Re: [opensuse-factory] a checkin timeout before an Alpha release?

2008-01-16 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Dienstag 15 Januar 2008 schrieb Stephan Kulow:
 Am Dienstag 15 Januar 2008 schrieb Stephan Kulow:
  Am Dienstag 15 Januar 2008 schrieb Toni Harbaugh-Blackford:
   Not on ppc.  It has not been installable for a month.
 
  Yeah, ppc is in a sad state. We hope to get ppc support in the build
  service soonish so that you could help. You could help in debugging why
  the testsuite of yast2-country fails. That would help - I still have 10.2
  on my ppc ;)

 Just for reference: this is the bug tracking the problem:
  https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=353637


I found the underlying problem and with some luck, ppc can join the alpha1
choir.

Greetings, Stephan

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release notes (Re: [opensuse-factory] status report distribution week 3)

2008-01-16 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 - factory is - I would say - interesting at the moment,
   many failing packages are causing a huge dependency
   problem as we updated glibc, perl and networkmanager
 - kde 4.0.0 got integrated
 - glibc 2.7
 - perl 5.10
 - networkmanager 0.7
 - pine is dropped, alpine replaces it now

Some of these items are probably worth mentioning in the release notes.
It is probably too early to start writing aobut KDE 4.

The perl update seems to cause some headaches.  Would someone please to
post some details?

Are there incompatibility issues with glibc and networkmanager?

Is the alpine relpacement seemingless?

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Re: release notes (Re: [opensuse-factory] status report distribution week 3)

2008-01-16 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Mittwoch 16 Januar 2008 schrieben Sie:
 Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  - factory is - I would say - interesting at the moment,
many failing packages are causing a huge dependency
problem as we updated glibc, perl and networkmanager
  - kde 4.0.0 got integrated
  - glibc 2.7
  - perl 5.10
  - networkmanager 0.7
  - pine is dropped, alpine replaces it now

 Some of these items are probably worth mentioning in the release notes.
 It is probably too early to start writing aobut KDE 4.

 The perl update seems to cause some headaches.  Would someone please to
 post some details?
It's causing headaches because some packages do not build for other reasons
and then require the old perl version. It's not a different perl though.

 Are there incompatibility issues with glibc and networkmanager?
I'm not yet aware of user visible changes due to them. networkmanager 0.7
will offer more features, but that should not be part of the release notes
imo.

 Is the alpine relpacement seemingless?
I _think_ so, ask bk

Greetings, Stephan

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[opensuse-factory] update another partition possible?

2008-01-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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Hi,

I wonder if it is possible to update a partition containing factory (10.3 
beta, actually) while the running system (different system version) 
resides in another partition.


 control
  running--updating (stopped)

  standard 10.3 factory 11α


The idea is to be able to continue doing things elsewhere while the 
lengthy download takes place.



A posibility would be vmware, I guess.

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-16 Thread Rajko M.
On Tuesday 15 January 2008 11:48:29 am Aaron Kulkis wrote:

...
 That's a highly selective sample you have there,
 totally ignoring the vast majority which complain
 about beagle..and ONLY beagle, being a resource hog.

  1) Ubuntu HORRIBLY SLOW...even after removing beagle!
  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/ubuntu-horribly-slow...
 even-after-removing-beagle-550662/
 
  2) At the time, Beagle was slow, really slow.  (07-31-2007)
  http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=showid=7976
etc.
...
It is first page. 
Google hits without time reference is bad sample to prove point about software 
in development. That is the reason why I used time reference, when 
appropriate. 

But, as Bryen said, it is enough. 
I'm out of this. 

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Re: [opensuse] Using apt-get will conflict with yast ?

2008-01-16 Thread Rajko M.
On Tuesday 15 January 2008 07:59:31 pm Arie Reynaldi Z wrote:
 All,

 I know this might be so lamme but I really need to know about this. I
 have opensuse 10.0 and I use to have my cd's so whenever I need
 install some application just use that cd's. Now, my cd's are broken..
 and I know want to use apt-get (http://en.opensuse.org/APT) or any
 other tools.. to install some application from internet. Is there any
 conflict / problem if I use apt-get and Yast installer in a same time
 ? Cause I still want to use Yast Software management.

 regards,

If you want to use something else that is compatible with YaST try Smart. 
So far I know, apt is on it's way out for rpm. 

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[opensuse] Firefox saves file types .rar as .bin

2008-01-16 Thread Rastislav Krupanský
Hello

Whenever i download any files with file type .rar (for example file.rar),
Firefox´ll save it to ntfs partition as file.rar.bin. It could by only in
Firefox settings, or it sounds like a bug?
Thanks

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Re: [opensuse] firefox crashes with yahoo maps

2008-01-16 Thread Mark Goldstein
On Jan 16, 2008 9:56 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark Goldstein wrote:
  On Jan 16, 2008 12:12 AM, Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   opensuse 10.3 32bit +KDE 3.5.8, firefox 2.0.0.11 from the repository. It
   crashes when using maps.yahoo.com to get directions - any directions.
 
   If I put only single addresses, it displays them ok, but if I put 2
   addresses and try to get directions, it crashes firefox with this message:
 
   firefox-bin: cairo-pen.c:324: _cairo_pen_find_active_cw_vertex_index:
   Assertion `i  pen-num_vertices' failed.
   /usr/bin/firefox: line 208:  7699 Aborted $MOZ_PROGRAM 
  $@
 

 Can one of you please create a bugreport with that information?

Done, Bug #354103

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Re: [opensuse] firefox crashes with yahoo maps

2008-01-16 Thread Darragh O'Heiligh
 On 16/01/2008 at 08:43:31, in message
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 On Jan 16, 2008 9:56 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark Goldstein wrote:
  On Jan 16, 2008 12:12 AM, Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   opensuse 10.3 32bit +KDE 3.5.8, firefox 2.0.0.11 from the repository. It
   crashes when using maps.yahoo.com to get directions - any directions.
 
   If I put only single addresses, it displays them ok, but if I put 2
   addresses and try to get directions, it crashes firefox with this 
  message:
 
   firefox-bin: cairo-pen.c:324: _cairo_pen_find_active_cw_vertex_index:
   Assertion `i  pen-num_vertices' failed.
   /usr/bin/firefox: line 208:  7699 Aborted $MOZ_PROGRAM 
 $@
 

Have you ever tried this with the latest firefox at: 
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ 


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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread M9.
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Joe Morris (NTM) schreef:
 On 01/16/2008 03:14 AM, M9. wrote:

  Try the other link, you can ftp them down,
 many mirrors, surely there is one beside you.
 On 11.0 it does not work, firefox hangs on the java testpage,
 the manual shows a wrong way to symlink the plugin,
 What manual?

INSTALL-j2re

 system does not completely shutdown, had to use button.
 I threw away the symlink and the install, and than it wnt back to normal.
 What are you talking about?

My experiences with the plugin

 The pluginwrapper, that is installed by default does not work here
 either.
 That is to use a 32 bit plugin with a 64 bit browser.  Blackdown has a
 64 bit plugin.

It might be outdated?



 You can try it (BD) yourself, but it *might* be a waste of time, but
 maybe for you it is not.
 It is hardly a waste of time to have a working 64 bit java plugin, if
 you prefer to use a 64 bit firefox.

Ofcourse, who on a 64bit machine does not want 64bits software on it?

 The only thing that works is the 32bits fifefox, because there is only i
 mean i586. javaplugin
 Wrong.

No i tried that, in version 10.1 and 10.2.

 j2re1.4.2/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so (BlackDown pkg)

 You did not get the amd64 package

Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no]
y
Verifying archive integrity...OK
Uncompressing Blackdown Java 2 Standard Edition Runtime Environment
v1.4.2-rc1 for
Linux/amd64..
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/rt.jar
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/jsse.jar
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/charsets.jar
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/ext/localedata.jar
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/plugin.jar
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/javaws/javaws.jar
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Re: [opensuse] firefox crashes with yahoo maps

2008-01-16 Thread Mark Goldstein
Hi,

On Jan 16, 2008 10:54 AM, Darragh O'Heiligh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Have you ever tried this with the latest firefox at:
 ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/


No, but I tried with mozilla.org 2.0.0.11 for Linux and it works, as I wrote.

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Re: [opensuse] Problem with zypper

2008-01-16 Thread Jan Kupec
Hi Jan,

Jan Tiggy wrote:
 I have a problem with zypper. It doesn't refresh local repositories here.
 
 rpm -qa |grep zypper
 zypper-0.8.25-0.1
 
 rpm -qa |grep createrepo
 createrepo-0.4.10-14
 
 - adding webpin-0.8-1.guru.suse103.i586.rpm to /srv/diverse
 - evoking creterepo /srv/diverse
 - evoking as root zypper ref:
 
 getting:
 zypper ref
 ...
 Repository 'diverse' ist aktuell. (is up to date)

It is most probable (provided that you have refreshed the 'diverse' repo
before) that zypp.conf's repo.refresh.delay came into action. Here is
the explanation from that file (/etc/zypp/zypp.conf):

##
## Amount of time in minutes that must pass before another refresh.
##
## Valid values: Integer
## Default value: 10
##
## If you have autorefresh enabled for a repository, it is checked for
## up-to-date metadata not more often than every repo.refresh.delay
## minutes. If an automatic request for refresh comes before
repo.refresh.delay
## minutes passed since the last check, the request is ignored.
##
## A value of 0 means the repository will always be checked. To get the
oposite
## effect, disable autorefresh for your repositories.
##
## This option has no effect for repositories with autorefresh disabled,
nor for
## user-requested refresh.
##
repo.refresh.delay = 10

 But when I repeat this procedure couple of times then zypper finally
 recognizes the new repodata.

After those 10 minutes i suppose :O)

So to you can either turn off the repo.refresh.delay by setting it to 0,
or you can use zypper refresh -f to force the refresh, no matter what
libzypp thinks about whether refresh is needed.

HTH

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Re: [opensuse] Can't build nvidia driver on kernel 2.6.22.5-31-xen

2008-01-16 Thread Jonathan Ervine
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 17:35:26 Chee How Chua wrote:
 On Jan 16, 2008 1:13 PM, Jonathan Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I don't personally have an Intel based graphics chipset, but I have
  seen colleagues running Xen with compiz running in Dom0 with Intel
  graphics adapters. Obviously you need to ensure that the Intel
  graphics adapter is supported by the in kernel Intel drivers :-)
 
  Jon

 You're sure that is not a machine SSHing into another one with Xen ;)

 Is it safe to assume that whatever Intel graphic adapter that can be
 used by the non-Xen kernel can also be recognised by the Xen kernel?

Haha - I hadn't considered that. But I was told by colleagues who are 
reliable that it was done all on the local machine. I have had the 
later versions of the radeon driver in the kernel run the wobbly 
windows stuff and Xen at the same time. However, the radeon driver 
performance wasn't really usable. You could tell that the windows 
wobbled and the cube rotated, but it wouldn't impress anyone :-) (This 
was using Xgl and not aiglx, as all attempts with aiglx failed in Xen 
for me)

I would imagine an Intel adapter that works in a non-Xen kernel for 3d 
should work in a Xen kernel, but I'm not offering any guarantees 
either :-)

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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread M9.
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M9. schreef:
 
 
 Joe Morris (NTM) schreef:
 On 01/16/2008 03:14 AM, M9. wrote:
 
  Try the other link, you can ftp them down,
 many mirrors, surely there is one beside you.
 On 11.0 it does not work, firefox hangs on the java testpage,
 the manual shows a wrong way to symlink the plugin,
 What manual?
 
 INSTALL-j2re
 
 system does not completely shutdown, had to use button.
 I threw away the symlink and the install, and than it wnt back to normal.
 What are you talking about?
 
 My experiences with the plugin
 
 The pluginwrapper, that is installed by default does not work here
 either.
 That is to use a 32 bit plugin with a 64 bit browser.  Blackdown has a
 64 bit plugin.
 
 It might be outdated?
 

 You can try it (BD) yourself, but it *might* be a waste of time, but
 maybe for you it is not.
 It is hardly a waste of time to have a working 64 bit java plugin, if
 you prefer to use a 64 bit firefox.
 
 Ofcourse, who on a 64bit machine does not want 64bits software on it?
 
 The only thing that works is the 32bits fifefox, because there is only i
 mean i586. javaplugin
 Wrong.
 
 No i tried that, in version 10.1 and 10.2.
 
 j2re1.4.2/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so (BlackDown pkg)

 You did not get the amd64 package
 
 Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no]
 y
 Verifying archive integrity...OK
 Uncompressing Blackdown Java 2 Standard Edition Runtime Environment
 v1.4.2-rc1 for
 Linux/amd64..
 Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/rt.jar
 Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/jsse.jar
 Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/charsets.jar
 Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/ext/localedata.jar
 Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/plugin.jar
 Creating ./j2re1.4.2/javaws/javaws.jar
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~
 
 

I must admit, that i have made a mistake here.
I tried again this morning, and now it does not hang on the
java-testpage, but it says:

   Verifying Java Version

Oops! You don't have the recommended Java installed.
Your Java version is 1.4.2-rc1. Please click the button below to get the
recommended Java for your computer.

NOTE: If you recently completed your Java software installation, you may
need to restart your browser (close all browser windows and re-open)
before verifying your installation.

My question: how to let the plugin point to the

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ java -version
java version 1.6.0_03
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.6.0_03-b05, mixed mode)
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Re: [opensuse] Slow spamd/spamc [±solved]

2008-01-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Wednesday 2008-01-16 at 01:19 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:


It might be this one:

local_destination_concurrency_limit = 2

I'll try 3. Two is the default value.


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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread M9.
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M9. schreef:

 I must admit, that i have made a mistake here.
 I tried again this morning, and now it does not hang on the
 java-testpage, but it says:
 
  Verifying Java Version
 
 Oops! You don't have the recommended Java installed.
 Your Java version is 1.4.2-rc1. Please click the button below to get the
 recommended Java for your computer.
 
 NOTE: If you recently completed your Java software installation, you may
 need to restart your browser (close all browser windows and re-open)
 before verifying your installation.
 
 My question: how to let the plugin point to the
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ java -version
 java version 1.6.0_03
 Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05)
 Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.6.0_03-b05, mixed mode)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~
 
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ set | egrep '(JAVA|JVM|JRE|JDK)'
JAVA_BINDIR=/usr/lib64/jvm/jre/bin
JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib64/jvm/jre
JAVA_ROOT=/usr/lib64/jvm/jre
JRE_HOME=/usr/lib64/jvm/jre

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[opensuse] LANG wrong on Gnome

2008-01-16 Thread Frank Hrebabetzky
Hi,

After installation of Suse 10.3 everything worked well, but from one day
on I have been getting frequently the following error message:
Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
Using the fallback 'C' locale
Then I got aware that
echo $LANG
executed on a virtual terminal on my Gnome desktop results in
C
So I tried:
- yast-sysconfig-System-Environment-Language: RC_LANG=en_US.UTF-8
  (leaving all other RC_... empty)
- ~/.profile:   export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
- /etc/profile.local:   export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
but nothing helped. When logging in at a text console (ctrl-alt-F1),
then LANG has the expected value (en_US.UTF-8).

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Re: [opensuse] Firefox saves file types .rar as .bin

2008-01-16 Thread Pavol Rusnak
Rastislav Krupanský wrote:
 Whenever i download any files with file type .rar (for example file.rar),
 Firefox´ll save it to ntfs partition as file.rar.bin. It could by only in
 Firefox settings, or it sounds like a bug?

Is this behaviour also present when saving to ext3 or other filesystem?
Could you please check whether server sends this rar file with MIME type
application/x-rar-compressed[1]? (I suspect that it is using
application/octet-stream ...)

[1] you can use this for example:
wget --save-headers http://.../file.rar
head file.rar

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Re: [opensuse] Kmail, GMail and Imap

2008-01-16 Thread Matthias Bach
Hi!

 But when I set up a folder (I name it GOOGLEMAIL) and connects to my gmail
 account using the IMAP protocol, Kmail fetches 119320 (!) headers. But I

Are you sure, did you check the count in your All Mail Category? I bet the 
119320 Messages is All Mail + Spam. As google mail doesn't have folders all 
those mail should be in one imap folder and only have different imap 
flags/categories set.

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Re: [opensuse] Kmail, GMail and Imap

2008-01-16 Thread Marcin Floryan
On 16/01/2008, Verner Kjærsgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But when I set up a folder (I name it GOOGLEMAIL) and connects to my gmail
 account using the IMAP protocol, Kmail fetches 119320 (!) headers. But I only
 have around 4 mails in my Gmail account (total including spam).

Do you mean mails or 'threads (discussions) ? You may have more
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Re: [opensuse] Kmail, GMail and Imap

2008-01-16 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Onsdag 16 januar 2008 11:58 skrev Matthias Bach:
 Hi!

  But when I set up a folder (I name it GOOGLEMAIL) and connects to my
  gmail account using the IMAP protocol, Kmail fetches 119320 (!) headers.
  But I

 Are you sure, did you check the count in your All Mail Category? I bet the
 119320 Messages is All Mail + Spam. As google mail doesn't have folders all
 those mail should be in one imap folder and only have different imap
 flags/categories set.

 Regards,
 Matthias
Hi

I just checked the amount of mails (my gmail account) in all_mails, it says: 
38841 mails. Which I also believe is correct.

I'll delete the GOOGLEMAIL folder in Kmail and try it again...

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[opensuse] Kmail, GMail and Imap

2008-01-16 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Hi list,

- google (gmail) just made it possible to use IMAP for retrieval of mail.
I use SuSE10.2/KDE3.5.8-release 22.3/Kmail 1.9.5

But when I set up a folder (I name it GOOGLEMAIL) and connects to my gmail 
account using the IMAP protocol, Kmail fetches 119320 (!) headers. But I only 
have around 4 mails in my Gmail account (total including spam).

And during the proces, Kmail has a tendency to crash. So I restart Kmail and 
it continues to collect headers.

- I don't understand...
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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread M9.
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M9. schreef:
 
 
 M9. schreef:
 

 Verifying Java Version
 
 Oops! You don't have the recommended Java installed.
 Your Java version is 1.4.2-rc1. Please click the button below to get the
 recommended Java for your computer.
 


Another thing:

To test the java you go to:
http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

If the red X is showing, the applet is not loaded.
Then there are some possibilities:
1)Enable Java in the Browser
2)Enable Java from the control panel.

As the java in the browser was enabled, i went for 2)

However, the control panel did not show, i knew this allready, so i
edited the path.
Guess what?
it was pointing
to:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0.u3.sr2-sun-1.6.0.u3/jre/bin/ControlPanel,

Only, there is no /bin in /jre

There is a bin here:
/usr/lib64/jvm/java-1.6.0.u3.sr2-sun-1.6.0.u3/jre/bin/

But no control panel.

What is happened to it?

So there are more things that need to be done before Java works in a
64bits firefox.

And again: in Konqueror it works, without plugin.

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Re: [opensuse] Kmail, GMail and Imap

2008-01-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Wednesday 2008-01-16 at 11:46 +0100, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:


- google (gmail) just made it possible to use IMAP for retrieval of mail.
I use SuSE10.2/KDE3.5.8-release 22.3/Kmail 1.9.5

But when I set up a folder (I name it GOOGLEMAIL) and connects to my gmail
account using the IMAP protocol, Kmail fetches 119320 (!) headers. But I only
have around 4 mails in my Gmail account (total including spam).


Funny.

Using fetchmail, gmail imap reports only the new emails (ie, 4 in my 
case):


Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP A0003 SELECT INBOX
Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged 
\Draft \Deleted \Seen)
Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS 
(\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen \*)]
Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * OK [UIDVALIDITY 2]
Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * 4 EXISTS
Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * 0 RECENT
Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * OK [UNSEEN 4]
Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * OK [UIDNEXT 124033]
Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP A0003 OK [READ-WRITE] INBOX 
selected. (Success)


and 4 is what it retrieves. Maybe kmail tries to get the headers of the 
entire thing (124033?).


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[opensuse] MySQL 5 rpms for SuSE 9.3?

2008-01-16 Thread Kevin Thorpe

Does anyone know where I can get mysql version 5 for SuSE 9.3?

I really should upgrade but that's a huge job. I'd have to spend all 
weekend doing it.


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[opensuse] liby2util

2008-01-16 Thread Dave Plater
Does anybody know whats happened to liby2util, its disappeared off the
factory repository? I did a search on the opensuse site and only found
old versions and no explanations. Maybe it got lost in the crash.
Dave
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Re: [opensuse] MySQL 5 rpms for SuSE 9.3?

2008-01-16 Thread Michal Marek
Kevin Thorpe wrote:
 Does anyone know where I can get mysql version 5 for SuSE 9.3?

There are 5.0 and 5.1 rpms for 10.0 in the buildservice:
http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=mysqlbaseproject=SUSE%3ASL-10.0 ,
if you're lucky, it'll work on 9.3 too. If not, you can take the src.rpm
and rebuild.


 I really should upgrade

Definitely.

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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread Joe Morris (NTM)

On 01/16/2008 05:17 PM, M9. wrote:


 j2re1.4.2/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so (BlackDown pkg)

 You did not get the amd64 package

Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no]
y
Verifying archive integrity...OK
Uncompressing Blackdown Java 2 Standard Edition Runtime Environment
v1.4.2-rc1 for
Linux/amd64..
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/rt.jar
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/jsse.jar
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/charsets.jar
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/ext/localedata.jar
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/lib/plugin.jar
Creating ./j2re1.4.2/javaws/javaws.jar
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Looks like you linked the wrong plugin.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ls -l /usr/lib64/browser-plugins/
total 3236
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  89 2005-05-17 05:17 libjavaplugin_oji.so - 
/usr/lib64/Blackdown-j2sdk-1.4.2/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so


I don't undserstand how your amd64 Blackdown had an i386 plugin.
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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread Joe Morris (NTM)

On 01/16/2008 07:14 PM, M9. wrote:

Another thing:

To test the java you go to:
http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

If the red X is showing, the applet is not loaded.
Correct, mine showed the red x.  Right clicking in the frame gave me a 
choice to go to the java console, where I saw this error
java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: testvmDynamicJavaCom 
(Unsupported major.minor version 49.0)
Which only tells me the applet does not support this older version I am 
using (but the ONLY working 64 bit java plugin available).



So there are more things that need to be done before Java works in a
64bits firefox.
It does work for most things, but of course it is getting old.  Why 
Blackdown could do it almost 4 years ago, but Sun still cannot, I do not 
understand.  Seems not to be technical reasons, but political.


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Re: [opensuse] Using apt-get will conflict with yast ?

2008-01-16 Thread Arie Reynaldi Z
  I know this might be so lamme but I really need to know about this. I
  have opensuse 10.0 and I use to have my cd's so whenever I need
  install some application just use that cd's. Now, my cd's are broken..
  and I know want to use apt-get (http://en.opensuse.org/APT) or any
  other tools.. to install some application from internet. Is there any
  conflict / problem if I use apt-get and Yast installer in a same time
  ? Cause I still want to use Yast Software management.
 
  regards,

 If you want to use something else that is compatible with YaST try Smart.
 So far I know, apt is on it's way out for rpm.


Ok.. I'll try smart.. thanks for advice :-)
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Re: [opensuse] email to fax

2008-01-16 Thread Joe Morris (NTM)

On 01/16/2008 03:17 PM, Maura Edelweiss Monville wrote:

But I need to send out some letters I edited on my
computer.

I know there are plenty of companies offering such a
service through a monthly payment.
Most of them only support Windows and I am running
SuSE.
Moreover, it would be nice to have a pay-as-you-go
service as I might send from home 1/2 faxes per year.

Does anyone know of such a plan ?

Thanks,
Maura
  
As I mentioned, an HP officejet, which includes a builtin fax, will do 
what you want.  I am using an officejet 5600 with the hplip software, 
and it works very well.  Maybe a different way than you are thinking, 
but very easy and not very expensive if you need to buy one.  Check the 
hplip site at sourceforge for a list of supported printers if you need 
to buy.


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Re: [opensuse] liby2util

2008-01-16 Thread Stanislav Visnovsky
Dňa Wednesday 16 January 2008 12:42:43 Dave Plater ste napísal:
 Does anybody know whats happened to liby2util, its disappeared off the
 factory repository? I did a search on the opensuse site and only found
 old versions and no explanations. Maybe it got lost in the crash.
 Dave

liby2util was dropped AFAIK as the code was integrated into yast2-core. Most 
of the stuff was there for the old packagemanager (pre-libzypp stuff) and it 
was not used anymore.

Stano

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Re: [opensuse] liby2util

2008-01-16 Thread Dave Plater
Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
 Dňa Wednesday 16 January 2008 12:42:43 Dave Plater ste napísal:
   
 Does anybody know whats happened to liby2util, its disappeared off the
 factory repository? I did a search on the opensuse site and only found
 old versions and no explanations. Maybe it got lost in the crash.
 Dave
 

 liby2util was dropped AFAIK as the code was integrated into yast2-core. Most 
 of the stuff was there for the old packagemanager (pre-libzypp stuff) and it 
 was not used anymore.

 Stano

   
Thanks Stano,
Dave
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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

2008-01-16 Thread Philipp Thomas
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:10:51 +0100 (CET), Carlos E. R. wrote:

With a salary of 3€ (I used € for my calculations, or $=€)  per year, 
which is a high salary here for a supervisor in my country, that makes

€3/year would barely get you a junior programmer here (if at all).
If he's got a CS degree, you'd have to raise that significantly. And $
is € is ~ $ 1.5 

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Re: [opensuse] email to fax

2008-01-16 Thread Donald D Henson
Scroll to the end for my comments.

Don Henson

Maura Edelweiss Monville wrote:
 But I need to send out some letters I edited on my
 computer.
 
 I know there are plenty of companies offering such a
 service through a monthly payment.
 Most of them only support Windows and I am running
 SuSE.
 Moreover, it would be nice to have a pay-as-you-go
 service as I might send from home 1/2 faxes per year.
 
 Does anyone know of such a plan ?
 
 Thanks,
 Maura
 
 --- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Donald D Henson wrote:
 Tony Alfrey wrote:
 Maura Edelweiss Monville wrote:
 I have enrolled with a company service providing
 me
 with the facility of receiving faxed material
 directly
 to my home computer as an email attachment.
 I wonder whether the other way round is possible
 as
 well.
 The same company should have this service.  For
 example, I use eFax in
 the US to do this.  But it should work anywhere. 
 I just put the fax
 number ahead of @efaxsend.com and I send off the
 email to that address
 and it is done.  They also have a fancy GUI app
 that I don't bother with.
 She may be using the free version of eFax. That
 allows receiving faxes
 but you cannot send them.
 slap
 Silly me.  Thanks for the reality check ;-)
 Get eFax Messenger� with your eFax subscription to
 view and edit your 
 faxes.  Note view and edit not send.




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 Maura Edelweiss M.
 
If you have a faxmodem (if not, they're pretty cheap), check out
Kdeprintfax. It may already be installed on your system. If not, it
should be in one of your available repositories. Just Install Software
and search for fax. Good luck.

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Re: [opensuse] Kmail, GMail and Imap

2008-01-16 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Onsdag 16 januar 2008 12:15 skrev Carlos E. R.:
 The Wednesday 2008-01-16 at 11:46 +0100, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
  - google (gmail) just made it possible to use IMAP for retrieval of mail.
  I use SuSE10.2/KDE3.5.8-release 22.3/Kmail 1.9.5
 
  But when I set up a folder (I name it GOOGLEMAIL) and connects to my
  gmail account using the IMAP protocol, Kmail fetches 119320 (!) headers.
  But I only have around 4 mails in my Gmail account (total including
  spam).

 Funny.

 Using fetchmail, gmail imap reports only the new emails (ie, 4 in my
 case):

 Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP A0003 SELECT INBOX
 Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * FLAGS (\Answered
 \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen) Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]:
 IMAP * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen \*)]
 Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * OK [UIDVALIDITY 2] Jan
 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * 4 EXISTS
 Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * 0 RECENT
 Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * OK [UNSEEN 4]
 Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP * OK [UIDNEXT 124033]
 Jan 16 12:03:15 nimrodel fetchmail[25868]: IMAP A0003 OK [READ-WRITE]
 INBOX selected. (Success)


 and 4 is what it retrieves. Maybe kmail tries to get the headers of the
 entire thing (124033?).

I just deleted the GOOGLEMAIL folder in my Kmail. Shut down Kmail and started 
over. Created a GOOGLEMAIL folder, setup the IMAP account (named the same...) 
and Kmail started fetching Emails. When it reached 12+, it crashed. I 
have around 39000 emails in google, just checked again.

I'm not familiar with fetchmail, how do you get to get the dialog you show??

As always, thank you!

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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread M9.
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Joe Morris (NTM) schreef:
 On 01/16/2008 07:14 PM, M9. wrote:
 Another thing:

 To test the java you go to:
 http://java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

 If the red X is showing, the applet is not loaded.
 Correct, mine showed the red x.  Right clicking in the frame gave me a
 choice to go to the java console, where I saw this error
 java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: testvmDynamicJavaCom
 (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0)
 Which only tells me the applet does not support this older version I am
 using (but the ONLY working 64 bit java plugin available).

Yes i tried that also, and i got ofcourse the same error ;-)
But Firefox hung again, and i was not able to scroll..
Had to close it and startup again...
It is getting a little too old for this time, more or less



 So there are more things that need to be done before Java works in a
 64bits firefox.
 It does work for most things, but of course it is getting old.  Why
 Blackdown could do it almost 4 years ago, but Sun still cannot, I do not
 understand.  Seems not to be technical reasons, but political.

I can not see a reason here, as to less 64bit desktops?
There is a 64bit server versionJava HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM
(build 1.6.0_03-b05, mixed mode), which i also have installed, and
blackdown uses this hotspot also with the 1.4 version...

Why are these guys stopped maintaining that pkg?

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Re: FW: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-16 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 00:12 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
 Kevin Dupuy wrote:
  On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 22:29 +, not disclosed wrote:
  For the love of all that is good and holy about our mailing list... WILL
  YOU PLEASE TAKE THIS INCESSANT BITCHING to the Beagle mailing list???
  I'm tired of a) this constant repetition of an old thread when not all
  of us have a problem, yet it is taking up half the mailing list messages
  on a  daily basis lately and b) all it does is just encourage Aaron to
  whine on and on and we get filled with delayed delivery messages from
  his woe-be-gone messaging system.
 
  Tired of this nonsense already.   Move on or take action where it is
  appropriate already people!
  It is not a beagle issue - it is a SUSE  packaging issue, we all know what 
  beagle does 
  and how it performs - for a huge number of people it is a huge pain in the 
  arse. Dropping
  it from the distro would be popular, making it optional would be much more 
  popular.
 
  My opinion it is a crappy solution to a non existent problem, if people 
  want it let them
  opt in rahter than forcing everyone else to opt out.
 
  If there was a survey for things people removed within 1 week of 
  installing SUSE then
  beagle would probably be number 1 or number 2 and that makes it a prime 
  candidate
  for dropping from the default install.
  
  If you're having these problems it is a bug and it IS A BEAGLE ISSUE!
  What is it you are thinking when you say it is a SUSE issue... Desktop
  Search is the future, any desktop user or tech journalist will tell you
 
 Just like the Ford Pinto's high-mileage feature, complete
 with exploding gas tank.
 
 Sorry, deal-killers are not features, no matter how much
 happy-gigggle shit comes with them.
 
  that. A non-existent problem? TO you maybe. If you keep your filesystem
  absolutely spotless, then you may not need it, but you're also about 1%
  of all computer users.
 
 And until Beagle is reasonably bug-free, then it should
 NOT be part of the standard installation.  Especially
 packaged in such a way that the package manage indicates
 errors if you try to opt-out of Beagle at install time.
 
 Currently, Beagle is a bug-ridden pile of crap, which
 should NOT be part of the default install.
 
 Version 0.2 implies something VERY different from 0.9...
 namely, that it ain't ready for prime time.
 
 Seriously...the Linux kernel hit a high reliability
 status sooner than Beagle ... US Army, Bosnia was using
 a Linux box in 1996, by which time it had an uptime of
 over 450 days.
 
 Which means that it had been up, without rebooting,
 since 1994.
 
 How old is beagle now..and it's STILL falling into
 infinite loops.  I don't care what the reason is,
 every time it does, it's due to a bug.  And it really
 doesn't matter if it's because Microsoft has a closed
 file format for MS office documents... if Beagle isn't
 ready to handle office documents, and falls into an
 infinite loop because of it... and the devs KNOW
 this... then for normal users, .doc files should
 be SKIPPED by default, until beagle can scan those
 files without going berserk.
 
 New users generally HAVE to store .doc files sent to
 them by Windows users... which sets up the user for
 a VERY bad experience -- which will not be blamed on
 beagle's inept behavior, but on Linux as a whole.
 
 
  
  The users that would not know how to opt in would be the prime
  candidates for who would use Beagle, those like yourself who would know
  how to opt out are more likely not to use it.
 
 Beagle is NOT READY
 
 I say again:
 
   NOT
 
   READY
 
 
File
A
Bug.

That's the last time I'm responding to this thread.

-Kevin.
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RE: [opensuse] compro dvb-t200

2008-01-16 Thread Wayne and Leanne Roberts
Hi all
Has anybody got a compro dvb-t200 working with suse 10.3 either
using the compro supplied drivers (comprousa.com) or open source drivers

wayne

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Re: [opensuse] Kmail, GMail and Imap

2008-01-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Wednesday 2008-01-16 at 13:43 +0100, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

...


I'm not familiar with fetchmail, how do you get to get the dialog you show??


It's a command line utility, that's the syslog (/var/log/mail), when 
fetchmail is called in verbose mode.


The setup is:

 fetchmail -- postfix -- procmail -- user's box

I don't know how well it would integrate with kmail. Probably the best 
thing would be deliver the mail to the system inbox, and let kmail get it 
from there. Otherwise, procmail can sort it to the final local folder (a 
task it is designed to do), but kmail will not notice that, and it's 
indexes will be out of sync.


The disadvantage is, of course, that you loose the instant notice of new 
mail arrival that you get with remote imap acounts. The advantage is that 
is *very* reliable (and you get a mail log for trazability), and that it 
can work in the background with little cpu impact.


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RE: [opensuse] compro dvb-t200

2008-01-16 Thread Roger.Munoz
I have compro dvb-t200 working flawlessly in 10.3

To get it to work you need to do the following

Yast2 - Hardware - Tv card

You should then see '0 - TV?Videomate DVB-T200'

Edit - Vendor = Compro , Card = videomate DVB-T200

Expert settings - kernel Module =  saa7134-dvb

That should be all

Hope it works.



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To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [opensuse] compro dvb-t200

Hi all
Has anybody got a compro dvb-t200 working with suse 10.3 either
using the compro supplied drivers (comprousa.com) or open source drivers

wayne

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Re: [opensuse] repos not working

2008-01-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Tuesday 2008-01-15 at 20:22 -, Bob wrote:


Thanks, Sergey. I'd better subscribe to opensuse-announce as well. I
wonder if that's what Patrick was hinting at?


Yes! It has been asked and answered several times in this list :-)


In that case, please accept my apologies.


Of course, don't mention it :-)

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[opensuse] pdftk

2008-01-16 Thread not disclosed

Is there a good reason that the version of pdftk included with suse is so old 
(v1.12)?

The current version (1.41) contains some very useful new features as well as 
bug fixes and is still GPL / LGPL.

Cheers,

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Re: [opensuse] repos not working

2008-01-16 Thread Philippe Landau

Carlos E. R. wrote:

I wonder if that's what Patrick was hinting at?

Yes! It has been asked and answered several times in this list :-)

In that case, please accept my apologies.

Of course, don't mention it :-)

RAID is a redundant array of inexpensive disks.
Novell described this as major hardware failure and took
two days to replace them, someone on this list even suggested
we should just wait mouth shut because their use is free,
but the repositories are back now, thanks.

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Re: [opensuse] pdftk

2008-01-16 Thread Pavol Rusnak
not disclosed wrote:
 Is there a good reason that the version of pdftk included with suse is so old 
 (v1.12)?
 
 The current version (1.41) contains some very useful new features as well as 
 bug fixes and is still GPL / LGPL.

PDFTK 1.41 is in SUSE since August 2007.

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Re: [opensuse] repos not working

2008-01-16 Thread David C. Rankin

M9. wrote:



Frank Fiene schreef:

On Dienstag 15 Januar 2008, Bob wrote:

YaST has suddenly decided it cannot find any content on the following
repos

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/non-oss/
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Backports/openSUSE_10.
3/

amongst others.

The error message says File /repodata/repomd.xml not found on media

I'm sure nothing's been changed at my end, so what's happening?

Server had an hardware problem, i think they restore a backup now!



Some raids where/are damaged/down..
it is expected earliest late night fix, if the new raids arrive in time,
that is...



unrecoverable disk errors just suck

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RE: [opensuse] compro dvb-t200

2008-01-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Wednesday 2008-01-16 at 13:19 -, Wayne and Leanne Roberts wrote:


Hi all
Has anybody got a compro dvb-t200 working with suse 10.3 either
using the compro supplied drivers (comprousa.com) or open source drivers



You just have hijacked a thread: please, don't do that.

This is about:

Subject: Re: [opensuse] Kmail, GMail and Imap


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Re: [opensuse] lost kde window decorations - kids..

2008-01-16 Thread David C. Rankin

David C. Rankin wrote:

Listmates,

My kids have a dell desktop with 10.3. Somehow, they have lost all 
window decoration in kde. Compiz is _NOT_ installed. The window 
decorations are lost for all 4 login IDs. I have no clue what they did.


What to check? kwin --replace  returns the window decorations  to 
their proper place. How can I restore the basic kde config? KDE is the 
only desktop loaded (no xfce, etc..).


Thanks for helping!



	One more clue, the systray icons (dreaded dog volume power klipper 
etc.) are not in the systray, but scattered somewhere over the desktops. 
I have only seen this with ATI and compiz, but like I said compiz isn't 
installed.


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Anyone have any ideas about which config file to check??

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Re: [opensuse] Kmail, GMail and Imap

2008-01-16 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Onsdag 16 januar 2008 14:20 skrev Carlos E. R.:
 The Wednesday 2008-01-16 at 13:43 +0100, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

 ...

  I'm not familiar with fetchmail, how do you get to get the dialog you
  show??

 It's a command line utility, that's the syslog (/var/log/mail), when
 fetchmail is called in verbose mode.

 The setup is:

   fetchmail -- postfix -- procmail -- user's box

 I don't know how well it would integrate with kmail. Probably the best
 thing would be deliver the mail to the system inbox, and let kmail get it
 from there. Otherwise, procmail can sort it to the final local folder (a
 task it is designed to do), but kmail will not notice that, and it's
 indexes will be out of sync.

 The disadvantage is, of course, that you loose the instant notice of new
 mail arrival that you get with remote imap acounts. The advantage is that
 is *very* reliable (and you get a mail log for trazability), and that it
 can work in the background with little cpu impact.

Thanks to everyone!
- it didn't fix my Google problem, but it sure did help me understand stuff!
- I'll install 10.3 one of these weeks - and get back to the IMAP/GOOGLE 
thing - if it's still there.

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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

2008-01-16 Thread Jerry Feldman
Good discussion, so I just thought I would add my 2 cents...
Ubuntu, SuSe, and Red Hat have different models. SLES and SLED are
targeted toward the enterprise and include support options. They are
also more stable releases. The paid-for OpenSuSE includes only
installation assistance. 

Canonical is a commercial company that supports the Open Source Ubuntu
family and provides support for a fee.  I would suspect that if there
were a reasonable demand, Novell could provide fee-based support
services since the mechanism is there with SLED and SLES.  Canonical
provides 9-5 support desktop for 1 year at $ 293.76 and server support
for $ 881.25. The difference is that SuSE and Red Hat both provide
enterprise versions where Ubuntu provides a desktop and server version
free of charge where you buy the support as an extra. The advantage of
the SuSE model is that releases of OpenSuSE can be more cutting edge
where releases of SLES and SLED are stable built on the experience
learned from OpenSuSE.  Just a different way of doing the same thing.

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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread Carlos F. Lange
On Mon January 14 2008 15:31:45 Stan Goodman wrote:
 And how can I get an appropriate Java plugin into Firefox?

I found this Wiki page by Waveclaw:
http://en.opensuse.org/User:Waveclaw

and I adapted his idea to install a standalone version of Firefox 32bit, 
only I installed it under /usr/local to be available to everyone:
http://en.opensuse.org/User:Cflange

I don't know how to create a more official Wiki page (not under our 
home), but those 2 have all the information you need.

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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread Marcin Floryan
On 16/01/2008, Carlos F. Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I found this Wiki page by Waveclaw:
 http://en.opensuse.org/User:Waveclaw

 and I adapted his idea to install a standalone version of Firefox 32bit,
 only I installed it under /usr/local to be available to everyone:
 http://en.opensuse.org/User:Cflange

 I don't know how to create a more official Wiki page (not under our
 home), but those 2 have all the information you need.

Why not just go to:
http://en.opensuse.org/Java_plugin_for_Firefox
and click Edit

It is much better to have all the articles in the main namespace not
the user namespace. Also, you may wish to use your user page for
something else one day.

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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread Marcin Floryan
On 16/01/2008, Marcin Floryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 16/01/2008, Carlos F. Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  I don't know how to create a more official Wiki page (not under our
  home), but those 2 have all the information you need.

 Why not just go to:
 http://en.opensuse.org/Java_plugin_for_Firefox
 and click Edit

 It is much better to have all the articles in the main namespace not
 the user namespace. Also, you may wish to use your user page for
 something else one day.


I just moved your article here:

http://en.opensuse.org/How_To_use_Java_with_Firefox_on_64-bit_openSuSE_10.3

It should be best integrated with http://en.opensuse.org/User:Waveclaw
as well so there is one uniform article with relevant title.

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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

2008-01-16 Thread Billie Walsh
Philipp Thomas wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:10:51 +0100 (CET), Carlos E. R. wrote:

   
 With a salary of 3€ (I used € for my calculations, or $=€)  per year, 
 which is a high salary here for a supervisor in my country, that makes
 

 €3/year would barely get you a junior programmer here (if at all).
 If he's got a CS degree, you'd have to raise that significantly. And $
 is € is ~ $ 1.5 

 Philipp
   
Hell, If I could do programming at home in my jammies for $30,000 a year
I would jump on it.
 I worked my butt off for a lot less than that.
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Re: [opensuse] Top/lsof

2008-01-16 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:47:42 -0500
Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If he's trying to do web serving on a machine that's also
 being used as a desktop...the problem isn't CPU usage,
 it's more likely disk-drive utilization conflicts...

Or memory contention.  This can cause a lot of swapping, and ties right
in to disk-drive utilization conflicts. 

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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

2008-01-16 Thread Sunny
On Jan 16, 2008 10:02 AM, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good discussion, so I just thought I would add my 2 cents...
 Ubuntu, SuSe, and Red Hat have different models. SLES and SLED are
 targeted toward the enterprise and include support options. They are
 also more stable releases. The paid-for OpenSuSE includes only
 installation assistance.


Actually, there is a lot of similarities between RH's and Novell's
models, with one important part which is missing for Novell offerings:

1. Payed enterprise - RH Enterprise - SLED,SLES
2. Free community (bleeding edge) - Fedora - OpenSuse
3. Free enterp. - CentOS - 

I know, that RH has nothing to do with CentOS, and that CentOS is
completely separate entity, but looks like RD are OK with it, as this
provides free version of their enterprise product to test and use in
small shops w/o support, etc. And if you already have installed base,
and people familiar with the product - it is more likely to choose the
original, when you have tto make large scale (and paid) deployment.

So, what we really need is a group of enthusiasts to put the effort to
create something similar from SLES. Even with a silent support of the
idea from Novell.

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Re: [opensuse] XGL, OSS and NON-OSS repositories down?

2008-01-16 Thread Shawn Protsman

On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Ken Schneider wrote:


Shawn Protsman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
My online update applet show that I have updates available. When I  
run

it through its paces it finished but still says there are updates
available. Tried zypper instead and get this output:



As reported here repeatedly, the main server for opensuse.org crashed.
Or don't you read any email posted here?


Ken,

Thanks for the info, but the sarcasm isn't necessary. I just signed  
up on this list so obviously there are many posts I have not seen. I  
looked through a few of the archives and didn't see anything so I  
decided to post a message asking what's up?. Is that okay with you?  
I recently switched my office workstation from SLED 10 SP1 to  
openSUSE 10.3 to do some build testing and figured it would be a good  
idea to jump on the list.


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[opensuse] new openSuSE Repository Rebuild: Package Integrity Checks Fails

2008-01-16 Thread David C. Rankin

Listmates,

	As the update and repo servers recover, there is a problem with the 
integrity checks failing for several packages (rekall and lyx that I 
have found). The failure causes the yast2 ncurses interface to 'blow up' 
for lack of better words. Screenshot at:


http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshot/opensuse/yast2_pkg_integ_chk_failures.jpg

Just thought I would pass it along.


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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

2008-01-16 Thread Shawn Protsman

On Jan 16, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:


Good discussion, so I just thought I would add my 2 cents...
Ubuntu, SuSe, and Red Hat have different models. SLES and SLED are
targeted toward the enterprise and include support options. They are
also more stable releases. The paid-for OpenSuSE includes only
installation assistance.

Canonical is a commercial company that supports the Open Source Ubuntu
family and provides support for a fee.  I would suspect that if there
were a reasonable demand, Novell could provide fee-based support
services since the mechanism is there with SLED and SLES.  Canonical
provides 9-5 support desktop for 1 year at $ 293.76 and server support
for $ 881.25. The difference is that SuSE and Red Hat both provide
enterprise versions where Ubuntu provides a desktop and server version
free of charge where you buy the support as an extra. The advantage of
the SuSE model is that releases of OpenSuSE can be more cutting edge
where releases of SLES and SLED are stable built on the experience
learned from OpenSuSE.  Just a different way of doing the same thing.

--  


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all the desktops here ran Windows. Now, more than half our desktop  
machines are deployed with SLED 10 SP1 or Mac OS X (and VMWare  
Fusion). This coincides with one production installation of SLES and  
five development build servers running SLES. I've only recently  
installed openSUSE 10.3 on my workstation just to test the latest  
features for use with our software in knowing that it will eventually  
trickle down into the Suse Enterprise versions. My first project was  
to port a large commercial app to SLES 9 on POWER! ;-) If you want  
LTS go for SLED or SLES.


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RE: [opensuse] pdftk

2008-01-16 Thread not disclosed

 
 PDFTK 1.41 is in SUSE since August 2007.
 
Ah - you are right - problem at my end is the machine I installed it on is one 
of the few remaining 10.2 machines in the lab and I didn't notice...
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Re: [opensuse] opensuse 10.3 update list

2008-01-16 Thread Alexandr Malusek
On Tuesday 15 January 2008 20:49, Coach-X wrote:
 Is there anything like this available for opensuse 10.3?

 http://www.novell.com/linux/download/updates/102_i386.html

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/ is similar.

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[opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

2008-01-16 Thread James Knott
Is there any difference between the SUSE versions of Seamonkey,
Thunderbird etc., and those provided directly by Mozilla?

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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

2008-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Rosenauer

James Knott wrote:

Is there any difference between the SUSE versions of Seamonkey,
Thunderbird etc., and those provided directly by Mozilla?


Yes. Some added features for integration purposes.
Firefox 2.0.0.11 counts 30 patches. The others (TB, SM) have less.
Do you need details?

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Re: [opensuse] Java plugin for Firefox?

2008-01-16 Thread Carlos F Lange
On Wed January 16 2008 09:30, you wrote:
 On 16/01/2008, Marcin Floryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just moved your article here:

 http://en.opensuse.org/How_To_use_Java_with_Firefox_on_64-bit_openSuS
E_10.3

 It should be best integrated with
 http://en.opensuse.org/User:Waveclaw as well so there is one uniform
 article with relevant title.

Thanks, Marcin.
I didn't know how to create a new article and I only found Waveclaw's 
after some digging, so I appreciate your help.

I will edit the How-To and unify it better.

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Re: [opensuse] XGL, OSS and NON-OSS repositories down?

2008-01-16 Thread Ken Schneider
Shawn Protsman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
 On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Ken Schneider wrote:
 
 Shawn Protsman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
 My online update applet show that I have updates available. When I run
 it through its paces it finished but still says there are updates
 available. Tried zypper instead and get this output:


 As reported here repeatedly, the main server for opensuse.org crashed.
 Or don't you read any email posted here?
 
 Ken,
 
 Thanks for the info, but the sarcasm isn't necessary. I just signed up
 on this list so obviously there are many posts I have not seen. I looked
 through a few of the archives and didn't see anything so I decided to
 post a message asking what's up?. Is that okay with you? I recently
 switched my office workstation from SLED 10 SP1 to openSUSE 10.3 to do
 some build testing and figured it would be a good idea to jump on the list.
 
 --Shawn

My apologies, but after seeing the same post numerous times in a short
period of time with the same answer it sometimes makes one wonder if
some people do read the emails posted here or not.

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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

2008-01-16 Thread James Knott
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
 James Knott wrote:
 Is there any difference between the SUSE versions of Seamonkey,
 Thunderbird etc., and those provided directly by Mozilla?

 Yes. Some added features for integration purposes.
 Firefox 2.0.0.11 counts 30 patches. The others (TB, SM) have less.
 Do you need details?

 Wolfgang

No, I was just curious.  Every now and then, I get a pop up saying
there's an update and asking if I want to get it.  If there was no
difference, I'd go for it, but I might as well wait for the official
SUSE update.

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Re: [opensuse] XGL, OSS and NON-OSS repositories down?

2008-01-16 Thread David C. Rankin

Shawn Protsman wrote:

On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Ken Schneider wrote:


Shawn Protsman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

My online update applet show that I have updates available. When I run
it through its paces it finished but still says there are updates
available. Tried zypper instead and get this output:



As reported here repeatedly, the main server for opensuse.org crashed.
Or don't you read any email posted here?


Ken,

Thanks for the info, but the sarcasm isn't necessary. I just signed up 
on this list so obviously there are many posts I have not seen. I looked 
through a few of the archives and didn't see anything so I decided to 
post a message asking what's up?. Is that okay with you? I recently 
switched my office workstation from SLED 10 SP1 to openSUSE 10.3 to do 
some build testing and figured it would be a good idea to jump on the list.


--Shawn


Shawn,

	Welcome aboard, this list is a great list with a lot of great people 
that are willing to help. Ken is one of them and one of the old timers. 
Don't mind the occasional rhetorical response from him, he's just 
getting crotchety in his old age...


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[opensuse] Graphical representation of directory

2008-01-16 Thread Carl Spitzer
How do I get a graphical representation of the directorys
of /home/user  I have a fifteen gig partition and cant figure out what
is taking up so much space.

CWSIV 

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Re: [opensuse] Graphical representation of directory

2008-01-16 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 12:13:52PM -0800, Carl Spitzer wrote:
 How do I get a graphical representation of the directorys
 of /home/user  I have a fifteen gig partition and cant figure out what
 is taking up so much space.

kdirstat  has a size based view. :)

ciao, Marcus
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RE: [opensuse] Graphical representation of directory

2008-01-16 Thread James D. Parra
-Original Message-
From: Carl Spitzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:14 PM
To: Suse-E
Subject: [opensuse] Graphical representation of directory


How do I get a graphical representation of the directorys
of /home/user  I have a fifteen gig partition and cant figure out what
is taking up so much space.

CWSIV 
~~

Hello Carl,

Run this command in the /home dir;

# du -cks * |sort -rn |head -11


The results will show the 10 largest dir's under /home.

~James
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[opensuse] Debug IOWAIT

2008-01-16 Thread gceruti
HI all

Some debug suggestions please, 
Running OpenSuse 10.3, I have noticed at boot time and Firefox startup time 
that the PC seems to be slow, looking at xosview , System Monitor and if I 
read top / mpstat correctly a large amount of time is been spent in iowait.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ iostat ALL
Linux 2.6.22.5-31-default (linux)   01/16/2008

avg-cpu:  %user   %nice %system %iowait  %steal   %idle
   10.91   0.145.5483.080.00   0.32
**
linux:/home/gc # mpstat
Linux 2.6.22.5-31-default (linux)   01/16/2008

CPU   %user   %nice%sys %iowait%irq   %soft  %steal   
 all13.650.07   3.63   19.63   0.050.120.00 

What tools can I use to isolate the issue , any good books I can download or 
buy ?.

Thanks Gerard
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Re: [opensuse] Problems with KDE-4.0

2008-01-16 Thread John Layt
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Frank Fiene wrote:
 I've installed version 4.0 from

 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4/openSUSE_10.3/

 but main programs don't work.

 So there is no Kmail, kopete has no services, i cannot scan my music
 files with amarok on a network drive. Amarok has no mysql support and
 so on and so on!

 Many problems, also i cannot change my kicker setup, there is only this
 ugly taskbar with this big icons. Icons on desktop are not aligned.

 Any other?

KMail 4 (and all the PIM module apps) will not be released until 4.1, carry on 
using KMail 3 instead.

Amarok 4 is not even part of the main KDE project and have their own release 
schedule, Amarok 2 is still at least 3 to 6 months away.  Continue using 
Amarok 1 instead.

Kopete, dunno, works fine for me with most services available (there, I said 
it).  Kopete developers have stated this is jut a quick port with full new 
version coming in 4.1.

Kicker is not kicker anymore, its Plasma, and it has been widely advertised 
that the config toolbox is not ready for it yet, expect it in 4.0.1 or 4.0.2.

All officially released apps are working fine for me (there, said it again).  
The apps and the libraries are in great shape, the desktop just needs a 
little more polish.  This has all been widely advertised that 4.0 would not 
bee feature equivalent to 3.5.8, if you can't cope with a 0.0 release then 
stick with the stable 3 branch.

John.

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Re: [opensuse] firefox crashes with yahoo maps

2008-01-16 Thread Joe Sloan
Mark Goldstein wrote:
 On Jan 16, 2008 12:12 AM, Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
  opensuse 10.3 32bit +KDE 3.5.8, firefox 2.0.0.11 from the repository. It
  crashes when using maps.yahoo.com to get directions - any directions.

  If I put only single addresses, it displays them ok, but if I put 2
  addresses and try to get directions, it crashes firefox with this message:

  firefox-bin: cairo-pen.c:324: _cairo_pen_find_active_cw_vertex_index:
  Assertion `i  pen-num_vertices' failed.
  /usr/bin/firefox: line 208:  7699 Aborted $MOZ_PROGRAM $@

  Is it only me, or someone else also sees the problem?

Works perfectly for me - but I'm using firefox 3.0b2

Suse 10.3, 32 bit.

Joe
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Re: [opensuse] firefox crashes with yahoo maps

2008-01-16 Thread Joe Sloan
Darragh O'Heiligh wrote:
 On 16/01/2008 at 08:43:31, in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Goldstein
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Jan 16, 2008 9:56 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark Goldstein wrote:
 On Jan 16, 2008 12:12 AM, Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  opensuse 10.3 32bit +KDE 3.5.8, firefox 2.0.0.11 from the repository. It
  crashes when using maps.yahoo.com to get directions - any directions.

  If I put only single addresses, it displays them ok, but if I put 2
  addresses and try to get directions, it crashes firefox with this 
 message:

  firefox-bin: cairo-pen.c:324: _cairo_pen_find_active_cw_vertex_index:
  Assertion `i  pen-num_vertices' failed.
  /usr/bin/firefox: line 208:  7699 Aborted $MOZ_PROGRAM 
 $@
 
 Have you ever tried this with the latest firefox at: 
 ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ 

No need to resort to a rough tarball, there's a carefully prepared suse
firefox 3.0b2 package in the repo, and it works well for me.

Joe
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Re: [opensuse] Slow spamd/spamc

2008-01-16 Thread David C. Rankin

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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El 2008-01-16 a las 00:58 -0600, David C. Rankin escribió:


Carlos E. R. wrote:



 but according to that, I should get 4 (or 5) children... so I must be
 missing something. My idea is that if could get more emails to be
 processed simultaneously (while one waits another is scanned) then
 throughput would be faster.



If you are using fetchmail to authenticate against a self-signed 
certificate with UW imap, check /var/log/messages for imapd PAM errors.



grep PAM /var/log/messages


I just hit upon another bug... my grep is not case sensitive, so PAM 
matches spamd :-(


But I don't think I have that problem. I see the self signed certificate 
error, but on a pop3 account, not imap:


Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: POP3 STLS
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: POP3 +OK Begin TLS 
negotiation now.
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: Issuer Organization: Dovecot 
mail server
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: Issuer CommonName: 
debian.tiscali.red
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: Server CommonName: 
debian.tiscali.red
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: Server CommonName mismatch: 
debian.tiscali.red != pop.tiscali.es
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: pop.tiscali.es key 
fingerprint: ED:60:1F:...
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: Server certificate 
verification error: self signed certificate

Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: POP3 CAPA
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: POP3 +OK
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: POP3 CAPA
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: POP3 TOP
Jan 15 01:56:13 nimrodel fetchmail[5698]: POP3 UIDL
...

And this a mailbox I seldom check.

Another bug: less is very slow when told to search for self signed 
certificate. Weird. Very weird.



should answer your question. I have a bug open. If you are 
experiencing the imapd PAM errors you will be up 1-2 days and then the 
kernel will begin to die. This happens slowly and the mail response 
gets slower, and slower.



Also check for stale mailbox locks in the users Mail dirs.


What I have is a lazy kernel: it is prone to go to sleep if I'm not 
typing at the keyboard. Everything stops, the clock, gkrelmn, daemons... 
I have to keep my router pinging my machine to keep it fully awake (the 
network packets generate an interrupt, so the kernel awakes):


  https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350980


I also have problems with the clock:

  https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350981


which also caused problems with spamd childs becoming unkillable zombies:

  https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347200


It is not a happy kernel for me, this one of 10.3. I have bugzillas all 
over the place!


-- Saludos
   Carlos E.R.



Carlos,

	Take a look at these two other very related bugs. They may help.  I 
have been fighting the self-signed certificate battle with imap and 
spamassassin for several days now. It has some very scary consequences. See:


spamassassin sa-learn causing kernel errors

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=353252

ipop3d (imap package) produces PAM error on checking email

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=331683


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Re: [opensuse] Graphical representation of directory

2008-01-16 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Onsdag 16 januar 2008 21:20 skrev James D. Parra:
 -Original Message-
 From: Carl Spitzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:14 PM
 To: Suse-E
 Subject: [opensuse] Graphical representation of directory


 How do I get a graphical representation of the directorys
 of /home/user  I have a fifteen gig partition and cant figure out what
 is taking up so much space.

 CWSIV
 ~~

 Hello Carl,

 Run this command in the /home dir;

 # du -cks * |sort -rn |head -11


 The results will show the 10 largest dir's under /home.

 ~James

Hi list,

also see: http://www.methylblue.com/filelight/



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[opensuse] xinet.conf configuration preference, question...

2008-01-16 Thread Linda Walsh

I'm looking at (and have been resisting the change) in xinet.conf two
different ways of doing its configuration.

The can be summed up (using neutral terms) as Way-A (WA) and Way-B
(WB) and Way-C.

In WA, we have something like:

local WA setup for xinet
list of all xinet services specifying disabled or enabled
then list of all services in config file to specify params
   for WA services

WB:
local WB xetup for xinet
include subdir with separate files, specifying on/off
   and config for each for each service

WC:
local WB setup for xinet
list of all xinet services specifying disabled or enabled
include subdir with separate config options for each
   service

Advantages/Disadvantages (that I see).
Method WA: everything together in 1 file so admin can see
all services in 1 place.  At a glance, a human can see what
is enabled vs. not.  File len = ~300 lines (relatively short).
Dis: updating a service requires updating the base file.

Method WB: each service in separate file allowing services
to be inserted or extracted without any change to the base file.
The config file can be included with the installed service -- ease
of packaging and installation/removal.
Dis:  each service file must be examined to see if it is enabled
or not.  To disable or make changes, user mush cycle through 23
config files to edit or change all services.

Method WC: (split method): Top config includes common config, but
the enabled/disabled status is in the top level include, with
the included directory containing only the service related config
information.  This allows at a glance to see what services
are enabled or not, but parameters for each service are still in
separate files.  This allows 1-point view of enabled services, but
puts all the config information separate that can be included in
each installed packages' rpm.
Dis: if a service installs itself and wants to enable itself as
it is being installed, it must edit the top-level include.

Each has advantages/disadvantages: Method WA is convenient for
user to edit.  Method WB is convenient for install scripts to
add/remove services and automatically turn on-or-off at the
as the installation file specifies.  And WC, provides user
with 1 glance for enabled services, but still requieres separate
editing to set params.  Install is as straight-forward as WB,
unless install/remote service should toggle it on or off in
master-service enable list.  Even there, the top level include
can be altered to automatically enable or disable upon installation.

Method WA is most like the old inetd.conf in that all services
and their control are in one file, but WB is easiest for the
automated install scripts.  WC still allows user to view all
enabled or disabled services in 1 file, but has advantage that
updating or adding service doesn't change run-params of any other
service (though if auto-enable/disable still require editing the
main file).

Without basing your opinion on what just happens to already be
in place (that's cheating! :-)), which of the 3 ways do people
prefer?  All-in-one, split/service (23 extra files in my config), or
all-control-in-one file with params being split/service.

Comments?
Preferences?
FWIW, I believe both WA and WB have been done, but I don't know
if WC has been tried.

Thanks,
-Linda

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Re: [opensuse] firefox crashes with yahoo maps

2008-01-16 Thread Sunny
On Jan 16, 2008 2:44 PM, Joe Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No need to resort to a rough tarball, there's a carefully prepared suse
 firefox 3.0b2 package in the repo, and it works well for me.


That's very good, I will try it later.

The strange thing is, that according to this bug case:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=354103

the problem is with opensuse's version of firefox, as it uses
different gecko engine, than the build from mozilla. If this is true,
than the suse build of 3.0 should fail as well.


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Re: [opensuse] xinet.conf configuration preference, question...

2008-01-16 Thread Jim Cunning
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 13:28:20 Linda Walsh wrote:
 I'm looking at (and have been resisting the change) in xinet.conf two
 different ways of doing its configuration.

 The can be summed up (using neutral terms) as Way-A (WA) and Way-B
 (WB) and Way-C.

 In WA, we have something like:

 local WA setup for xinet
 list of all xinet services specifying disabled or enabled
 then list of all services in config file to specify params
 for WA services

 WB:
 local WB xetup for xinet
 include subdir with separate files, specifying on/off
 and config for each for each service

 WC:
 local WB setup for xinet
 list of all xinet services specifying disabled or enabled
 include subdir with separate config options for each
 service
[...snip...]
 Without basing your opinion on what just happens to already be
 in place (that's cheating! :-)), which of the 3 ways do people
 prefer?  All-in-one, split/service (23 extra files in my config), or
 all-control-in-one file with params being split/service.

 Comments?
 Preferences?
 FWIW, I believe both WA and WB have been done, but I don't know
 if WC has been tried.

I prefer WB, but with the following difference:  Instead of using 
include subdir with separate lines for each service, use
includedir subdir in a single line, with separate files in subdir for 
each service.

This way, 1) the /etc/xinetd.conf never needs to change unless a global config 
option changes, 2) a directory listing of subdir clearly shows the services 
that are configured, and 3) examining a single service option file shows only 
the configuration for that service.

Enabling/disabling a service is simple--add or delete its config file in 
subdir and have xinetd reload its config.

Jim
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Re: [opensuse] XGL, OSS and NON-OSS repositories down?

2008-01-16 Thread Ken Schneider
David C. Rankin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
 Shawn Protsman wrote:
 On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Ken Schneider wrote:

 Shawn Protsman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
 My online update applet show that I have updates available. When I run
 it through its paces it finished but still says there are updates
 available. Tried zypper instead and get this output:


 As reported here repeatedly, the main server for opensuse.org crashed.
 Or don't you read any email posted here?

 Ken,

 Thanks for the info, but the sarcasm isn't necessary. I just signed up
 on this list so obviously there are many posts I have not seen. I
 looked through a few of the archives and didn't see anything so I
 decided to post a message asking what's up?. Is that okay with you?
 I recently switched my office workstation from SLED 10 SP1 to openSUSE
 10.3 to do some build testing and figured it would be a good idea to
 jump on the list.

 --Shawn
 
 Shawn,
 
 Welcome aboard, this list is a great list with a lot of great people
 that are willing to help. Ken is one of them and one of the old timers.
 Don't mind the occasional rhetorical response from him, he's just
 getting crotchety in his old age...
 

Ya got that right :-)   and I reserve the right to get even more
crotchety as I get older and more senile.

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Re: [opensuse] firefox crashes with yahoo maps

2008-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Rosenauer

Sunny schrieb:

On Jan 16, 2008 2:44 PM, Joe Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No need to resort to a rough tarball, there's a carefully prepared suse
firefox 3.0b2 package in the repo, and it works well for me.



That's very good, I will try it later.

The strange thing is, that according to this bug case:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=354103

the problem is with opensuse's version of firefox, as it uses
different gecko engine, than the build from mozilla. If this is true,
than the suse build of 3.0 should fail as well.


It's just using the system supplied cairo instead of its own not a 
different gecko engine ;-)


And the Firefox 3.0 build doesn't fail because that one is using the 
builtin cairo version since the system one it too old.


Wolfgang
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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

2008-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Rosenauer

James Knott schrieb:

Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

James Knott wrote:

Is there any difference between the SUSE versions of Seamonkey,
Thunderbird etc., and those provided directly by Mozilla?

Yes. Some added features for integration purposes.
Firefox 2.0.0.11 counts 30 patches. The others (TB, SM) have less.
Do you need details?



No, I was just curious.  Every now and then, I get a pop up saying
there's an update and asking if I want to get it.  If there was no
difference, I'd go for it, but I might as well wait for the official
SUSE update.


Now I'm curious. What kind of popup do you get saying there is an update?
The openSUSE RPMs shouldn't notify about any updates itself. It's done 
by the package management. So if you actually get these something is 
strange and you are probably not running an openSUSE version.


Wolfgang
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Re: [opensuse] firefox crashes with yahoo maps

2008-01-16 Thread Sunny
On Jan 16, 2008 4:11 PM, Wolfgang Rosenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's just using the system supplied cairo instead of its own not a
 different gecko engine ;-)

 And the Firefox 3.0 build doesn't fail because that one is using the
 builtin cairo version since the system one it too old.

 Wolfgang


Wolfgang,
thanks for all the help and the efforts to provide the mozilla packages.

Now, what is your advice - should I wait for fix for 2.0.x, or it is
better to run beta 3.0?

Cheers

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Re: [opensuse] firefox crashes with yahoo maps

2008-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Rosenauer

Sunny schrieb:

On Jan 16, 2008 4:11 PM, Wolfgang Rosenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's just using the system supplied cairo instead of its own not a
different gecko engine ;-)

And the Firefox 3.0 build doesn't fail because that one is using the
builtin cairo version since the system one it too old.


Wolfgang,
thanks for all the help and the efforts to provide the mozilla packages.

Now, what is your advice - should I wait for fix for 2.0.x, or it is
better to run beta 3.0?


The 3.0b2 version runs pretty good for me.
If you don't need extensions, you should be able to use it but most 
extensions are not compatible yet.

I'm still trying to find someone who knows a bit about cairo for FF2.0

Wolfgang
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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

2008-01-16 Thread James Knott
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
 James Knott schrieb:
 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
 James Knott wrote:
 Is there any difference between the SUSE versions of Seamonkey,
 Thunderbird etc., and those provided directly by Mozilla?
 Yes. Some added features for integration purposes.
 Firefox 2.0.0.11 counts 30 patches. The others (TB, SM) have less.
 Do you need details?


 No, I was just curious.  Every now and then, I get a pop up saying
 there's an update and asking if I want to get it.  If there was no
 difference, I'd go for it, but I might as well wait for the official
 SUSE update.

 Now I'm curious. What kind of popup do you get saying there is an update?
 The openSUSE RPMs shouldn't notify about any updates itself. It's done
 by the package management. So if you actually get these something is
 strange and you are probably not running an openSUSE version.


I thought I installed the SUSE version, but could be wrong.  Is there
any way to tell?


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[opensuse] Permissions and Catch-22

2008-01-16 Thread Stan Goodman
There are two partitions in my OS/2 installation that I wish to have available
to Linux as well; they are formatted with JFS (OS/2 implementation, of course).
I had no difficulty in doing this in openSuSE v10.2, but I am having a knotty
problem with it now, in v10.3.

In fstab, each of these partitions is mounted to its own subdirectory of /mnt.
When I use a terminal in either subdirectory (whether as root or user) to get a
directory of either partition, the answer is that the partition is empty. This
was a nasty surprise, especially becauser the lines in fstab look all right to
me.

To try to get a handle on what is happening, I entered My Computer, and saw
that the two partitions do appear in the right hand column, complete with
correct sizes. Clicking on either one of them brought up a window populated
with all the folders, and these are filled with all the files that should be
there. Most of the folders are shown with padlocks, of course; a few are not,
and I don't understand this either.

Obviously, I can't do anything with the great majority of the folders and
files. But I could, if only I could do some chmod commands in the terminal. But
I can't use the terminal, because it sees nothing. Catch-22.

I would be grateful for some insight into this, so I can access the files.
Again, I had nothing of the sort in v10.2.

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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

2008-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Rosenauer

James Knott schrieb:

Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

No, I was just curious.  Every now and then, I get a pop up saying
there's an update and asking if I want to get it.  If there was no
difference, I'd go for it, but I might as well wait for the official
SUSE update.

Now I'm curious. What kind of popup do you get saying there is an update?
The openSUSE RPMs shouldn't notify about any updates itself. It's done
by the package management. So if you actually get these something is
strange and you are probably not running an openSUSE version.



I thought I installed the SUSE version, but could be wrong.  Is there
any way to tell?


Help - About tells you the user agent string. It would contain SUSE in 
case it's actually from SUSE.


Wolfgang

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Re: FW: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2008-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Woehl
Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2008 Kevin Dupuy:

 File
 A
 Bug.

Or chat with them on irc.gnome.org #dashboard. Helpful people really.
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Re: [opensuse] libglx.so: undefined symbol: _nv000069gl

2008-01-16 Thread David Ross

I had a similar problem after updating the nvidia driver using the
opensuse repos instead of using a driver downloaded directly from
nvidia.com which is what I normally use. It appears they install their
files in different locations and I ended up with two conflicting copies
of libglx.

I fixed the problem by using the nvidia version as it does a check for
duplicate files as part of the install.

D.
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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

2008-01-16 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/01/16 12:37 (GMT-0500) James Knott apparently typed:

 Is there any difference between the SUSE versions of Seamonkey,
 Thunderbird etc., and those provided directly by Mozilla?

The official versions require libstdc++5, which has been in SUSE as legacy
support for a whole bunch of release versions. There's been talk on moznet
for years of switching to a newer version, but the devs there feel the
distros are using the latest in their native packages, while maintaining
compatability for users of support orphan distros remains nicely served by
building theirs with an older compiler. Plus there's the latency issue of the
mozilla.org tinderbox build servers getting old and still running on old
distros with old compilers. Upgrading distros on them not only requires an
investment of resources, it muddies the performance statistics on the tests
they constantly run to detect performance changes if they change the 
environment.
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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

2008-01-16 Thread James Knott
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
 James Knott schrieb:
 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
 No, I was just curious.  Every now and then, I get a pop up saying
 there's an update and asking if I want to get it.  If there was no
 difference, I'd go for it, but I might as well wait for the official
 SUSE update.
 Now I'm curious. What kind of popup do you get saying there is an
 update?
 The openSUSE RPMs shouldn't notify about any updates itself. It's done
 by the package management. So if you actually get these something is
 strange and you are probably not running an openSUSE version.


 I thought I installed the SUSE version, but could be wrong.  Is there
 any way to tell?

 Help - About tells you the user agent string. It would contain SUSE
 in case it's actually from SUSE.

 Wolfgang

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.8.1.11)
Gecko/20070803 SUSE/1.1.7-0.1 SeaMonkey/1.1.7

It sure looks like it says SUSE.  I'll have to capture the text, next
time I see one of those messages.


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[opensuse] Disable KSnapshot-Print Screen connection

2008-01-16 Thread Jonathan Wilson
Hello,

I have a user running KDE on openSuSE 10.3 who needs the print screen button  
NOT do anything when pressed. Right now it brings up KSnapshot. I've looked 
all over in the KDE Control Center, both with the search and Can't find 
anything about it. Oddly enough I do find Alt+Print and Ctrl+Print in the 
keybindings list and they don't seem to do anything. But I can't find the 
place where Print Screen is mapped to KSnapshopt.

If I search for ksnapshot in the help-center search it does lead me to the 
Keyboard Shortcuts screen but I've looked all through it and can't find it.

Is this a SuSE-specific setting or a general KDE one?

Thanks,

JW


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Re: [opensuse] Permissions and Catch-22

2008-01-16 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 14:49, Stan Goodman wrote:
 ...

 Obviously, I can't do anything with the great majority of the folders
 and files. But I could, if only I could do some chmod commands in the
 terminal. But I can't use the terminal, because it sees nothing.
 Catch-22.

Sees nothing?

Ascertain where those volume are mounted, first:

% df
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
LABEL=Root10  35895684  15595092  20300592  44% /
tmpfs  1036540 0   1036540   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1293008588  91058060 201950528  32% /repo
/dev/sdb1 20962560  11337580   9624980  55% /root93
/dev/sdd1 11962304   6421116   5541188  54% /root91
/dev/sdd2 11961344   6690496   5270848  56% /home
/dev/sdd3 11961344   1242680  10718664  11% /dar

(I chose df instead of the more obvious mount simply because the 
output is easier to read, in my opinion.)

Presumably you'll recognize which of the file system shown there are the 
two you're concerned with. You can then cd there, chmod or chown (-R) 
to your hearts content (after becoming root, of course).


 I would be grateful for some insight into this, so I can access the
 files. Again, I had nothing of the sort in v10.2.

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Re: [opensuse] Disable KSnapshot-Print Screen connection

2008-01-16 Thread Benji Weber
On 16/01/2008, Jonathan Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If I search for ksnapshot in the help-center search it does lead me to the
 Keyboard Shortcuts screen but I've looked all through it and can't find it.

kcontrol - regional  accessibility - input actions - preset
actions - printscreen.

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Re: [opensuse] Slow spamd/spamc

2008-01-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Wednesday 2008-01-16 at 14:51 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

...


Carlos,

	Take a look at these two other very related bugs. They may help.  I 
have been fighting the self-signed certificate battle with imap and 
spamassassin for several days now. It has some very scary consequences. See:


spamassassin sa-learn causing kernel errors

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=353252

ipop3d (imap package) produces PAM error on checking email

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=331683



I grepped my entire log directory, and the only match for 
audit_log_acct_message was on Dec 21:


/var/log/warn:Dec 21 17:12:05 nimrodel imapd[19845]: PAM 
audit_log_acct_message() failed: Operation not permitted

when I was running imapd tests locally. [...] Ok, I re-did the test, and 
got the error now. I then run the apparmour wizard to see if there is a 
hit, but no luck.


Ie, I can reproduce your error, but it is not the problem I have with 
fetchmail, sorry.



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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

2008-01-16 Thread Patrick Shanahan
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* James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-16-08 18:36]:
 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.8.1.11)
 Gecko/20070803 SUSE/1.1.7-0.1 SeaMonkey/1.1.7
 
 It sure looks like it says SUSE.  I'll have to capture the text, next
 time I see one of those messages.

click   help - about mozilla firefox

you should see:  http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/firefox.suse.version.jpg

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Re: [opensuse] Mozilla package differences?

2008-01-16 Thread James Knott
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-16-08 18:36]:
  Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.8.1.11)
  Gecko/20070803 SUSE/1.1.7-0.1 SeaMonkey/1.1.7

  It sure looks like it says SUSE.  I'll have to capture the text, next
  time I see one of those messages.

 click   help - about mozilla firefox

 you should see:  http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/firefox.suse.version.jpg

Both Seamonkey and Firefox show SUSE.  So, the question becomes why am I
seeing those update notices?

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Re: [opensuse] XGL, OSS and NON-OSS repositories down?

2008-01-16 Thread Fred A. Miller
Ken Schneider wrote:

[snip]

 Welcome aboard, this list is a great list with a lot of great people
 that are willing to help. Ken is one of them and one of the old timers.
 Don't mind the occasional rhetorical response from him, he's just
 getting crotchety in his old age...

 
 Ya got that right :-)   and I reserve the right to get even more
 crotchety as I get older and more senile.

You and Patrick. :) Someone should archive the above. ;)

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Re: [opensuse] XGL, OSS and NON-OSS repositories down?

2008-01-16 Thread Patrick Shanahan
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* Fred Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-16-08 20:05]:
 Ken Schneider wrote:
 
 [snip]
 
  Welcome aboard, this list is a great list with a lot of great people
  that are willing to help. Ken is one of them and one of the old timers.
  Don't mind the occasional rhetorical response from him, he's just
  getting crotchety in his old age...
 
  
  Ya got that right :-)   and I reserve the right to get even more
  crotchety as I get older and more senile.
 
 You and Patrick. :) Someone should archive the above. ;)

I resemble that remark  :^), but you must remember that while age is a
factor, 43 years of marriage is a determinant.

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Re: [opensuse] laptop headphones

2008-01-16 Thread frank

 On Saturday 12 January 2008 17:58:29 Marc Chamberlin wrote:
   
 Hi -  Well it seems that, on my fancy dancy HP Pavilion laptop, some
 braindead engineer decided it was a good idea to replace/upgrade the
 good old fashioned style (tried and true) of audio headphone jacks with
 something that requires software to use it.  . . . As you (poor reader) can
 probably surmise I just discovered this wonderful feature about my
 laptop because when I plug in my headphones under Windows they work, but
 under SuSE 10.2 it does not.
 How do I get my headphones to work under SuSE 10.2 so I can listen to
 music played via Amorak at work (without getting shot by my co-workers
 because they may NOT happen to like my particular tastes)?  . . .   
Thanks Aaron, Martin, and Richie for your replies...  After a lot of 
searching and using your suggestions I did find a solution. I set my 
source repositories to fetch the latest KDE software and also the latest 
audio software from the OpenSuSE site and upgraded everything to the 
latest bleeding edge stuff.. That got my headphone jack working though I 
do not have any way to select or control the headphone in KMix yet... 
But at least it works and I can live with it, though my opinion of 
software controlled headphone jacks remains somewhat lower than a toilet 
seat!

Wandering around now in the headphones alternate realities   Marc...


  
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Hi Marc,

I have not had time to look back through the history of this thread so if this 
has been brought up before, forgive me. But I thought I would mention that I 
had the same problem with my HP Pavilion dv9000t when I had openSUSE 10.2 on 
it. I never was able to resolve the problem, however, when I upgraded (new 
install) to 10.3 it just worked! In fact everything just worked - I even have 
the controls in kmix! I literally had no issues to fiddle with -- even my web 
cam worked with skype without a hitch.

Frank
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