Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
Meanwhile, we do indeed need to think about the name. How big is the scope of Bretzn, and IF we decide it's fully cross desktop/distro, is Bretzn the right name? It has indeed disadvantages, being hard to spell and pronounce for non- Germans... Well. Project Bretzn is the codename for the idea to simplify the process of bringing applications from the developers to the enduser. Part of it is the plugin for IDEs and another part is the AppStore. But the word Bretzn was always considered a joke. So we shouldn´t put the term Bretzn into the actual user interface. It´s just an internal codeword. But it´s of course possible to mention Bretzn if someone want´s to describe the idea and the initiative. But Bretzn should never appear in the openSUSE menu. ;-) Cheers Frank The name DOES seem to be sticking! So if you want to change it, it will need to be quite soon! http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/02/project-bretzn/ cheers, Helen Just thinking out loud here. Bryen -- Frank Karlitschek karlitsc...@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
Am Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2011, 01:31:24 schrieb Jos Poortvliet: On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:57:02 Adrian Schröter wrote: Am Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011, 22:31:18 schrieb Jos Poortvliet: ... Just my 2cent on this: * I think when using the just the term OBS more strictly and avoiding the full name, the problem would reduce a lot. Well, ppl always want to know what it means - and open (or openSUSE) build service is a good start of an explanation. So I don't think this will really solve the issue. * A rename should always consider the available DNS domains ;) hehehe yes, that is true... But doesn't openbuildservice.org already redirect to build.opensuse.org? Seems like we could go for that name then... Yes? This particular one is indeed owned by me (privately). But there are also others, some of them pointing also to build.o.o, but they still want to hand it over only under some conditions (money or others). That is something what I don't even want to start about. One aspect, which should not be forgotten is that OBS is developed still by 99% from SUSE employees. We have meanwhile a core team of 3 people and that size is only existing, because is OBS is used also for SUSE Linux Enterprise and a variete of further SUSE and Novell products and services. This is of course another good reason to rename it away from openSUSE, but SUSE/Novell as company is the main developer (and openSUSE is just a user in first place so far regarding the efforts), so we need to sync with our buisiness folks here. One of them (Kurt Garloff) made actually a suggestion some month ago to rename it to OBS Build Service. This is in the tradition of the Gnu tools and also rpm (RedHat Package Manager - rpm package manager) is a good example. It also strength the OBS term itself IMHO. I personally like this suggestion and would slightly prefer it to open-build- service (but I have no strong opinion here). But you may want to discuss it on FOSDEM. Btw, when we have finally decided about a new name, I would use the new DNS name to present OBS as technology and of course link to some real life instances. But it would be not the same as build.o.o, which is the openSUSE instance. * OBS as term itself is actually less import for the end users. They just see the result. A reason why the PPA term from ubuntu is so intrusive. True, for end-users the whole thing is very different. But this was mostly prompted by the issue with explaining this to packagers and other more technical people... But the idea behind this is to get users first and convert some of them to packagers afterwards ;) And every packager is anyway a user, so he will have first contact with this. Esp. when comming from a non-SUSE distro and gets surprised via some web page that software.opensuse.org also offers for his distro stuff ;) IMHO we need to finished this feature ASAP: https://features.opensuse.org/310109 and we need to find a cool and marketing-able name for (similar to 1-click- install). This would reach way more people (in best case also some non openSUSE users) and we have the chance in the second step to educate them also better about OBS. We will grow afterwards. This feature just waits for a web developer since a longer time creating a good proposal. The pure coding part will be realtive minimal, I think. Awesome idea for sure, and yes, it needs a good marketing name :D Have fun on FOSDEM Thanks. We'll miss you... adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH email: adr...@suse.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On 03.02.2011, at 10:19, Helen wrote: Meanwhile, we do indeed need to think about the name. How big is the scope of Bretzn, and IF we decide it's fully cross desktop/distro, is Bretzn the right name? It has indeed disadvantages, being hard to spell and pronounce for non- Germans... Well. Project Bretzn is the codename for the idea to simplify the process of bringing applications from the developers to the enduser. Part of it is the plugin for IDEs and another part is the AppStore. But the word Bretzn was always considered a joke. So we shouldn´t put the term Bretzn into the actual user interface. It´s just an internal codeword. But it´s of course possible to mention Bretzn if someone want´s to describe the idea and the initiative. But Bretzn should never appear in the openSUSE menu. ;-) Cheers Frank The name DOES seem to be sticking! So if you want to change it, it will need to be quite soon! http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/02/project-bretzn/ cheers, Helen I think it´s fine if someone refers to Bretzn as a project or idea. But I don´t think the enduser should start Bretzn to install software. :-) Cheers Frank Just thinking out loud here. Bryen -- Frank Karlitschek karlitsc...@kde.org -- Frank Karlitschek karlitsc...@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs
On Thursday 03 February 2011 06:12:51 Rajko M. wrote: On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 08:32:45 pm Carlos Ribeiro wrote: http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card18C.png I created category Marketing images: http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Marketing_images It is subcategory of Marketing and it should collect images. When collection grows too big, we can create subcategories by topic. Be sure to have a link from http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_materials and probably from artwork too. Or put it in artwork? :D There is http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Marketing_media but it contains not only images, but also all presentations stored there as pdf files, so browsing images is not the easiest task. As help in browsing categories there is now: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Categories It is just different view of: http://en.opensuse.org/Category:OpenSUSE_project signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Fwd: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE vs. Fedora
On Thursday 03 February 2011 08:06:14 Manu Gupta wrote: I really like upgrade.opensuse.org, we can request this at opensuse-web ML Please do, in that case we can use that as label for the promo DVD stickers! Regards Manu On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 19:28 -0800, Tony Su wrote: Whoever the ListAdmin is, it should be an easy fix to fix this mis-configuration where the default recipient for a Reply is the original sender and not the List daemon. So, resending this message to the List... Tony -- Forwarded message -- From: Tony Su ton...@su-networking.com Date: Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE vs. Fedora To: jdd j...@dodin.org Actually, I've been dealing with a lot of this in the Forums Tech help in the past year or so. Today's kernel is actually a more basic, generic image plus various modules which can be optionally loaded at various times... And I'm seeing numerous differences between different distros on hardware support at least partly in what modules and higher level applications used to interact with the hardware. A case in point, one reason why I'm using OpenSUSE is the ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) on my primary laptop. Debian/Ubuntu doesn't use ALSA, and their sound architecture doesn't work on my machine. Also, although i wouldn't by any stretch of imagination consider myself an expert, but I also know that OpenSUSE is built slightly differently implementing things like update-alternatives to point to one of multiple similar libraries. And, don't forget GRUB for the moment although it's probably a topic to be avoided until v11.4, OpenSUSE 11.3 and earlier is using legacy GRUB which has recently evolved into something fairly unique to OpenSUSE. So, I would probably word it this way... Because OpenSUSE is quick to adopt and integrate updates and improvements by its component partners, the User will benefit by experiencing fewer hardware compatibility issues with best performance possible. Tony On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:36 PM, jdd j...@dodin.org wrote: Le 02/02/2011 00:46, Jos Poortvliet a écrit : I wanted to point out things which are unique to openSUSE. Frankly, I don't believe there are huge differences in ease of use, administration capabilities and hardware support between the major distro's... hardware support is mostly kernel, so yes this part is probably shared. But hardware setup is not. and there we are not always first (mandriva find always my printer, openSUSE never, and it's simply a network HP laser, pretty common) for example the openSUSE partitionner is unparallel with parted! jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 04:57:40 AM Frank Karlitschek wrote: On 03.02.2011, at 10:19, Helen wrote: Meanwhile, we do indeed need to think about the name. How big is the scope of Bretzn, and IF we decide it's fully cross desktop/distro, is Bretzn the right name? It has indeed disadvantages, being hard to spell and pronounce for non- Germans... Well. Project Bretzn is the codename for the idea to simplify the process of bringing applications from the developers to the enduser. Part of it is the plugin for IDEs and another part is the AppStore. But the word Bretzn was always considered a joke. So we shouldn´t put the term Bretzn into the actual user interface. It´s just an internal codeword. But it´s of course possible to mention Bretzn if someone want´s to describe the idea and the initiative. But Bretzn should never appear in the openSUSE menu. ;-) Cheers Frank The name DOES seem to be sticking! So if you want to change it, it will need to be quite soon! http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/02/project-bretzn/ cheers, Helen I think it´s fine if someone refers to Bretzn as a project or idea. But I don´t think the enduser should start Bretzn to install software. :-) Cheers Frank Just thinking out loud here. Bryen -- Frank Karlitschek karlitsc...@kde.org -- Frank Karlitschek karlitsc...@kde.org Bretzen sounds like a codename but not make reference to what it does or what is for. Since users or newcomers point of view Bretzn has no hook to take their attention at least by itself. So it needs some feature-functionality name associated to expose it. And at the beginning we have to make reference to both names because Bretzn is already known too in some knowledge circles. So to expand or reach beyond these insider people circles need something like Bretzn-AppsCab or maybe shorten. I was playing with Bretzn-AppsIns , Bretzn-Apps , or like tradename iBretzn or instaBretzn Still playing with the concepts. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama Testing version 11.4 Milestone 6, KDE 4.6.00, Mesa-Nouveau 3D -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On 03/02/2011 04:07 μμ, Ricardo Chung wrote: On Thursday, February 03, 2011 04:57:40 AM Frank Karlitschek wrote: On 03.02.2011, at 10:19, Helen wrote: Meanwhile, we do indeed need to think about the name. How big is the scope of Bretzn, and IF we decide it's fully cross desktop/distro, is Bretzn the right name? It has indeed disadvantages, being hard to spell and pronounce for non- Germans... Well. Project Bretzn is the codename for the idea to simplify the process of bringing applications from the developers to the enduser. Part of it is the plugin for IDEs and another part is the AppStore. But the word Bretzn was always considered a joke. So we shouldn´t put the term Bretzn into the actual user interface. It´s just an internal codeword. But it´s of course possible to mention Bretzn if someone want´s to describe the idea and the initiative. But Bretzn should never appear in the openSUSE menu. ;-) Cheers Frank The name DOES seem to be sticking! So if you want to change it, it will need to be quite soon! http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/02/project-bretzn/ cheers, Helen I think it´s fine if someone refers to Bretzn as a project or idea. But I don´t think the enduser should start Bretzn to install software. :-) Cheers Frank Just thinking out loud here. Bryen -- Frank Karlitschek karlitsc...@kde.org -- Frank Karlitschek karlitsc...@kde.org Bretzen sounds like a codename but not make reference to what it does or what is for. Since users or newcomers point of view Bretzn has no hook to take their attention at least by itself. So it needs some feature-functionality name associated to expose it. And at the beginning we have to make reference to both names because Bretzn is already known too in some knowledge circles. So to expand or reach beyond these insider people circles need something like Bretzn-AppsCab or maybe shorten. I was playing with Bretzn-AppsIns , Bretzn-Apps , or like tradename iBretzn or instaBretzn Still playing with the concepts. Regards, Maybe name OBS as BSOS meaning Building Service for Operating System(s) but we also can have it as Building Service of (for) open SUSE or Building Service Open Source. One acronym with many meanings... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
Am 03.02.2011 16:17, schrieb Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr): Maybe name OBS as BSOS meaning Building Service for Operating System(s) but we also can have it as Building Service of (for) open SUSE or Building Service Open Source. One acronym with many meanings... Open Build Service - as Jos said before is the best name of choice, I think. Or we call it Linux Build Service (LBS), but some people will think then, it´s something like LSB. kind regards a nice day kdl -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendec...@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador powered by openSUSE 11.3 KDE Kernel-desktop 2.6.34-12 using Tumbleweed This mail was composed under Linux Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 17:29 +0100, Kurt Garloff wrote: Jos, On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 12:02:04PM +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote: On Thursday 03 February 2011 10:55:01 Adrian Schröter wrote: One of them (Kurt Garloff) made actually a suggestion some month ago to rename it to OBS Build Service. This is in the tradition of the Gnu tools and also rpm (RedHat Package Manager - rpm package manager) is a good example. It also strength the OBS term itself IMHO. I personally like this suggestion and would slightly prefer it to open-build- service (but I have no strong opinion here). But you may want to discuss it on FOSDEM. Hmmm, it does indeed fit in the Unux tradition. Then again, that tradition is a bit outdated these days - pretty much nobody does use recursive acronyms anymore. But you're right, it's an option. Well, openSUSE Build Service is currently several things: 1. The software that does the builds 2. The service that we host My proposal was to name #1 OBS = OBS Build Server (with people associating the O with openSUSE or just open being intended). I think that adds more confusion or rather persists the existing confusion. Some of us are already referring to it as open rather than openSUSE. And people are going to ask what an acronym stands for. Such ambiguity already contributes to a variety of confusion on several fronts in the Project. #2 would continue to have the name openSUSE Build Service until the openSUSE project decides otherwise . Well, I think that's precisely what we're doing here. Though we're just a segment of the overall Project, we're discussing and making a proposal here that we hope the overall Project agrees with. .. Having two distinct names will help to avoid confusion. Having them still similar is good IMVHO. Cheers, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:55:01AM +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote: One of them (Kurt Garloff) made actually a suggestion some month ago to rename it to OBS Build Service. This is in the tradition of the Gnu tools and also rpm (RedHat Package Manager - rpm package manager) is a good example. It also strength the OBS term itself IMHO. Oh, I like this suggestion, it makes a lot of sense. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 16:37 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote: Am 03.02.2011 16:17, schrieb Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr): Maybe name OBS as BSOS meaning Building Service for Operating System(s) but we also can have it as Building Service of (for) open SUSE or Building Service Open Source. One acronym with many meanings... Open Build Service - as Jos said before is the best name of choice, I think. Or we call it Linux Build Service (LBS), but some people will think then, it´s something like LSB. kind regards a nice day kdl -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendec...@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador powered by openSUSE 11.3 KDE Kernel-desktop 2.6.34-12 using Tumbleweed This mail was composed under Linux Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. If I'm not mistaken (and it wouldn't be the first time I've been mistaken) OBS also packages for Windows. Thus Linux Build Service wouldn't work. Open is still the best. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] event report from LCA
Hi all, I went to LCA ;-) Did blog about it - pictures can be found on my picasaweb: http://picasaweb.google.com/jospoortvliet/LCA2011Brisbane Event Report LCA 2011 * LCA 2011 happened from mon 24 to sat 29 of Januari 2011. * openSUSE Ambassadors: Jos Poortvliet, Tim Serong * Event Details o It is a well organized and quite professional conference. Biggest sponsors HP, IBM, Intel and Google. Budget about $700.000, entry fee from $60 to $600 (depending if you're student, hobbyist or professional and if you get early bird registration (50% off). There are about 1000 people there, mostly semi-regulars, few students. Most of them quite technical and experienced. o Arrived Tuesday night, Wednesday first day of the conference. o Was 'fairy penguin' sponsor (A$ 1500). This was noticed by a few people. o At professional networking meeting got to talk to a few people, got one in contact with Bretzn team to talk about payment systems for openSUSE's appstore and someone else on OBS. o Attended talks, among others by Red Hat/Fedora ppl Learned about Koji and how it is about 5 lightyears behind on OBS :D o Blogged daily about LCA other stuff (blog aggregated on an LCA planet) and tweeted several times. Also linked with Facebook. o Got in contact with a few local (open)SUSE people, will work with them to set up more of a community in AU. o Realized many people want to spread openSUSE but don't know how. They used to have local Novell contacts but those disappeared (layoffs etc) and now they're stuck. I will try and get them motivated to become openSUSE ambassador. Need to expand our ambassador program, communicate it better and work with the local Novell/SUSE offices, integrate their work with local (open)SUSE people and the ambassador work! This is what Red Hat and Canonical do very well. o Spoke with keynote speaker Mark Pesce, will try to get him as keynote speaker for Desktop Summit (if not maybe suse conf!) o Had a meeting with Fedora Project Lead. We discussed cross-distro collaboration. There will be a discussion panel on that on FOSDEM lead by him and the Debian project lead, I will join them. o Gave a 90 second lightning talk (24 slides about SUSE Studio) during the closing ceremony which earned me a t-shirt (winner best lightningtalk). Resulted in ppl coming up to me all Saturday, both to compliment with talk and to say they would check out openSUSE and SUSE Studio again. o Held a booth on Saturday together with Tim, local Novell/SUSE employee. Answered many questions. o Created 1 A4 poster to get geeks' interest, gave away about 40 and used it in booth area o Gave away 150 DVD's, rest is with 2 local openSUSE ppl now. o This conference is certainly worth going to but needs more marketing materials and more people, a team! Common questions asked: openSUSE still alive? (answer: more than ever :D) Why would I use openSUSE and not ? (because we're cool, see A4 poster) How is the takeover stuff doing for openSUSE? (see my interview with Jeff Hawn) I will put this in the wiki page of LCA 2011 too :D signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:19:24 AM Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 16:37 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote: Am 03.02.2011 16:17, schrieb Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr): Maybe name OBS as BSOS meaning Building Service for Operating System(s) but we also can have it as Building Service of (for) open SUSE or Building Service Open Source. One acronym with many meanings... Open Build Service - as Jos said before is the best name of choice, I think. Or we call it Linux Build Service (LBS), but some people will think then, it´s something like LSB. kind regards a nice day kdl If I'm not mistaken (and it wouldn't be the first time I've been mistaken) OBS also packages for Windows. Thus Linux Build Service wouldn't work. Open is still the best. Bryen About OBS, oBS, openSUSE Build Services, open Build Services, I am not feeling any good changing the name at this right moment. The service was launched and other people put the name as the felt it is better for them. And that's not good either. But it is done. They are going to use it when it serves their goals and maybe without giving a credit . What I think we must make clear inside that tool (oBS) is putting somewhere inside in a visible mode the openSUSE Sponsored logo or Novell Sponsored logo. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama Testing version 11.4 Milestone 6, KDE 4.6.00, Mesa-Nouveau 3D -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: event report from LCA
Le 03/02/2011 19:41, Jos Poortvliet a écrit : Please check out http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:LCA2011 and not the mail below, the site is better organized and I fixed some things :D should add the country and place :-) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] Re: event report from LCA
On Thursday 03 February 2011 19:11:33 Jos Poortvliet wrote: Hi all, I went to LCA ;-) Did blog about it - pictures can be found on my picasaweb: http://picasaweb.google.com/jospoortvliet/LCA2011Brisbane Event Report LCA 2011 * LCA 2011 happened from mon 24 to sat 29 of Januari 2011. * openSUSE Ambassadors: Jos Poortvliet, Tim Serong * Event Details o It is a well organized and quite professional conference. Biggest sponsors HP, IBM, Intel and Google. Budget about $700.000, entry fee from $60 to $600 (depending if you're student, hobbyist or professional and if you get early bird registration (50% off). There are about 1000 people there, mostly semi-regulars, few students. Most of them quite technical and experienced. o Arrived Tuesday night, Wednesday first day of the conference. o Was 'fairy penguin' sponsor (A$ 1500). This was noticed by a few people. o At professional networking meeting got to talk to a few people, got one in contact with Bretzn team to talk about payment systems for openSUSE's appstore and someone else on OBS. o Attended talks, among others by Red Hat/Fedora ppl Learned about Koji and how it is about 5 lightyears behind on OBS :D o Blogged daily about LCA other stuff (blog aggregated on an LCA planet) and tweeted several times. Also linked with Facebook. o Got in contact with a few local (open)SUSE people, will work with them to set up more of a community in AU. o Realized many people want to spread openSUSE but don't know how. They used to have local Novell contacts but those disappeared (layoffs etc) and now they're stuck. I will try and get them motivated to become openSUSE ambassador. Need to expand our ambassador program, communicate it better and work with the local Novell/SUSE offices, integrate their work with local (open)SUSE people and the ambassador work! This is what Red Hat and Canonical do very well. o Spoke with keynote speaker Mark Pesce, will try to get him as keynote speaker for Desktop Summit (if not maybe suse conf!) o Had a meeting with Fedora Project Lead. We discussed cross-distro collaboration. There will be a discussion panel on that on FOSDEM lead by him and the Debian project lead, I will join them. o Gave a 90 second lightning talk (24 slides about SUSE Studio) during the closing ceremony which earned me a t-shirt (winner best lightningtalk). Resulted in ppl coming up to me all Saturday, both to compliment with talk and to say they would check out openSUSE and SUSE Studio again. o Held a booth on Saturday together with Tim, local Novell/SUSE employee. Answered many questions. o Created 1 A4 poster to get geeks' interest, gave away about 40 and used it in booth area o Gave away 150 DVD's, rest is with 2 local openSUSE ppl now. o This conference is certainly worth going to but needs more marketing materials and more people, a team! Common questions asked: openSUSE still alive? (answer: more than ever :D) Why would I use openSUSE and not ? (because we're cool, see A4 poster) How is the takeover stuff doing for openSUSE? (see my interview with Jeff Hawn) I will put this in the wiki page of LCA 2011 too :D Done: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:LCA2011 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
Hi, Op woensdag 02 februari 2011 22:42:23 schreef Jos Poortvliet: Maybe before we can be attractive to developers we have to be attractive to end users, so that they ditch their distribution repositories and use ours (which isn't supported by any distribution). So for you to succeded this is probably one of the issues that needs to be worked out first... Make OBS a repository of reference to other distributions. There are such repositories having packages for other distro's, right? There is this one: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/rbos:/ib/ IB means InkomstenBelasting, or translated from Dutch into English it is just ordinary tax, that probably rings a bell ;) Info about this particular repository can be found here: http://radoeka.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/het-is-er-weer-tijd-voor- belastingaangifte/ As I already wrote yesterday another important expect is, which not openSUSE user is going to get his or her software from download.opensuse.org. But I can very well imagine that it is not easy to change, as there are probably quite a lot of systems involved such as mirrors and methodes that determine the closest mirror to the user, etc. -- Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] Has OpenSUSE pronunciation been stardardized?
Am curious, if the spelling has been modified, did anyone address what the official pronunciation should be? There are at least 3 pronunciations I've read and heard... opensoozah - Supposedly the closest to its German roots opensoozee - Probably the most common I've heard in the USA opensooze Tony -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Has OpenSUSE pronunciation been stardardized?
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 12:06 -0800, Tony Su wrote: Am curious, if the spelling has been modified, did anyone address what the official pronunciation should be? There are at least 3 pronunciations I've read and heard... opensoozah - Supposedly the closest to its German roots opensoozee - Probably the most common I've heard in the USA opensooze Tony Ahh that's a never-ending question. :-) When in Germany, I hear it pronounced as sue-zeh and that's pretty much what I go by these days. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] Announcing the first virtual launch party
Just a quick email for those of you who don't follow planet, or lizard.o.o I just published an article about our ( tigerfoot Morgane Marquis ) secret fun project maturing from Christmas. We work hard, and more has to come, to make it a success, and make some noise around openSUSE. http://lizards.opensuse.org/?p=6561 I'll be at Fosdem, and have prepare a flyer that I want to distribute to lot's of people I will be able to show it also in real sense what, where. I'll will do that too in Scale :-) We are searching help to spread the word, and create junction point between us (opensuse) and them (secondlife resident) So I use our so nice connect.o.o tool, to start a public pool (no elections you're warn) sorry to not use more of your time, :-) but I really need some hours of sleep before going to Brussels. If someone want to have a look at the tri-folio flyer pdf it's here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1867/openSUSE/join-us-for-the-first-virtual-launch-party-opensuse-11-4_tri-folio.pdf Be care it's 25MB size ! ps : don't reply directly to me without a good reason, I'm subscribed to the ml ;-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Has OpenSUSE pronunciation been stardardized?
On 2/3/2011 at 01:12 PM, in message 1296763974.24818.141.ca...@linux-vpc2.site, Bryen M. Yunashko susero...@bryen.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 12:06 -0800, Tony Su wrote: Am curious, if the spelling has been modified, did anyone address what the official pronunciation should be? There are at least 3 pronunciations I've read and heard... opensoozah - Supposedly the closest to its German roots opensoozee - Probably the most common I've heard in the USA opensooze Tony Ahh that's a never-ending question. :-) When in Germany, I hear it pronounced as sue-zeh and that's pretty much what I go by these days. Bryen I can envision a great marketing ploy. We video people around the world trying to say openSUSE. It would be great fun. -Alan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Has OpenSUSE pronunciation been stardardized?
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 14:28 -0700, Alan Clark wrote: On 2/3/2011 at 01:12 PM, in message 1296763974.24818.141.ca...@linux-vpc2.site, Bryen M. Yunashko susero...@bryen.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 12:06 -0800, Tony Su wrote: Am curious, if the spelling has been modified, did anyone address what the official pronunciation should be? There are at least 3 pronunciations I've read and heard... opensoozah - Supposedly the closest to its German roots opensoozee - Probably the most common I've heard in the USA opensooze Tony Ahh that's a never-ending question. :-) When in Germany, I hear it pronounced as sue-zeh and that's pretty much what I go by these days. Bryen I can envision a great marketing ploy. We video people around the world trying to say openSUSE. It would be great fun. -Alan Yup! It was even an idea discussed way back in early 2010. Some sort of song-and-dance How do you say openSUSE? kind of thing. I had planned to shoot a bunch of folks at the openSUSE conference with that in mind but sadly my video camera got stolen before I got to Germany. There's a lot of cool ideas I have and others do too. We really should start story-boarding these ideas and making them happen. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs
Bryen Just in case upgrade.opensuse.org will be approved I upload 3 files with the new url http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card19A.png http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card19B.png http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card19C.png Em Qui, 2011-02-03 às 07:28 -0600, Bryen M. Yunashko escreveu: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 12:08 +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote: On Thursday 03 February 2011 05:12:28 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 19:39 -0800, Tony Su wrote: Just my recommendation, is there any way to beautify the URL by simply changing from http://en.opensuse.org//SDB:System_upgrade to something like Upgrade-to-11.4-Now/opensuse.org In other words, it's a simple DNS entry plus possible webserver root modification or re-direct to put the whatever string in front of the organization domain name, and IMO there's probably more friendly names than the SDB string.. Tony That's not a bad idea. Although I wouldn't make it specific to a version. But rather something like upgrade.opensuse.org. Let me ask around tomorrow and see if this is a feasible idea or not. I'll get back to you all tomorrow. Thanks for your suggestion, Tony. Maybe, as was suggested by Manu just now, use upgrade.opensuse.org? Bryen As promised last night, I've checked into the feasibility of this and it is possible. I'm going to make sure first that we have consensus that we do want to go with upgrade.opensuse.org and I'll file a request through Novell's IST to execute this. Thanks all, keep up the discusssion! Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Has OpenSUSE pronunciation been stardardized?
Did you ever see our We are Geekos? On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Alan Clark acl...@novell.com wrote: On 2/3/2011 at 01:12 PM, in message 1296763974.24818.141.ca...@linux-vpc2.site, Bryen M. Yunashko susero...@bryen.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 12:06 -0800, Tony Su wrote: Am curious, if the spelling has been modified, did anyone address what the official pronunciation should be? There are at least 3 pronunciations I've read and heard... opensoozah - Supposedly the closest to its German roots opensoozee - Probably the most common I've heard in the USA opensooze Tony Ahh that's a never-ending question. :-) When in Germany, I hear it pronounced as sue-zeh and that's pretty much what I go by these days. Bryen I can envision a great marketing ploy. We video people around the world trying to say openSUSE. It would be great fun. -Alan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org -- - Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. - openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Has OpenSUSE pronunciation been stardardized?
On 2/3/2011 at 02:45 PM, in message AANLkTinBBDc91NjmKeEcRH7n=qycxbbmu-slrd9xe...@mail.gmail.com, Chuck Payne terror...@gmail.com wrote: Did you ever see our We are Geekos? Yes. Loved it! -Alan On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Alan Clark acl...@novell.com wrote: On 2/3/2011 at 01:12 PM, in message 1296763974.24818.141.ca...@linux-vpc2.site, Bryen M. Yunashko susero...@bryen.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 12:06 -0800, Tony Su wrote: Am curious, if the spelling has been modified, did anyone address what the official pronunciation should be? There are at least 3 pronunciations I've read and heard... opensoozah - Supposedly the closest to its German roots opensoozee - Probably the most common I've heard in the USA opensooze Tony Ahh that's a never-ending question. :-) When in Germany, I hear it pronounced as sue-zeh and that's pretty much what I go by these days. Bryen I can envision a great marketing ploy. We video people around the world trying to say openSUSE. It would be great fun. -Alan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Upgrade Label for Promo DVDs
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 03:32:49 PM Carlos Ribeiro wrote: Bryen Just in case upgrade.opensuse.org will be approved I upload 3 files with the new url http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card19A.png http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card19B.png http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card19C.png Em Qui, 2011-02-03 às 07:28 -0600, Bryen M. Yunashko escreveu: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 12:08 +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote: On Thursday 03 February 2011 05:12:28 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 19:39 -0800, Tony Su wrote: Just my recommendation, is there any way to beautify the URL by simply changing from http://en.opensuse.org//SDB:System_upgrade to something like Upgrade-to-11.4-Now/opensuse.org In other words, it's a simple DNS entry plus possible webserver root modification or re-direct to put the whatever string in front of the organization domain name, and IMO there's probably more friendly names than the SDB string.. Tony That's not a bad idea. Although I wouldn't make it specific to a version. But rather something like upgrade.opensuse.org. Let me ask around tomorrow and see if this is a feasible idea or not. I'll get back to you all tomorrow. Thanks for your suggestion, Tony. Maybe, as was suggested by Manu just now, use upgrade.opensuse.org? Bryen As promised last night, I've checked into the feasibility of this and it is possible. I'm going to make sure first that we have consensus that we do want to go with upgrade.opensuse.org and I'll file a request through Novell's IST to execute this. Thanks all, keep up the discusssion! Bryen In case everything goes to upgrade.opensuse.org I think the http://en.opensuse.org/File:Card19C.png looks better, clear, clean, balanced. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama Testing version 11.4 Milestone 6, KDE 4.6.00, Mesa-Nouveau 3D -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
Why not use both names? Then one could use either name depending on the political context. open-buildservice for historical reasons also called opensuse-buildservice opensuse-buildservice for marketing reasons also called open-buildservice There could be a virtual project so that people trying to install would always do the right thing no matter what named was used. -- Paul Elliott 1(512)837-1096 pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd Suite J http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/ Austin TX 78758-3117 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:19:24 am Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: If I'm not mistaken (and it wouldn't be the first time I've been mistaken) OBS also packages for Windows. Thus Linux Build Service wouldn't work. Open is still the best. As mentioned before we can use only OBS and as explanation of acronym, it stood for openSUSE Build Service. The same thing that happened with S.u.S.E. conversion to SUSE, from Software und System Entwicklung to SUSE. Previous name has only historic value. OBS a build service, for instance sounds good too me. Not as a recursive name, but more like SUSE a Novell company. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 19:04 -0600, Rajko M. wrote: On Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:19:24 am Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: If I'm not mistaken (and it wouldn't be the first time I've been mistaken) OBS also packages for Windows. Thus Linux Build Service wouldn't work. Open is still the best. As mentioned before we can use only OBS and as explanation of acronym, it stood for openSUSE Build Service. The same thing that happened with S.u.S.E. conversion to SUSE, from Software und System Entwicklung to SUSE. Previous name has only historic value. OBS a build service, for instance sounds good too me. Not as a recursive name, but more like SUSE a Novell company. -- Regards, Rajko Ok so we've heard some good vigorous discussions of pros and cons from both sides of the aisle and this is a good discussion. Even if nothing comes of it, it still gave us a chance to exercise that muscle up in our noggin about thinking marketing. But I think at this point we've pretty much exhausted both sides arguments. So, in order to not turn this discussion into an endless thread and try to summarize and figure out where to go from here, I see the following: 1. The choice is between Open Build Service and openSUSE Build Service and leaving it at OBS and allowing people to spell it out however they choose. 2. Do we recommend, as a marketing team, to propose either of the options as listed in #1. Remember, we're just a segment of the overall project and thus whatever we vote on is a recommendation and not a binding change across the project. We can only vote on a consensus of the above options and then recommend it to the OBS team and Project. Seems that we should be picking which name we want to use and move from here. We have a lot of activities coming up where we can promote OBS and the sooner we can come to a consensus and develop our marketing strategies based on that consensus, the better. So... let's vote: A. We recommend formally changing the name to Open Build Service B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and allowing people to use openSUSE Build Service or open Build Service as they see fit. C. Leave it as is - openSUSE Build Service I'm entering my vote now for A. Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Marketing Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 08:33:58 PM Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 19:04 -0600, Rajko M. wrote: On Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:19:24 am Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: If I'm not mistaken (and it wouldn't be the first time I've been mistaken) OBS also packages for Windows. Thus Linux Build Service wouldn't work. Open is still the best. As mentioned before we can use only OBS and as explanation of acronym, it stood for openSUSE Build Service. The same thing that happened with S.u.S.E. conversion to SUSE, from Software und System Entwicklung to SUSE. Previous name has only historic value. OBS a build service, for instance sounds good too me. Not as a recursive name, but more like SUSE a Novell company. Ok so we've heard some good vigorous discussions of pros and cons from both sides of the aisle and this is a good discussion. Even if nothing comes of it, it still gave us a chance to exercise that muscle up in our noggin about thinking marketing. But I think at this point we've pretty much exhausted both sides arguments. So, in order to not turn this discussion into an endless thread and try to summarize and figure out where to go from here, I see the following: 1. The choice is between Open Build Service and openSUSE Build Service and leaving it at OBS and allowing people to spell it out however they choose. 2. Do we recommend, as a marketing team, to propose either of the options as listed in #1. Remember, we're just a segment of the overall project and thus whatever we vote on is a recommendation and not a binding change across the project. We can only vote on a consensus of the above options and then recommend it to the OBS team and Project. Seems that we should be picking which name we want to use and move from here. We have a lot of activities coming up where we can promote OBS and the sooner we can come to a consensus and develop our marketing strategies based on that consensus, the better. So... let's vote: A. We recommend formally changing the name to Open Build Service B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and allowing people to use openSUSE Build Service or open Build Service as they see fit. C. Leave it as is - openSUSE Build Service I'm entering my vote now for A. Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Marketing Team Vote suppot for A =Open Build Service -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama Testing version 11.4 Milestone 6, KDE 4.6.00, Mesa-Nouveau 3D -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 07:33:58 pm Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: ... A. We recommend formally changing the name to Open Build Service B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and allowing people to use openSUSE Build Service or open Build Service as they see fit. C. Leave it as is - openSUSE Build Service B (as it will be almost no change to factual naming) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: A. We recommend formally changing the name to Open Build Service B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and allowing people to use openSUSE Build Service or open Build Service as they see fit. C. Leave it as is - openSUSE Build Service I vote for B. Since the words 'openSUSE Build Service' are already all over the *.opensuse.org sites, we have to replace *ALL* of them with 'Open Build Service' if we change the name. So, I'd like to ask you, who will vote for A: Are you willing to replace the words 'openSUSE Build Service' which are already on whole *.opensuse.org sites with 'Open Build Service' responsibly? If the answer is 'No, someone except me should do.', I'm sorry to say you are an irresponsible person. Only if the answer is 'Yes, I'll volunteer to do so.', the option A would be a compelling opinion. Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
I vote A, Open Build Service (but only by a small factor over C.) I VIGOROUSLY oppose B on the grounds of ambiguity creating confusion. regards, Helen On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Bryen M. Yunashko susero...@bryen.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 19:04 -0600, Rajko M. wrote: On Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:19:24 am Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: If I'm not mistaken (and it wouldn't be the first time I've been mistaken) OBS also packages for Windows. Thus Linux Build Service wouldn't work. Open is still the best. As mentioned before we can use only OBS and as explanation of acronym, it stood for openSUSE Build Service. The same thing that happened with S.u.S.E. conversion to SUSE, from Software und System Entwicklung to SUSE. Previous name has only historic value. OBS a build service, for instance sounds good too me. Not as a recursive name, but more like SUSE a Novell company. -- Regards, Rajko Ok so we've heard some good vigorous discussions of pros and cons from both sides of the aisle and this is a good discussion. Even if nothing comes of it, it still gave us a chance to exercise that muscle up in our noggin about thinking marketing. But I think at this point we've pretty much exhausted both sides arguments. So, in order to not turn this discussion into an endless thread and try to summarize and figure out where to go from here, I see the following: 1. The choice is between Open Build Service and openSUSE Build Service and leaving it at OBS and allowing people to spell it out however they choose. 2. Do we recommend, as a marketing team, to propose either of the options as listed in #1. Remember, we're just a segment of the overall project and thus whatever we vote on is a recommendation and not a binding change across the project. We can only vote on a consensus of the above options and then recommend it to the OBS team and Project. Seems that we should be picking which name we want to use and move from here. We have a lot of activities coming up where we can promote OBS and the sooner we can come to a consensus and develop our marketing strategies based on that consensus, the better. So... let's vote: A. We recommend formally changing the name to Open Build Service B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and allowing people to use openSUSE Build Service or open Build Service as they see fit. C. Leave it as is - openSUSE Build Service I'm entering my vote now for A. Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Marketing Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 13:31 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote: Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: A. We recommend formally changing the name to Open Build Service B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and allowing people to use openSUSE Build Service or open Build Service as they see fit. C. Leave it as is - openSUSE Build Service I vote for B. Since the words 'openSUSE Build Service' are already all over the *.opensuse.org sites, we have to replace *ALL* of them with 'Open Build Service' if we change the name. So, I'd like to ask you, who will vote for A: Are you willing to replace the words 'openSUSE Build Service' which are already on whole *.opensuse.org sites with 'Open Build Service' responsibly? If the answer is 'No, someone except me should do.', I'm sorry to say you are an irresponsible person. Only if the answer is 'Yes, I'll volunteer to do so.', the option A would be a compelling opinion. Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ That's a valid concern. And I just poked someone in the wiki team to ask how difficult this challenge would be. From a technical standpoint, it's not that difficult to install an extension from mediawiki to do mass edits. At the very least, we could produce a list of all pages that have that string and a group of us volunteer to go through pages one-by-one to clean it up. Obviously this only applies to pages where the full openSUSE Build Service string exists. Those where OBS is only used, no need to worry. So... I'm volunteering to jump on on the cleanup effort if that's what is eventually decided upon. I remind you all that again, we are only voting on a recommendation to give to the OBS team. We're not actually making a decision here. Thanks, Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-buildservice] Proposed OBS rename / + BRETZN name
On Thursday 03 February 2011 23:50:27 Paul Elliott wrote: Why not use both names? Then one could use either name depending on the political context. open-buildservice for historical reasons also called opensuse-buildservice opensuse-buildservice for marketing reasons also called open-buildservice There could be a virtual project so that people trying to install would always do the right thing no matter what named was used. Hmmm, that would only complicate things. Kurt has a point, as does Bryen - we can call the technology Open Build Service and we have an instance wich is the openSUSE BS. Still I'd call it all the Open Build Service which has an instance free-to-use on build.opensuse.org - to make sure ppl realize that the instance on buid.o.o is ALSO cross-distro! If we point out that the Open Build Service is there 'for all distro's' but still say 'openSUSE build service' when referring to build.o.o we're still having the same issue. After all, while it's fine if ppl run their own instance of OBS, we have the biggest opportunity of turning them into contributors if they're on build.o.o! So to cut to the chase and avoid further bikeshedding*, let me propose the following: OBS will from now on officially be known as Open Build Service. build.openSUSE.org is openSUSE's OBS instance. If any of the core OBS developers have strong objections, please say so. If not, let's say this decision is made - I don't really see why the whole project has to be involved in that decision. It's your build service, the marketing team advices a name change - you decide. Project gets notified. No reason to let another 500 people give their opinion (and bother the other 499 with that). Who codes decides, bottom up, independent teams, all that ;-) Cheers, Jos * bikeshed.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
