring up.

 With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
 websites. www.openoffice.org, of course.  But also our project
 website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
 mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --
 d...@openoffice.apache.org.  Our subversion tree changes as
 well.  Ditto for Apache dist directory.

 So that leads to several sets of website changes:

 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove incubator
 disclaimer and references.  There was talk at one point about

Re: Amazon Download of Apache OpenOffice 3.4

2012-09-27 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts

Hi,

On 12-09-19, at 03:10 , Issac Goldstand is...@volo-net.com wrote:

 On 17/09/2012 19:01, Dave Fisher wrote:
 On Sep 15, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 
 8. Going through the one-click purchase of the $0.00 software, I was not 
 sent the executable.  Instead, I was sent an Amazon OpenOffice 34 by 
 Apache downloader executable.  I ran it.  It is a simple dialog with a 
 progress bar, the gull button, and a message that the item can be downloaded 
 again from my software library. It downloads the software.  It doesn't say 
 where.
 
 This name is a branding issue that must be fixed immediately.
 
 This should probably be handled by Shane as VP of branding.
 
 I kinda  doubt it.  Shane can correct me if I'm way off here, but
 remember that the Apache license explicitly permits redistribution of
 software, so in general you have 2 big categories of downloads:
 
 IANAL
 
 1) Folks redistributing the exact artifacts calling the Apache
 OpenOffice - while this is technically a trademark infringement, the
 nature of channels which would distribute like this is usually not
 something that the foundation and/or project would be overly concerned
 about; after all, it's just like another mirror - it's still the exact
 same software in the same box (or close enough to not matter, although
 packaging changes would certainly be a valid reason for concern), so the
 worst that would normally happen there is a slap on the wrist if they
 don't have the correct trademark notices on the page, and we noticed it.
 
 2) Folks redistributing the exact artifacts or modified artifacts
 calling them something other than Apache OpenOffice (or other
 trademarks that we own, like old OOo trademarks), in which case the
 license also permits it, since they're not claiming to be AOO
 (although use of *our* gulls can be an issue)..  This covers all of the
 eBay offers, all of the bundled download offers, and whatever else might
 annoy us.  I'm pretty sure that such artifacts can be based on AOO or
 Powered by AOO or the like, too, without any issue, as long as there's
 a correctly worded trademark notice for Apache and AOO alongside it...
 
 /IANAL
 
  Issac
 

Well, these points are fairly self-evident and stuff that's common: that's 
good. But where then do we stand now with Amazon downloads? Or for that matter, 
say other app marketplace downloads?

Put another way: Whose remit is this? Is this something that Apache does 
independent of AOO or any other similar project, top level or no?
Or is it something that we, AOO(i), non-top level (albeit wishful), do in 
accordance with Apache, so as to preserve trademark and copyright sanity and 
keep everyone more or less happy or grumpy?

Louis

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?




On 09/25/2012 09:55 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:

KG01 - See comments inline

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:



On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:


Should we have a webdev list?


We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.



In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
redesign start growing.


Generally everything should be here.


KG01 - agreed





Some suggestions on the design of the site:
- Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
software with office productivity.




KG01 - I think we should focus on content before we worry about styling or
visual design. Please create a wiki page on cwiki to capture the proposed
enhancements.


OK, wiki page done...please see

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/WwPVAQ

post comments, add items, etc...

I didn't propose anything just raised some questions, and provided a 
marked up version of the home page with locational areas.








Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design
contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.

Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with
the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and
footers.


- Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
help our users browse through the site.


Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags
in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the
dimensions of the browser.


- Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
templates/extension/wiki site.


The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by
the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure
that SF can follow as well.


- Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
(from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.


Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.

Regards,
Dave




On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com

wrote:

With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to

consider

a
slight update to the user portal web site --
http://www.openoffice.org/--
for this momentous occasion.

To this end, I've moved some entities to the test directory, and

updated

robots.txt to not index this directory.

I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with

horizontal

placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.

Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic

mockups of

ideas.





KG01 - Yes, good idea. Actually, UX is setting up a virtual studio to show
sketches, mockups and screen caps of ideas.




Good topic to bring up.

With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
www.openoffice.org, of course.  But also our project website, which
will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o -- d...@openoffice.apache.org.  Our
subversion tree changes as well.  Ditto for Apache dist directory.

So that leads to several sets of website changes:

1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove incubator
disclaimer and references.  There was talk at one point about
refreshing the logo design at this time as well.




KG01 - Short term re-branding could remove the incubation reference. More
broadly, we should style the site to reflect any updates to our branding.




2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
references.  There may be others.  This is pretty much a search 
replace operation.

3) Any work to freshen the website UI.  IMHO it is always a good
time to improve the website ;-)




KG01 - Long term UI refresh, should be associated with any enhancement to
our brand moving foward. 4.0 presents an opportunity to launch such a
re-branding.

KG01 - Who can lead a re-branding effort? Marketing? PMC? Thoughts?




I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
website.  Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/

http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans



KG01 - Agree, nice font. Very legible onscreen.




To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)



I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we

graduate,

and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.

re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate

Re: [FOSDEM-Devrooms] FOSDEM 2013 devroom request: Apache OpenOffice

2012-09-27 Thread Tias Guns


Hi Andrea,

Thank you for your devroom proposal, we have added it to the list of 
candidates.



Kind regards,
Tias

On 09/27/2012 10:09 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

(sent on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice PPMC: http://s.apache.org/PI0 )

* Devroom name: Apache OpenOffice

* Description

Apache OpenOffice, formerly known as OpenOffice.org, is one of the most
popular Free and Open Source software projects. The project, hosted by
the Apache Software Foundation since June 2011, had two successful
releases in 2012, with more than 16 million downloads in 4 months.
OpenOffice is developed by a large and diverse community, including
full-time and part-time core developers, translators, testers, user
experience experts, documentation contributors, developers of
third-party extensions and templates.

* Project URLs
- http://www.openoffice.org
- http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

* Preferred day: Saturday or Sunday
- Saturday

* Why should FOSDEM accept this proposal?

After a period of reorganization at Apache, the OpenOffice project
managed to come back to a regular release schedule, is attracting new
volunteers and is now able to successfully engage them. Recent
contributions, like the donation of the Lotus Symphony code by IBM,
provide interesting challenges for new developers, and there are a lot
of tasks available for non-developers too.

An Apache OpenOffice devroom would allow existing volunteers to meet and
discuss future developments, and users and potential new volunteers to
learn how they can help the project, thanks to presentations and
hacking sessions spanning a broad range of topics.

The Apache OpenOffice project is definitely willing to consider a
possible suggestion by the organizers for a joint ODF editors devroom,
dedicated to Apache OpenOffice and to the other Free and Open Source
editors using OpenDocument as their native format.

Best regards,
Andrea Pescetti - Apache OpenOffice PPMC.
___
devrooms mailing list
devro...@lists.fosdem.org
https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/devrooms

Re: [proposed PMC] call for feedback: Are you willing to serve as a PMC member?

2012-09-27 Thread Marcus (OOo)


Am 09/26/2012 11:37 AM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann:

Hi,

this is a call for feedback to the people who are (currently) on the
proposed PMC list.
Please provide feedback, if you are willing to serve as a PMC member.

The current (copied from initial post of thread [1]) proposed PMC list is:


Proposed Working List:

Andre Fischer (af)
Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
Andrew Rist (arist)
Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
Armin Le Grand (alg)
Dave Fisher (wave)
Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
Drew Jensen (atjensen)
Ian Lynch (ingotian)
Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
Kay Schenk (kschenk)
Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
Marcus Lange (marcus)


I'm willing to go on and spent some of my spare time for this project to 
bring it forward.


Marcus




Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
Peter Junge (pj)
Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
Regina Henschel (regina)
RGB.ES (rgb-es)
Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)



Jürgen already expressed his willingness in thread [1].

[1] http://markmail.org/message/erjdi3wbe4hsjhqx


Best regards, Oliver.

Re: Did we ever reach consensus on support for Windows 2000

2012-09-27 Thread Marcus (OOo)


Am 09/27/2012 05:03 AM, schrieb Wolf Halton:

I think it more feasible to edit the website than to test on win2k in any
meaningful way.


I understand it in this way, that you suggest to delete the Windows 2000 
support from the webpages and therefore cancel any support somewhat 
silently. Is that right?


 Are we claiming to support win98se? or winME?

No, IMHO this topic is already done and in the past.

Marcus




On Sep 24, 2012 7:06 AM, Stuart Swalesstuart.swales.croftnu...@gmail.com
wrote:


On 23/09/2012 23:51, Kay Schenk wrote:



On 09/16/2012 09:48 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:38 PM, Keith N. McKenna
keith.mcke...@comcast.net  wrote:


Rob Weir wrote:

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Keith N. McKenna
keith.mcke...@comcast.net  wrote:

Greetings All;

I was going through FAQ's and other pages on the AOO (incubating)
site and
noticed that many still are showing that we support Windows 2000 as a
baseline operating system. I though I remembered some discussions a
while
back on this list around that subject and thought we had decided
that we
would no longer do that due to lack of testing resources.



IMHO, support is determined by what we do, not by what we say.  If
no one is testing with Windows 2000, then it is hard to say we support
it.  And if Microsoft does not make Windows 2000 CD's available to
developers for testing, due to a lawsuit, then it is rather difficult
for anyone who wants to test.  Not impossible, but they would need to
get access to CD's or ISO images through unofficial means.


The major disagreement I have with this Rob is that we publish FAQ's
and installation documents on our official web site that lead people
to believe that Windows 2000 is supported.


Actually I don't think we disagree on this. At one point in time
(OpenOffice.org 3.3?) Windows 2000 was presumably tested and that is
why it is on the supported list. The fact that it remains on that list
is purely due to a kind of inertia: documentation in rest stays at
rest unless acted on by an outside force.

So I agree that the website is out of synch with reality here and that
this is suboptimal. Two easy ways to fix: someone volunteers to do
some minimal testing with Windows 2000 to confirm basic operations, or
we remove it from the supported list.

Of course even if removed it could come back once tested.


What does it say for us as a responsible project when we tell people
that despite what we clearly show as a minimum requirement to use our
software is really not what we meant. All that does is leave a bad
taste in the consumers mouth that they most likely will tell there
friends about. That to me is NOT the image we should project.



If you feel strongly about this then you could propose to change the
website and if their are no objections after 72 hours assume lazy
consensus and go ahead and make the changes.


Of course, we could have a dozen people say we *should* support
Windows 2000.  But should does not mean anything.  We really need to
find even a single person who says they *will* test with Windows 2000
and fix any problems that arise.  Until that happens we don't really
support Windows 2000 in any meaningful way.


That is all well and good Rob, but again that needs to be clear to
people and not come as a surprise. I personally do not care one way
or the other if 2000 is supported or not. My concern is with the
image that we project to our user base. I am not a software engineer
or coder so therefore not qualified to judge what is or is not
supportable withing the code. That is why I brought this to the
attention of the people that are qualified to get better information
to present to our users.


I went back through the archives and did find a number of threads
but they

never seemed to reach a definite conclusion. I we are going to
continue to
support it all well and good, but if we cannot then all FAQ's and
other
documentation on the site should change to reflect that.



Support is not determined by consensus wishes.  It is determined by
someone actually doing it.


Again Rob that is all well and good, but why are we publishing to the
world that Windows 2000 is the minimum Windows OS environment that
our product can run in?


Do we have any evidence that users have successfully installed and
used AOO 3.4.x on Windows 2000?  If it works, we might just list it
not a tested configuration, but some users report success..  In
other words, between tested and supported and known to be broken
is a middle territory where it is use at your own risk.


I really do not know if we do our not Rob. What I do know is that we
are telling users on our official web site that Windows 2000 is the
minimum Revision of the OS that our product will run on.

Regards
Keith


-Rob


Regards
Keith








At least the following web pages need some attention:

* http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs.html
(not sure of navigation to this one)
*

Re: Did we ever reach consensus on support for Windows 2000

2012-09-27 Thread Marcus (OOo)


Am 09/27/2012 05:11 AM, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Stuart Swales
stuart.swales.croftnu...@gmail.com  wrote:

Also, moving to Visual Studio 2010 will likely kill off running on
Windows 2000 (and Windows XP prior to SP2). The Visual C++ run-time
library now uses the EncodePointer function which was introduced in XP SP2.


Oracle switched to VS2010 for some part of Java6, that´s why the
latest Java6 JRE updates won´t install on Win2K.

However, I managed to hammer the latest Java6u35+ or thereabouts just
by copying files over from a WinXP install over the Win2K previous
JRE6 install and guess what? it works it seems it´s part of the
installer that needs MSVC runtimes that can´t be run in Win2K...


Sure, there will be the one or other way to hack a Java version into an 
old Windows release. However, the most important part is:


Is that suitable and doable for an average user?

Especially for what you wrote abut I guess it's not. ;-(

Of course, IMHO.

Marcus

[DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair

2012-09-27 Thread Andrew Rist


Moving right along...

I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair.  The 
previous proposed process was discussed in:

http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd
I'd like to take up where that left off.

Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original:

   You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here:
   http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair

   1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours.  Anyone can nominate
   someone for the role.  Self-nominations are fine.  And of course
   nominations can be declined.

   2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there
   are no sustained objections.

   3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for
   another 72 hours.  Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some
   subjects might be directed to ooo-private.

   4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees
   then we vote.  Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes
   would be from PPMC members.  If there are more than 2 candidates,
   there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of
   the nominees receive an outright majority.


(note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more 
complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have 
more than two nominees.)
I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just 
begin the process now.


Andrew

Re: Did we ever reach consensus on support for Windows 2000

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Keith N. McKenna
keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
 Greetings All;

 I was going through FAQ's and other pages on the AOO (incubating) site and
 noticed that many still are showing that we support Windows 2000 as a
 baseline operating system. I though I remembered some discussions a while
 back on this list around that subject and thought we had decided that we
 would no longer do that due to lack of testing resources.

 I went back through the archives and did find a number of threads but they
 never seemed to reach a definite conclusion. I we are going to continue to
 support it all well and good, but if we cannot then all FAQ's and other
 documentation on the site should change to reflect that.



Ah, I just had an idea.  Google Analytics tells us how many users are
running Windows 2000.  It gets that info from the browser agent header
in the HTTP requests.  If I look at all website visits since AOO 3.4.0
was released the breakdown for Windows users is:

7   58.83%  
XP  29.74%
Vista   10.31%
NT  0.62%
Server 2003 0.36%
20000.13%
98  0.01%
ME  0.00%
CE  0.00%
(not set)   0.00%
95  0.00%

So, 0.13% are running Windows 2000.

When thinking of whether  we support a platform or not, a question
to consider:  If a serious security flaw were found tomorrow that only
impacted AOO 3.4.1 running on Windows 2000, would we drop everything
to develop a patch?

If not, then we don't really support a platform.  IMHO we need to be
careful about how we put our name, brand and reputation behind the
word support.  If it means something at all it means that if we
screw up the brand is hurt.  So we should only claim support for
things that we are confident of.

-Rob

 Regards
 Keith

[DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List

2012-09-27 Thread Andrew Rist

I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache 
OpenOffice.
I will leave the discussion on this list open until at least the end of 
Monday (that's midnight in the last timezone for Monday - all Monday 
postmarks accepted)

(that's at least 96 hours for those that are counting)

   Proposed PMC List:

   Andre Fischer (af) *
   Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) *
   Andrew Rist (arist) *
   Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) *
   Armin Le Grand (alg) *
   Dave Fisher (wave) *
   Donald Harbison (dpharbison) *
   Drew Jensen (atjensen)
   Ian Lynch (ingotian) *
   Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) *
   Kay Schenk (kschenk) *
   Kazunari Hirano (khirano) *
   Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) *
   Marcus Lange (marcus) *
   Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) *
   Pedro Giffuni (pfg) *
   Peter Junge (pj) *
   Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
   Regina Henschel (regina) *
   RGB.ES (rgb-es) *
   Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) *
   Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) *
   Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)*

   * has accepted nomination on list



--

Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect
OracleCorporate Architecture Group
Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List

2012-09-27 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts

Thanks, Andrew.
Actually, Andrew, thanks for doing so much of this. 

Cheers
Louis


On 12-09-27, at 17:50 , Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote:

 I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache 
 OpenOffice.
 I will leave the discussion on this list open until at least the end of 
 Monday (that's midnight in the last timezone for Monday - all Monday 
 postmarks accepted)
 (that's at least 96 hours for those that are counting)
 
   Proposed PMC List:
 
   Andre Fischer (af) *
   Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) *
   Andrew Rist (arist) *
   Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) *
   Armin Le Grand (alg) *
   Dave Fisher (wave) *
   Donald Harbison (dpharbison) *
   Drew Jensen (atjensen)
   Ian Lynch (ingotian) *
   Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) *
   Kay Schenk (kschenk) *
   Kazunari Hirano (khirano) *
   Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) *
   Marcus Lange (marcus) *
   Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) *
   Pedro Giffuni (pfg) *
   Peter Junge (pj) *
   Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
   Regina Henschel (regina) *
   RGB.ES (rgb-es) *
   Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) *
   Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) *
   Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)*
 
   * has accepted nomination on list
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect
 OracleCorporate Architecture Group
 Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847

Re: mWiki logo design

2012-09-27 Thread TJ Frazier


On 9/27/2012 12:35, imacat wrote:

On 2012/09/27 17:25, Alexandro Colorado said:

Hi I worked on the updated header of the mWiki site with the current Apache
OO Logo including the gull symbols and the correct integration with the
gradient background. Anyone can help me out understand how to commit this
to the mWiki site, AFAIK this is not on the svn since is a service.
I added an issue with the images assigned to the www-website category:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121107


 OK.  I have updated it.  Please check if it works. ^_*'


I see the new logo on the wiki main page, but nowhere else. Is that a 
problem? (Not a new problem.)


/tj/


 Also issue tracker administrator please close #121107, alone with
#121131. ^_*'  Thanks.



I also have 2 types of approaches about using CSS to design the logo as
opposed to be just a rasterized sequence of images.

News article integration with home page

Kay has started a page on the wiki to list possible areas where we can
improve the website:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=30737243

One of the ideas concerned the little news stories that we put on the home page.

Since I think I'm the only one that has been maintaining this part of
the website, let me explain how it works today, and why that sucks.

When it comes time to add a new story I do the following:

1) Edit the home page via the CMS

1a) Add a new story at the top
1b) Remove the oldest story from the bottom and move it to another
file, news/index.html

(This is especially annoying because 1a and 1b are structured
differently, so it is not a simple cut  paste)

2) Send summaries of the news story out via Twitter, Google+, Facebook, etc.

We could probably do better than this.  For example we could do all
news stories via our existing project blog.  That removes the need for
a page of archival news stories, since Roller provides that.  We could
retrieve and parse the RSS or Atom feed for the blog to populate the
home page.  And there are services to autopost things to Twitter,
etc., from a feed as well.

Or this could be done from the other direction. We could do all short
news items via Twitter and then just do a Twitter stream on the home
page.

Or we could have a feed XML that we check into SVN and display on home page.

These are all variations of one feed to rule them all.  There are
several variations on this basic idea.

Perhaps this would be an interesting small project for someone in the community?

Regards,

-Rob

Re: mWiki logo design

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:05 PM, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote:

 On 9/27/2012 12:35, imacat wrote:

 On 2012/09/27 17:25, Alexandro Colorado said:

 Hi I worked on the updated header of the mWiki site with the current
 Apache
 OO Logo including the gull symbols and the correct integration with the
 gradient background. Anyone can help me out understand how to commit this
 to the mWiki site, AFAIK this is not on the svn since is a service.
 I added an issue with the images assigned to the www-website category:
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121107


  OK.  I have updated it.  Please check if it works. ^_*'


 I see the new logo on the wiki main page, but nowhere else. Is that a
 problem? (Not a new problem.)


I think is the cache since there there is onlyh a few amount of images in
mediawiki for the template.





 /tj/


  Also issue tracker administrator please close #121107, alone with
 #121131. ^_*'  Thanks.


 I also have 2 types of approaches about using CSS to design the logo as
 opposed to be just a rasterized sequence of images.








-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?

KG 02 - See comments inline.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

On 09/25/2012 09:55 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:

KG01 - See comments inline

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
wrote:

On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

Should we have a webdev list?

We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.

In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
redesign start growing.

Generally everything should be here.

KG01 - agreed

Some suggestions on the design of the site:
- Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
software with office productivity.

KG01 - I think we should focus on content before we worry about styling
or
visual design. Please create a wiki page on cwiki to capture the proposed
enhancements.

OK, wiki page done...please see

https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/x/WwPVAQhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/WwPVAQ

post comments, add items, etc...

I didn't propose anything just raised some questions, and provided a
marked up version of the home page with locational areas.

KG02 - Good stuff. Thanks for getting this going.

Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design
contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.

Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with
the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and
footers.

- Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
help our users browse through the site.

Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags
in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the
dimensions of the browser.

- Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
templates/extension/wiki site.

The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by
the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure
that SF can follow as well.

- Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
(from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.

Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.

Regards,
Dave

On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com

wrote:

With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to

consider

a
slight update to the user portal web site --
http://www.openoffice.org/--
for this momentous occasion.

To this end, I've moved some entities to the test directory, and

updated

robots.txt to not index this directory.

I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with

horizontal

placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.

Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic

mockups of

ideas.

KG01 - Yes, good idea. Actually, UX is setting up a virtual studio to show
sketches, mockups and screen caps of ideas.

Good topic to bring up.

With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o -- d...@openoffice.apache.org. Our
subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.

So that leads to several sets of website changes:

1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove incubator
disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
refreshing the logo design at this time as well.

KG01 - Short term re-branding could remove the incubation reference. More
broadly, we should style the site to reflect any updates to our branding.

2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search
replace operation.

3) Any work to freshen the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
time to improve the website ;-)

KG01 - Long term UI refresh, should be associated with any enhancement to
our brand moving foward. 4.0 presents an opportunity to launch such a
re-branding.

KG01 - Who can lead a re-branding effort? Marketing? PMC? Thoughts?

I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/

http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans

KG01 - Agree, nice font. Very legible onscreen.

To me this is much more legible than our current

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