[opensuse-factory] Here comes the Tax Man
Hey Group; Coming to a Country near you!!! In the USA our Senate is fixing to really help us out. As of November 1 2007 the Internet Tax Ban will run out. As usual the US and State governments can not miss an opportunity to tax. The USA Senate is set to have a vote on taxing the internet. The real danger is once a tax is in place it just keeps growing - Take the Texas Sales Tax as an example. So if you are interested in not seeing your Google searches and your purchases be taxed, consider a letter campaign. Senator Ron Wyden (D) is backing a ban http://wyden.senate.gov/searchresults.cfm?q=internet+taxbtnG=Gosite=wydennum=20filter=0; For Senators http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm; 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : [EMAIL PROTECTED] VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador http://counter.li.org #279316 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Here comes the Tax Man
God, why you keep sending this plague emails? This is not a support list, but its even less a list about news about US senate. Please, control your inner you. On 10/14/07, Donn Washburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Group; Coming to a Country near you!!! In the USA our Senate is fixing to really help us out. As of November 1 2007 the Internet Tax Ban will run out. As usual the US and State governments can not miss an opportunity to tax. The USA Senate is set to have a vote on taxing the internet. The real danger is once a tax is in place it just keeps growing - Take the Texas Sales Tax as an example. So if you are interested in not seeing your Google searches and your purchases be taxed, consider a letter campaign. Senator Ron Wyden (D) is backing a ban http://wyden.senate.gov/searchresults.cfm?q=internet+taxbtnG=Gosite=wydennum=20filter=0; For Senators http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm; 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : [EMAIL PROTECTED] VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador http://counter.li.org #279316 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] /dev/ram gone ??
I have the same problem. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Ndisinstaller question.
Hi. I have tried to use the Ndisinstaller on opensuse10.3 At the point of startup, Ndiswrapper show, that it cannot find 'kernel-headers' And the installed 'kernel-headers' are named linux-kernel-headers-2.6.22-19 in the 10.3 install. How can I change the name so that I can use Ndisinstaller ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting v Bottom Posting (was Re: Running a program as root from desktop panel)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Billie Walsh wrote: On 10/13/2007 Bryen wrote: snip However, if a thread were to run for a month, as some do, and nobody trimmed down the thread along the line, it might take ten or fifteen minutes just to scroll down to the reply, snip the archives. In fact if more of us checked the archives before asking questions we might find the answer without having to post. I usually web search before posting which funnily enough often picks up the SuSe archives. Maybe we should starting running a book on when this old chestnut of a topic will reappear :-) but we there again SuSE could run foul of the US DoJ on that one :-D - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHEc29asN0sSnLmgIRAgOqAJ9M+PSK1NP5SQQ0mv4poTCeUw/QxwCg4qZJ cTQ38491MByGd75HN9VvFkc= =UNE5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.3 : no go /part 1]
On Saturday 13 October 2007 13:26:10 Hans Witvliet wrote: As you wish, Stephan... Forwarded Message First shot (with gm) at 10.3 System: hp dl320/G4 with 4GB, no extra hw-installed, was running 10.2 Images were verified Before i try anything special, i always do a default installation, nothing fancy selected. No-go this time! After installation (reboot) it returns grub 21 Although i know that it's half of life, universe and the rest ;) It's a bit short. Looking at http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html it got some more details about grub-errors. However, for 21 it says: 21 : Unknown boot failure This error is returned if the boot attempt did not succeed for reasons which are unknown. Wry thing is, at that stage, its not possible to examine any logfiles as there is no other os on the system. Obviously, during the grub-install, something is forgotten, or went wrong (will investigate further on monday). Would it be possible during grub-install to perform a test to test if it succesfully installed the bootloader. And if it fails this test don't reboot, but fall into the cli? Hans I tried to upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3 and ran into problems with grub on reboot. I found that the grub entry was root (/dev/sdb1,0) I didn't have a clue as to what was going on but my colleague explained that this syntax was foreign to grub. replacing the entry with: root (hd1,0) did the trick. If I understand correct the grub entry hd1 refers to the second disk (as the grub count starts at 0) and the 0 refers to the first partition. Hope that helps Eddie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
I wrote:
Suse 10.3, runlevel 2:385.9
Suse 10.3, runlevel 1:756.9
After noticing that the benchmark also runs significantly faster for
root than it runs for a normal user, I started looking at the
environment. It turns out that the LANG variable is all that matters:
$ echo $LANG
de_DE.UTF-8
$ time for i in {1..1000}; do ../pgms/tst.sh; done
real0m22.807s
user0m16.365s
sys 0m6.388s
$ LANG=POSIX
$ time for i in {1..1000}; do ../pgms/tst.sh; done
real0m12.113s
user0m7.092s
sys 0m5.016s
So this benchmark is not really measuring performance, it is measuring
your language settings. Ian, you should modify all tests to use the same
language settings everywhere, because otherwise the results are pure
bogus. And then re-run the benchmarks on 10.2 and 10.3 and we will
hopefully see a performance _increase_ for 10.3 ;)
Regards
nordi
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Re: [opensuse] How do I connect to a Krfb invitation?
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 11:33 +0200, Aniruddha wrote: I wonder how do I connect to a Krfb invitation? Can also connect trough the internet? Unfortunately the documentation isn't working :( no-one knows? :( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ndisinstaller question.
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 09:25 +0200, Erik Jakobsen wrote: Hi. I have tried to use the Ndisinstaller on opensuse10.3 At the point of startup, Ndiswrapper show, that it cannot find 'kernel-headers' And the installed 'kernel-headers' are named linux-kernel-headers-2.6.22-19 in the 10.3 install. How can I change the name so that I can use Ndisinstaller ? Try reinstalling the latest kernel headers through yast. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Where can I get Unixbench? Are these tests done with or without beagle enabled? -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 22:05 +0100, Paul Hands wrote: I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to cope with it. Paul Please stop cluttering this list with ot discussions. -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ndisinstaller question.
Aniruddha wrote: Try reinstalling the latest kernel headers through yast. Thanks for the advice, but unforunately it didn't work -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ndisinstaller question.
On 10/14/2007 03:25 PM, Erik Jakobsen wrote: I have tried to use the Ndisinstaller on opensuse10.3 At the point of startup, Ndiswrapper show, that it cannot find 'kernel-headers' And the installed 'kernel-headers' are named linux-kernel-headers-2.6.22-19 in the 10.3 install. How can I change the name so that I can use Ndisinstaller ? kernel headers refer to the kernel source, but you do not need to install ndiswrapper from source. Just make sure you install both ndiswrapper AND the ndiswrapper-kmp package that matches your kernel. That package is prepackaged for your system and available via Yast assuming you have setup the oss repo and update repo. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
nordi wrote: So this benchmark is not really measuring performance, it is measuring your language settings. is not this a bug? do the non english users have to use a slow distro? jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ndisinstaller question.
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 11:57 +0200, Erik Jakobsen wrote: Aniruddha wrote: Try reinstalling the latest kernel headers through yast. Thanks for the advice, but unforunately it didn't work Try installing the linux kernel development files: yast2 - Filter: Patters - Development -Linux Kernel development -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE updater icon in taskbar (10.2)
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 22:59 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote: On Thursday 11 October 2007 10:44:44 pm Verner Kjærsgaard wrote: Hi list, - I wish to get rid of the SuSE updater (is it called so?), the little icon in the taskbar that turns to orange when updates are available. - I wish to do so, because the desktop is presented to students (LTSP) and I don't want the ordinary users desktop to show the icon. - what's the app called? opensuse-updater Thanks for answering my question. Strange thing is that when you remove opensuse-updater-kde during install it still gets installed. -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ndisinstaller question.
On 10/14/2007 03:25 PM, Erik Jakobsen wrote: I have tried to use the Ndisinstaller on opensuse10.3 At the point of startup, Ndiswrapper show, that it cannot find 'kernel-headers' And the installed 'kernel-headers' are named linux-kernel-headers-2.6.22-19 in the 10.3 install. How can I change the name so that I can use Ndisinstaller ? Guess I should have checked first, I thought ndisinstaller was a typo. :-[ You should only need your kernel source installed, but make sure you have the appropriate ndiswrapper-kmp package to match your kernel installed. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Cannot browse network since updates
Hi, I have been running Opensuse 10.3 for about a week now and up until the kernel was updated I could access my Laptop which is running Windows XP fine, now although it is seen in workgroup I cant access any shared folders. I get 'Could not connect to host for smb://siouxsie/' error message pop up and that's it. I have tried turning off the firewall with the same results. I can access my Linux PC from my laptop and file and printer sharing wotk fine. Anybody got any ideas? Thanks a lot Richard G. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 12:04:05 jdd wrote: nordi wrote: So this benchmark is not really measuring performance, it is measuring your language settings. is not this a bug? do the non english users have to use a slow distro? It's nothing to do with English, it's just that things like grep are slower when you use unicode/utf-8 than when you use POSIX. It's been known for a while -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Aniruddha wrote: Where can I get Unixbench? Simply use the link that Ian provided: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/Benchmarking/ At the bottom of the page you will find links to Unixbench. Are these tests done with or without beagle enabled? I don't have beagle installed, so my results are without beagle. Don't know for Ian. Regards nordi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ndisinstaller question.
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote: Guess I should have checked first, I thought ndisinstaller was a typo. :-[ You should only need your kernel source installed, but make sure you have the appropriate ndiswrapper-kmp package to match your kernel installed. Yes could have been so, but I also first encountered the typo as I look for ndiswrapper, and had the idea, that it was stuff for me :-) Thanks for the info on the kernel source as well as the ndiswrapper-kmp package. Whish you and you belowed family an pleasant Sunday Erik -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 14 October 2007 12:04:05 jdd wrote: nordi wrote: So this benchmark is not really measuring performance, it is measuring your language settings. is not this a bug? do the non english users have to use a slow distro? It's nothing to do with English, it's just that things like grep are slower when you use unicode/utf-8 than when you use POSIX. It's been known for a while as much as this, not by me!! and this should be think to fix (grep can be some time desperately slow) are there other apps impacted as much? thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - NOT on this list
[...] Just do what I do with the ones that can't to go with the wishes of the majority on this list, create a filter to delete their posts like I just did with you John. I hope some day you don't ask a question I had the answer to cause I'll never see your request. Boy, seems you think a lot of yourself, don't you? Anyway, in as rare as you are, I'm pretty sure I can find somebody else with the answer. Hope you have fun basking in your own overinflated ego. It is not a matter of Ken's ego. There are a lot of people with technical skills that will ignore top-posted threads. Not everybody mentions it like Ken did. I would guess that by top-posting you reduce your chance of getting an answer by half. The thing is that this is a technical list where top posting is against the general rule. We ask you nicely not to top post and there are perfectly good reasons for that on a technical list. So, if you deem yourself important enough to ignore that rule then how does that make you any different of what you are accusing Ken of? In my personal opinion, plain bottom posting is also an evil on technical lists. Inline posting makes the most sense on technical lists. Remember that a mailing list like this is a technical resource and the knowledge contained in it is valid for years. Try to solve a problem on SuSE 9.3 for instance. You search the lists and you find a thread that discuss the problem. If people did not follow inline posting, then you would end up scrolling up and down a number of emails in the thread to follow the flow in order to get to the answer you seek. If people followed the preferred posting rules, it is a matter of just following the thread and it reads all logical. No scrolling around. You can normally get the picture with the first glance at the mail and you normally find your answer in the first or second hit. See why we dislike top-posting so much? Nobody can read every email posted to this list. I scan the subjects for interesting threads every now and again. When I find one I go in and see if there is anything I can learn or help with. Most of the time the thread already have a few mails in it and if I have to scroll up and down an email trying to catch the thread of it, I ignore it. Many other people do the same thing and you end up loosing the interest of a lot of people who might have helped you. Not only Ken. -- Andre Truter | Software Consultant | Registered Linux user #185282 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.trusoft.co.za ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ndisinstaller question.
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote: Guess I should have checked first, I thought ndisinstaller was a typo. :-[ You should only need your kernel source installed, but make sure you have the appropriate ndiswrapper-kmp package to match your kernel installed. As I tried it again, having the necessary options installed, it told me, that the ndiswrapper was installed, and stopped. I uninstalled and ran th ndisinstaller again. I'm a bit trapped, as it searches for the necessary windows wlan files, but I'm not sure what it what to search for the installer. I have copied the files to a directory, and have the wlan card's cd-rom in the cd-rom drive, but cannto see how to chose the files. The files are greyed! I have here what I see on the screen: http://www.urbakken.dk/ndisinstaller1.jpg Hope someone can hel me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-kernel] Suggestion set the default Timer frequency to 1000 HZ
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 14:25 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Oct 14 2007 14:24, Aniruddha wrote: While poking around in the kernel source I learned that openSUSE's default Timer frequency is set to 250 HZ. Which is good for server usage. Why not set the default Timer frequency to 1000 HZ which is better suited for desktop? Because not everyone runs a desktop. Use -rt. openSUSE main focus appears to be the desktop not the server. Why focus on the desktop from the outside but cripple it's default inner workings? What is -rt? -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-kernel] Suggestion set the default Timer frequency to 1000 HZ
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 14:52 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote: realtime kernel. I thought you could figure since this is a kernel-related list. There is no need to talk in a demeaning manner, please watch your tone. What is the exact difference between kernel-rt and the kernel-default package? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ndisinstaller question.
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 14:36 +0200, Erik Jakobsen wrote: Joe Morris (NTM) wrote: Guess I should have checked first, I thought ndisinstaller was a typo. :-[ You should only need your kernel source installed, but make sure you have the appropriate ndiswrapper-kmp package to match your kernel installed. As I tried it again, having the necessary options installed, it told me, that the ndiswrapper was installed, and stopped. I uninstalled and ran th ndisinstaller again. I'm a bit trapped, as it searches for the necessary windows wlan files, but I'm not sure what it what to search for the installer. I have copied the files to a directory, and have the wlan card's cd-rom in the cd-rom drive, but cannto see how to chose the files. The files are greyed! I have here what I see on the screen: http://www.urbakken.dk/ndisinstaller1.jpg Hope someone can hel me. Err, what is that?! Have you tried installing the driver through the cli with: # ndiswrapper -i your_*.inf_file Off course this command should be run from the same directory the *.inf file is located. -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Just to add to the numbers, I very much prefer sensible -- sorry -- top posting. have been doing so for many years(*). I hate having to read pages of quoted text that I have already seen just to get the one line addition. ==John ffitch (*) Been using computer mail for 39 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: [opensuse-kernel] Suggestion set the default Timer frequency to 1000 HZ
On Sunday 14 October 2007 15:06:28 Aniruddha wrote: something on opensuse-kernel Please stop crossposting. If you really feel a message belongs on two mailing lists, send it twice Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do I connect to a Krfb invitation?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 11:47:09 Aniruddha wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 11:33 +0200, Aniruddha wrote: I wonder how do I connect to a Krfb invitation? Can also connect trough the internet? Unfortunately the documentation isn't working :( no-one knows? :( Use the Remote Desktop Connection (krdc) for example, which is in the menu in the same place as the krfb item Or just use any vnc client. Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do I see if someone has tried to log on to my computer...
sorry, typing too fast. i meant, checn the login.defs file for where to look and how to tweak and configure failed auth logging. On 10/13/07, darko g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check the login.defs file. # less /etc/login.defs On 10/13/07, Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/13/07, JB2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say I click on the 'lock' button on the taskbar (the one above the system on/off button). The screen goes black and if I hit a key on the keyboard or move the mouse, a small window pops up asking me for the user password. How do I find out if someone has tried to 'log in'? Even if they hit a key on accident or moves the mouse on accident, does the system log this too? If it's in a log somewhere, will it be easily human readable? Just showing the password dialog is not logged. But a login attempt with bad password is logged in /var/log/messages: 1. kdm login: Oct 13 19:04:23 compy kcheckpass[15345]: Authentication failure for sunny (invoked by uid 1000) 2. Text login (tty console): Oct 13 19:08:26 compy login[15308]: FAILED LOGIN 1 FROM /dev/tty2 FOR sunny, Authentication failure Strangely, if you try to log in with some username which does not exists on the system: 1. kdm login (invoked with switch user on the lock dialog) - produces nothing 2. Text login: Oct 13 19:02:31 compy login[7175]: FAILED LOGIN 1 FROM /dev/tty2 FOR UNKNOWN, User not known to the underlying authentication module This is strange, as it does not record which username was tried. And the kdm login attempt is not logged at all. Also, all ssh login attempts are logged in the same file. Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- cheers, dg a href=http://opensuse.org;img style=border: 0px solid ; width: 80px; height: 15px; alt=openSUSE.org title=openSUSE.org src=http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/6/6e/Suselinux-green.png; //a -- cheers, dg a href=http://opensuse.org;img style=border: 0px solid ; width: 80px; height: 15px; alt=openSUSE.org title=openSUSE.org src=http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/6/6e/Suselinux-green.png; //a -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How do I see if someone has tried to log on to my computer...
On 10/14/07, darko g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry, typing too fast. i meant, checn the login.defs file for where to look and how to tweak and configure failed auth logging. On 10/13/07, darko g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check the login.defs file. # less /etc/login.defs Thanks, it was, enough. Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] New 10.3 install, can't get wireless to work
I *think* it is the bcm4306. I read about the fwcutter bit, but thought that since I saw a line for bcm43xx in modprobe -l, I didn't need to pursue that. Obviously I don't completely understand modprobe, or how these pieces all tie together. I always thought firmware referred to code inside a chip on a piece of hardware (flash-rom). Are the .ko files displayed when I do a 'modprobe -l' the installed device drivers? If bcm43xx.ko ndiswrapper.ko are listed, than that means the drivers I need are present, right? I'll try fwcutter and see what happens. Thanks, Steve On 10/13/07, Kenneth Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 20:49 -0400, Steve Jacobs wrote: I've searched messages on this list, and haven't seen a solution to this yet. I've got a Dell lnspiron 8500, with the Dell TrueMobile 1300 wireless card. Under Win XP, and Suse 10.1 or 10.2 a long time ago using ndiswrapper, the wireless card works. My wireless network uses WPA2-Personal, AES. I've just installed openSuse 10.3 (32-bit). Following the install, the wireless would not connect. I saw in the install notes that if the network uses a non-broadcast ESSID, I may need to remove the intel wireless driver installed by default, and the other will install automatically. n my system neither of those intel drivers was installed by default. As my wireless card is Broadcom, not Intel, I guessed that was why neither was installed, and also guessed neither will work for me. Do you know which broadcom chip it uses? Some will work without using ndiswrapper. Mine uses the bcm43xx and I needed to use bcm43xx-fwcutter to extract the firmware to /lib/firmware and I also had to turn on SSID broadcast. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
I wrote: Ian, you should modify all tests to use the same language settings everywhere, because otherwise the results are pure bogus. The question is: Should we use POSIX or UTF8? If we use POSIX the results are somehow unrealistic, because everyone uses UTF8 nowadays. If we use UTF8, we cannot compare to older systems that do not support it. And then re-run the benchmarks on 10.2 and 10.3 and we will hopefully see a performance _increase_ for 10.3 ;) Hm, my results are not really what I had hoped for. More testing shows that 10.3 still seems to be much slower than 10.0 on my system: Posix 10.0 UTF8 10.3 Posix 10.3 == == Dhrystone 335.6 339.1 326.9 ok Whetstone 198.4 203.5 201.7 ok Execl 658.3 576.3 573.1 -13% File Copy 1024 534.6 481.0 480.9 File Copy 256 455.2 354.5 353.8 File Copy 4096 588.3 717.4 736.2 Pipe Throughput 468.1 277.6 283.3 -40% Context Switch 554.3 384.1 385.4 -31% Process Creat 1000.2 782.7 770.5 -23% Shell Scripts1 873.0 343.8!!!721.0 -17% Shell Scripts8 893.6 331.7!!!724.6 -19% System Call 903.8 333.7 336.7 -63%!!! - - - Index Score:568.9 397.3 450.6 The first two only do calculations and they are ok, some jitter, not more. The last ones (syscall, pipe, switch, create processes) have a lot of kernel involvement and score very low. The shell scripts also make heavy use of pipes, which might explain why they still score much lower for 10.3 than for 10.0, even though LANG=POSIX is used on both systems. Somehow this does not look right. The kernel in 10.3 seems to be _much_ slower than in 10.0. Maybe someone forgot to activate some optimization in the kernel config? Regards nordi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 15:40:58 nordi wrote: I wrote: Ian, you should modify all tests to use the same language settings everywhere, because otherwise the results are pure bogus. The question is: Should we use POSIX or UTF8? If we use POSIX the results are somehow unrealistic, because everyone uses UTF8 nowadays. If we use UTF8, we cannot compare to older systems that do not support it. And then re-run the benchmarks on 10.2 and 10.3 and we will hopefully see a performance _increase_ for 10.3 ;) Hm, my results are not really what I had hoped for. More testing shows that 10.3 still seems to be much slower than 10.0 on my system: Posix 10.0 UTF8 10.3 Posix 10.3 == == Dhrystone 335.6 339.1 326.9 ok Whetstone 198.4 203.5 201.7 ok Execl 658.3 576.3 573.1 -13% File Copy 1024534.6 481.0 480.9 File Copy 256 455.2 354.5 353.8 File Copy 4096588.3 717.4 736.2 Pipe Throughput 468.1 277.6 283.3 -40% Context Switch554.3 384.1 385.4 -31% Process Creat 1000.2 782.7 770.5 -23% Shell Scripts1873.0 343.8!!!721.0 -17% Shell Scripts8893.6 331.7!!!724.6 -19% System Call 903.8 333.7 336.7 -63%!!! - - - Index Score: 568.9 397.3 450.6 The first two only do calculations and they are ok, some jitter, not more. The last ones (syscall, pipe, switch, create processes) have a lot of kernel involvement and score very low. The shell scripts also make heavy use of pipes, which might explain why they still score much lower for 10.3 than for 10.0, even though LANG=POSIX is used on both systems. Somehow this does not look right. The kernel in 10.3 seems to be _much_ slower than in 10.0. Maybe someone forgot to activate some optimization in the kernel config? I don't have a 10.0 handy for testing. could you try' strace -T pgms/syscall 3 it will run for 3 seconds, and tell you where it spends its time. btw, I'm assuming you're running this on the same hardware for all tests Also, tests that don't do text manipulation, like grep, don't need to be tested with different locales Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Seems my table got messed up for whatever reason. Lets try again: Posix 10.0 UTF8 10.3 Posix 10.3 == == Dhrystone335.6339.1 326.9 ok Whetstone198.4203.5 201.7 ok Execl658.3576.3 573.1 -13% File Copy 1024 534.6481.0 480.9 File Copy 256455.2354.5 353.8 File Copy 4096 588.3717.4 736.2 Pipe Throughput 468.1277.6 283.3 -40% Context Switch 554.3384.1 385.4 -31% Process Creat 1000.2782.7 770.5 -23% Shell Scripts1 873.0343.8!!!721.0 -17% Shell Scripts8 893.6331.7!!!724.6 -19% System Call 903.8333.7 336.7 -63%!!! -- -- -- Index Score: 568.9397.3 450.6 Regards nordi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] New 10.3 install, can't get wireless to work
On 10/14/2007 09:39 PM, Steve Jacobs wrote: I *think* it is the bcm4306. I read about the fwcutter bit, but thought that since I saw a line for bcm43xx in modprobe -l, I didn't need to pursue that. Wrong (and please do not top post). The driver (even in Windows) dynamically uploads firmware code to allow it to work. The linux driver does the same, as the firmware is proprietary and specific to models, revisions, etc. Obviously I don't completely understand modprobe, or how these pieces all tie together. Modprobe loads a kernel module into the running kernel, so its code works. I always thought firmware referred to code inside a chip on a piece of hardware (flash-rom). It is hardware specific code. Are the .ko files displayed when I do a 'modprobe -l' the installed device drivers? Not exactly. man modprobe gives more info. It should basically list all kernel modules in a certain directory. To see what modules are loaded (and therefore able to run) use lsmod. If bcm43xx.ko ndiswrapper.ko are listed, than that means the drivers I need are present, right? They are compiled modules you could use, but they could contradict each other. Ndiswrapper loads the windows sys file, which contains the firmware the manufacturers write to control the hardware. bcm43xx loads the firmware and allows a more native way for broadcom 43xx adapters to interface with the kernel. I'll try fwcutter and see what happens. It will make a big difference. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 03:40, jdd wrote: ... as much as this, not by me!! and this should be think to fix (grep can be some time desperately slow) Try egrep (grep -E) for full regular expressions. It converts the pattern from an NFA to a DFA (look it up if you care) and that's usually faster, especially if you're processing a lot of text, which seems to be the only case you'd could end up complaining about grep's speed. If you decide to use egrep and are unfamiliar, read up on the differences in the pattern language, because it uses are several meta-characters not found in the basic grep regular expressions. If you're searching for fixed strings, use fgrep (grep -F). are there other apps impacted as much? thanks jdd Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 03:40:58PM +0200, nordi wrote: I wrote: Ian, you should modify all tests to use the same language settings everywhere, because otherwise the results are pure bogus. The question is: Should we use POSIX or UTF8? If we use POSIX the results are somehow unrealistic, because everyone uses UTF8 nowadays. If we use UTF8, we cannot compare to older systems that do not support it. And then re-run the benchmarks on 10.2 and 10.3 and we will hopefully see a performance _increase_ for 10.3 ;) Hm, my results are not really what I had hoped for. More testing shows that 10.3 still seems to be much slower than 10.0 on my system: Posix 10.0 UTF8 10.3 Posix 10.3 == == Dhrystone 335.6 339.1 326.9 ok Whetstone 198.4 203.5 201.7 ok Execl 658.3 576.3 573.1 -13% File Copy 1024534.6 481.0 480.9 File Copy 256 455.2 354.5 353.8 File Copy 4096588.3 717.4 736.2 Pipe Throughput 468.1 277.6 283.3 -40% Context Switch554.3 384.1 385.4 -31% Process Creat 1000.2 782.7 770.5 -23% Shell Scripts1873.0 343.8!!!721.0 -17% Shell Scripts8893.6 331.7!!!724.6 -19% System Call 903.8 333.7 336.7 -63%!!! - - - Index Score: 568.9 397.3 450.6 The first two only do calculations and they are ok, some jitter, not more. The last ones (syscall, pipe, switch, create processes) have a lot of kernel involvement and score very low. The shell scripts also make heavy use of pipes, which might explain why they still score much lower for 10.3 than for 10.0, even though LANG=POSIX is used on both systems. Somehow this does not look right. The kernel in 10.3 seems to be _much_ slower than in 10.0. Maybe someone forgot to activate some optimization in the kernel config? Can you run oprofile on them and see where time is wasted? Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linux patent suit: In search of the Microsoft smoking gun
take this to the alt. ng's On 10/13/07, Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 08:08 -0300, Druid wrote: On 10/13/07, Cristian Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred A. Miller escribió: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=828tag=nl.e589 Its impressive how some few people that use linux have such obsessive, compulsive, insane behavior on talking about microsoft, posting news about microsoft, creating theories about microsoft, repeating ad-nauseam that microsoft is bad, and other bla bla bla etc, etc, etc. They talk more about microsoft than their own marketing team. One would have thought that at this point of the game, people would know how the game works, and give a little less of media space, and not inflate the fear on new adopters, and not spread the panic for companies that are considering adopting linux. But no, you guys have to keep that shit alive... And then Im pretty sure somebody will reply to this email criticizing me in a super hero or middle ages knights hero tone, in a naive and disconnected from reality way, and talk about the war of the free software, and gnu, and that microsoft people eats babies bla bla bla. You guys should leave the lawsuits to the lawyers. I agree fully. Steve is an actor. His role in the MS play is to scare current MS users that they risk lawsuit if they leave for Linux. All bark. No bite. Why do we who have already left MS (maybe were never there - I am proudly in that camp) worry about an actor at a theater at which we no longer have seats? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- cheers, dg a href=http://opensuse.org;img style=border: 0px solid ; width: 80px; height: 15px; alt=openSUSE.org title=openSUSE.org src=http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/6/6e/Suselinux-green.png; //a -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Kai Ponte wrote: snip http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 HTH! HAND When I first started using linux (Caldera) and their user-organized list, I watched what everyone else was doing and figured that if I wanted help, it might be efficient to adopt the procedures used by the rest of the group. After reading the above document, I see that their procedures were/are identical to these. I choose other forums to be a free-thinking revolutionary; when I need to get my linux box fixed, I'm happy to follow a procedure, especially one that, BTW, makes sense. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Since I thread (and probably everyone else does) the list(s), I can simply expand them, the I click from message to message. When people top post I hardly have to move the mouse to read all the new stuff, when people bottom post I have to move the mouse to scroll through (sometimes) pages of stuff I've already read! It's irritating.so I usually just right click and delete those that are bottom posted. I never have understood the logic of bottom posting Michael On Saturday 13 October 2007 17:05, Paul Hands wrote: I prefer top posting as I can see the most recent stuff first, and I don't have any problem with reverse ordering. I am quite happy either way as well, so I *don't* try to force my view on others. Post where you like, people, we're all supposed to be bright enough to cope with it. Paul -- Michael Comperchio The integrity of the output is dependent on the integrity of the input [EMAIL PROTECTED] 860 485 8488 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 02:13:12PM +0100, jpff wrote: Just to add to the numbers, I very much prefer sensible -- sorry -- top posting. have been doing so for many years(*). I have been using computers for not that long, however have been using Usenet and mailinglists pretty intence and I prefere inline and if not bottomposting. I do not even answer topposters. I hate having to read pages of quoted text that I have already seen just to get the one line addition. That is where inline posting comes in and also snipping irrelevant parts. Also understand that you are on a mailinglist and not in personal mail, so it is very well possible that somebody has not read everything. So deleting everything is also very rude as it might not always be clear what or who you answer to. ==John ffitch (*) Been using computer mail for 39 years Then you will be aware of the moments where 7 people eamil each other and suddenly decide that you should be in on it as well. Ye need to scroll down 25 pages and find the text between several company-disclaimers what is said and what you should answer to the question What do you think of this? With mailinglists it is the same. Each moment people start reading in the middle of a thread, because they just got the time now or are interested in the subject, or whatever reason. I also am unable to remember each and every posting I read in the last few days. I follow several newsgroups as well (although not as intence as I used to) and mailinglists, so it is always good to be rememberd what a person reacts to. houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below: Please do not toppost.Please turn off HTML Read http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette Read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Log of recently installed apps
How do I get a log report of recently installed apps from the repositories? -- ---Bryen--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Log of recently installed apps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Bryen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-14-07 10:40]: How do I get a log report of recently installed apps from the repositories? rpm -qa --last | less - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn4472 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHEir8ClSjbQz1U5oRAmJPAKCQBXLcsf0dTYiR7tIR6Y03U7Qi/QCdHwpt yNJvwnw4bQUdmiP37bhNUgY= =IJMl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Anders Johansson wrote: I don't have a 10.0 handy for testing. could you try' strace -T pgms/syscall 3 it will run for 3 seconds, and tell you where it spends its time. I have attached the trace for Suse Linux 10.0. btw, I'm assuming you're running this on the same hardware for all tests Sure, wouldn't make a lot of sense if I didn't. Same hardware (Pentium M 1.3Ghz), same binaries (as downloaded for unixbench5.0). Also, tests that don't do text manipulation, like grep, don't need to be tested with different locales You are right, just wanted to be _really_ sure. Regards nordi trace_anders.bz2 Description: BZip2 compressed data
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
To all... I've kept silent for the most part but watched the posts on this subject and I'd like to state my two cents here. (as a newbie) Some points to remember: 1) Though this is a publicly accessed forum, it is NOT a publicly-owned forum. As such, the rules, as stated at the Netiquette page should be followed, whether we disagree or not. Harping all we want isn't going to get anywhere. 2) It is clear that the subject of topposting versus bottomposting is not a new subject here and those who have been members of this list are probably tired of hearing this debate over and over. It does interfere with the normal flow of discussions pertaining to the focus of the list itself. Those of us who are new here must respect that these issues have been discussed many times in the past before we got here. A consensus was agreed upon and everyone moved on. If we newbies want a change, wait a while until we gain some stature within the list and then propose a change. Jumping in and then trying to force the issue is tacky. 3) Note that I said propose a change. Not demand it. Not flout the existing rules. Saying I think top posting is just fine, do whatever you want is rude and disrespectful to a group that has worked hard to carefully develop rules of Netiquette. 4) Ok now I have to turn my sights on the oldies here. :-) While mistakes are clearly being made by us newbies, please do bear in mind that in fact they ARE newbies. The angry tone and threats to filter out does no good to the spirit of the forum itself. Give people a chance to adjust. Saying I do not even answer topposters... what did that gain? All it does is create two camps in the same list and in essence two sub invisible lists where one is filtered and the other isn't. While we need to follow the rules of the road here, and I believe most newbies do their best to, let's remember that Novell set up OpenSuse as a way for the world to participate in the development of Suse. I suspect this issue may get re-raised quite a bit over the next few weeks as 10.3 was just released. 10.3 has gotten alot of press and there are many first time users who are motivated to get involved and communicate. As a consequence, there will likely be a new influx of newbies over the next few weeks and I hope you have patience as OpenSuse community goes through its current growth spurt. Done stating my piece and I will try my best to avoid discussing this topic anymore. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-10-14 at 14:13 +0100, jpff wrote: Just to add to the numbers, I very much prefer sensible -- sorry -- top posting. have been doing so for many years(*). I hate having to read pages of quoted text that I have already seen just to get the one line addition. You are supposed to eliminate all the extra unneeded quotes when bottom posting. People that bottompost without eliminating those lines are just as bad as those that toppost. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHEi7qtTMYHG2NR9URAppuAJ9Pbv/We+TVi13i6PUs96IoxQ5AqgCfcMTb GOloMq1+43X71z8u+oin36w= =AlZL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Log of recently installed apps
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 10:43 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Bryen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-14-07 10:40]: How do I get a log report of recently installed apps from the repositories? rpm -qa --last | less You made it sound so easy... and it was! :-) Thanks! ---Bryen--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 02:51:40 Aniruddha wrote: Where can I get Unixbench? See my original post: You'll find the benchmarks, system details, and full results at: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/Benchmarking/ Are these tests done with or without beagle enabled? No beagle, I always delete it hey, I know where things are... ;-) Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-10-14 at 10:24 -0400, Michael Comperchio wrote: post I have to move the mouse to scroll through (sometimes) pages of stuff I've already read! It's irritating.so I usually just right click and delete those that are bottom posted. Because those bottomposters are lazy and don't follow the rules. They are supposed to eliminate all that unneeded text. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHEi/VtTMYHG2NR9URAqKTAJ4kNonXb8tKnR7yfUJvqgcOkUxIMACfc43q dk4K81+bGkk80O6XByM+73I= =pn9N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 16:58:28 nordi wrote: Anders Johansson wrote: I don't have a 10.0 handy for testing. could you try' strace -T pgms/syscall 3 it will run for 3 seconds, and tell you where it spends its time. I have attached the trace for Suse Linux 10.0. Cool. Can you do the same thing for 10.3, so we can compare? Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
What a response! Thanks everyone. I'm going to consolidate some replies here... On Saturday 13 October 2007 13:09:37 nordi wrote: Suse 10.0, runlevel 5:511.4 Suse 10.0, runlevel 1:920.7 Suse 10.3, runlevel 2:385.9 Suse 10.3, runlevel 1:756.9 This is _very_ strange. Usually I would say the benchmark is broken, but the benchmark simply starts a shell script that starts some GNU utilities. There's not much you can break here. Please note that the benchmarks themselves haven't been touched in 10 years at least (all my work has been on the framework around them). There could be all sorts of weirdness in there. But I don't think so, they're really very simple (too simple, really). Can someone confirm that running in runlevel 1 yields much higher benchmark scores? Yes: as the USAGE file says: When running the tests, I do *not* recommend switching to single-user mode (init 1). This seems to change the results in ways I don't understand, and it's not realistic (unless your system will actually be running in this mode, of course). No idea why, though. On Saturday 13 October 2007 13:43:37 Anders Johansson wrote: But yes, the benchmark is broken. I haven't looked in any great detail at what it does, but how it measures it is just wrong. In theory, it runs for 60 seconds, and at the end it counts how many iterations it has managed to do in that time, averaged over a couple of runs The problem is that it never checks if it has run for 60 seconds. It sets up a signal handler for SIGALRM, and just assumes that when the process receives that signal, the 60 seconds are up and it's time to report. Not true. Most test don't report the time taken; the Run script measures the *actual* time the test runs for, and uses that figure. This is not ideal, because it includes the program start-up and shutdown in the test score, but that's how it's always been. I'm considering changing it, though; I already did for the FS tests. On Saturday 13 October 2007 16:24:53 Lew Wolfgang wrote: I didn't try Ian's benchmarks, but I did fiddle around a bit with a floating-point intensive one that I've been using for years. It calculates very long FFT's and displays the accuracy. Bottom line is I didn't see any significant differences between runlevels 1 and 5. The benchmark ran in 8.7 seconds as measured by time. It did run a bit faster in 10.3 than 10.2. However, this wasn't a fair test since my 10.2 is 32-bit, my 10.3 64-bit on the same computer Then it's meaningless, I'm afraid. I'm seeing a 10-15% speedup just from running the 64-bit version of Linux as opposed to the 32-bit version, which would compensate for the slowdown in 10.3. Compare like with like. See: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/Benchmarking/ My test shows dhrystone *faster* on 10.3, and double-precision whetstone about the same. So it's no surprise that your FP test shows now slowdown. The slowdown I saw was in context switching, shell scripts (dramatically) and system calls (dramatically). OK, next batch... ;-) Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - NOT on this list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-10-13 at 23:12 -0600, John Meyer wrote: Just do what I do with the ones that can't to go with the wishes of the majority on this list, create a filter to delete their posts like I just did with you John. I hope some day you don't ask a question I had the answer to cause I'll never see your request. Boy, seems you think a lot of yourself, don't you? Anyway, in as rare as you are, I'm pretty sure I can find somebody else with the answer. Hope you have fun basking in your own overinflated ego. You are misguided. Many of the most knowledgeable people will do the same, without bothering to tell you why they ignore your emails. Not your's personally, but those of most topposters. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHEjE6tTMYHG2NR9URAhXjAJ9HehAbjr7MzABHiLMujXp+AYYnCgCeLQP2 3q/z5wNTGGf1jTBA29bjsP8= =R23P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 02:03:37 nordi wrote: After noticing that the benchmark also runs significantly faster for root than it runs for a normal user, I started looking at the environment. It turns out that the LANG variable is all that matters: [ ... ] So this benchmark is not really measuring performance, it is measuring your language settings. Ian, you should modify all tests to use the same language settings everywhere, because otherwise the results are pure bogus. And then re-run the benchmarks on 10.2 and 10.3 and we will hopefully see a performance _increase_ for 10.3 ;) Thanks for this investigation, it certainly looks relevant. BUT: I don't get what you mean. On one hand, I guess you're saying that I should set LANG manually, so that people running UnixBench all around the world will see consistent results. That's obviously a very good idea, and I'll do that. Thanks for the tip! But how does that change *my* results? My Sony and HP test systems are always installed as UK English; the others (they belong to my employer) as US English. So when I see a slowdown between 10.2 and 10.3 on the Sony, and a similar slowdown on the HP, that must be caused by something else. The slowdown seems to be worst in the shell tests and the system call overhead tests. How would LANG affect the latter? I'm going to re-install 10.2 on one of the Dell's boot partitions and do some more testing... now that I know about LANG, I'll take that into account. Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 03:40:21 jdd wrote: It's nothing to do with English, it's just that things like grep are slower when you use unicode/utf-8 than when you use POSIX. as much as this, not by me!! and this should be think to fix (grep can be some time desperately slow) It would be great to fix it, but impossible! UTF-8 is just more complex than ASCII. Nothing you can do about it. Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] System mail in 10.3
How do you tell the system which user openSUSE should send the system mail to? I know in 10.2 this could be done through YaST - User Management, but that option is not there in 10.3. Any one have a clue of where it has been moved to, or anyway other than YaST to do this? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 06:40:58 nordi wrote: I wrote: Ian, you should modify all tests to use the same language settings everywhere, because otherwise the results are pure bogus. The question is: Should we use POSIX or UTF8? If we use POSIX the results are somehow unrealistic, because everyone uses UTF8 nowadays. If we use UTF8, we cannot compare to older systems that do not support it. Anyone else got any feelings on this? Obviously we need to set it to something consistent. My feeling is that I should set it to en_US.UTF-8. Rationale: * Every (modern) install should support en_US.UTF-8. * Like nordi said, benchmarking with settings no-one uses is going to be unrealistic; for example, say there was a machine with hardware UTF support (it could happen) -- then if the tests were run as POSIX they wouldn't show the improvement. The big drawback, as nordi said, is that you lose consistency with pre-Unicode systems. Or do you? It's the old benchmarking problem of what it is that you're trying to measure. If you're measuring kernel performance, then you should always use POSIX, to remove the effect of things like the shell. But if you're measuring system performance -- which is what UnixBench is really designed for -- then you should use the system's default settings, so you measure what the system really does. After all, Unicode systems *really do* go slower than ASCII systems, and the test results should reflect that. Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 09:58:02AM -0500, Bryen wrote: 4) Ok now I have to turn my sights on the oldies here. :-) While mistakes are clearly being made by us newbies, please do bear in mind that in fact they ARE newbies. The angry tone and threats to filter out does no good to the spirit of the forum itself. Give people a chance to adjust. Saying I do not even answer topposters... what did that gain? Yes, oldies are tired of asking politely over and over again to please not toppost. Some people still keep topposting. Stating they they are killfiled is not an angry tone, it is a polite way of ecplaining what you are going to do. All it does is create two camps in the same list and in essence two sub invisible lists where one is filtered and the other isn't. Filtering is an individual something. If poeple decide to filter me or anmybody else out for whatever reason is totaly up to them. I would find it rude if they NOT tell me their point of view as to why they would do so. Wether somebody replies or not on whatever is also up to those individuals. I think it to be polite to let people know that I do not answer topposters in general. That way they can take action or not. Yet at least they know the reason. houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below: Please do not toppost.Please turn off HTML Read http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette Read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] mainboard questions
Hope this is the right place to ask this. I'm looking for a another mainboard for the puter. I would like a 64 bit system this time. Are there any recommendation out there for good boards. Will be going to 10.3 in the new little while. Linux user for long long time. -- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://clarge.bc.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
On Sunday 14 October 2007 17:23:07 houghi wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 09:58:02AM -0500, Bryen wrote: 4) Ok now I have to turn my sights on the oldies here. :-) While mistakes are clearly being made by us newbies, please do bear in mind that in fact they ARE newbies. The angry tone and threats to filter out does no good to the spirit of the forum itself. Give people a chance to adjust. Saying I do not even answer topposters... what did that gain? Yes, oldies are tired of asking politely over and over again to please not toppost. Some people still keep topposting. Stating they they are killfiled is not an angry tone, it is a polite way of ecplaining what you are going to do. And some oldies are just sick to death of this whole discussion which seems to me to be far more annoying than the top posts themselves Grow up -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 17:22:02 Ian Smith wrote: After all, Unicode systems *really do* go slower than ASCII systems, and the test results should reflect that. Not for people whose languages aren't representable in ASCII. For them, an ASCII system would be much slower If you don't take into account missing functionality, you might as well run your benchmark on a machine with no OS at all (like DOS, for example) and declare it the overall winner. Sure it's faster, but what difference does it make if you can't actually use it for anything useful If all you're interested in is winning benchmarks, I can provide you with patched versions of glibc and bash (where most functions are replaced by NOOP), which would beat all your systems hands down Like you said yourself, compare like with like Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
On Sunday, 14 October 2007, Anders Johansson wrote: And some oldies are just sick to death of this whole discussion which seems to me to be far more annoying than the top posts themselves Grow up Indeed. This list has more off-topic discussion than the off-topic list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linux patent suit: In search of the Microsoft smoking gun
Druid wrote: On 10/13/07, Cristian Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred A. Miller escribió: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=828tag=nl.e589 Its impressive how some few people that use linux have such obsessive, compulsive, insane behavior on talking about microsoft, posting news about microsoft, creating theories about microsoft, repeating ad-nauseam that microsoft is bad, and other bla bla bla etc, etc, etc. They talk more about microsoft than their own marketing team. While there may or may not be an MS connection in this suit, there was one with SCO. Also, take a look at what happened with OOXML ISO or the EU recently and many, many other examples over the years, as to why some of us are so openly anti-MS. MS has repeately competed in a criminal manner and yet so many people are oblivious to this fact and seem to thing MS is the most wonderful thing to hit the computer industry, despite all the harm they've caused. MS has the computer industry by the throat and they must be resisted in any legal way possible! As an example of how they've got their tentacles wrapped around many people, yesterday, I attended the Ontario Linux Fest in Toronto. One of the presentations was about how someone was arranging computers for very low income high school students. They would take donated computers and install Ubuntu, including OpenOffice on them. One of the things they have to do is change the default file formats in OpenOffice to those of MS Office. She tried to get some teachers to use OpenOffice and found they weren't allowed to have any software that competed with MS on the computers, due to the contract the school board has with Microsoft. This is despite the fact, that the Province of Ontario arranged a province wide license for StarOffice, for all tax funded schools. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
OK, I may have cracked the runlevel 1 issue. It seems that LANG is not set in runlevel 1. I just ran the following tests, on the Sony system, OpenSuSE 10.3, in runlevel 1: LANG not defined: System Benchmarks Partial Index BASELINE RESULTINDEX Shell Scripts (1 concurrent) 42.4 2815.8664.1 System Call Overhead 15000.0 454455.1303.0 LANG = en_US.UTF8: System Benchmarks Partial Index BASELINE RESULTINDEX Shell Scripts (1 concurrent) 42.4 1416.8334.2 System Call Overhead 15000.0 455891.6303.9 These last results pretty much match what I saw in runlevel 5 on the same machine. Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Anders Johansson schrieb: Cool. Can you do the same thing for 10.3, so we can compare? Here it is. Syscalls run considerably slower in 10.3 than in 10.0. I grepped through the file to see how long the syscalls took: 10.0: 5 usecs: 52792 6 usecs: 79944 7 usecs: 434 weighted average: 5.61 usecs 10.3 5 usecs: 16811 6 usecs: 85497 7 usecs: 4282 weighted average: 5.88 usecs That's only a 5% difference, but probably there are rounding errors hiding somewhere since we have very small numbers: If you go by the size of the files (6.0MB versus 7.5MB) the difference is much clearer. Btw, I saw the following on Suse 10.3: $ head -n 1 trace_anders temp $ time grep -c 'uid' temp 2494 real0m4.745s user0m4.720s sys 0m0.004s $ LANG=POSIX $ time grep -c 'uid' temp 2494 real0m0.004s user0m0.004s sys 0m0.000s Grepping with UTF-8 was super-slow for me, while grepping with LANG=POSIX worked as expected. On Suse 10.0 I can grep the whole file with UTF-8 in just 0.9 seconds, while on Suse 10.3 it takes 4.7 seconds to grep a small fraction. Anyone else seeing this? Regards nordi trace_slow.bz2 Description: BZip2 compressed data
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 08:38:06 Anders Johansson wrote: If all you're interested in is winning benchmarks, I can provide you with patched versions of glibc and bash (where most functions are replaced by NOOP), which would beat all your systems hands down Like you said yourself, compare like with like So... you're agreeing that we should use UTF-8? Seems sensible, anyhow. One question. I can set LANG to en_US.UTF-8, but I would like to have the test report include the language setting to confirm that it is set right. Like, if a system doesn't support en_US.UTF-8 for some reason, I want to know that it's not running a fair test. So how can I tell what the system is really using? For example, if I set LANG to sfsfgsfdg, then locale tells me I'm using sfsfgsfdg, but it actually defaults back to POSIX, and I get the wrong scores again. The command locale -a | grep $LANG should tell me whether the locale is installed, but doesn't, because it reports the name in a different format! Ideas? Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] mainboard questions
Hi, I just bought 2 ASUS mobos for AMD64. 1 is M2N32-SLI (built-in wifi). The other is an M2N-E SLI. Both run SuSE 10.2 beautifully - all hardware recognised configured. On the M2N-E board, I only have SATA drives, and 10.3 install fails with no repository found. Both have NVidia SLI cards, and run 3D and compiz fusion just perfectly. Paul clarge wrote: Hope this is the right place to ask this. I'm looking for a another mainboard for the puter. I would like a 64 bit system this time. Are there any recommendation out there for good boards. Will be going to 10.3 in the new little while. Linux user for long long time. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Ian Smith wrote: The command locale -a | grep $LANG should tell me whether the locale is installed, but doesn't, because it reports the name in a different format! Ideas? Try this: $ LANG=foo $ locale -a /dev/null locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory If you get any messages on stderr, then the locale is not supported. nordi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] System mail in 10.3
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 11:19 -0400, Adam Jimerson wrote: How do you tell the system which user openSUSE should send the system mail to? I know in 10.2 this could be done through YaST - User Management, but that option is not there in 10.3. Any one have a clue of where it has been moved to, or anyway other than YaST to do this? Easiest way is to edit /etc/aliases and add a line like: root: some_user_name Save the changes and run newaliases. All of this is done as the root user. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 09:11:24 nordi wrote: $ LANG=foo $ locale -a /dev/null locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory If you get any messages on stderr, then the locale is not supported. Yeah, it's a bit of a hack, and I'm worried how portable that would be (I'm trying to keep this a Unix benchmark, not just Linux), but that may be the best plan. So, UnixBench 5.2 will set LANG, and do its best to report the setting. Any other feature requests while I'm at it? Cheers, Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] windows that won't wobble with desktop effects enabled
On Saturday 13 October 2007 06:32:25 pm Frank Hale wrote: From an old geezer who turned 70 today, and has enough trouble seeing what's on screen, without it wobbling! Congrats on the birthday, I would have enjoyed your birthday more if you could have given me some incite to the problem I was experiencing with desktop effects. openSUSE 10.3 - 64 KDE 3 I just ran xterm from konsole and it wobbles. I have no netbeans to try. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] mainboard questions
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 07:55 -0700, clarge wrote: Hope this is the right place to ask this. I'm looking for a another mainboard for the puter. I would like a 64 bit system this time. Are there any recommendation out there for good boards. Will be going to 10.3 in the new little while. Linux user for long long time. -- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://clarge.bc.ca I advice my clients primarily Asus mobo's. They have a great bios update function and are of high quality and rebust. Stay away from anything MSI with a via chipset. Foxconn is the new player on the market, they started recently with selling mobo's under their own brand name. They have been a long time supplier of mobo's for companies like Dell. -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
nordi wrote: Try this: $ LANG=foo $ locale -a /dev/null locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory If you get any messages on stderr, then the locale is not supported. Nope, that doesn't work on Solaris. But Solaris formats its output so that your original instruction works: $ locale -a | grep $LANG de_DE.UTF-8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like Linux and Solaris use different output formats, and who knows what the other Unixes are doing. Regards nordi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: May get some BAD PRESS over this!!
Glenn Holmer wrote: On Saturday 13 October 2007 08:48, Randall R Schulz wrote: Technically, when invoked as /bin/sh, BASH operates in its Bourne Shell compatibility mode, which deprives you of many of BASH's innovations. Use /bin/bash to get full functionality. /bin/sh is a symlink to bash on 10.3 When you call an app or script, the first variable passed to it is the command used to call it. The app can then examine this and then change behaviour, based on the name called. So, while entering sh or bash will start the same code, how that code runs may be determined by the command used. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] System mail in 10.3
On Sunday 14 October 2007 12:12:19 pm Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 11:19 -0400, Adam Jimerson wrote: How do you tell the system which user openSUSE should send the system mail to? I know in 10.2 this could be done through YaST - User Management, but that option is not there in 10.3. Any one have a clue of where it has been moved to, or anyway other than YaST to do this? Easiest way is to edit /etc/aliases and add a line like: root: some_user_name Save the changes and run newaliases. All of this is done as the root user. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 Thank you I made the change and ran newaliases now I just need to wait and see if it works, assuming it doesn't matter where in the file you need add that line. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] System mail in 10.3
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 12:53 -0400, Adam Jimerson wrote: On Sunday 14 October 2007 12:12:19 pm Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 11:19 -0400, Adam Jimerson wrote: How do you tell the system which user openSUSE should send the system mail to? I know in 10.2 this could be done through YaST - User Management, but that option is not there in 10.3. Any one have a clue of where it has been moved to, or anyway other than YaST to do this? Easiest way is to edit /etc/aliases and add a line like: root: some_user_name Save the changes and run newaliases. All of this is done as the root user. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 Thank you I made the change and ran newaliases now I just need to wait and see if it works, assuming it doesn't matter where in the file you need add that line. It is easy enough to test, just send an email to root. From the command line you could use: mail -s test root You will then be able to type in some text and end the message by typing ctrl-d on a new line. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] System mail in 10.3 (solved)
On Sunday 14 October 2007 01:18:03 pm Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 12:53 -0400, Adam Jimerson wrote: On Sunday 14 October 2007 12:12:19 pm Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 11:19 -0400, Adam Jimerson wrote: How do you tell the system which user openSUSE should send the system mail to? I know in 10.2 this could be done through YaST - User Management, but that option is not there in 10.3. Any one have a clue of where it has been moved to, or anyway other than YaST to do this? Easiest way is to edit /etc/aliases and add a line like: root: some_user_name Save the changes and run newaliases. All of this is done as the root user. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 Thank you I made the change and ran newaliases now I just need to wait and see if it works, assuming it doesn't matter where in the file you need add that line. It is easy enough to test, just send an email to root. From the command line you could use: mail -s test root You will then be able to type in some text and end the message by typing ctrl-d on a new line. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 It works, thanks again for you help -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Question about Wireless
Sorry for the off-topic question here, but... I pretty much leave my two laptops on all day and night. Mostly because I'm either running some process that might take a long time or because I want to continue sharing torrents. I'm seeding 10.3 and 10.2 on my other laptop right now. In any case, every once in a while - and it is't on the same machine - Network manager will just die. I can no longer get into the wifi network. My desktop is connnected to the intraweb just fine but one of the two wireless machines are disconnected. Even trying to reconnect I get nowhere. I am pretty much forced to reboot. What can I do to diagnose this issue? I want to know if it is my Linksys router, the Intel cards in the machines or something else. Okay, now back to the usual rants about top posting... -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Anders Johansson schreef: On Sunday 14 October 2007 17:23:07 houghi wrote: Yes, oldies are tired of asking politely over and over again to please not toppost. Some people still keep topposting. Stating they they are killfiled is not an angry tone, it is a polite way of ecplaining what you are going to do. And some oldies are just sick to death of this whole discussion which seems to me to be far more annoying than the top posts themselves It's related to the seasons. In autumnal depressions we recycle the top/bottom posts discussion. In spring depressions, however, we recycle the Reply-to-list discussion. It'll pass eventually. :-) There is a time for every purpose under heaven. Eccl ?:?:? Where is Felix Miata when we need him? :-) -- Jos van Kanregistered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Compiz on openSUSE 10.2 (x86_64)
Brian Green wrote: Fernando Costa wrote: Fernando Costa wrote: Brian Green wrote: Fernando Costa wrote: Brian Green wrote: Hi [openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64), Linux 2.6.18.2-34-default, XFX GeForce 6600LE, Intel Pentium D CPU 3.20GHz, KDE 3.5.7 release 80.1] [snip] ...tried to install Compiz as an alternative ... [snip] Any hints would help ... Brian instead of xgl, use the native NVIDIA driver for 3D, run the following as root in the console: gnome-xgl-settings --disable-xgl that will obviously disable xgl, then run (always as root): nvidia-xconfig --composite --allow-glx-with-composite --render-accel --add-argb-glx-visuals after doing that you must create a script on: ~/.kde/Autostart/startcompiz.sh #! /bin/sh compiz --replace ccp and make it executable. That's it... you have the native NVIDIA driver running and compiz enabled, now you can run the CCSM and in the command line within the window decorations plugin, you can run your favorite window decorator, mine is set to emerald --replace If you have any doubt, don't hesitate to ask... ;-) Hi Fernando Great - and, thank you. I've got the cube, etc! But now I've got the no borders problem ... ? So you must run emerald --replace or the window decorator you want from the command line i don't know why it isn't working from the CCSM command line. OK. Restarted. I now have borders, and most of the candy that I've selected within ccsm, but now have a problem with Desktops/Workspaces. KDE Desktops There are always 4. I can change it with Configure Desktop, but it always reverts to 4. You must change from 4 to one desktop within the configure desktop and CCSM. Similarly, they take up half the panel. Workspaces == Moving applications to another workspace means they disappear and don't appear when the cube is rotated. They also disappear from the panel. This one is beyond me, maybe you must report as a bug. Alt-TAB === Alt-TAB only cycles through applications on the current Desktop. In order to cycle through all applications on all desktops use Alt+Super+Tab -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] nvidia GF 7300 LE and opensuse 10.3
Hello, This is a continuation of a recent thread about kmail blocking/freezing the system. See thread http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-10/msg01020.html My hardware Motherboard: Asus A8n32-SLI DELUXE AMD Athlon 64 DualCore 4500+. 2 Gb RAM Graphic Card: GeForce 7300 LE. 2 Sata drivers 1 IDE DVD RW openSUSE 10.4 x86_64 (nvidia driver) All begun after update from 10.2 to 10.3 As it has said, kmail is not the culprit because we have system freezes without kmail. I'm suspecting something related with graphic card, nvidia kernel module or X system. It seems that graphic cards using GForce 7300 LE chip can use system memory as cache, having them only 128 MB can use up to 512MB. And this is the problem (I think) : When system is overloaded and the requirements of X system are high, something happens that freezes the system. A cache corruption? , graphic card invading other resources memory?. The problem here is that we have no log in any file about the problem. The system hangs and we have to reset it manually. A curiosity is that sometimes only hangs part of X, because the mouse and all processes managed by cron still continue. Any other user suffering of this problem?. Any light in this. I will change my graphic card if I can't find a solution. It didn't happen with opensuse 10.2. Regards, Guillermo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.3 : Cannot get ATI fglrx working
I had too a lot troubles instaling ATI drivers in 10.3. I finally managed to install it from runlevel 3 uninstalling it previously. It was the only way the installation was complete and running. Excuse me for my bad English. 2007/10/13, Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 13 October 2007 19:35:57 Paul Hands wrote: 10.3 upgrade (reinstall) on thinkpad T60.10.2 was running ATI drivers just fine, also had compiz running great. No matter what I do, I cannot get away from the VESA framebuffer drivers with 10.3. I've downloaded a version of the ATI drivers - 8.40.4 which supports xorg 7.2. The installer runs, apparently OK, aticonfig says it's has fixed the xorg.conf file. However, checking for the fglrx kernel module comes back empty, so I manually loaded the fglrx module with the script in /lib/modules/fglrx, and it now shows up in lsmod. Nonetheless, if I run sax2, I only ever get the vesa FB, non 3D graphics. Running sax2 -r -m 0=fglrx fails, and the log shows no devices found. Any ideas, anyone? no devices found is the error message from the 8.41 driver. Are you sure you removed it completely before installing the 8.40 driver? Also, don't trust sax about 3d here. It doesn't know about the fglrx driver you just installed. Once you have the 8.40 driver properly installed and the 8.41 version completely removed, run sax2 -m 0=fglrx and accept the settings. You will get 3d from it Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
On Sunday 14 October 2007 18:01:32 nordi wrote: Anders Johansson schrieb: Cool. Can you do the same thing for 10.3, so we can compare? Here it is. Syscalls run considerably slower in 10.3 than in 10.0. I grepped through the file to see how long the syscalls took: 10.0: 5 usecs: 52792 6 usecs: 79944 7 usecs: 434 weighted average: 5.61 usecs 10.3 5 usecs: 16811 6 usecs: 85497 7 usecs: 4282 weighted average: 5.88 usecs That's only a 5% difference, but probably there are rounding errors hiding somewhere since we have very small numbers: If you go by the size of the files (6.0MB versus 7.5MB) the difference is much clearer. I think the main difference here is in the time the execve() call takes. On 10.0 it's 0.000140 seconds, whereas on 10.3 it's 0.019752. That's 140 times slower, and it dwarves all the other times I wonder why that would be Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] GTK styles and fonts in KDE via gnome-control-center for root
Hello. I use KDE and font Tahoma, but i'd like to use also the same fonts for smart, or synaptics(and for all gtk apps). When i set fonts in gnome-contol-center in user account, it'll work great.But when i want to change fonts for root account via gnome-control-center, there is a problem.It doesn't work for me.And fonts in smart and synaptics (and for all gtk include YaST) are other than Tahoma.In KDE control center are GTK styles and fonts enabled also. Any advice?What should i do? And for example when i start synaptic from command line i'll get a message: (synaptic:1803): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: May get some BAD PRESS over this!!
On Saturday 13 October 2007 09:26, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Oct 13 2007 08:03, Glenn Holmer wrote: You can just enter init=/bin/sh on the Boot Options line of the GRUB boot screen. The system will boot straight into bash and you can use your favorite editor on /etc/shadow. ... which is the way how it has been done ever since. But you need /bin/bash otherwise you get, as pointed out, a sh-compat shell. I don't see how that matters if all you're using it for is to invoke an editor against a single file and then reboot... After removing the password, use ctrl-alt-delete to restart the machine (if you use exit or control-D, you get a kernel panic / hard wait). Actually, you use umount -a reboot -f Thanks, but ctrl-alt-del is quite a few less keystrokes. On the other hand... And I don't see why passwd would not work. Just make sure your root volume is actually read-write Yes, that was the case, but I think it's an issue with XFS, which tends to be less forgiving in situations like this. Cf. this bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=326942 which didn't bother people running ext3 or reiser. I tried the procedure again using the above two commands and did not see the problem. Thanks, filed for future reference. -- After the vintage season came the aftermath - and Cenbe. Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Am Sonntag, 14. Oktober 2007 17:12:35 schrieb Ian Smith: as much as this, not by me!! and this should be think to fix (grep can be some time desperately slow) It would be great to fix it, but impossible! UTF-8 is just more complex than ASCII. Nothing you can do about it. Of course we could all go back to ASCII, but wouldn't that be a step backwards? I think this tiny bit of performance decrease is acceptable, I mean our machines are getting better and faster every day - heck why don't we allow us to have some comfort like this? ;) Greetings Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Looking at the syscalls in more depth, I wrote a small and simple
program that _only_ does syscalls in a big loop, see attachment. Just
uncomment the syscall that you want to benchmark.
Here are the results for Suse 10.0, 10.2 (rescue system) and 10.3.
Hopefully I get the table right this time...
10.0 10.210.3
-- -
gethostname8.5711.77 14.47 seconds/run
stat 14.4919,38 21.90 seconds/run
getuid 2.78 5.438.41 seconds/run
close(dup) 9.0915.83 21.93 seconds/run
Looks like syscalls have been getting slower over time. I'm just amazed
_how_ much slower this is. Did the same thing happen for the vanilla kernel?
Regards
nordi
#include stdio.h
#include unistd.h
#include sys/utsname.h
#include sys/types.h
#include sys/stat.h
int main() {
int i;
uid_t myuid;
struct stat x;
char name[5];
for(i=0;i2000;i++) {
//gethostname(name, 1);
//stat(/, x);
//myuid=getuid();
close(dup(0));
}
return 0;
}
[opensuse] Startup Apps
I accidentally put some apps in my startup apps. So now these apps start when i boot the pc. How do i remove them from startup? Using sled sp1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
On 2007/10/14 14:41 (GMT-0400) Jos van Kan apparently typed: There is a time for every purpose under heaven. Eccl ?:?:? Where is Felix Miata when we need him? :-) I made a reply to this thread Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:11:05 -0400, but apparently it disappeared into the ether. It showed up nether here nor in the archive thread http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-10/msg01757.html -- The basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. President Harry S. Truman Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Startup Apps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Chris Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-14-07 17:12]: I accidentally put some apps in my startup apps. So now these apps start when i boot the pc. How do i remove them from startup? Using sled sp1 How did you put them in? Might give you a klew :^) - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn4472 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHEogAClSjbQz1U5oRAv/1AJ9GmWUm2QUCGE7cUHhUqzTej5ksugCgjbP/ Rf91YBIixgjcT/0SdxoSsOU= =b3oX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.3 benchmarking: slower than 10.2?
Forgot to mention that we now have bug #333739, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=333739 Maybe the Suse kernel-guys know if this is a bug or a feature. nordi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Can I lock a DHCP ip adress?
My brother get his ip adres through DHCP from a large college lan, his ip changes with regular intervals. I wonder is it possible reserve one particular ip for his machine and if so how do I do this? -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can I lock a DHCP ip adress?
Aniruddha wrote: My brother get his ip adres through DHCP from a large college lan, his ip changes with regular intervals. I wonder is it possible reserve one particular ip for his machine and if so how do I do this? Sure - are you the admin of the dhcp server? Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can I lock a DHCP ip adress?
Aniruddha wrote: My brother get his ip adres through DHCP from a large college lan, his ip changes with regular intervals. I wonder is it possible reserve one particular ip for his machine and if so how do I do this? It is possible, but it has to be done at the dhcp server, where an IP address can be assigned to a MAC address. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [opensuse] Can I lock a DHCP ip adress?
-Original Message- From: Aniruddha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:29 PM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] Can I lock a DHCP ip adress? My brother get his ip adres through DHCP from a large college lan, his ip changes with regular intervals. I wonder is it possible reserve one particular ip for his machine and if so how do I do this? It is possible, however not your end. What you are referring to is a called a static IP. I assume you would have to talk to the Administrator of the network at the college. You would most likely have to give reasons why you would need this. I doubt the admin will give in. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Top posting is just fine - it's a personal choice thing.
Am Sonntag, 14. Oktober 2007 01:14:15 schrieb John Meyer: You can make reasonable arguments for either style, therefore it is a matter of choice. No it's not, according to the netiquette[0], we use bottom posting. Period. I'm sick of this old theme, we've it every 3 months(correct me, it's probably even more often..). So please, if you want to participate on this list please hold on to them, otherwise everyone will know you're not caring about it - as we won't do about your problems. Really, I'm sick of this topic, so excuse me if I sound a little huffy. Cheers Michael [0] http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] Can I lock a DHCP ip adress?
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 14:34 -0700, joe wrote: Aniruddha wrote: My brother get his ip adres through DHCP from a large college lan, his ip changes with regular intervals. I wonder is it possible reserve one particular ip for his machine and if so how do I do this? Sure - are you the admin of the dhcp server? Joe Errr, I am afraid not. He just receives his ip adress through dhcp. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can I lock a DHCP ip adress?
Aniruddha wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 14:34 -0700, joe wrote: Aniruddha wrote: My brother get his ip adres through DHCP from a large college lan, his ip changes with regular intervals. I wonder is it possible reserve one particular ip for his machine and if so how do I do this? Sure - are you the admin of the dhcp server? Joe Errr, I am afraid not. He just receives his ip adress through dhcp. Ah - in that case, you're at the whims of the local network admins. In most situations I've seen, the address will remain with a machine as long as the lease is renewed regularly. If it's unplugged for the weekend though, all bets are off come Monday morning. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Can I lock a DHCP ip adress?
Michael S. Dunsavage wrote: -Original Message- From: Aniruddha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:29 PM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] Can I lock a DHCP ip adress? My brother get his ip adres through DHCP from a large college lan, his ip changes with regular intervals. I wonder is it possible reserve one particular ip for his machine and if so how do I do this? It is possible, however not your end. What you are referring to is a called a static IP. I assume you would have to talk to the Administrator of the network at the college. You would most likely have to give reasons why you would need this. I doubt the admin will give in. Static IP's are entirely separate from a dhcp server. A dhcp server can be configured to reserve a specific IP address for a given MAC address. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
