Re: Language Pack Pt
On 10/16/2012 10:35, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Jean is not subscribed, so he missed all your answers. Recall that moderated messages have a header field Delivered-To: moderator for SOME_AOO_LIST that can be used to filter/tag moderated messages with (any decent) mail user agent. On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 02:44:05PM +0200, Jean Milot wrote: Hello, I search some informations about the pt language pack. Sincerely, Jean Ariel; One of the problems with using the Delivered-To: to filter on is an outstanding bug in Thunderbird,which I hope you would agree is a decent mail agent. There are two (2) Delivered-To headers in a moderated mail. The mailing list manager puts the Delivered-To: Mailing list before the Delivered-To: Moderator and TB only sees the first one. Unless and until Mozilla decides to fix the bug those of us that use it are damned to using view source to manually search out the header or finding some other way to filter the messages. GMail has the same issue: you can only filter on the first instance of the header. So my practice is simple: If the person's name is not familiar I cc them on my response. I've never had someone complain about receiving two copies of the note. And if they did complain, then their name would become familiar to me ;-) Perhaps we could coerce ezmlm into putting out only one header? /tj/ -Rob Regards Keith
Re: [UX] New words for toolboxes in customize dialog
On 9/30/2012 12:50, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi, when you customize the drawing bar in Draw or Impress, you will notice that the commands Curve, Rectangle, Ellipse, and Text are used twice. One of them is the simple object, the other is the toolbox, which contains similar objects. This is confusing and should be changed. Issues are https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=107691 and https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=107692. Technically it is an easy hack, but I'm not sure about the wording. In the issue the plural is suggested for the toolbox, for example Rectangles instead of Rectangle for the command .uno:RectangleToolbox. I suggest to use Rectangle Toolbox. That does not need a careful look to detect the s, but is longer. What text should I use? Kind regards Regina Hi, Regina, I agree that more than an 's' is needed. Rectangle Tool (without the box) would do as well, and is shorter. /tj/
Re: [VOTE] [PMC] Starting Membership for Apache OpenOffice PMC
[ X ] +1 approve [ ] 0 abstain [ ] -1 disapprove, for the following reasons: /tj/
Re: mWiki logo design
On 9/27/2012 12:35, imacat wrote: On 2012/09/27 17:25, Alexandro Colorado said: Hi I worked on the updated header of the mWiki site with the current Apache OO Logo including the gull symbols and the correct integration with the gradient background. Anyone can help me out understand how to commit this to the mWiki site, AFAIK this is not on the svn since is a service. I added an issue with the images assigned to the www-website category: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121107 OK. I have updated it. Please check if it works. ^_*' I see the new logo on the wiki main page, but nowhere else. Is that a problem? (Not a new problem.) /tj/ Also issue tracker administrator please close #121107, alone with #121131. ^_*' Thanks. I also have 2 types of approaches about using CSS to design the logo as opposed to be just a rasterized sequence of images.
Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla
On 9/20/2012 00:12, Herbert Duerr wrote: On 19.09.2012 20:34, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:24:11PM +0200, Oliver Brinzing wrote: Hi Regina, Your own new issue should be UNCONFIRMED. Someone else should confirm your issue, if possible on a different operating system. i am pretty sure that i did not set the confirmed status when submitting a new issue, default status is confirmed - and you have to select Show Advanced Fields to see the listbox ... this seems to be the root cause of the problem ... I agree with Oliver, the default status should be set to UNCONFIRMED even if the reporter has canconfirm privileges. IMHO confirmed means confirmed by some else. Seeing so much consensus I'm confident that we'll reach lazy consensus by next monday (2012/9/19 + 72h) and I volunteer to change the behavior then. So please speak up now if you disagree with the opinion that the extra step to the confirmed status is an idea that does benefit the quality of our project. Herbert +1 Just for the record, is this as simple as removing the check-mark from one entry in BZ Administration Bug Status Workflow ? /tj/
Re: Confluence Wiki offline?
On 9/20/2012 02:55, Shenfeng Liu wrote: I can not access other cwiki pages either, saying 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable... - Simon 2012/9/20 Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org Having issues getting in the cWiki URLs: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations was this a planned outage? -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org For future reference: http://monitoring.apache.org/status/ Right now this shows system Thor (Confluence wiki) as red-critical. This means that Infra is already aware of the problem. HTH, /tj/
Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla
On 9/19/2012 07:47, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I notice a quality problem in bugzilla. Far too many issues are in status CONFIRMED which should not be there. For comparing do a search with: Bug created 'greater or equal' 2008-09-18 and 'less than' 2009-09-18 and status changed from CONFIRMED and resolution is any of DUPLICATE, INVALID and same for the next years. And then do the same with status changed from UNCONFIRMED You get Year from UNCONFIRMED from CONFIRMED 2009 5003 2010 5001 2011 5007 2012 20482 Please, all those who have 'can confirm' rights in bugzilla, be more careful. - Your own new issue should be UNCONFIRMED. Someone else should confirm your issue, if possible on a different operating system. - Include duplicates in your search. You might not use the same words as the older active issue, but your words are likely used in already existing duplicates and those lead you to the active, already existing issue. - Make sure it is really a bug, and not only some settings or handling you miss. There are additional problems: - Operating systems are set to all although submitter has only used 1 system. - It is not clear, whether a problem occurs only with a special existing document or can be seen with new documents. - It is not clear whether the problem is new in our AOO or is inherited from OOo. - For import/export it is not clear, whether the different formats allow a correct mapping, or a mapping is not possible because of missing features. To be clear, this is not about bug reports from users or persons, that are not familiar with the special problem, but about issues, which were set to CONFIRMED by someone. And from that person I expect, that he/she cares for such things. Kind regards Regina I think I see how to prevent an initial CONFIRMED status in BZ. If we reach consensus, I will do that. (I am in favor.) /tj/ (BZ admin)
Re: [DOCUMENTATION] is the contribute information still valid
On 9/17/2012 18:22, Kay Schenk wrote: Just a quick question since we're discussing documentation lately. I'm looking at: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Contribute Are we still OK with this information? (from navigation: http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/ - contributing link) I will be making a few changes to fix some broken links etc and just thought I'd ask Hi, Kay, AFAIK, the info there is mostly valid. There are some product names to be changed a little; I would have done that, but maybe you work like I do: having some little stuff to fix helps me to concentrate on the rest of the text. There are some things, like the lack of mentoring, which I wish weren't valid, but fixing those is a much bigger problem. HTH, /tj/
Re: uno_packages\cache and roaming profiles?
On 9/17/2012 19:23, Rob Weir wrote: This brought to our attention on Google+: https://plus.google.com/b/114598373874764163668/116726439814896173562/posts/b9ydzhxmZKs If I understand correctly, the contents of the roaming profile are copied to the local machine at login time, and then copied back to the server at logout time. So if we are storing unnecessary data in the roaming profile this will perform poorly in scenarios like this. -Rob Link gives 404 error. /tj/
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Andrew, and all, I am tremendously flattered that my name has shown up on a couple of short lists, but (like Dennis) I am announcing my retirement from the PMC business. PMC membership is basically a people job, and I am not a people person. Worse, some technical skills are required to perform certain PMC functions, and I lack those (so far). I will stick around until graduation, in case I can help with something. After that, if the PMC decides to allow non-members to subscribe to private, I will. As a committer, I will continue my work on the Mwiki, and expand my skills. Maybe I can learn enough C++ and SVN to take a crack at some of the Basic bugs. /tj/
Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO
On 9/16/2012 14:04, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: On 09/15/2012 06:18 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Greetings All; In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Guides+Revisted. It offers 3 scenarios or the creation of the docs. I believe that we can no longer put this issue aside. Please take a look at the page and eel free to comment there and on this list. Also feel free to add to or change any content there. Regards Keith N. McKenna Keith, Thanks for starting this and for the wiki doc -- it will be very helpful. Because writing documentation (user guides, howtos, tutorials) is a relatively easy entry point for new volunteers to help out, I've been thinking about this as well the last few days. So, I will make some comments on the wiki page, and probably some changes on both www.openoffice.org/documentation area and the Documentation wiki start page as well. Hi Kay; Thanks or the comments, fell free to edit the hell out of the wiki doc. It is meant to generate some serious discussion on how we go about getting *Quality* documentation. I agree that Howtos and even some tutorials are a good entry point for people, user guides however may be a bit of a different story. There the services of good tech writers are important. That point is what drove Scenario 2. Utilizing the work that has already been done as a leverage point to get Quality work out in a timely manner. Also there are some folks at the ODFAuthors site that have expressed an interest in working on the AOO docs, but have shied away due to inactivity. Hopefully if we show that we are serious in our attempt we *_MAY_* be able to get some additional help. Hi, Keith, As a long-time volunteer with ODFA (formerly OOA), I can promise that we (AOO) can get documents from them. The cost of this option is (1) a legal review and approval of CC-BY v3; (2) some storage (WG v3.2 is 15.5 MB, so call it 100 or 200 MB per version, probably as .odt and .pdf files on the Mwiki. The download volume/bandwidth has been too low to cause any problems, but I have no stats); and (3) a little politeness. If someone will handle Point (1), so that we have our ducks in a row, I will volunteer to handle Point (3). I can check on Point (2), but I don't think it's a problem. /tj/ I will look forward to your edits on the wiki and the doc site. As an aside, is there a developer snapshot available or 3.5 yet? I would like to start work on the Getting Started Guide on the ODFAuthors site and it makes sense to make edits based on 3.5 since that will be the most likely next release. Regards Keith
Re: Moderating ooo-private
On 9/15/2012 17:51, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 12-09-15, at 11:34 , Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: With regard to inappropriate messages to ooo-private, I agree that it is a good idea to provide better information and to discourage the use of ooo-private for this kind of traffic. I think one problem is that some folks want their request to be personal and all think they are (or want to be) reaching a support organization. yes. I conducted an experiment to see how the list rejects messages. The bounce I received is the message immediately below. The original request to ooo-private was returned in an attachment. That is attached to this message but I don't know that it will be preserved on ooo-dev. What that message is like is posted below the Rejection Message. Peter can probably speak to this, too, but when I was doing this kind of list and many others at OOo, I received routinely a lot of posts to webmasters@, usually by people wanting to communicate with a Turing-competent entity, like me, or even better. They reached that list/alias via contacts@. No matter what we wrote on that page, no matter how they were redirected to the Support page—no matter what, short of Moses and some tablets—they did what I do when confronted with voicemail and sought humanity in an electron. So it goes. Lesson: live with it but try all the same. Louis Hi, Louis, IIRC, I wrote to Webmaster@oo.o, about a glitch on a web page. I got a polite little reply from a fellow whose name I recognized from the Council listing. I was just another user, then; I was very impressed. My point is that these contacts do serve a purpose, at least occasionally. Hope this makes our hard-working monitors feel better. /tj/
Re: OpenOffice file loss on crashes
On 9/14/2012 05:52, RGB ES wrote: 2012/9/14 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr Hello, I strongly suggest that an important alteration to all future releases of AOO should be a file save protocol whereby at least a version of the file being edited is saved as a backup file. See this issue: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=111290 Another way will be to modify by default Options Load/Save General. Always create backup copy should be checked and Save AutoRecovery take too much time. It shouldn't be 15 min, but 2-3 minutes. +1. But with a difference: those backup files are saved on the user profile folder. That user profile is hidden on all OSs and for most users a hidden folder means they will not be able to find the backup file without guidance. Regards Ricardo Hi, folks, The changes you're suggesting would probably help. But what would help more is fixing the !#$%* problem! I use Writer heavily, and since 2.0 I have never seen this bug. However, I run with a big UPS, and *never* have power failures. AOO should behave gracefully for those. There should be some way to rig a VM to simulate a power failure for the o/s (which is much easier on the hardware than testing with actual power failures). Then maybe the devs can find and fix the bug. /tj/
Re: Volunteers needed to pickup some tasks
On 9/9/2012 12:25, David McKay wrote: On 09/09/12 17:19, David McKay wrote: On 08/09/12 22:06, TJ Frazier wrote: On 9/8/2012 16:50, tj wrote: On 9/8/2012 12:01, David McKay wrote: On 08/09/12 06:50, Rob Weir wrote: 2. Bugzilla Admin I can probably help out on this item, if someone can send me some details of what is involved/expected (I have been a Bugzilla admin as part of a paid role in a previous job). Dave. Hi, Dave, I remember your previous posts on this, and your help will be very welcome. I am totally ignorant of the underlying code, so as a BZ admin I stick to the little day-to-day stuff: adding privileges or deleting too-personal attachments. Others are of course welcome to do those, too; if I don't know somebody from the list, I generally wait three days (lazy consensus) and add privileges if nobody objects. Some of the larger things which have been done by others (including Rob) involve adding fields or groups, and adding values to field lists (e.g. 3.4.1 to the version options). If you are not already an admin, let me know your BZ id. Never mind, found it. Welcome to BZ admin. --/tj/ Great, thank you. I'm on vacation right now and away from home, so my access to email and the net are sporadic. Thanks for the inclusion to BZ Admin. I just checked and I do indeed have admin rights. Is there a list somewhere of things that need doing, or do they arrive in an ad-hoc fashion? And is there a list of the BZ admins so we all know who the others are? Dave. Things-to-do have been just trickling in, at a low rate, maybe 1 per week. Last week was really busy: 4 requests! :-) If the volume picks up, we might discuss some more formal list arrangement. For BZ admins, won't BZ give us a group-membership list? Haven't looked. /tj/
Re: Moderating AOO Public Lists - #2 Moderation
On 9/10/2012 16:36, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: [Part 2 of tips for list moderators] MODERATION [AND PRIVATE-LIST SUBSCRIPTION] REQUESTS ARE SENT TO ALL MODERATORS Since the request is sent as an e-mail, each moderator receives the same request. The first moderation wins. You'll receive a notice if your moderation arrives when another moderator's action has already been taken. That doesn't happen very often. The moderation request has the message being moderated as an attachment. Be careful with it. I will cover only moderation requests here. Subscription requests for private lists are rather tricky. 1. SPAM DROPPING If the message is clearly spam, IGNORE IT. Using the moderation-request rejection option will send a message back to the original sender. That is undesirable. It confirms to spammers that they've reached a working e-mail address. Don't do that. 2. OFF-PURPOSE MESSAGES As a moderator, I don't make it my job to handle messages that appear legitimate but are sent to the wrong list. List subscribers can do that. And if this is happening too much, it suggests that something needs to be done to help submitters find the correct place more easily. What I do is moderate the message onto the list. I have rarely used the reject option, and only when I am confident the e-mail is from a legitimate sender. There are two basic ways to moderate a message onto the list. 1. The message can be accepted in accordance with the instructions in the moderation-request e-mail. That is a one-time acceptance. 2. Another way is to accept that message and all future messages to the list from that sender. The way to accept all messages from the sender is to make a REPLY ALL to the moderation-request message. That is, your reply to the request is addressed to both the accept and the reject addresses. (This solution is not always listed in the -help message. It works though.) You will have to delete the non-disclosed-recipients e-mail address if that appears in your Reply All message. 3. An alternative is to send a rejection with explanation. That is probably not great. The messages from the robot are lengthy and cryptic. It may be difficult for the original sender. 4. Finally, you can reply to the attachment and be helpful directly. I've done that. I don't make a practice of it. It moves response and awareness of the kinds of questions from the list to the moderator. If you *do* do this, it is wise to copy listname-owner@ so that other moderators will know what happened. It is also good to check the list to verify that some other moderator did not already allow the message through. 3. ON-PURPOSE MESSAGES I recommend the second moderation-in technique for these. This can also happen when a list subscriber uses a different e-mail than the one they have subscribed to the list. Discussion? - Dennis When moderating a couple of OO.o lists in their dying days, I took a more aggressive approach to spammers. If they were sending from any of the large U.S. ISPs (MS, Google, Yahoo, ATT, et al.) I would follow the complaint procedure to try to get the account closed. (This is a little different for the different companies: MS wants attachments, while others want pasted parts of the offending email.) MS in particular is polite about it; I'd get a note saying that the account has been closed. Others say thanks, but cite privacy regs, which I consider bogus; nonetheless, I don't recall ever getting any more spam from a complained-about account, if the ISP acked the complaint. Note that this requires careful analysis of the internal headers: the main address is often munged, and you need to go way down to the last received from header. I have a little list of useful URLs to look up IP owners and ISP complaint addresses, if anybody wants it. One real success was with a number of spammers from a .edu address. The admin I wrote to replied politely that the situation would be handled, and it was: their spam vanished. This kind of work takes some time, but it makes the Net better for everybody, not just our ML. /tj/
Re: [Bugzilla ADMINS] Remove the MySQL Connector/OOo from bugzilla
On 9/9/2012 07:17, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: Hi, As part of the moving of MySQL native sdbc driver from AOO to AOO-extras: http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/aoo-my-sdbc/ I reviewed all bugs relating to native driver, closed as wontfix here, all unconfirmed or confirmed bugs with related to native driver. During the review process I removed the MySQL Connector/OOo label and set as none, if the bug was connected to other part of AOO Base, and not connected the MySQL native driver. Created new issues on AOO-extras which I found as not solved: See issues from 2 to 6: http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/aoo-my-sdbc/issues/list Now I finished this work, MySQL Connector/OOo needs to make unselectable when you submiting a new bug. Please do it. Thanks, Zoltan The database access sub-component MySQL etc. has been disabled for new bugs. /tj/
Re: Volunteers needed to pickup some tasks
On 9/8/2012 12:01, David McKay wrote: On 08/09/12 06:50, Rob Weir wrote: I'm raising my focus a little in this project to look more into some larger ecosystem opportunities. As part of this change in focus I'll have less time to deal with day-to-day operational aspects of the project. So I'd like to shed some responsibilities and I hope there are volunteers able or willing to learn to pick up the following: 1. List moderation. I intend to stop moderating dev, users, marketing, qa and private. 2. Bugzilla Admin I can probably help out on this item, if someone can send me some details of what is involved/expected (I have been a Bugzilla admin as part of a paid role in a previous job). Dave. Hi, Dave, I remember your previous posts on this, and your help will be very welcome. I am totally ignorant of the underlying code, so as a BZ admin I stick to the little day-to-day stuff: adding privileges or deleting too-personal attachments. Others are of course welcome to do those, too; if I don't know somebody from the list, I generally wait three days (lazy consensus) and add privileges if nobody objects. Some of the larger things which have been done by others (including Rob) involve adding fields or groups, and adding values to field lists (e.g. 3.4.1 to the version options). If you are not already an admin, let me know your BZ id. /tj/
Re: Volunteers needed to pickup some tasks
On 9/8/2012 16:50, tj wrote: On 9/8/2012 12:01, David McKay wrote: On 08/09/12 06:50, Rob Weir wrote: I'm raising my focus a little in this project to look more into some larger ecosystem opportunities. As part of this change in focus I'll have less time to deal with day-to-day operational aspects of the project. So I'd like to shed some responsibilities and I hope there are volunteers able or willing to learn to pick up the following: 1. List moderation. I intend to stop moderating dev, users, marketing, qa and private. 2. Bugzilla Admin I can probably help out on this item, if someone can send me some details of what is involved/expected (I have been a Bugzilla admin as part of a paid role in a previous job). Dave. Hi, Dave, I remember your previous posts on this, and your help will be very welcome. I am totally ignorant of the underlying code, so as a BZ admin I stick to the little day-to-day stuff: adding privileges or deleting too-personal attachments. Others are of course welcome to do those, too; if I don't know somebody from the list, I generally wait three days (lazy consensus) and add privileges if nobody objects. Some of the larger things which have been done by others (including Rob) involve adding fields or groups, and adding values to field lists (e.g. 3.4.1 to the version options). If you are not already an admin, let me know your BZ id. Never mind, found it. Welcome to BZ admin. --/tj/
Re: [DISCUSS] defining roles for management, coordination, work items...
On 9/8/2012 13:50, Dave Fisher wrote: On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:50 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, I would like to give my thoughts on defining roles for management, ... as the thread Specific actions needed for developing the community tends to become a general one on this topic. For me we, the AOO community, need to have an idea about the different roles which need to be fullfilled to drive our project: - role of developer - role of forum admin - role of tester - role of UX practitioners - role of release manager - role of community manager internal / project(?) - role of marketing person external / ecosystem(?) - role of press contact - role of distribution manager - role of buildbot admin - ... role of translators (l10n) role of infrastructure role of moderators for various MLs role of Mwiki admin (mostly me, now; help welcome) role of BZ admin (doing a little of that, just added Dave McKay) /tj/ From my point of view these are more or less areas of the project which need to be fullfilled with certain actions and coordination. What I do not believe is that we need to assign certain individuals on these roles (*). I agree with Jürgen that certain individuals will grow their expertise in a certain role/area and as a contributor will take action or raise flag due to lack of resources, knowlegde, ... I think we already had quite a couple of good examples for such a habit. But, I also have to admit that for certain other roles we did not yet succeed as we could and should. And here comes the responsibility of the (P)PMC - its management duty, if you want. The (P)PMC as a group takes care that the roles are fullfilled. E.g., by raising a corresponding gap on ooo-dev, by calling for discussion and volunteers, by leveraging new and/or established members. My thoughts are also based on the fact that Apache had only two roles in a project to by assigned to a certain individual - the PMC chair and the release manager. As pointed out above, I think that we need to work out the need and the working tasks for certain roles in our project. This work out is from my point of view a community task which could or may be should be driven by the current PPMC in order to demonstrate our self-governance. This is good. I think that there are four parts in no particular order. We've done a lot of definition already. This is about reorganizing and formalizing the arrangement. Some of these teams of role players will be small and some large. (1) Defining the role so that any volunteer can know how to start helping. (2) Defining who on the (P)PMC will have oversight with the charge of guiding volunteers and identifying committers. This person should be a player-coach and not a manager. (3) Defining workflow around these roles. Different sets of roles will need to work together. (A) Developing a Release - developer, tester, ux, buildbot. (B) Building / Passing a Release - buildbot, release, community. (C) Distributing a Release - distribution, infrastructure, marketing, press. (D) Supporting Users - forum, tester, ux, community, marketing. (4) What infrastructure the role uses. I think that this should be documented in the incubator website at least for overview and navigation about project roles. Each group that self-organizes around a role should use whatever project resource makes sense for them. Regards, Dave Best regards, Oliver. (*) except the ones for the PMC chair and the release manager, of course, as they are part of the Apache Way.
Re: [QA][Request]Apply for the membership of AOO QA and edit permission in Bugzilla.
On 9/2/2012 21:40, dongjun zong wrote: I still can't confirm bugs in BZ. my id is:zongdj...@gmail.com Would you pls help have a look? You seem to have two separate BZ accounts: zongdj001 and zongdongjun. Neither has canconfirm permission. Since no one has objected, I have set the 001 account for confirm, edit, and QA. Have fun! /tj/ (BZ admin) 2012/9/1 tj t...@apache.org On 8/31/2012 08:27, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: In the original OOo, I had the role to confirm bugs and such, did those roles transfer to the Apache system? According to what I see in BZ, they did for you. If you run into limitations, please write again; I'll do my best to fix them. /tj/ (BZ admin)
Re: [QA][Request]Apply for the membership of AOO QA and edit permission in Bugzilla.
On 8/31/2012 08:27, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: In the original OOo, I had the role to confirm bugs and such, did those roles transfer to the Apache system? According to what I see in BZ, they did for you. If you run into limitations, please write again; I'll do my best to fix them. /tj/ (BZ admin)
Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download
On 8/30/2012 08:09, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:10:37 +0200 Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org wrote: Hi Rory Am 30.08.12 12:57, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: This morning the en-Forum received the following query http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15t=55992 To save you looking it up, the User asked if there would be a torrent connection for AOO 3.4.x, as there had been for OOo 3.3 and earlier. At the Moment no. But it's not the first request for torrent. Torrent would be also interesting for unofficial Developer builds, to distribute the load a bit on defferent computer. The problem is: at the Moment we have no Torrent Tracker. But I could ask my brother if he is willing to setup a torrent tracker for us. He was working on the torrent at the old OOo project. I'm willing to host a seeding peer Greetings Raphael Thank you, Raphael. I'll reply to the query that torrent downloads are under consideration and that I will post further information when/if available. Hi, Rory, Raphael, The technical side is no problem: anybody can distribute AOO, by any means from torrent to carrier pigeon. The problem is, do we put a link on the AOO site? The PMC is going to want to get involved with that. Good luck. /tj/
Re: [QA Report]Weekly report
On 8/27/2012 02:52, Ji Yan wrote: Hi all, I put QA weekly report in [1]. also defect status report in [2]. Please review. [1]http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/WeeklyReport/20120827 [2]http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/DefectStatus/20120827 Hi, http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/Report/DefectStatus/DefectStatus20120827/WeeklyConfirmed shows the same Issue number for all entries. /tj/
Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On 8/19/2012 11:52, Rob Weir wrote: Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] this is the optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our willingness/readiness to govern ourselves. If this vote passes then we continue by drafting a charter, submitting it for IPMC endorsement, and then to the ASF Board for final approval. Details can be found in the Guide to Successful Graduation. Everyone in the community is encouraged to vote. Votes from PPMC members and Mentors are binding. This vote will run 72-hours. [x] +1 Apache OpenOffice community is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator. The real test will be the process (not the result, the process) of picking the PMC and the Chair. Should be interesting. /tj/
Re: [INFO][WEBSITE]: improved usability with simplified Urls to reach some of our services
Uh, Dave,
Do you mean s/wiki/forum/?
/tj/
On 8/15/2012 12:55, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:37 AM, drew jensen wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 17:08 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Aug 14, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
On 14/08/2012 RGB ES wrote:
2012/8/14 RGB ES:
Good! But I'm finding a weird behaviour on the forums... If I enter on
the old url
http://user.services.openoffice.org/
I'm NOT redirected. If I open bot, the new and the old address and
log-in in the new, in the old one I'm still logged off
I would consider this to be normal behavior. Authentication is probably managed
through a cookie that is sent back to the originating site (the originating
subdomain) only. So user.services.openoffice.org has no way to know that you
are logged in at forum.openoffice.org, unless we completely rewrite all URLs in
the form user.services.openoffice.org/SOMETHING to
forum.openoffice.org/SOMETHING .
Not only confusing, but also problematic: if you log-in on the new
address and then click on an old link that cross reference to another
post you'll arrive to a page on which you are not logged in any
more!
If we have hardcoded links that are not rewritten (i.e., if pages on forum.openoffice.org contain
internal links that reference user.services.openoffice.org explicitly), then it would
be better to use an external redirect as explained above.
Currently both user.services.openoffice.org and forum.openoffice.org are
directed to the same IP by DNS.
Also wiki.services.openoffice.org and wiki.openoffice.org are directed to the
same IP by DNS.
What is different is that for the wiki the Apache Traffic Server is in front
and it does do the necessary redirection to wiki.openoffice.org.
Should we do something similar for the user forums?
Regards,
Dave
Regards,
Andrea.
Hi,
Just checked and the phpBB installation, for En at least but I'd assume
same for all, list the base URL of the site as
user.services.openoffice.org, all generated links then use this.
Isn't it proper now to use the forum.openoffice.org address?
Don't suppose doing so would help alleviate the currently discussed
problem though.
It would be proper in combination with a virtual host entry in the ooo-fourms'
apache2.conf file for wiki.services.openoffice.org and then to redirect all of
that traffic to wiki.openoffice.org permanently.
# change wiki.services.openoffice.org/... to wiki.openoffice.org/...
RewriteCond ${lowercase:%{HTTP_HOST}} ^wiki\.services\.openoffice\.org$
RewriteRule ^wiki\.services\.openoffice\.org/(.*)
http://wiki.openoffice.org/$1 [NE,L,R=permanent]
However - it is also possible to configure phpBB such that the software
determines, at runtime versus a hard coded setting, what the proper base
domain name is - now that might be worth a test..
@imacat - what do you think?
Yes, what do you think?
Regards,
Dave
Thanks,
//drew
Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating), RC2
On 8/15/2012 18:52, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: Is there a reason that the README in the source release is still pointing at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXBuildInstructions for Mac Builds? Minimally this then points to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AquaBuild this doesn't seem exactly like what was used for 3.4.0? Would someone check the Build instructions and then update to be very clear what is current. I am proceeding with my tests as if the prerequisites have not changed and that I have them from my AOO 3.4 tests build. I am stuck and I am stopping. I am very unhappy with the instructions on the WIki page. I needed help with 3.4 and now I need help with 3.4.1. Please show me the simplest way to build on a Mac from Source and show me on the Wiki based on http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXBuildInstructions BTW - Remember that SOURCE is the ONLY OFFICIAL RELEASE. That is your opinion, expressed loudly; it is not Apache or IPMC policy. We are officially voting on binaries as well and these are being inspected and these will be part of the official release. The IPMC doc calls the source artifacts canonical, but the same docs talk about binaries being included in the official release as well. In fact, it says of binary packages, For some projects, this makes sense. For others, it does not. Obviously you have your own opinion on this, but it is equally true that the vast majority of PPMC members have a different opinion. -Rob Rob, Please consider the blistering email from Roy T. Fielding, to general@inc and to infra, on 3/27, 05:50, opposing released' binaries. IMHO, he will need to change his mind. OTOH, he is a founder and board member ... (Sorry for no neat refs; I keep my own archives :-) ) /tj/ (I really don't want to -1 this release.) Regards, Dave Thanks Regards, Dave Begin forwarded message: From: Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com Date: August 15, 2012 7:01:47 AM PDT To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating), RC2 Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org delivered-to: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Hi, please vote on this email to ooo-dev only, thanks. On 8/15/12 2:02 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the following candidate as Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating). This will be our first bug fix release after the AOO 3.4 from May 8th. A further milestone to show that we deliver good and stable software with focus on quality. It will again help to continue the success of OpenOffice.org and will gain confidence in OpenOffice. This time I did not prepare a separate page to highlighting the release candidate. We had developer snapshot since several weeks and the latest one based on revision 1372282 is intended to become released if the voting succeeds. That means and to make it clear you vote here on the final release based on this snapshot build. This release is intended to be a bug fix release and to introduce some further languages: (1) 71 issues are fixed and a detailed list can be watched under http://s.apache.org/Huv. (2) 5 further languages are now officially supported: British English, Khmer, Slovenian, Slovak, and Finnish. For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Release+Notes. The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary releases for 20 languages) and further information how to verify and review Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) can be found on the following wiki page: hhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO3.4.1 Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating). The vote starts now and will be open until: Saturday, 18 August: 2012-08-18 2:00pm UTC+2. After the vote of the PPMC the vote will start on gene...@incubtor.apache.org mailing and will be open for further 72 hours. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because...
Re: Need MWiki Admin assistance to correct Google Analytics code
On 8/13/2012 23:09, Dave Fisher wrote: On Aug 13, 2012, at 4:39 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: On 8/13/2012 17:20, Dave Fisher wrote: On Aug 13, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Rob Weir wrote: No response to this note or BZ issue :-( https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120301 I'm told that we have only two people who have sys admin access to the wiki: imacat and Raphael. I appreciate that we're all busy with many other things, but I'd greatly appreciate it if this change can be made. It should be easy since Google Analytics is already integrated. We just need to update the account codes. I am also looking for help from the MWiki Admin to complete the activation of wiki.openoffice.org. It looks like the ATS code needs to recognize the URL (or MWiki does). The httpd config is simple so the trouble is not there. Regards, Dave Dave, AFAIK, Mwiki is only listening on 127.0.0.1, or some such, with ATS on the other end. I know of no one with ATS expertise (I would like to complain about stale pages), but it /is/ an active Apache project ... BTW - The MWiki now answers to wiki.openoffice.org. wiki.services.openoffice.org, doc.services.openoffice.org and ooo-wiki.apache.org are all redirected to wiki.openoffice.org. This all happens in DNS and Apache Traffic Server. Please describe the stale page problem. Regards, Dave Thanks for your work; the users will appreciate it. The stale page problem has been on the back burner for several reasons: (1) it is flaky (unable to reproduce to order); (2) there is a 100% workaround, although tricky: see http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Moving_Day (which, looking up the above link, I just this minute needed to use!); and (3) the cache times out on its own, eventually. Most commonly, I land on a page displaying the Log In / Create Account link. Sometimes (like today) I need to log in; other times I see the You are logged in as dialog, with the login box all filled out. Whatever I do, the subsequent display still shows the un-logged-in page. Rarely, I am already logged in, and link to a page which displays Log In (frequently not in English; usually German). Worst, after editing a page and saving, the subsequent display shows the unchanged original (scary!). In all cases, the purge=1 returns to normalcy. You can see on the ML's that other users hit the same problem. I refer them to Moving Day. I attribute the problem to ATS, only because I never saw it until ATS was added (not definitive). So far, I have not seen any stale pages logged in to another user, as I did at Collabnet. That would be a major security breach, and I would raise hell. Thanks for listening. Anything you can do about it would be a big help. /tj/ /tj/ Thanks! -Rob On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I need some help, from a MWiki admin, to fix the issue reported here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120301 I tried a JIRA issue with Infra, but they said that our admins need to handle this. I'd be happy to do this myself, but I don't have permissions. Thanks! -Rob
Re: Need MWiki Admin assistance to correct Google Analytics code
On 8/13/2012 17:20, Dave Fisher wrote: On Aug 13, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Rob Weir wrote: No response to this note or BZ issue :-( https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120301 I'm told that we have only two people who have sys admin access to the wiki: imacat and Raphael. I appreciate that we're all busy with many other things, but I'd greatly appreciate it if this change can be made. It should be easy since Google Analytics is already integrated. We just need to update the account codes. I am also looking for help from the MWiki Admin to complete the activation of wiki.openoffice.org. It looks like the ATS code needs to recognize the URL (or MWiki does). The httpd config is simple so the trouble is not there. Regards, Dave Dave, AFAIK, Mwiki is only listening on 127.0.0.1, or some such, with ATS on the other end. I know of no one with ATS expertise (I would like to complain about stale pages), but it /is/ an active Apache project ... /tj/ Thanks! -Rob On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I need some help, from a MWiki admin, to fix the issue reported here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120301 I tried a JIRA issue with Infra, but they said that our admins need to handle this. I'd be happy to do this myself, but I don't have permissions. Thanks! -Rob
Re: Yes. You can do this with OpenOffice. (MysteryGuitarMan video with OpenOffice Mac)
On 8/10/2012 14:29, Dave Fisher wrote: On Aug 10, 2012, at 7:05 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: (answering below so that Paolo gets all context; he is not subscribed so CC him if relevant) On 10/08/2012 Rob Weir wrote: If you don't know this guy's work you should really check it out. He has over 2 million YouTube subscribers. It is hard to describe, but I'd say it is 1/3 one-man band, 1/3 stop motion animation, 1/3 green screen work. And 100% fun. https://www.youtube.com/user/MysteryGuitarMan His latest video is called Stop-Motion Excel. But if you look closely you see that he is actually using OpenOffice for the Mac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq9EV2fYF2E And here is the behind the scenes video that explains how he did it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PCTinsZ7dM This is a fun video and good for showing friends and family what you are working on. Let's try to get the world out, via the social networking site, both project's and personal. And if you want to add a comment to the YouTube post pointing out that this is OpenOffice and it can be downloaded for free from www.openoffice.org, then great! This is a good way to introduce the product to more users. Bonus points for adapting an old ASCII Art algorithm to generate a spreadsheet from a photo. If anyone can do that I'll interview them for a blog post and show of their work. Regards, -Rob Paolo Mantovani, an expert of OpenOffice macros and an OpenOffice.org Conference speaker, published his Macro and RockRoll series back in 2008. See for example http://ooomacros.blogspot.it/2008/12/macro-e-rock-3_14.html and the embedded AC/DC video there. It looks like he might be the man you are looking for. That's totally insane! Great work. It makes me think that there could be some value in thinking outside of the box and rethinking multimedia in the context of a spreadsheet. For example, today the only data type a cell can contain is a number and a string. Boolean and date as well, but they are just special kinds of numbers. What if we had an intrinsic data type for an image? Or a sound clip? And functions that could operate on these data types. For example, if an image is added to a cell (via edit menu, or paste or drag drop) then it can operate like a normal data type for many operations. So if there is an image in cell A1 and another in B1, then the formula =(A1+B1)/2 would yield an image that average the two. Diffing images, scaling them, etc., have natural interpretations. You could even have new spreadsheet functions that operate directly on image data, e.g., sharpen, blur, FFT, deconvolution, etc. You could imagine the same with a data type for audio. Why limit this to images and audio? Have spreadsheets store object references. The objects can be xml constructs. Objects implement some set of operators and common functions while the stubs for others automatically return an error. You could return custom objects from special functions and it would be cool if those were drawing objects attached to the cell or range. =MyHighQualityLogChart(A1,B1,C1:1000,D1:1000) If the object type is not available on the machine then the cell is automatically protected. This becomes a great way to send results to clients. So this gets more similar to a Mathematica type experience, where you can have calculations that mix standard numerical operations, but also interact with multimedia, both as a source and a destination for data. For example, you can take a range of data, calculated based on other formula, and render it as a sound or an image. It is an opportunity. Spreadsheets have not really enhance their basic computational model since Visicalc. Very intriguing. People love to use spreadsheets to define business processes and trade analytic models. Regards, Dave -Rob Regards, Andrea. Good idea: there are lots of good uses for pictures (and other objects) in spreadsheets. But the actual picture manipulations might be better put into Draw (or another module — Pix? Snappy?), where they would be of use for pictures in all the other documents (spreadsheets, text, presentations, databases). /tj/
Re: Bug report
On 7/20/2012 23:30, Jose wrote: Even if you can just close and open OOo Writer, you didn't have to do that in version 3.3. Oh, and I'm also using Windows Vista if it matters. You are quite correct. Under 3.3, the change is visible as soon as you click Okay. Under OO.o 3.4 beta and AOO 3.4, a restart is necessary. If you file a bug report, you may use the keyword regression. I have replied directly to you, because you are not subscribed to this list. Please send your replies to the list. /tj/ On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Jose josedrop...@gmail.com mailto:josedrop...@gmail.com wrote: So you have to close it first and then open it? On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM, tj t...@apache.org mailto:t...@apache.org wrote: On 7/20/2012 15:36, Jose wrote: *Big Icons bug report* *Bug report for OOo version 3.4* * * You can't make icons big in Writer for version 3.4 the same way you used to be able to in version 3.3 (Tools -- Options -- OpenOffice.org -- View -- It seems that you can, at least under WV. When I change my setting from small to large, then close AOO (including the Quickstarter) and reopen it, I get large icons. /tj/
Re: How does hunspell deal with dots in wordlists?
Although used by AOO, Hunspell is not an Apache product. Google is your friend. --/tj/ On 7/20/2012 21:42, Sahand.T wrote: Hi I'm about to create a wordlist and am considering including abbreviations in the wordlist. Before I do that I need to know how hunspell deals with dots (.) in the wordlist. Are dots even allowed in the wordlist for hunspell? If so, can I even write an abbreviation like O.K. with a dot after the final letter and have hunspell correct O.K to O.K.? I tried this: - $ test.dic 1 O.K. $ test.txt O.K O.K. $ analyze test.aff test.dic test.txt O.K Unknown word. O.K. - The O.K Turned up as an unknown word and the O.K. (with dot in end) didn't show anything at all. What does that mean? If I change the OK in the dic file to O.K (without final dot) everything is fine: - $ test.dic 1 O.K $ analyze test.aff test.dic test.txt O.K analyze(O.K) = st:O.K stem(O.K) = O.K O.K. analyze(O.K.) = st:O.K analyze(O.K.) = st:O.K stem(O.K.) = O.K - The problem here is that it doesn't correct O.K to O.K. which is what I want. Thanks /S.Taher
Re: Install developer build side by side with regular version instead of overwriting it
On 7/21/2012 16:17, Andrea Pescetti wrote: RGB ES wrote: 2012/7/21 floris v: I just downloaded and installed the latest developer snapshot/build and found that it replaces the stable version. I think that that was on purpose: we are really close to 3.4.1 release so it's time to test install issues. Exactly, it was discussed earlier on this list. Anyway, there was a quite prominent warning on the download page last time I checked (it seems https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots is temporarily unavailable at the moment). You can always install several versions in parallel. For Linux the procedure is here We have a semi-official page about this on the wiki too: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Run_OOo_versions_parallel Regards, Andrea. FWIW, I'm currently running (under WV) 3.3 (regular install), 3.4 beta (dev install), and AOO 3.4 (parallel install, per Andrea's link). I don't turn on any of the Quickstarters (that would be pushing it), and only run one version at a time, but all work well. Depending on where you specify the data should go, the parallel version may cause security hassles with Windows permissions, but there are several ways around that. /tj/
Re: development question of future feature
On 7/16/2012 18:07, Kevin Grignon wrote: KG01 - Hey all, I'm back from the unconnected world. Great topic. See comments inline. On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Yong Lin Ma mayo...@apache.org wrote: Just for the property sidebar. Kevin have done some analysis about how it can be integrated into AOO. KG01 - Indeed, Symphony sidebar has some great behavior that we should adopt. My assessment identifies specific aspects of the Symphony UX to adopt, and identifies opportunities for AOO improvement as well. Ideally, we can provide a hybrib that reprenents the best of both tools. Next step is to move the line items into Bugzilla. I would also note that there ate many aspects of Symphony UX that would be great to adopt. See. AOO UX wiki for more details. The problem is the migration of it from Symphony won't be straightforward and no one is actually working on it as far as I know. KG01 - h On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: Hi Yong Lin Ma, 2012/7/16 Yong Lin Ma mayo...@apache.org You may share ideas with Kevin who is working on UI changes backlogs. Or propose ideas by yourself here KG01 - visit the AOO UX wiki for more information on how we can move forward on our next generation UI. What I find a great feature in LS is the Context sensitive toolbar which allows to reduce the number of available toolbars in the Vue menu. KG01 - Context sensitive toolbars are a great way to manage complexity and to progressively disclose tool actions. The Symphony task pane is a great start. We could explore other approaches to reduce the number of commands presented in the toolbars and make the available sections more contextual. But OK, I'm a Symphony user. Perhaps this feature would be found unpleasant for most OpenOffice users. Meanwhile, the impossibility to deplace this toolbar in the work area is perhaps discutable. A+ -- gw KG01 - Re: next generation AOO UI. I will start a discussion thread on the AOO wiki to advance this exploration. See wiki for details. Hi, Kevin, Two quick comments: (1) Links to the wiki are helpful to your readers here. (2) Pictures of the Symphony details are worth 10K words, especially in the .ODT documents (it's easier there than on the wiki). /tj/
Re: Bug report
On 7/20/2012 15:36, Jose wrote: *Big Icons bug report* *Bug report for OOo version 3.4* * * You can't make icons big in Writer for version 3.4 the same way you used to be able to in version 3.3 (Tools -- Options -- OpenOffice.org -- View -- It seems that you can, at least under WV. When I change my setting from small to large, then close AOO (including the Quickstarter) and reopen it, I get large icons. /tj/
Re: [CODE][UX] Bugs 25945 Show/Hide Scroll Bar Tips on Writer
On 7/18/2012 11:19, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: snip The current page number is displayed in this field of the status bar. A double-click opens the Navigator, with which you can navigate in the document. A right-click shows all bookmarks in the document. Click a bookmark to position the text cursor at the bookmark location. Ariel, Thanks for the tip. I will be using this right-click option a lot, because the bookmark list here has the very useful property of being in document order. On the Navigator, they appear in alpha order. For a long list of bookmarks, alpha order may be useful, but for my lists (6 or 8 marks), document order is much handier. /tj/ (learning something every day ...)
Re: [wiki][help] I cannot log into QA pages
Hi On 7/12/2012 21:48, liu ping wrote: I meet the same condition on IE 8 ,but delete all the cookies/history/temporarily data ..., IE work well I also execute the below step on firefox browser, work well On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:11 AM, lou ql louqin...@gmail.com wrote: Click the login/create account at the top-right corner, then enter my username and password, click login the page refreshed, but at the top-rigth corner, it still display log in/create account but not my name... I click it again the page containing user name and password fields appears, while the top-right corner displays my name now... Then I click my contributions and select the page I want to edit. unfortunately, log in/create account displaying in the coming page thus I cannot edit the page... I tried reopen the web browser, clean the historycookies, with firefox or IE, all fails... I can login the main page( http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page), and also correct when I go to those I never opened. But once I open the QA pages, I will be kicked out. -- Regards, Lou QingLe This is a stale page problem, caused by the interaction between Apache Traffic Server and the MediaWiki software. Some tuning by a site maintainer is needed to fix it. You may encounter the problem during login, or just after editing a page. There is a good workaround (purge=1) detailed at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Moving_Day /tj/
PyUNOServer link dead
On the PyUNOServer wiki page [1], the download should be available from [2], but that gives a 404 error. Anybody know where the zip file might be, or a better one? I'll be glad to update the wiki, if someone can provide a good URL. [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/PyUNOServer [2] http://es.openoffice.org/files/documents/73/2929/pyUnoServer.tar.gz /tj/
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] proposal to activate the update service for OOo 3.2 and OOo 3.2.1
On 6/28/2012 16:07, Hagar Delest wrote: Le jeu. 28 juin 2012 11:27:54 CEST, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com a écrit : On 27.06.2012 14:58, Rob Weir wrote: But one question: Has anyone actually tested the upgrade experience from OOo 3.2 to AOO 3.4? As far as I know, it was not tested yet. But, I think we need to assure that is works. I'm rather confident it will work. But the problem is with the user profile. Since AOO 3.4, we have many topics in the forums where the fix is to reset the profile. The problem is that it can lead to frustration because of the loss of customization. Worse, when users want to downgrade, the new profile is sometimes no more compatible and definitively wrecked for them. Could something be added during install to make a copy of the user profile (at least silently)? But on the other hand, I doubt we will ever have a robust solution for such upgrades. So in the end, the users may have no choice and redo all the customization in case of upgrade. But if so, the user should be at least warned. Not that easy, I agree. Hagar Hi, Hagar, Is it really necessary to delete the whole User folder, or is it enough to delete the registrymodifications.xcu file in that folder? AFAIK, the user will lose only the recent documents entries for the item on the File menu, but other settings may vanish, too. The keyboard, toolbar, and autotext/autocorrect settings should be preserved. If deleting rm.xcu fixes the users' problems, we really should be asking them to attach a copy of the old one to a BZ issue, so somebody can see what's going wrong. /tj/
Re: [HELP REQUIRED]: edit reference version on the website
On 6/22/2012 17:35, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi Jürgen, I've moved the navigation over to the righthand side. I think that looks much better. Please see http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/auth/module-ix.html snip Dave, A few thoughts on the nav column: * (Personal): You are messing with the tools in my workshop. You need a very good reason to do that ... * Both Mwiki and Cwiki have their nav info on the left. For those accustomed to LTR languages, there is a certain natural hierarchy of position involved. * Is a nav column really the best use of screen real-estate? The Apache main site cleverly relegates a lot of navigation to the footer. Perhaps a Navigation button link thereto? * IIRC, the SDK provides a local copy of the API. Will that look the same as the web site? /tj/
Re: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki
On 6/10/2012 12:51, Kay Schenk wrote: On 06/06/2012 01:48 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: +1 on MediaWiki The convergence on the Community Wiki was considered early in the migration and it was concluded that would not be done. �Kay Schenk might have much to add on that, based on her interest then and experience since. �- Dennis Well, oddly, I don't have much of a dissenting opinion. I personally don't use the OO MW much, but have been using the cwiki a lot. I find it less quirky than MW to tell you the truth. I would be much much better to only maintain ONE wiki though regardless of what it is. Mostly I use the Project Planning area. So, +1 on only one wiki, and given the scope of MW over cwiki, I'm happy to go with MW providing the existing info -- marketing, planning, etc. gets moved I would like to add one more thought/request on this topic. I've actually used Confluence -- the cwiki environment -- more over the course of my wiki work than MediaWiki, but there are pros and cons to each. What I REALLY like about our current cwiki setup, is the apparently automatic navigation generation feature. So, when you add a page under a category, you can quickly see what other pages are there for that area. This makes putting ideas out there very quick and efficient. I don't know MW provides in this this regard. But features like this make using cwki for planning pretty easy since there's no futzing with filing into categories etc. SO, if there is a way to do this same kind of thin in MW, we should definitely enable such a feature. Hi, Kay, IIUC, the automatic nav in cwiki is a genealogical thing: every page has a parent, and that's what the nav display shows. That is easier than categories — if you only want one category for that page. Mwiki is less convenient, but gives you more control. You /can/ create child pages, using the slash (/) notation; see my user page [1] for several examples. On the child page, you get breadcrumbs at the top. While I admit I'm biased, I doubt that the cwiki nav scales well; it's good for a small number of pages, but as the information gets richer, it gets harder to find. [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:TJFrazier /tj/
Re: Wiki, Forum Host Names
On 5/29/2012 14:49, Hagar Delest wrote: Le mar. 29 mai 2012 12:36:29 CEST, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com a écrit : 2012/5/29 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw: 3. wiki,openoffice.org forum.openoffice.org IF (and only IF) a proper redirection for the old addresses is maintained, I think option 3 is the best one. We need to remember that both wiki and forums are quite old now, so there are tons of links to them on the internet, specially to the forums, pointing to user guides or solved threads. But if someone clicking on an old url is automatically redirected to the new one, why not? Maybe change forum.openoffice.org to forums.openoffice.org (there are more than one), but that's not so important. +1. Redirection is mandatory. Proposal 3 is fine. 4 is not explicit enough. Hagar +1. Concur exactly with Hagar. /tj/
Re: MediaWiki update
Thank you, imacat! I confirm that math problems have disappeared. There is a lot of good maintenance information listed at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Wiki_Maintenance Please feel free to add notes, or a new page, wherever you think they belong. /tj/ On 5/27/2012 01:42, imacat wrote: Dear all, I applied some fixes. This problem around the math plugin should be fixed. Please check and confirm if this issue still exists. Page to check Math formulas against: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Regina Bugzilla issue ticket: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119398 Fixes: * Compiled texvc * Installed texlive-latex-base * Cleaned-up math cache On 2012/05/22 03:42, Dennis E. Hamilton said: I created this issue https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119398 to capture the requests related to addition of MediaWiki extensions along with the upgrade. It seemed like a good idea to use a stable location. Have fun, - Dennis -Original Message- From: Claudio Filho [mailto:filh...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 12:12 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: imacat Subject: Re: MediaWiki update Hi 2012/5/21 Regina Henschelrb.hensc...@t-online.de: If you are working in that area, please have also a look, whether texvc is correctly installed and actual. I still get rendering errors, see for example bottom of http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Regina I saw. We haven't the extention Math. @Imacat, please, add to list more this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math Thanks, Claudio
Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] proposal a OOo 3.3 update service
On 5/23/2012 05:16, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, [snip] Thus, I will do the following: - Creation of a complete XML document - Include entries for at least one languages for which we have currently no AOO 3.4 installation package. - Providing the XML document and possible variants on [3] for testing and verification. - Call for volunteers to test the XML document at [3]. - Integrate feedback, if we want to have direct download links or links to a certain existing web page for manual download. Answering your call for Windows volunteers: On my WV system, I'm running 3.3 (installed), 3.4 Beta (ooo-dev), and AOO 3.4 RC1 (parallel install). Playing with hosts should affect all of them. Thanks to playing with the wiki at an early stage, I already have a shortcut to my hosts file; for the nervous, there's a nice writeup at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_%28file%29 Let me know if I can help. /tj/
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
On 5/14/2012 08:40, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote: 2012/5/14 Jingbaijingbaibe...@gmail.com Hi Paulo: Hi! Guess you have already Joined the ODFAuthor Mailing list. I'm not sure. I feel like an extreme rookie here =) Can you tell me where can I subscribe? Start here: http://www.odfauthors.org/openoffice.org/english and navigate as you please (other languages, LO, ...). HTH /tj/ I think the articles on MediaWiki are very helpful. Here is an example: to demonstrate the needed features to write formulas and insert graphics. insert graphics. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Calc:_CHISQDIST_function We also would like to contribute some articles like hints and tips for AOO on the mediawiki. Indeed. I've been using those Mediawiki features a lot. Hope this can help. Betsy Bai Thanks
Re: A wiki about how to support a VBA API
On 5/7/2012 20:02, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: If your changes show properly in the Preview mode, then they will be correctly saved when you Save. Sometimes the ATS delivers stale pages, so you might see the original page, unchanged, after the Save. The workaround is described in Moving Day: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Moving_Day Taking a break also works; the stale pages expire and go away. Sorry for the problem, but it's quite beyond my poor powers to fix. Thanks Time permitting, I will make some more changes as needed. The important thing, however, is that it is already understandable :-) I owe you one, for the help your (on-line) book provided, when I was writing the temporary GUI for the new encoding feature: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:TJFrazier/Encryption I might never have found the Config Provider without the magic word in your example: com.sun.star.comp. It seems that comp. is not listed as a module under c.s.s., nor have I seen it mentioned in the Dev Guide. But it works. -- /tj/
Re: A wiki about how to support a VBA API
Hi, Andrew, On 5/5/2012 02:48, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 05/02/2012 04:29 AM, Peng Chen wrote: Hi All, I post a wiki about how to support a VBA API in OpenOffice, http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/How_to_support_a_VBA_API_in_OpenOffice Any feedback will be appreciated, thanks. Now that I know what the page describes (thanks everyone), I gave this a pretty careful read. It seems to provide significant information, and I learned much. There are some issues with respect to language usage, and they are easily fixed; I started to fix the wording (after I figured out that I can), but I stopped after the first paragraph for two reasons: 1. It is not clear to me that my changes really did save, and If your changes show properly in the Preview mode, then they will be correctly saved when you Save. Sometimes the ATS delivers stale pages, so you might see the original page, unchanged, after the Save. The workaround is described in Moving Day: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Moving_Day Taking a break also works; the stale pages expire and go away. Sorry for the problem, but it's quite beyond my poor powers to fix. /tj/ 2. It is very late and I need some sleep before my little girls drag me out of bed (not to mention the bigger girl that I married).
Re: Dwontime sheduled for the MediaWiki
On 4/23/2012 10:46, Raphael Bircher wrote: Hi at all I will do same admin work at the wiki.service this night, The wiki will maybe not be aviable every time. I try to keep the off time as short as possible. Greetings Raphael Hi, Raphael, The two major problems I know of are: (1) Stale pages being served. MW and ATS need to talk to each other better. (2) Math parsing problem; see my user page for an example. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:TJFrazier Anything you can do to help would be greatly appreciated. /tj/
Re: RC Readmes point to Wiki ML Page that needs Update
On 4/22/2012 15:31, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi - While evaluating the RC, I reviewed the MacOSX Readme file. This points to the old OOo wiki page[1] with OOo MLs: Would someone please update this page? Regards, Dave [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Website/Content/help/mailinglists Hi, Dave, I fixed the sub-unsub links, but (sorry to admit it) I don't know enough to provide the archive link(s). I'd really like to say something like, The ooo-users ML is archived at [LINK]. The former OpenOffice.org ML is archived at [LINK2]. If I knew what to say ... /tj/
Re: Add defect product
On 4/16/2012 10:37, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM, linyi lililinyi921...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I opened a defect about compatibility: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119233. I chose Word processorhttps://issues.apache.org/ooo/enter_bug.cgi?product=Word%20processor to enter a defect, but I think I did not choose the appropriate one. Because the file formats are not only .docx. The scenario is: 1. Open MS 2007 files in AOO3.4 2. Save it as MS 2003 format 3. Reopen it in AOO3.4 When saving files, files will be froze. The problem exists in .docx, .xlsx and .pptx. But when I raised a defect, there is no appropriate product to choose. Pls anyone who has the permission add a appropriate product for this situation or tell me whick one to choose. Simplest thing is to just add it to Wordprocessor and then note in the comments that the same issue occurs with other MS document types as well. -Rob When a bug occurs in more than one application, it is usually assigned to the framework product (the common code that underlies all the apps). For this bug, which sounds like it's in the filters, framework may or may not be the right place. For now, Rob's advice sounds good. Whoever goes to work on this can adjust the BZ fields as needed. /tj/ Thank you. -- Best wishes. Lynn
[WWW] More OO.o 404 URLs
http://util.openoffice.org/common/configuration/oor-document-format.html http://util.openoffice.org/common/configuration/oor-registry.html These URLs are referenced in the Dev Guide, but currently return 404 errors. I would really appreciate being able to access this information. /tj/
[WIKI] IDL extension version problem
Hi, Raphael, The tag idlml is not supported by the IDL extension, as currently installed. Clayton tells me (see below) that we may be able to retrieve a more up-to-date version of the extension from the old wiki files. This is an ugly nuisance (I can work around it): important, but not urgent. Can you take a look, when you have time? /tj/ - - - - [excerpt from Clayton's reply] tj Do you have any idea what happened to the implementation of the idlml tag? /tj Hmmm I can't think of anything that was done there from the initial implementation. I cracked open one of the old PDFs and (on PDF page 1387 or 1656) it was rendered correctly... so something went wrong somewhere. Not sure what though. You're right, the idlml tag isn't in the code h. I see that the change to the idml tag on the Config Management page was made in May 2008... which might explain why the older PDF is correct. Looking at the extension history, Frank Peters made a change to the Extension documentation page to add the idlml tag to the extension descriptive docs, but he didn't add it to the documented code snapshot as well (ooops). Guessing here... somewhere along the line between 2008 and now, someone copied the documented source code for the extension in to the extension directory, overwriting the code with the idlml tag implementation... if you've got any Wiki engine history still hanging around, you or I may be able to rescue the idlml tag coding. When I was maintaining the Wiki backend, I usually kept older copies of the wiki engine around in the tree just in case I needed anything after an upgrade/update. Stuff sometimes fell off after upgrading. There was a backup directory (in the root not in the Wiki tree though... so maybe it's been lost?) and I also kept a second directory in the Wiki tree with the previous version of the Wiki engine... which would include an older version of the extension. Worst case, I can track down Frank (I know where he works and have his new email address) and see if he and I can dig through our combined memories to recall what exactly he coded there.
Re: [WWW] More OO.o 404 URLs
On 3/26/2012 17:01, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 4:42 AM, TJ Fraziertjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: http://util.openoffice.org/**common/configuration/oor-** document-format.htmlhttp://util.openoffice.org/common/configuration/oor-document-format.html http://util.openoffice.org/**common/configuration/oor-**registry.htmlhttp://util.openoffice.org/common/configuration/oor-registry.html These URLs are referenced in the Dev Guide, but currently return 404 errors. I would really appreciate being able to access this information. /tj/ TJ-- These no longer even have an nslookup entry (!!??) Maybe something that went out of existence a while back, but the Dev Guide was never updated? (nslookup ? :-) ) AFAIK, nothing ever went away from the old web-site; it just moldered, unused. Is there any access to a project area, util? Sounds like there should be some good stuff, there. /tj/
Re: [RELEASE,CODE]: Bug 119090 - Default Encryption Fails for Down-Level Implementations
On 3/23/2012 06:47, Andre Fischer wrote: Hi, there has been a longer discussion about this in the issue ([1]), most of it very technical. I previously thought that this is not a show stopper but I changed my mind but more for usability than technical reasons: I had expected that I could choose the encryption algorithm either in the save dialog or in the Tools-Options menu, but did not find a way to do it. Without this choice the user has two options: 1. Save as ODF 1.1 2. Not use encryption I don't find option 2 acceptable. Option 1 requires users to know that this solves their problem, i.e. that ODF 1.1 uses another encryption method than ODF 1.2. I did not know that before and assume that many others do not either. I see this now as a severe problem, even as a show stopper. Regards, Andre +1 I agree that this should be a show stopper, so that the patch from Dennis (or something to accomplish the same effect, and retain the current Blowfish method as the default) should be integrated. Given that, there are two more options to consider: 3. User change to config file, to use the new option. I have suggested a writeup on this, but such instructions are much better aimed at the (few?) users who want the latest and greatest security option, and will do a little work to get it. (Does anybody know what that file name is? Given that, I volunteer to update the Release Notes.) 4. Macro to toggle the settings. This could be distributed in a BASIC library (new or existing); no extension necessary. User instructions to find and run the macro are simple. I may be able to write this; preliminary investigation is promising but not certain. I volunteer to try. There are several real experts on this list, whom I might ask for help. /tj/ [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119090 On 19.03.2012 14:48, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 3/19/12 2:16 PM, TJ Frazier wrote: On 3/19/2012 08:48, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, I think issue 119090 is no show stopper from my point of view. The new default provides a better security than before when I understand it correct. And if people detect potential problems they can save the document again with other settings. I agree that this is important for interoperability but no show stopper. Any other opinion? Juergen Hi, Jürgen, Like Dennis, I'm nervous about this. Perhaps we can handle it with a mention in the Release Notes; something like, PLEASE NOTE: the default options for [technical details here] should provide your best /individual/ security. However, if you intend to share the document in secure fashion, the default mode cannot be read by * previous versions of OpenOffice.org * current versions of LibreOffice, at least through [version] * Ms Office [version info] For compatibility, use the options [details here]. I agree that it make sense to mention it in the release notes. Any volunteer for updating the release notes? Juergen
Re: HEADS UP: install sets were renamed from OOo* to Apache_OpenOffice_incubating*
On 3/22/2012 16:28, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thursday, 22. March 2012 at 15:19, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 22.03.2012 13:51, Herbert Duerr wrote: Please note that the install sets that fall out of a build have been renamed from OOo* to Apache_OpenOffice_incubating* so that e.g. OOo_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg now has the file name Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg I would prefer a shorter AOO_incubating_3.4.0_... I used for example a scheme like aoo-3.4-incubating-src... for our source release. Similar to for example the odftoolkit (incubating) project. Why expanding OOo to Apache_OpenOffice_? Ok it seems we have to include incubating but that's it. It looks like the recommendation is to use the full product name, but the Apache part is optional for podlings. So openoffice-3.4.0-incubating would be one possible root. See: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#naming Has anybody checked to see if we'll run into that idiotic 72-character limitation on path names? /tj/ Just my 2 cents Juergen and another heads up ;-) The next developer snapshots, proposed by Jürgen, will _not_ contain this change. Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [Pootle][Translation] Why needs to translate VCLTesttool strings?
On 3/21/2012 14:36, Raphael Bircher wrote: Am 21.03.12 19:29, schrieb Reizinger Zoltán: Hi, My second question to translation: The po file /basic/source/app.po contains strings to VCLTesttools. Why it needs to be translated? IIRC we decided not to use VCLTesttool in QA work, because we not want to use it, and no one want to learn BASIC. I write in a mail, that the /basic/source/app.po is for the VCLTesttool. We still have this tool in the source AND in the binary. But it's hidden and I see no reason why to translate this strings. Greetings Raphael Hi, If anybody decides they want to use that tool, point me at it. I know Basic pretty well. /tj/
[www] 404 on API references
http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/frame/Desktop.html This has been working, but not today. I can change these generated links on the wiki, but I hope it's not necessary. /tj/
Re: [RELEASE,CODE]: Bug 119090 - Default Encryption Fails for Down-Level Implementations
On 3/19/2012 08:48, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, I think issue 119090 is no show stopper from my point of view. The new default provides a better security than before when I understand it correct. And if people detect potential problems they can save the document again with other settings. I agree that this is important for interoperability but no show stopper. Any other opinion? Juergen Hi, Jürgen, Like Dennis, I'm nervous about this. Perhaps we can handle it with a mention in the Release Notes; something like, PLEASE NOTE: the default options for [technical details here] should provide your best /individual/ security. However, if you intend to share the document in secure fashion, the default mode cannot be read by * previous versions of OpenOffice.org * current versions of LibreOffice, at least through [version] * Ms Office [version info] For compatibility, use the options [details here]. /tj/, his 2¢
Re: [WIKI] Span on the wiki
Hi, Regina, On 3/17/2012 20:03, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I have noticed some spam in the Wiki. Whom should I sent a notice, so that he can delete the spamming user? The spam is on http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page. Kind regards Regina Thanks for the heads-up. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_talk:TJFrazier is probably the fastest place to reach me (the wiki will email me). Otherwise, all changes show up on the Recent changes Special Page, which I try to check at least twice a day; also, another very helpful user is running spam-patrol, and fixed this before I got to it (I still had to do the block of the user). As a user, you can undo stuff like this yourself, and you are very welcome to do that. Please put Spam in your edit summary. I'll catch that (or any Undo), and take further action as needed. -- /tj/
Re: [WIKI] Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable)
Hi, Regina,
On 3/17/2012 19:59, Regina Henschel wrote:
Hi all,
I can no longer enter a formula (for example math\sum_{k=1}^N
k^2/math), but I get the error in German Parser-Fehler (Das
texvc-Programm wurde nicht gefunden. Bitte math/README beachten.) which
is the translated Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable. Please
notice math/README)
Perhaps something missing in the setup of MediaWiki at Apache?
Kind regards
Regina
I don't know if Daniel fixed something, but this now works for me. I
left your example on my user page
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:TJFrazier#Moving_Day).
--
/tj/
Re: [WIKI] Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable)
On 3/18/2012 10:22, Regina Henschel wrote:
Hi Thomas,
tj schrieb:
Hi, Regina,
On 3/17/2012 19:59, Regina Henschel wrote:
Hi all,
I can no longer enter a formula (for example math\sum_{k=1}^N
k^2/math), but I get the error in German Parser-Fehler (Das
texvc-Programm wurde nicht gefunden. Bitte math/README beachten.) which
is the translated Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable. Please
notice math/README)
Perhaps something missing in the setup of MediaWiki at Apache?
Kind regards
Regina
I don't know if Daniel fixed something, but this now works for me. I
left your example on my user page
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:TJFrazier#Moving_Day).
The first inserting seems to be correct, but I cannot edit it. Can you
please try to edit it, for example write 2 instead of 1.
You may also edit it on
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Regina#Sandbox
Kind regards
Regina
math\sum_{k=1}^N k^2/math
I confirm that changing the subscript value, s/k=1/k=2/, causes the
error indication. Other changes seem to work properly.
@Daniel or Raphael: can you check the error logs and installation? I'm
not sure I believe the error message:
Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable; please see math/README to
configure.): \sum_{k=2}^N k^2
/tj/
Re: [WIKI] Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable)
On 3/18/2012 11:52, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
TJ Frazier wrote on Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:22:37 -0400:
math\sum_{k=1}^N k^2/math
I confirm that changing the subscript value, s/k=1/k=2/, causes the
error indication. Other changes seem to work properly.
@Daniel or Raphael: can you check the error logs and installation?
Nothing in the error log. I don't see a texvc binary. Beyond that I'll
leave it to Raphael.
Raphael --- if you fix this yourself please document what you did in the
runbook.
Otherwise please ask on IRC or see that a jira gets filed.
Daniel
I'm not sure I believe the error message:
Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable; please see math/README to
configure.): \sum_{k=2}^N k^2
Probably useful link:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Texvc
/tj/
Re: [WWW] Augment mailto links
On 3/16/2012 08:58, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:14 AM, tjt...@apache.org wrote: Re: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html (Note: the # links on the main page are not finding the anchor, but only the page.) Which main page is not finding the anchors? The navigation within that page seems to work fine. -Rob The links on http://www.openoffice.org/ in the news section point to the announce and users ML's, but go to the top of the page. The links look the same on both pages, but work differently. Very interesting ... /tj/ What do you think of augmenting the mailto links with ?Subject=Subscribe or even ?Subject=Subscribeamp;Body=Subscribe (or Unsubscribe, as the case may be)? I think that really blank emails may be getting caught in spam filter traps. Syntax reference: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2368 -- /tj/
Re: FW: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
The old keyboard-stutter trick! commmits! /tj/ On 3/16/2012 13:51, Shawn wrote: TJ, Below is the 'bounced' report I got when I tried to unsubscribe. Thanks for looking at this. On 3/16/2012 08:01, Shawn wrote: I also keep getting individual emails from people experiencing various problems with what used to be open office. I clicked one of the 'unsubscribe' links but it just bounced. How do I unsubscribe from this! Could you forward a bounce message to this list? We'd like to fix that. -Original Message- From: Mail Delivery System [mailto:mailer-dae...@rrba-ip-smtp-2-4.saix.net] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:57 AM To: s...@telkomsa.net Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender This is the mail system at host rrba-ip-smtp-2-4.saix.net. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system ooo-commmits-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org: host mx1.eu.apache.org[192.87.106.230] said: 550 mail to ooo-commmits-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org not accepted here (in reply to RCPT TO command)
Re: [WWW] Augment mailto links
On 3/16/2012 17:27, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 03/16/2012 05:31 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM, TJ Fraziertjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 3/16/2012 08:58, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:14 AM, tjt...@apache.org wrote: Re: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html (Note: the # links on the main page are not finding the anchor, but only the page.) Which main page is not finding the anchors? The navigation within that page seems to work fine. hyphens versus underscores in the anchor text. Good eye, Rob...I will check this out later today! OOPS! I had a bit time to fix this but needed 3 commits to fix this. Hm, I'm getting old. ;-( Marcus Thanks, Marcus, links work fine now. I'd still like some guidance on whether the additional params on the mailto links are a good idea. /tj/ P.S.: Nobody's getting younger. I'm not losing hair; I'm gaining forehead! --/tj/ :-) The links on http://www.openoffice.org/ in the news section point to the announce and users ML's, but go to the top of the page. The links look the same on both pages, but work differently. Very interesting ... /tj/ What do you think of augmenting the mailto links with ?Subject=Subscribe or even ?Subject=Subscribeamp;Body=Subscribe (or Unsubscribe, as the case may be)? I think that really blank emails may be getting caught in spam filter traps. Syntax reference: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2368
Re: [PROPOSAL] Request for french-language mailing lists
+1 /tj/ On 3/13/2012 17:50, eric b wrote: Hi Rob, Le 13 mars 12 à 22:36, Rob Weir a écrit : On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Hi, With the legacy lists shuting down soon, I'd like to propose the creation of several French mailing lists. The previous one were : http://openoffice.org/projects/fr/lists us...@fr.openoffice.org : 86816 messages | 570 subscribers disc...@fr.openoffice.org : 11522 messages | 221 subscribers Would it be possible to start with a single list (maybe users) and see if traffic justifies another list. In other languages we've gone with a single list, except for Italian which grew to 400-500 subscribers and had a good reason to split. The advantage to your community, of course, is that you start off with critical mass on one list first. In this case, I think ooo-users...@incubator.apache.org could be the best : users means we have something to propose (and this is the case). And like you suggest, if discussions derivate, or too much of traffic occurs, then and only thenn create a second list or discussions. Thanks, Eric The need is to create only two lists : ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org : for users ooo-disc...@incubator.apache.org : for discussions Guy Waterval, Vincent Ruffiot, and me (if ever a third people is needed) are volunteers to moderate the new mailing lists Thanks in advance for your support, Eric -- qɔᴉɹə Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: [MIGRATION] Shut down on remaining Oracle web resources
On 3/12/2012 09:31, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 09:14:35PM -0800, Andrew Rist wrote: I would like to set the date for shutting down these Oracle hosted resources as March 15. (no Shakespeare references, please) This will include mailing lists, mail forwarder, remaining web pages, identity server. are the mailing lists already dead? I tried to send an announce to the ES mailing lists, announcing the creation of ooo-general...@incubator.apache.org but it seems the lists are all dead, even the web interface looks strange http://openoffice.org/projects/es/lists Regards Hi, Ariel, Dave Fisher gave us (moderators) the answer: add to your etc/hosts file 192.9.164.104 asset-0.openoffice.org 192.9.164.104 asset-1.openoffice.org 192.9.164.104 asset-2.openoffice.org 192.9.164.104 asset-3.openoffice.org Your es/lists page looks fine to me, with those redirects installed. /tj/
Re: buildbot success in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly
Hi, Debbie, On 3/11/2012 05:31, Debbie wrote: Why am I getting all of these messages? So far I've received about a dozen. I would never registered my software if 'd thought you would send this many messages to me.. Many of them were from individuals. You are getting these messages because you are subscribed to the list they are sent to. How this happened is a good question; it is not part of the registration process, and that process has gone away. Fortunately, getting rid of these messages, or any unwanted messages from Apache, is easy: the basic form is list-unsubscribe@apacheaddress For this particular list: 1) Start a blank email from the same address at which you are getting the messages. 2) Address it to ooo-commits-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org 3) Put Unsubscribe as subject, and text in the body. This keeps your email out of spam filter traps. 4) You should get a reply, with instructions. Follow them, and you're done. The one list you probably do want to subscribe to is ooo-announce. See http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#announce_mailing_list for details. This is a very low-volume list, which will tell you when a new version is available. /tj/ From: build...@apache.orgbuild...@apache.org To: ooo-comm...@incubator.apache.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:18 AM Subject: buildbot success in ASF Buildbot on openoffice-linux64-nightly The Buildbot has finished a build on builder openoffice-linux64-nightly while building ASF Buildbot. Full details are available at: http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux64-nightly/builds/145 Buildbot URL: http://ci.apache.org/ Buildslave for this Build: tethys_ubuntu Build Reason: The Nightly scheduler named 'openoffice-linux64-nightly' triggered this build Build Source Stamp: [branch incubator/ooo/trunk] HEAD Blamelist: Build succeeded! sincerely, -The Buildbot
Re: AOO timeline of accomplishments
On 3/10/2012 17:59, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 10/03/2012 Rob Weir wrote: A draft blog post using the timeline to make a point about our migration efforts: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=an_apache_openoffice_timeline Nice. A few observations: - Check has the timeline above shows - Now that I notice, the New Color Picker is not that interesting in strategic terms. It is a nice feature and very good to have, but it was contributed to other projects before, so it's not something peculiar to Apache OpenOffice. - I would include links to all resources you list in the paragraph includes mailing lists, support forums, wikis, bug databases... Regards, Andrea. Nice, indeed. I concur on links and s/has/as/, plus you might check the order of the legend against the order of the plots. AOO's Chart module could probably be extended to produce a diagram like this, as a type of XY (scatter) chart. /tj/
Re: AOO timeline of accomplishments
Hi, Rob, On 3/8/2012 21:47, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Rory O'Farrellofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:09:33 -0500 Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: I am working on a blog post that will feature a timeline showing what we have accomplished since the project has started. Obviously a timeline is based on dates and events. The ones have so far are here. You might perhaps enter dates (even approximate) for Commencement of IP clearance and Completion of IP clearance. I remind you that this timeline may be viewed by the unskilled, so terms such as IP and Pootle need some explanation. Interesting idea. I made the copyleft removal be an extent rather than just indicate the points. See the revised version here: http://www.robweir.com/AOO.png One of the memes about this project that you hear is that we spent an exorbitant amount of time just removing copyleft components. This puts it in perspective and shows that we spent relatively little time doing that. -Rob -- Rory O'Farrellofarr...@iol.ie This is really lovely: both informative and attractive. Could you say a few words about how you produced it? /tj/
Re: AOO timeline of accomplishments
On 3/8/2012 10:50, Rob Weir wrote: date Japanese list started https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3926 created 13-Sep /tj/
Re: OpenOffice.org email forwarder shutdown: That time is now
On 3/1/2012 09:17, TJ Frazier wrote: There is still a little (very little, 1%) traffic on the development lists which I moderate, authors@ and dev@. I will handle their notification. /tj/ (s/development/documentation/) Done. /tj/
Re: Executing UNO Dispatcher in VBScript doesn't reflect any changes in ODS file
Try adding a Store request: Call UnoObj.executeDispatch(document, .uno:BackgroundColor, , 0, propertyset) oSpreadsheet.Store() oSpreadsheet.Close(True) Close won't do that for you. /tj/ On 3/5/2012 05:10, Subodh Asthana wrote: Executing UNO Dispatcher in VBScript doesn't reflect any changes in ODS file http://stackoverflow.com/q/9562093/264668?sem=2 Following is the code that I wrote to try formatting ODS using VBSript. It runs without any error but it *does not reflect any change* in the ODS file. Dim propertyset(0) Dim arg() Set oServiceManager = CreateObject(com.sun.star.ServiceManager) Set oDesktop = oServiceManager.createInstance(com.sun.star.frame.Desktop) Set UnoObj = oServiceManager.createInstance(com.sun.star.frame.DispatchHelper) sFileName = D:\Untitled 1.ods sFileName = Replace (sFileName, \, /) sURL = file:/// sFileName Set oSpreadsheet = oDesktop.loadComponentFromURL(sURL, _blank, 0, arg)'load existing spreadsheet set oSheet1 = oSpreadsheet.getSheets.getByName( Sheet1 ) set document = oSpreadsheet.CurrentController.Frame Set propertyset(0) = MakePropertyValue(oServiceManager, ToPoint, $A$1) Call UnoObj.executeDispatch(document, .uno:GoToCell, , 0, propertyset) Set propertyset(0) = MakePropertyValue(oServiceManager, BackgroundColor, 16711680) Call UnoObj.executeDispatch(document, .uno:BackgroundColor, , 0, propertyset) oSpreadsheet.Close(True) set UnoObj = Nothing set oSpreadsheet = Nothing set oDesktop = Nothing set oServiceManager = Nothing Function MakePropertyValue(oServiceManager, cName, uValue) Dim oStruct Set oStruct = oServiceManager.Bridge_GetStruct(com.sun.star.beans.PropertyValue) Set MakePropertyValue = oStruct End Function
Re: [TEST] procedures for no overwrites of existing OOo 3.3?
On 3/3/2012 13:13, Kay Schenk wrote: Hello all-- I run Linux and know how to avoid overwrites with our current test packaging by using the --prefix option when I do an RPM install. And this is what I used for the test I recently did. Are there similar options available for Mac and Win users? It seems some of our testers are not happy with the overwrite of their existing version. If someone would forward instructions to me, I will add a new wiki page on Testing Procedures. Thanks. There is some useful info on the Mwiki; I used the Windows section as recently as 3.2. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Run_OOo_versions_parallel /tj/
Re: Calling all volunteers: It is time to test (Norton quarantine)
On 3/2/2012 05:22, Joost Andrae wrote: Hi, after downloading the multi language OOo-Dev 3.4.0_m1 build (r1293550) for Windows from http://people.apache.org/~orw/DevSnapshots-Rev.1293550/win32/OOo-Dev_OOO340m1_Win_x86_install_en-US_de_fr_it_es_ja_pt-BR_zh-CN_nl.exe Norton Internet Security found WS.Reputation.1 and removed the installation set from my system. Kind regards, Joost Hi Joost, Norton AntiVirus gave me the same problem on my WV system. This is related to the Norton Insight feature, which I have now turned off. Meanwhile, the file is not deleted, merely quarantined by NIS. You can restore it by following the quarantine link and looking for options. I will try to follow up on this with Norton; maybe they have a better suggestion. /tj/
Re: OpenOffice.org email forwarder shutdown: That time is now
On 2/29/2012 14:29, Rob Weir wrote: In case you missed it on the other thread, we heard from Andrew that the remaining Oracle servers that supported the legacy OOo project will be shut down starting on March 15th. This includes the mailing list and the mail forwarder. We dealt with the mailing lists before, sending notes to the active ones that the project had moved over to Apache and gave them the new addresses. I subscribe to many of these lists and they have been silent for months. I moderate one and it is all spam, and has been for months. If you are seeing any openoffice.org list that still has real traffic on it, then please speak up. We need to identify any active remaining lists and send them the information here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Email+Migration+Post At the same time we need to notify users that the openoffice.org email forwarding service is being retired as of March 15th. I had already drafted a note for this, and it was previously reviewed. I've just updated it to put in the actual shutdown date: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29+Public+Statement+on+Email+Forwarding If there are no objections, my plan is to: 1) Move that wiki page into a blog post, clean up for formatting and publish it 2) On Monday morning send a note out to ooo-announce, referring to that blog post for details. 3) Open a JIRA issue with Infra on a custom bounce notification I could use help with: 1) Reaching out to NL groups that might not read or understand the above announcement 2) Updating our migration status wiki page (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice.org+Migration+Status). This is referred to in the post as giving current information, but it is no longer current. 3) Responding to questions that this note may receive on the ooo-users list. Regards, -Rob There is still a little (very little, 1%) traffic on the development lists which I moderate, authors@ and dev@. I will handle their notification. /tj/
Re: OpenOffice.org email forwarder shutdown: That time is now
Rob, Need to mention Extensions and Templates sites? (under construction on a daily basis, should be able to log in there even after the shutdown) /tj/ On 2/29/2012 14:39, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: In case you missed it on the other thread, we heard from Andrew that the remaining Oracle servers that supported the legacy OOo project will be shut down starting on March 15th. This includes the mailing list and the mail forwarder. We dealt with the mailing lists before, sending notes to the active ones that the project had moved over to Apache and gave them the new addresses. I subscribe to many of these lists and they have been silent for months. I moderate one and it is all spam, and has been for months. If you are seeing any openoffice.org list that still has real traffic on it, then please speak up. We need to identify any active remaining lists and send them the information here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Email+Migration+Post At the same time we need to notify users that the openoffice.org email forwarding service is being retired as of March 15th. I had already drafted a note for this, and it was previously reviewed. I've just updated it to put in the actual shutdown date: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29+Public+Statement+on+Email+Forwarding If there are no objections, my plan is to: 1) Move that wiki page into a blog post, clean up for formatting and publish it Draft of the blog post is here now: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=retirement_of_openoffice_org_email 2) On Monday morning send a note out to ooo-announce, referring to that blog post for details. 3) Open a JIRA issue with Infra on a custom bounce notification I could use help with: 1) Reaching out to NL groups that might not read or understand the above announcement 2) Updating our migration status wiki page (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice.org+Migration+Status). This is referred to in the post as giving current information, but it is no longer current. 3) Responding to questions that this note may receive on the ooo-users list. Regards, -Rob
Re: Apache OpenOffice Traffic Tracking
On 2/27/2012 17:13, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Roberto Galoppinirgalopp...@geek.netwrote: Hi all, The main site at http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ seems to have a weird Google Analytics setup. It has a local copy of the GA javascript instead of using the real one. well this is a bit odd. Maybe some no longer current implementation. Do you know to who belongs that? If you're ok with that we might get rid of that and create a new one, so that we can all have a better understanding of the traffic streams. Roberto [...] I don't know anything about the current setup. I, personally, would certainly be fine with changing it. The site tracks downloads by extension per day, week, month, and year (no idea how; script-related?), and displays these for users. If it gathers anything else, nobody is listening. /tj/
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for Italian volunteers
On 2/26/2012 10:12, Andrea Pescetti wrote: With the release approaching, I see the need for a second mailing list in Italian: we now have ooo-it-utenti (users) and I would like to add ooo-it-progetto (project). I'm thus asking for creation of this new mailing list in 72 hours, and assuming consensus if nobody objects. The two lists are completely different in scope: - the users list is for peer-to-peer support, announcements, generic discussions and has been functioning correctly since December, with traffic varying according to the topics being discussed) - the project list is for volunteers only (not for users) and it is used to coordinate activities, especially QA and localization; it will produce very high traffic from now to the release time, and then occasional traffic until we are back in a pre-release period or a scheduled localization/QA sprint. I expect the traffic to be too high for people on the users list, so I would prefer to use a separate list; of course, we will inform users any time an activity (such as the OpenOffice 3.4 localization or QA cycle) begins on the project lists. Regards, Andrea. Hi, Andrea, One small quibble. If you mean that the list is /intended/ for volunteers, but users are welcome to subscribe if they want to, that's probably okay. If only volunteers can subscribe, that's probably not okay; we should keep everything as publicly available as possible. /tj/
Re: Apache OpenOffice Extensions Website restored at SourceForge
Hi, Ross, Yes and no. On 2/25/2012 05:40, Ross Gardler wrote: I totally agree that this is (3) This is /super/ good news however, i request that a little time is taken to properly review the site and have the DNS updated appropriately before and should go out on ooo-announce, blogs, et al. I will forward to ooo-users. I did a cursory review of the site: logged in (worked fine), found my history, found favorite extension, noticed no ads, and concluded it's good to go. Already forwarded to ooo-users. Strongly suggest ooo-announce, /now/! Thanks to your observation, I see that I should have emphasized the temporary nature of the URL. I will do a follow-up ASAP, as soon as we're sure either (a) what the permanent URL will be (same as the old one?), or (b) where the users can find the new address (web page?). I'm not likely to be able to review myself for at least a week. There is no need to wait for me to do so, the PPMC is perfectly capable of this. However, remember that the approval from the board was conditional on there being no advertising on any ASF owned domain name. We need to verify that this is the case. I did remind Roberto of this condition during development so I have no reason to suspect that this is not the case already. I'm just requesting a full review from the PPMC before we make public statements. Roberto asked for feedback. IMHO, we will get better feedback from a wide range of curious users. Our audience could use some really good news, and the chance to get involved, and this is both. (Surf's up! This is a big wave, and we should ride it. Waves don't wait.) Of course, if the sourceforge.net domain is going to be the official domain then this requirement is irrelevant. In addition, I'd like to ask the community here to consider how best to engage the TDF in the future of this service. I doubt they will be comfortable with this service being a main repository for Libre Office and I guess that, over time, there will be some extensions that will not work in both applications. However I wonder if there is an opportunity here to invite the TDF to work with us as we move forwards on the extensions service? +1 Finally, and most importantly, a big thank you to Roberto and the team at SF or making this work out for the AOO project. +1, amen, so mote it be! /tj/ Ross On 25 February 2012 08:32, TJ Fraziertjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 2/24/2012 21:47, imacat wrote: On 2012/02/25 08:34, Roberto Galoppini said: As of today, the Extensions website is available at this address located on our domain, at the following address: http://aoo-extensions.sourceforge.net. This is great! But I see it is still OpenOffice.org repository for Extensions and Get OpenOffice.org. Shouldn't they be Apache OpenOffice repository for Extensions and Get Apache OpenOffice? Also, do we have a new logo now? (1) Yes, the re-branding will be needed, but that matter is not urgent. (2) Preserving user logins /is/ urgent, with Kenai-related shutdown possibly as early as March 15. (3) This is /super/ good news, and should go out on ooo-announce, blogs, et al. I will forward to ooo-users. -- /tj/
Re: Apache OpenOffice Extensions Website restored at SourceForge
On 2/24/2012 21:47, imacat wrote: On 2012/02/25 08:34, Roberto Galoppini said: As of today, the Extensions website is available at this address located on our domain, at the following address: http://aoo-extensions.sourceforge.net. This is great! But I see it is still OpenOffice.org repository for Extensions and Get OpenOffice.org. Shouldn't they be Apache OpenOffice repository for Extensions and Get Apache OpenOffice? Also, do we have a new logo now? (1) Yes, the re-branding will be needed, but that matter is not urgent. (2) Preserving user logins /is/ urgent, with Kenai-related shutdown possibly as early as March 15. (3) This is /super/ good news, and should go out on ooo-announce, blogs, et al. I will forward to ooo-users. -- /tj/
Re: Logo use request for online auction
+1 /tj/ On 2/15/2012 09:36, Rob Weir wrote: The PPMC has received a request from a merchant who wishes to use OpenOffice.org logo on product photos and listings on an online auction site. I'm moving the discussion to ooo-dev, from ooo-private, where the request was originally made. In other contexts we have allowed use of the product logo on CD's containing verbatim copies of our software. The legacy project has even encouraged a network of CD distributors who distributed copies of OOo for a fee. I don't think the fact that this is an auction site changes anything essential. So, my inclination would be to give permission, provided: 1) The CD contains unmodified OOo install sets 2) The auction listing acknowledges the OpenOffice.org trademark and logo as Apache Software Foundation marks, used with permission. 3) The website listing includes a link back to www.openoffice.org 4) Other conditions? In other words, I see no problem with an online merchant making money based on distributing CD's, based on their marketing, the convenience they offer the user, etc., as well as any additional services they might offer for support, etc. -Rob
Re: [WWW] Feedback/contact us about the website link needed...
On 2/9/2012 19:04, Kay Schenk wrote: I'm just noticing that we do not seem to have a Contact Us about this website link on either http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ --or-- http://www.openoffice.org/ A somewhat minor thing I know given our focus at the moment, but...any thoughts? Header area? Footer area? Side bar? I think a prominent Contact Us (some place) would serve us well in customer satisfaction. My 2¢: if I were looking, I'd look for that link in the footer. /tj/
Re: Conventions in help files
On 2/6/2012 11:11, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi Regina, On 2/6/12 4:50 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I'm going to add help texts for the new line caps and for corner style. I found that the extended help tips have to go into helpcontent2\source\text\shared\01\05200100.xhp. Inside that file the nodes get id-values. The first part is 'bm_id' or 'hd_id' or 'par_id' according to the kind of node. That is followed by a number. Does a convention exists, how to build that number? The attribute l10n had been used for the change from OOo1 to OOo2 but no longer. What value is used for content, that has not exist in OOo1? Should it be l10n= (which means empty) or l10n=NEW? The attribute is required. I see bookmark nodes with identical branch attribute, for example branch=hid/.uno:LineWidth but different id-values. That makes no sense to me, because the hid has to be a unique target in the help files. Reason for the duplicate nodes? There are some remarks needed, which go beyond an extended help tip. Where should I add them, to one of the 'guide'-files or make a new one. Or exists plans to drop such information from help totally and only use a Wiki for more detailed help? you haven open pandora's box and probably nobody really knows how exactly it is used and were handled in the past. Or better the people who knows are not really active anymore in the project. I have some experience with creating help files for extension but these were very small and I had everything under my control ;-) I think Frank Peters have mentioned the help extension (xslt filter + a macro collection) that can be used to edit xhp files in the office and which provides some helper to manage the id's. That is at least what I remember but without guarantee. Hopefully the extension is available or we can find the code for it. It will probably help to understand it. Sorry that I can't provide more help here (or should I say information) Juergen Uwe Fischer has posted on this list (12/08 and 12/09, re the BerkeleyDB). He should know the answers right away. My strong suspicion is that the l10n tag has to do with warning the translators that localization is needed. /tj/
Contributed code (was Re: Fake OpenOffice site?)
On 2/3/2012 16:37, Andrew Rist wrote: snip snip On 2/2/2012 4:50 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: On 2012-02-01 9:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote: 1) Oracle contributed the OpenOffice.org source code and trademarks to Apache Really? I thought Oracle granted a license of most of the OpenOffice.org source code to Apache, not all of it. If they had granted a license of all the source code, we'd probably be about a month further along in the schedule, maybe? But we've done amazing work filling in the pieces and making the current Apache OpenOffice releases work while ensuring we only use permissively licensed code. Hey Shane - probably just an issue with wording, but just want to add this to the discussion... Oracle granted a license to the stuff that Oracle had clear copyright ownership on. I don't think there is anything owned by Oracle that was not donated - especially nothing that is pushing the schedule back at this point. There are a lot of non-Sun/Oracle code used by the project (some of it copyleft) - obviously this could not be 'donated' by Oracle. It is the remediation of this code that has been the source of the last few months of work - mostly copyleft dependencies and 'extensions' (I'm thinking dictionaries and the like here) A. Andrew, The only code I know of that got lost is the crash-dump analysis code (Jürgen is the expert on it). It is a bee in my bonnet, because I consider it indispensable for certain kinds of problems. It was Sun-proprietary code, run in Hamburg. IMHO, its reincarnation would be worth considerable effort. -- /tj/
Re: Fake OpenOffice site?
On 2/1/2012 18:37, Nardia Keenan wrote: Hello Is this site part of OpenOffice.org? It has the seagull logo but says it's free then asks for money http://www.openofficeonline2011.com/ Thank you Nardia Keenan In a word, NO. For the site's status, read the very small print at the bottom of its page. For the real OO.o, try http://www.openoffice.org/ where you may find requests for donations, but the downloads are *absolutely* *free*. I propose we (the PPMC) refer this to Branding, for trademark vio, if others see it as such. -- /tj/
Redirects vs. SYMPA
Hi, Dave, or anyone who can help, SYMPA sends me these messages, but when I try to follow the links, I get a 404 on the Apache server. Perfectly reasonable, since I need to reach Kenai/SYMPA. Does somebody have to play with the redirects, or can I do something in my hosts file (I'm probably the only one who needs this)? /tj/ Original Message Subject: List auth...@documentation.openoffice.org automatic bounce management Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:54:57 + (GMT) From: SYMPA sy...@documentation.openoffice.org To: nob...@openoffice.org,jeanwe...@gmail.com,tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com Because we received MANY non-delivery reports, the 1 subscribers listed below have been notified that they might be removed from list auth...@documentation.openoffice.org: [user email address removed] Managing bouncing subscribers: http://documentation.openoffice.org/sympa/reviewbouncing/authors Managing bouncing subscribers: http://documentation.openoffice.org/sympa/reviewbouncing/dev
Re: Redirects vs. SYMPA
On 1/31/2012 20:55, Andrea Pescetti wrote: TJ Frazier wrote: SYMPA sends me these messages, but when I try to follow the links, I get a 404 on the Apache server. Perfectly reasonable, since I need to reach Kenai/SYMPA. Does somebody have to play with the redirects, or can I do something in my hosts file (I'm probably the only one who needs this)? Honestly I never tried to access pages to manage bouncing subscribers, but you can manage subscribers (after making the obvious replacements) at addresses like http://openoffice.org/projects/it/lists/qa/subscribers (replace it - documentation and qa - authors or whatever you need). This still doesn't answer your question completely, because it lists all subscribers and not only the bouncing ones. But you won't need any tweaks to your hosts file to reach this page. Regards, Andrea. Thanks, Andrea, that is indeed the page I usually use for moderating: http://openoffice.org/projects/documentation/lists but I can't get all the way to SYMPA from there. /tj/
Re: admin permissions on old OOo
On 1/30/2012 14:22, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi On 30 January 2012 14:07, Shane Curcurua...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: On 2012-01-30 1:37 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 30 January 2012 13:35, Dave Fisherdave2w...@comcast.netwrote: On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi all, I used to have admin permissions on the old site. I no longer seem to. I receive requests (as does Florian E.) to delete mail mistakenly posted to the public lists, but I cannot do much about it directly. I can route to those who *do* have admin permissions on the old site, if you like. There are other small things to do, too, that require admin on the Kenai site. You should be able to get to the old site, but it will be going away. I can easily get to the old site. The point of my email was that I no longer have admin privileges. I need them to do the things asked of me. What specific things are being asked of you? To remove a specific email message posted to a public list (documentation) by mistake. If the message is on one of the two documentation ML's (author or dev @doc.oo.o) I can remove it, or at least the SYMPA page says I can. You or the user can mail me at tjfraz...@openoffice.org, or bring the matter to this list (ooo-dev). I need sender and date. /tj/ (owner + moderator, authors and dev) Why aren't they being brought to the list (either details, or at least an overview of what this work is about)? Because the person wanting the removal, I presume, did not know about the new changes. I have no problem explaining things--have--but I'm simply laying out the facts. What of this work will still need to be done once the old site goes away? No idea, as not sure what precisely will replace the old. Actually, and my apologias, but I have to fill in a lot of gaps in your question to arrive at any kind of sense. I think you mean, Speaking of this matter, where you had admin privileges that allowed you to do things on behalf of mistaken users, will you, or someone like you, still be needing that order of privilege, once we decommission and remove the old site? Removal would mean that all queries related to admin tasks would have to come to this public list, which required subscription. The interesting thing, perhaps: Would the old archives holding the mistaken mail posts also migrate and if so would they still need ad hoc pruning per request? I'd goes two yeas won't make a nay. louis - Shane If none of this is needed, good to hear. But the messages are there still. As soon as we decide to cut it off we will. We thought we needed to keep it around for template and extension site login, but that is already broken. I did find it necessary to go to the Kenai svn to finish the specs migration, but that was done by altering my /etc/hosts/. Is it time to remove the old OOo? Yes. Regards, Dave louis
Re: admin permissions on old OOo
Ross, I am not taking this personally, but I /am/ replying personally, below. On 1/30/2012 15:57, Ross Gardler wrote: On 30 January 2012 19:45, TJ Fraziertjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 1/30/2012 14:22, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: ... What specific things are being asked of you? To remove a specific email message posted to a public list (documentation) by mistake. If the message is on one of the two documentation ML's (author or dev @doc.oo.o) I can remove it, or at least the SYMPA page says I can. You or the user can mail me at tjfraz...@openoffice.org, or bring the matter to this list (ooo-dev). I need sender and date. The ASF has a policy of *not* removing mails in the majority of cases. It simply is not possible to do so since our mailing lists are archived all over the place. See http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html Most organizations, like most individuals, have a few suboptimal policies (calling them damn-fool would be rude, so I won't). The ASF is no exception, and this policy is one of them. AFAICS, the rationales for the policy are: (1) Can't do it perfectly. True, but this is the age-old conflict between the good vs. the best, or improvement vs. perfection. I assert that there is no overarching answer to these, hence the decisions must be made at a lower level. In this general case, I lean strongly toward improvement. It is the friendly thing to do, and we build community one friend at a time. (2) Publisher of record. Let's not get too full of ourselves, here. If a post makes a point in a discussion and prompts replies, or otherwise meets some criterion of general importance, I would argue to keep it. If not, and if the user wants it gone, it's toast. (3) Too much work. (a) Frequency: I have moderated two (admittedly not very active) lists for about 6 months. This is the first such request I have received. YMMV. (b) Level of effort: This user provided a direct link to the archived message. It took me one click to get there, maybe 10 seconds to confirm that this was the information in question, one click to delete it, and a third click to close the browser. This might be harder under ezmlm, but that's something for ezmlm moderators to take up with Infra. (4) The user should have known better. True, but don't be snide. Interestingly enough, despite my rant, my action (I have deleted the post) seems to fall within policy! /tj/ ... Why aren't they being brought to the list (either details, or at least an overview of what this work is about)? Because the person wanting the removal, I presume, did not know about the new changes. I have no problem explaining things--have--but I'm simply laying out the facts. The point is that you are not a contact point for the AOO project, this list is. If you, as a single individual, choose to act on requests like these and others that you frequently claim are coming your way you will quickly run out of time or you will fail to address the requests. Please share everything here (or on the private lists if absolutely necessary). Personally I would rather see you spending time addressing the issue with SPI funds since you are the named individual dealing with the SPI (or alternatively indicating that you do not intend to do so, thereby making way for someone else to do it). Ross
Re: [CODE]: Registration... menu entry in the Help menu
Hi, all! Comments in-line. On 1/28/2012 14:23, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: If the welcome document is stored locally in the installation locally, having it as an ODT might work. It does mean that translations will be required. Opening of a web page has the advantage of being able to adapt to browser language settings on a server and also being able to update the document over time. The URL could also be release- specific (which would allow further customization). I think it is also important to consider the threat surface of both approaches, especially if the document will be opened or the URL fetched under the privileges of the install process. - Dennis PS: I suppose this is also an area that might be subject to distribution-specific customization, including in-enterprise distributions. @Dennis: all good points to keep in mind, but please also keep in mind that the same work has to be done for a welcome in a doc or on a web page (customize, translate, c.). We have lots of folks who can do that in Writer ... -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 09:37 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [CODE]: Registration... menu entry in the Help menu On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] The closest to registration that we might have is to encourage the user to sign up for the ooo-announce list. But this is just one of several things we want to tell the user. Maybe after install we automatically launch a web page, or even load an ODF document, with content like: -- Welcome message from the project -- Highlights of the release, link to detailed release notes -- Where to for documentation -- Where to go for support -- Extensions and templates informations -- Invitation / Instructions on joining ooo-announce mailing list -- Links to official social media, our blog. Google+, Twitter, Facebook, etc. If we do this in ODF format, as a document, then we can also use it as a quick demonstration of the capabilities of the editor, showing a really good looking, well formatted document, etc. A good first experience for the user. +1 I like this proposal a LOT! We tell them something interesting and we don't have to maintain any additional DBs. Much less hassle in the long run! :) So simple, and yet so good! +1 also. A three-bang good idea!!! Some more thoughts: * Store the doc as writable, so the user can make changes. Empowerment. * Turn on the Record Changes feature (mention this in the doc), and solicit advice from the users as to what is helpful, what is not, and what would be helpful. /tj/ [ ... ]
Re: [CODE]: Registration... menu entry in the Help menu
@Dennis, in line, On 1/28/2012 18:41, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: @TJ Thanks for opening up some interesting aspects to think about concerning initial user experience and support for newcomers to AOO. One reaction: I see a big difference between configuring builds to have one more language-dependency and configuring a URL to sniff languages though. The life-cycle and skills/karma required could be quite different. What is a good way to invite broad participation in this area? I don't see any need for a URL. I envision the Welcome doc as part of the download. Also, I don't think the document should be put in a writable location if it is part of the install. I tend to favor a writable location because it empowers the user. It behooves us to remember that our software is a guest on the user's hardware (programs that persistently forget this, on /my/ machine, tend to end up in the bit-bucket). Also, every location is writable – just some are easier than others. However, considering the needs of multi-user central installations, I am not unalterably opposed to an unalterable doc. We should merely mention that users need to save any changed version to their own space. For writable documents, that seems to be something that is more appropriate for a sample or even part of an included mini-tutorial. It might then be better to identify them as templates so they will not over-write the initial file by default if modified and saved. Finally, as a means for feedback, encouraging exploration and contribution, wouldn't a link to a web/wiki page be better for that? These are not mutually exclusive. We should have both. This is an interesting area. I wonder how to avoid scope creep and deal with the registration menu entry in a way that works for now and that can be expanded into a broader welcome/starter link. I know some first-run presentations tend to be sticky, with a way to stop it (and an indication on how to obtain it from the Help pull-down whenever it is to be revisited). Is this a candidate for that sort of thing? I'm trying to design out any avoidable maintenance headaches. I envision a simple link to a page like the Mwiki documentation: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation where we always have to update links for different versions, new stuff, c. If we ever have a good getting started tutorial, it should be listed there. The link in the Welcome doc wouldn't change. I also see the Help menu link (Welcome) as a simple open the Welcome.odt doc command, which also wouldn't change. --/tj/ -Original Message- From: TJ Frazier [mailto:tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 14:34 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [CODE]: Registration... menu entry in the Help menu Hi, all! Comments in-line. On 1/28/2012 14:23, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: If the welcome document is stored locally in the installation locally, having it as an ODT might work. It does mean that translations will be required. Opening of a web page has the advantage of being able to adapt to browser language settings on a server and also being able to update the document over time. The URL could also be release- specific (which would allow further customization). I think it is also important to consider the threat surface of both approaches, especially if the document will be opened or the URL fetched under the privileges of the install process. - Dennis PS: I suppose this is also an area that might be subject to distribution-specific customization, including in-enterprise distributions. @Dennis: all good points to keep in mind, but please also keep in mind that the same work has to be done for a welcome in a doc or on a web page (customize, translate,c.). We have lots of folks who can do that in Writer ... -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 09:37 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [CODE]: Registration... menu entry in the Help menu On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] The closest to registration that we might have is to encourage the user to sign up for the ooo-announce list. But this is just one of several things we want to tell the user. Maybe after install we automatically launch a web page, or even load an ODF document, with content like: -- Welcome message from the project -- Highlights of the release, link to detailed release notes -- Where to for documentation -- Where to go for support -- Extensions and templates informations -- Invitation / Instructions on joining ooo-announce mailing list -- Links to official social media, our blog. Google+, Twitter, Facebook, etc. If we do this in ODF format, as a document, then we can also use it as a quick demonstration of the capabilities of the editor, showing a really good looking, well formatted document, etc. A good first experience for the user. +1 I like this proposal
Re: [CODE]: Registration... menu entry in the Help menu
On 1/25/2012 11:49, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, I have seen the Registration... menu entry in the Help menu. I tend to remove this entry completely or at least remove it by default and make it configurable for potential later use. At the moment it opens a Url [1] in the browser that is not working at all. Any opinions or comments on this? If not I will remove it as proposed. Juergen [1] survey.services.openoffice.org/user/index.php When I try from the Help menu in 3.3, I get the Oracle site: https://hs-ws1.oracle.com/RegistrationWeb/registration/default/en_US/register-login.jsp?legacy=truetgtPrd=OpenOffice.orgprd=registrationuuid=urn%3Ast%3A4e5ecde9-d047-4889-9767-fbdb713cf09c which is certainly not what we want, whether or not it works. +1 for remove. /tj/
Re: [CODE] update services
On 1/25/2012 19:18, Kay Schenk wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.orgwrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 05:04:18PM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: The code is in main/extensions/source/update/ rather illuminating main/extensions/source/update/check/updateprotocol.cxx The format is xml, you can see main/instsetoo_native/util/update.xml it seems to support also an update feed format: http://openoffice.org/projects/installation/sources/webcontent/show/testarea/onlineupdate There should be an specification somewhere, but the old site http://specs.openoffice.org has become rather broken after the migration. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina Hey, kudos to both Regina and Ariel... something to go on! :) FYI -- specs.openoffice.org is now www.openoffice.org/specs All the previous top-levels are now subdirecotires, but thanks for the alert -- more redirects to do. Thanks a bunch for looking into this...really some good finds Hi, Kay, That's a pretty page, .../specs, but all the links are 404 ... :-( /tj/
Re: [dev] Dependencies required to create an executable
On 1/19/2012 09:27, HICHEM ZARROUKI wrote: Hello, I developed a C + + application based on Open Office SDK version 3.3. The application works perfectly in conjunction with Open Office 3, and it is time for me to create the installer which will be delivered to users. To do so, I need to know the necessary dependencies (DLLs, executables, ...) to bewith my application, and if it is possible to run the application without the need to install Open Office, because if it is not installed I receive an error when running my program ? Thank you in advance for your answers. Hi, Because this list is going away soon, I have taken the liberty of forwarding your message to the new list at Open Office's new home, the Apache Software Foundation. You will need to subscribe to that list to see any replies. (Please be aware that it is a very busy list.) Send an email to: ooo-dev-subscr...@incubator.apache.org You will get a confirmation message, and you need to reply to that as it instructs. You may want to post a follow-up message there, telling us what o/s you plan to install on. Installation details are very system-dependent. -- /tj/
Re: Question related derivative code based on our Apache licensed code
On 1/16/2012 10:28, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hi Michael; Just to be clear ... I am not a lawyer, and even if I were whatever I say in respect to licensing doesn't have any legal permission or state any rule wrt what should be done. just to make that clear :). --- Lun 16/1/12, Michael Meeksmichael.me...@suse.com ha scritto: Hi Pedro, On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 06:38 -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote: What will happen is that the code will keep the MPL/LGPL3 restrictions in addition to the AL2. That would be the plan; though our code will -emphatically- not be available under the AL2; only an MPL/LGPLv3+ [as well as any lingering terms from the AL2]. In the projects I participate we never *ever* replace a license, we just add a copyright header with our license when relevant. I would expect LO will have to comply with AL2, adding the respective restrictions imposed by your own licensing scheme (MPL/GPL). - They will have to carry the AL2 license among their code and headers, and the clause 5 is particularly nice to have. Clause five of the AL2 is: 5. Submission of Contributions. Unless You explicitly state otherwise, any Contribution intentionally submitted for inclusion in the Work by You to the Licensor shall be under the terms and conditions of this License, without any additional terms or conditions. Notwithstanding the above, nothing herein shall supersede or modify the terms of any separate license agreement you may have executed with Licensor regarding such Contributions. IANAL, but to create a superabundance of clarity - no contribution submitted to LibreOffice is a 'Contribution'. It is not submitted to 'Licensor' which is ASF (cf. definition of Contribution). The TDF infrastructure is not /managed by, or on behalf of, the ASF/. Issue 5 only applies to contributions made to the Apache project. Surely the code that has been contributed to LO cannot be taken by us unless the author specifically authorizes sends it to us too. If it would help to clarify this, we can add a Not a contribution line or similar language to our new (MPL/LGPL)onAL2 header as/when we've got that worked through. This type of sillyness, attempting to obfuscate the language, is one of the reasons why I keep away from projects with unreadable licenses. Of course, individuals are quite at liberty to choose to license their contributions to the ASF if they so choose, and to include -their- code into either project; though that is something I'd personally discourage :-) So - any expansion on is particularly nice to have would be helpful Pedro - why do you think this is particularly nice ? :-) It is really nice because in this project we don't request silly licensing statements. We assume people are not stupid enough to send us code that we can't use. Here the term stupid has the same connotation as defined in Carlo Cipola's classical paper: http://cantrip.org/stupidity.html (BTW, Anyone has a link to the original in italian?) cheers, Pedro. http://www.amazon.com/Allegro-non-troppo-Contrappunti-Italian/dp/8815019804/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1/185-0371021-4419420 A commercial link, but maybe a good starting point. -- /tj/
Re: Wiki configuration problem
On 1/15/2012 23:03, Yakov Reztsov wrote: Hi! Apache OOo Wiki configuration problem Can not edit math formula, Can not parse expression (texvc not found) Problem is visible on next-to-last revision here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=NLPSolvercurid=21644diff=198864oldid=195113rcid=207812 The addition of a final ^2 operand triggers an error. Investigating. -- /tj/
Re: Seeking Bugzilla Admin Volunteers
On 1/12/2012 14:16, Rob Weir wrote: [snip] So if you want to be on the initial batch, please respond to this note and let me know what your Bugzilla ID is. This is not necessarily the same as your Apache ID. And if you don't yet have a Bugzilla account for the project, you can request one here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ Thanks! -Rob Count me in (t...@apache.org) for both permissions and admin. I already have some elevated permissions for Documentation project bugs. I will try to make contact with David McKay, to see if he's still interested. It would be nice to have an admin who actually knows what to do. -- /tj/
Re: Couldn't enter login status on service wik after longin
On 1/8/2012 21:42, xia zhao wrote: Hi all, I am working on AOO 3.4 testing, and I need post my test result to below page: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/TestResults After login, I still be kept with unlogin status and couldn't edit this page. Who can help to take a look? Thanks! Best Regrads Lily This is a known problem with stale cache pages being presented. Please see Moving Day for the workaround. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Moving_Day -- /tj/
Re: Bugzilla Help [Was Re: Moving ahead with the AOO logo and rebranding]
On 1/9/2012 19:40, Dave Fisher wrote: Here we are in a new thread. Let's discuss the state of Bugzilla: On Jan 9, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: On Tuesday 10 Jan 2012 13:14:27 Dave Fisher wrote: On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Dave Fisherdave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Who are our projects BZ admins? Are there remaining issues. No idea if there are any, at least the contact given on the bugzilla page itself to report problems is a black hole, no response nor fixin ghte reported problem (xmlrpc). http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/20.mbox/%3 CCAOPHaVRC6ZqZMX_XVNeivYFQR6sq_ucdtqjWcE3xPtF-zVd5%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com%3 E It has been suggested that infra issues via jira are necessary to get in touch with the AOOo-bugzilla admins, but issues.apache.org/ooo/ still reads: This is Apache OOo Bugzilla: the Apache OOo podling bug system. In case of problems with the functioning of Apache OOo Bugzilla, please contact bugzilla-ad...@apache.org. Please Note: this e-mail address is only for reporting problems with Apache OOo Bugzilla. Mail about any other subject will be silently ignored. There are inconsistent instructions. We need to change this bugzilla-ad...@apache.org address. IMO bugzilla trouble should be directed here. Bugzilla admins? Regards, Dave Hi, Dave, While we're at it, David McKay (dmc...@btconnect.com) has twice mentioned that he is willing to help with BZ, and BZ administration is part of his day job. Has anyone taken him up on this? -- /tj/
Re: Two documents that had issues with OOo 3.3.0
Hi, Marco, Rob, The usual practice at OO.o (I've done it myself) is to file an issue, mentioning that you have confidential files to show it. Then, when someone picks up the issue, they say, Send me the files to my private address. The dev keeps the file private, and usually isolates the bug so that no file is needed, or a simple, public file will show the bug. /tj/ On 1/5/2012 11:01, Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Marco A.G.Pinto marcoagpi...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: Hello! I have two documents which had issues with OOo 3.3.0: - A .DOCX one whose image in the header (I wrote footer by mistake a week or so ago) appears stretched. - A DOC which only allows to edit a few fields since it is password protected and OOo asks for the password when we open the document and doesn't allow to edit the fields. I sent the DOCX to Rob Weir since I didn't know where to send it to, but I didn't receive any reply. I see you sent this response to a post I made: http://markmail.org/message/bp27ye57l7paitxb But the ooo-dev list strips attachments. Is there someone to whom I can send both documents? Please notice that they are classified documents and I can't share them with the mailing list. As Pedro mentioned, attachments can be made to Bugzilla issues. That is how we track bug reports. If the full document is classified, then you will want to reproduce the same bug in a new, unclassified document, something that can be shared. (A thought for the PPMC: Note that in exceptional cases we do accept confidential documents on private lists. For example a security vulnerability report can come with a test document that demonstrates the vulnerability. Such documents are received on our security list, verified, but not made public. There is a level of trust between the security team and the reporter to treat such information sensitively. If we wanted to, we could have a similar practice with documents indicating other kinds of errors, non-security. Although it is easy for us to say that Marco should reproduce the error in a clean document, etc., the fact is this is often not possible. For example, when the bug is related to importing a document that was created in an earlier version of OOo, or even created in another application, one that the reporter does not have installed. I think only a small number of users will take the extra step to create a new test file for us. The net result is we fail to get some perfectly valid bug reports, and miss the opportunity of fixing some real bugs.) -Rob Thanks! Kind regards, Marco A.G.Pinto --- --
