Re: [opensuse-factory] Dummy Updates for Yast YOU

[Frank-Michael Fischer]

Keith Goggin schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> 1.I've added  to
>   opensuseupdater in both 10.2b2 and 10.2RC1.
>
>   In 10.2b2 opensuseupdater shows 7 patches available.
>
>   In 10.2RC1 opensuseupdater shows none?
>
> 2.What happened to the dummy update I asked for back in September?
>
> 3.So far I've not seen any suggestion of how we might test Yast YOU /
>   opensuseupdater / Zen. Bearing in mind that "system updating" was the 
> single
>   biggest failure in SUSE10.1, I am more than a little puzzled that 
> nothing
>   seems to have been done. 
I don't know what happened, but I got dummy update suggestions right
after installation. And I've already installed four proposed real
updates, three of them from openSUSE, one from madwifi. Works just fine.
Still I am running into bug 217326 on my RC1.
FMF
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[opensuse-factory] Dummy Updates for Yast YOU

[Keith Goggin]

Hi,

1.  I've added  to
opensuseupdater in both 10.2b2 and 10.2RC1.

In 10.2b2 opensuseupdater shows 7 patches available.

In 10.2RC1 opensuseupdater shows none?

2.  What happened to the dummy update I asked for back in September?

3.  So far I've not seen any suggestion of how we might test Yast YOU /
opensuseupdater / Zen. Bearing in mind that "system updating" was the 
single
biggest failure in SUSE10.1, I am more than a little puzzled that 
nothing
seems to have been done. 
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Re: [opensuse-factory] boot screen fun wiht RC1

[Jens Herden]

> > 3. I could not find a way to add boot parameter anymore. Was this
> > removed? I usually add a vga=0x305 because the installer is not detecting
> > my screen.
>
> You sure can. Never seen it missing.

I for sure can't. I started to install RC1 in vmware and now I can see the 
whole beauty of this winter bootscreen. Here I can indeed change the boot 
parameter. But my notebook does not show the whole bootscreen, I only see the 
menu in the center but not the animations at the left and bottom and not the 
input line for the parameter. 
This did work with beta2!


> > 4. After the installation the language menu is broken. I have installed
> > openSuse in English only and I was expecting a menu entry "English" but I
> > got "en".
>
> Looks like a bug.
>
> > I any of this worse a bug report?
>
> Sure.

I will write reports...


Jens
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Volker Kuhlmann]

> > This is a missing functionality in vsftpd in the first place, of course,
> > but setting up vsftpd is still a *lot* easier + faster than doing the
> > same with apache.
> 
> Yes and no.
> Alias directives in Apache are pretty easy to set up ;)

You might find it easy, but vsftpd is still 10x easier. And before you
can put an alias, you have to set up the whole damn lot. Not my choice
for when I "just want".

> Running FTP on non-standard ports isn't a very good idea though - IMHO.

Entirely depends on what you want it for. On the LAN anything goes.

> > It's not so difficult to support this via init.d runlevel script, and
> > I'm thinking of implementing it.
> 
> How would you do that with vsftpd ?

One process per port and directory to serve, with editing a file in
/etc/sysconfig/ being the most required to set it going by
init.d/vsftpd. Minimum data required would be ftp root directory,
optional port number, optional config file (default /etc/vsftpd.conf).

> mount --bind is an option (too bad hard links don't work across
> partitions,

You'd have to hardlink a directory! Even if the filesystem supports it
(which do?), mount --bind might be the better option.

Volker

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Volker Kuhlmann]

> > Your problem is to have a /boot partition altogether. They haven't been
> > needed in many years. If you decide to make a /boot anyway and make it
> > only 15M, it's your own fault. ;)
> 
> That's not completely true, they are needed with older hardware.

I doubt that. My oldest hardware is 97/98 and it doesn't need it. Those
boxes (of mine) have 64MB RAM max, SUSE doesn't even install on that any
more since 10.0(?).

Question: how many systems out there which have 128MB RAM need a
separate /boot partition?

My answer is very few, if any.

Volker

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[opensuse-factory] fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006) in 10.2b2 & 10.2RC1

[Keith Goggin]

Hi,

I've been in the habit of mounting all my partitions at boot time and have 
noticed (since openSUSE10.2b2) that the new version of fsck which is run 
against mounted linux partitions other than (/ and swap) does not like pre 
openSUSE10.2b2 ReiserFS partitions.

I don't know if this is a bug but it is a nuisance in dual/multi boot 
situations.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner..

[Mauro Parra]

Hallo,

On 11/25/06, Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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> The partitioners we have are inferior, you have to admit that.

Inferior to what ?
Not to any Linux distribution I know of.



See Mandrake installer. The partition tool is totally sweet. Sometimes I
still carry one disk 1 of mandrake, just to manipulate the disk's
partitions.

As I told M9 in other mail, there is some nice tools outside. Still, would
be nice to have it on suse. ;)

-M

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Saturday 2006-11-25 at 20:15 +0100, Robby (M9.) wrote:

> This is needed indeed, the available partioning features are 'antique',
> and not realy usable during use, only when all is 'clean'.

I have used many times the Yast partitioning module on a live system.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Sunday 2006-11-26 at 08:49 +1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

> Your problem is to have a /boot partition altogether. They haven't been
> needed in many years. If you decide to make a /boot anyway and make it
> only 15M, it's your own fault. ;)

That's not completely true, they are needed with older hardware.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Pascal Bleser]

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Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
>>> What I would really like is some quick and easy way to create multiple
>>> "document roots" with vsftpd, even if it means cranking up multiple
>>> instances of it.
> 
> This is a missing functionality in vsftpd in the first place, of course,
> but setting up vsftpd is still a *lot* easier + faster than doing the
> same with apache.

Yes and no.
Alias directives in Apache are pretty easy to set up ;)
(granted, mod_rewrite is voodoo)

>> You can't.
>> And you can't do name-based virtual hosting with FTP, only IP based
>> virtual hosting.
> 
> Yes I can do. Open your mind ;)
> 
> It is easy to run one vfstpd per port, on the same IP address. Which is
> about the same as running one per IP address on the same port as far as
> "virtual hosting" (haha) is concerned. My interest isn't in virtual
> hosts anyway, but in directory mapping:

Aaah, ok. Sorry, my bad. I implied vhosting.

Running FTP on non-standard ports isn't a very good idea though - IMHO.

>   /usr/dir1/  -> ftp://../dir1/
>   /data/suse/   -> ftp://../suse/
>   /disk/big/  -> ftp://../big/

Ok. Yeah, that sucks with all FTP daemons except ProFTPd.
AFAICR, ProFTPd has directory mapping configuration directives, pretty
much like Apache's aliases. OTOH, the use of ProFTPd isn't really
encouraged -- vsftpd has a much better security record.
Didn't check pure-ftpd recently.

- From what I've tried to do with it, vsftpd is not very flexible wrt
directory mapping. One base directory for anonymous, period.

> It's not so difficult to support this via init.d runlevel script, and
> I'm thinking of implementing it.

How would you do that with vsftpd ?

> Alternatively I can arrange my disks to suit vsftpd, which I'm not going
> to do, or use mount --bind.

mount --bind is an option (too bad hard links don't work across
partitions, but mount --bind does pretty much the same, even though it's
limited to directories, but that's something everyone can live with, I
guess).

Sorry, I don't understand how you'd want to configure such directory
mappings with vsftpd (and without mount --bind) ... ?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] bcm43xxx *Sorry for that"

[Peter Buschbacher]

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[opensuse-factory] bcm43xxx on Asus A2D Laptop

[Peter Buschbacher]

Hello folks!
I´m just trying to find out how to get my Broadcom-WLAN on my Asus A2D Laptop 
working. As this is the first version with the bcm43xxx-module integrated in 
the kernel I have no experience in setting up wireless networks on Linux. So 
I asume I´m doing something wrong. 
What I did:
I updated today from a fresh beta2 to RC1 from a local directory (yum-repo).
I tried to setup the card in yast: 
-I choosed the networkmanager-method.
-e.g I chosed : "start at boot" instead of "start when cable is plugged in" 
which was the original state after installation.

then I tried to start the connection via Knetwormanager-applet.
From the other OS I know :
Authentfication:open
key: WEP

Result: The statusbar grows up to 28% (Status Gerätekonfiguration) and then 
stagnates.

What can I do? / What is the prefered Way to do this ?

I would really be happy if I can get some help to get this working

Peter Buschbacher

Following: 
some of the output of dmesg:
first part bootprocess, last part one try with knetworkmanager I think.


Linux version 2.6.18.2-23-default ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 4.1.2 
20061115 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP Tue Nov 21 12:59:21 UTC 2006

[...]

ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:0c.0[A] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> 
IRQ 10
bcm43xx: Chip ID 0x4306, rev 0x3
bcm43xx: Number of cores: 5
bcm43xx: Core 0: ID 0x800, rev 0x4, vendor 0x4243, enabled
bcm43xx: Core 1: ID 0x812, rev 0x5, vendor 0x4243, disabled
bcm43xx: Core 2: ID 0x80d, rev 0x2, vendor 0x4243, enabled
bcm43xx: Core 3: ID 0x807, rev 0x2, vendor 0x4243, disabled
bcm43xx: Core 4: ID 0x804, rev 0x9, vendor 0x4243, enabled
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Detected PHY: Version: 2, Type 2, Revision 2
bcm43xx: Detected Radio: ID: 2205017f (Manuf: 17f Ver: 2050 Rev: 2)
bcm43xx: Radio turned off
bcm43xx: Radio turned off
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] enabled at IRQ 15

[...]

bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
SoftMAC: Associate: Scanning for networks first.
SoftMAC: Associate: failed to initiate scan. Is device up?
bcm43xx: set security called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0
eth0: Media Link On 100mbps full-duplex 
NET: Registered protocol family 17
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
NET: Registered protocol family 4
ax25: module not supported by Novell, setting U taint flag.
NET: Registered protocol family 3
NET: Registered protocol family 5
SoftMAC: ASSERTION FAILED (0) at: 
net/ieee80211/softmac/ieee80211softmac_wx.c:306:ieee80211softmac_wx_get_rate()
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
SoftMAC: Canceling existing associate request!
SoftMAC: Associate: Scanning for networks first.
SoftMAC: Associate: failed to initiate scan. Is device up?
bcm43xx: set security called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
SoftMAC: ASSERTION FAILED (0) at: 
net/ieee80211/softmac/ieee80211softmac_wx.c:306:ieee80211softmac_wx_get_rate()
bcm43xx: PHY connected
bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load 
failed.
bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2)
bcm43xx: set security called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0
bcm43xx: set security called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0
bcm43xx: set security called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0
bcm43xx: set security called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0
SoftMAC: ASSERTION FAILED (0) at: 
net/ieee80211/softmac/ieee80211softmac_wx.c:306:ieee80

Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Volker Kuhlmann]

> > What I would really like is some quick and easy way to create multiple
> > "document roots" with vsftpd, even if it means cranking up multiple
> > instances of it.

This is a missing functionality in vsftpd in the first place, of course,
but setting up vsftpd is still a *lot* easier + faster than doing the
same with apache.

> You can't.
> And you can't do name-based virtual hosting with FTP, only IP based
> virtual hosting.

Yes I can do. Open your mind ;)

It is easy to run one vfstpd per port, on the same IP address. Which is
about the same as running one per IP address on the same port as far as
"virtual hosting" (haha) is concerned. My interest isn't in virtual
hosts anyway, but in directory mapping:

  /usr/dir1/-> ftp://../dir1/
  /data/suse/   -> ftp://../suse/
  /disk/big/-> ftp://../big/

It's not so difficult to support this via init.d runlevel script, and
I'm thinking of implementing it.

Alternatively I can arrange my disks to suit vsftpd, which I'm not going
to do, or use mount --bind.

Volker

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Test for Online Update (RC1)

[Juan Erbes]

2006/11/25, Marcel Hilzinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

opensuseupdater shows me no updates. What am I doing wrong?
--


The metadata from the packages are from Beta 1. But the packages are
from RC1 in
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/
The Yast online update show me that about 70% of the packages than I
have installed are a version newer than appear in the metadata (in
red), but mi installed packages are from beta 2.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner..

[Pascal Bleser]

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Robby (M9.) wrote:
> How to change the size of a partition, fi /home?
> Partitions can only resized if not mounted...

Depends.
They can be resized online when you're using LVM and reiserfs (or XFS,
but you can only grow XFS partitions, not shrink them).

> @volker:
> we seem to be part of the competition, since we are sold, but that
> doesn't matter..
> 
> The partitioners we have are inferior, you have to admit that.

Inferior to what ?
Not to any Linux distribution I know of.

> In this time, it is possible, to graphicly resize, move, delete or
> create partitions, and the real changes are made in between shut down
> and start-up.
> Why shouldn't this be possible for linux?

It is.

> Why should we, in this time, stil calculate, by hand, for half an hour,
> or an hour, to get it right, with all the risks to loose the data you do
> not want to loose?

huh? wtf are you doing ?

Just use LVM in the first place.

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[opensuse-factory] Partitioner..

[Robby (M9.)]

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How to change the size of a partition, fi /home?
Partitions can only resized if not mounted...

@volker:
we seem to be part of the competition, since we are sold, but that
doesn't matter..

The partitioners we have are inferior, you have to admit that.

In this time, it is possible, to graphicly resize, move, delete or
create partitions, and the real changes are made in between shut down
and start-up.
Why shouldn't this be possible for linux?
Why should we, in this time, stil calculate, by hand, for half an hour,
or an hour, to get it right, with all the risks to loose the data you do
not want to loose?

M9.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Robby (M9.)]

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Mauro Parra schreef:
> Hallo,
> 
> On 11/25/06, Robby (M9.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> As a matter of fact, i did, with kanotix, the debian installed knoppix,
>> Is it available for suse?
> 
> 
> The program is lying around, a small footprint livecd could be done if you
> want. But I don't see any reason to do it, since there is already working
> alternatives.

Such as?
> 
> In case of interest, much of the distro-cutted-down work is done in the
> microSuSE universe (which also targets i386):
> 
> http://en.opensuse.org/MicroSUSE
> 
> as another option there was a suse live evalution, I don't know if it's
> still uptodate, but could be easily updated and hacked to suit this need.
> 
> For more general advice on this, there is an article in lj about how to do
> your own livecd:
> 
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7233

Thnx for all the advice, but to remaster a live-cd just to use a
partitioner, is a little overdone..(might be nessesary in the future, if
 there is not going to be added a usefull one..)
I can not believe, that i am the only one, who thinks, that the
available partitioners do not work.
If you do not use LVM, you can not use it to make changes afterwards..
If you use LVM, you can not make changes afterwards...
If you use the partitioner from yast, which i do, you are not able to
throw away, and recreate partitions, simply because you can not see what
you are doing.You can only make partitions smaller, not move or resize a
usable way.. it is not praktical to count all the cylinders, because
than a simple transaction takes few hours, you have to calculate
everything
In this time, that would not be nessesary anymore.
I realy mean this.
Everybody who uses them, knows that it is true what i am saying, because
it is.
> 
> Best Regards,
> M
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Pascal Bleser]

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Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
>> As 10.2 release nears I think into future - 10.3 features - and I
>> would like to request massive updates in Yast - that is - new modules
>> that I would like to see:
>>
>> 1. Swap Manager (Yast GUI to manage swap files & partitions)
> 
> Swap partitions have to be handled by the partitioner. From (old)
> memory, swap files are inefficient and are best avoided. Just because
> the competition can't do better doesn't mean Linux must do it too. They
> can also be created with 2 easy commands. Ok, 3: dd, sync, swapon.
> 
>> 2. FTP Server (Yast GUI to manage vsFTPd)
> 
> What I would really like is some quick and easy way to create multiple
> "document roots" with vsftpd, even if it means cranking up multiple
> instances of it.

You can't.
And you can't do name-based virtual hosting with FTP, only IP based
virtual hosting.
If you can host different IPs, it's quite easy to do by running vsftpd
through xinetd (and a different config file for each + binding to each
IP using xinetd).

>> 3. SSH Server (Yast GUI to manage openssh)
> 
> Which configuration variables in /etc/ssh/sshd_config would you like
> yast to tweak?
> 
> I do think it's time SUSE disabled protocol 1 by default.
> 
>> 5. Sax3D (Yast/Sax GUI to manage XGL/AIGLX & Compiz for 3D Desktop Effects)
>>
>> Those modules are really *very* needed by the SUSE community.
> 
> Sorry, but 3D desktop gimmicks with high geek factor but zero practical
> use are not "really *very* needed" IMHO, but I do observe that eye candy
> seems to sell well with some.

+ compiz and beryl already have their own applications for configuration

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Volker Kuhlmann]

> As 10.2 release nears I think into future - 10.3 features - and I
> would like to request massive updates in Yast - that is - new modules
> that I would like to see:
> 
> 1. Swap Manager (Yast GUI to manage swap files & partitions)

Swap partitions have to be handled by the partitioner. From (old)
memory, swap files are inefficient and are best avoided. Just because
the competition can't do better doesn't mean Linux must do it too. They
can also be created with 2 easy commands. Ok, 3: dd, sync, swapon.

> 2. FTP Server (Yast GUI to manage vsFTPd)

What I would really like is some quick and easy way to create multiple
"document roots" with vsftpd, even if it means cranking up multiple
instances of it.

> 3. SSH Server (Yast GUI to manage openssh)

Which configuration variables in /etc/ssh/sshd_config would you like
yast to tweak?

I do think it's time SUSE disabled protocol 1 by default.

> 5. Sax3D (Yast/Sax GUI to manage XGL/AIGLX & Compiz for 3D Desktop Effects)
> 
> Those modules are really *very* needed by the SUSE community.

Sorry, but 3D desktop gimmicks with high geek factor but zero practical
use are not "really *very* needed" IMHO, but I do observe that eye candy
seems to sell well with some.

Volker

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Volker Kuhlmann]

> I have a /boot partition 2 cyl big: 15M.
> With the new kernels it is too small, so when updating a kernel, i have
> to throw the 'oldon' away, before the 'new one can get installed...

Your problem is to have a /boot partition altogether. They haven't been
needed in many years. If you decide to make a /boot anyway and make it
only 15M, it's your own fault. ;)

> Only way is throw everything away, or move it across a network, burn it
> on a dvd...

Of course you do this every so often anyway? Well I do.

> Are there no others who would want to realy controle the volumes?

I believe LVM has given you this functionality for many years now.

Beyond yast partitioner I hear qtparted is not too bad, though I'm not
sure whether integrating something like this into yast is top priority.

Volker

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Mauro Parra]

Hallo,

On 11/25/06, Robby (M9.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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As a matter of fact, i did, with kanotix, the debian installed knoppix,
Is it available for suse?



The program is lying around, a small footprint livecd could be done if you
want. But I don't see any reason to do it, since there is already working
alternatives.

In case of interest, much of the distro-cutted-down work is done in the
microSuSE universe (which also targets i386):

http://en.opensuse.org/MicroSUSE

as another option there was a suse live evalution, I don't know if it's
still uptodate, but could be easily updated and hacked to suit this need.

For more general advice on this, there is an article in lj about how to do
your own livecd:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7233

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M
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[opensuse-factory] Test for Online Update (RC1)

[Marcel Hilzinger]

opensuseupdater shows me no updates. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Alexey Eremenko]

FTP server isn't a bad idea though, help about that is asked now and

then on #suse (IRC).

I have actually submitted a request more than a year ago. Hope someone
will do it by 10.3. I would be very thankful for that person.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=118041

I have reopened & updated the bug to 10.3 timeline.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Robby (M9.)]

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Mauro Parra schreef:
> Hello,
> 
> On 11/25/06, Robby (M9.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I think, with all the changes, ext2, ext3, reiser, and all the
>> consequenses, that it is time, for linux, to have a real partitioner,
>> like Parttion Magic, which batches the needed changes, and completes the
>> transaction before booting the system.
> 
> 
> Have you tried QTParted? It's really nice, and works exactly in the same
> way
> than Partition Magic: Boot with their own boot disk, do the changes and
> restart.

As a matter of fact, i did, with kanotix, the debian installed knoppix,
Is it available for suse?
> 
> Would be nice to have an option in the opensuse installer disk to work as
> QTParted/Parted, just like another boot option (along with memtest, "safe"
> mode, etc).

Yes it would...
> 
> Best Regards,
> M
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Mauro Parra]

Hello,

On 11/25/06, Robby (M9.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think, with all the changes, ext2, ext3, reiser, and all the
consequenses, that it is time, for linux, to have a real partitioner,
like Parttion Magic, which batches the needed changes, and completes the
transaction before booting the system.



Have you tried QTParted? It's really nice, and works exactly in the same way
than Partition Magic: Boot with their own boot disk, do the changes and
restart.

Would be nice to have an option in the opensuse installer disk to work as
QTParted/Parted, just like another boot option (along with memtest, "safe"
mode, etc).

Best Regards,
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Robby (M9.)]

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Alexey Eremenko schreef:
> Hi all !
>
> As 10.2 release nears I think into future - 10.3 features - and I
> would like to request massive updates in Yast - that is - new modules
> that I would like to see:
>
> 1. Swap Manager (Yast GUI to manage swap files & partitions)

This is needed indeed, the available partioning features are 'antique',
and not realy usable during use, only when all is 'clean'.

I have a /boot partition 2 cyl big: 15M.
With the new kernels it is too small, so when updating a kernel, i have
to throw the 'oldon' away, before the 'new one can get installed...
That means that during an upgrade, when i am not present, the system
waits, because of the 'problem': it kan not install the kernel

There is no way to enlarge this partition, or move or split or whatever
partition, because it is nessesary...

Only way is throw everything away, or move it across a network, burn it
on a dvd...

I think, with all the changes, ext2, ext3, reiser, and all the
consequenses, that it is time, for linux, to have a real partitioner,
like Parttion Magic, which batches the needed changes, and completes the
transaction before booting the system.
We must also be able to move, split and delete or create partitions, as
we see fit..

I am not going to sacrifice my'/home' for one cylinder...

How about others?
Are there no others who would want to realy controle the volumes?

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[opensuse-factory] Re: Factory source for Internet installation

[Terje J. Hanssen]

I've downloaded and installed the CD isos for 10.2 RC1, both OSS and 
non-OSS. However there are some packages I need and that I don't find 
afterwards with YaST>Programs>Add-Remove software.


These single rpms are however found in the factory links, but which have 
to be downloaded and installed manually from a terminal:

http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/
http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-Factory-non-oss/inst-source-extra/

Why isn't these sources added automatically to YaST at the 10.2 RC1 
installation?


I've tried to add them as Yast HTTP Installation sources, but without 
succeed so far (errors like a server name is needed or url path).


Therefor, what is the correct parts to be added as respective
server name?
url path?


Thanks,
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Pascal Bleser]

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Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> As 10.2 release nears I think into future - 10.3 features - and I
> would like to request massive updates in Yast - that is - new modules
> that I would like to see:
> 
> 1. Swap Manager (Yast GUI to manage swap files & partitions)

What would be addresses in the "swap manager" that is not already done
in the partitioner module ? Swap files ?
You can already manage swap partitions in the partitioner.

> 2. FTP Server (Yast GUI to manage vsFTPd)
> 3. SSH Server (Yast GUI to manage openssh)
> 4. NX Server (Yast GUI to manage FreeNX terminal server, based on ssh)
> 5. Sax3D (Yast/Sax GUI to manage XGL/AIGLX & Compiz for 3D Desktop Effects)
> 
> Those modules are really *very* needed by the SUSE community.
> Unfortunately I don't know YCP to program those modules myself, so I
> ask those, who can do it. The documentation I found is very scarse &
> poor, disallowing me to write anything useful - anything beyond "Hello
> World" in YCP.

Stefan Hundhammer held a 1,5 hour tutorial about writing yast modules at
FOSDEM 2006.

The full video recording of the tutorial is available here:
- - small (300 MB):
http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2006-openSUSE-10-Writing_YaST_Modules-2006-02-26-video_small.ogg
- - large (2 GB):
http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2006-openSUSE-10-Writing_YaST_Modules-2006-02-26-video_full.ogg

Sources used in the tutorial:
http://www.suse.de/~sh/fosdem-2006/ycp-tutorial/

> What do you think ? 

I'd rather vote for enhancing the firewall module ;)
FTP server isn't a bad idea though, help about that is asked now and
then on #suse (IRC).

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Marcel Hilzinger]

Am Samstag, 25. November 2006 19:35 schrieb Alexey Eremenko:
> Hi all !
>
> As 10.2 release nears I think into future - 10.3 features - and I
> would like to request massive updates in Yast - that is - new modules
> that I would like to see:
[...]
> I would like you to recall that Yast has no been updated since SUSE
> 9.x times (except maybe AppArmor) and people saw no new modules since
> then. I think it is time to revise what we have.

Not seen the nice sudo module in 10.2?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2

[Robby (M9.)]

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Adrian Schröter schreef:
> Am Friday 24 November 2006 16:42 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger:
> Reply on 24-11-2006 17:40:53 <<<
>>> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
>>> /pub/opensuse/10.2 would be enough. Of course 10.2 is a distribution
>> and
>>
>>> repeating the opensuse does not help understanding the structure. I
>> also
>>
>>> thing repositories is not needed at all.
>> I think the distinguishion between dist end repositories as it is in
>> the moment is quiet important.AFAIR, in repositories, you find the
>> mirror of repos.opensuse.org, including the community packages. Counting
>> them at this moment inside the dist is quiet dangerous. Not all of these
>> packages (for not to say none) go through a rough QC.
>>
>> distribution on the other hand is the 'official' cd/dvd/ftp
>> installation tree.
>>
>> but shorter names would be great. Less to type is always good!
>
> you need to keep in mind that only a few users type these names at all.
> Sure, on this list the number of people who type is higher ;)
>
> But the main goal is to lead the people to the right directory (and they are
> using a mouse for doing that).

Might be so, but the shorter it 'can' be the better.
This goes also for the mirrors.
If it was up to me, the structure would be the same, at all the mirrors.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Tier-2 languages in RC1

[Robby (M9.)]

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Andreas Jaeger schreef:
> Michael and myself discussed this a bit further and asked our build
> experts to experiment a bit - and those first experiments are positive
> enough that I'm confident to tell you about them ;-).
>
> We're planning to put all languages that have according to the
> translation statistics page (http://i18n.opensuse.org/stats/index.php)
> more than 98 % translated to the media.  Note this is the translation
> status for YaST and software provided by the openSUSE project and
> Novell folks, it does not include translation status of e.g. GNOME,
> KDE or OpenOffice.Org.
>
> We're working on the details on how exactly to do this - just DVD or
> also CDs (in that case on CD4+5) - but we're trying to do what can be
> done.
>
> So, this means that the following languages should get on the media -
> in addition to the existing ones:
> * Danish (100 %)
> * Finnish (100 %)
> * Hungarian (100 %)
> * Cambodian (99 %)
> * Norwegian (99 %)
> * Dutch (98 %)
> * Polish (99 %)
>
> I'm impressed with the level of translation that these teams have
> done!
>
> Note: We master on monday an internal RC2 and will check that
> everything really fits on the media.  Our constraints are the space on
> the CDs and that the DVD5 should not be larger than 4 GB.
>
> I hope that's an acceptable solution for all,
> Andreas

As dutch translater, and offcourse also Dutchman, I welcome this very much!
Saves the add-on cd for me

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1 install fails on new PC

[Robby (M9.)]

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Markus Koßmann schreef:
> 
> all CDs) until first media change.
> When the messagebox asking for CD2  pops up , the dvd drive is still locked.  
> You need to click the eject button.


This happened to me yesterday, with Beta2, on a 32bit ibm, which has no
dvd-drive..
After a text-mode install,(too less space for g environment ?
nonsense..) and i put in the addon for the dutch files, i could not get
it out of the drive, not even with the button.
I had to restart, to get the drive open, just before starting up again..
This is not nice..

(10.0 did great, np on the drive with that.)

The update from the homemade dvd on the 64bitbox did just fine, except
that it had to remove my libxine, and when i installed it again, there
were too many complaints about amarok and kaffeine, which i ignored,
because it is crap. I also had to take it from the 10.1 repo, because
suddenly, it was not available for 10.2 anymore (?)
It was in the list, but when i wanted to dl, it was not found on the
media...(hmmm.)( i tried several times during few days...)

I am not going to be without music!
Who is responsible for this nonsense anyway?
No helix, ok, but also no libxine is outrageous..

On th other ahnd i must say that i like the os very much...

About the grub bug, the beta2 i386 version has it too, but probably
allready known

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Richard Bos]

Op zaterdag 25 november 2006 19:35, schreef Alexey Eremenko:
> What do you think ?

open bug reports (type = enhancement) and see what you get (let voting 
decide).

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[opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3

[Alexey Eremenko]

Hi all !

As 10.2 release nears I think into future - 10.3 features - and I
would like to request massive updates in Yast - that is - new modules
that I would like to see:

1. Swap Manager (Yast GUI to manage swap files & partitions)
2. FTP Server (Yast GUI to manage vsFTPd)
3. SSH Server (Yast GUI to manage openssh)
4. NX Server (Yast GUI to manage FreeNX terminal server, based on ssh)
5. Sax3D (Yast/Sax GUI to manage XGL/AIGLX & Compiz for 3D Desktop Effects)

Those modules are really *very* needed by the SUSE community.
Unfortunately I don't know YCP to program those modules myself, so I
ask those, who can do it. The documentation I found is very scarse &
poor, disallowing me to write anything useful - anything beyond "Hello
World" in YCP.

I would like you to recall that Yast has no been updated since SUSE
9.x times (except maybe AppArmor) and people saw no new modules since
then. I think it is time to revise what we have.

What do you think ?

-Big thanks in advance
-Alexey Eremenko.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2

[Marcel Hilzinger]

Am Freitag, 24. November 2006 14:47 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
> I've thought a bit about how to structure - and name - the directories
> for openSUSE 10.2 and like to get your feedback and suggestions for
> improvement.
>
> Goals
> =
>
> My goals with the restructuring are:
> * Clear naming - no misunderstandings
> * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download
> * structure should be usable for 10.3 Alphas und final again

What about this to keep it simple and stupid:

../opensuse/distribution/10.2/oss
../opensuse/distribution/10.2/non-oss
../opensuse/distribution/10.2/debug
../opensuse/distribution/10.2/src-oss
../opensuse/distribution/10.2/src-non-oss
../opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/
../opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/cd
../opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/dvd
../opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/deltas
../opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/torrent

../opensuse/distribution/factory/oss
../opensuse/distribution/factory/non-oss
../opensuse/distribution/factory/debug
../opensuse/distribution/factory/src-oss
../opensuse/distribution/factory/src-non-oss
../opensuse/distribution/fatcory/iso/

../opensuse/distribution/stable/  --> link to 10.2 or whatever

I see no need for an additional "repositories" entry. I also would not split 
non-oss and oss for CDs/DVDs, as the amount of 10-20 iso files fits in a 
normal browser window.
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[opensuse-factory] RC1 install fails on new PC

[Markus Koßmann]

Today I got a new pc with ASUS M2NPV-MX motherboard.CDROM is HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM 
GSA-H10N. 
Installation from RC1 x86_64  CD set works fine ( including media check for 
all CDs) until first media change.
When the messagebox asking for CD2  pops up , the dvd drive is still locked.  
You need to click the eject button.
Then you will the messages on console 4: 

hda: irq timeout: status=0x10d { busy } 
ide: failed opcode was: unkown
hda: DMA disabled
hda: ATAPI reset complete

If you try to access the 2nd CD after the reset, by clicking OK in the message 
boy, you will see now:
  
attempt to  access beyond end of device
hda: rw=0, want=1419404, limit=1335712
Buffer I/O error on device /dev/hda, logical block 354850

If I switch to a console and run md5sum on the 2nd CD I get a wrong checksum  
But if I put the CD into another PC the checksum is OK again. 
When running md5sum on CD1 on the new PC  all is OK
Then I burned another CD2 on the other PC , verified  it  before inserting 
with md5sum  and the exact same  buffer error occurs again. 
and running md5sum on the new PC  gives exact the same wrong value as before. 
with the other media. back in the other PC checksum id OK again.
And if reboot on the new PC  from installation into the rescue system and run 
md5sum  on CD2 it  is OK again.   
Changing the DVD drive to another model and moving it from primary IDE to 
secondary IDE doesn't change anything
Also using the pata_nv driver instead of amd74xx only changes the error 
message, but the drive will also be  resetted and fails to work after that. 

Are the any known issues with NVIDIA 6150 based board relating to the IDE 
controler, or is this just a defective board ? 





 
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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2

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Hugo Costelha schreef:
> On Friday 24 November 2006 14:53, Adrian Schröter wrote:
>> Am Friday 24 November 2006 15:03 schrieb Eberhard Moenkeberg:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
 I've thought a bit about how to structure - and name - the directories
 for openSUSE 10.2 and like to get your feedback and suggestions for
 improvement.

 Goals
 =

 My goals with the restructuring are:
 * Clear naming - no misunderstandings
 * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download
 * structure should be usable for 10.3 Alphas und final again

 Separate trees
 ==

 We have several ftp trees (for 10.1: OSS and Non-OSS) and I propose to
 make smaller repositories for faster download of metadata:

 * OSS (factory)
 * NON-OSS (factory-extra)
 * Debug (factory-debug)
 * Sources for OSS
 * Sources for NON-OSS

 Naming
 ==
 * let's use "repository" instead of catalog, inst-source etc.

 FTP Structure
 =

 ".../distribution/openSUSE-10.2" has the following subdirectories:
 * isos
 * repositories

 "isos" directory has the following subdirectories:
 * dvd - the DVD5
 * deltas
 * non-oss
 * oss
 * torrents

 "repositories" sdirectory has the following subdirectories:
 * debug
 * non-oss
 * oss
 * source-non-oss - just sources
 * source-oss - just sources

 Does this make sense?  Do you have better ideas?
>>> In general please find short names and don't use plural.
>>> F.e. "iso", not "isos", and "repo", not "repositories", "src", not
>>> sources", "delta", not "deltas", "torrent", not "torrents".
>> The reason why we took "repositories" was to reuse existing names on the
>> ftp server (pub/opensuse/repositories) and to make it clear that you can
>> not use this directory directly. You have to go inside and pick one.
>>
>>> Maybe also one level higher - "dist" for "distribution".
>> I would like to avoid a change here, it would cause too much pain for the
>> mirrors. (and I personally think longer names are better than short ones
>> for most users, who are not famillar with the structure).
>>
>>> And if cd and dvd images shall not reside within the same directory, the
>>> names "cd" and "dvd" would be better than "iso" and "dvd".
>> good point
> 
> It seems wuite intuitive to me. I also prefer longer names, if they are 
> easier 
> to remember and much easier to get some sense out of them, which I think is 
> the case here.

Mirror problems we do NOT need, but btw, is something everybody knows,
why than say: by the way?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2

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Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> 
>> I've thought a bit about how to structure - and name - the directories
>> for openSUSE 10.2 and like to get your feedback and suggestions for
>> improvement.
>>
>> Goals
>> =
>>
>> My goals with the restructuring are:
>> * Clear naming - no misunderstandings
>> * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download
>> * structure should be usable for 10.3 Alphas und final again
>>
>> Separate trees
>> ==
>>
>> We have several ftp trees (for 10.1: OSS and Non-OSS) and I propose to
>> make smaller repositories for faster download of metadata:
>>
>> * OSS (factory)
>> * NON-OSS (factory-extra)
>> * Debug (factory-debug)
>> * Sources for OSS
>> * Sources for NON-OSS
>>
>> Naming
>> ==
>> * let's use "repository" instead of catalog, inst-source etc.
>>
>> FTP Structure
>> =
>>
>> ".../distribution/openSUSE-10.2" has the following subdirectories:
>> * isos
>> * repositories
>>
>> "isos" directory has the following subdirectories:
>> * dvd - the DVD5
>> * deltas
>> * non-oss
>> * oss
>> * torrents 
>>
>> "repositories" sdirectory has the following subdirectories:
>> * debug
>> * non-oss
>> * oss
>> * source-non-oss - just sources
>> * source-oss - just sources
>>
>> Does this make sense?  Do you have better ideas?
> 
> In general please find short names and don't use plural.
> F.e. "iso", not "isos", and "repo", not "repositories", "src", not 
> sources", "delta", not "deltas", "torrent", not "torrents".
> 
> Maybe also one level higher - "dist" for "distribution".
> 
> And if cd and dvd images shall not reside within the same directory, the 
> names "cd" and "dvd" would be better than "iso" and "dvd".
> 
This is good thinking, i think... :)

> Cheers -e
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Installation source handling in 10.3

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Klaus Kaempf schreef:
> * Marcel Hilzinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Nov 24. 2006 14:13]:
>> Just a proposal for 10.3, as for 10.2 it's too late anyway:
>>
>> I think the installation source module should not fetch any other data then 
>> the source name. It should just put the right info on the right place, like 
>> editing /etc/apt/sources.list or a file in /etc/yum/yum.d.repos/
> 
> When adding a repository, retrieving the metadata is the right thing
> to do to detect problems. If you start to download metadata when starting
> a package manager, errors will be quite confusing.
> 
>> Why? With the current solution, each time you launch the installation source 
>> module metadata is fetched.
> 
> This is wrong and we want to fix this for 10.3.
> Downloading (resp. refreshing) repository metadata should not be done
> when starting a software managment application.

Very well said..!
> 
> 
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Installation source handling in 10.3

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Marcel Hilzinger schreef:
> Just a proposal for 10.3, as for 10.2 it's too late anyway:
> 
> I think the installation source module should not fetch any other data then 
> the source name. It should just put the right info on the right place, like 
> editing /etc/apt/sources.list or a file in /etc/yum/yum.d.repos/

I agree, to me it is the most annoying thing in the whole distro: to
have to wait half an hour for the meta-data to get downloaded.
Now it takes a little shorter, but still much too long.
Allmost as annoying as to have to wait for the 'zen-synchronisation'..

> 
> Why? With the current solution, each time you launch the installation source 
> module metadata is fetched. Most of us probably never need this metadata to 
> add a new source. I even doubt, that the module itsef needs this data.
> 
> If you start the Package Manager after the installation source module, the 
> same data is fetched again. So Suse does 2x the work, which would be needed 
> actually to perform an installation from a new source.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] 45 minutes for Installation

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Marcel Hilzinger schreef:
> Am Freitag, 24. November 2006 12:29 schrieb jdd:
>> Marcel Hilzinger a écrit :
>>> Yes, but it would be better to be wrong the other way round. So saying it
>>> takes 30 minutes and doing it within 35 minutes is better, than saying it
>>> takes 45 minutes and it's done within 35.
>> certainly not.
>>
>> I have an appointment in 30 minute, do I have time to
>> install? better have a longer guess than a smaller - less
>> problematic! (could say: "less than xx minutes")
> 
> Yes, but since 10.1 SL has the image to be very sloow. So with 10.2 
> installation should be as fast as with 10.1 (what it is in fact). But if YaST 
> says, that installation will take 45 minutes, everybody will remember, that 
> 10.2 takes 45 minutes to install.
> 
> If you want that, do not change it.

Over here it takes approx. 23-25 minutes, pretty fast i think...!
Don't you think the user will notict the actual time, instead of the
assumed?
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[opensuse-factory] [First try] Installing openSUSE 10.2 RC1 on a T60 Thinkpad

[James PEARSON]

Hello all,

It's the weekend, I have some space time and I want openSUSE 10.2 to
work on my T60 Thinkpad (Model 1952 W5R) so I installed openSUSE 10.2
RC1 on it.  

Note 1: My T60 has a Intel Centrino Duo 1.83 cpu with 2 Go of RAM and a
Mobile Intel 945GM Express video chipset. 

Note 2: openSUSE10.1 installs and works perfectly (even the Fn
buttons - which I don't use). 

# The following is my report
I ran the installation using the 5 CDs plus the Addon-BiArch CD.

The IBM usbmouse was not recognized so the installation had to be
performed using the trackpad. This was a bit touchy as the trackpad was
overly sensitive and just moving it over a hypertest link would
sometimes select it by accident.

I tested all the CDs in the CD test window.

I ran a new Installation (over a working 10.1 setup)

I included the Addon-Bi Arch CD using the add-on "Products from Separate
media" option.

I had problems selecting the "Clock and Time Zone" using the track pad
The Thinkpad trackpad was very sensitive (overly) here - just moving
the cursor over a hyperlink text would activate it. I had a very hard
time selecting my time zone and moving to the NEXT button without
loosing my settings. I found it easier to do this particular operation
using the tab button (which is what I did in the end).

I did a "kde" installation (as per usual)
I added gcc, kernel, java... (I forgot to add smart!)
The rpm installation started at 14:46
The rpm installation started at 15:19
When the rpm installation finished,  I was in the Package Installion
window (section Perform Installation), the "Synchronizing with
ZENworks" automatically came up at and started.

This started at 15:20
It was stilling happening at 15:44, so I hit the "abort" button -
more than once... (even tried Alt-R key for Abort) - I seemed stuck...

I finally hit TAB a few times and I noticed a window  "Error Your
service was added successfully in YaST but could not be synchronized
with Zenworks. Command timed out after 800 milliseconds.

hit the OK button, another Error window: "Error Cannot write settings
to 'ZMD'

Managed to continue to the "Root Password Configuration" window

Under network mode, selected "User-controlled interfaces with Network
manager" Download of latest release notes failed

YaST2 had set up the wrong IP address
The setup configured an IP in the 169.x.x.x.range
I need to be in the 192.x.x.x range

Went back to the "Network Configuration "window and disabled Network
manager, I moved forward and ran the "Internet Connection Test"

Network connection tested ok
Under "Novell Customer Center Configuration" window, I selected the
"Configure Now" button, and got an error window "Error An error
occurred while connecting to the sever

Under Details, I saw "Cannot open the file /etc/zmd/deviceid: No such
file or directory"

I selected "Configure Later" in order to get on with the installation

In the next window (e.g the "Novell Customer Center Configuration"
window), I had the choice to add these "Additional Installations
Sources": inst-source (which was already selected) inst-source-extra
inst-source-debug

I left the default setting and hit OK - no problem so I hit the back
button, and the other two sources added (inst-source-extra and
inst-source-debug) Note: the d/l speed on my side is limited to 1024
kb/sec. The time was 16:04 at 16:14, YaST asked me to insert CD1.
at 16:22, the "Creating source window" and clock were still working
away. at 16:43 the "Creating source window" and clock were still
working away. so I hit the "Back" button. A minute later, I hit the
"Next" button. Idem for the "TAB" in order to check for error messages
in other windows. Nothing One minute later I got a new window "Cannot
access installation media CD1" Check that the server is accessible " I
selected show details "Curl error for:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSSfactor.."; "Error code:
Timeout reached Error message: Callback aborted"

I hit abort
I saw "Can't provide /suse/setup/descr/packages.cs from
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source";

I selected abort
I selected abort abort again
I selected abort Don't try again
I got a "Probing source..." window followed by another "Creating
source.. " window I hit "NEXT" and got more
"http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-Facto"; windows.

Was I looping here??? I hit "NEXT", "BACK" and finally
"ctrl-alt-delete", I still had a
"http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-Facto"; window. I am
stuck. The time is now 16:55

I guess I am going to give up on this one and skip the  "Creating extra
sources.. " next time.

While writing this I got this window again
a new window "Cannot access installation media CD1"
Check that the server is accessible "
I selected show details 
"Curl error for:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSSfactor.."; "Error code:
Timeout reached Error message: Callback aborted"

I hit abort.
Abort again, Don't try again - and back we go again and I

Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug or feature?

[Robby (M9.)]

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Marcel Hilzinger schreef:
> Am Freitag, 24. November 2006 13:18 schrieb Stanislav Visnovsky:
>> Dňa Pi 24. November 2006 12:41 Volker Kuhlmann napísal:
 However, if there is internet connection I can also choose:

 SLP, FTP, HTTP, HTTPS, SMB/CIFS, NFS.

 Bug or feature? It's also very annoying, that YaST removes all internet
 sources, if you start the module without internet connection.
>>> I'd almost rate that as "most annoying". Definitely a bug, as I
>>> sometimes want to install from ftp://localhost/ because YOU can't handle
>>> deltas from file://, and going through an ftp (or http) server just for
>>> this is needed.
>> IMO think this is pretty much expert scenario and you should be able to use
>> command line tools for this.
>>
>> For a normal user, if there is no network connection, it does not make
>> sense to attach to a network-based repository and it will fail in a way
>> that's pretty hard to understand.
> 
> Does this mean: it's a feature?
> 
> So how about my next bug:
> If you start the installation source module without internet connection, YaST 
> checks for each source, if it's available and prompts for OK, Cancel, Skip.
> 
> If you choose "Skip", YaST asks, if it should remove the installation source 
> immediately. If you choose here "No" (for not removing) the installation 
> source does not show up anymore.

I confirm this..
> 
> YaST does not remove the source indeed, but as it does not show up, most 
> users 
> may think, that it did so. If you have several sources set up, this might be 
> _very_ annoying.
> 
Only once, if one does not know that YaST2 does not remove them

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[opensuse-factory] 10.2 RC1 is out?

[Juan Erbes]

Using smart or the yast update tool, with the repo
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/
The 2 tools do'nt find any new package. I mean the Metadata is'nt update.
If I open http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/openSUSE-10.2-RC1/
I got:
Forbidden

You don't have permission to access
/opensuse/distribution/openSUSE-10.2-RC1/ on this server.

What's happen?
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Re: [opensuse-factory] xen

[Hans Witvliet]

On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 06:36 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> Hans Witvliet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Im not sure i would call it a feature, let even alone enter it into
> > bugzilla..
> >
> > With B2, selecting minimal, text only PLUS XEN
> > ==> kernel-xen got selected and installed <==
> >
> > However, the grub-menu was not extended.
> 
> There was a bug that was marked as fixed, so it should have worked.
> Please file a new bug with log files.
> 
> > re-installing kernel-xen (Uvh) did no good.
> > while forcing kernel-xen from yast did append the xen-section into grub,
> > and making it even the default option (thanks for that change!!)
> >
I'll retest it on monday morning with RC (instead of B2)
If still there: bugzilla

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[opensuse-factory] sorry, where are patterns?

[jdd]

I feel dumb, but I don't see any difference between the RC1 
yast and any previous (pre 10.2) one...


the "pattern" menu is very small and mostly there is no tree 
(text mode ncurse yast), so what? did I miss something?


thanks
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Re: [opensuse-factory] "default" packages

[jdd]

Andreas Hanke a écrit :


(3) Remove MozillaFirefox from the default installation.


remember we speak of _text_ minimal install, what does 
mozilla do here?


problem is... I can't reliably help here. when you asked me 
to report these gnome things, I had already begun to install 
X (see what kind of problem is this (RC1) post), so I'm 
unsure of what was exactly on the text install and what have 
been added and not removed after


But here what I did just now:

* go to yast, list the gnome products in "search"
* for any installed one, hit the space bar until the 
dependency popup come.


as a result, sax2 seems to be the main responsible. (with 
xdg_menu and yast2-X11)


but of course sax2 is usefull if ever one wants to have X 
installed. does it needs to be in default?


general ideas (not for 10.2):

all the problem is size.

what we need is a tool to know precisely what is the size of 
a given install list (without having to do the install).


I couldn't find a way to save the "installation summary". 
This was possible till 10.0


in summary, we should be able to make a test install, have a 
size and discuss if the size gain is worth the problem. the 
dependency problem makes it very difficult to know what is 
the real impact of a small change.


jdd

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Re: [opensuse-factory] "default" packages

[Andreas Hanke]

Andreas Hanke schrieb:
> This is a general problem with many GNOME packages, all hand-written
> dependencies should be reviewed because they are really old cruft and
> things have changed.

Note that I have another bug pending (#223387) that is partly
responsible for excess dependencies among packages that use pkg-config
in their build system.

In short, pkg-config is configured to convert all private dependencies
into public ones. This has been added years ago as a workaround for a
pkg-config bug which is fixed now, so the workaround can be removed. No
other major distribution still does this.

It will be a hard job convincing the guys that this will not result in
non-prelinkable libraries and that Linux and glibc don't need all
deplibs to be linked in (seriously, they really don't need it), but I'll
try it anyway ;-)

Since most packages that use pkg-config happen to be GNOME packages, it
should hopefully reduce the dependency problems in the GNOME area a little.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] "default" packages

[Klaus Kaempf]

* Hans Witvliet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Nov 25. 2006 02:42]:
> Perhaps i should enter it as a requested enhancement ;-)
> 
> When wanting a bare minimal system, (by selecting text-mode only)
> i expect a real-minimum, however

We had this discussion on opensuse-factory before ;-)
Real-minimum means something different to everyone you're asking.

I'd like to encourage all of you to continue the pattern
discussion and help finding building blocks.

> 
> a) nice be not requested:
> like tcpdump.
> This is something a often select, but it should be included into the
> catagorie of "power-tools for experienced users", not default.

Which is probably still to coarse - "tcp/ip network debugging" is
probably more appropriate.

> 
> b) not wanted.
> If i want printing, i will select them:
> cups, cups-drivers, cups-libs, gutenberg, yats2-print should belong to a
> sub-thread

Which set of packages are _really_ needed for printing ?

> 
> c) waste of time/disk space
> hardware scan should know what kind of hardware there is.
> Why of why is yast2-scanner, yast2-irda, xfs-tools, dos-stuff
> installed

Thats part of the default install on purpose - have all configuration
tools present which pull in additional packages. Its a usability
compromise.

> 
> My MOBO does not have a sound-card: so why do i get alsa?
> (new sound-thread)

So we need a sound pattern, with which packages ?

> 
> Reasoning is this.
> Either if i select a packages manually, or it it gets installed by
> default, i have to claryfy its presence with an security officer.
> Same if its gets installed by default, i i decide to get rid of it.

One of the enhancements planned for the future is to document
the "why?" of installed packages better. Pattern - if used as
functional building blocks - can help here as they relate
packages to functionalities.

> 
> I rather have it not installed unless the it is really needed,

'Really needed' is probably just glibc and bash - for a minimal
chroot environment. It always depends what you want to do with
the system, and thats different for everyone.

Klaus
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Re: [opensuse-factory] "default" packages

[Andreas Hanke]

jdd schrieb:
> 2006-11-24 20:02:03 gnome-filesystem-0.1-287.i586.rpm installed ok

This is a fake package that contains mostly empty directories and is 1.3
kB in size. Ignore it and do as if it would not contain the string
"gnome" in its name - it might vanish very soon.

> 2006-11-24 20:51:55 gnome-mime-data-2.4.2-41.noarch.rpm installed ok

This is needed by gnome-vfs2 only, I'll try to find out whether the
dependency is necessary. I think it is. For the rest: See MozillaFirefox.

> 2006-11-24 20:52:05 gnome-keyring-0.6.0-17.i586.rpm installed ok

Legitimately needed by many packages, so the question is whether its
consumers are legitimate. Some of them might be avoidable.

> 2006-11-24 20:52:54 gnome-icon-theme-2.16.0.1-11.noarch.rpm installed ok

Needed by several packages, there are certainly illegitimate
dependencies among them that have been added over the time and can be
removed now.

> 2006-11-24 20:55:26 libgnomecups-0.2.2-45.i586.rpm installed ok

Required by libgnomeprint and libgnomeprintui. Dependency might be
bogus, should be investigated. The real question here is whether the
consumers of libgnomeprint and libgnomeprintui are legitimate.

> 2006-11-24 20:59:41 gnome-vfs2-2.16.1-22.i586.rpm installed ok

Required by MozillaFirefox, the dependency is correct.

Possible solutions:

(1) Split the GNOME integration parts out into something like
MozillaFirefox-gnome
(2) Hide the dependency from rpm, possible via hacks, but ugly
(3) Remove MozillaFirefox from the default installation.

> 2006-11-24 20:59:49 libgnomecanvas-2.14.0-22.i586.rpm installed ok

Legitimately needed by mozilla-xulrunner181 which has been added to the
default installation.

> 2006-11-24 20:59:56 libgnomeprint-2.12.1-46.i586.rpm installed ok

Should be avoidable, needs more investigation.

> 2006-11-24 21:01:41 libgnome-2.16.0-25.i586.rpm installed ok

Needed by MozillaFirefox, see above.

> 2006-11-24 21:02:14 libgnomeui-2.16.1-17.i586.rpm installed ok

Might be avoidable.

> 2006-11-24 21:02:21 libgnomesu-1.0.0-65.i586.rpm installed ok

Probably pulled in by error-prone hand-written dependencies, there are
certainly avoidable ones among them.

> 2006-11-24 21:02:30 libgnomeprintui-2.12.1-46.i586.rpm installed ok

Might be avoidable, but I couldn't find wrong dependencies for now, so
it must be a superfluous package that pulls this in.

Hot candidates: librsvg, compiz

May I ask if you happen to use gdm as display manager? That would
explain a lot.

But thanks, while investigating this list I already found out that
anjuta has buggy-handwritten dependencies which is very error prone.
Won't solve your problem (unless you're using anjuta, which I doubt),
but is a starting point.

This is a general problem with many GNOME packages, all hand-written
dependencies should be reviewed because they are really old cruft and
things have changed.
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[opensuse-factory] what kind of problem is this (RC1)

[jdd]

after the text mode install, I was in the way of installing 
X (only basic, I had no room for more).


When I was asked to look at the exess gnome packages (see 
elsewhere on this list), I went to the computer, it was 
asking for the second cd.


I hit "cancel", go back to the yast software template menu, 
unmark X and accept. I had a screen with no package to 
remove and exit yast.


I now notice I have 1.2Gb occupied, and before I had only 1Gb.

so it look like the package installed from the first cd 
where not removed


what did I do wrong?
jdd
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Re: [opensuse-factory] "default" packages

[jdd]

Andreas Hanke a écrit :


Which documentation packages? Package names, please.


easy:
/usr/share/doc

but:
/usr/share/doc> du -sh
87M

so I don't know is this is worth the hassle to don't install 
the doc (it's always possible to remove it afterward)


jdd


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Re: [opensuse-factory] "default" packages

[jdd]

Andreas Hanke a écrit :

jdd schrieb:

and why so many gnome libraries? even icons! on a text install!


This has been noticed very late ;-)

Call the packages by name (not "gnome libraries", but e.g. "glib2"),


in y2logRPM:

2006-11-24 20:02:03 gnome-filesystem-0.1-287.i586.rpm 
installed ok
2006-11-24 20:51:55 gnome-mime-data-2.4.2-41.noarch.rpm 
installed ok

2006-11-24 20:52:05 gnome-keyring-0.6.0-17.i586.rpm installed ok
2006-11-24 20:52:54 gnome-icon-theme-2.16.0.1-11.noarch.rpm 
installed ok

2006-11-24 20:55:26 libgnomecups-0.2.2-45.i586.rpm installed ok
2006-11-24 20:59:41 gnome-vfs2-2.16.1-22.i586.rpm installed ok
2006-11-24 20:59:49 libgnomecanvas-2.14.0-22.i586.rpm 
installed ok
2006-11-24 20:59:56 libgnomeprint-2.12.1-46.i586.rpm 
installed ok

2006-11-24 21:01:41 libgnome-2.16.0-25.i586.rpm installed ok
2006-11-24 21:02:14 libgnomeui-2.16.1-17.i586.rpm installed ok
2006-11-24 21:02:21 libgnomesu-1.0.0-65.i586.rpm installed ok
2006-11-24 21:02:30 libgnomeprintui-2.12.1-46.i586.rpm 
installed ok



find out where the dependency comes from and try to find out whether the
dependency is necessary.


I'm not very goo at rpm. provides don't give me many things. 
what may I do?


jdd


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Re: [opensuse-factory] "default" packages

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jdd schrieb:
> there are a lot, and I did see "gnome" on the display :-(

"A lot" is not enough, I need the exact package names in order to find
out where the dependency chain starts and if it is legitimate.

If the problem consists mainly of seeing the string "gnome" on the
display, case closed

> there are also many documentation package that should not be here. on a
> minimal install, only man page should be there (is that even necessary?)

Which documentation packages? Package names, please.

Note that I know that many packages have problematic and partly plain
wrong dependencies (which were added over the time as workarounds for
other problems and never removed), but the number of packages (3000
source RPMs) is _far_ too large to even start working on it without a
very specific example.

Andreas
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Re: [opensuse-factory] "default" packages

[jdd]

Andreas Hanke a écrit :

jdd schrieb:

and why so many gnome libraries? even icons! on a text install!


This has been noticed very late ;-)

Call the packages by name (not "gnome libraries", but e.g. "glib2"),
find out where the dependency comes from and try to find out whether the
dependency is necessary.

If it is, do nothing, if it is not, report a bug against the package
where the dependency chain starts.


there are a lot, and I did see "gnome" on the display :-(

there are also many documentation package that should not be 
here. on a minimal install, only man page should be there 
(is that even necessary?)


I will try to report, but I'm usure the system is still in 
the needed configuration :-(


I think there must be an install log? where? (just in case I 
wont find it)


jdd


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[opensuse-factory] for 10.3 - strings too large to display

[jdd]

This was seen on 640x480 screen, text mode

I think this will not be for present one, but must be 
adressed, probably by a library patch.


it's probably worst in french, but impact also the URL display.

I speak of the width of many message strings on a small 
display, that are nearly un readable (too large/long)


on a static display, for example when options are asked for 
and you can use tab to go from a button to a window, it's 
possible to shift the text with arrow keys, but on all the 
informative windows, this is not possible.


many french strings are unreadable, right part of URL are 
unreadable.


I don't exactly know what could be the solution? wrapping to 
the next line? enlarging the window (there is often room 
unused, even on such a small screen), trimming the center 
part of the string (...)?


this is so current it must be addressed at the library level...

jdd
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Re: [opensuse-factory] "default" packages

[Andreas Hanke]

jdd schrieb:
> and why so many gnome libraries? even icons! on a text install!

This has been noticed very late ;-)

Call the packages by name (not "gnome libraries", but e.g. "glib2"),
find out where the dependency comes from and try to find out whether the
dependency is necessary.

If it is, do nothing, if it is not, report a bug against the package
where the dependency chain starts.

Andreas
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Re: [opensuse-factory] "default" packages

[jdd]

Hans Witvliet a écrit :


I find a lot of packages installed, which might be very nice and
helpfull, but i did not select them. they are in three catagories:


and why so many gnome libraries? even icons! on a text install!

the install is given for 800mb, but final is 1.1gb on my 
computer


jdd

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