RE: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows?
-Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:aliu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 3:44 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? Hi all, I setup several testing machines to do daily build test for daily builds from buildbot. I found there is no archive package for Windows. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ But archive package is available for Linux. For example, http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_OpenOffic e_incubating_3.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-arc_en-US.tar.gz_2012-10- 08_04%3A24%3A58_1395448.tar.gz Automated testing currently can be executed against for only archive build, so who can help to copy the windows archive package to http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/? I'll really appreciate it. So you are testing packages using your own Buildbot that was built by our Buildbot in the First place ? What tests and what does it achieve ? Gav... -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [Proposal]Propose to Improve the Graphic Bullets Interoperability with MS Word Binary Format
The comment format can provide another way to get the whole code change set,except svn, which is valuable for someone who has only the code base,is not familiar with the tool svn, especially,meets regression issue related to the code change.The comments will be quite helpful. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hello; --- Lun 8/10/12, chengjh ha scritto: Data: Lunedì 8 ottobre 2012, 20:21 I have delivered the patch https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=79748action=diff to improve the graphic bullet interoperability with MS Word binary document. Can any expert help the code review before I commit it?Thanks in advance. [1]Call for Test::http://s.apache.org/YYk Please avoid comments like //begin fix for ixx ... //end of fix Such comments are useless and if someone does care that type of information is registered by the version control system (SVN) anyways. Pedro. -- Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 4, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 2 October 2012 15:40, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) There is no option on the form for requesting @incubator.apache.org lists. Is this an oversight or me being dumb? I thought the same thing at first. At the bottom of that form there is a link to another specialized for for podling list requests. Some extra structure to support the naming conventions: https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator We want ooo-api@i.a.o Thanks! I submitted this yesterday and it did all of its subversion stuff, but still no list. I was waiting for a message, but I see nothing in private @ i.a.o and nothing in ooo-private? Did anyone ever get a notification on this? Yes. I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. That would come from the TLP. I saw the email yesterday midday shortly after it occurred. Sorry I did not respond to this thread until now. I have been extremely busy and traveled across the continent on Friday and back yesterday. On top of that work release today. And back in the air tomorrow. Regards, Dave -Rob I have no time to try to track this down. Would some other good person do so? Thanks! Regards, Dave -Rob Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Juergen -- see below On 10/08/2012 04:45 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, we made good progress towards graduation and I would like to discuss the next steps. - we have selected the initial PMC roster - we have selected a PMC chair (vote finished, result summary out standing but we have a clear vote for Andrea Pescetti) - graduation resolution already updated with PMC roster and preliminary with the PMC chair Next steps to reach potentially the October board meeting: - start IPMC vote, who will trigger this? Should it or have it be triggered by the new PMC chair? This is what the excerpt from http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process says... The Recommendation Vote The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list before a VOTE is started to allow feedback. Once a consensus has been reached, a VOTE should be started on the same general incubator list by a member of the PPMC proposing that the IPMC recommends the resolution to the Board. my take on this is that anyone on the AOO PPMC can forward the existing resolution to general@incubator with some appropriate subject. You might want to send a link to this thread as well... http://markmail.org/message/utklcwlfwl5wp5sx although I imagine mentors would be officially canvassed. A few other loose ends perhaps... on our incubator site page, http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html in the Verify distribution rights section. Have we verified these? (this goes to Dennis comments as well I think) Those two sections are filled in, with the 2012-05-02 dates. So that is done. It was accomplished before we released AOO 3.4.0. Someone should (probably not must) update that page with committers added. Regards, Dave Finally, I don't know who has modification rights to this page, but there is no link to our June and Sept reports. It might be nice if someone did this. All committers should have rights to edit that page. It can be done via the CMS web interface. But I just did a quick update in this case to add links to those two status reports. -Rob I hope we can start this IPMC vote on Tuesday or Wednesday latest. Anything else we need? Juergen -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On 10/8/12 10:59 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: On 10/08/2012 04:45 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: we made good progress towards graduation and I would like to discuss the next steps. Thanks, indeed the IPMC vote should be started soon. - graduation resolution already updated with PMC roster and preliminary with the PMC chair Here (pending the official tally of Chair election) we are ready to go. The resolution already received lazy consensus in its initial form (which only missed the PMC and Chair names), then we voted on each of the missing items (PMC and Chair), so once the Chair election results are official I see no need for an explicit vote on ooo-dev about the full resolution. +1 we don't have to do things twice and the whole process is available in the mail archives Next steps to reach potentially the October board meeting: - start IPMC vote, who will trigger this? Should it or have it be triggered by the new PMC chair? my take on this is that anyone on the AOO PPMC can forward the existing resolution to general@incubator with some appropriate subject. I can take care of this, no problem. I'll forward the current text at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Graduation+Resolution+%28draft%29 to general@incubator in about 24 hours, unless someone asks that we wait longer (but, as explained above, I think we had consensus on all the parts of the resolution already). Andrea, I think we should do it immediately to have enough time for potential discussion. Please do it as soon as possible for you or let me know if I should step in. Juergen
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On 10/9/12 8:35 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC. The PPMC has no chair. I suppose the updated graduation resolution would need to be balloted here. Then the IPMC can vote on it on their list for graduation. Also, all of the things that a PPMC is supposed to have been done need to be checked off somewhere - on the podling status page, I expect. Meanwhile ... Different question. I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. no excuse of course but many other work we have to do and I really would like to ask if we have the resources to do that work now. The goal of this grant now is to use parts of the code and merge it in our main source trunk that we use to build our releases. It can be seen more as a backup storage where we take bugfixes from that are already fixed there or where we take feature implementation from. We don't have any plans to release something based on this code. BTW - Large software grants go through the incubator. TLPs do this. [1] I think that not clearing the Symphony grant might be a graduation problem for some on the IPMC. It will certainly be discussed. well I hope not and people will hopefully think carefully about this. The code is not released and not used yet, only for backup. And when we use parts of it it will be merged in our main trunk. Juergen Regards, Dave [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 04:45 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation Hi, we made good progress towards graduation and I would like to discuss the next steps. - we have selected the initial PMC roster - we have selected a PMC chair (vote finished, result summary out standing but we have a clear vote for Andrea Pescetti) - graduation resolution already updated with PMC roster and preliminary with the PMC chair Next steps to reach potentially the October board meeting: - start IPMC vote, who will trigger this? Should it or have it be triggered by the new PMC chair? I hope we can start this IPMC vote on Tuesday or Wednesday latest. Anything else we need? Juergen
Re: [Proposal]Propose to Improve the Graphic Bullets Interoperability with MS Word Binary Format
On 10/9/12 8:06 AM, chengjh wrote: The comment format can provide another way to get the whole code change set,except svn, which is valuable for someone who has only the code base,is not familiar with the tool svn, especially,meets regression issue related to the code change.The comments will be quite helpful. I agree to Pedro that we don't use such comments in our code and we shouldn't do that. We should probably cleanup the code form existing comments like this. The information is available via the SCM system and that is enough. Comments of general purpose to explain what the code is doing or to give some further explanation of the logic behind it is quite useful and good. But this kind of comments are not really useful and make the code more unreadable and doesn't really help. Juergen On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hello; --- Lun 8/10/12, chengjh ha scritto: Data: Lunedì 8 ottobre 2012, 20:21 I have delivered the patch https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=79748action=diff to improve the graphic bullet interoperability with MS Word binary document. Can any expert help the code review before I commit it?Thanks in advance. [1]Call for Test::http://s.apache.org/YYk Please avoid comments like //begin fix for ixx ... //end of fix Such comments are useless and if someone does care that type of information is registered by the version control system (SVN) anyways. Pedro.
Re: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows?
No. I didn't use any my own buildbot for testing. I just wrote scripts to automatically download the latest build from apache buildbot(http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/) to my testing machine. Then perform the testing on my local machines. Currently the tests include only build verification test cases, pls refer to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/BVT. In the past, we put the test results in our wiki. Now an web app is basically available to view test result. It's still under construction. http://people.apache.org/~liuzhe/testdashboard/#bvt In future, I will add more tests into it. 2012/10/9 Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au: -Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:aliu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 3:44 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? Hi all, I setup several testing machines to do daily build test for daily builds from buildbot. I found there is no archive package for Windows. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ But archive package is available for Linux. For example, http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_OpenOffic e_incubating_3.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-arc_en-US.tar.gz_2012-10- 08_04%3A24%3A58_1395448.tar.gz Automated testing currently can be executed against for only archive build, so who can help to copy the windows archive package to http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/? I'll really appreciate it. So you are testing packages using your own Buildbot that was built by our Buildbot in the First place ? What tests and what does it achieve ? Gav... -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [Proposal]Propose to Improve the Graphic Bullets Interoperability with MS Word Binary Format
I agree with Pedro that the change history belongs into the RCS, especially in a code base as ours where some source files have had many hundreds of changes over their history of about twenty years. Of course an issue reference is valuable when the comment helps to understand what the code does and why it does it. Anything else is distracting. Herbert (sorry for top-posting) On 2012/10/09 8:06 AM, chengjh wrote: The comment format can provide another way to get the whole code change set,except svn, which is valuable for someone who has only the code base,is not familiar with the tool svn, especially,meets regression issue related to the code change.The comments will be quite helpful. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Pedro Giffunip...@apache.org wrote: Hello; --- Lun 8/10/12, chengjh ha scritto: Data: Lunedì 8 ottobre 2012, 20:21 I have delivered the patch https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=79748action=diff to improve the graphic bullet interoperability with MS Word binary document. Can any expert help the code review before I commit it?Thanks in advance. [1]Call for Test::http://s.apache.org/YYk Please avoid comments like //begin fix for ixx ... //end of fix Such comments are useless and if someone does care that type of information is registered by the version control system (SVN) anyways. Pedro.
Re: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows?
On 10/9/12 9:17 AM, Zhe Liu wrote: No. I didn't use any my own buildbot for testing. I just wrote scripts to automatically download the latest build from apache buildbot(http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/) to my testing machine. Then perform the testing on my local machines. Currently the tests include only build verification test cases, pls refer to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/BVT. In the past, we put the test results in our wiki. Now an web app is basically available to view test result. It's still under construction. http://people.apache.org/~liuzhe/testdashboard/#bvt In future, I will add more tests into it. Ideally we can include these tests in the build bots directly. A long term goal is to have build bots for the 4 major platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux 32 + 64 bit) where we can build with he same configuration that we use for our convenience binary releases. Having the tests integrated would help a lot and would help to improve our overall quality. The more things we can automate the better it is and the tests become more complex over time. Means not only build verification tests but also other tests like functional verification tests etc. Zhe Liu please correct me if I am wrong. Juergen 2012/10/9 Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au: -Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:aliu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 3:44 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? Hi all, I setup several testing machines to do daily build test for daily builds from buildbot. I found there is no archive package for Windows. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ But archive package is available for Linux. For example, http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_OpenOffic e_incubating_3.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-arc_en-US.tar.gz_2012-10- 08_04%3A24%3A58_1395448.tar.gz Automated testing currently can be executed against for only archive build, so who can help to copy the windows archive package to http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/? I'll really appreciate it. So you are testing packages using your own Buildbot that was built by our Buildbot in the First place ? What tests and what does it achieve ? Gav... -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows?
2012/10/9 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com: On 10/9/12 9:17 AM, Zhe Liu wrote: No. I didn't use any my own buildbot for testing. I just wrote scripts to automatically download the latest build from apache buildbot(http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/) to my testing machine. Then perform the testing on my local machines. Currently the tests include only build verification test cases, pls refer to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/BVT. In the past, we put the test results in our wiki. Now an web app is basically available to view test result. It's still under construction. http://people.apache.org/~liuzhe/testdashboard/#bvt In future, I will add more tests into it. Ideally we can include these tests in the build bots directly. A long term goal is to have build bots for the 4 major platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux 32 + 64 bit) where we can build with he same configuration that we use for our convenience binary releases. Having the tests integrated would help a lot and would help to improve our overall quality. I think it's also a good way to use some testing dedicated machines rather than buildbot slavers. We can cover more OSs. If we use buildbot slavers, we only cover 4 OSs. With tests become more and more, if we include all tests in buildbot, the build period will become very long. Of course, it's more convenient to perform tests with buildbot. I think we can includes part of tests. e.g. build verification test. Are these buildbot slavers enabled graphics interface? Some tests need access to graphics interface. The more things we can automate the better it is and the tests become more complex over time. Means not only build verification tests but also other tests like functional verification tests etc. Currently, we have about 300 automated test cases in our test project, including GUI test, UNO API test, Functional test, Performance test. We plan to execute them step by step. Zhe Liu please correct me if I am wrong. Juergen 2012/10/9 Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au: -Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:aliu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 3:44 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? Hi all, I setup several testing machines to do daily build test for daily builds from buildbot. I found there is no archive package for Windows. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ But archive package is available for Linux. For example, http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_OpenOffic e_incubating_3.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-arc_en-US.tar.gz_2012-10- 08_04%3A24%3A58_1395448.tar.gz Automated testing currently can be executed against for only archive build, so who can help to copy the windows archive package to http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/? I'll really appreciate it. So you are testing packages using your own Buildbot that was built by our Buildbot in the First place ? What tests and what does it achieve ? Gav... -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 10/8/12 10:59 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: I can take care of this, no problem. I'll forward the current text at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Graduation+Resolution+%28draft%29 to general@incubator in about 24 hours, unless someone asks that we wait Andrea, I think we should do it immediately to have enough time for potential discussion. Please do it as soon as possible for you or let me know if I should step in. Indeed we can forward it immediately since general@incubator will probably want to discuss before starting a vote. I have all links ready and I'll send the draft resolution to general@incubator (CC this list; but discussion will be at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/ ) in a few minutes. Regards, Andrea.
[Call-for-Review]Bug 121178 - [From Symphoy]Chart name in Excel is different with the name in Symphony
Hi~ I have a code review request. Is there anybody could help me to review this fix? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121178 Thanks BRs Clarence
Proposed resolution: Establish the Apache OpenOffice Project
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC and Community believe the project is ready to graduate to a Top Level Project. Multiple steps were taken in this direction, including: - Community vote to start graduation process: http://s.apache.org/e7F - Consensus on resolution text: http://s.apache.org/JN8 - Election of Starting Membership for the PMC: http://s.apache.org/aR9 - Election of a (future) PMC Chair: http://s.apache.org/019 - Feedback from mentors: http://markmail.org/message/utklcwlfwl5wp5sx The proposed resolution text follows. I expect to start a VOTE on it on general@incubator as soon as there is consensus (on the same list). --- WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the OpenOffice personal productivity applications, for distribution at no charge to the public. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache OpenOffice Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache OpenOffice Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to the OpenOffice personal productivity applications; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, OpenOffice be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache OpenOffice Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache OpenOffice Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache OpenOffice Project: * Andre Fischer (af) * Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) * Andrew Rist (arist) * Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) * Armin Le Grand (alg) * Dave Fisher (wave) * Donald Harbison (dpharbison) * Drew Jensen (atjensen) * Ian Lynch (ingotian) * Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) * Kay Schenk (kschenk) * Kazunari Hirano (khirano) * Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) * Marcus Lange (marcus) * Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) * Pedro Giffuni (pfg) * Peter Junge (pj) * Raphael Bircher (rbircher) * Regina Henschel (regina) * RGB.ES (rgb-es) * Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) * Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) * Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Andrea Pescetti be appointed to the office of Vice President, OpenOffice, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache OpenOffice Project be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the OpenOffice Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache OpenOffice Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache OpenOffice.org podling; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator OpenOffice.org podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged. --- Best regards, Andrea Pescetti - Apache OpenOffice PPMC.
Re: [CHECKSUMS MAC OS] Need help to check and fix the instructions for the ASC and KEYS hashes on Mac OS
On 10/8/12 8:59 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 10/08/2012 11:05 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 10/5/12 9:23 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 10/05/2012 09:57 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 10/4/12 10:33 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Hi Mac fans, as I've no Mac at hand please can someone help me with verifing and fixing the checksum instructions: http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums/3.4.1_checksums.html#howto This is how you verify with ASC and KEYS hashes on Mac OS A user has reported a problem with the following line: KEYID=0x`... (see IZ 121159 for reference) Thanks in advance why so complicate? I am no gpg guru but I thought it should be enough to I simply collected what I've found in the Internet. 1. import the official KEYS as you have described 2. gpg --verify Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_MacOS_x86_install_en-GB.dmg.asc Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_MacOS_x86_install_en-GB.dmg Result if it's ok: gpg: Signature made Mon Aug 13 15:47:11 2012 CEST using RSA key ID ABABABAB gpg: Good signature from Juergen Schmidtx...@xxx.com gpg: aka Juergen Schmidty...@yyy.com gpg: aka Juergen Schmidtv...@vvv.org Result if it's a bad signature: gpg: Signature made Mon Aug 13 15:47:11 2012 CEST using RSA key ID ABABABAB gpg: BAD signature from Juergen Schmidtx...@xxx.com Interesting, at least on Linux I've to do all the steps listed in the Linux section. So, you don't have to do this on Mac OS? A simple gpg --verify KEYS is enough to get a Good ... or Bad ... result? I am not sure if I understand you here, I verified the *.asc file with the original file. So, the question is, how? Please be as detailed possible, I've no chance to reproduce. ;-) I would expect that this works on all platforms more or less in the same way. OK, to make it simple. The following commands do not work on Linux: $ wget http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/KEYS $ gpg --import KEYS $ gpg --verify install_binary.tar.gz.asc install_binary.tar.gz Does this work on MacOS X? If not please help me to get it working. the problem is that the file http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/KEYS contains only 2 keys, Rob's and my key. Please try it with https://people.apache.org/keys/group/ooo.asc The ooo.asc file will updated automatically via id.apache.org if people maintain their data there as far as I know Juergen Thanks Marcus
Re: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows?
Can we request several VM to perform automation test? Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On Oct 9, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/10/9 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com: On 10/9/12 9:17 AM, Zhe Liu wrote: No. I didn't use any my own buildbot for testing. I just wrote scripts to automatically download the latest build from apache buildbot(http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/) to my testing machine. Then perform the testing on my local machines. Currently the tests include only build verification test cases, pls refer to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/BVT. In the past, we put the test results in our wiki. Now an web app is basically available to view test result. It's still under construction. http://people.apache.org/~liuzhe/testdashboard/#bvt In future, I will add more tests into it. Ideally we can include these tests in the build bots directly. A long term goal is to have build bots for the 4 major platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux 32 + 64 bit) where we can build with he same configuration that we use for our convenience binary releases. Having the tests integrated would help a lot and would help to improve our overall quality. I think it's also a good way to use some testing dedicated machines rather than buildbot slavers. We can cover more OSs. If we use buildbot slavers, we only cover 4 OSs. With tests become more and more, if we include all tests in buildbot, the build period will become very long. Of course, it's more convenient to perform tests with buildbot. I think we can includes part of tests. e.g. build verification test. Are these buildbot slavers enabled graphics interface? Some tests need access to graphics interface. The more things we can automate the better it is and the tests become more complex over time. Means not only build verification tests but also other tests like functional verification tests etc. Currently, we have about 300 automated test cases in our test project, including GUI test, UNO API test, Functional test, Performance test. We plan to execute them step by step. Zhe Liu please correct me if I am wrong. Juergen 2012/10/9 Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au: -Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:aliu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 3:44 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? Hi all, I setup several testing machines to do daily build test for daily builds from buildbot. I found there is no archive package for Windows. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ But archive package is available for Linux. For example, http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_OpenOffic e_incubating_3.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-arc_en-US.tar.gz_2012-10- 08_04%3A24%3A58_1395448.tar.gz Automated testing currently can be executed against for only archive build, so who can help to copy the windows archive package to http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/? I'll really appreciate it. So you are testing packages using your own Buildbot that was built by our Buildbot in the First place ? What tests and what does it achieve ? Gav... -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC. The PPMC has no chair. I suppose the updated graduation resolution would need to be balloted here. Then the IPMC can vote on it on their list for graduation. Also, all of the things that a PPMC is supposed to have been done need to be checked off somewhere - on the podling status page, I expect. Meanwhile ... Different question. I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? If you recall we had a discussion a while ago on what to do with the Symphony code. One proposal was to adopt it as the new trunk and move quickly to releasing it. Another was to merge it into the trunk, a much slower process. The consensus was to do the slow merge. So the Symphony SGA did not impact the AOO 3.4.0 or AOO 3.4.1 releases. But it will impact future releases beyond any 3.4.x maintenance release. So, we'll need to take care of the IP Clearance as part of the next major release. Where in that cycle it is done is debatable. But certainly the RAT scans will ensure we don't release any code with incorrect headers. And we should add an explicit check list item for the next release that go through the other IP Clearance items. Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. If you feel this is something you really want to work on right now I'm sure we can arrange to give you the needed written permission so you can update the headers. BTW - Large software grants go through the incubator. TLPs do this. [1] Right. And that processes is explicitly not for podlings. I think that not clearing the Symphony grant might be a graduation problem for some on the IPMC. It will certainly be discussed. I'd be happy to delete that code from SVN if the IPMC has problems with it. Regards, -Rob Regards, Dave [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 04:45 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation Hi, we made good progress towards graduation and I would like to discuss the next steps. - we have selected the initial PMC roster - we have selected a PMC chair (vote finished, result summary out standing but we have a clear vote for Andrea Pescetti) - graduation resolution already updated with PMC roster and preliminary with the PMC chair Next steps to reach potentially the October board meeting: - start IPMC vote, who will trigger this? Should it or have it be triggered by the new PMC chair? I hope we can start this IPMC vote on Tuesday or Wednesday latest. Anything else we need? Juergen
Re: [CODE] gmake and AOO build system
On 01.10.2012 06:16, Andrew Rist wrote: I'll checkin the code this week - was trying to get a working env with he branch, and was having the usual issues. Thanks. Don't know how far we're taking this , but would be nice to leave the build cleaner and more stable... I finally got to checking out the buildsys branch and building it. Before I describe the problems that I have I would like to ask if you have made changes beyond adapting the license headers? I am still trying to figure out what has been changed and why. The commit messages of the two larger commits (1394326 and 1394707) state that both contain changes from CWSs ause130, ause131, gnumake4 and sd2gbuild: ause130: #i117218# change .idl handling to gnu make ause131: #i117685# own copy target for globlmn.hrc gnumake4: add support for zip and jar files sd2gbuild: migrated module sd to gbuild gnumake4: #i117340#: CustomTarget: replace broken multi-repo support Why are there two commits? Now to my build problems (I am building on Windows 7): 1. I can not run main/bootstrap without manually sourcing the solar environment (winenv.set.sh). 2. Build breaks in udkapi. For some reason the udkapi/prj/build.lst has been stripped to just building udkapi/prj. That directory does not contain a makefile, therefore the build breaks. Also, udkapi/prj/d.lst has been stripped empty. That would mean that all IDL files in udkapi are not accessible anymore. I don't see how that could work. re 1: This should be easy to fix. re 2: This looks like a serious problem. Without understanding the goal of these changes, it is hard to come up with a fix. -Andre A Sent from my iThingie On Sep 30, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hi Ariel; - Original Message - From: Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Hi Pedro, On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 09:07:03AM -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote: There is currently nothing here, in fact trunk is more up to date. Can I start committing stuff or should Andrew do it? IMHO only Andrew, as Oracle representative, can commit the patches. The idea is to ensure that patches are granted by Oracle without the need to ask for another software grant for this particular cws. I guess this should be the procedure people should follow if interested in getting cws code granted by Oracle; the other way is to ask for a software grant on every file in the cws, but I guess that this won't scale (Oracle will have to redo the same amount of work they did for the original software grant). OK, I can wait. Concerning this particular case, once Andrew commits the patches, there should be some agreement on what to do: IMHO, the first thing should be to ensure that the code builds in Windows, Linux and MacOSX (that cws didn't originally take into account OS2 nor FreeBSD), otherwise there is the chance that changes made for OS2/FreeBSD/Solaris/etc end up breaking something that was actually working in the cws; and it may be then hard to guess where and why it got broken (just like the boost/stlport case). I expect the only files that I have to touch are FreeBSD specific so that probably won't be the case here. In any case I would expect the branch won't be merged into trunk until any issue with the FreeBSD and/or Linux/Mac Windows ports are fixed. cheers, Pedro.
Re: Policy question: How to link to books about OpenOffice?
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-10-08, at 17:24 , Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I'm hesitant to just list every book that is published. ... List them only when requested (like we do with consultants)? This is probably the best option. List them but screen out ones that we consider to be low value, e.g., an identical reprint of a free eBook? We have lazy consensus in place for consultants and the same would apply here: if someone believes that a submitted entry is problematic, or that another book should be listed instead of the submitted one, he can just speak up. Regards, Andrea. What I did before was what can be done better now, to have the author or his/her agent either request listing or list it, and to permit this only within the stipulated constraints of relevance, inoffensiveness, etc. I've added a paragraph to the top telling authors and publishers how they can send titles for possible inclusion: http://www.openoffice.org/support/books.html Still needs some work to de-uglify the page, but that is a task for another day. -Rob Louis
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC. The PPMC has no chair. I suppose the updated graduation resolution would need to be balloted here. Then the IPMC can vote on it on their list for graduation. Also, all of the things that a PPMC is supposed to have been done need to be checked off somewhere - on the podling status page, I expect. Meanwhile ... Different question. I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? If you recall we had a discussion a while ago on what to do with the Symphony code. One proposal was to adopt it as the new trunk and move quickly to releasing it. Another was to merge it into the trunk, a much slower process. The consensus was to do the slow merge. So the Symphony SGA did not impact the AOO 3.4.0 or AOO 3.4.1 releases. But it will impact future releases beyond any 3.4.x maintenance release. So, we'll need to take care of the IP Clearance as part of the next major release. Where in that cycle it is done is debatable. But certainly the RAT scans will ensure we don't release any code with incorrect headers. And we should add an explicit check list item for the next release that go through the other IP Clearance items. Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. If you feel this is something you really want to work on right now I'm sure we can arrange to give you the needed written permission so you can update the headers. No, even if I had the time (which I do not) I have NO RIGHTs to change IBM's corporate IP (even with the grant.) This IP clearance must be done by someone who is an employee for IBM. There are plenty of those people in the project. This is completely analogous to Andrew Rist changing the headers for the Oracle grant. BTW - Large software grants go through the incubator. TLPs do this. [1] Right. And that processes is explicitly not for podlings. If we graduate without this then I would propose it. I think that not clearing the Symphony grant might be a graduation problem for some on the IPMC. It will certainly be discussed. I'd be happy to delete that code from SVN if the IPMC has problems with it. And then the re-grant may require it. Keep in mind I don't think this is a blocker, but others may. Regards, Dave Regards, -Rob Regards, Dave [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 04:45 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation Hi, we made good progress towards graduation and I would like to discuss the next steps. - we have selected the initial PMC roster - we have selected a PMC chair (vote finished, result summary out standing but we have a clear vote for Andrea Pescetti) - graduation resolution already updated with PMC roster and preliminary with the PMC chair Next steps to reach potentially the October board meeting: - start IPMC vote, who will trigger this? Should it or have it be triggered by the new PMC chair? I hope we can start this IPMC vote on Tuesday or Wednesday latest. Anything else we need? Juergen
Re: [RESULT][VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
Congratulations Andrea! I think the community has made an excellent choice. And, many thanks Andrew for driving this effort. Best regards, Peter On 10/9/2012 12:27 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: The Vote started on 2012-10-04 has ended. Results: Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) - 28 (24 PPMC + 2 Committers + 2 Community) Drew Jensen (atjensen) - 3 (3 PPMC) There were no other votes cast. The PPMC has approved Andrea Pescetti for PMC Chair Apache OpenOffice PMC This can now be added to the TLP resolution for AOO.
Re: Policy question: How to link to books about OpenOffice?
Hi. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I've added a paragraph to the top telling authors and publishers how they can send titles for possible inclusion: http://www.openoffice.org/support/books.html I 'm reading all, and think the should consider the book as consultants. They are helping in support, marketing and others with AOO. Albino
Re: [RESULT][VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
Hi On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: Congratulations Andrea! I think the community has made an excellent choice. +1 And, many thanks Andrew for driving this effort. Yeah! Albino
Re: [Call-for-Review]Bug 121178 - [From Symphoy]Chart name in Excel is different with the name in Symphony
--- Mar 9/10/12, Clarence GUO clarence.guo...@gmail.com ha scritto: Da: Clarence GUO clarence.guo...@gmail.com Oggetto: [Call-for-Review]Bug 121178 - [From Symphoy]Chart name in Excel is different with the name in Symphony A: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Data: Martedì 9 ottobre 2012, 03:19 Hi~ I have a code review request. Is there anybody could help me to review this fix? https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121178 Thanks BRs Clarence Here again I am seeing some ugly markers that note where the fix for an issue number starts/ends. Pleae remove those: they make the code ugly and unreadable and such information is made redundant by SVN. Pedro.
Re: [RESULT][VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
On 9 October 2012 13:45, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: Hi On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: Congratulations Andrea! I think the community has made an excellent choice. +1 And, many thanks Andrew for driving this effort. Yeah! Albino +1 -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
Hi. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. You can add in forum. (: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was planning on getting the word out on the new list. I can include the forums, ooo-dev, ooo-users. Also, I was going to work with Roberto to see if we can send a note out to the existing extension authors via SourceForge. On the website I'll add to: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html Yes. You can add. I still didn't change in the cvs, I can try. Any place else? Maybe update this page: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ ?? (It looks like it needs many updates. Perhaps something we can discuss on the new mailing list!) We are to take a look. Albino
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
Hi Rob, Rob Weir schrieb: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:17:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. I was planning on getting the word out on the new list. I can include the forums, ooo-dev, ooo-users. Also, I was going to work with Roberto to see if we can send a note out to the existing extension authors via SourceForge. Please include ooo-announce too. On the website I'll add to: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html Any place else? Maybe update this page: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ ?? (It looks like it needs many updates. Perhaps something we can discuss on the new mailing list!) On http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development because it is the first result item, if you search for OpenOffice extension development. Kind regards Regina
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC. The PPMC has no chair. I suppose the updated graduation resolution would need to be balloted here. Then the IPMC can vote on it on their list for graduation. Also, all of the things that a PPMC is supposed to have been done need to be checked off somewhere - on the podling status page, I expect. Meanwhile ... Different question. I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? If you recall we had a discussion a while ago on what to do with the Symphony code. One proposal was to adopt it as the new trunk and move quickly to releasing it. Another was to merge it into the trunk, a much slower process. The consensus was to do the slow merge. So the Symphony SGA did not impact the AOO 3.4.0 or AOO 3.4.1 releases. But it will impact future releases beyond any 3.4.x maintenance release. So, we'll need to take care of the IP Clearance as part of the next major release. Where in that cycle it is done is debatable. But certainly the RAT scans will ensure we don't release any code with incorrect headers. And we should add an explicit check list item for the next release that go through the other IP Clearance items. Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. If you feel this is something you really want to work on right now I'm sure we can arrange to give you the needed written permission so you can update the headers. No, even if I had the time (which I do not) I have NO RIGHTs to change IBM's corporate IP (even with the grant.) This IP clearance must be done by someone who is an employee for IBM. There are plenty of those people in the project. See: http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html 1. If the source file is submitted with a copyright notice included in it, the copyright owner (or owner's agent) must either: 1. remove such notices, or 2. move them to the NOTICE file associated with each applicable project release, or 3. provide written permission for the ASF to make such removal or relocation of the notices. I'd be happy to arrange such written permission via 3 above if this is an issue for anyone. I wouldn't want anyone to feel blocked by lack of such explicit permission. This is completely analogous to Andrew Rist changing the headers for the Oracle grant. BTW - Large software grants go through the incubator. TLPs do this. [1] Right. And that processes is explicitly not for podlings. If we graduate without this then I would propose it. I think that not clearing the Symphony grant might be a graduation problem for some on the IPMC. It will certainly be discussed. I'd be happy to delete that code from SVN if the IPMC has problems with it. And then the re-grant may require it. So long as the SGA still covers the contributed files we should be OK. Remember, the SGA comes before the check-in. So it might make sense to delete the files from SVN, clean up the headers, and then check them in again, if anyone thinks this is a blocking issue. It simply disentangles two unrelated issues if anyone has difficulties separating them. Keep in mind I don't think this is a blocker, but others may. There will probably be a lot of angst in the IPMC discussion in general. Probably best to wait to see what the full set of issues are and then discuss. -Rob Regards, Dave Regards, -Rob Regards, Dave [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 04:45 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
Installation patches
Hi, In the last days I looked into how to create installation patches for updating AOO. Using patches instead of full installation packages would lead to smaller files to distribute for updating AOO on the next release. I have created a new Wiki page for my findings. Please see [1] for an overview and the details of how to create patch files. Note that I have concentrated on the Windows platform for the time being. My results for the impatient: 1. I have written a Perl script with which I have created a Windows Installer MSP patch file that updates an installed Apache OpenOffice 3.4 to 3.4.1. Its size is roughly a tenth of the full installation package. There are some minor problems, like the about box still displaying 3.4 as current version in the first line. The second line is OK. 2. There is already some support for the creation of patch files in the make_installer.pl script but this functionality is inactive. It is not triggered by the makefile in module instsetoo_native/ and therefore I can not say whether it would still work. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Building_installation_packages Best regards, Andre
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
2012/10/9 Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC. The PPMC has no chair. I suppose the updated graduation resolution would need to be balloted here. Then the IPMC can vote on it on their list for graduation. Also, all of the things that a PPMC is supposed to have been done need to be checked off somewhere - on the podling status page, I expect. Meanwhile ... Different question. I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? If you recall we had a discussion a while ago on what to do with the Symphony code. One proposal was to adopt it as the new trunk and move quickly to releasing it. Another was to merge it into the trunk, a much slower process. The consensus was to do the slow merge. So the Symphony SGA did not impact the AOO 3.4.0 or AOO 3.4.1 releases. But it will impact future releases beyond any 3.4.x maintenance release. So, we'll need to take care of the IP Clearance as part of the next major release. Where in that cycle it is done is debatable. But certainly the RAT scans will ensure we don't release any code with incorrect headers. And we should add an explicit check list item for the next release that go through the other IP Clearance items. Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. If you feel this is something you really want to work on right now I'm sure we can arrange to give you the needed written permission so you can update the headers. No, even if I had the time (which I do not) I have NO RIGHTs to change IBM's corporate IP (even with the grant.) This IP clearance must be done by someone who is an employee for IBM. There are plenty of those people in the project. My understanding is that those license headers indicates that the files HAD belonged to IBM or granted to IBM (not any other 3rd party). While the SGA also indicates that IBM already contributed them out. So every one has right to change them now. The Symphony files are there, as a history of IBM's contribution, not cleaned up yet, and not integrated into our AOO release with those uncleaned licenses. So I think it should not be a problem for our graduation. Just my 0.02$. - Simon This is completely analogous to Andrew Rist changing the headers for the Oracle grant. BTW - Large software grants go through the incubator. TLPs do this. [1] Right. And that processes is explicitly not for podlings. If we graduate without this then I would propose it. I think that not clearing the Symphony grant might be a graduation problem for some on the IPMC. It will certainly be discussed. I'd be happy to delete that code from SVN if the IPMC has problems with it. And then the re-grant may require it. Keep in mind I don't think this is a blocker, but others may. Regards, Dave Regards, -Rob Regards, Dave [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 04:45 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation Hi, we made good progress towards graduation and I would like to discuss the next steps. - we have selected the initial PMC roster - we have selected a PMC chair (vote finished, result summary out standing but we have a clear vote for Andrea Pescetti) - graduation resolution already updated with PMC roster and preliminary with the PMC chair Next steps to reach potentially the October board meeting: - start IPMC vote, who will trigger this? Should it or have it be triggered by the new PMC chair? I hope we
Re: Installation patches
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In the last days I looked into how to create installation patches for updating AOO. Using patches instead of full installation packages would lead to smaller files to distribute for updating AOO on the next release. I have created a new Wiki page for my findings. Please see [1] for an overview and the details of how to create patch files. Note that I have concentrated on the Windows platform for the time being. This is cool. A few questions that I couldn't figure out from the wiki page: 1) How do you determine what files are changed? Is this done from comparing two fukk installs? From dependency analysis of the build? Manual analysis of the change logs and knowledge of dependencies? 2) Does it handle configuration/profile changes as well? For example, between 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 we changed the default for the check for updates setting. 3) You mention that the about box was not updated. Is that just a simple bug? Or a limitation of the approach? 4) How error-prone is this approach? By this I mean how much testing would be required before we release an upgrade installer in addition to a full installer? Are there any issues with binary compatibility with dynamic libraries, etc.? -Rob My results for the impatient: 1. I have written a Perl script with which I have created a Windows Installer MSP patch file that updates an installed Apache OpenOffice 3.4 to 3.4.1. Its size is roughly a tenth of the full installation package. There are some minor problems, like the about box still displaying 3.4 as current version in the first line. The second line is OK. 2. There is already some support for the creation of patch files in the make_installer.pl script but this functionality is inactive. It is not triggered by the makefile in module instsetoo_native/ and therefore I can not say whether it would still work. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Building_installation_packages Best regards, Andre
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC. The PPMC has no chair. I suppose the updated graduation resolution would need to be balloted here. Then the IPMC can vote on it on their list for graduation. Also, all of the things that a PPMC is supposed to have been done need to be checked off somewhere - on the podling status page, I expect. Meanwhile ... Different question. I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. There was no intention to delay. The work was considered done after consensus been made here that we will take the slow approach. There are a couple of options to solve this. But let's wait till it is confirmed as a blocker of the graduation. BTW - Large software grants go through the incubator. TLPs do this. [1] I think that not clearing the Symphony grant might be a graduation problem for some on the IPMC. It will certainly be discussed. Regards, Dave [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 04:45 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation Hi, we made good progress towards graduation and I would like to discuss the next steps. - we have selected the initial PMC roster - we have selected a PMC chair (vote finished, result summary out standing but we have a clear vote for Andrea Pescetti) - graduation resolution already updated with PMC roster and preliminary with the PMC chair Next steps to reach potentially the October board meeting: - start IPMC vote, who will trigger this? Should it or have it be triggered by the new PMC chair? I hope we can start this IPMC vote on Tuesday or Wednesday latest. Anything else we need? Juergen -- Regards Yong Lin Ma
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
IMO- whatever Symphony code is in svn right now does not constitute a blocking licensing issue for graduation. Obviously you will need to deal with the licensing prior to issuing any releases based on that code, but there are plenty of IBM people who are committers capable of changing the license headers at any time prior. HTH From: Yong Lin Ma mayo...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC. The PPMC has no chair. I suppose the updated graduation resolution would need to be balloted here. Then the IPMC can vote on it on their list for graduation. Also, all of the things that a PPMC is supposed to have been done need to be checked off somewhere - on the podling status page, I expect. Meanwhile ... Different question. I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. There was no intention to delay. The work was considered done after consensus been made here that we will take the slow approach. There are a couple of options to solve this. But let's wait till it is confirmed as a blocker of the graduation. BTW - Large software grants go through the incubator. TLPs do this. [1] I think that not clearing the Symphony grant might be a graduation problem for some on the IPMC. It will certainly be discussed. Regards, Dave [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 04:45 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation Hi, we made good progress towards graduation and I would like to discuss the next steps. - we have selected the initial PMC roster - we have selected a PMC chair (vote finished, result summary out standing but we have a clear vote for Andrea Pescetti) - graduation resolution already updated with PMC roster and preliminary with the PMC chair Next steps to reach potentially the October board meeting: - start IPMC vote, who will trigger this? Should it or have it be triggered by the new PMC chair? I hope we can start this IPMC vote on Tuesday or Wednesday latest. Anything else we need? Juergen -- Regards Yong Lin Ma
Re: Draft Blog Post: Calling all Consultants
A thought about target audience: If the post addresses consultants, users should perhaps be referred to in the third person... But in some cases, with larger, customized deployments, migrations, more complex requirements, etc., you might need some extra help, some professional expertise to help you get where you want to go. - But in some cases, with larger, customized deployments, migrations, more complex requirements, etc., users might need some extra help, some professional expertise to help them get where they want to go. Don On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Was this a typo? Note: At Apache we never play for development, and we do not recommend or endorse specific consultants. pay-play? Yes, it should be pay. Thanks, -Rob On 10/8/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=calling_all_openoffice_consultants Comments are welcome. -Rob -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Installation patches
Hi Andre; This initiative is hugely important. Thanks for working on it. From: Andre Fischer ... Hi, In the last days I looked into how to create installation patches for updating AOO. Using patches instead of full installation packages would lead to smaller files to distribute for updating AOO on the next release. I have created a new Wiki page for my findings. Please see [1] for an overview and the details of how to create patch files. Note that I have concentrated on the Windows platform for the time being. My results for the impatient: 1. I have written a Perl script with which I have created a Windows Installer MSP patch file that updates an installed Apache OpenOffice 3.4 to 3.4.1. Its size is roughly a tenth of the full installation package. There are some minor problems, like the about box still displaying 3.4 as current version in the first line. The second line is OK. 2. There is already some support for the creation of patch files in the make_installer.pl script but this functionality is inactive. It is not triggered by the makefile in module instsetoo_native/ and therefore I can not say whether it would still work. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Building_installation_packages Best regards, Andre By far the Windows case is most important. I will add here some notes on how it's done on FreeBSD (and optionally linux). Normal installation files: For FreeBSD we don't use either .rpm or .deb format: we have epm generate general archive files. These are later untarred and the ports system takes care of re-tarring into our native pkg format (actually just a tar file with package listing). As you can imagine generating packages takes a lot of time: it involves extracting and repackaging.: it would be nice to have a raw mode that just installs things and let our ports/packaging system take over. Updates: FreeBSD will be transitioning RSN to the new pkgng format which takes care of dependencies and updates in third party packages. I haven't looked at it in detail but it is considered ready for prime time and has been tested extensively. For the base system we have a system in place which uses bsdiff: http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ This would be very useful to release binary patches for security fixes or minor updates. Google chrome used this same mechanism and later enhanced it into Courgette: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/software-updates-courgette hth, Pedro.
Re: Installation patches
On 09.10.2012 15:58, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In the last days I looked into how to create installation patches for updating AOO. Using patches instead of full installation packages would lead to smaller files to distribute for updating AOO on the next release. I have created a new Wiki page for my findings. Please see [1] for an overview and the details of how to create patch files. Note that I have concentrated on the Windows platform for the time being. This is cool. A few questions that I couldn't figure out from the wiki page: 1) How do you determine what files are changed? Is this done from comparing two fukk installs? From dependency analysis of the build? Manual analysis of the change logs and knowledge of dependencies? This is done by the MsiMsp.exe tool from the Windows Installer SDK. It is fed with two msi files, the one that is to be updated (eg AOO 3.4) and the new target version (eg AOO 3.4.1). The files lists contained in the msi files have the necessary information. The comparison of the two file lists and diffing files that belong to both lists is the reason why MsiMsp.exe takes a couple of minutes to run. 2) Does it handle configuration/profile changes as well? For example, between 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 we changed the default for the check for updates setting. It can do that. From what I read in the documentation, an msp file can basically change everything that is installed by an msi file. But I don't know if the msp file that I created in my experiments did that. 3) You mention that the about box was not updated. Is that just a simple bug? Or a limitation of the approach? The about box was partially updated. I don't know why, yet. Might by that the version number in the first line (the one that did not change) was read from the Windows registry and that I created an msp file as small update, which would not change the ProductVersion of the installed AOO. So, probably a bug and not a limitation of the approach, but I am not sure. 4) How error-prone is this approach? By this I mean how much testing would be required before we release an upgrade installer in addition to a full installer? If we are lucky then we make a binary comparison between the files of an installed and a patched office and find no differences. Then we have to compare the Windows registry keys associated with AOO. If we find no differences either then we need no further testing. I would expect the binary equality of installed and patched AOOs but not 100% equality of registry keys. With differences only in registry keys we may be able to reduce additional testing to those parts of AOO that are influenced by the registry. Are there any issues with binary compatibility with dynamic libraries, etc.? I am not sure what you mean by that. The MSP contains the files from the target version that either do not exist or are different in the original version. After applying the patch the set of files in the AOO installation directory should be identical to a full install. I found some hints that an MSP can be reduced in size by including binary diffs for files that exist in both the old and the target version. But even then the patched office should be identical to the full install. I know that there are still too many ifs and shoulds. I am still piecing together information from different sources regarding the fine details of the Windows patch mechanism. Any help is welcome. -Andre -Rob My results for the impatient: 1. I have written a Perl script with which I have created a Windows Installer MSP patch file that updates an installed Apache OpenOffice 3.4 to 3.4.1. Its size is roughly a tenth of the full installation package. There are some minor problems, like the about box still displaying 3.4 as current version in the first line. The second line is OK. 2. There is already some support for the creation of patch files in the make_installer.pl script but this functionality is inactive. It is not triggered by the makefile in module instsetoo_native/ and therefore I can not say whether it would still work. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Building_installation_packages Best regards, Andre
Re: Installation patches
On 09.10.2012 16:59, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hi Andre; This initiative is hugely important. Thanks for working on it. From: Andre Fischer ... Hi, In the last days I looked into how to create installation patches for updating AOO. Using patches instead of full installation packages would lead to smaller files to distribute for updating AOO on the next release. I have created a new Wiki page for my findings. Please see [1] for an overview and the details of how to create patch files. Note that I have concentrated on the Windows platform for the time being. My results for the impatient: 1. I have written a Perl script with which I have created a Windows Installer MSP patch file that updates an installed Apache OpenOffice 3.4 to 3.4.1. Its size is roughly a tenth of the full installation package. There are some minor problems, like the about box still displaying 3.4 as current version in the first line. The second line is OK. 2. There is already some support for the creation of patch files in the make_installer.pl script but this functionality is inactive. It is not triggered by the makefile in module instsetoo_native/ and therefore I can not say whether it would still work. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Building_installation_packages Best regards, Andre By far the Windows case is most important. I will add here some notes on how it's done on FreeBSD (and optionally linux). Normal installation files: For FreeBSD we don't use either .rpm or .deb format: we have epm generate general archive files. These are later untarred and the ports system takes care of re-tarring into our native pkg format (actually just a tar file with package listing). This sounds much like .deb packages (ar archive that contains two tar archives), only that the suffix is still tgz. As you can imagine generating packages takes a lot of time: it involves extracting and repackaging.: it would be nice to have a raw mode that just installs things and let our ports/packaging system take over. I am not sure what you mean. Updates: FreeBSD will be transitioning RSN to the new pkgng format which takes care of dependencies and updates in third party packages. I haven't looked at it in detail but it is considered ready for prime time and has been tested extensively. For the base system we have a system in place which uses bsdiff: http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ This would be very useful to release binary patches for security fixes or minor updates. Google chrome used this same mechanism and later enhanced it into Courgette: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/software-updates-courgette I looked at that before I realized that msimsp.exe is already handling the comparison of (binary) files and possibly the creation of binary diffs (but probably not as good as either bsdiff or courgette. -Andre hth, Pedro.
Re: Installation patches
From: Andre Fischer ... As you can imagine generating packages takes a lot of time: it involves extracting and repackaging.: it would be nice to have a raw mode that just installs things and let our ports/packaging system take over. I am not sure what you mean. I meant that would be nice to have a way to specify make install that just installs the files without going through intermediate installation sets. We also don't need EPM to generate tar files. This is completely unrelated to the update mechanism though. Updates: FreeBSD will be transitioning RSN to the new pkgng format which takes care of dependencies and updates in third party packages. I haven't looked at it in detail but it is considered ready for prime time and has been tested extensively. For the base system we have a system in place which uses bsdiff: http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ This would be very useful to release binary patches for security fixes or minor updates. Google chrome used this same mechanism and later enhanced it into Courgette: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/software-updates-courgette I looked at that before I realized that msimsp.exe is already handling the comparison of (binary) files and possibly the creation of binary diffs (but probably not as good as either bsdiff or courgette. Linux and OS X don't have msimsp.exe though, so maybe that's why Chrome invented Courgette ;). Using the native facilities for Windows is fine and that solves more than 80% of the problem so it sounds like you are on the right track. Pedro.
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi Rob, Rob Weir schrieb: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:17:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. I was planning on getting the word out on the new list. I can include the forums, ooo-dev, ooo-users. Also, I was going to work with Roberto to see if we can send a note out to the existing extension authors via SourceForge. Please include ooo-announce too. On the website I'll add to: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html Done. Any place else? Maybe update this page: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ ?? (It looks like it needs many updates. Perhaps something we can discuss on the new mailing list!) Done. On http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development because it is the first result item, if you search for OpenOffice extension development. Done. Next step the mailing lists. -Rob Kind regards Regina
Re: Draft Blog Post: Calling all Consultants
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: A thought about target audience: If the post addresses consultants, users should perhaps be referred to in the third person... Good observation. Thanks. I've updated. -Rob But in some cases, with larger, customized deployments, migrations, more complex requirements, etc., you might need some extra help, some professional expertise to help you get where you want to go. - But in some cases, with larger, customized deployments, migrations, more complex requirements, etc., users might need some extra help, some professional expertise to help them get where they want to go. Don On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Was this a typo? Note: At Apache we never play for development, and we do not recommend or endorse specific consultants. pay-play? Yes, it should be pay. Thanks, -Rob On 10/8/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=calling_all_openoffice_consultants Comments are welcome. -Rob -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
Besides the concerns of the IPMC over toxic IPR in the SVN for an extended time, the greatest difficulty I see is that no one on the project can touch this code or work on merging any useful bits until the IPR cleanup happens. At the moment, it appears that the entire Symphony subdirectory on the OOO SVN is untouchable. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 23:36 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. BTW - Large software grants go through the incubator. TLPs do this. [1] I think that not clearing the Symphony grant might be a graduation problem for some on the IPMC. It will certainly be discussed. Regards, Dave [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html [ ... ]
RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
@Rob, Yes, please arrange to have that permission provided to the ASF, so that anyone ASF designates can make the changes. I suspect that will come to the [P]PMC to be accountable for its accomplishment. It would be helpful if the permission allows removal of the IBM Copyright notice or some other simplification that removes the limitations in the current notice. Specifying any notice that IBM requires for acknowledging the presence of code contributed by IBM would be useful. - Dennis MORE DETAILS I don't allow myself to get very deep into code that does not have permissive licenses, but I can see from looking at notices in the Symphony contribution that the task will be an interesting one. Apart from code that is customized to Symphony, there is a significant quantity of Sun LGPLed material that duplicates what may be since-maintained code already in AOOi and under ALv2. This part of the scrubbing will be an interesting challenge when the corresponding file in AOO is more-recent and contains changes not in the Symphony version. This text file lays it out quite clearly: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/symphony/trunk/README If the idea is to keep the Symphony branch buildable or at least to have the improvements in Symphony still functional, there has to be some degree of replacement of Symphony code with the corresponding code on ooo/trunk or at least one of the stable ooo/tags/AOO34x. That takes care of the LGPL bits. If there is also code originating in a CWS that is not integrated into the AOO SVN, that will need to be dealt with too. Finally, dealing with the additional IBM Copyright notices and changes where there is no substitute in AOO ALv2 code should proceed in the usual manner of SGA IPR cleanup. Then determining merges into AOO can proceed. This is a significant undertaking that would have also been required if AOO were rebased on Symphony, rather than the course the project has taken. I think it is further evidence for the prudence of the chosen course, which did not disrupt a steady progression of AOO[i] releases. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 05:57 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC. The PPMC has no chair. I suppose the updated graduation resolution would need to be balloted here. Then the IPMC can vote on it on their list for graduation. Also, all of the things that a PPMC is supposed to have been done need to be checked off somewhere - on the podling status page, I expect. Meanwhile ... Different question. I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? If you recall we had a discussion a while ago on what to do with the Symphony code. One proposal was to adopt it as the new trunk and move quickly to releasing it. Another was to merge it into the trunk, a much slower process. The consensus was to do the slow merge. So the Symphony SGA did not impact the AOO 3.4.0 or AOO 3.4.1 releases. But it will impact future releases beyond any 3.4.x maintenance release. So, we'll need to take care of the IP Clearance as part of the next major release. Where in that cycle it is done is debatable. But certainly the RAT scans will ensure we don't release any code with incorrect headers. And we should add an explicit check list item for the next release that go through the other IP Clearance items. Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. If you feel this is something you really want to work on right now I'm sure we can arrange to give you the needed
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: Besides the concerns of the IPMC over toxic IPR in the SVN for an extended time, the greatest difficulty I see is that no one on the project can touch this code or work on merging any useful bits until the IPR cleanup happens. At the moment, it appears that the entire Symphony subdirectory on the OOO SVN is untouchable. Dennis, your use of inflammatory language like toxic is not helpful. The only parts that are of interest to this project are the IBM enhancements and new features, and these are all under ALv2 per the SGA. The legacy OpenOffice.org stuff, with LGPL headers, is irrelevant. What we have is contributed code that is sitting in a segregated tree, entirely separate from the product code, awaiting IP clearance. This is within the process. If you or any one else wants the process to go faster I'd be happy to suggest ways to help. And as I said before, I'm also happy to delete this tree, if anyone thinks it is a problem. -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 23:36 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. BTW - Large software grants go through the incubator. TLPs do this. [1] I think that not clearing the Symphony grant might be a graduation problem for some on the IPMC. It will certainly be discussed. Regards, Dave [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html [ ... ]
Re: Interested to Work
Hi Pavan, pawan kumar schrieb: Hi, I am interested in working with Open Office projects and want to fix some bugs..or update some documentation tasks. So, please let me in and share any necessary information. Welcome to the project! If you will work on the code, you first need a build. You find information on http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO. Depending on your experience, getting a build might be a non trivial task. So please be patient and ask, ask, ask. It took me a whole week to get my first build. If you want to update documentations, you need developer snapshots to try out what is new. Currently you get them from build bots from http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/. In addition some community members upload their build to http://people.apache.org, search for ~arielch and for ~jsc. Sometimes more complete builds are made. Those are on https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds The builds are marked with a revision number of the latest commit they include. What is your area of interest? Writer, Base, Draw, Calc, or ...? Kind regards Regina
Re: Marketing events
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: OOo had a substantial community marketing project with community members attending key events. How do we improve on that now with AOO? We have an ooo-marketing (cc'ed) mailing list with 113 subscribers. So it shows that there is some interest in the subject. You may have seen Andrea's note about Fosdem and getting a space there. Maybe it would help to start a wiki page (or maybe one already exists?) where we can list upcoming events, prioritize them and see if they can be staffed by volunteers. That still leaves the logistics of travel expenses, etc., but starting with a concrete list of possibilities is at least a start. -Rob -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: Policy question: How to link to books about OpenOffice?
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-10-08, at 17:24 , Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I'm hesitant to just list every book that is published. ... List them only when requested (like we do with consultants)? This is probably the best option. List them but screen out ones that we consider to be low value, e.g., an identical reprint of a free eBook? We have lazy consensus in place for consultants and the same would apply here: if someone believes that a submitted entry is problematic, or that another book should be listed instead of the submitted one, he can just speak up. Regards, Andrea. What I did before was what can be done better now, to have the author or his/her agent either request listing or list it, and to permit this only within the stipulated constraints of relevance, inoffensiveness, etc. I've added a paragraph to the top telling authors and publishers how they can send titles for possible inclusion: http://www.openoffice.org/support/books.html Still needs some work to de-uglify the page, but that is a task for another day. -Rob I think this is perfectly adequate for now. Thanks. Louis -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
I'm sorry, Rob. Those files are toxic *for me*. I can't touch them in their present state. I also don't want to read them in their present state until the provenance and permissive licensing is dealt with. What is irrelevant for you is not irrelevant for me. And you're not my lawyer. Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? - Dennis PS: I was asked, shortly after AOO incubation started, why I did not contribute to LibreOffice. My response to that private question was that I do contribute at a level that does not require my working with the LibreOffice code. As a permissive-license open-source developer I have no interest in possible contamination of my own work by knowledge of something under LGPL, GPL, any other reciprocal license and in particular anything that is proprietary. (I avoid the proprietary problem by not signing NDAs unless they are reciprocal and it is something I have no difficulty keeping in confidence.) [Full disclosure: To be accurate, I did contribute one (unused) patch to LibreOffice and I also provided private review of a patch that has been released in LibreOffice for reducing the information leakage and ease of known-plaintext attacks on encrypted (save with Password) ODF files. I also realize that I could privately rely on Symphony code, but I could not produce anything based on it since I can't provide sanitary provenance. Sanitary provenance is a standard I must satisfy for myself.] -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 09:14 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: Besides the concerns of the IPMC over toxic IPR in the SVN for an extended time, the greatest difficulty I see is that no one on the project can touch this code or work on merging any useful bits until the IPR cleanup happens. At the moment, it appears that the entire Symphony subdirectory on the OOO SVN is untouchable. Dennis, your use of inflammatory language like toxic is not helpful. The only parts that are of interest to this project are the IBM enhancements and new features, and these are all under ALv2 per the SGA. The legacy OpenOffice.org stuff, with LGPL headers, is irrelevant. What we have is contributed code that is sitting in a segregated tree, entirely separate from the product code, awaiting IP clearance. This is within the process. If you or any one else wants the process to go faster I'd be happy to suggest ways to help. And as I said before, I'm also happy to delete this tree, if anyone thinks it is a problem. -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 23:36 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be? Whoever it is should be doing it already. There is no excuse to delay. BTW - Large software grants go through the incubator. TLPs do this. [1] I think that not clearing the Symphony grant might be a graduation problem for some on the IPMC. It will certainly be discussed. Regards, Dave [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html [ ... ]
Re: ApacheconEU2012
Dear Catriona, to reiterate the concerns that others had here before. We're not yet understanding if you are applying for a travel subsidy (up to 600 Euro) or a ticket discount of 100 Euro. The latter doesn't seem be relevant for you. You may purchase a student ticket at http://www.apachecon.eu/tickets/. For the former (travel subsidy), please send us all information required by the original announcement: --- Original Announcement --- we are pleased to announce the following funding to subsidize the travel expenses of AOO community members attending the ApacheCon EU 2012. For up to 10 AOO community members we are providing a travel expense subsidy of about 300,00 EUR respectively 600,00 EUR. You need to apply for the travel expense subsidy by sending an email to the public mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org until 2012-10-12, 12:00 (Central European time, GMT+2). The subject of this email have to be [ACEU 2012 - travel subsidy] YourName. In the content of the email please fill the following fields: - full name - email address - affiliation to the OpenOffice community (something like: committer, user, contributing X, translator, ...) - Apache ID (if available) - accepted or stand-by speaker at ACEU? - description why applying for the ticket discount and why support is needed - job or eduation status (something like: student, employee, freeflancer, ...) - estimated travel expense - estimated needed accommodation - # of nights - other available funding (something like: corporate, ACEU - TAC, ...) - applying for 300,00 EUR or 600,00 EUR? Your travel expenses must be at least 300,00 EUR resp. 600,00 EUR and you are expecting to stay for at least two nights. If you are getting a corporate funding or the ApacheCon EU TAC funding, your application will not be considered. A selection committee will decide on the applications and is aiming to send out notifications until 2012-10-16. If your application has been accepted you need to confirm your travel expenses, your ACEU attendance and the lack of a corporate or TAC funding at the ApacheCon EU 2012. Afterwards you will receive the money via wire transfer from the ASF treasurer. --- End Original Announcement --- Best regards, Peter On 10/5/2012 7:47 AM, catriona wrote: Dear sir/Madam, My name is Catriona White, I am currently a full-time student in South Australia. I am a Apache Open Office community member and recently received an invitation to attend the Conference in Sinsheim, Germany. As I am a student my finances are slight, so I am applying for support to attend the conference on the 5th-8th November. Please consider my request for a ticket discount as I would love to travel to Germany for the conference. Yours Sincerely, Catriona White mobile 0427253391
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: I'm sorry, Rob. Those files are toxic *for me*. I can't touch them in their present state. I also don't want to read them in their present state until the provenance and permissive licensing is dealt with. The files are covered by an SGA, checked in by an IBM employee covered by an iCLA and a CCLA. That is a triple assurance. If the only thing that is holding you back from being productive with these files is the copyright header, then I'll make an extra effort to see if I can help you there. I wouldn't want you to be blocked for the lack of this.But I really wish you would have mentioned this before the day we're proposing graduation. The contribution of Symphony was made months ago. What is irrelevant for you is not irrelevant for me. And you're not my lawyer. Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? No, I'm serious. If this is a blocking issue for anyone, I'm willing, able and happy to delete. I wouldn't want anyone concerned about toxic files in SVN. When Pedro had concerns with the Cat-b files in SVN he was praised for his axe. I'm just offering to use mine as well. -Rob - Dennis PS: I was asked, shortly after AOO incubation started, why I did not contribute to LibreOffice. My response to that private question was that I do contribute at a level that does not require my working with the LibreOffice code. As a permissive-license open-source developer I have no interest in possible contamination of my own work by knowledge of something under LGPL, GPL, any other reciprocal license and in particular anything that is proprietary. (I avoid the proprietary problem by not signing NDAs unless they are reciprocal and it is something I have no difficulty keeping in confidence.) [Full disclosure: To be accurate, I did contribute one (unused) patch to LibreOffice and I also provided private review of a patch that has been released in LibreOffice for reducing the information leakage and ease of known-plaintext attacks on encrypted (save with Password) ODF files. I also realize that I could privately rely on Symphony code, but I could not produce anything based on it since I can't provide sanitary provenance. Sanitary provenance is a standard I must satisfy for myself.] -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 09:14 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: Besides the concerns of the IPMC over toxic IPR in the SVN for an extended time, the greatest difficulty I see is that no one on the project can touch this code or work on merging any useful bits until the IPR cleanup happens. At the moment, it appears that the entire Symphony subdirectory on the OOO SVN is untouchable. Dennis, your use of inflammatory language like toxic is not helpful. The only parts that are of interest to this project are the IBM enhancements and new features, and these are all under ALv2 per the SGA. The legacy OpenOffice.org stuff, with LGPL headers, is irrelevant. What we have is contributed code that is sitting in a segregated tree, entirely separate from the product code, awaiting IP clearance. This is within the process. If you or any one else wants the process to go faster I'd be happy to suggest ways to help. And as I said before, I'm also happy to delete this tree, if anyone thinks it is a problem. -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 23:36 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected that something be done about that? There are files that are - still under Sun LGPL license, - some that add an IBM License and copyright under private license - some that claim an IBM Copyright and provide no license whatsoever, although there is a notice concerning government use Yes, this needs to be cleaned up before any of this is part of a release. But it is not a graduation issue. Remember, an SGA may come from anywhere, at any time, before graduation or after graduation. This is blessing, not a problem. But the code does need to be reviewed and brought in line with policy before it can be part of a release. It is still work that ought to be done sooner rather than later. And the header work should be done by someone from IBM. Who might that be?
RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
I don't think deleting the files of the Symphony contribution is a constructive step. Cleaning up the IPR will work for everyone. When can the ASF expect the letter from IBM that you have offered to request? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:30 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation [ ... ] Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? No, I'm serious. If this is a blocking issue for anyone, I'm willing, able and happy to delete. I wouldn't want anyone concerned about toxic files in SVN. When Pedro had concerns with the Cat-b files in SVN he was praised for his axe. I'm just offering to use mine as well. -Rob [ ... ]
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: I don't think deleting the files of the Symphony contribution is a constructive step. You overstate things. There is no IPR issue here. The IPR is set by the SGA. The question is about updating headers, which neither adds nor subtracts any rights anyone has with respect to these files. It is documentation work that should be done, yes. But let's not make it something it is not. Cleaning up the IPR will work for everyone. And indeed it will be done, per the process, before this code is included in a release. When can the ASF expect the letter from IBM that you have offered to request? When I know I'll post that info. -Rob - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:30 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation [ ... ] Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? No, I'm serious. If this is a blocking issue for anyone, I'm willing, able and happy to delete. I wouldn't want anyone concerned about toxic files in SVN. When Pedro had concerns with the Cat-b files in SVN he was praised for his axe. I'm just offering to use mine as well. -Rob [ ... ]
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
Hello; - Original Message - From: Rob Weir ... On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: I'm sorry, Rob. Those files are toxic *for me*. I can't touch them in their present state. I also don't want to read them in their present state until the provenance and permissive licensing is dealt with. The files are covered by an SGA, checked in by an IBM employee covered by an iCLA and a CCLA. That is a triple assurance. If the only thing that is holding you back from being productive with these files is the copyright header, then I'll make an extra effort to see if I can help you there. I wouldn't want you to be blocked for the lack of this. But I really wish you would have mentioned this before the day we're proposing graduation. The contribution of Symphony was made months ago. What is irrelevant for you is not irrelevant for me. And you're not my lawyer. Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? No, I'm serious. If this is a blocking issue for anyone, I'm willing, able and happy to delete. I wouldn't want anyone concerned about toxic files in SVN. When Pedro had concerns with the Cat-b files in SVN he was praised for his axe. I'm just offering to use mine as well. -Rob Who praised my axe? I recall *you* threatened to veto it :-P. And now that you bring back the issue, I still think the cat-B files have to be deleted *before* graduation. The Symphony code is not relevant because none of it belongs to a release yet. I do tend to agree that the code is only for reference and only IBM can merge stuff. Pedro. ps. so far I have been the only one doing merges from AOO to Symphony ;).
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
Volatility check, please, people. Don On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hello; - Original Message - From: Rob Weir ... On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: I'm sorry, Rob. Those files are toxic *for me*. I can't touch them in their present state. I also don't want to read them in their present state until the provenance and permissive licensing is dealt with. The files are covered by an SGA, checked in by an IBM employee covered by an iCLA and a CCLA. That is a triple assurance. If the only thing that is holding you back from being productive with these files is the copyright header, then I'll make an extra effort to see if I can help you there. I wouldn't want you to be blocked for the lack of this.But I really wish you would have mentioned this before the day we're proposing graduation. The contribution of Symphony was made months ago. What is irrelevant for you is not irrelevant for me. And you're not my lawyer. Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? No, I'm serious. If this is a blocking issue for anyone, I'm willing, able and happy to delete. I wouldn't want anyone concerned about toxic files in SVN. When Pedro had concerns with the Cat-b files in SVN he was praised for his axe. I'm just offering to use mine as well. -Rob Who praised my axe? I recall *you* threatened to veto it :-P. And now that you bring back the issue, I still think the cat-B files have to be deleted *before* graduation. The Symphony code is not relevant because none of it belongs to a release yet. I do tend to agree that the code is only for reference and only IBM can merge stuff. Pedro. ps. so far I have been the only one doing merges from AOO to Symphony ;).
Re: [CODE] gmake and AOO build system
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: re 2: This looks like a serious problem. Without understanding the goal of these changes, it is hard to come up with a fix. ause130 migrated udkapi to gbuild... looks like you picked up udpaki: empty d.list by Michaerl Stahl without picking up the patches that actually do the migration to gbuild: ause130: #i117218# * (4 patches by Hans-Joachim Lankenau) Norbert
Re: Marketing events
On 9 October 2012 18:00, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/9/12, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: OOo had a substantial community marketing project with community members attending key events. How do we improve on that now with AOO? I remember one of the last activities before OOo was forked and most operations came to a halt, was building a collection of 'approved events'. we rate them as how strategically important for the marketing plan was, and how much support it would get from the previous marketing budget. FOSDEM was one of them, as well as OSWC and Latinoware to mention a few. We also thought about having dedicated speakers since they were repeatably asked to give talks in their regions and were considered as the OpenOffice.org guy in the FLOSS community. I am not sure how this activity goes for or against things done on Apache Way. But It was one of the ideas of the new Marketing Plan (which also was halted). I think there were some policies on the way the money would be spent such as, we could fund up to 50%, and only for traveling and hosting (no food or drinks). Other rules were still being put in place. Before getting into too much detail, what about Louis' suggestion of a marketing entity that could raise money outside the scope of ASF? Of course there is nothing to stop anyone setting up such an entity, the question is the relationship with AOO as part of ASF. The view I have held for a long time is that some sort of liquid assets even if a relatively small amount would have a disproportionate effect when it comes to marketing and dissemination. I'm just not clear how that fits with the Apache Way if at all. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hello; - Original Message - From: Rob Weir ... On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: I'm sorry, Rob. Those files are toxic *for me*. I can't touch them in their present state. I also don't want to read them in their present state until the provenance and permissive licensing is dealt with. The files are covered by an SGA, checked in by an IBM employee covered by an iCLA and a CCLA. That is a triple assurance. If the only thing that is holding you back from being productive with these files is the copyright header, then I'll make an extra effort to see if I can help you there. I wouldn't want you to be blocked for the lack of this.But I really wish you would have mentioned this before the day we're proposing graduation. The contribution of Symphony was made months ago. What is irrelevant for you is not irrelevant for me. And you're not my lawyer. Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? No, I'm serious. If this is a blocking issue for anyone, I'm willing, able and happy to delete. I wouldn't want anyone concerned about toxic files in SVN. When Pedro had concerns with the Cat-b files in SVN he was praised for his axe. I'm just offering to use mine as well. -Rob Who praised my axe? I recall *you* threatened to veto it :-P. Yes, I did. And I've learned from my error. So in this case I'd seek lazy consensus first ;-) And now that you bring back the issue, I still think the cat-B files have to be deleted *before* graduation. Are there some still that you want to delete? Is anything stopping you? Is there a BZ issue for this? The Symphony code is not relevant because none of it belongs to a release yet. I do tend to agree that the code is only for reference and only IBM can merge stuff. There is some truth to that. When we agreed to merge the code slowly rather than rebasing it on Symphony, we turned this into a merge problem where only a subset of committers have knowledge, from their previous work, of what the interesting parts of the code to merge are. This is not a license issue, but just the practical reality of the who has the knowledge. The equally practical question we might ask ourselves is whether we want these engineers merging code into a tree that we'll actually be releasing, or spending their time updating headers in a tree that we will not be releasing? That is the prime reason for suggesting that we just delete the code if anyone thinks it is a blocking issue. Obviously the engineers from the Symphony team would still have access to this code and could continue their merging, piece by piece, all covered by their iCLA's and the IBM CCLA. Pedro. ps. so far I have been the only one doing merges from AOO to Symphony ;). That is an odd direction to go, don't you think? -Rob
Re: Marketing events
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2012 18:00, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/9/12, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: OOo had a substantial community marketing project with community members attending key events. How do we improve on that now with AOO? I remember one of the last activities before OOo was forked and most operations came to a halt, was building a collection of 'approved events'. we rate them as how strategically important for the marketing plan was, and how much support it would get from the previous marketing budget. FOSDEM was one of them, as well as OSWC and Latinoware to mention a few. We also thought about having dedicated speakers since they were repeatably asked to give talks in their regions and were considered as the OpenOffice.org guy in the FLOSS community. I am not sure how this activity goes for or against things done on Apache Way. But It was one of the ideas of the new Marketing Plan (which also was halted). I think there were some policies on the way the money would be spent such as, we could fund up to 50%, and only for traveling and hosting (no food or drinks). Other rules were still being put in place. Before getting into too much detail, what about Louis' suggestion of a marketing entity that could raise money outside the scope of ASF? Of course there is nothing to stop anyone setting up such an entity, the question is the relationship with AOO as part of ASF. The view I have held for a long time is that some sort of liquid assets even if a relatively small amount would have a disproportionate effect when it comes to marketing and dissemination. I'm just not clear how that fits with the Apache Way if at all. Some quick ideas: What exactly do we need to raise money for? Let's be sure it is not already available with Apache. If it is event-oriented, it is good idea to check on the ConCom lists. Have we availed ourselves of all the free marketing opportunities we have? Why are we leaping to outside fundraising before writing blog posts? Webinars? Why set up an outside marketing organization when we have a magazine interview request that we have not yet responded to? If we're not making optimal use of free, I wonder if we would make good use of not-free? If there is something specific we need, maybe we can get it donated to the ASF? It would be a very rare open source even that did not have at least one Apache member present. Maybe there is an opportunity to share space at a table and reduce costs? Maybe we can help another project be represented at a conference where it is easy and cheap for one of our volunteers to attend, in return for them helping represent AOO at a conference we are not able to make? For 3rd party fundraising, we would need to tread very carefully here, in terms of trademark use, avoiding appearance of affiliation or endorsement, etc. We can't have an outside group raising and spending money on behalf of an ASF project, claiming to speak for the ASF project at conferences, using a name that suggests affiliation with the ASF project, especially an exclusive relation, etc. So I have serious doubts that an outside organization, with these constraints, would have much luck raising funds. -Rob -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: [RESULT][VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
Am 10/09/2012 12:27 AM, schrieb Andrew Rist: The Vote started on 2012-10-04 has ended. Results: Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) - 28 (24 PPMC + 2 Committers + 2 Community) Drew Jensen (atjensen) - 3 (3 PPMC) There were no other votes cast. The PPMC has approved Andrea Pescetti for PMC Chair Apache OpenOffice PMC This can now be added to the TLP resolution for AOO. congratulations to you, Andrea. :-) Marcus
Re: [CHECKSUMS MAC OS] Need help to check and fix the instructions for the ASC and KEYS hashes on Mac OS
Am 10/09/2012 10:25 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 10/8/12 8:59 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 10/08/2012 11:05 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 10/5/12 9:23 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 10/05/2012 09:57 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 10/4/12 10:33 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Hi Mac fans, as I've no Mac at hand please can someone help me with verifing and fixing the checksum instructions: http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums/3.4.1_checksums.html#howto This is how you verify with ASC and KEYS hashes on Mac OS A user has reported a problem with the following line: KEYID=0x`... (see IZ 121159 for reference) Thanks in advance why so complicate? I am no gpg guru but I thought it should be enough to I simply collected what I've found in the Internet. 1. import the official KEYS as you have described 2. gpg --verify Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_MacOS_x86_install_en-GB.dmg.asc Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_MacOS_x86_install_en-GB.dmg Result if it's ok: gpg: Signature made Mon Aug 13 15:47:11 2012 CEST using RSA key ID ABABABAB gpg: Good signature from Juergen Schmidtx...@xxx.com gpg: aka Juergen Schmidty...@yyy.com gpg: aka Juergen Schmidtv...@vvv.org Result if it's a bad signature: gpg: Signature made Mon Aug 13 15:47:11 2012 CEST using RSA key ID ABABABAB gpg: BAD signature from Juergen Schmidtx...@xxx.com Interesting, at least on Linux I've to do all the steps listed in the Linux section. So, you don't have to do this on Mac OS? A simple gpg --verify KEYS is enough to get a Good ... or Bad ... result? I am not sure if I understand you here, I verified the *.asc file with the original file. So, the question is, how? Please be as detailed possible, I've no chance to reproduce. ;-) I would expect that this works on all platforms more or less in the same way. OK, to make it simple. The following commands do not work on Linux: $ wget http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/KEYS $ gpg --import KEYS $ gpg --verify install_binary.tar.gz.asc install_binary.tar.gz Does this work on MacOS X? If not please help me to get it working. the problem is that the file http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/KEYS contains only 2 keys, Rob's and my key. oh right, this cannot work on Linux as these builds are not from you or Rob but from Ariel. Please try it with https://people.apache.org/keys/group/ooo.asc The ooo.asc file will updated automatically via id.apache.org if people maintain their data there as far as I know Great. Now I get the Good signature ... result also on Linux. Thanks a lot Jürgen. :-) Marcus
Re: Marketing events
On 12-10-09, at 15:07 , Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: For 3rd party fundraising, we would need to tread very carefully here, in terms of trademark use, avoiding appearance of affiliation or endorsement, etc. We can't have an outside group raising and spending money on behalf of an ASF project, claiming to speak for the ASF project at conferences, using a name that suggests affiliation with the ASF project, especially an exclusive relation, etc. So I have serious doubts that an outside organization, with these constraints, would have much luck raising funds. Fun to be snarky here. But I'll refrain. We've gone over this terrain before, as Ian pointed out. We can manage the care and details. The point I wanted to make related to the relation between AOO/Apache and the entity. Louis
Re: [RELEASE] milestone build (Was: [RELEASE] 3.5, 4.0, fixpack, milestone build...)
Am 10/09/2012 03:58 AM, schrieb Shenfeng Liu: 2012/10/9 Ariel Constenla-Hailearie...@apache.org Hi Jürgen, * On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 04:58:03PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: The build bots are still not build the same as we do for the binary releases (please correct me if I am wrong). Means as long as we don't have build bots which are building with the same configuration we should provide the builds manually in the same way we did it for the release. @Ariel, would that be ok for you fro now until we have a better solution? Yes, I will apply the set up described in https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119385 , that is, decreasing Linux system requirements to glibc 2.5 Any one is welcome to take any of the two architectures (building on Linux is multiplied by 4: rpm/deb, 32 and 64 bits; this counts on building time and uploading the packages); if not, I will take care of both. I will take care of Windows and MacOS. (2) How many language support can we get for this milestone build? Not necessary to be 100% translated, but can be a base for volunteers to verify the translation. We should include the languages that we have released and add all languages where we notice active volunteers who help us to support these further languages (eg. Polish, Danish, Scots Gaelic, ...) (3) The current development snapshot naming [a] is a little confusing to me. I wonder if we can change the naming to reflect the date of the build? I am not sure if understand you correct. The revision is a unique identifier and makes it clear what went in the snapshot. We probably upload the builds not all on the same day. Means I am not sure how a date can help here. I guess that besides the revision, milestone builds can be identified by their milestone number, which should be increased in every milestone build: AOO350m1 AOO350m2 etc just like in OOo times there was DEV300m105 DEV300m106 etc http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/DEV300m106_snapshot.html it could start now from DEV350m1 OK, I understand the revision now, and let's forget the date. And I agree with Ariel that a milestone number like AOO350m1 will be better when we promote it. I personally do not think we need to use mirror. But a download page that Marcus suggested will be good. Sure, the download page can point to the builds on the mirror system or the ASF people's directories (when the paths are unified then automatism is much easier). But when using the mirrors we could: - stear the timeframe how long a milestone should be online, - when to release the next dev build, - a simple point of downloadable dev builds, - and of course we can see how often which file was downloaded. To see if it's worth the efforts at all. So, I think we should try to distribute the dev builds via the mirror system. If we laster think that it doesn't make sense anymore then we can stop it. Marcus
Application Developers, you are invited to join the Apache OpenOffice API mailing list
We have a new mailing list in the OpenOffice project --- ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. The focus of this list is for discussions related to OpenOffice macros, scripting and extensions. All topics related to application development with OpenOffice are welcome, including questions, suggestions for app-dev features in future releases, or even to tell us about your latest great extension. To join the list you should send an email to: ooo-api-subscr...@incubator.apache.org and then respond to the confirmation email you will receive. I hope to see you there soon! Regards, -Rob
Re: Marketing events
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-10-09, at 15:07 , Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: For 3rd party fundraising, we would need to tread very carefully here, in terms of trademark use, avoiding appearance of affiliation or endorsement, etc. We can't have an outside group raising and spending money on behalf of an ASF project, claiming to speak for the ASF project at conferences, using a name that suggests affiliation with the ASF project, especially an exclusive relation, etc. So I have serious doubts that an outside organization, with these constraints, would have much luck raising funds. Fun to be snarky here. But I'll refrain. We've gone over this terrain before, as Ian pointed out. We can manage the care and details. The point I wanted to make related to the relation between AOO/Apache and the entity. Sorry if I was obscure. Let me be explicit. My suggestion is that there would be no relation. Or at least no more than there is between the ASF and a marketing department at IBM or the marketing department of any other corporation, for-profit or non-profit who has volunteers working in an Apache project. If you or Ian are suggesting something else then you'll need to be far more clear about what exactly you are proposing. (And IMHO if you think you need to propose something on this list, then it is probably already over the line. Mind you, proposing it as a courtesy is fine. But if you think that you actually must propose it and get approval from the project, then it is probably problematic. I hope you prove me wrong.) -Rob Louis
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi Rob, Rob Weir schrieb: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:17:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. I was planning on getting the word out on the new list. I can include the forums, ooo-dev, ooo-users. Also, I was going to work with Roberto to see if we can send a note out to the existing extension authors via SourceForge. Sure, just let me know what should we tell them. Roberto Please include ooo-announce too. On the website I'll add to: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html Done. Any place else? Maybe update this page: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ ?? (It looks like it needs many updates. Perhaps something we can discuss on the new mailing list!) Done. On http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development because it is the first result item, if you search for OpenOffice extension development. Done. Next step the mailing lists. -Rob Kind regards Regina -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: OpenOffice Developer Room (devroom) at FOSDEM
On 27/09/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: I've just sent the devroom application. ... Our availability to share a joint devroom with other projects is stated in the proposal, so it will likely happen that FOSDEM organizers consider this option and make their recommendations accordingly. And indeed this happened today: FOSDEM organizers, who received an application from Apache OpenOffice and one from LibreOffice, asked whether we can share a devroom. Of course this was already in our proposal, so I said it would be OK for us. Then a number of practical issues would have to be addressed, but there is time for it. Thanks Juergen, Louis, Rob for raising the issue of a possible shared devroom while we were drafting the proposal: this saves a lot of time and discussions now. The shared devroom would have the tentative name of ODF Offices. For reference, I'm copying my answer below, and I hope I will be allowed to share the whole conversation here if it continues (but I don't think it will continue, at least on our side). --- [Organizers ask whether we would consider hosting a shared devroom] Sure we would. While we can of course fill a whole day (and more) with Apache OpenOffice presentations, we had noticed your preference for shared devrooms and we had discussed it before I forwarded our proposal. I've nothing to add to what we already wrote: 'The Apache OpenOffice project is definitely willing to consider a possible suggestion by the organizers for a joint ODF editors devroom, dedicated to Apache OpenOffice and to the other Free and Open Source editors using OpenDocument as their native format.' Actually, I do have something to add: may I repost your messages from this discussion to the ooo-dev public discussion list? Apache OpenOffice takes all its decisions in public and by consensus, and I am just one of dozens of PPMC members. So it would be a bit awkward for me to discuss in private (if there is still need for it) and having to report in public for taking decisions. --- Regards, Andrea.
Re: Marketing events
Am 09.10.12 21:07, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2012 18:00, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/9/12, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: OOo had a substantial community marketing project with community members attending key events. How do we improve on that now with AOO? I remember one of the last activities before OOo was forked and most operations came to a halt, was building a collection of 'approved events'. we rate them as how strategically important for the marketing plan was, and how much support it would get from the previous marketing budget. FOSDEM was one of them, as well as OSWC and Latinoware to mention a few. We also thought about having dedicated speakers since they were repeatably asked to give talks in their regions and were considered as the OpenOffice.org guy in the FLOSS community. I am not sure how this activity goes for or against things done on Apache Way. But It was one of the ideas of the new Marketing Plan (which also was halted). I think there were some policies on the way the money would be spent such as, we could fund up to 50%, and only for traveling and hosting (no food or drinks). Other rules were still being put in place. Before getting into too much detail, what about Louis' suggestion of a marketing entity that could raise money outside the scope of ASF? Of course there is nothing to stop anyone setting up such an entity, the question is the relationship with AOO as part of ASF. The view I have held for a long time is that some sort of liquid assets even if a relatively small amount would have a disproportionate effect when it comes to marketing and dissemination. I'm just not clear how that fits with the Apache Way if at all. Some quick ideas: What exactly do we need to raise money for? Let's be sure it is not already available with Apache. If it is event-oriented, it is good idea to check on the ConCom lists. Have we availed ourselves of all the free marketing opportunities we have? Why are we leaping to outside fundraising before writing blog posts? Webinars? Why set up an outside marketing organization when we have a magazine interview request that we have not yet responded to? If we're not making optimal use of free, I wonder if we would make good use of not-free? I think we have to use both. The old OOo Marketing costs more in a year then the ASF will give use in 10 years. Over the donation Buttons on our webpage the NGO's like OOoES, FroDeV (formar OOoDeV) and Team OpenOffice rised souveral 10'000 dollars per year. But it works also without this button. The Swiss NGO SAFFOS (Formar OpenOffice.org Switzerland) get get of money only with Company Memberships. The moast are Consultants and Education Companys. Blogs, Social Media etc are good instruments to do global Marketing. But if you want to come in contact with OOo Users, events are realy good. And there is maybe a big differance between IBM and a small Consultant group. IBM don't care much about small Companys. But for small consultants this is the daily bread. So they want to attemt local events. If there is something specific we need, maybe we can get it donated to the ASF? It would be a very rare open source even that did not have at least one Apache member present. Maybe in US. In Europe, Apache is nearly nowhere present. Not even at FLOSS Events. To compare: At good times, OOo was present at more then 15 events per year only in german speaching regions. Same of them with big impact like CeBIT. How many Events attent other Apache Projects here? Maybe there is an opportunity to share space at a table and reduce costs? Maybe we can help another project be represented at a conference where it is easy and cheap for one of our volunteers to attend, in return for them helping represent AOO at a conference we are not able to make? Facing the fact Rob. The ASF Marketing has not enough financiel power to serve OOo Marketing. Also the ASF is not realy interested in end user Marketing. I like the ASF for development, but for Marketing we are at the wrong place here. For 3rd party fundraising, we would need to tread very carefully here, in terms of trademark use, avoiding appearance of affiliation or endorsement, etc. We can't have an outside group raising and spending money on behalf of an ASF project, claiming to speak for the ASF project at conferences, using a name that suggests affiliation with the ASF project, especially an exclusive relation, etc. So I have serious doubts that an outside organization, with these constraints, would have much luck raising funds. You have not to ask for donnations. I don't even think the organisation outside Apache should be a association. It could be samething semi-commercial like a corperative. I also don't like to reduce this structure to a Marketing structur. This structure could also collect money for
Re: Marketing events
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org wrote: Am 09.10.12 21:07, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2012 18:00, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/9/12, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: OOo had a substantial community marketing project with community members attending key events. How do we improve on that now with AOO? I remember one of the last activities before OOo was forked and most operations came to a halt, was building a collection of 'approved events'. we rate them as how strategically important for the marketing plan was, and how much support it would get from the previous marketing budget. FOSDEM was one of them, as well as OSWC and Latinoware to mention a few. We also thought about having dedicated speakers since they were repeatably asked to give talks in their regions and were considered as the OpenOffice.org guy in the FLOSS community. I am not sure how this activity goes for or against things done on Apache Way. But It was one of the ideas of the new Marketing Plan (which also was halted). I think there were some policies on the way the money would be spent such as, we could fund up to 50%, and only for traveling and hosting (no food or drinks). Other rules were still being put in place. Before getting into too much detail, what about Louis' suggestion of a marketing entity that could raise money outside the scope of ASF? Of course there is nothing to stop anyone setting up such an entity, the question is the relationship with AOO as part of ASF. The view I have held for a long time is that some sort of liquid assets even if a relatively small amount would have a disproportionate effect when it comes to marketing and dissemination. I'm just not clear how that fits with the Apache Way if at all. Some quick ideas: What exactly do we need to raise money for? Let's be sure it is not already available with Apache. If it is event-oriented, it is good idea to check on the ConCom lists. Have we availed ourselves of all the free marketing opportunities we have? Why are we leaping to outside fundraising before writing blog posts? Webinars? Why set up an outside marketing organization when we have a magazine interview request that we have not yet responded to? If we're not making optimal use of free, I wonder if we would make good use of not-free? I think we have to use both. The old OOo Marketing costs more in a year then the ASF will give use in 10 years. Over the donation Buttons on our webpage the NGO's like OOoES, FroDeV (formar OOoDeV) and Team OpenOffice rised souveral 10'000 dollars per year. But it works also without this button. The Swiss NGO SAFFOS (Formar OpenOffice.org Switzerland) get get of money only with Company Memberships. The moast are Consultants and Education Companys. Blogs, Social Media etc are good instruments to do global Marketing. But if you want to come in contact with OOo Users, events are realy good. And there is maybe a big differance between IBM and a small Consultant group. IBM don't care much about small Companys. But for small consultants this is the daily bread. So they want to attemt local events. If there is something specific we need, maybe we can get it donated to the ASF? It would be a very rare open source even that did not have at least one Apache member present. Maybe in US. In Europe, Apache is nearly nowhere present. Not even at FLOSS Events. To compare: At good times, OOo was present at more then 15 events per year only in german speaching regions. Same of them with big impact like CeBIT. How many Events attent other Apache Projects here? Maybe there is an opportunity to share space at a table and reduce costs? Maybe we can help another project be represented at a conference where it is easy and cheap for one of our volunteers to attend, in return for them helping represent AOO at a conference we are not able to make? Facing the fact Rob. The ASF Marketing has not enough financiel power to serve OOo Marketing. Also the ASF is not realy interested in end user Marketing. I like the ASF for development, but for Marketing we are at the wrong place here. For 3rd party fundraising, we would need to tread very carefully here, in terms of trademark use, avoiding appearance of affiliation or endorsement, etc. We can't have an outside group raising and spending money on behalf of an ASF project, claiming to speak for the ASF project at conferences, using a name that suggests affiliation with the ASF project, especially an exclusive relation, etc. So I have serious doubts that an outside organization, with these constraints, would have much luck raising funds. You have not to ask for donnations. I don't even think the organisation outside Apache should be a association. It could be samething semi-commercial like a corperative. I also don't like
Re: Marketing events
Am 09.10.12 22:19, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org wrote: Am 09.10.12 21:07, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2012 18:00, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/9/12, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: OOo had a substantial community marketing project with community members attending key events. How do we improve on that now with AOO? I remember one of the last activities before OOo was forked and most operations came to a halt, was building a collection of 'approved events'. we rate them as how strategically important for the marketing plan was, and how much support it would get from the previous marketing budget. FOSDEM was one of them, as well as OSWC and Latinoware to mention a few. We also thought about having dedicated speakers since they were repeatably asked to give talks in their regions and were considered as the OpenOffice.org guy in the FLOSS community. I am not sure how this activity goes for or against things done on Apache Way. But It was one of the ideas of the new Marketing Plan (which also was halted). I think there were some policies on the way the money would be spent such as, we could fund up to 50%, and only for traveling and hosting (no food or drinks). Other rules were still being put in place. Before getting into too much detail, what about Louis' suggestion of a marketing entity that could raise money outside the scope of ASF? Of course there is nothing to stop anyone setting up such an entity, the question is the relationship with AOO as part of ASF. The view I have held for a long time is that some sort of liquid assets even if a relatively small amount would have a disproportionate effect when it comes to marketing and dissemination. I'm just not clear how that fits with the Apache Way if at all. Some quick ideas: What exactly do we need to raise money for? Let's be sure it is not already available with Apache. If it is event-oriented, it is good idea to check on the ConCom lists. Have we availed ourselves of all the free marketing opportunities we have? Why are we leaping to outside fundraising before writing blog posts? Webinars? Why set up an outside marketing organization when we have a magazine interview request that we have not yet responded to? If we're not making optimal use of free, I wonder if we would make good use of not-free? I think we have to use both. The old OOo Marketing costs more in a year then the ASF will give use in 10 years. Over the donation Buttons on our webpage the NGO's like OOoES, FroDeV (formar OOoDeV) and Team OpenOffice rised souveral 10'000 dollars per year. But it works also without this button. The Swiss NGO SAFFOS (Formar OpenOffice.org Switzerland) get get of money only with Company Memberships. The moast are Consultants and Education Companys. Blogs, Social Media etc are good instruments to do global Marketing. But if you want to come in contact with OOo Users, events are realy good. And there is maybe a big differance between IBM and a small Consultant group. IBM don't care much about small Companys. But for small consultants this is the daily bread. So they want to attemt local events. If there is something specific we need, maybe we can get it donated to the ASF? It would be a very rare open source even that did not have at least one Apache member present. Maybe in US. In Europe, Apache is nearly nowhere present. Not even at FLOSS Events. To compare: At good times, OOo was present at more then 15 events per year only in german speaching regions. Same of them with big impact like CeBIT. How many Events attent other Apache Projects here? Maybe there is an opportunity to share space at a table and reduce costs? Maybe we can help another project be represented at a conference where it is easy and cheap for one of our volunteers to attend, in return for them helping represent AOO at a conference we are not able to make? Facing the fact Rob. The ASF Marketing has not enough financiel power to serve OOo Marketing. Also the ASF is not realy interested in end user Marketing. I like the ASF for development, but for Marketing we are at the wrong place here. For 3rd party fundraising, we would need to tread very carefully here, in terms of trademark use, avoiding appearance of affiliation or endorsement, etc. We can't have an outside group raising and spending money on behalf of an ASF project, claiming to speak for the ASF project at conferences, using a name that suggests affiliation with the ASF project, especially an exclusive relation, etc. So I have serious doubts that an outside organization, with these constraints, would have much luck raising funds. You have not to ask for donnations. I don't even think the organisation outside Apache should be a association. It could be samething semi-commercial
Re: Interested to Work
Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Pavan, pawan kumar schrieb: Hi, I am interested in working with Open Office projects and want to fix some bugs..or update some documentation tasks. So, please let me in and share any necessary information. Welcome to the project! If you will work on the code, you first need a build. You find information on http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO. Depending on your experience, getting a build might be a non trivial task. So please be patient and ask, ask, ask. It took me a whole week to get my first build. If you want to update documentations, you need developer snapshots to try out what is new. Currently you get them from build bots from http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/. In addition some community members upload their build to http://people.apache.org, search for ~arielch and for ~jsc. Sometimes more complete builds are made. Those are on https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds The builds are marked with a revision number of the latest commit they include. What is your area of interest? Writer, Base, Draw, Calc, or ...? Kind regards Regina Greetings Pawan; Along with Regina's excellent advice above for documentation work also start by readlng the contributing guide at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Contribute. If have any questions do not hesitate to ask. Regards Keith
[PROPOSAL][WWW] style and content changes to home page
Please have a look when you get a moment at the test area for home pages in: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ I have moved what were basically permanent items on our social networking areas and blog to the I want to stay in touch... area. Also, I edited the styling giving ~66% to the main menu items and ~33% to the campaign items to deal with annoyances on both browser and mobile devices. I am invoking *lazy consensus* on these changes and put this in place sometime on Sat, PDT -- say 15:30, unless there are objections. as a short ps. I did discover, after some investigation into the actual html for our generated web site, that we do indeed already have ssi enabled for ALL .html files for our entire site. So, if that helps anyone in any way. I am already investigating and testing this to deal with the ongoing news area. Set up file extensions for your includes with some other than .html -- I used .ssi -- and away you go! -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
RE: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows?
-Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:aliu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 6:41 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? snip I think it's also a good way to use some testing dedicated machines rather than buildbot slavers. We can cover more OSs. If we use buildbot slavers, we only cover 4 OSs. Minor correction. The ASF has over 30 buildbot slaves covering at least 9 OS variants including : Linux32, Linux64, Solaris, Windows 2008 Server, Windows 7, Apple OSX, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Fedora . With tests become more and more, if we include all tests in buildbot, the build period will become very long. I agree Of course, it's more convenient to perform tests with buildbot. I think we can includes part of tests. e.g. build verification test. Are these buildbot slavers enabled graphics interface? Some tests need access to graphics interface. Got any package names? Gav... The more things we can automate the better it is and the tests become more complex over time. Means not only build verification tests but also other tests like functional verification tests etc. Currently, we have about 300 automated test cases in our test project, including GUI test, UNO API test, Functional test, Performance test. We plan to execute them step by step. Zhe Liu please correct me if I am wrong. Juergen 2012/10/9 Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au: -Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:aliu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 3:44 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? Hi all, I setup several testing machines to do daily build test for daily builds from buildbot. I found there is no archive package for Windows. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ But archive package is available for Linux. For example, http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_Ope nOffic e_incubating_3.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-arc_en-US.tar.gz_2012-10- 08_04%3A24%3A58_1395448.tar.gz Automated testing currently can be executed against for only archive build, so who can help to copy the windows archive package to http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/? I'll really appreciate it. So you are testing packages using your own Buildbot that was built by our Buildbot in the First place ? What tests and what does it achieve ? Gav... -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
RE: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows?
-Original Message- From: Andrew Rist [mailto:andrew.r...@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012 3:57 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? I'm a little confused by this thread as I see a whole set of install bits at http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ Am I missing something? I was too, until I saw the he means builds with -arc in them for archive. Gav... (note: linux32 is not building right now and has no bits, and the bits for all builds are deleted on a failed build which is a build bug that should be fixed) Andrew On 10/9/2012 12:17 AM, Zhe Liu wrote: No. I didn't use any my own buildbot for testing. I just wrote scripts to automatically download the latest build from apache buildbot(http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/) to my testing machine. Then perform the testing on my local machines. Currently the tests include only build verification test cases, pls refer to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/BVT. In the past, we put the test results in our wiki. Now an web app is basically available to view test result. It's still under construction. http://people.apache.org/~liuzhe/testdashboard/#bvt In future, I will add more tests into it. 2012/10/9 Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au: -Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:aliu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 3:44 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? Hi all, I setup several testing machines to do daily build test for daily builds from buildbot. I found there is no archive package for Windows. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ But archive package is available for Linux. For example, http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_Open Offic e_incubating_3.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-arc_en-US.tar.gz_2012-10- 08_04%3A24%3A58_1395448.tar.gz Automated testing currently can be executed against for only archive build, so who can help to copy the windows archive package to http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/? I'll really appreciate it. So you are testing packages using your own Buildbot that was built by our Buildbot in the First place ? What tests and what does it achieve ? Gav... -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [PROPOSAL][WWW] style and content changes to home page
2012/10/9 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com Please have a look when you get a moment at the test area for home pages in: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ I have moved what were basically permanent items on our social networking areas and blog to the I want to stay in touch... area. Also, I edited the styling giving ~66% to the main menu items and ~33% to the campaign items to deal with annoyances on both browser and mobile devices. I am invoking *lazy consensus* on these changes and put this in place sometime on Sat, PDT -- say 15:30, unless there are objections. I like it! +1 from here. Regards Ricardo as a short ps. I did discover, after some investigation into the actual html for our generated web site, that we do indeed already have ssi enabled for ALL .html files for our entire site. So, if that helps anyone in any way. I am already investigating and testing this to deal with the ongoing news area. Set up file extensions for your includes with some other than .html -- I used .ssi -- and away you go! -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: Draft Blog Post: Calling all Consultants
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Was this a typo? Note: At Apache we never play for development, and we do not recommend or endorse specific consultants. pay-play? Yes, it should be pay. Thanks, -Rob looks good with this change... On 10/8/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=calling_all_openoffice_consultants Comments are welcome. -Rob -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
2012/10/9 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:17:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: Did anyone ever get a notification on this? I just tried subscribing to ooo-api@i.a.o and it said I was already subscribed. So it looks like the list was created. But I expected some notification. It would be nice if someone could post a notification on the user forum, there is a macro and programming section there, AFAIK. Done for the ES and IT forums. Rob already did it for the EN forum. Regards Ricardo Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: Installation patches
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hi Andre; This initiative is hugely important. Thanks for working on it. yes! +1 on this comment... Yet another item I've meant to investigate for a while sigh. From: Andre Fischer ... Hi, In the last days I looked into how to create installation patches for updating AOO. Using patches instead of full installation packages would lead to smaller files to distribute for updating AOO on the next release. I have created a new Wiki page for my findings. Please see [1] for an overview and the details of how to create patch files. Note that I have concentrated on the Windows platform for the time being. My results for the impatient: 1. I have written a Perl script with which I have created a Windows Installer MSP patch file that updates an installed Apache OpenOffice 3.4 to 3.4.1. Its size is roughly a tenth of the full installation package. There are some minor problems, like the about box still displaying 3.4 as current version in the first line. The second line is OK. 2. There is already some support for the creation of patch files in the make_installer.pl script but this functionality is inactive. It is not triggered by the makefile in module instsetoo_native/ and therefore I can not say whether it would still work. [1] http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Building_installation_packages Best regards, Andre By far the Windows case is most important. I will add here some notes on how it's done on FreeBSD (and optionally linux). Normal installation files: For FreeBSD we don't use either .rpm or .deb format: we have epm generate general archive files. These are later untarred and the ports system takes care of re-tarring into our native pkg format (actually just a tar file with package listing). As you can imagine generating packages takes a lot of time: it involves extracting and repackaging.: it would be nice to have a raw mode that just installs things and let our ports/packaging system take over. Updates: FreeBSD will be transitioning RSN to the new pkgng format which takes care of dependencies and updates in third party packages. I haven't looked at it in detail but it is considered ready for prime time and has been tested extensively. For the base system we have a system in place which uses bsdiff: http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ This would be very useful to release binary patches for security fixes or minor updates. Google chrome used this same mechanism and later enhanced it into Courgette: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/software-updates-courgette hth, Pedro. -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On 09/10/2012 Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? ... What gets me is the attitude of Rob as a representative of IBM. Rob already clarified that removing the files would be a theoretical, extreme measure for those concerned with having those files in the same repository as the OpenOffice source code: they would be moved into an external repository and integrated from there (which is not desirable at all, but they would continue to be integrated into OpenOffice as it happens now). But, as discussed months ago (with no particular opposition if I remember correctly), files that are on a separate branch and are not release relevant will need appropriate headers only when they are merged into trunk. The README for the Symphony branch already explains the licenses well enough to be sure that people won't misunderstand: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/symphony/trunk/README?revision=1351160view=markup By the way, the IPMC so far didn't raise any questions about these files or anything else in reply to the proposed resolution: http://s.apache.org/oW Regards, Andrea.
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: I'm sorry, Rob. Those files are toxic *for me*. I can't touch them in their present state. I also don't want to read them in their present state until the provenance and permissive licensing is dealt with. What is irrelevant for you is not irrelevant for me. And you're not my lawyer. Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? I am with you Dennis, Oracle for OpenOffice and Adobe for Flex were much more careful. In fact Adobe did not even release the until it had Gond through full review. What gets me is the attitude of Rob as a representative of IBM. Rather than you trying to guess, I'd like to ensure that you actually understand my personal views on this: 1) When this podling started I had to listen to claims that IBM would never contribute to the project, that we were just here to take the community's code. 2) When I announced that we were going to contribute Symphony, I had to listen to all the claims that IBM would never do it 3) I then toiled for months to get the code through the labyrinthine processes at IBM to get it into a form where it could actually be contributed, a task for which I never received even a minor thanks from the community. 4) And then I had to deal with Infra for several weeks before time became available to get the source code dump in 5) Then I had to listen to claims that now IBM was going to force Symphony to replace OpenOffice, that we were just going to take over. 6) We had a discussion in the community about what to do with the Symphony code, and ultimately decided to do a slow merge approach, which means that the checked in Symphony tree will never be directly used in a release. 7) In all this time, no one has raised concerns on the files. Not when we contributed. Not when we released AOO. Not when I proposed graduation. Not when we voted on graduation. Not when we voted on a PMC. Not when we voted on a PMC Chair. But now today, in a thread regarding graduation, you and Dennis are now using inflammatory terms, claiming the Symphony contribution, a multi-year effort of dozens of developers and millions of dollars, is toxic and has IP and provenance issues. Yes, I'm pissed. And I'm not the only one you are insulting today. Really, if you think this code is at all inconvenient to you personally or to the project I will have no problems deleting it. No good deed goes unpunished. -Rob I have nothing more to say here about it. Regards, Dave - Dennis PS: I was asked, shortly after AOO incubation started, why I did not contribute to LibreOffice. My response to that private question was that I do contribute at a level that does not require my working with the LibreOffice code. As a permissive-license open-source developer I have no interest in possible contamination of my own work by knowledge of something under LGPL, GPL, any other reciprocal license and in particular anything that is proprietary. (I avoid the proprietary problem by not signing NDAs unless they are reciprocal and it is something I have no difficulty keeping in confidence.) [Full disclosure: To be accurate, I did contribute one (unused) patch to LibreOffice and I also provided private review of a patch that has been released in LibreOffice for reducing the information leakage and ease of known-plaintext attacks on encrypted (save with Password) ODF files. I also realize that I could privately rely on Symphony code, but I could not produce anything based on it since I can't provide sanitary provenance. Sanitary provenance is a standard I must satisfy for myself.] -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 09:14 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: Besides the concerns of the IPMC over toxic IPR in the SVN for an extended time, the greatest difficulty I see is that no one on the project can touch this code or work on merging any useful bits until the IPR cleanup happens. At the moment, it appears that the entire Symphony subdirectory on the OOO SVN is untouchable. Dennis, your use of inflammatory language like toxic is not helpful. The only parts that are of interest to this project are the IBM enhancements and new features, and these are all under ALv2 per the SGA. The legacy OpenOffice.org stuff, with LGPL headers, is irrelevant. What we have is contributed code that is sitting in a segregated tree, entirely separate from the product code, awaiting IP clearance. This is within the process. If you or any one else wants the process to go faster I'd be happy to suggest ways to help. And as I said before, I'm also happy to delete this
Re: [PROPOSAL][WWW] style and content changes to home page
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Please have a look when you get a moment at the test area for home pages in: http://www.openoffice.org/test/ I have moved what were basically permanent items on our social networking areas and blog to the I want to stay in touch... area. Also, I edited the styling giving ~66% to the main menu items and ~33% to the campaign items to deal with annoyances on both browser and mobile devices. Yes, it is an improvement, certainly. Thanks. Btw, in case it is useful for deciding how to optimize the page, here is the distribution of screen resolution for visitors to the website in the past month: 1. 1366x768 1,366,268 19.34% 2. 1280x800889,840 12.60% 3. 1024x768736,505 10.43% 4. 1920x1080 646,770 9.16% 5. 1280x1024 621,559 8.80% 6. 1440x900529,038 7.49% 7. 1600x900357,577 5.06% 8. 1680x1050 345,564 4.89% 9. (not set) 239,877 3.40% 10. 1024x600207,235 2.93% Regards, -Rob I am invoking *lazy consensus* on these changes and put this in place sometime on Sat, PDT -- say 15:30, unless there are objections. as a short ps. I did discover, after some investigation into the actual html for our generated web site, that we do indeed already have ssi enabled for ALL .html files for our entire site. So, if that helps anyone in any way. I am already investigating and testing this to deal with the ongoing news area. Set up file extensions for your includes with some other than .html -- I used .ssi -- and away you go! -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: [CODE] gmake and AOO build system
On 10/9/2012 4:27 AM, Andre Fischer wrote: On 01.10.2012 06:16, Andrew Rist wrote: I'll checkin the code this week - was trying to get a working env with he branch, and was having the usual issues. Thanks. Don't know how far we're taking this , but would be nice to leave the build cleaner and more stable... I finally got to checking out the buildsys branch and building it. Before I describe the problems that I have I would like to ask if you have made changes beyond adapting the license headers? At his point I have done nothing beyond applying the patches and updating headers. I am still trying to figure out what has been changed and why. The commit messages of the two larger commits (1394326 and 1394707) state that both contain changes from CWSs ause130, ause131, gnumake4 and sd2gbuild: ause130: #i117218# change .idl handling to gnu make ause131: #i117685# own copy target for globlmn.hrc gnumake4: add support for zip and jar files sd2gbuild: migrated module sd to gbuild gnumake4: #i117340#: CustomTarget: replace broken multi-repo support Why are there two commits? My first checkin did not identify all the files changed during the git apply actions. the second checkin was an attempt to rectify that. As I write this I am realizing that I did not add all of the new files delivered in the patches. I will look at this in a bit. Now to my build problems (I am building on Windows 7): 1. I can not run main/bootstrap without manually sourcing the solar environment (winenv.set.sh). 2. Build breaks in udkapi. For some reason the udkapi/prj/build.lst has been stripped to just building udkapi/prj. That directory does not contain a makefile, therefore the build breaks. Also, udkapi/prj/d.lst has been stripped empty. That would mean that all IDL files in udkapi are not accessible anymore. I don't see how that could work. re 1: This should be easy to fix. re 2: This looks like a serious problem. Without understanding the goal of these changes, it is hard to come up with a fix. Let me add the files and then try again... A. -Andre A Sent from my iThingie On Sep 30, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hi Ariel; - Original Message - From: Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Hi Pedro, On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 09:07:03AM -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote: There is currently nothing here, in fact trunk is more up to date. Can I start committing stuff or should Andrew do it? IMHO only Andrew, as Oracle representative, can commit the patches. The idea is to ensure that patches are granted by Oracle without the need to ask for another software grant for this particular cws. I guess this should be the procedure people should follow if interested in getting cws code granted by Oracle; the other way is to ask for a software grant on every file in the cws, but I guess that this won't scale (Oracle will have to redo the same amount of work they did for the original software grant). OK, I can wait. Concerning this particular case, once Andrew commits the patches, there should be some agreement on what to do: IMHO, the first thing should be to ensure that the code builds in Windows, Linux and MacOSX (that cws didn't originally take into account OS2 nor FreeBSD), otherwise there is the chance that changes made for OS2/FreeBSD/Solaris/etc end up breaking something that was actually working in the cws; and it may be then hard to guess where and why it got broken (just like the boost/stlport case). I expect the only files that I have to touch are FreeBSD specific so that probably won't be the case here. In any case I would expect the branch won't be merged into trunk until any issue with the FreeBSD and/or Linux/Mac Windows ports are fixed. cheers, Pedro.
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
On Oct 9, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 09/10/2012 Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? ... What gets me is the attitude of Rob as a representative of IBM. Rob already clarified that removing the files would be a theoretical, extreme measure for those concerned with having those files in the same repository as the OpenOffice source code: they would be moved into an external repository and integrated from there (which is not desirable at all, but they would continue to be integrated into OpenOffice as it happens now). All that is being asked is that the IP clearance be completed. That way any contributor will feel safe. But, as discussed months ago (with no particular opposition if I remember correctly), files that are on a separate branch and are not release relevant will need appropriate headers only when they are merged into trunk. The README for the Symphony branch already explains the licenses well enough to be sure that people won't misunderstand: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/symphony/trunk/README?revision=1351160view=markup When files that contain the copyright are moved into use then someone from IBM should change the header. The project NOTICE should then indicate that portions are copyright IBM., just like Oracle. It does not look too difficult to script... By the way, the IPMC so far didn't raise any questions about these files or anything else in reply to the proposed resolution: http://s.apache.org/oW No replies at all last I checked. Regards, Dave Regards, Andrea.
Re: Marketing events
On 9 October 2012 21:37, Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org wrote: Am 09.10.12 22:19, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org wrote: Am 09.10.12 21:07, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2012 18:00, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/9/12, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: OOo had a substantial community marketing project with community members attending key events. How do we improve on that now with AOO? I remember one of the last activities before OOo was forked and most operations came to a halt, was building a collection of 'approved events'. we rate them as how strategically important for the marketing plan was, and how much support it would get from the previous marketing budget. FOSDEM was one of them, as well as OSWC and Latinoware to mention a few. We also thought about having dedicated speakers since they were repeatably asked to give talks in their regions and were considered as the OpenOffice.org guy in the FLOSS community. I am not sure how this activity goes for or against things done on Apache Way. But It was one of the ideas of the new Marketing Plan (which also was halted). I think there were some policies on the way the money would be spent such as, we could fund up to 50%, and only for traveling and hosting (no food or drinks). Other rules were still being put in place. Before getting into too much detail, what about Louis' suggestion of a marketing entity that could raise money outside the scope of ASF? Of course there is nothing to stop anyone setting up such an entity, the question is the relationship with AOO as part of ASF. The view I have held for a long time is that some sort of liquid assets even if a relatively small amount would have a disproportionate effect when it comes to marketing and dissemination. I'm just not clear how that fits with the Apache Way if at all. Some quick ideas: What exactly do we need to raise money for? Let's be sure it is not already available with Apache. If it is event-oriented, it is good idea to check on the ConCom lists. Have we availed ourselves of all the free marketing opportunities we have? Why are we leaping to outside fundraising before writing blog posts? Webinars? Why set up an outside marketing organization when we have a magazine interview request that we have not yet responded to? If we're not making optimal use of free, I wonder if we would make good use of not-free? I think we have to use both. The old OOo Marketing costs more in a year then the ASF will give use in 10 years. Over the donation Buttons on our webpage the NGO's like OOoES, FroDeV (formar OOoDeV) and Team OpenOffice rised souveral 10'000 dollars per year. But it works also without this button. The Swiss NGO SAFFOS (Formar OpenOffice.org Switzerland) get get of money only with Company Memberships. The moast are Consultants and Education Companys. Blogs, Social Media etc are good instruments to do global Marketing. But if you want to come in contact with OOo Users, events are realy good. And there is maybe a big differance between IBM and a small Consultant group. IBM don't care much about small Companys. But for small consultants this is the daily bread. So they want to attemt local events. If there is something specific we need, maybe we can get it donated to the ASF? It would be a very rare open source even that did not have at least one Apache member present. Maybe in US. In Europe, Apache is nearly nowhere present. Not even at FLOSS Events. To compare: At good times, OOo was present at more then 15 events per year only in german speaching regions. Same of them with big impact like CeBIT. How many Events attent other Apache Projects here? Maybe there is an opportunity to share space at a table and reduce costs? Maybe we can help another project be represented at a conference where it is easy and cheap for one of our volunteers to attend, in return for them helping represent AOO at a conference we are not able to make? Facing the fact Rob. The ASF Marketing has not enough financiel power to serve OOo Marketing. Also the ASF is not realy interested in end user Marketing. I like the ASF for development, but for Marketing we are at the wrong place here. For 3rd party fundraising, we would need to tread very carefully here, in terms of trademark use, avoiding appearance of affiliation or endorsement, etc. We can't have an outside group raising and spending money on behalf of an ASF project, claiming to speak for the ASF project at conferences, using a name that suggests affiliation with the ASF project, especially an exclusive relation, etc. So I have serious doubts that an outside organization, with these constraints, would have much luck
Re: Marketing events
On Oct 9, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2012 21:37, Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org wrote: Am 09.10.12 22:19, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org wrote: Am 09.10.12 21:07, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2012 18:00, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/9/12, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: OOo had a substantial community marketing project with community members attending key events. How do we improve on that now with AOO? I remember one of the last activities before OOo was forked and most operations came to a halt, was building a collection of 'approved events'. we rate them as how strategically important for the marketing plan was, and how much support it would get from the previous marketing budget. FOSDEM was one of them, as well as OSWC and Latinoware to mention a few. We also thought about having dedicated speakers since they were repeatably asked to give talks in their regions and were considered as the OpenOffice.org guy in the FLOSS community. I am not sure how this activity goes for or against things done on Apache Way. But It was one of the ideas of the new Marketing Plan (which also was halted). I think there were some policies on the way the money would be spent such as, we could fund up to 50%, and only for traveling and hosting (no food or drinks). Other rules were still being put in place. Before getting into too much detail, what about Louis' suggestion of a marketing entity that could raise money outside the scope of ASF? Of course there is nothing to stop anyone setting up such an entity, the question is the relationship with AOO as part of ASF. The view I have held for a long time is that some sort of liquid assets even if a relatively small amount would have a disproportionate effect when it comes to marketing and dissemination. I'm just not clear how that fits with the Apache Way if at all. Some quick ideas: What exactly do we need to raise money for? Let's be sure it is not already available with Apache. If it is event-oriented, it is good idea to check on the ConCom lists. Have we availed ourselves of all the free marketing opportunities we have? Why are we leaping to outside fundraising before writing blog posts? Webinars? Why set up an outside marketing organization when we have a magazine interview request that we have not yet responded to? If we're not making optimal use of free, I wonder if we would make good use of not-free? I think we have to use both. The old OOo Marketing costs more in a year then the ASF will give use in 10 years. Over the donation Buttons on our webpage the NGO's like OOoES, FroDeV (formar OOoDeV) and Team OpenOffice rised souveral 10'000 dollars per year. But it works also without this button. The Swiss NGO SAFFOS (Formar OpenOffice.org Switzerland) get get of money only with Company Memberships. The moast are Consultants and Education Companys. Blogs, Social Media etc are good instruments to do global Marketing. But if you want to come in contact with OOo Users, events are realy good. And there is maybe a big differance between IBM and a small Consultant group. IBM don't care much about small Companys. But for small consultants this is the daily bread. So they want to attemt local events. If there is something specific we need, maybe we can get it donated to the ASF? It would be a very rare open source even that did not have at least one Apache member present. Maybe in US. In Europe, Apache is nearly nowhere present. Not even at FLOSS Events. To compare: At good times, OOo was present at more then 15 events per year only in german speaching regions. Same of them with big impact like CeBIT. How many Events attent other Apache Projects here? Maybe there is an opportunity to share space at a table and reduce costs? Maybe we can help another project be represented at a conference where it is easy and cheap for one of our volunteers to attend, in return for them helping represent AOO at a conference we are not able to make? Facing the fact Rob. The ASF Marketing has not enough financiel power to serve OOo Marketing. Also the ASF is not realy interested in end user Marketing. I like the ASF for development, but for Marketing we are at the wrong place here. For 3rd party fundraising, we would need to tread very carefully here, in terms of trademark use, avoiding appearance of affiliation or endorsement, etc. We can't have an outside group raising and spending money on behalf of an ASF project, claiming to speak for the ASF project at conferences, using a name that suggests affiliation with the ASF project, especially an exclusive relation, etc. So I have serious doubts that an outside organization, with these constraints, would have much luck raising funds. You have not to ask
Re: Marketing events
Hi I'm from Brazil and there various events: FISL, LatinoWare, Revista Espirito Livre and others spread throughout BR. You could have a fund for member official AOO, so you can attend the AOO speaking, lecturing, talking etc.. But this must be carefully discussed. This member can attend these events that have availability and time available. It'll be like us, being voluntary, but that talk of AOO events. Albino
Re: Application Developers, you are invited to join the Apache OpenOffice API mailing list
Hi. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We have a new mailing list in the OpenOffice project --- ooo-...@incubator.apache.org. The focus of this list is for discussions related to OpenOffice macros, scripting and extensions. All topics related to application development with OpenOffice are welcome, including questions, suggestions for app-dev features in future releases, or even to tell us about your latest great extension. Yeah! Let's all participate and develope for AOO. (: To join the list you should send an email to: ooo-api-subscr...@incubator.apache.org and then respond to the confirmation email you will receive. Subscribe ! Albino
Re: Marketing events: Brochure? Newsletter?
Hi! I have been keeping up with the discussions, but unable to participate much lately, unfortunately. In the marketing department, is there a newsletter or brochure that could be distributed at any event? I am thinking that a design could be approved, then placed on the website so that anyone representing Apache OpenOffice could print it out. This might be an example of a way to fund an event - using funds for the paper and ink or professional printing. The vote to offer funds for an event could be proposed for approval or disapproval. If approved the design posted could be in a file format that could be printed directly or sent to a printer. Nancy Nancy Web Design Free 24 hour pass to lynda.com. Video courses on SEO, CMS, Design and Software Courses From: Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Marketing events Hi I'm from Brazil and there various events: FISL, LatinoWare, Revista Espirito Livre and others spread throughout BR. You could have a fund for member official AOO, so you can attend the AOO speaking, lecturing, talking etc.. But this must be carefully discussed. This member can attend these events that have availability and time available. It'll be like us, being voluntary, but that talk of AOO events. Albino
Re: [RELEASE] milestone build (Was: [RELEASE] 3.5, 4.0, fixpack, milestone build...)
+1 for using mirrors system to distribute milestone build. 2012/10/10 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de Am 10/09/2012 03:58 AM, schrieb Shenfeng Liu: 2012/10/9 Ariel Constenla-Hailearielch@**apache.org arie...@apache.org Hi Jürgen, * On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 04:58:03PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: The build bots are still not build the same as we do for the binary releases (please correct me if I am wrong). Means as long as we don't have build bots which are building with the same configuration we should provide the builds manually in the same way we did it for the release. @Ariel, would that be ok for you fro now until we have a better solution? Yes, I will apply the set up described in https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119385https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119385, that is, decreasing Linux system requirements to glibc 2.5 Any one is welcome to take any of the two architectures (building on Linux is multiplied by 4: rpm/deb, 32 and 64 bits; this counts on building time and uploading the packages); if not, I will take care of both. I will take care of Windows and MacOS. (2) How many language support can we get for this milestone build? Not necessary to be 100% translated, but can be a base for volunteers to verify the translation. We should include the languages that we have released and add all languages where we notice active volunteers who help us to support these further languages (eg. Polish, Danish, Scots Gaelic, ...) (3) The current development snapshot naming [a] is a little confusing to me. I wonder if we can change the naming to reflect the date of the build? I am not sure if understand you correct. The revision is a unique identifier and makes it clear what went in the snapshot. We probably upload the builds not all on the same day. Means I am not sure how a date can help here. I guess that besides the revision, milestone builds can be identified by their milestone number, which should be increased in every milestone build: AOO350m1 AOO350m2 etc just like in OOo times there was DEV300m105 DEV300m106 etc http://www.openoffice.org/**development/releases/** DEV300m106_snapshot.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/DEV300m106_snapshot.html it could start now from DEV350m1 OK, I understand the revision now, and let's forget the date. And I agree with Ariel that a milestone number like AOO350m1 will be better when we promote it. I personally do not think we need to use mirror. But a download page that Marcus suggested will be good. Sure, the download page can point to the builds on the mirror system or the ASF people's directories (when the paths are unified then automatism is much easier). But when using the mirrors we could: - stear the timeframe how long a milestone should be online, - when to release the next dev build, - a simple point of downloadable dev builds, - and of course we can see how often which file was downloaded. To see if it's worth the efforts at all. So, I think we should try to distribute the dev builds via the mirror system. If we laster think that it doesn't make sense anymore then we can stop it. Marcus -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
RE: Helping open office
Hello, Apologies for taking so long to respond back to you. We were trying to collect as much information about the task as we could before responding.To answer your first question, we don't have much time to put into this. There's no real requirements that we need to meet. The main purpose is to make input to an open source project. We have created YouTube videos before. We're happy to create a couple install/uninstall videos for Open Office. - Installing Open Office for Windows- Installing Open Office for Linux- Uninstalling Open Office for Windows- Uninstalling Open Office for Linux Let us know if you have any specific specifications. Regards,Bianca Kosir and Sean Gayton. From: rabas...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:16:34 -1000 Subject: Re: Helping open office To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org CC: bianca.m.ko...@hotmail.com On Sep 11, 2012, at 2:51 PM, sean gayton gayta...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, My name is Sean and my peer is Bianca (cc'd) and we're looking to help contribute to Open Office.We were hoping we could assist with some documentation in creating a simple user guide and installation guide for computer illiterate users.We were also looking into assisting with some marketing, like developing artwork for open office to use. We are both 3rd year IT students studying at the University of Ballarat, Australia and need to contribute to an open source project for a major assignment.We would love to help open office in anyway we can. Thank you. Hi Sean, Bianca, thanks for your note. Some quick thoughts and I'm sure other OpenOffice will have their own. 1. How much time are you willing to put into this? Is there any guidance from your course on how big (or small) this assignment should be? Do you need to demonstrate specific techniques or methodologies? 2. Have you ever created a YouTube video or similar? IMHO we have a lot of written documentation. Much of needs to be updated. But that is a large task. A more self-contained task might be to create install walkthrough videos. Maybe other videos for the top 10 user FAQs. Regards, Rob P.S. Please respond to the entire list to continue the discussion. Regards,Sean Gayton and Bianca Kosir.
Re: [RESULT][VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
On 2012/10/09 06:27, Andrew Rist said: The Vote started on 2012-10-04 has ended. Results: Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) - 28 (24 PPMC + 2 Committers + 2 Community) Drew Jensen (atjensen) - 3 (3 PPMC) There were no other votes cast. The PPMC has approved Andrea Pescetti for PMC Chair Apache OpenOffice PMC This can now be added to the TLP resolution for AOO. Congratulations! ^_*' -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows?
2012/10/10 Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au: -Original Message- From: Andrew Rist [mailto:andrew.r...@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012 3:57 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? I'm a little confused by this thread as I see a whole set of install bits at http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ Am I missing something? I was too, until I saw the he means builds with -arc in them for archive. Yes. You got it. Gav... (note: linux32 is not building right now and has no bits, and the bits for all builds are deleted on a failed build which is a build bug that should be fixed) Andrew On 10/9/2012 12:17 AM, Zhe Liu wrote: No. I didn't use any my own buildbot for testing. I just wrote scripts to automatically download the latest build from apache buildbot(http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/) to my testing machine. Then perform the testing on my local machines. Currently the tests include only build verification test cases, pls refer to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/BVT. In the past, we put the test results in our wiki. Now an web app is basically available to view test result. It's still under construction. http://people.apache.org/~liuzhe/testdashboard/#bvt In future, I will add more tests into it. 2012/10/9 Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au: -Original Message- From: Zhe Liu [mailto:aliu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 3:44 PM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Buildbot has no archive build for Windows? Hi all, I setup several testing machines to do daily build test for daily builds from buildbot. I found there is no archive package for Windows. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ But archive package is available for Linux. For example, http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_Open Offic e_incubating_3.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-arc_en-US.tar.gz_2012-10- 08_04%3A24%3A58_1395448.tar.gz Automated testing currently can be executed against for only archive build, so who can help to copy the windows archive package to http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/? I'll really appreciate it. So you are testing packages using your own Buildbot that was built by our Buildbot in the First place ? What tests and what does it achieve ? Gav... -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: Marketing events: Brochure? Newsletter?
We used to have a newsletter, but it was always a challenge to get people to talk about the development every month. http://www.openoffice.org/editorial/spotlightindex.html There was also a mailing list: newslet...@marketing.openoffice.org Not sure how many process were stablished or discussed, but some recycling could be done. As far as brochure, I remember Drew help out a lot on ScaleX6. I still have them somewhere, i most say the design was pretty good en-par with the design guidelines. On 10/9/12, Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi! I have been keeping up with the discussions, but unable to participate much lately, unfortunately. In the marketing department, is there a newsletter or brochure that could be distributed at any event? I am thinking that a design could be approved, then placed on the website so that anyone representing Apache OpenOffice could print it out. This might be an example of a way to fund an event - using funds for the paper and ink or professional printing. The vote to offer funds for an event could be proposed for approval or disapproval. If approved the design posted could be in a file format that could be printed directly or sent to a printer. Nancy Nancy Web Design Free 24 hour pass to lynda.com. Video courses on SEO, CMS, Design and Software Courses From: Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Marketing events Hi I'm from Brazil and there various events: FISL, LatinoWare, Revista Espirito Livre and others spread throughout BR. You could have a fund for member official AOO, so you can attend the AOO speaking, lecturing, talking etc.. But this must be carefully discussed. This member can attend these events that have availability and time available. It'll be like us, being voluntary, but that talk of AOO events. Albino -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Helping open office
This is great. We could use some help with info graphics for use on the website, in the tools, and part of documentation. I'll gather more specific info and share shortly. Regards, Kevin On Oct 10, 2012, at 7:52 AM, Bianca Kosir bianca.m.ko...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, Apologies for taking so long to respond back to you. We were trying to collect as much information about the task as we could before responding.To answer your first question, we don't have much time to put into this. There's no real requirements that we need to meet. The main purpose is to make input to an open source project. We have created YouTube videos before. We're happy to create a couple install/uninstall videos for Open Office. - Installing Open Office for Windows- Installing Open Office for Linux- Uninstalling Open Office for Windows- Uninstalling Open Office for Linux Let us know if you have any specific specifications. Regards,Bianca Kosir and Sean Gayton. From: rabas...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:16:34 -1000 Subject: Re: Helping open office To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org CC: bianca.m.ko...@hotmail.com On Sep 11, 2012, at 2:51 PM, sean gayton gayta...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, My name is Sean and my peer is Bianca (cc'd) and we're looking to help contribute to Open Office.We were hoping we could assist with some documentation in creating a simple user guide and installation guide for computer illiterate users.We were also looking into assisting with some marketing, like developing artwork for open office to use. We are both 3rd year IT students studying at the University of Ballarat, Australia and need to contribute to an open source project for a major assignment.We would love to help open office in anyway we can. Thank you. Hi Sean, Bianca, thanks for your note. Some quick thoughts and I'm sure other OpenOffice will have their own. 1. How much time are you willing to put into this? Is there any guidance from your course on how big (or small) this assignment should be? Do you need to demonstrate specific techniques or methodologies? 2. Have you ever created a YouTube video or similar? IMHO we have a lot of written documentation. Much of needs to be updated. But that is a large task. A more self-contained task might be to create install walkthrough videos. Maybe other videos for the top 10 user FAQs. Regards, Rob P.S. Please respond to the entire list to continue the discussion. Regards,Sean Gayton and Bianca Kosir.
Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation
Hi, excuse my top posting but I think we can relax a little bit. The situation now is clear enough and the code will be changed accordingly when we use it and merge parts of it in our main trunk. I can understand you Rob and I am also a little bit peeved about it but we can't really change it and have to accept what people are saying. Dennis and Dave who both do not really work on product relevant code don't have to work on this code as well. For all others you have explained how it is possible even now. Let us move forward and don't waste energy in a fruitless discussion with nitpicking. Juergen Am Mittwoch, 10. Oktober 2012 um 00:45 schrieb Dave Fisher: On Oct 9, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 09/10/2012 Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Offering to remove the files is bizarre. What is that, slash-dot bait? ... What gets me is the attitude of Rob as a representative of IBM. Rob already clarified that removing the files would be a theoretical, extreme measure for those concerned with having those files in the same repository as the OpenOffice source code: they would be moved into an external repository and integrated from there (which is not desirable at all, but they would continue to be integrated into OpenOffice as it happens now). All that is being asked is that the IP clearance be completed. That way any contributor will feel safe. But, as discussed months ago (with no particular opposition if I remember correctly), files that are on a separate branch and are not release relevant will need appropriate headers only when they are merged into trunk. The README for the Symphony branch already explains the licenses well enough to be sure that people won't misunderstand: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/symphony/trunk/README?revision=1351160view=markup When files that contain the copyright are moved into use then someone from IBM should change the header. The project NOTICE should then indicate that portions are copyright IBM., just like Oracle. It does not look too difficult to script... By the way, the IPMC so far didn't raise any questions about these files or anything else in reply to the proposed resolution: http://s.apache.org/oW No replies at all last I checked. Regards, Dave Regards, Andrea.
