Re: bash: ./genclntsh: bad interpreter: Permission denied

[Nils Höglund]

> ltiu wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Could someone help me decipher the following:
> > 
> > "sh: ./genclntsh: bad interpreter: Permission denied"
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > ltiu
> 
> Comes from #!/bin/sh on the first line. You must run some kind of
> extraterrestrial Unix where sh is not located under /bin (perhaps
> /usr/bin ?). You can insert a line with : _before_ the first one (and
> nothing else than : in first column) but if I were you I would simply
> create a symbolic link to the true location of sh under /bin.

I would rather guess your script (./genclntsh) don't have right
UNIX-persmissions.

Try set it executable:  chmod +x ./genclntsh 

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RE: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Sujatha Madan]

But Tim just said what I said! ... how dumb am I!

duh!!!

I think I'll creep back into my corner!

Sorry Tim, Kirti and whoever else.



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Kirti,

Taking another tack...

Why would they want to use JDBC Thin?  Typically, the "thin" driver is
intended for environments where the "Oracle Client" is not expected to be
installed (i.e. applets on the browser) and the JDBC "OCI" driver for
environments where the "Oracle Client" is expected to be installed (i.e.
servlets on the app server).

JDBC Thin has some nasty quirks beyond not populating V$SESSION properly.
For example, if a database object or a cursor should go invalid for any
reason, a "thin" driver cannot handle the problem as an "OCI" driver can...

Just some food for thought...

-Tim

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> We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic and
> Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are dedicated
> connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection requests
> that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming it
on
> the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this load.
>
> I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection
pooling.
> Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not involved
in
> this project, and may not get access to the Appl Code. A co-worker is
asking
> me all kinds of questions about Listener problems. The Vendor is
suggesting
> to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They have already created
> multiple listeners in vain.
>
> I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know much about Java/EJB etc..
> but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does not smell good. For all
I
> know it could be making a db connection for every single thing and
> disconnecting.
>
> Anyone dealt with similar issues?
> All tips are welcome and appreciated.
>
> All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone running any of their Web
> Applications?  If so, can you please contact me off-list?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Kirti
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RE: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Sujatha Madan]

Kirti,

I forgot to add this: If you are using Thin clients you can't read v$session
properly. For some reason it doesn't populate properly and you can't
correlate anything.

Regs,

Sujatha


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Kirti,

Taking another tack...

Why would they want to use JDBC Thin?  Typically, the "thin" driver is
intended for environments where the "Oracle Client" is not expected to be
installed (i.e. applets on the browser) and the JDBC "OCI" driver for
environments where the "Oracle Client" is expected to be installed (i.e.
servlets on the app server).

JDBC Thin has some nasty quirks beyond not populating V$SESSION properly.
For example, if a database object or a cursor should go invalid for any
reason, a "thin" driver cannot handle the problem as an "OCI" driver can...

Just some food for thought...

-Tim

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> We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic and
> Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are dedicated
> connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection requests
> that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming it
on
> the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this load.
>
> I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection
pooling.
> Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not involved
in
> this project, and may not get access to the Appl Code. A co-worker is
asking
> me all kinds of questions about Listener problems. The Vendor is
suggesting
> to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They have already created
> multiple listeners in vain.
>
> I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know much about Java/EJB etc..
> but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does not smell good. For all
I
> know it could be making a db connection for every single thing and
> disconnecting.
>
> Anyone dealt with similar issues?
> All tips are welcome and appreciated.
>
> All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone running any of their Web
> Applications?  If so, can you please contact me off-list?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Kirti
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RE: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Sujatha Madan]

Hi Kirti,

We ran into the same kind of issues with IBM's Websphere. I think that is
kind of like WebLogic.

We kept hitting max_processes each time and the customer blamed the listener
then they blamed the firewall for timing all the connections out. After
extensive tests we found that it was a problem with the Websphere config
files. I've pasted some details the IBM Websphere applications guys sent to
me. It may help you.

CONNECTION POOLING PERFORMANCE TUNNING: MINIMUM POOL SIZE
It is important to adjust connection pooling properties for optimal 
performance by applications that require connection to a database. You 
can adjust connection pooling properties using Admin Console.

In the first in a series of tips on tuning connection pooling 
performance, we look at Minimum Pool Size property settings. Minimum 
Pool Size specifies the minimum number of connections that the 
connection pool should hold open to the database. The default value for 
this property is 1.

In WAS 3.5 and 4.0, the connection pool doesn't create the minimum 
number of database connections at the outset. Instead, the connection 
pool grows by creating new connections as they are needed. After the 
pool has grown to the minimum number of connections, this minimum is 
maintained. That is, the number of connections doesn't fall below the 
specified minimum.

To determine the appropriate minimum value, you must examine the 
applications that use the connection pool, making note of the minimum 
number of connections that are needed at any point in time. You should 
set the Minimum Pool Size property to this minimum value so requests 
can be satisfied without connection wait timeout exceptions.

Remember that the number of connections can grow beyond the minimum 
number specified in Minimum Pool Size. During periods of low activity, 
the number of open connections decreases to the minimum. You should 
keep the Minimum Pool Size value as low as possible to avoid holding 
extraneous connections open.

Cheers

Sujatha



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Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 1:53 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic and
Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are dedicated
connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection requests
that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming it on
the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this load. 

I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection pooling.
Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not involved in
this project, and may not get access to the Appl Code. A co-worker is asking
me all kinds of questions about Listener problems. The Vendor is suggesting
to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They have already created
multiple listeners in vain.  

I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know much about Java/EJB etc..
but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does not smell good. For all I
know it could be making a db connection for every single thing and
disconnecting. 

Anyone dealt with similar issues? 
All tips are welcome and appreciated. 

All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone running any of their Web
Applications?  If so, can you please contact me off-list?

Thanks. 

- Kirti  
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Re: Rollback OPTIMAL setting

[Tim Gorman]

cool!  thanks!

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Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:28 PM


> I do the same thing. No optimal setting, manual (automated job) shrinking
of
> rollback segments when database has no DML activity (mostly just before
> midnight). No ORA-1555 in several years now.
> About the space for rollback, we are very generous. Tom Kyte explains this
> very well in his wonderful book.
> I am working on fixing a rollback problem in one other (7.3.4) database I
> acquired. RBS monitoring  (v$rollstat, v$transaction etc) script were
> installed just last night. Within a week (to cover low/high/eom
processing)
> we will know the sizing and HWM etc. And then we plan to zap 'Optimal'
> setting. With current optimal settings ORA-1555 gets reported at least
twice
> a month, but I know it will be history after redoing the RBS in a few
days.
>
> - Kirti
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:16 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Tim,
>
> I rebuilt the rollback segments without OPTIMAL in one case because the
> shrinks were causing ORA-1555's at bad times.  I have a procedure that
> is scheduled via DBMS_JOBS to manually shrink the rollback segments to a
> preset size.  This runs at what we have found is a relatively quiet time
> and has not yet caused an ORA-1555.
>
> As far as the space wastage goes, this is kept somewhat in control by
> the weekly shrink mentioned above.  Also, we simply agreed to have a
> bigger RBS tablespace that may be strictly needed and when we showed the
> business that the frequency of these errors dropped off the chart,  they
> agreed and the cost of a couple of extra GB was not an issue.
>
> While this is not a formula that will be needed (or even work) for
> everyone, it worked well for this case.  There is a mix of OLTP users,
> batch jobs and reporting/DSS. Some tools that are is use (SAS) will not
> allow SET ROLLBACK SEGMENT, so the recommendation to have 1 big rollback
> segment that you bring online for specific users didn't work.
>
> I like the ability to control when a rollback segment gets shrunk and
> at the same time I don't need to do it.  To me this is a workable
> solution.
>
> Stephen
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/02 11:03AM >>>
> I personally prefer to have it set, but I think the reasoning against
> setting it has to do with allowing rollback segments to "find
> themselves"...  :-)
>
> In other words, it is based on the idea that space allocation (and
> deallocation) for rollback segment extents is unnecessary and harmful.
> By not setting OPTIMAL, each rollback segment will grow to a "high-water
> mark" (HWM) value and never shrink.  Therefore, no more "overhead
> processing" from extent allocation/deallocation...
>
> My argument against this involves space "wastage" and sharply varying
> workloads.  If a set of extremely large transactions (i.e. application
> conversion process) runs, they will cause the RBs to grow large, and
> stay large, even though the transaction mix may never approach the HWM
> boundary.  This is a waste of space and a potential failure condition,
> as a lack of space may prevent another RBS from growing as it needs in
> future.  Without OPTIMAL, they will not shrink automatically -- a DBA
> would have to manually intervene and shrink them back.  That may be
> acceptable for some folks, but if I can get the database to do something
> automatically instead of me monitoring it, I'd prefer automation.
>
> If you prefer to minimize RBS extent allocation/deallocation, set
> OPTIMAL quite high -- perhaps quite close to the HWMSIZE readings in
> V$ROLLSTAT if you prefer.  If you are constrained for space in the
> tablespace containing rollback segments, then it is quite important to
> set OPTIMAL to a lower value and simply "suffer" through the extent
> allocations/deallocations necessary to conserve space.  If you want to
> take the responsibility for monitoring and shrinking RBSs in this
> situation manually, well, then to each their own...
>
> Now, we get to the discussion of just how "onerous" extent
> allocation/deallocations are.  First of all, such a determination should
> be made empirically by monitoring wait-events, V$ROLLSTAT, and
> V$WAITSTAT.  If nothing there indicates a problem with the
> allocation/deallocation of extents, then why would we worry?  Obviously,
> there are conditions when using DICTIONARY-managed tablespaces where it
> can be a concern, but even they are easy to fix, once and for all.  If
> you put your rollback segments in a UNIFORM-type LOCAL-managed
> tablespace, then any concerns about "overhead" from extent
> allocations/deallocations are surely unfounded.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Fink, Dan
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:13 AM
>   Subject: Rollback OPTIMAL setting
>
>
>   One of the constant comments regarding rollback segments is no

Re: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Tim Gorman]

Kirti,

Taking another tack...

Why would they want to use JDBC Thin?  Typically, the "thin" driver is
intended for environments where the "Oracle Client" is not expected to be
installed (i.e. applets on the browser) and the JDBC "OCI" driver for
environments where the "Oracle Client" is expected to be installed (i.e.
servlets on the app server).

JDBC Thin has some nasty quirks beyond not populating V$SESSION properly.
For example, if a database object or a cursor should go invalid for any
reason, a "thin" driver cannot handle the problem as an "OCI" driver can...

Just some food for thought...

-Tim

- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:53 AM


> We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic and
> Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are dedicated
> connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection requests
> that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming it
on
> the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this load.
>
> I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection
pooling.
> Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not involved
in
> this project, and may not get access to the Appl Code. A co-worker is
asking
> me all kinds of questions about Listener problems. The Vendor is
suggesting
> to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They have already created
> multiple listeners in vain.
>
> I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know much about Java/EJB etc..
> but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does not smell good. For all
I
> know it could be making a db connection for every single thing and
> disconnecting.
>
> Anyone dealt with similar issues?
> All tips are welcome and appreciated.
>
> All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone running any of their Web
> Applications?  If so, can you please contact me off-list?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Kirti
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Re:Oracle Performance Tuning steps

[Chetan]

Dick ,
Thanks a ton for ur feedback. I ran UTLBSTAT/UTLESTAT and found out that the problem was with memory. Then I went and queried V$SGASTAT, V$SQLAREA, V$SQLTEXT. Can u tell me if there can be any other problems ? I found out later that there were some indexes added afterwards.
Thanks nyways.
Chetan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chetan,First questions, What changed? Did someone add/delete an index? Was therean oversized data load done? When were the statistics, if present, lastcomputed? Has a new program/application been added to the server? Did a memorybank go offline? Did a disk interface card go offline?I use HP's HP-UX boxes as well, except most of my DB's are 10 times largerthen yours. Just about everytime something like that happens, especially all ofa sudden, one of those questions is the cause. The last item I'd go lookingfor, have only had one instance of it so far, is a unrestricted user whoreleased "the query from HELL" into the database as a "one time requirement". If you can find him/her I've a used gallows rope is still here, one usage only.Dick GouletReply SeparatorAuthor: Chetan Date: 6/26/2002 2:18 AMHi guys ,Need some help. Actually we are looking here at a Oracle 8.1.7 db on HP-UNIX.The application was running fine uptil yesterday. Suddenly a part of the applnis running extremely slow. I can not figure what might be the problem. Wanted totrack this down asap.Here is some information about the db.Database size - 20GBOptimizer - CHOOSEDisk Structure - RAID 1+0No. of processors - 4Block Size - 8KArchivelog mode : ARCHIVELOGPlease tell me what should be the ideal way I should try to trace the problem. Ithought of running UTLBSTAT/UTLESTAT or STATSPACK and asked the user to run thatpart of the appln. Has anybody worked with STATSPACK before ?Can anybody tell me what should accurate and fastest way to hunt down theproblem ? I think its something to do with indexes or changes in the queries.Also can someone tell me the ide!
!
al backup strategy for this database consideringthe fact that it's a 24x7 system.Thanks in advance .Chetan Chindarkar-Do You Yahoo!?Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup
Hi guys ,
Need some help. Actually we are looking here at a Oracle 8.1.7 db on HP-UNIX.The application was running fine uptil yesterday. Suddenly a part of the applnis running extremely slow. I can not figure what might be the problem. Wanted totrack this down asap.
Here is some information about the db.
Database size - 20GB
Optimizer - CHOOSE
Disk Structure - RAID 1+0
No. of processors - 4
Block Size - 8K
Archivelog mode : ARCHIVELOG
Please tell me what should be the ideal way I should try to trace theproblem. I thought of running UTLBSTAT/UTLESTAT orSTATSPACK and asked the user to run that part of the appln. Hasanybody worked with STATSPACK before ?
Can anybody tell me what should accurate and fastest way to hunt downthe problem ? I think its something to do with indexes or changes in thequeries.
Also can someone tell me the ideal backup strategy for thisdatabase considering the fact that it's a 24x7 system.
Thanks in advance .
Chetan Chindarkar


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RE: the ora certified masters cert

[Rodd Holman]

Mike,
I am moderator on a yahoo group.  Just last month we had one of these
scam purveyors trying to peddle their stolen exams to list members.  She
was quickly banned from the list for such postings.  I get at least a
post or two like that sent to me every 2 -3 months.  Most of the thieves
I've seen are not posting from US domains.

Rodd

On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 07:18, Hately Mike wrote:

"I've no respect for the OCP. I saw MANY people bought the exams from many
sources."

I'm sure that Oracle Corp would love to hear some details about that last
quote.

Mike





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Re: Virtual drive on Solaris

[Tim Gorman]

Ferenc,

What a small world!

That class in Dallas was the very first teach of the excellent "Oracle
Server Internals" seminars anywhere, ever.  Originally, Scott Gossett was
supposed to teach all of them, but he was booked at the time so Oracle
Education hired me as a replacement contractor to deliver them.  Then, Scott
suffered some serious health problems, so I got to teach that course about a
dozen more times in North and South America through 1998 and 1999.  But
Scott got well and has been doing it (extremely well!) ever since, I'm
told...

I have to admit that I was flat-out terrified teaching that first class in
Dallas.  Not only was it brand-new curriculum, but there were some 30-35
people packed in there and most of them were like you -- exceedingly sharp!
One guy (do you remember?) who sat in the front row had been on the team at
Bell Labs who worked on the original UNIX implementation;  he also consulted
to Oracle to build the newly revamped transaction layer for Oracle7 in the
late 1980s.  It was a 3-day class and he casually revealed his pedigree
midway through the first day.  I spent the next 2.5 days watching his
reaction to everything I said out of the corner of my eye.  If I said
something and he nodded, the angels sang hosannas and the sun shone
brightly.  If I said something and he frowned or squinted and tilted his
head, I almost fell over.  Absolutely nerve-wracking!  Oh well, that which
doesn't kill you...

Thanks for the info!

-Tim

- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:28 AM


> Used it for large application upgrades, works a charm, cut down the time
by
> about a third. But it does not work on every platform, because when I set
it
> and then perform a transaction, upon dumping the redo log, I find my
> transaction in there. But thanks Tim.
>
> BTW, I was in that class, you ran it in Dallas in 1998 at Oracle
Education.
> Cheers :
>
> Regards:
> Ferenc Mantfeld
> Senior Performance Engineer
> Siebel Performance Engineering
> Melbourne, 3000, VIC, Australia
> Only Robinson Crusoe had all his work done by Friday
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Monday, 24 June 2002 4:23 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I hesitated mentioning that parameter in this forum, but I figured what
the
> heck?  Could be fun, in a sick way...  :-)
>
> Once I was teaching a DBA class and mentioned "_DISABLE_LOGGING".
> Immediately, I saw every head in the class look down, scribbling
furiously!
> I had to backtrack very quickly and warn of the consequences of disabling
> redo logging (i.e. database corruption if not shutdown normally for any
> reason)...
>
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:48 PM
>
>
> > Hi Tim
> >
> > Yes, I have tried the _disable_logging, does not work on all platforms.
DB
> > starts up fine, but redo log is generated, evidenced by log switching
> going
> > on.
> >
> > Also if I do a normal DML (large-ish one to verify), then dump the redo
> log,
> > I see my transaction there, so for a 420R, running Solaris8 and Oracle
> > 9.0.1, it would seem that _disable_logging does not work.
> >
> > I don't want to complicate the picture even further with transportable
> > tablespaces, which would mean that I would need to store all dependent
> > objects (in this case indexes only) in the same tablespace, which I
could
> > easily achieve by rebuilding all indexes using a dynamic SQL.
> >
> > Informatica BTW does not only do single level inserts, version 5.0
onwards
> > has a 'bulk load' feature, but I am not sure what this actually does.
> > Previously Sagent also had a 'direct load' switch, which meant that it
> wrote
> > all of its data to large (very large) flat files and then used
Sql*Loader
> > direct path to load. Fast, but Sagent at the time was very unreliable,
> > because on identical runs, it would sometimes load all the data,
sometimes
> > only a portion, and every time, would report no errors and everything
> hunky
> > dory, until you went looking for your data. I remember that took me
about
> a
> > week of arguing to prove that Sagent was at fault.
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestion of the Non volatile RAM (NVRAM) unit, it makes
> the
> > most sense. I will suggest this to my damagers.
> >
> > Regards:
> > Ferenc Mantfeld
> > Senior Performance Engineer
> > Siebel Performance Engineering
> > Melbourne, 3000, VIC, Australia
> > Only Robinson Crusoe had all his work done by Friday
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2002 9:03 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Have you considered setting "_DISABLE_LOGGING = TRUE"
> > instead?  It could be just as disastrous...  ;-)
> >
> > Buying an NVRAM unit would probably be more sensible, since
> > at least then you have some probability of the file-system
> > on such a unit surviving node failure or re

RE: Rollback OPTIMAL setting

[Deshpande, Kirti]

I do the same thing. No optimal setting, manual (automated job) shrinking of
rollback segments when database has no DML activity (mostly just before
midnight). No ORA-1555 in several years now. 
About the space for rollback, we are very generous. Tom Kyte explains this
very well in his wonderful book. 
I am working on fixing a rollback problem in one other (7.3.4) database I
acquired. RBS monitoring  (v$rollstat, v$transaction etc) script were
installed just last night. Within a week (to cover low/high/eom processing)
we will know the sizing and HWM etc. And then we plan to zap 'Optimal'
setting. With current optimal settings ORA-1555 gets reported at least twice
a month, but I know it will be history after redoing the RBS in a few days. 

- Kirti 

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:16 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Tim, 

I rebuilt the rollback segments without OPTIMAL in one case because the
shrinks were causing ORA-1555's at bad times.  I have a procedure that
is scheduled via DBMS_JOBS to manually shrink the rollback segments to a
preset size.  This runs at what we have found is a relatively quiet time
and has not yet caused an ORA-1555.  

As far as the space wastage goes, this is kept somewhat in control by
the weekly shrink mentioned above.  Also, we simply agreed to have a
bigger RBS tablespace that may be strictly needed and when we showed the
business that the frequency of these errors dropped off the chart,  they
agreed and the cost of a couple of extra GB was not an issue.

While this is not a formula that will be needed (or even work) for
everyone, it worked well for this case.  There is a mix of OLTP users,
batch jobs and reporting/DSS. Some tools that are is use (SAS) will not
allow SET ROLLBACK SEGMENT, so the recommendation to have 1 big rollback
segment that you bring online for specific users didn't work.

I like the ability to control when a rollback segment gets shrunk and
at the same time I don't need to do it.  To me this is a workable
solution.

Stephen 

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/02 11:03AM >>>
I personally prefer to have it set, but I think the reasoning against
setting it has to do with allowing rollback segments to "find
themselves"...  :-)

In other words, it is based on the idea that space allocation (and
deallocation) for rollback segment extents is unnecessary and harmful. 
By not setting OPTIMAL, each rollback segment will grow to a "high-water
mark" (HWM) value and never shrink.  Therefore, no more "overhead
processing" from extent allocation/deallocation...

My argument against this involves space "wastage" and sharply varying
workloads.  If a set of extremely large transactions (i.e. application
conversion process) runs, they will cause the RBs to grow large, and
stay large, even though the transaction mix may never approach the HWM
boundary.  This is a waste of space and a potential failure condition,
as a lack of space may prevent another RBS from growing as it needs in
future.  Without OPTIMAL, they will not shrink automatically -- a DBA
would have to manually intervene and shrink them back.  That may be
acceptable for some folks, but if I can get the database to do something
automatically instead of me monitoring it, I'd prefer automation.

If you prefer to minimize RBS extent allocation/deallocation, set
OPTIMAL quite high -- perhaps quite close to the HWMSIZE readings in
V$ROLLSTAT if you prefer.  If you are constrained for space in the
tablespace containing rollback segments, then it is quite important to
set OPTIMAL to a lower value and simply "suffer" through the extent
allocations/deallocations necessary to conserve space.  If you want to
take the responsibility for monitoring and shrinking RBSs in this
situation manually, well, then to each their own...

Now, we get to the discussion of just how "onerous" extent
allocation/deallocations are.  First of all, such a determination should
be made empirically by monitoring wait-events, V$ROLLSTAT, and
V$WAITSTAT.  If nothing there indicates a problem with the
allocation/deallocation of extents, then why would we worry?  Obviously,
there are conditions when using DICTIONARY-managed tablespaces where it
can be a concern, but even they are easy to fix, once and for all.  If
you put your rollback segments in a UNIFORM-type LOCAL-managed
tablespace, then any concerns about "overhead" from extent
allocations/deallocations are surely unfounded.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fink, Dan 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:13 AM
  Subject: Rollback OPTIMAL setting


  One of the constant comments regarding rollback segments is not to
set optimal. I am wondering why this setting is often discouraged. I
have my own ideas, but I want to gather more opinions and experiences.
  Daniel W. Fink 
  Sr. Oracle DBA 
  MICROMEDEX 
  303.486.6456 



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Re: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Murali Vallath]

Good discussion.

We have exactly the same setup. You are correct Suzy. However would like to 
confirm that WL manages the connection pools and like Suzy has mentioned is 
how they are set.

Before starting the application a minimum number of connection pools are 
defined for weblogic and when the application starts one will notice that 
many connections made to Oracle.  Now these minimum connections (used or not 
used) remain attached to the database for the life of the application (at 
least that is what we are noticing).

Kriti, I am not sure what JDBC driver you are using. Thick or thin? if you 
are using the JDBC thick driver you have some control, like you can enable 
TNS tracing on both the client and database server side and look at the 
traffic. Also there is another great tool (really good) called Velocitop (i 
think that is how its spelt) that is placed in front of the JDBC connection 
on the app server side. Using this tool you could clearly measure and drill 
down various aspects of the network traffic, initiator, requests, waits, 
commits, rollbacks etc.

Now one hurdle, is with transaction management, since WL logic takes care of 
cleaning up transactions, the developers do not explicitly disconnect or 
complete a connection for reusability. This is bad, because while we are 
moving away from WL, the new application server will not do this automatic 
closing of connections hence these connections are being consumed pretty 
quickly.

Long, connections pools have a similar behavior as MTS or Shared Servers (in 
Oracle 9i) Basically to share connections to the database.

Regards

Murali

Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:53:18 -0800


Again, I'm a little rusty on WL, it's been awhile (4.5) and don't have
access to a current working environment.  So, someone please correct
where I'm wrong...

The WL server does manage the connection pool.  The WL server creates a
pool of database connections at server startup (initialCapacity).  When
the app code makes a database call, it accesses a connection from the
pool then releases it back to the pool when the database call
completes.  IIRC, there are Java classes for accessing & releasing
connections from the pool.

If all initialCapacity connections in the pool are in-use, WL server
allocates more connections in the pool as needed (capacityIncrement), up
to and not exceeding maxCapacity.  There are other parameters that
control the pool, which Bill Pass mentions in his reply.

Suzy

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 >
 > Suzy,
 >
 > You said "The app java code should be managing the allocation and release 
of
 > connections within the pool". Do not know anything about connection pool, 
so this might be a naive question: It seems to me that it is not a good set 
up if the applications have to do the pool managing themselved; why can't WL 
do the pool
 > managing itself?
 >
 > Long
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 3:03 AM
 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 >
 > I'm really rusty on this topic, but...
 >
 > Connection pooling is configured in weblogic.properties, and would look
 > something like this:
 >
 > weblogic.jdbc.connectionPool.=\
 > url=jdbc:oracle:thin:@hostname:port:db_name,\
 > driver=oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver,\
 > initialCapacity=2,\
 > maxCapacity=10,\
 > capacityIncrement=1,\
 > props=user=;password=;weblogic.codeset=UTF-8
 >
 > Tuning of parameters initialCapacity, maxCapacity, capacityIncrement are
 > key. Here's some info for WL 4.5 (you might instead need to search for
 > 6.x docs):
 >
 > http://www.weblogic.com/docs45/admindocs/properties.html#conpools
 > http://www.weblogic.com/docs45/techdeploy/jdbcperf.html
 >
 > The app java code should be managing the allocation and release of
 > connections within the pool.  It might be this isn't being done properly
 > within the vendor's code.  Or maybe initialCapacity isn't set high
 > enough for the application, which is allocated when WL is initially
 > started, then incremented as-needed as set by capacityIncrement.
 >
 > Checking v$session for how many connections are created when WL is
 > started, then monitoring it during application use might help lead you
 > to an answer.
 >
 > Suzy
 >
 > "Deshpande, Kirti" wrote:
 > >
 > > We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic 
and
 > > Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are 
dedicated
 > > connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection 
requests
 > > that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming 
it on
 > > the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this 
load.
 > >
 > > I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection 
pooling.
 > > Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not 
involved in
 > > this project, and 

Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

[Henry Poras]

I don't know. Sort of makes me feel like a poodle.

Henry
- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:13 AM


> The question is, are you going to allow your
> clearminded moral stance and total disdain for a
> thinly veiled DBA tax to interfere with your pursuit
> of filth lucre? *I* ain't!
>
> ;)
>
> It is just another hoop to jump through so that a
> hring manager can say "that is an impressive hoop you
> jumped through" and you can respond "yes, and I can
> jump through some hoops for you too" and allow them to
> say "here is an outrageous sum of money to work on our
> computers."
>
> I love this job.
>
> jack silvey
> ocp 7.3, 8.0, 8i, 9i
>
>
> --- Don Granaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > They aren't - unless it exceeds a non-trivial
> > percentage (6%? 7%? more?  I
> > can't remember now...) of their income and is
> > "required" (?).
> >
> > This new requirement for OCP is just another in a
> > long line of
> > propaganda/baloney from Oracle in its never-ending
> > attempts to suck up every
> > buck it possibly can.  [Oracle likes $.  HR
> > likes mindless checklist
> > items.  It is a match made in heaven.]  I thought
> > that the "need practically
> > any two ILT classes, no matter how irrelevant" 9i
> > OCM was going to be the
> > limit of extending the the greedy grab for OCP bucks
> > - for 9i at least.
> > This isn't about certification anymore (as if it
> > ever was), its about
> > revenue.
> >
> > Since this "new requirement" (for the moment at
> > least) doesn't apply to
> > upgrade from an 8i certification, does anyone know
> > if there is (or soon will
> > be) a new constraint/surprise/ambush limiting that
> > to 8i OCP obtained prior
> > to, oh say, June 15, 2002?  September 2002?
> >
> > Don Granaman
> > [OraSaurus - with more disdain than ever for the
> > evil vampire Larry's OCP
> > DBA tax]
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:23 AM
> >
> >
> > > I thought employees were not allowed to write
> > things off as business
> > > expenses...
> > >
> > > Confusedly yours,
> > > Patrice Boivin
> > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet
> > again
> > >
> > > Are you trying to promote it?
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it
> > can
> > > be sold to hiring managers as a sign of
> > professional
> > > competence.
> > >
> > > Look at it from a cost/benefit ratio standpoint.
> > Will
> > > someone with this cerifification make $2000 more
> > over
> > > her professional life than she would without?
> > >
> > > So it takes a round trip ticket and three days of
> > > vacation. Get the company to pay for it or write
> > it
> > > off as a business expense.
> > >
> > > Good investment, easy money, instant credibility
> > to
> > > many hiring managers.
> > >
> > > jack silvey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 19 Jun 2002 at 4:38, Ron Rogers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Date sent:  Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:38:18 -0800
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > > > ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > > > It seems that our list has made mention in
> > this
> > > > report from
> > > > > Searchdatabase.com. And Oracle is trying to
> > > > justify the $2000 expence.
> > > > > If I read this correct the $2000 is for 9i
> > OCP.
> > > > > ===
> > > > > LEAD STORY
> > > > >
> > > > > ORACLE FUELS CERTIFICATION CONTROVERSY |
> > > > SearchDatabase
> > > > > Oracle has a new requirement for its potential
> > > > certified
> > > > > professionals, and the price tag is about
> > $2,000.
> > > > Many DBAs aren't
> > > > > happy about the new policy but Oracle says the
> > > > class makes their
> > > > > certification more valuable than ever. Read
> > the
> > > > details of the new
> > > > > mandate, and what DBAs and industry experts
> > have
> > > > to say about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the full details, click:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.searchdatabase.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid13_gci833782,00.ht
> > > ml
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ:
> > > > http://www.orafaq.com
> > > > --
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Re: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Suzy Vordos]

Again, I'm a little rusty on WL, it's been awhile (4.5) and don't have
access to a current working environment.  So, someone please correct
where I'm wrong... 

The WL server does manage the connection pool.  The WL server creates a
pool of database connections at server startup (initialCapacity).  When
the app code makes a database call, it accesses a connection from the
pool then releases it back to the pool when the database call
completes.  IIRC, there are Java classes for accessing & releasing
connections from the pool.  

If all initialCapacity connections in the pool are in-use, WL server
allocates more connections in the pool as needed (capacityIncrement), up
to and not exceeding maxCapacity.  There are other parameters that
control the pool, which Bill Pass mentions in his reply.  

Suzy

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Suzy,
> 
> You said "The app java code should be managing the allocation and release of
> connections within the pool". Do not know anything about connection pool, so this 
>might be a naive question: It seems to me that it is not a good set up if the 
>applications have to do the pool managing themselved; why can't WL do the pool
> managing itself?
> 
> Long
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 3:03 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> I'm really rusty on this topic, but...
> 
> Connection pooling is configured in weblogic.properties, and would look
> something like this:
> 
> weblogic.jdbc.connectionPool.=\
> url=jdbc:oracle:thin:@hostname:port:db_name,\
> driver=oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver,\
> initialCapacity=2,\
> maxCapacity=10,\
> capacityIncrement=1,\
> props=user=;password=;weblogic.codeset=UTF-8
> 
> Tuning of parameters initialCapacity, maxCapacity, capacityIncrement are
> key. Here's some info for WL 4.5 (you might instead need to search for
> 6.x docs):
> 
> http://www.weblogic.com/docs45/admindocs/properties.html#conpools
> http://www.weblogic.com/docs45/techdeploy/jdbcperf.html
> 
> The app java code should be managing the allocation and release of
> connections within the pool.  It might be this isn't being done properly
> within the vendor's code.  Or maybe initialCapacity isn't set high
> enough for the application, which is allocated when WL is initially
> started, then incremented as-needed as set by capacityIncrement.
> 
> Checking v$session for how many connections are created when WL is
> started, then monitoring it during application use might help lead you
> to an answer.
> 
> Suzy
> 
> "Deshpande, Kirti" wrote:
> >
> > We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic and
> > Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are dedicated
> > connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection requests
> > that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming it on
> > the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this load.
> >
> > I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection pooling.
> > Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not involved in
> > this project, and may not get access to the Appl Code. A co-worker is asking
> > me all kinds of questions about Listener problems. The Vendor is suggesting
> > to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They have already created
> > multiple listeners in vain.
> >
> > I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know much about Java/EJB etc..
> > but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does not smell good. For all I
> > know it could be making a db connection for every single thing and
> > disconnecting.
> >
> > Anyone dealt with similar issues?
> > All tips are welcome and appreciated.
> >
> > All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone running any of their Web
> > Applications?  If so, can you please contact me off-list?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > - Kirti
> > --
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> > --
> > Author: Deshpande, Kirti
> >   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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> --
> Author: Suzy Vordos
>   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Rodd Holman]

First you must have a demonstrated need to have access to classified
material (that's US Gov't Classified not business classified).  Then you
need to submit the reams of paperwork through your security officer that
will initiate the SBI.  This is the stuff where you write down
everything you ever did in your life and who you did it with.  You also
include a list of everyone you know.  Then they go around interviewing
everyone and you to see if you really told the truth.  They get
extremely personal to borderline embarassing with the questions.  Then
the mysterious clearance blesser in D.C. muddles over all this and if
you are found worthy then you get it.  With today's security climate
this is not an easy process.

There are also drawbacks to the clearance.  It is a forced barrier in
relationships.  Hi Honey I'm home. .. No my day really sucked.  .. No,
Dear, I can't tell you why. ...  After a while conversations like that
tend to create tensions even though both parties understand the reasons
for the secrecy.  I'm glad not to have to deal with that in my job.

Rodd Holman

On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 13:52, Michael Cupp wrote:
How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government 
sponsored?

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this 
clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep 
it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

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I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

>That is not my understanding.
>
>FWIW.  Mike
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
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>
>
>Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
>so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
>Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
>Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
>are done for just such access.
>
>Ian MacGregor
>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>-Original Message-
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>
>
>I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
>base.
>
>OraStaff wrote:
>  
>
>>Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
>>  (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
>>
>>

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RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

[Grant Allen]

Don Granaman[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> >"What do you hate/find-frustrating about Oracle?"  (Let me count the
> ways...
> >)  That could easily be the most
> >revealing interview question ever conceived!  I love it!!!
> 
It works wonderfully for me.  I've seen a few faces go completely blank ...
and a few go cherry-red as they start frothing at the mouth mumbling
"ORA-00600 ... ORA-01555 ...".  It's almost like free therapy for them :-)

> >I'm amazed at the number of times someone that is supposedly qualified
> can't
> >answer a very simple, but unexpected, practical question.  I used to
> always
> >start out with a few "indicator" questions to determine strengths,
> >weaknesses and which way to go.  One such was "If you find a file named
> >'afiedt.buf', how was it probably created?"  That particular question
> caught
> >two very "confident" applicants without the foggiest clue a few years
> ago.
> >
> >One was the "Oracle Wizard" at his current company.  (Seriously.  It was
> the
> >official job title on his business card!  ... even though he had been out
> of
> >college less than a year.)
> >
> >The other was an extremely smug 7 & 8 OCP DBBS who claimed many years of
> >experience and opened our conversation, immediately after the handshake
> and
> >introductions, with "I'm one of the best Oracle DBAs around - if not THE
> >best.".  When I asked this question after a few minutes of pleasant
> >generalities, his smirk disappeared, his jaw dropped and he just sat
> there
> >staring at me with the best "deer in the headlights" look I've ever seen.
> >[It must not have been in the Self Test Software Practice Exams or the
> Exam
> >Cram books.]
> 
I laughed a lot at that ... not least because I'd been an Oracle DBA for
three or four years before someone mentioned edit in SQL*Plus, and I said
... "Edit?!  You mean this piece-of-[expletive] has an edit command!?  WHY
DIDN'T YOU TELL ME!?".  Needless to say I then went and read the
manual.

> >BTW: Grant: Can I buy that .sig from you?
> 
I'll do you a trade :-)

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RE: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Long . Nguyen]

Suzy,

You said "The app java code should be managing the allocation and release of
connections within the pool". Do not know anything about connection pool, so this 
might be a naive question: It seems to me that it is not a good set up if the 
applications have to do the pool managing themselved; why can't WL do the pool
managing itself?

Long


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I'm really rusty on this topic, but...

Connection pooling is configured in weblogic.properties, and would look
something like this:

weblogic.jdbc.connectionPool.=\
url=jdbc:oracle:thin:@hostname:port:db_name,\
driver=oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver,\
initialCapacity=2,\
maxCapacity=10,\
capacityIncrement=1,\
props=user=;password=;weblogic.codeset=UTF-8

Tuning of parameters initialCapacity, maxCapacity, capacityIncrement are
key. Here's some info for WL 4.5 (you might instead need to search for
6.x docs):

http://www.weblogic.com/docs45/admindocs/properties.html#conpools
http://www.weblogic.com/docs45/techdeploy/jdbcperf.html

The app java code should be managing the allocation and release of
connections within the pool.  It might be this isn't being done properly
within the vendor's code.  Or maybe initialCapacity isn't set high
enough for the application, which is allocated when WL is initially
started, then incremented as-needed as set by capacityIncrement.

Checking v$session for how many connections are created when WL is
started, then monitoring it during application use might help lead you
to an answer.

Suzy


"Deshpande, Kirti" wrote:
> 
> We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic and
> Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are dedicated
> connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection requests
> that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming it on
> the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this load.
> 
> I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection pooling.
> Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not involved in
> this project, and may not get access to the Appl Code. A co-worker is asking
> me all kinds of questions about Listener problems. The Vendor is suggesting
> to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They have already created
> multiple listeners in vain.
> 
> I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know much about Java/EJB etc..
> but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does not smell good. For all I
> know it could be making a db connection for every single thing and
> disconnecting.
> 
> Anyone dealt with similar issues?
> All tips are welcome and appreciated.
> 
> All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone running any of their Web
> Applications?  If so, can you please contact me off-list?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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RE: recording SQLPlus activity

[Craig Munday]

Title: RE: recording SQLPlus activity  





Ray,


The integration problems you seem to be having sounds like the problem is more with the cowboys...errrdevelopers :-)  Or with the processes and procedures in your development group.

I would have thought that with a hundred or so developers it would be more chaotic sharing the same schema.  How will you stop developers interferring with each others work?  I'd be surprised if this schema ever becomes stable.  That is, how will developers know whether the tables/data/code they see in the schema is suppose to be apart of the system, or just apart of something another developer is "trying out"?  How will you stop developers writing code that isn't suppose to be there.

I think having a shared integration area/schema is essential, so long as there are procedures around what gets released to this area.

I believe that you are going to have problems if you let everyone share the same development schema.  Having said that, I would be interested to hear how it turns out for you. 

Cheers,
Craig.
  


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Dennis,
I dont want to create separate working environments for each of the users.  
We have had cases where developers compile programs in their programs and 
which do not work in the real environment, and several other issues.


Ideally, I would like to have everyone work in the same environment, but 
with controls.


Ray




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Date : Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:43:18 -0800



Ray - A couple of things come to mind. First, does each developer have their
own Oracle login? If not, you probably will not be able to tell who did what
anyway.
 What version of Oracle?
 I would consider running the database in ARCHIVELOG mode. Not a bad
idea in a heavy development environment because people are making important
changes and a lot of changes, so while recoverability might not be quite as
important as a full production environment, it is important. A big failure
could affect a lot of people. You can also perform point-in-time recoveries.
If you have archive logs and a recent version of Oracle (8i, I believe), you
can use LogMiner to extract what they are doing / did. It also works against
the online redo logs, so when somebody really bollixes everything up, you
can read the online logs to find the culprit quickly.
 Another source of information that stores less history is to dump the
V$SQLTEXT table. This is also useful to see what queries people are running
against the database. In the long run, you want to make sure they creating
good queries. You can run STATSPACK, capture the SQL each hour, and it also
lists the SQL ordered by resource usage, so you can spot the bad queries
before they migrate to production.
 Yet another consideration is to turn auditing on. You can probably just
turn on a couple of auditing options and get what you need without storing
every minute detail.
Hope these are enough sources of information for you.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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I have just been moved to a group with several hundred developers, and to
say the least the environment is chaotic.


Without putting limits on my developers (such as via READONLY user, etc.),
is there some way that every command that a developer executes using SQLPlus


gets recorded (by userid and time)?


Ray







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RE: Oracle AQ & MQ Series

[Peter . McLarty]

That's probably because they want to sell you Interconnect, it is Oracles 
version of MQ and by linking messaging gateway to AQ you are replicating a 
lot of the base functionality of MQ or Interconnect, ie you have a 
messaging component that can store and manage messages. Keep adding 
appropriate logic and you build a messaging broker. It sorts of spoils 
their pricing fun with these products

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I did the same thing: opened a TAR, asked for a product that has this 
functionality, was told there is no such product, posted some of the doc 
of the messaging GW, TAR was forwarded to the INTERNAL group, and finally 
was told I can use the messaging gateway.
 
I was told it's on a separate cd in 9.01 and is included in 9iR2.
 
What Oracle release did you get it running? what is the name on the CD ?
 
 
Thanks a lot for the feedback,
 
Waleed
 
 
 
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Waleed - 
 
I tried implementing AQ to MQ with the MEssaging Gateway.  I could not 
find anyone at Oracle to support it.  When I would open a TAR, the analyst 
would come back and say 'this is not an Oracle product'.  I finally got it 
escalated to the point that I was talking to the developer of the 
Messaging Gateway component.  He helped me get it running, but after all 
the hassle, we went back and told our application group that we could not 
support the use of AQ in this situation.
 
Hopefully, the product will mature and it can be useable someday.
 
Lisa
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Thanks for the reply. I think what we need is: the Messaging Gateway.
I saw this yesterday and was not sure. So opened a TAR where Oracle 
support told me they can not find anything related to my issue!
 
Here is a link:  
http://otn.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/doc_library/release2/appdev.920/a96587/mgw.htm
 
Thanks
 
Waleed
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Oracle provides an AQ-to-MQ gateway as part of the Integration Server ($). 
 IBM provides a PL/SQL gateway for free (but implemented as an external 
procedure) which can be used to create your own bridge between the 2 
messaging systems. The support pack can be found at 
http://www-3.ibm.com/software/ts/mqseries/txppacs/ma0i.html.
HTH 
Tony Aponte 
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I have an application (informatica) that can read/write to MQ Series. 
We want the tool to be able to read/write to Oracle AQ. 
Do you know of any product that could act as a listener for Oracle AQ to 
provide an interface layer that act similar to MQ Series so that these 
applications that work with MQ could work directly with Oracle AQ? 
Thanks 

Waleed 
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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[MacGregor, Ian A.]

When i 
was stationed with the Navy in Panama.  I got  to store the  
suitcase which CINCLANT  carries around with  him in case the bubble 
goes up.  No,  I couldn't of started World War III.  No 
OCP's  to target.  The trouble was that I had no SIOP 
clearance.  No one stationed in Panama did.    I have a friend 
who served on a frigate that  for a few seconds had both keys  to the 
Nuke ASROC console.  ASROC,  AntiSubmarine ROCket.  is a rocket 
launched  torpedo
 
Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center 
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  -Original Message-From: Cornio, Georgette Ms USACFSC 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 
  2002 3:09 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in 
  Dayton, Ohio..
   
  What 
  BOAT were you on.
   
  I 
  was on the SSBN 618 Thomas Jefferson, for 3 
  yrs, from 1970-1974.
   
  I 
  did my 1st patrol cycle as a driver myself,
   later switched to Fire Control Ballistic, which is where I got 
  started with computers.
   
  I 
  would be the person to launch the Missiles and destroy the 
  world,
   had to have an ESI/SIOP clearance for that,
   still don't know if you are supposed to let people know about 
  them.
   
  Actually got to launch one, with a special Sonar warhead, for a test 
  run.
   
  Now 
  all I get to do is babysit Databases, and develop the programs for 
  them,
   still work with the Federal Government, and the Dept of 
  Army.
   
  Georgette P Cornio
  Former BOOMER
  
-Original Message-From: KENNETH JANUSZ 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 
15:55To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, 
Ohio..
If your background is clean these clearances should be no 
big deal.  When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto 
and COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above 
TS.
 
Ken Janusz, CPIM
Former U.S.N. Submariner

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Khedr, 
  Waleed 
  To: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-L 
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI 
  Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
  
  Another 
  certification!
  
-Original Message-From: Jesse W. Asher 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 
3:15 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed 
in Dayton, Ohio..Very good question!  I've 
wondered the same thing myself!Michael Cupp wrote:
How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government sponsored?

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

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I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

  
  That is not my understanding.

FWIW.  Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
are done for just such access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
base.

OraStaff wrote:
 


Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
 (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
   

  
  -- 
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Khedr, Waleed]

Let's go back to OCP!

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:33 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I would suggest we take this thread off
line as it really is irrelevant with what
this list is for.

Jared, correct me if Im wrong.

Mike

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Get a job requiring the clearance, either as a direct government employee or
as a contractor.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


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> Ohio..
> 
> For the curious around, does anyone know how one would do such a thing?
> 
> RF
> 
> Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
> Oracle Database Architect
> CSX Midtier Database Administration
> Author: Oracle9i New Features 
> Mastering Oracle8i
> 
> Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck?
> Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I
> guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and 
> your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' 
> crazy.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> Don't.  Its not worth the hassle.
> 
> Scott Shafer
> San Antonio, TX
> 210-581-6217
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Michael Cupp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:53 PM
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> > Ohio..
> > 
> > How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be
> > government sponsored?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get
> this
> > clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves
> > you to keep it current.
> > 
> > They used to estimate these clearences were worth
> > an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
> > at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
> > these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
> > Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
> > places around the world due to the fact these clearances
> > are very hard to get.
> > 
> > Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
> > delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
> > where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
> > seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
> > late.
> > 
> > FWIW !
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require
> 
> > a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
> > be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
> > people getting the clearances?!?
> > 
> > Johnson, Michael wrote:
> > 
> > >That is not my understanding.
> > >
> > >FWIW.  Mike
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
> > >so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
> > >Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
> > >Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations
> 
> > >are done for just such access.
> > >
> > >Ian MacGregor
> > >Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
> > >base.
> > >
> > >OraStaff wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > >>Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
> > >>  (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jesse W. Asher
> > 
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
> > safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> > -- 
> > Author: Jesse W. Asher
> >   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051
> > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
> > 
> > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, s

RE: bash: ./genclntsh: bad interpreter: Permission denied

[Surendra . Tirumala]

Pl check the execute permission on the script. I remember I had the same
error message with my bash shell.

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:56 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


ltiu wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Could someone help me decipher the following:
> 
> "sh: ./genclntsh: bad interpreter: Permission denied"
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ltiu

Comes from #!/bin/sh on the first line. You must run some kind of
extraterrestrial Unix where sh is not located under /bin (perhaps
/usr/bin ?). You can insert a line with : _before_ the first one (and
nothing else than : in first column) but if I were you I would simply
create a symbolic link to the true location of sh under /bin.
-- 
Regards,

Stephane Faroult
Oriole Software
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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Johnson, Michael]

I would suggest we take this thread off
line as it really is irrelevant with what
this list is for.

Jared, correct me if Im wrong.

Mike

-Original Message-
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:09 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Get a job requiring the clearance, either as a direct government employee or
as a contractor.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


> -Original Message-
> From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:39 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
> 
> For the curious around, does anyone know how one would do such a thing?
> 
> RF
> 
> Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
> Oracle Database Architect
> CSX Midtier Database Administration
> Author: Oracle9i New Features 
> Mastering Oracle8i
> 
> Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck?
> Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I
> guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and 
> your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' 
> crazy.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:51 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Don't.  Its not worth the hassle.
> 
> Scott Shafer
> San Antonio, TX
> 210-581-6217
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Michael Cupp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:53 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject:RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> > Ohio..
> > 
> > How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be
> > government sponsored?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get
> this
> > clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves
> > you to keep it current.
> > 
> > They used to estimate these clearences were worth
> > an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
> > at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
> > these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
> > Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
> > places around the world due to the fact these clearances
> > are very hard to get.
> > 
> > Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
> > delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
> > where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
> > seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
> > late.
> > 
> > FWIW !
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require
> 
> > a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
> > be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
> > people getting the clearances?!?
> > 
> > Johnson, Michael wrote:
> > 
> > >That is not my understanding.
> > >
> > >FWIW.  Mike
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
> > >so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
> > >Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
> > >Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations
> 
> > >are done for just such access.
> > >
> > >Ian MacGregor
> > >Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
> > >base.
> > >
> > >OraStaff wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > >>Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
> > >>  (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jesse W. Asher
> > 
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
> > safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> > -- 
> > Author: Jesse W. Asher
> >   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
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RE: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Bill Pass]

We are using WebLogic EJB on my current project. We
maintain around 150 connections to the main database
(+ a whole bunch to other data sources) and this
particular aspect of the project works as advertized.
My suspicion is that the person setting up the app
server does not know how to properly configure the
connection pools as was suggested. They have a truely
ugly GUI to do this (although being an old command
line hack I prefer to just look at the config.xml
file).

When configuringn your JDBC connection pools (yeah you
can have multiple, even for the same database) you
specify such things as (this is the tuning list, not
an inclussive list):
DriverName -- we are using the oracle OCI driver so we
can use TAF and CLB
InitialCapacity -- How many connections to create when
the pool is created (defaults to 1)
MaxCapacity -- Maximum number of connections to permit
at any one time (defaults to 1)
CapacityIncrement -- Number of connections to create
at one time when there aren't enough (defaults to 1)
RefreshMinutes -- Number of minutes to wait to test
idle connections for connectivity to the database
(uses the TestTable parameter). Any connection that
fails is recreated
ShrinkingEnabled -- Permits the connection pool to be
shrunk when previously created connections are no
longer needed
ShrinkPeriodMinutes -- Period of time to wait between
checks of idle connections to shrink (assuming
ShrinkingEnabled is set)

Hope this is helpful,
Bill
 
--- DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kirti - I'm hoping you get some really good replies
> to this because it looks
> like I'll be the victim of BEA shortly. Just my
> pessimistic side. I really
> mean to say that the developers will be using
> WebLogic and I'll have to
> figure it out from the Oracle perspective.
> My guess is that WebLogic probably offers
> different options for how it
> handles connection pooling. I located the following
> document on BEA's
> website.
>
http://www.weblogic.com/docs51/classdocs/conn_pools.html
> My guess is that the default settings are being used
> and you just need to
> learn how to adjust them.
> A good JDBC reference that discusses the
> connection pooling options is
> "Java Programming with Oracle JDBC" by Donald Bales.
> It doesn't say much
> about J2EE and EJB and certainly nothing about
> WebLogic configuration, so I
> can't say whether it would apply here or not.
> Again, I hope someone that really understands
> this situation will
> respond. Maybe if they overlook your note, my
> ignorance will irritate them
> into responding.
> 
> Dennis Williams
> DBA, 20% OCP
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:53 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that
> uses BEA WebLogic and
> Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to
> database. These are dedicated
> connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed
> with connection requests
> that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred
> vendor' is blaming it on
> the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable
> of handling this load. 
> 
> I suspect this fine piece of software is not using
> JDBC connection pooling.
> Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the
> case? I am not involved in
> this project, and may not get access to the Appl
> Code. A co-worker is asking
> me all kinds of questions about Listener problems.
> The Vendor is suggesting
> to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They
> have already created
> multiple listeners in vain.  
> 
> I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know
> much about Java/EJB etc..
> but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does
> not smell good. For all I
> know it could be making a db connection for every
> single thing and
> disconnecting. 
> 
> Anyone dealt with similar issues? 
> All tips are welcome and appreciated. 
> 
> All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone
> running any of their Web
> Applications?  If so, can you please contact me
> off-list?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> - Kirti  
> -- 
> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ:
> http://www.orafaq.com
> -- 
> Author: Deshpande, Kirti
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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Cornio, Georgette Ms USACFSC]

 
What 
BOAT were you on.
 
I was 
on the SSBN 618 Thomas Jefferson, for 3 yrs, 
from 1970-1974.
 
I did 
my 1st patrol cycle as a driver myself,
 later switched to Fire Control Ballistic, which is where I got 
started with computers.
 
I 
would be the person to launch the Missiles and destroy the 
world,
 had to have an ESI/SIOP clearance for that,
 still don't know if you are supposed to let people know about 
them.
 
Actually got to launch one, with a special Sonar warhead, for a test 
run.
 
Now 
all I get to do is babysit Databases, and develop the programs for 
them,
 still work with the Federal Government, and the Dept of 
Army.
 
Georgette P Cornio
Former 
BOOMER

  -Original Message-From: KENNETH JANUSZ 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 
  15:55To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, 
  Ohio..
  If your background is clean these clearances should be no 
  big deal.  When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto 
  and COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above 
  TS.
   
  Ken Janusz, CPIM
  Former U.S.N. Submariner
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Khedr, 
Waleed 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 

Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 
PM
Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI 
Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

Another 
certification!

  -Original Message-From: Jesse W. Asher 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 
  3:15 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in 
  Dayton, Ohio..Very good question!  I've 
  wondered the same thing myself!Michael Cupp wrote:
  How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government sponsored?

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

  
That is not my understanding.

FWIW.  Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
are done for just such access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
base.

OraStaff wrote:
 


  Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
 (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
   

  
  -- 
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Scott . Shafer]

Get a job requiring the clearance, either as a direct government employee or
as a contractor.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


> -Original Message-
> From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:39 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
> 
> For the curious around, does anyone know how one would do such a thing?
> 
> RF
> 
> Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
> Oracle Database Architect
> CSX Midtier Database Administration
> Author: Oracle9i New Features 
> Mastering Oracle8i
> 
> Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck?
> Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I
> guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and 
> your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' 
> crazy.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:51 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Don't.  Its not worth the hassle.
> 
> Scott Shafer
> San Antonio, TX
> 210-581-6217
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Michael Cupp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:53 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject:RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> > Ohio..
> > 
> > How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be
> > government sponsored?
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get
> this
> > clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves
> > you to keep it current.
> > 
> > They used to estimate these clearences were worth
> > an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
> > at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
> > these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
> > Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
> > places around the world due to the fact these clearances
> > are very hard to get.
> > 
> > Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
> > delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
> > where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
> > seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
> > late.
> > 
> > FWIW !
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require
> 
> > a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
> > be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
> > people getting the clearances?!?
> > 
> > Johnson, Michael wrote:
> > 
> > >That is not my understanding.
> > >
> > >FWIW.  Mike
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
> > >so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
> > >Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
> > >Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations
> 
> > >are done for just such access.
> > >
> > >Ian MacGregor
> > >Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
> > >base.
> > >
> > >OraStaff wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > >>Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
> > >>  (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jesse W. Asher
> > 
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
> > safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> > -- 
> > Author: Jesse W. Asher
> >   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051
> > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
> > 
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> > command for other information (like subscribing).
> > -- 
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
> > -- 
> > Author: Johnson, Mich

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Johnson, Michael]

If a company or a civilian govt agency wants to hire you
and put you in for one then it will happen, but like the earlier
note said, you have to have a need to have one.

FWIW !

Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Yes to both? Yes to the 1st? Yes to the 2nd? Yes to neither?

It wasn't a Yes/No Question - it was a X or Y question.  Let me ask a more
simple question then - Can a civilian pursue a clearance?

-Original Message-
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:44 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Yes.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Cupp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:12 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
> 
> But can they be pursued by a civilian, or do they have to be gov't 
> sponsored?
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: KENNETH JANUSZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, 
> Ohio..
>   
>   
>   If your background is clean these clearances should be no big deal. 
> When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto and 
> COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above TS.
>
>   Ken Janusz, CPIM
>   Former U.S.N. Submariner
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Khedr, Waleed  
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 PM
>   Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in
Dayton, 
> Ohio..
> 
>   Another certification!
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Jesse W. Asher
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:15 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed
> in Dayton, Ohio..
>   
>   
> 
>   Very good question!  I've wondered the same thing
> myself!
>   
>   Michael Cupp wrote:
>   
> 
>   How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or
> does it have to be government sponsored?
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5
> to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if 
> you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.
>   
>   They used to estimate these clearences were worth
>   an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
>   at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
>   these clearances , whether they be DBAs,
> programmers,
>   Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
>   places around the world due to the fact these
> clearances
>   are very hard to get.
>   
>   Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
>   delay.  The government usually has to approve all
> hires
>   where the individual is not cleared.  From what I
> have
>   seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
>   late.
>   
>   FWIW !
>   
>   Mike
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   
>   I don't understand the large number of positions
> coming out that require 
>   a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can
> all these positions 
>   be filled unless these company/entities start
> footing the bill for 
>   people getting the clearances?!?
>   
>   Johnson, Michael wrote:
>   
> 
> 
>   That is not my understanding.
>   
>   FWIW.  Mike
>

RE: ORACLE API's

[Michael P Sale]

Yea, it's called OEM ;)

In particular check out the EMD that is part of the new iAS product.
This is the future of OEM and in many cases uses shell scripts, perl
scripts, tcl scripts, etc... To find this information. 

The OEM and EMD both have SDKs (emd's just isn't available yet) that
allow you to write applications that use this framework. 

To get to the specifics of your requests, there is no one API that does
all that outside of the EM products, but all of the listener stuff is
available with the lsnrctl utility and Rachel's answers are quite
appropriate.

Regards,

Michael Sale
Author: Oracle9i for Windows(R) 2000 Tips & Techniques
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626


-Original Message-
dighe
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:08 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Rachel,

I just wanted to know if the Oracle provides library
API's for all these tasks. 
Of course providing API's is best way to provide
interface to the outer world.
It is quite easy for any application to open a library
and get the required parameters
using the API's. 

Regards
- Bharat


--- Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> why would you need APIs for that?
> 
> 1) (on unix) ps -ef|grep smon  will tell you the
> instances running on
> the machine
> 
> 2)  ps -ef|grep tnsl will tell you the listeners
> 
> 3) look at listener.ora in either
> $ORACLE_HOME/network/admin or
> /var/opt/oracle and it iwll give you the listener
> details as well as
> ports. Listeners don't listen on IP addresses
> 
> 4)  env|grep ORACLE will give you the listing of the
> current
> ORACLE_HOME
> 
> 5) database user -- in sqlplus from an account with
> select any table:
> 
> select username from dba_users   will give you the
> database users. If
> you want currently connected users, check v$session
> 
> 
> I suggest a short session reading the Concepts and
> Reference manual
> might be in order
> 
> 
> --- bharat dighe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> > 
> > Does oracle provides any API's which can help user
> to
> > discover the information related to oracle setup?
> > These API's can be used for finding out
> > 1. The oracle instances which are up on the
> machine.
> > 2. Listeners which are up and their details.
> > 3. IP adress and port on which the Listener is
> > listening.
> > 4. ORACLE HOME
> > 6. Database users.
> > 
> > etc etc.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > - Bharat
> > 
> > 
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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Thomas Day]

My understanding is that they can be held by civilians but that you cannot
have one unless your job requires it.  Of course, to have that sort of a
job you generally have to already have a clearance.  That's why they're so
valuable in the job market.  It's very hard to get one unless you already
have one.

My experience has been that when you finish a task or job that requires the
clearance, you are debriefed and your clearance goes into a suspense
status.  If you don't find a job that requires an active clearance within
one year then your clearance goes inactive.  If you subsequently find work
in that area then you have to be investigated for the time since you last
had an active clearance.

This is for DOD clearances.  Your milage may vary with other agencies.



   

Scott.Shafer   

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sd.mil   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sent by: rootcc:   

 Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI 
Clearance 
 Needed in Dayton, Ohio..  

06/27/2002 

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Yes.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


> -Original Message-
> From:   Michael Cupp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent:   Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:12 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
>
> But can they be pursued by a civilian, or do they have to be gov't
> sponsored?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: KENNETH JANUSZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
>
>
>If your background is clean these clearances should be no big deal.
> When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto and COMSUBPAC
> Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above TS.
>
>Ken Janusz, CPIM
>Former U.S.N. Submariner
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Khedr, Waleed 
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 PM
> Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in
> Dayton, Ohio..
>
> Another certification!
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Jesse W. Asher
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:15 PM
>  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>  Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed
> in Dayton, Ohio..
>
>
>
>  Very good question!  I've wondered the same thing
> myself!
>
>  Michael Cupp wrote:
>
>
>  How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or
> does it have to be government sponsored?
>
>  -Original Message-
>  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
>  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>  It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5
> to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you
> have one, it behooves you to keep it current.
>
>  They used to estimate these clearences were worth
>  an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
>  at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
>  these clearances , whether they be DBAs,
> programmers,
>  Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
>  places around the world due to the fact these
> clearances
>  are very hard to get.
>
>  Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
>  delay.  The government usually has to approve all
> hires
>  where the individual is not cleared.  From what I
> have
>  seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
>  late.
>
>  FWIW !
>
>  Mik

RE: Upgrade on Windows Question?

[Michael P Sale]

Title: Message



If you need to go to 
8.1.7 I'd stick with 8.1.7.1 with the latest PSE set (8.1.7.3) or go straight to 
8.1.7.4. I am assuming that you are running into no problems and that you will 
have some decent level of testing before implementing 817 in 
production.
Regards,Michael SaleAuthor: 
Oracle9i for Windows(R) 2000 Tips & Techniqueshttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626

  
  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Casey A. JordanSent: 
  Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:51 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: Upgrade on Windows Question?
  I am upgrading from 8.1.6 EE to a 
  supported release on Windows 2000.  My initial thought is to upgrade 
  to 8.1.7.3.  My questions is has anyone had any problems with 8.1.7.3 on 
  Windows, and what would you suggest as the most stable release for 
  Windows.  I am not looking for new features but most 
  reliable.
   
   
  Thanks,
  CAJ
   
   

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Freeman, Robert]

For the curious around, does anyone know how one would do such a thing?

RF

Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
Oracle Database Architect
CSX Midtier Database Administration
Author: Oracle9i New Features 
Mastering Oracle8i    

Clark Griswold: Eddie, has anyone ever told you that you're bad luck?
Cousin Eddie: Those were my mother's dying words. But I
guess if your body's covered in third degree burns, and 
your foot's caught in a bear trap, you tend to start talkin' 
crazy.



-Original Message-
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:51 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Don't.  Its not worth the hassle.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Cupp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:53 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
> 
> How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be
> government sponsored?
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this
> clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves
> you to keep it current.
> 
> They used to estimate these clearences were worth
> an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
> at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
> these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
> Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
> places around the world due to the fact these clearances
> are very hard to get.
> 
> Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
> delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
> where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
> seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
> late.
> 
> FWIW !
> 
> Mike
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> 
> I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
> a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
> be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
> people getting the clearances?!?
> 
> Johnson, Michael wrote:
> 
> >That is not my understanding.
> >
> >FWIW.  Mike
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
> >so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
> >Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
> >Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
> >are done for just such access.
> >
> >Ian MacGregor
> >Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
> >base.
> >
> >OraStaff wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
> >>  (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
> >>
> >>
> 
> -- 
> Jesse W. Asher
> 
> "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
> safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com
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RE: Re: Re:MTS performance is too bad.

[Michael P Sale]

I suspect that if you are getting 4030s with 50 concurrent users that
you will get NO benefit from MTS, in fact it will likely cause just the
problems you are seeing and you will start to get 4030s sooner than you
would have before.

MTS is not appropriate as a tool to address your 4030 errors if the
sessions are not inactive for more than a few seconds. If the concurrent
sessions are very active (check v$session's last_call_et field) and you
are still running into 4030s than MTS will not help you, and can
actually cause a performance hit (CPU) that is scary. The key thing to
remember is that MTS provides SCALABILITY, performance is indirectly
affected if at all.

If you are running into 4030s there are a number of other approaches you
can take as well. Application tuning is the best place to start, but
more often then not, not possible. Then go to the obvious (that others
have mentioned) like using statspack to get a look at the usage of your
buffer cache. In your case you may have to reduce the size of your SGA
to allow for more user space. Don't fall for the buffer cache hit ratio
needs to be x%. If you are in an application env where most blocks are
rarely seen in more than one query then you need a different approach to
buffer cache tuning than hit %. This is a book in and of itself, but
fairly intuitive.

Given that you are stuck with your current application, the very first
thing you also will want to look at is the Orastack utility to reduce
the memory usage of each server process' stack. I have seen DBAs in your
situation have their 4030s resolved with this alone. 

The other is upgrading your OS (or properly setting it) to NT EE or
Win2k AS. This will allow you to use a 3gb process size. If you haven't
done this it will surely fix your memory shortage (at least until you
get another 50 users :)).

You can also scale out by adding more nodes with OPS, although I'd
strongly suggest that you move to 9i before doing this! Finally, you can
use OPS/RAC on a single box, a bit of a fancy trick, but it allows you
to have multiple instances if you have the system memory available.

Ramble, ramble, ramble, for more info you can come to my presenation at
OpenWorld (or just send more info/questions!)

Regards,

Michael Sale
Author: Oracle9i for Windows(R) 2000 Tips & Techniques
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626


-Original Message-
Karadeniz
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:33 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Michael ,

I have tried all of them , but still performance is very bad. When
switch to dedicated mode I get ora:04030..  Have you ever switched to
MTS and seen the same performance , I wonder if you are sure about MTS
performance is good. What ever I did did not give the same performance
as dedicated connections even not approached.

Bunyamin

- Original Message -
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:53 PM


> You really don't need MTS with no more than 50 concurrent users unless

> you
are running into ora-4030s or other memory problems.
>
> When you say performance is a problem, have you check OS swapping of
memory to disk? Your SGA might be too big (with AS and the 3GB switch no
bigger than 3GIG, without the 3GB switch only 2GB) and end up swapping
out to disk.
>
> You also need to make sure that only OLTP users (users with short 
> txns,
NOT long running batch jobs, big updates, etc) are connecting via MTS.
All batch/DSS type users should be connecting via dedicated server. You
can have them specify this in their tnsnames.ora.
>
> That said, your MTS config is WAY out of whack given the number of
concurrent users:
>
> You only need ONE dispatcher to start with. Change dispatchers to 1 
> unless
you have multiple NICs you are working off of for a particular
segmentation of users. (50 dispatchers would be appropriate for about
12,000 Concurrent
users)
>
> If your total number of concurrent OLTP users is truly 50 set your min
servers to 60. Max servers is fine.
>
> You should also set your large pool instead of a massive shared pool, 
> all
kinds of reason for doing this!!
>
> If you have a chance go to borders or barnes and noble, sit down and 
> read
chapter 7 (Oracle Connectivity) of my book "Oracle9i for Windows 2000
Tips & Techniques". It covers the setup, monitoring and basic tuning of
MTS.
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Mike Sale
>
>
>
> >
> > mts_max_servers=750
> > mts_min_servers=100
> > dispatchers=50
> > users total  750
> > users concurrent at most 50
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:58 PM
> >
> >
> >> Bunyamin,
> >>
> >> What is MTS_MAX_SERVERS & MTS_MIN_SERVERS set to?  Also what is
> >>  the total
> >> number of users connecting to the database?
> >>
> >> Dick Goulet
> >>
> >> Reply Separator
> >> Author: "Bunyamin Karadeniz" <[

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[mkb]

Have to add in my 2 cents worth.

I last held a Top Secret clearance with the State Dept
and it expired sometime in 99 when I left the company
that placed me with the State Dept.

Basic requirements are that you have to be a US
citizen and have a 'clean' background.  The TS
investigation goes back 7 years and they want you to
list positions held, places lived, foreign countries
visited, relative information (mother, father...) etc.

A TS can only be obtained if you are working directly
for the federal government, in which case they sponsor
your background check or, a company is willing to hire
you, place you in a federal agency, such as the State
Deparment, and then sponsors your background check. 
All background checks are conducted by DISA I believe
(Defensive Investigative ??? Agency).  During the
investigation period, you are given an interim
clearance which allows you to enter the federal
facility and work on non-classified systems.

Back in '97 when I applied for this via the company
that I worked for, it took about 6-9 months.  I hear
it takes at least a year or more nowdays.

So, in short, no you can't apply as an individual but
only if a company sponsors your or if you are directly
hired by a federeal agency.  Also note that the
company that sponsors you must also have some form of
clearance with the government in case you were
thinking of opening up a company yourself.

hth

mkb


--- Michael Cupp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But can they be pursued by a civilian, or do they
> have to be gov't sponsored?  
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: KENNETH JANUSZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance
> Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
>   
>   
>   If your background is clean these clearances should
> be no big deal.  When I was driving submarines for a
> living I had TS, Crypto and COMSUBPAC Special
> Intelligence clearances.  SI is above TS.
>
>   Ken Janusz, CPIM
>   Former U.S.N. Submariner
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Khedr, Waleed  
> 
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 PM
>   Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance
> Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
> 
>   Another certification!
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Jesse W. Asher
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:15 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance
> Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
>   
>   
> 
>   Very good question!  I've wondered the same thing
> myself!
>   
>   Michael Cupp wrote:
>   
> 
>   How would one begin the process of getting one? 
> Or does it have to be government sponsored?
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   It is my understanding that it currently takes
> 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to
> events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you
> to keep it current.
>   
>   They used to estimate these clearences were
> worth
>   an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im
> thinking
>   at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that
> have
>   these clearances , whether they be DBAs,
> programmers,
>   Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in
> many
>   places around the world due to the fact these
> clearances
>   are very hard to get.
>   
>   Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for
> this
>   delay.  The government usually has to approve
> all hires
>   where the individual is not cleared.  From what
> I have
>   seen the government is in no mood to do this as
> of
>   late.
>   
>   FWIW !
>   
>   Mike
>   
>   -Original Message-
>  

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Michael Cupp]

Yes to both? Yes to the 1st? Yes to the 2nd? Yes to neither?

It wasn't a Yes/No Question - it was a X or Y question.  Let me ask a more simple 
question then - Can a civilian pursue a clearance?

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Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:44 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Yes.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Cupp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:12 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
> 
> But can they be pursued by a civilian, or do they have to be gov't 
> sponsored?
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: KENNETH JANUSZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, 
> Ohio..
>   
>   
>   If your background is clean these clearances should be no big deal. 
> When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto and 
> COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above TS.
>
>   Ken Janusz, CPIM
>   Former U.S.N. Submariner
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Khedr, Waleed  
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 PM
>   Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, 
> Ohio..
> 
>   Another certification!
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Jesse W. Asher
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:15 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed
> in Dayton, Ohio..
>   
>   
> 
>   Very good question!  I've wondered the same thing
> myself!
>   
>   Michael Cupp wrote:
>   
> 
>   How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or
> does it have to be government sponsored?
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5
> to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if 
> you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.
>   
>   They used to estimate these clearences were worth
>   an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
>   at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
>   these clearances , whether they be DBAs,
> programmers,
>   Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
>   places around the world due to the fact these
> clearances
>   are very hard to get.
>   
>   Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
>   delay.  The government usually has to approve all
> hires
>   where the individual is not cleared.  From what I
> have
>   seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
>   late.
>   
>   FWIW !
>   
>   Mike
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   
>   I don't understand the large number of positions
> coming out that require 
>   a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can
> all these positions 
>   be filled unless these company/entities start
> footing the bill for 
>   people getting the clearances?!?
>   
>   Johnson, Michael wrote:
>   
> 
> 
>   That is not my understanding.
>   
>   FWIW.  Mike
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   Actually no one

RE: PL/SQL & Analyze/validate

[kkennedy]

Have you considered "EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'analyze table etc. etc. etc.'"?

Our statistics gathering procedure uses that method quite successfully.  Maybe one day 
I'll get motivated enough and have time to convert to the DBMS_STATS package.

Kevin Kennedy
First Point Energy Corporation 

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:04 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I have been building a PL/SQL block to run an 'analyze table validate
structure cascade' against a subset of tables in one schema of our database
(8.1.7 - daily backup copy of production).  I've initially set this up to
use OPEN_CURSOR . . . PARSE . . . EXECUTE, but was looking for a prepackaged
procedure to perform this step.  After searching the PL/SQL ref guide,
dbms_utility.analyze_part_object appears to be closest but is valid for
partitioned objects only.  Am I out of luck, or am I looking in the wrong
place.

BTW, this is a corrupt block detection routine which needs to run in pieces
as the production copy is refreshed each night.  Running against all tables
in the main schema would require at least 3 days.  Also feel free to remind
me that Export to /dev/null is an adequate test, and maybe I'll believe it
this time ;)

Mike Hand
Polaroid Corp
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Re: Rollback OPTIMAL setting

[Stephen Andert]

Tim, 

I rebuilt the rollback segments without OPTIMAL in one case because the
shrinks were causing ORA-1555's at bad times.  I have a procedure that
is scheduled via DBMS_JOBS to manually shrink the rollback segments to a
preset size.  This runs at what we have found is a relatively quiet time
and has not yet caused an ORA-1555.  

As far as the space wastage goes, this is kept somewhat in control by
the weekly shrink mentioned above.  Also, we simply agreed to have a
bigger RBS tablespace that may be strictly needed and when we showed the
business that the frequency of these errors dropped off the chart,  they
agreed and the cost of a couple of extra GB was not an issue.

While this is not a formula that will be needed (or even work) for
everyone, it worked well for this case.  There is a mix of OLTP users,
batch jobs and reporting/DSS. Some tools that are is use (SAS) will not
allow SET ROLLBACK SEGMENT, so the recommendation to have 1 big rollback
segment that you bring online for specific users didn't work.

I like the ability to control when a rollback segment gets shrunk and
at the same time I don't need to do it.  To me this is a workable
solution.

Stephen 

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/02 11:03AM >>>
I personally prefer to have it set, but I think the reasoning against
setting it has to do with allowing rollback segments to "find
themselves"...  :-)

In other words, it is based on the idea that space allocation (and
deallocation) for rollback segment extents is unnecessary and harmful. 
By not setting OPTIMAL, each rollback segment will grow to a "high-water
mark" (HWM) value and never shrink.  Therefore, no more "overhead
processing" from extent allocation/deallocation...

My argument against this involves space "wastage" and sharply varying
workloads.  If a set of extremely large transactions (i.e. application
conversion process) runs, they will cause the RBs to grow large, and
stay large, even though the transaction mix may never approach the HWM
boundary.  This is a waste of space and a potential failure condition,
as a lack of space may prevent another RBS from growing as it needs in
future.  Without OPTIMAL, they will not shrink automatically -- a DBA
would have to manually intervene and shrink them back.  That may be
acceptable for some folks, but if I can get the database to do something
automatically instead of me monitoring it, I'd prefer automation.

If you prefer to minimize RBS extent allocation/deallocation, set
OPTIMAL quite high -- perhaps quite close to the HWMSIZE readings in
V$ROLLSTAT if you prefer.  If you are constrained for space in the
tablespace containing rollback segments, then it is quite important to
set OPTIMAL to a lower value and simply "suffer" through the extent
allocations/deallocations necessary to conserve space.  If you want to
take the responsibility for monitoring and shrinking RBSs in this
situation manually, well, then to each their own...

Now, we get to the discussion of just how "onerous" extent
allocation/deallocations are.  First of all, such a determination should
be made empirically by monitoring wait-events, V$ROLLSTAT, and
V$WAITSTAT.  If nothing there indicates a problem with the
allocation/deallocation of extents, then why would we worry?  Obviously,
there are conditions when using DICTIONARY-managed tablespaces where it
can be a concern, but even they are easy to fix, once and for all.  If
you put your rollback segments in a UNIFORM-type LOCAL-managed
tablespace, then any concerns about "overhead" from extent
allocations/deallocations are surely unfounded.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fink, Dan 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:13 AM
  Subject: Rollback OPTIMAL setting


  One of the constant comments regarding rollback segments is not to
set optimal. I am wondering why this setting is often discouraged. I
have my own ideas, but I want to gather more opinions and experiences.
  Daniel W. Fink 
  Sr. Oracle DBA 
  MICROMEDEX 
  303.486.6456 



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RE: Re[2]: Re:MTS performance is too bad.

[Michael P Sale]

As of 8i and beyond you can bump that up to 200 users before it returns
benefits, this problem is related to memory issues.

Regards,

Michael Sale
Author: Oracle9i for Windows(R) 2000 Tips & Techniques
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072194626


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Pardon me, but I believe I've read somewhere on MetaStink that if your
database has less than 150 concurrent users you should not bother with
MTS. I've followied that rule of thumb & it does appear correct.

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Author: "Yechiel Adar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   6/27/2002 7:03 AM

Hello Bunyamin

I seem to miss something here.
If you have up to 50 concurrent users why do you use min_servers =100? I
think that you waste a lot of storage this way and this can cause the
computer to page a lot.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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> I agree with you but that will not help me in performance ... Bunyamin
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:28 PM
>
>
> > Bunyamin,
> >
> > You probably only need about 2 dispatchers. I think Oracle suggest 1
> > dispatcher for every 1000 users but that figure seems a little low
to
me,
> > I'd work on the basis of 1 dispatcher for every 500.
> >
> > As for shared servers, work on the basis of 1 for every 10 users.
> >
> > Try this
> >
> > mts_servers = 5
> > mts_max_servers = 10 (increase if needed)
> > dispatchers = 2
> >
> > Ade
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: 27 June 2002 09:18
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > mts_max_servers=750
> > mts_min_servers=100
> > dispatchers=50
> > users total  750
> > users concurrent at most 50
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:58 PM
> >
> >
> > > Bunyamin,
> > >
> > > What is MTS_MAX_SERVERS & MTS_MIN_SERVERS set to?  Also what
is
the
> > total
> > > number of users connecting to the database?
> > >
> > > Dick Goulet
> > >
> > > Reply Separator
> > > Author: "Bunyamin Karadeniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date:   6/26/2002 8:49 AM
> > >
> > > I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to MTS on win2000. But
performance
> is
> > too
> > > bad.
> > > I have 800 MB of shared pool and not setted large_pool_size.
> > > 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max processes.
> > >
> > > What can I do ?  Have you got an idea. How can I check the mts
> > performance?
> > >
> > > Bunyamin
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database
to
MTS
> > on
> > > win2000. But performance is too bad. 
> > > I have 800 MB of shared pool and not
setted
> > > large_pool_size. 
> > > 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750
max
> > processes.
> > >
> > > 
> > >  
> > > What can I do ?  Have you got an
idea.
> > How can
> > >
> > > I check the mts performance?
> > >  
> > > Bunyamin 
> > >
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Re: bash: ./genclntsh: bad interpreter: Permission denied

[Stephane Faroult]

ltiu wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Could someone help me decipher the following:
> 
> "sh: ./genclntsh: bad interpreter: Permission denied"
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ltiu

Comes from #!/bin/sh on the first line. You must run some kind of
extraterrestrial Unix where sh is not located under /bin (perhaps
/usr/bin ?). You can insert a line with : _before_ the first one (and
nothing else than : in first column) but if I were you I would simply
create a symbolic link to the true location of sh under /bin.
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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Scott . Shafer]

Yes.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Cupp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:12 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
> 
> But can they be pursued by a civilian, or do they have to be gov't
> sponsored?  
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: KENNETH JANUSZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
>   
>   
>   If your background is clean these clearances should be no big deal.
> When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto and COMSUBPAC
> Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above TS.
>
>   Ken Janusz, CPIM
>   Former U.S.N. Submariner
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Khedr, Waleed  
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>  
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 PM
>   Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in
> Dayton, Ohio..
> 
>   Another certification!
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Jesse W. Asher
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:15 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed
> in Dayton, Ohio..
>   
>   
> 
>   Very good question!  I've wondered the same thing
> myself!
>   
>   Michael Cupp wrote:
>   
> 
>   How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or
> does it have to be government sponsored?
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5
> to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you
> have one, it behooves you to keep it current.
>   
>   They used to estimate these clearences were worth
>   an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
>   at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
>   these clearances , whether they be DBAs,
> programmers,
>   Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
>   places around the world due to the fact these
> clearances
>   are very hard to get.
>   
>   Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
>   delay.  The government usually has to approve all
> hires
>   where the individual is not cleared.  From what I
> have
>   seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
>   late.
>   
>   FWIW !
>   
>   Mike
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   
>   I don't understand the large number of positions
> coming out that require 
>   a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can
> all these positions 
>   be filled unless these company/entities start
> footing the bill for 
>   people getting the clearances?!?
>   
>   Johnson, Michael wrote:
>   
> 
> 
>   That is not my understanding.
>   
>   FWIW.  Mike
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets
> can admit to doing 
>   so :) One can say you have been the subject of a
> Special Backgroud 
>   Investigation, and Extensive Background
> Investigation, a Full Field 
>   Investigation even though 99. times out of 100
> these investi

Upgrade on Windows Question?

[Casey A. Jordan]

I am upgrading from 8.1.6 EE to a 
supported release on Windows 2000.  My initial thought is to upgrade 
to 8.1.7.3.  My questions is has anyone had any problems with 8.1.7.3 on 
Windows, and what would you suggest as the most stable release for 
Windows.  I am not looking for new features but most reliable.
 
 
Thanks,
CAJ
 
 

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Scott . Shafer]

Don't.  Its not worth the hassle.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Cupp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:53 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
> 
> How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be
> government sponsored?
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this
> clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves
> you to keep it current.
> 
> They used to estimate these clearences were worth
> an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
> at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
> these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
> Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
> places around the world due to the fact these clearances
> are very hard to get.
> 
> Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
> delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
> where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
> seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
> late.
> 
> FWIW !
> 
> Mike
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> 
> I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
> a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
> be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
> people getting the clearances?!?
> 
> Johnson, Michael wrote:
> 
> >That is not my understanding.
> >
> >FWIW.  Mike
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
> >so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
> >Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
> >Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
> >are done for just such access.
> >
> >Ian MacGregor
> >Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
> >base.
> >
> >OraStaff wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
> >>  (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
> >>
> >>
> 
> -- 
> Jesse W. Asher
> 
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Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[KENNETH JANUSZ]

Title: Message



I don't know I was in the USN at the time.  Naval 
Intelligence did my background check, etc.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michael 
  Cupp 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:11 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI 
  Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
  
  But 
  can they be pursued by a civilian, or do they have to be gov't 
  sponsored?  
  

-Original Message-From: KENNETH JANUSZ 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, 
Ohio..
If your background is clean these clearances should be no 
big deal.  When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto 
and COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above 
TS.
 
Ken Janusz, CPIM
Former U.S.N. Submariner

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Khedr, 
  Waleed 
  To: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-L 
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI 
  Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
  
  Another 
  certification!
  
-Original Message-From: Jesse W. Asher 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 
3:15 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed 
in Dayton, Ohio..Very good question!  I've 
wondered the same thing myself!Michael Cupp wrote:
How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government sponsored?

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

  
  That is not my understanding.

FWIW.  Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
are done for just such access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
base.

OraStaff wrote:
 


Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
 (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
   

  
  -- 
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Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[KENNETH JANUSZ]

You should see what we were watching!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Farnsworth, Dave 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:17 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI 
  Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
  
  Uncle Larry is watching you.
  
-Original Message-From: KENNETH JANUSZ 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:55 
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, 
Ohio..
If your background is clean these clearances should be no 
big deal.  When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto 
and COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above 
TS.
 
Ken Janusz, CPIM
Former U.S.N. Submariner

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Khedr, 
  Waleed 
  To: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-L 
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI 
  Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
  
  Another 
  certification!
  
-Original Message-From: Jesse W. Asher 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 
3:15 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed 
in Dayton, Ohio..Very good question!  I've 
wondered the same thing myself!Michael Cupp wrote:
How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government sponsored?

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

  
  That is not my understanding.

FWIW.  Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
are done for just such access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
base.

OraStaff wrote:
 


Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
 (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
   

  
  -- 
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

Michael - My experience (admittedly small) is that the job comes first. Your
prospective employer will hire you in the expectation that you will receive
the appropriate clearances. You might wind up studying manuals
(non-classified) for a month until you receive a clearance. The employer
factors this into the cost of doing business. If money is tight, and there
are two equally qualified candidates and one already had the clearance, that
might influence them.
 I would seriously doubt that you could acquire the clearances on your
own because:
1. HR professionals at a company specialize in filing the appropriate
paperwork and shepherding you through the process.
2. The government investigation people would be reluctant to spend their
time in the speculation that you might get a job sometime in the future.
Some investigations involve visiting places you've lived in the past and
interviewing people that knew you in the past.
3. Self-promoted clearance smells wrong. What is this guy trying to pull?
Law enforcement suspicion.
I could be all wet, and if so I expect somebody on the list will call me on
it.
Dennis Williams 
DBA 
Lifetouch, Inc. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:12 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


But can they be pursued by a civilian, or do they have to be gov't
sponsored?  

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


If your background is clean these clearances should be no big deal.  When I
was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto and COMSUBPAC Special
Intelligence clearances.  SI is above TS.
 
Ken Janusz, CPIM
Former U.S.N. Submariner

- Original Message - 
To: Multiple recipients of list   ORACLE-L 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 PM

Another certification!

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:15 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



Very good question!  I've wondered the same thing myself!

Michael Cupp wrote:


How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be
government sponsored?



-Original Message-

Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM

To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L





It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this
clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you
to keep it current.



They used to estimate these clearences were worth

an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking

at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have

these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,

Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many

places around the world due to the fact these clearances

are very hard to get.



Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this

delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires

where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have

seen the government is in no mood to do this as of

late.



FWIW !



Mike



-Original Message-

Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM

To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L







I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 

a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 

be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 

people getting the clearances?!?



Johnson, Michael wrote:



  

That is not my understanding.



FWIW.  Mike



-Original Message-

Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM

To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L





Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 

so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 

Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 

Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 

are done for just such access.



Ian MacGregor

Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  





-Original Message-

Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM

To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L





I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 

base.



OraStaff wrote:

 





Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance

 (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required

   



  



  


-- 

Jesse W. Asher



"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary

safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin




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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Farnsworth, Dave]

Uncle 
Larry is watching you.

  -Original Message-From: KENNETH JANUSZ 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:55 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
  If your background is clean these clearances should be no 
  big deal.  When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto 
  and COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above 
  TS.
   
  Ken Janusz, CPIM
  Former U.S.N. Submariner
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Khedr, 
Waleed 
To: Multiple 
recipients of list ORACLE-L 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 
PM
Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI 
Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

Another 
certification!

  -Original Message-From: Jesse W. Asher 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 
  3:15 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in 
  Dayton, Ohio..Very good question!  I've 
  wondered the same thing myself!Michael Cupp wrote:
  How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government sponsored?

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

  
That is not my understanding.

FWIW.  Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
are done for just such access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
base.

OraStaff wrote:
 


  Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
 (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
   

  
  -- 
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Michael Cupp]

Title: Message



But 
can they be pursued by a civilian, or do they have to be gov't sponsored?  


  
  -Original Message-From: KENNETH JANUSZ 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
  If your background is clean these clearances should be no 
  big deal.  When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto 
  and COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above 
  TS.
   
  Ken Janusz, CPIM
  Former U.S.N. Submariner
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Khedr, 
Waleed 
To: Multiple 
recipients of list ORACLE-L 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 
PM
Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI 
Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

Another 
certification!

  -Original Message-From: Jesse W. Asher 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 
  3:15 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in 
  Dayton, Ohio..Very good question!  I've 
  wondered the same thing myself!Michael Cupp wrote:
  How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government sponsored?

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

  
That is not my understanding.

FWIW.  Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
are done for just such access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
base.

OraStaff wrote:
 


  Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
 (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
   

  
  -- 
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin


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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Scott . Shafer]

And then you could have a background like mine which made it rather
painful...

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217


> -Original Message-
> From: KENNETH JANUSZ [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:55 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
> 
> If your background is clean these clearances should be no big deal.  When
> I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto and COMSUBPAC
> Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above TS.
>  
> Ken Janusz, CPIM
> Former U.S.N. Submariner
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Khedr, Waleed  
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>  
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 PM
>   Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton,
> Ohio..
> 
>   Another certification!
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Jesse W. Asher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:15 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   Subject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in
> Dayton, Ohio..
>   
>   
> 
>   Very good question!  I've wondered the same thing myself!
>   
>   Michael Cupp wrote:
>   
> 
>   How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or
> does it have to be government sponsored?
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5
> to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you
> have one, it behooves you to keep it current.
>   
>   They used to estimate these clearences were worth
>   an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
>   at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
>   these clearances , whether they be DBAs,
> programmers,
>   Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
>   places around the world due to the fact these
> clearances
>   are very hard to get.
>   
>   Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
>   delay.  The government usually has to approve all
> hires
>   where the individual is not cleared.  From what I
> have
>   seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
>   late.
>   
>   FWIW !
>   
>   Mike
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   
>   I don't understand the large number of positions
> coming out that require 
>   a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can
> all these positions 
>   be filled unless these company/entities start
> footing the bill for 
>   people getting the clearances?!?
>   
>   Johnson, Michael wrote:
>   
> 
> 
>   That is not my understanding.
>   
>   FWIW.  Mike
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>   
>   
>   Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets
> can admit to doing 
>   so :) One can say you have been the subject of a
> Special Backgroud 
>   Investigation, and Extensive Background
> Investigation, a Full Field 
>   Investigation even though 99. times out of 100
> these investigations 
>   are done for just such access.
>   
>   Ian MacGregor
>   Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
>   To: Multiple reci

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[johanna . doran]

UH oh you allowed to tell us that?  .

 


 
>  -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@SUNGARD   On Behalf Of "KENNETH JANUSZ" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:55 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:  Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
> 
> 
> If your background is clean these clearances should be no big  deal.  When I was 
>driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto and  COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence 
>clearances.  SI is above TS.
>  
> Ken Janusz, CPIM
> Former U.S.N. Submariner
> - Original Message - 
> From:  Khedr,  Waleed
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PL/SQL & Analyze/validate

[Hand, Michael T]

I have been building a PL/SQL block to run an 'analyze table validate
structure cascade' against a subset of tables in one schema of our database
(8.1.7 - daily backup copy of production).  I've initially set this up to
use OPEN_CURSOR . . . PARSE . . . EXECUTE, but was looking for a prepackaged
procedure to perform this step.  After searching the PL/SQL ref guide,
dbms_utility.analyze_part_object appears to be closest but is valid for
partitioned objects only.  Am I out of luck, or am I looking in the wrong
place.

BTW, this is a corrupt block detection routine which needs to run in pieces
as the production copy is refreshed each night.  Running against all tables
in the main schema would require at least 3 days.  Also feel free to remind
me that Export to /dev/null is an adequate test, and maybe I'll believe it
this time ;)

Mike Hand
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Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[KENNETH JANUSZ]

If your background is clean these clearances should be no big 
deal.  When I was driving submarines for a living I had TS, Crypto and 
COMSUBPAC Special Intelligence clearances.  SI is above TS.
 
Ken Janusz, CPIM
Former U.S.N. Submariner

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Khedr, 
  Waleed 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:30 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI 
  Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..
  
  Another 
  certification!
  
-Original Message-From: Jesse W. Asher 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 
3:15 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in 
Dayton, Ohio..Very good question!  I've 
wondered the same thing myself!Michael Cupp wrote:
How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government sponsored?

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

  
  That is not my understanding.

FWIW.  Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
are done for just such access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
base.

OraStaff wrote:
 


Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
 (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
   

  
  -- 
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin

Re: Things to do when writing scripts in the Korn Shell

[Alex]

Anna Kornikova

On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Jenkins, Michael - EDS wrote:

> Just some humor to pass the day.  Top things you can do while writing
> scripts in the Korn Shell:
>
> *  Listen to a Korn CD
> *  Eat some popKorn
> *  Munch on a roasted ear of Korn
> *  Rub the Korns on your feet
> *  Have a Cream Korn fight with your mate in the next cube.
> *  See how many Korn Chips you can burn in a glass ashtray before it expodes
> from the heat.
>
> Ok, so I had two seconds to think of these things as I was listening the new
> Korn CD, writing a Korn Shell script.
>
> --Michael
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RE: Example of AND-EQUALS

[Khedr, Waleed]

AND_EQUAL
The AND_EQUAL hint explicitly chooses an execution plan that uses an access
path
that merges the scans on several single-column indexes. The syntax of the
AND_
EQUAL hint is:


Look at ch7 in Oracle8i Designing and Tuning for Performance 

Regards,

Waleed

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Hi all,

Struggling w/Oracle Support over a possible BUG on 8.1.6.0.0 and Solaris 2.8
where the shared pool can become fragmented by statements which have
"AND-EQUALS" access.  This has the effect of eventually hitting ORA-4031s.

Can someone explain what an "AND-EQUALS" access would be?  I assume it would
be a path chosen by the optimizer, but I can't find any mention of it on
Tahiti.  Perhaps provide an example?

TIA!

Rich Jesse   System/Database Administrator
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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Khedr, Waleed]

Another 
certification!

  -Original Message-From: Jesse W. Asher 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:15 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, 
  Ohio..Very good question!  I've wondered the 
  same thing myself!Michael Cupp wrote:
  How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government sponsored?

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

  
That is not my understanding.

FWIW.  Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
are done for just such access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
base.

OraStaff wrote:
 


  Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
 (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
   

  
  -- 
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin

RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[MacGregor, Ian A.]

What is important is having been investigated and that the investigation is current.   
Each agency will evaluate the applicant for clearance.  Having  been given some SCI 
tickets is no guarantee that  you will be allowed access to others.  Lie detector 
tests were quickly becoming de rigeur for  these clearances outside the military.


SLAC does no classified work whatsoever, and I hold no security clearances.  I do on 
occasion read Aviation Leak :)   

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:35 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years
to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11.
So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

>That is not my understanding.
>
>FWIW.  Mike
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing so :)
>One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud Investigation,
>and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field Investigation even
>though 99. times out of 100 these investigations are done for just such
>access.
>
>Ian MacGregor
>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force base.
>
>OraStaff wrote:
>  
>
>>Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
>>  (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
>>
>>

-- 
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin



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Example of AND-EQUALS

[Jesse, Rich]

Hi all,

Struggling w/Oracle Support over a possible BUG on 8.1.6.0.0 and Solaris 2.8
where the shared pool can become fragmented by statements which have
"AND-EQUALS" access.  This has the effect of eventually hitting ORA-4031s.

Can someone explain what an "AND-EQUALS" access would be?  I assume it would
be a path chosen by the optimizer, but I can't find any mention of it on
Tahiti.  Perhaps provide an example?

TIA!

Rich Jesse   System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA
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Re: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Jesse W. Asher]

Very good question!  I've wondered the same thing myself!

Michael Cupp wrote:

  How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government sponsored?

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

  
  
That is not my understanding.

FWIW.  Mike

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
are done for just such access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
base.

OraStaff wrote:
 



  Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
 (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
   

  

  
  
  


-- 
Jesse W. Asher

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."  - Benjamin Franklin

RE: Oracle AQ & MQ Series

[Khedr, Waleed]

Title: RE: Oracle AQ & MQ Series



I did the same 
thing: opened a TAR, asked for a product that has this functionality, was told 
there is no such product, posted some of the doc of the messaging GW, TAR was 
forwarded to the INTERNAL group, and finally was told I can use the messaging 
gateway.
 
I was told it's 
on a separate cd in 9.01 and is included in 9iR2.
 
What Oracle 
release did you get it running? what is the name on the CD 
?
 
 
Thanks a lot for 
the feedback,
 
Waleed
 
 
 

  -Original Message-From: YTTRI Lisa 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:35 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
  Oracle AQ & MQ Series
  Waleed - 
   
  I 
  tried implementing AQ to MQ with the MEssaging Gateway.  I could not find 
  anyone at Oracle to support it.  When I would open a TAR, the analyst 
  would come back and say 'this is not an Oracle product'.  I finally got 
  it escalated to the point that I was talking to the developer of the Messaging 
  Gateway component.  He helped me get it running, but after all the 
  hassle, we went back and told our application group that we could not support 
  the use of AQ in this situation.
   
  Hopefully, the product will mature and it can be useable 
  someday.
   
  Lisa
  
-Original Message-From: Khedr, Waleed 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:03 
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
Oracle AQ & MQ Series
Thanks for the reply. I think what we need is: the Messaging 
Gateway.
I 
saw this yesterday and was not sure. So opened a TAR where Oracle support 
told me they can not find anything related to my issue!
 
Here is a link:  http://otn.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/doc_library/release2/appdev.920/a96587/mgw.htm
 
Thanks
 
Waleed

  -Original Message-From: Aponte, Tony 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:30 
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  RE: Oracle AQ & MQ Series
  Oracle provides an AQ-to-MQ gateway as part of the 
  Integration Server ($).  IBM provides a PL/SQL gateway for free (but 
  implemented as an external procedure) which can be used to create your own 
  bridge between the 2 messaging systems. The support pack can be found at 
  http://www-3.ibm.com/software/ts/mqseries/txppacs/ma0i.html.
  HTH Tony Aponte 
  -Original Message- From: 
  Khedr, Waleed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 4:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Oracle AQ & MQ Series 
  I have an application (informatica) that can read/write to 
  MQ Series. We want the tool to be able to 
  read/write to Oracle AQ. 
  Do you know of any product that could act as a listener 
  for Oracle AQ to provide an interface layer that 
  act similar to MQ Series so that these applications that work with MQ could work directly with Oracle 
  AQ? 
  Thanks 
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Re: Career Opportunities Announcement

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OK
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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Michael Cupp]

How would one begin the process of getting one?  Or does it have to be government 
sponsored?

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It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years to get this clearence 
mainly due to events of 9/11. So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

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I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

>That is not my understanding.
>
>FWIW.  Mike
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing 
>so :) One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud 
>Investigation, and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field 
>Investigation even though 99. times out of 100 these investigations 
>are done for just such access.
>
>Ian MacGregor
>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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>
>I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force 
>base.
>
>OraStaff wrote:
>  
>
>>Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
>>  (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
>>
>>

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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Johnson, Michael]

In some cases this is true.
It all depends on the government agency.

FWIW.

Mike

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I think that test includes a polygraph exam.  :-|

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That's what I was wondering too! 
Are there any Cram books for this one? 
Wonder if Oracle would offer that test too... some day ;-)) After OCM, they
may need something new :))


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Where can I take the " Top Secret clearance" certification exam

At 03:53 PM 6/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:
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RE: Oracle AQ & MQ Series

[YTTRI Lisa]

Title: RE: Oracle AQ & MQ Series



Waleed - 
 
I 
tried implementing AQ to MQ with the MEssaging Gateway.  I could not find 
anyone at Oracle to support it.  When I would open a TAR, the analyst would 
come back and say 'this is not an Oracle product'.  I finally got it 
escalated to the point that I was talking to the developer of the Messaging 
Gateway component.  He helped me get it running, but after all the hassle, 
we went back and told our application group that we could not support the use 
of AQ in this situation.
 
Hopefully, the product will mature and it can be useable 
someday.
 
Lisa

  -Original Message-From: Khedr, Waleed 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:03 
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  Oracle AQ & MQ Series
  Thanks for the reply. I think what we need is: the Messaging 
  Gateway.
  I 
  saw this yesterday and was not sure. So opened a TAR where Oracle support told 
  me they can not find anything related to my issue!
   
  Here 
  is a link:  http://otn.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/doc_library/release2/appdev.920/a96587/mgw.htm
   
  Thanks
   
  Waleed
  
-Original Message-From: Aponte, Tony 
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PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
Oracle AQ & MQ Series
Oracle provides an AQ-to-MQ gateway as part of the 
Integration Server ($).  IBM provides a PL/SQL gateway for free (but 
implemented as an external procedure) which can be used to create your own 
bridge between the 2 messaging systems. The support pack can be found at http://www-3.ibm.com/software/ts/mqseries/txppacs/ma0i.html.
HTH Tony Aponte 
-Original Message- From: 
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I have an application (informatica) that can read/write to 
MQ Series. We want the tool to be able to read/write 
to Oracle AQ. 
Do you know of any product that could act as a listener for 
Oracle AQ to provide an interface layer that act 
similar to MQ Series so that these applications that 
work with MQ could work directly with Oracle AQ? 
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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Johnson, Michael]

It is my understanding that it currently takes 1.5 to 2 years
to get this clearence mainly due to events of 9/11.
So, if you have one, it behooves you to keep it current.

They used to estimate these clearences were worth
an additional $10K a year for salary.   Im thinking
at least $25K now.Alot of  my friends that have
these clearances , whether they be DBAs, programmers,
Sys. Ads. etc, have standing offers for work in many
places around the world due to the fact these clearances
are very hard to get.

Also,  the companies will not foot the bill for this
delay.  The government usually has to approve all hires
where the individual is not cleared.  From what I have
seen the government is in no mood to do this as of
late.

FWIW !

Mike

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I don't understand the large number of positions coming out that require 
a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret clearance.  How can all these positions 
be filled unless these company/entities start footing the bill for 
people getting the clearances?!?

Johnson, Michael wrote:

>That is not my understanding.
>
>FWIW.  Mike
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:35 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Actually no one who has been holds any SCI tickets can admit to doing so :)
>One can say you have been the subject of a Special Backgroud Investigation,
>and Extensive Background Investigation, a Full Field Investigation even
>though 99. times out of 100 these investigations are done for just such
>access.
>
>Ian MacGregor
>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
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>
>I suspect that this position will be at Wright-Patterson Air Force base.
>
>OraStaff wrote:
>  
>
>>Position: Oracle DBA with Top Secret SCI Clearance
>>  (Please do not send your resume unless you have the required
>>
>>

-- 
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Oracle to buy part of HP....

[Ron Rogers]

>From the searchdatabase site. 
Is Oracle trying to corral all corners of the market??
==
ELLISON CONFIRMS INTEREST IN HP'S MIDDLEWARE | IDG
Oracle CEO Larry Ellison confirmed that his company is talking to
Hewlett-Packard about buying all or part of HP's middleware business.
Ellison said buying out HP would be 'tiny' compared to its recent
purchase of WebGain's developer tools. HP's middleware line includes
a J2EE application server, a transaction server, a messaging server,
various XML tools, its eSpeak software for building network-based
services and its Process Manager business-modeling tool. Ellison said
Oracle doesn't need another app server; its 9i is doing just fine. 

For the full details, click:
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,72266,00.html


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ROR  mô¿ôm
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RE: report showing free space per tablespace over time

[Hately Mike]

Hi,
on the subject of graphing tools there's a tool on technet called Chart
Builder. This is the blurb:

Oracle Chart Builder is a real-time Java charting API (Java Bean). It
enables more effective communication and analysis of information for
business graphics and performance applications. Chart Builder generates
charts in a fraction of a second, supports time series data, and delivers
interactive and dynamic charts. Chart Builder charts can be deployed in Java
applications, Java applets, JavaServer Pages (JSP), servlets, and through
HTML. Chart Builder's speed, automated layout, and image generation
capabilities make it ideal for online applications.

It sounds like it would support the kind of graphing you need to do. It's
under the "JSP Engine" download section.
I haven't played with it except for a quick experiment last year so I can't
give you any detail.

Regards,
Mike Hately


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Kevin,

thanks for the input. Gotta have space over time.

I toyed with the idea of putting this in a webpage so
people would look instead of ask too - just haven't
had time yet. 

what did you use for your graphing tool? 

And you can see how I assigned the dates to the column
headers - kind of clunky, but works. Do you have
another take on how to do this?

thx,

jack




 

 

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RE: Forms Question

[Michael Cupp]

I'm running 6, how would I go about it?

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It is in forms 5 and 6

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Is it possible to order by a non-base table item in a form?


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Tuning NON-network client-server communication

[Tim Bunce]

Is there any scope for tuning NON-network client-server communication?

Where the client and Oracle server are on the same machine and don't
communicate via the network?

Are Net8 tuning parameters like SDU size still relevant?

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RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

[johanna . doran]

Title: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again






Wow, I guess Tom Hanks was right!  All of the the answers to life  CAN be found in the Godfather!




hehehehehhe





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RE: Things to do when writing scripts in the Korn Shell

[Whittle Jerome Contr NCI]

Title: RE: Things to do when writing scripts in the Korn Shell






Tell Korny jokes.


Jerry Whittle

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Just some humor to pass the day.  Top things you can do while writing

scripts in the Korn Shell:


*  Listen to a Korn CD

*  Eat some popKorn

*  Munch on a roasted ear of Korn

*  Rub the Korns on your feet

*  Have a Cream Korn fight with your mate in the next cube.

*  See how many Korn Chips you can burn in a glass ashtray before it expodes

from the heat.


Ok, so I had two seconds to think of these things as I was listening the new

Korn CD, writing a Korn Shell script.  


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Re: Rollback OPTIMAL setting

[Tim Gorman]

I personally prefer to have it set, but I think the 
reasoning against setting it has to do with allowing rollback segments to "find 
themselves"...  :-)
 
In other words, it is based on the idea that space 
allocation (and deallocation) for rollback segment extents is unnecessary and 
harmful.  By not setting OPTIMAL, each rollback segment will grow to a 
"high-water mark" (HWM) value and never shrink.  Therefore, no more 
"overhead processing" from extent allocation/deallocation...
 
My argument against this involves space "wastage" 
and sharply varying workloads.  If a set of extremely large transactions 
(i.e. application conversion process) runs, they will cause the RBs to grow 
large, and stay large, even though the transaction mix may never approach the 
HWM boundary.  This is a waste of space and a potential failure condition, 
as a lack of space may prevent another RBS from growing as it needs in 
future.  Without OPTIMAL, they will not shrink automatically -- a DBA would 
have to manually intervene and shrink them back.  That may be acceptable 
for some folks, but if I can get the database to do something 
automatically instead of me monitoring it, I'd prefer 
automation.
 
If you prefer to minimize RBS extent 
allocation/deallocation, set OPTIMAL quite high -- perhaps quite close to the 
HWMSIZE readings in V$ROLLSTAT if you prefer.  If you are constrained for 
space in the tablespace containing rollback segments, then it is quite important 
to set OPTIMAL to a lower value and simply "suffer" through the extent 
allocations/deallocations necessary to conserve space.  If you want to take 
the responsibility for monitoring and shrinking RBSs in this situation manually, 
well, then to each their own...
 
Now, we get to the discussion of just how "onerous" 
extent allocation/deallocations are.  First of all, such a determination 
should be made empirically by monitoring wait-events, V$ROLLSTAT, and 
V$WAITSTAT.  If nothing there indicates a problem with the 
allocation/deallocation of extents, then why would we worry?  Obviously, 
there are conditions when using DICTIONARY-managed tablespaces where it can be a 
concern, but even they are easy to fix, once and for all.  If you put your 
rollback segments in a UNIFORM-type LOCAL-managed tablespace, then any concerns 
about "overhead" from extent allocations/deallocations are surely 
unfounded.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:13 
  AM
  Subject: Rollback OPTIMAL setting
  
  One of the 
  constant comments regarding rollback segments is not to set optimal. I am 
  wondering why this setting is often discouraged. I have my own ideas, but I 
  want to gather more opinions and experiences.
  Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 
   

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

[Hately Mike]

Waleed,
Without wanting to cause offence here (honestly!) I couldn't disagree more
with this.
At least in the UK right now the Oracle job market is VERY tight. We already
have to compete with people padding their CVs and bluffing their way into
interviews (a practice which I'm pathologically incapable of). There is a
genuine demand for those 3 letters on a CV. 
Agencies are getting 200 applications for each job. Talent does not make you
stand out from the crowd.
At least a couple of times in the VERY recent past I've gone through my CV
with recruiters and they've been pleased that I'm certified because it's in
the job spec. that they've been given. 
Maybe in easier times it's possible to rely on your ability. I agree that in
a perfect world that would always be the case. These are dark days though
and you have to use EVERYTHING. If you can't get into an interview you can't
prove your skills. 


Kevin,
I sympathise totally. These are hard times. I think you have to decide
whether the outlay's worth it on a commercial basis rather than an
intellectual one. I don't care how much the certification is devalued if it
makes the difference between missing and getting an interview. For what it's
worth my total outlay for 7.3, 8, 8i and 9i has been the cost of the 7 exams
(discounted because I was a Technet member) and a 9i New Features book. I
took the exams over lunch. And I think I've had my money's worth.


Finally re. HR departments and agencies. They won't work harder than they
need to. Why would they? They deal with hundreds of different sets of
skills. Why would they care if 8.1.6 is 8i? They'll do a pattern match and
phone the best matches. Hell, I'd do the same myself. The alternative is
painstaking and (at least for agencies) would ensure they went out of
business. 

It's nearing the end of the day here. If you were geographically closer I'd
buy you all a drink.

regards to all,
Mike


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So as long you have the confidence that you can market yourself and your
skills then certification means nothing but if you have nothing to sell then
probably buying a certificate could help.

Regards,

Waleed




 

 

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Re: Things to do when writing scripts in the Korn Shell

[Suzy Vordos]

David Korn meets KoRn
http://www.kornshell.com/fun/

"Jenkins, Michael - EDS" wrote:
> 
> Just some humor to pass the day.  Top things you can do while writing
> scripts in the Korn Shell:
> 
> *  Listen to a Korn CD
> *  Eat some popKorn
> *  Munch on a roasted ear of Korn
> *  Rub the Korns on your feet
> *  Have a Cream Korn fight with your mate in the next cube.
> *  See how many Korn Chips you can burn in a glass ashtray before it expodes
> from the heat.
> 
> Ok, so I had two seconds to think of these things as I was listening the new
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RE: report showing free space per tablespace over time

[kkennedy]

Can't recall the name of the graphing tool I used.  I selected it because my client 
was already using it for something else.  I don't remember being thrilled with it, but 
it did the job.

As I said before, I used the Kevin Loney scripts originally poached from the Oracle 7 
DBA Handbook.  Column headers are not fancy:

column week4 format 999 heading "1Wk|Ago"
column week3 format 999 heading "2Wks|Ago"
column week2 format 999 heading "3Wks|Ago"
column week1 format 999 heading "4Wks|Ago"

and neither is data selection (one example):

select
spaces.db_nm,
spaces.ts,
max(decode(spaces.check_date, trunc(sysdate-28),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0)) week1,
max(decode(spaces.check_date, trunc(sysdate-21),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0)) week2,
max(decode(spaces.check_date, trunc(sysdate-14),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0)) week3,
max(decode(spaces.check_date, trunc(sysdate-7),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0)) week4,
max(decode(spaces.check_date, trunc(sysdate),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0)) today,
max(decode(spaces.check_date, trunc(sysdate),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0)) -
max(decode(spaces.check_date, trunc(sysdate-28),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0)) change
from spaces, files_ts_view ftv
where spaces.db_nm = ftv.db_nm  /*same database name*/
and spaces.ts = ftv.ts  /*same tablespace name*/
and spaces.check_date = ftv.check_date  /*same check date*/
and exists  /*does ts still exist?*/
(select 'x' from spaces x
where x.db_nm = spaces.db_nm
and x.ts = spaces.ts
and x.check_date = trunc(sysdate))
group by
spaces.db_nm,
spaces.ts
order by spaces.db_nm,
decode(spaces.ts,'RBS',1,'TEMP',2,0),
decode(
max(decode(spaces.check_date,trunc(sysdate),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0)) -
max(decode(spaces.check_date, trunc(sysdate-28),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0)),0,,
max(decode(spaces.check_date,trunc(sysdate),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0)) -
max(decode(spaces.check_date, trunc(sysdate-28),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0))),
max(decode(spaces.check_date,trunc(sysdate),
round(100*sum_free_blocks/sum_file_blocks),0))

Ok, so it's pretty obvious that there is room for code clarification and/or 
improvement.  But, it works fine and I've got other fish to fry.  Besides, the only 
documentation I have to write is to refer people to the Oracle Press/Osborne/McGraw 
Hill bookshelf 8-)

Kevin Kennedy
First Point Energy Corporation 

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Kevin,

thanks for the input. Gotta have space over time.

I toyed with the idea of putting this in a webpage so
people would look instead of ask too - just haven't
had time yet. 

what did you use for your graphing tool? 

And you can see how I assigned the dates to the column
headers - kind of clunky, but works. Do you have
another take on how to do this?

thx,

jack




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> Hi Jack,
> 
> That looks like a good tool.  Personally, for about
> the last 5 years, I've been using an adaptation of
> the command center database described in the Oracle
> 7(& later) DBA Handbook using cron as my scheduler. 
> The neatest implementation I did was several jobs
> back where I also collected volume space
> information.  Then, I created a web page that
> displayed a graph of volume space, tablespace, and
> free space in living color -- this was in response
> to a PHB that kept asking for a database growth
> projection every few weeks so that he could plan the
> following years hardware purchases.  Once I gave him
> the URL, he quit asking.  He never got the purchases
> right, but that's what happens when you project the
> future by looking in the rear view mirror.
> 
> On my last job, I told my PHB that I wanted to
> implement the CC database right out of the gate.  He
> told me we didn't need it.  I implemented it anyway
> without telling him.  A few months later, he figured
> out why we needed it.
> 
> I can't imagine maintaining a database without
> having an ongoing growth history.
> 
> Kevin Kennedy
> First Point Energy Corporation 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:50 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Listers,
> 
> Ever been asked how much free space you have in the
> tablespaces over time? I wrote a tool that tracks
> and
> reports on free space per tablespace over time and
> thought I would share it.
> 
> It consists of a simp

Re: Career Opportunities Announcement

[Jared Still]

Please take this offline.

The management

On Wednesday 26 June 2002 12:17, KENNETH JANUSZ wrote:
> Any Oracle in Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN?
>
> Thanks,
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Survivor Immunity Idols: OCP; Book Authorships; Conference Presen

[Orr, Steve]

Hmmm... remember what the comedian Gallagher suggested? Everyone gets a dart
gun with 3 rounds to use on bad drivers and when someone accumulates 10
darts sticking to their car they are arrested and their license is taken
away. Is the conference presentation rating system is supposed to be like
that? 

Can I vote anyone off this island? :-) I guess layoffs are a real life
equivalent of voting someone off Survivor Island. Now that I think about it,
this system doesn't work either because sometimes, like Hunter on Survivor,
it's the best who get voted off by the knuckleheads who have their own
agenda or don't know any better. Are OCP's, book authorships, or conference
presentations like Survivor immunity idols in the DBA job market? 


It's Friday right?
Steve Orr
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It's like drivers license. You can have one but still be a lousy driver, but
if you don't have one and tell people you are a good driver, would people
believe you?

ltiu
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RE: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick

[kkennedy]

-Original Message-

What merit is there in saying "doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP
... should have one too.".

[pouring oil on troubled waters]
Uhmmm, I took that as humor.  I don't think anybody in their right mind wants to link 
the DBA profession to the legal profession in this or any other way.

I don't have an OCP.  Having spent most of my DBA life as a contractor, I haven't been 
able to spare the time or the money (laugh if you will, but all my spare time and cash 
gets sucked into this hole in the water...).  Now I'm an employee in a company that 
doesn't have the resources to provide training, time off, or all those other wonderful 
perks like visits to IOUG or OOW or anywhere else farther than the nearest pub.  And, 
I earn about half of what I used to earn before last summer.  With 10 solid years of 
Oracle experience, 6 of those as a DBA, I simply could not get an interview or even a 
call back from any company I submitted a resume to (I did get about 10 automated 
response letters).  When I finally did get an interview with people who knew me and 
couldn't believe I was available, I took the job.

Was it the lack of the letters OCP on my resume?  Was it simply a sign of the times?  
I don't know.  I keep thinking that maybe I'll buy the books, study, and spring for 
the cost out of my boat budget (cringe).  On the other hand, I keep thinking about one 
OCP I worked with who thought he knew everything and really knew very little.  Tough 
decision.  I wish somebody would offer me a job with a training and UG meeting budget 
(and good vacation time and it's gotta be in the Northwest near water and . well a 
guy's gotta dream.)

Kevin Kennedy
First Point Energy Corporation 
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RE: Things to do when writing scripts in the Korn Shell

[Robertson Lee - lerobe]

Get therapy


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Just some humor to pass the day.  Top things you can do while writing
scripts in the Korn Shell:

*  Listen to a Korn CD
*  Eat some popKorn
*  Munch on a roasted ear of Korn
*  Rub the Korns on your feet
*  Have a Cream Korn fight with your mate in the next cube.
*  See how many Korn Chips you can burn in a glass ashtray before it expodes
from the heat.

Ok, so I had two seconds to think of these things as I was listening the new
Korn CD, writing a Korn Shell script.  

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RE: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Molina, Gerardo]

Kirti,

We had a similar situation here where the database hit max_processes due to
the number of connection requests.  It wasn't the database or listener.  I
believe it turned out to be a problem with weblogic configuration file.

HTH,
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We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic and
Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are dedicated
connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection requests
that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming it on
the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this load. 

I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection pooling.
Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not involved in
this project, and may not get access to the Appl Code. A co-worker is asking
me all kinds of questions about Listener problems. The Vendor is suggesting
to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They have already created
multiple listeners in vain.  

I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know much about Java/EJB etc..
but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does not smell good. For all I
know it could be making a db connection for every single thing and
disconnecting. 

Anyone dealt with similar issues? 
All tips are welcome and appreciated. 

All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone running any of their Web
Applications?  If so, can you please contact me off-list?

Thanks. 

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Re: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Suzy Vordos]

I'm really rusty on this topic, but...

Connection pooling is configured in weblogic.properties, and would look
something like this:

weblogic.jdbc.connectionPool.=\
url=jdbc:oracle:thin:@hostname:port:db_name,\
driver=oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver,\
initialCapacity=2,\
maxCapacity=10,\
capacityIncrement=1,\
props=user=;password=;weblogic.codeset=UTF-8

Tuning of parameters initialCapacity, maxCapacity, capacityIncrement are
key. Here's some info for WL 4.5 (you might instead need to search for
6.x docs):

http://www.weblogic.com/docs45/admindocs/properties.html#conpools
http://www.weblogic.com/docs45/techdeploy/jdbcperf.html

The app java code should be managing the allocation and release of
connections within the pool.  It might be this isn't being done properly
within the vendor's code.  Or maybe initialCapacity isn't set high
enough for the application, which is allocated when WL is initially
started, then incremented as-needed as set by capacityIncrement.

Checking v$session for how many connections are created when WL is
started, then monitoring it during application use might help lead you
to an answer.

Suzy


"Deshpande, Kirti" wrote:
> 
> We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic and
> Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are dedicated
> connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection requests
> that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming it on
> the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this load.
> 
> I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection pooling.
> Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not involved in
> this project, and may not get access to the Appl Code. A co-worker is asking
> me all kinds of questions about Listener problems. The Vendor is suggesting
> to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They have already created
> multiple listeners in vain.
> 
> I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know much about Java/EJB etc..
> but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does not smell good. For all I
> know it could be making a db connection for every single thing and
> disconnecting.
> 
> Anyone dealt with similar issues?
> All tips are welcome and appreciated.
> 
> All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone running any of their Web
> Applications?  If so, can you please contact me off-list?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - Kirti
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RE: Re: Re:MTS performance is too bad.

[Baker, Barbara]

Bunyamin:
Is performance bad overall, or just for a few sessions?
If you have not done so, get the mts script from Tim Gorman's web site
(www.evdbt.com).  In particular, run the section on active circuit
statistics.  This should return no rows.  If it returns rows, you're in
trouble.  Track back those sessions (with the session id/serial#) and see
what they're up to.

Do you have large pool configured?  If not, I'd suggest you do so.  

Good luck!
Barb

(Tim's active circuit stats portion of mts script:)


prompt
prompt MTS "Active Circuit" Statistics:
select  c.circuit,
to_char(s.sid) || ',' || to_char(s.serial#) sid,
d.name dispatcher,
ss.name server,
substr(c.queue,1,8) queue,
c.waiter
fromv$circuit   c,
v$session   s,
v$dispatcherd,
v$shared_server ss
where   s.saddr = c.saddr
and d.paddr = c.dispatcher
and ss.paddr = c.server
/


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> Michael ,
> 
> I have tried all of them , but still performance is very bad. When switch
> to
> dedicated mode I get ora:04030..
>  Have you ever switched to MTS and seen the same performance , I wonder if
> you are sure about MTS performance is good.
> What ever I did did not give the same performance as dedicated connections
> even not approached.
> 
> Bunyamin
> 
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:53 PM
> 
> 
> > You really don't need MTS with no more than 50 concurrent users unless
> you
> are running into ora-4030s or other memory problems.
> >
> > When you say performance is a problem, have you check OS swapping of
> memory to disk? Your SGA might be too big (with AS and the 3GB switch no
> bigger than 3GIG, without the 3GB switch only 2GB) and end up swapping out
> to disk.
> >
> > You also need to make sure that only OLTP users (users with short txns,
> NOT long running batch jobs, big updates, etc) are connecting via MTS. All
> batch/DSS type users should be connecting via dedicated server. You can
> have
> them specify this in their tnsnames.ora.
> >
> > That said, your MTS config is WAY out of whack given the number of
> concurrent users:
> >
> > You only need ONE dispatcher to start with. Change dispatchers to 1
> unless
> you have multiple NICs you are working off of for a particular
> segmentation
> of users. (50 dispatchers would be appropriate for about 12,000 Concurrent
> users)
> >
> > If your total number of concurrent OLTP users is truly 50 set your min
> servers to 60. Max servers is fine.
> >
> > You should also set your large pool instead of a massive shared pool,
> all
> kinds of reason for doing this!!
> >
> > If you have a chance go to borders or barnes and noble, sit down and
> read
> chapter 7 (Oracle Connectivity) of my book "Oracle9i for Windows 2000 Tips
> &
> Techniques". It covers the setup, monitoring and basic tuning of MTS.
> >
> > I hope this helps,
> >
> > Mike Sale
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > mts_max_servers=750
> > > mts_min_servers=100
> > > dispatchers=50
> > > users total  750
> > > users concurrent at most 50
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:58 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >> Bunyamin,
> > >>
> > >> What is MTS_MAX_SERVERS & MTS_MIN_SERVERS set to?  Also what is
> > >>  the total
> > >> number of users connecting to the database?
> > >>
> > >> Dick Goulet
> > >>
> > >> Reply Separator
> > >> Author: "Bunyamin Karadeniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Date:   6/26/2002 8:49 AM
> > >>
> > >> I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to MTS on win2000. But
> > >> performance is too
> > >> bad.
> > >> I have 800 MB of shared pool and not setted large_pool_size.
> > >> 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max processes.
> > >>
> > >> What can I do ?  Have you got an idea. How can I check the mts
> > > performance?
> > >>
> > >> Bunyamin
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to MTS
> > > on
> > >> win2000. But performance is too bad.
> > >> I have 800 MB of shared pool and not setted
> > >> large_pool_size.
> > >> 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max
> > > processes.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  
> > >> What can I do ?  Have you got an idea.
> > > How can
> > >>
> > >> I check the mts performance?
> > >>  
> > >> Bunyamin
> > >>
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Things to do when writing scripts in the Korn Shell

[Jenkins, Michael - EDS]

Just some humor to pass the day.  Top things you can do while writing
scripts in the Korn Shell:

*  Listen to a Korn CD
*  Eat some popKorn
*  Munch on a roasted ear of Korn
*  Rub the Korns on your feet
*  Have a Cream Korn fight with your mate in the next cube.
*  See how many Korn Chips you can burn in a glass ashtray before it expodes
from the heat.

Ok, so I had two seconds to think of these things as I was listening the new
Korn CD, writing a Korn Shell script.  

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RE: WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

Kirti - I'm hoping you get some really good replies to this because it looks
like I'll be the victim of BEA shortly. Just my pessimistic side. I really
mean to say that the developers will be using WebLogic and I'll have to
figure it out from the Oracle perspective.
My guess is that WebLogic probably offers different options for how it
handles connection pooling. I located the following document on BEA's
website.
http://www.weblogic.com/docs51/classdocs/conn_pools.html
My guess is that the default settings are being used and you just need to
learn how to adjust them.
A good JDBC reference that discusses the connection pooling options is
"Java Programming with Oracle JDBC" by Donald Bales. It doesn't say much
about J2EE and EJB and certainly nothing about WebLogic configuration, so I
can't say whether it would apply here or not.
Again, I hope someone that really understands this situation will
respond. Maybe if they overlook your note, my ignorance will irritate them
into responding.

Dennis Williams
DBA, 20% OCP
Lifetouch, Inc.
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We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic and
Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are dedicated
connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection requests
that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming it on
the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this load. 

I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection pooling.
Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not involved in
this project, and may not get access to the Appl Code. A co-worker is asking
me all kinds of questions about Listener problems. The Vendor is suggesting
to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They have already created
multiple listeners in vain.  

I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know much about Java/EJB etc..
but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does not smell good. For all I
know it could be making a db connection for every single thing and
disconnecting. 

Anyone dealt with similar issues? 
All tips are welcome and appreciated. 

All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone running any of their Web
Applications?  If so, can you please contact me off-list?

Thanks. 

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RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

Thomas - I think you've hit the nail on the head. Reminds me of a line from
the Godfather. The old Don is dying and giving his son advice on how to deal
with the other Mafia gangs. He says "Don't make them guess what you're up
to. They aren't good guessers." Consider HR an obstacle to get past so you
can get to the interview and show your stuff. You won't get that chance if
your resume ends up in the "future reference" file. Make their job easy. Put
the information they will be scanning for, like Oracle, in bold letters. 

Dennis Williams
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Certified -- schmertified; but that's gone over in detail.

As someone who used to do some hiring I'd like to address the criticism of
HR people.  Yes, it's annoying when they put IT jargon in the hiring order
and then have no idea what it is that they've asked for.  However, they
start the hiring process on everyone from the company courier to the PhD
Information Scientist.  Do you really expect them to know the details about
the latest languages, network protocol, web usage, and Oracle?  I think
that that's a tall order.

If they ask for Oracle 8i, tell them you have Oracle 8i.  Save the version
details for the technical interview.  The HR person is often working from a
list of specifications that were given to them.  They also use resume
processing software that is looking for specific hits on specific words.

It's not the best of all worlds but it is the real world.



 

Rajesh.Rao

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Please

respond to

ORACLE-L

 

 





This threads getting to be a lengthy one, and I might as well add my two
cents to it. I too come from the same school of thought. That you are OCP
certified holds no water with me. OK. So you are OCP Certified.That dont
impress me much.

One of my first questions, when I am asked to conduct an interview, is ask
them to name some of the Oracle Gurus they have read about, to name some
helpful Oracle sites, or some great white papers. The answers, almost
always, tend to reflect the level of expertise. Jonathan Lewis, Steve
Adams, Cary Millsap, Craig Shallahamer, Anjo Kolk, Tom Kyte, Kevin Loney,
Rama Velupuri, Racheal Carmicheal, ..

Sadly, my point of view differs from that of most recruiters. I know of an
OCP who, when told that the developers were running out of temporary
tablespace, put in a request with the SA to increase the disk space for
/tmp. I also know of a HR personnel who rejected my resume coz I had no 8i
experience. Sadly, my resume said 8.1.6, 8.1.7.

Raj
Not an OCP Certified DBA

"Whatever little I know, I owe it to my ignorance".





Julia Phu

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Sorry, I can't help being quiet.

I've no respect for the OCP. I saw MANY people bought
the exams from many sources. These people memorize the
questions and answers prior the test day. Voila, they
pass the tests and still don't understand how to
install and configure the database.

I learned it on my job and am still learning. I took
the 8i exam program and was EXTREMELY disappointed. I
learned nothing.



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RE: Forms Question

[Shaw John-P55297]

It is in forms 5 and 6

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Is it possible to order by a non-base table item in a form?


Michael Cupp, Jr.
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RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

[Khedr, Waleed]

I enjoyed this thread a lot and this is how I see it:

If a company is hiring a DBA and they have no people with  database
experience to interview the candidates then probably any certification could
be a factor here.

Most of the companies that hire DBA are usually looking for a talent that
adds a big value to the entire group. Talent usually means a person who has
good database administration, development, data modeling, data architecture,
performance tuning experience. Also they do not test if you can answer a
question like "What is the STORAGE CLAUSE" but they asses your ability as
person to learn, react, improve and lead a team.

This kind of talent will never be judged by a certification or a single test
but if it happened then I think this is probably will not be the right place
to work for.

Even companies that do not have database people to interview candidates they
usually ask external people to do this for them.

I was asked many times by many of my previous clients to interview people
for them. Also I had the chance to interview OCP candidates.

My experience is most of the people that went for OCP were people either
changing careers or very junior.

So as long you have the confidence that you can market yourself and your
skills then certification means nothing but if you have nothing to sell then
probably buying a certificate could help.

Regards,

Waleed


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- Original Message -

> list of specifications that were given to them.  They also use
resume
> processing software that is looking for specific hits on specific
words.

That has always been the problem.  Most of these things
were written for jobs that have NOTHING to do with IT.
Reminds me of the add here a few years ago, looking
for people with 3 years experience in Forms 4.  Came out
two months BEFORE Oracle announced Forms 4...
Says it all.


> It's not the best of all worlds but it is the real world.

Indeed.  Doesn't mean we have to take it in without
at least making heaps of noise...

Cheers
Nuno Souto
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RE: Re: Re:MTS performance is too bad.

[Wong, Bing]

So far, I did not see what is the specific performance problem here.  

I support one of the five warehouses that has over 300 users and we
implemented dedicated servers but we ended up with heavy disk swap because
application had external call procedure which gets Unix timestamp from
Oracle.  This resulted in holding/ never releasing the Unix processes.  So
we switched to MTS and requested application to use Oracle timestamp
instead.  

Our MTS parameters:
mts_servers=4   Start up 4 servers
dispatcher=10
mts_max_servers=20

shared pool=360mb

Performance is as good as dedicated servers.  I implemented on all other
four warehouses.  Our MTS has been running for over 8 months now.



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Michael ,

I have tried all of them , but still performance is very bad. When switch to
dedicated mode I get ora:04030..
 Have you ever switched to MTS and seen the same performance , I wonder if
you are sure about MTS performance is good.
What ever I did did not give the same performance as dedicated connections
even not approached.

Bunyamin

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> You really don't need MTS with no more than 50 concurrent users unless you
are running into ora-4030s or other memory problems.
>
> When you say performance is a problem, have you check OS swapping of
memory to disk? Your SGA might be too big (with AS and the 3GB switch no
bigger than 3GIG, without the 3GB switch only 2GB) and end up swapping out
to disk.
>
> You also need to make sure that only OLTP users (users with short txns,
NOT long running batch jobs, big updates, etc) are connecting via MTS. All
batch/DSS type users should be connecting via dedicated server. You can have
them specify this in their tnsnames.ora.
>
> That said, your MTS config is WAY out of whack given the number of
concurrent users:
>
> You only need ONE dispatcher to start with. Change dispatchers to 1 unless
you have multiple NICs you are working off of for a particular segmentation
of users. (50 dispatchers would be appropriate for about 12,000 Concurrent
users)
>
> If your total number of concurrent OLTP users is truly 50 set your min
servers to 60. Max servers is fine.
>
> You should also set your large pool instead of a massive shared pool, all
kinds of reason for doing this!!
>
> If you have a chance go to borders or barnes and noble, sit down and read
chapter 7 (Oracle Connectivity) of my book "Oracle9i for Windows 2000 Tips &
Techniques". It covers the setup, monitoring and basic tuning of MTS.
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Mike Sale
>
>
>
> >
> > mts_max_servers=750
> > mts_min_servers=100
> > dispatchers=50
> > users total  750
> > users concurrent at most 50
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:58 PM
> >
> >
> >> Bunyamin,
> >>
> >> What is MTS_MAX_SERVERS & MTS_MIN_SERVERS set to?  Also what is
> >>  the total
> >> number of users connecting to the database?
> >>
> >> Dick Goulet
> >>
> >> Reply Separator
> >> Author: "Bunyamin Karadeniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date:   6/26/2002 8:49 AM
> >>
> >> I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to MTS on win2000. But
> >> performance is too
> >> bad.
> >> I have 800 MB of shared pool and not setted large_pool_size.
> >> 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max processes.
> >>
> >> What can I do ?  Have you got an idea. How can I check the mts
> > performance?
> >>
> >> Bunyamin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to MTS
> > on
> >> win2000. But performance is too bad.
> >> I have 800 MB of shared pool and not setted
> >> large_pool_size.
> >> 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max
> > processes.
> >>
> >>
> >>  
> >> What can I do ?  Have you got an idea.
> > How can
> >>
> >> I check the mts performance?
> >>  
> >> Bunyamin
> >>
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Re[2]: Re: Re:MTS performance is too bad.

[dgoulet]

What you get when you read messages in reverse chronological order!!  OK, if
you've got memory problems, start with trying to address those first.  Can you
decrease the size of the SGA?  Cut the DB_BLOCK_BUFFERS back by a third is
possible, limit the shared_pool if you can,and get more memory again if
possible.  Oracle is one heck of a memory hog, no matter what platform your on. 

  Assuming all of that fails to resolve the ORA-4030 errors in dedicated server
mode, then I guess your stuck with going MTS.  Rules of thumb that Oracle handed
me is fixing an iTAR:

1) set up one dispatcher for every 50 to 500 connections you expect. 
Practice here says experiment around a bit.  The capacity of a dispatcher is a
variable on each platform.  HP is not exactly happy with more than 52 per
dispatcher.

2) For every dispatcher there is, have a minimum of 2 shared servers.  If
you've got 2 dispatchers, which is just about the bottom of the barrel you need
a minimum of 4 shared servers.

3) for every shared server, allocate 100K additional shared pool.  This gets
tricky since changing the shared pool means bouncing the database.  I read it as
MTS_MAX_SERVERS*100K added to the shared_pool.

4) last watch the utilization of your shared servers.  If they all remain
busy more than 50% of the time, up the value os MTS_MIN_SERVERS either in the
init.ora and bounce or via the alter system command.

5) Continue to use decidated servers for all batch load/DML activities. 
Leave the MTS stuff for OLTP types of transactions.

6) And after all this, don't really expect an increase in performance, cause
you ain't going to get it.

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Author: "Bunyamin Karadeniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   6/27/2002 6:33 AM

Michael ,

I have tried all of them , but still performance is very bad. When switch to
dedicated mode I get ora:04030..
 Have you ever switched to MTS and seen the same performance , I wonder if
you are sure about MTS performance is good.
What ever I did did not give the same performance as dedicated connections
even not approached.

Bunyamin

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To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:53 PM


> You really don't need MTS with no more than 50 concurrent users unless you
are running into ora-4030s or other memory problems.
>
> When you say performance is a problem, have you check OS swapping of
memory to disk? Your SGA might be too big (with AS and the 3GB switch no
bigger than 3GIG, without the 3GB switch only 2GB) and end up swapping out
to disk.
>
> You also need to make sure that only OLTP users (users with short txns,
NOT long running batch jobs, big updates, etc) are connecting via MTS. All
batch/DSS type users should be connecting via dedicated server. You can have
them specify this in their tnsnames.ora.
>
> That said, your MTS config is WAY out of whack given the number of
concurrent users:
>
> You only need ONE dispatcher to start with. Change dispatchers to 1 unless
you have multiple NICs you are working off of for a particular segmentation
of users. (50 dispatchers would be appropriate for about 12,000 Concurrent
users)
>
> If your total number of concurrent OLTP users is truly 50 set your min
servers to 60. Max servers is fine.
>
> You should also set your large pool instead of a massive shared pool, all
kinds of reason for doing this!!
>
> If you have a chance go to borders or barnes and noble, sit down and read
chapter 7 (Oracle Connectivity) of my book "Oracle9i for Windows 2000 Tips &
Techniques". It covers the setup, monitoring and basic tuning of MTS.
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Mike Sale
>
>
>
> >
> > mts_max_servers=750
> > mts_min_servers=100
> > dispatchers=50
> > users total  750
> > users concurrent at most 50
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:58 PM
> >
> >
> >> Bunyamin,
> >>
> >> What is MTS_MAX_SERVERS & MTS_MIN_SERVERS set to?  Also what is
> >>  the total
> >> number of users connecting to the database?
> >>
> >> Dick Goulet
> >>
> >> Reply Separator
> >> Author: "Bunyamin Karadeniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date:   6/26/2002 8:49 AM
> >>
> >> I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to MTS on win2000. But
> >> performance is too
> >> bad.
> >> I have 800 MB of shared pool and not setted large_pool_size.
> >> 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max processes.
> >>
> >> What can I do ?  Have you got an idea. How can I check the mts
> > performance?
> >>
> >> Bunyamin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to MTS
> > on
> >> win2000. But performance is too bad.
> >> I have 800 MB of shared pool and not setted
> >> large_pool_size.
> >> 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max
> > processes.
> >>
> >>
> >>  
> >> What can I do

Re[2]: Re:MTS performance is too bad.

[dgoulet]

Pardon me, but I believe I've read somewhere on MetaStink that if your database
has less than 150 concurrent users you should not bother with MTS. I've
followied that rule of thumb & it does appear correct.

Dick Goulet

Reply Separator
Author: "Yechiel Adar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   6/27/2002 7:03 AM

Hello Bunyamin

I seem to miss something here.
If you have up to 50 concurrent users why do you use min_servers =100?
I think that you waste a lot of storage this way
and this can cause the computer to page a lot.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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> I agree with you but that will not help me in performance ...
> Bunyamin
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> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:28 PM
>
>
> > Bunyamin,
> >
> > You probably only need about 2 dispatchers. I think Oracle suggest 1
> > dispatcher for every 1000 users but that figure seems a little low to
me,
> > I'd work on the basis of 1 dispatcher for every 500.
> >
> > As for shared servers, work on the basis of 1 for every 10 users.
> >
> > Try this
> >
> > mts_servers = 5
> > mts_max_servers = 10 (increase if needed)
> > dispatchers = 2
> >
> > Ade
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: 27 June 2002 09:18
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > mts_max_servers=750
> > mts_min_servers=100
> > dispatchers=50
> > users total  750
> > users concurrent at most 50
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:58 PM
> >
> >
> > > Bunyamin,
> > >
> > > What is MTS_MAX_SERVERS & MTS_MIN_SERVERS set to?  Also what is
the
> > total
> > > number of users connecting to the database?
> > >
> > > Dick Goulet
> > >
> > > Reply Separator
> > > Author: "Bunyamin Karadeniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date:   6/26/2002 8:49 AM
> > >
> > > I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to MTS on win2000. But
performance
> is
> > too
> > > bad.
> > > I have 800 MB of shared pool and not setted large_pool_size.
> > > 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max processes.
> > >
> > > What can I do ?  Have you got an idea. How can I check the mts
> > performance?
> > >
> > > Bunyamin
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to
MTS
> > on
> > > win2000. But performance is too bad. 
> > > I have 800 MB of shared pool and not
setted
> > > large_pool_size. 
> > > 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max
> > processes.
> > >
> > > 
> > >  
> > > What can I do ?  Have you got an
idea.
> > How can
> > >
> > > I check the mts performance?
> > >  
> > > Bunyamin 
> > >
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Re: How to check the charcater set of the export file

[Suzy Vordos]

Check Metalink doc# 48644.1

surinder makkar wrote:
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> Hi List,
> 
> I keep on taking exports from one machine having
> oracle and import it on some other machine with oracle
> software. I usually face the problem like this :--
> IMP-00016 required character set conversion (num to
> num) not supported.
> 
> The only alternative that time I find is to make a
> Net8assistan entry on the target oracle maschine to
> the source oracle machine's oracle and then do an
> export as well as import from the target oracle
> machine but this is not feasible everytime.
> 
> Somebody then told me that this can be sorted out by
> setting the NLS_LANG variable in my environment
> similar to that machine from where I took the export.
> 
> Can you tell me some utility through which I can  get
> to know the character set of teh export file
> 
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RE: conferences - IOUG vs OOW

[Rachel Carmichael]

Bill,

Don't start salivating for September. For the first time since 9/11, we
will be back downtown at the College of Insurance 

Rachel

--- "Magaliff, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> rachel:
> unfortunately i won't be able to make the July meeting or the Hotsos
> clinic
> - will be on a long-awaited vacation.  look forward to september
> meeting
> (the food at columbia faculty house is pretty good!)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> 
> Bill, 
> 
> Wait'll you see the agenda for the September meeting. And I've almost
> got December's filled.. although I *am* looking for DBA
> presentations,
> anyone interested (please note NYOUG does NOT pay travel expenses)
> send
> me a note off-line with an abstract.
> 
> Come to the DBA SIG in two weeks -- since Cary's company Hotsos is
> giving a clinic in NYC, we've got two of his partners coming to give
> a
> presentation on using the 10046 trace files.  
> 
> Rachel
> 
> --- "Magaliff, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > thanks to both of you, Rachel and Stephen . . . clears it up for
> me.
> > 
> > btw I do attend NYOUG meeings (except the last one - couldn't bear
> > the
> > thought of a NY Harbor cruise in the lousy weather, rocking to and
> > fro) and
> > do find them pretty interesting - and some nifty giveaway's, too,
> are
> > always
> > nice for the kids :-)
> > 
> > -bill
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:40 PM
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> > 
> > 
> > my preference when I have to choose is IOUG over OOW 
> > 
> > OOW tends to have a lot more marketing/Oracle employee (so it feels
> > like marketing) presentations
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Magaliff, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > infer from
> > > some of this discussion that for real content (as opposed to
> > > marketing
> > > fluff), THE conference to attend would be IOUGLive, as opposed to
> > > Oracle
> > > Open World?  
> > > 
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Rollback OPTIMAL setting

[Fink, Dan]

One of the constant 
comments regarding rollback segments is not to set optimal. I am wondering why 
this setting is often discouraged. I have my own ideas, but I want to gather 
more opinions and experiences.
Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 
 

RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

[Hayes, Scott]

How about a newbie's point of view.

I have been in IT for twelve years and the last year I have supported 1
Oracle database. Yes I know it's not much but at least it is a start.

I have been "lurking" on this list for the past year and have learned a lot
from all of you and been confused by all of you even more.

I received certification for Novel Netware 3.x back in the late 80s when
certification meant something. At the time I used that cert as a foundation
to my knowledge. I made sure that I reminded myself constantly that I did
not know all and that I can still learn much more. At the very least the
process of certification gave the means of finding out where the problem
was, it gave me direction.

I will most likely get certified Oracle. Not because it will make me a
genius as you all have pointed out but because it will give me a foundation.
A "learners permit", as someone has mentioned. I would be the first to say
that I have years of hands on knowledge to acquire. Unfortunately, it is
difficult to become a full time DBA without this experience. Hopefully the
OCP will help me get my foot in the door and the rest is up to me and my
mentors.

Unfortunately, the certification idea has failed thanks to the many
Microsnuff certs that have been handed out. We have to live in real world,
the people who hire us and sign our pay checks are the same people who get
swayed by Large company's marketing schemes of "do things our way or fail as
a business and as a human". 

Just my .01 worth (CDN $)


Scott Hayes 
Systems Administrator 
THALES Optronics Canada Inc. 
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Ville St-Laurent, Quebec, H4R 2P1 
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Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

[Nuno Souto]

- Original Message -

> list of specifications that were given to them.  They also use
resume
> processing software that is looking for specific hits on specific
words.

That has always been the problem.  Most of these things
were written for jobs that have NOTHING to do with IT.
Reminds me of the add here a few years ago, looking
for people with 3 years experience in Forms 4.  Came out
two months BEFORE Oracle announced Forms 4...
Says it all.


> It's not the best of all worlds but it is the real world.

Indeed.  Doesn't mean we have to take it in without
at least making heaps of noise...

Cheers
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Re: the ora certified masters cert

[ltiu]

It's like drivers license. You can have one but still be a lousy driver, but 
if you don't have one and tell people you are a good driver, would people 
believe you?

ltiu
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RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..

[Robson, Peter]

Title: RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, Ohio..



Has 
this thread got anything to do with WorldCOM?    (... 
sorry...)
 
peter
edinburgh

  -Original Message-From: Whittle Jerome Contr NCI 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 27 June 2002 
  15:13To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: Oracle DBA with TS SCI Clearance Needed in Dayton, 
  Ohio..
  After a few spy 
  scandals, it has become VERY difficult and time consuming to get a TS security 
  clearance. It might even be cheaper and faster to get someone with a TS and 
  train them to become a DBA. I know of one instance where a person was hired 
  because of the TS and then trained to do the job.
  If you happen to 
  have a TS, don't be shy at all when discussing pay and benefits. If they are 
  asking for a TS, then the job requires a TS and they can't hire anyone without 
  one.
  Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 
  
-Original 
Message- From:   Jesse W. Asher 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
I don't understand the large 
number of positions coming out that require a CURRENT Secret or Top Secret 
clearance.  How can all these positions be filled unless these company/entities 
start footing the bill for people getting the clearances?!? 


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RE: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick

[Weaver, Walt]

Psst! Kirti, I have the questions to the exam. Meet me in the alley behind
the drugstore downtown and we can hash out a deal...

--Walt

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I will now return to my 8i OCP prep. 
Anyone wants to sell the student guides from 8i NF ILT ???  ;-)) 

- Kirti 

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Mike,

If you got the impression from anything I've posted here that I believe
anyone who has gotten the OCP title is a liar and a cheat then I am
very sorry as that is NOT the impression I meant to give.

I think the OCP exam itself is worthless and not a measure of what a
DBA knows. I think there are many DBAs out there who can add "OCP" to
their resume who are wonderful DBAs (let's see, I read and learn from
your posts, Joe Testa's, Kevin Loney has it as well and others)

What I object to is the presumption that if you have those letters on
your resume you are AUTOMATICALLY a good DBA.

Rachel

--- Hately Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been pretty quiet while you all said that the OCP program was
> pretty
> worthless because I can see your point. I don't believe that it
> proves that
> the holder is technically better than someone has isn't certified.
> From my
> point of view, though, I'm convinced that in a tight market it's
> helped to
> get me into interviews and that justifies the cost to me. 
> Now, however, you're straying towards calling OCP DBAs liars and
> cheats and
> implying that we're dangerous to have on site and I'm sorry but I'm
> not
> going to have that.
> What merit is there in saying "doctors have malpractice insurance and
> OCP
> ... should have one too.". Where's the evidence for that kind of
> witless
> comment?
> I originally took my OCP after amassing 10 years of DBA experience. I
> don't
> want to get into a pissing contest over this but it grates on me to
> have it
> constantly implied that OCP is just there to make up for lack of
> ability.
> I'm aware that many of you (Don for instance) have qualified their
> statements by saying that applies to "a few" or "some" but the
> implication
> is still that the majority of OCPs are trying to make up for some
> sort of
> technical deficiency.
> 
> If you don't want to spend the money or the time then that's fine by
> me. I
> certainly won't it necessary to criticise you for it.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike Hately
> 
> No, really; I usually have a sense of humour.
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: 27 June 2002 08:13
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> From my experience with a few DBAs that waved their OCP around like
> it was a
> Nobel prize, some probably should have malpractice insurance.  Lots
> of it.
> 
> Don Granaman
> [Certifiable OraSaurus - NOCP]
> 
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RE: conferences - IOUG vs OOW

[Magaliff, Bill]

rachel:
unfortunately i won't be able to make the July meeting or the Hotsos clinic
- will be on a long-awaited vacation.  look forward to september meeting
(the food at columbia faculty house is pretty good!)


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Bill, 

Wait'll you see the agenda for the September meeting. And I've almost
got December's filled.. although I *am* looking for DBA presentations,
anyone interested (please note NYOUG does NOT pay travel expenses) send
me a note off-line with an abstract.

Come to the DBA SIG in two weeks -- since Cary's company Hotsos is
giving a clinic in NYC, we've got two of his partners coming to give a
presentation on using the 10046 trace files.  

Rachel

--- "Magaliff, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> thanks to both of you, Rachel and Stephen . . . clears it up for me.
> 
> btw I do attend NYOUG meeings (except the last one - couldn't bear
> the
> thought of a NY Harbor cruise in the lousy weather, rocking to and
> fro) and
> do find them pretty interesting - and some nifty giveaway's, too, are
> always
> nice for the kids :-)
> 
> -bill
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> -Original Message-
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> my preference when I have to choose is IOUG over OOW 
> 
> OOW tends to have a lot more marketing/Oracle employee (so it feels
> like marketing) presentations
> 
> 
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> > Oracle
> > Open World?  
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WebLogic, Oracle JDBC related

[Deshpande, Kirti]

We are in the process of rolling out a Web Appl that uses BEA WebLogic and
Oracle JDBC, thin driver calls to connect to database. These are dedicated
connections (No MTS). The listener is overwhelmed with connection requests
that at times reach 250+ per second. The 'preferred vendor' is blaming it on
the limitation of the Listener, that is not capable of handling this load. 

I suspect this fine piece of software is not using JDBC connection pooling.
Is there any way to find out if that's indeed the case? I am not involved in
this project, and may not get access to the Appl Code. A co-worker is asking
me all kinds of questions about Listener problems. The Vendor is suggesting
to increase the QueueSize for the listener. They have already created
multiple listeners in vain.  

I think the Appl code is to blame. I do not know much about Java/EJB etc..
but my hunch is that this EJB container stuff does not smell good. For all I
know it could be making a db connection for every single thing and
disconnecting. 

Anyone dealt with similar issues? 
All tips are welcome and appreciated. 

All right, the preferred vendor is AMDOCS. Anyone running any of their Web
Applications?  If so, can you please contact me off-list?

Thanks. 

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Re: Re: Re:MTS performance is too bad.

[Bunyamin Karadeniz]

Michael ,

I have tried all of them , but still performance is very bad. When switch to
dedicated mode I get ora:04030..
 Have you ever switched to MTS and seen the same performance , I wonder if
you are sure about MTS performance is good.
What ever I did did not give the same performance as dedicated connections
even not approached.

Bunyamin

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> You really don't need MTS with no more than 50 concurrent users unless you
are running into ora-4030s or other memory problems.
>
> When you say performance is a problem, have you check OS swapping of
memory to disk? Your SGA might be too big (with AS and the 3GB switch no
bigger than 3GIG, without the 3GB switch only 2GB) and end up swapping out
to disk.
>
> You also need to make sure that only OLTP users (users with short txns,
NOT long running batch jobs, big updates, etc) are connecting via MTS. All
batch/DSS type users should be connecting via dedicated server. You can have
them specify this in their tnsnames.ora.
>
> That said, your MTS config is WAY out of whack given the number of
concurrent users:
>
> You only need ONE dispatcher to start with. Change dispatchers to 1 unless
you have multiple NICs you are working off of for a particular segmentation
of users. (50 dispatchers would be appropriate for about 12,000 Concurrent
users)
>
> If your total number of concurrent OLTP users is truly 50 set your min
servers to 60. Max servers is fine.
>
> You should also set your large pool instead of a massive shared pool, all
kinds of reason for doing this!!
>
> If you have a chance go to borders or barnes and noble, sit down and read
chapter 7 (Oracle Connectivity) of my book "Oracle9i for Windows 2000 Tips &
Techniques". It covers the setup, monitoring and basic tuning of MTS.
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Mike Sale
>
>
>
> >
> > mts_max_servers=750
> > mts_min_servers=100
> > dispatchers=50
> > users total  750
> > users concurrent at most 50
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
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> >
> >> Bunyamin,
> >>
> >> What is MTS_MAX_SERVERS & MTS_MIN_SERVERS set to?  Also what is
> >>  the total
> >> number of users connecting to the database?
> >>
> >> Dick Goulet
> >>
> >> Reply Separator
> >> Author: "Bunyamin Karadeniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date:   6/26/2002 8:49 AM
> >>
> >> I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to MTS on win2000. But
> >> performance is too
> >> bad.
> >> I have 800 MB of shared pool and not setted large_pool_size.
> >> 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max processes.
> >>
> >> What can I do ?  Have you got an idea. How can I check the mts
> > performance?
> >>
> >> Bunyamin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have changed my 8.1.7.3.2 database to MTS
> > on
> >> win2000. But performance is too bad.
> >> I have 800 MB of shared pool and not setted
> >> large_pool_size.
> >> 50 dispathers, 100 processes and 750 max
> > processes.
> >>
> >>
> >>  
> >> What can I do ?  Have you got an idea.
> > How can
> >>
> >> I check the mts performance?
> >>  
> >> Bunyamin
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Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

[Jack Silvey]

Good morning Don,

I know that you are not suggesting that those with the
OCP are bad persons. 

Listers, I suggest that we drop this topic now, since
it might start to offend if it goes further. We all
have much more in common that we have that divides us,
and this topic is a downright silly thing to risk
hurting each other over. It is worth far less than the
harmony of this community.

Jack
OCPx4



--- Don Granaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> OCP around like it was a
> Nobel prize, some probably should have malpractice
> insurance.  Lots of it.
> 
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Database Hung with all processes waiting on locks

[Tortorelli, Mary Jo]

We were running 11i Autoupgrade (from 10.7) on HP-UX 8.1.7.3 64-bit Oracle.

Yesterday the database hung with every session having a WAITING status in 
v$session_wait.  The MTS processes were 'rdbms ipc message', several workers were 
waiting on 'row cache lock' and 'library cache pin' and background processes on 'pmon 
timer'.   

I flushed the shared pool but it didn't help.  I did a trace level 10 dump and 
recycled the database.  Recycling worked but now I'm trying to figure out what may 
have happened.  I don't know how to interpret the trace file to glean a cause.

Any ideas or advice are welcome.  I wonder if the workers stepped on each other or MTS 
somehow got hosed.  There were 18 active workers.   Some samples from the trace file 
below.

Thanks in advance!!!


  SO: c000e81e8ce0, type: 3, owner: c000ed03f580, pt: 0, flag: 
INIT/-/-/0x00
  (session) trans: 0, creator: c000ed03f580, flag: (8e5) USR/- 
BSY/-/-/-/-/-
DID: 0001-002B-0ACD, short-term DID: --
txn branch: 0
oct: 0, prv: 0, user: 51/APPS
  O/S info: user: applmgr, term: pts/tb, ospid: 11226, machine: hr03
program:
  client info:   0
  waiting for 'library cache pin' blocking sess=0x0 seq=38949 wait_time=0
  handle address=c001133639f0, pin address=c000ed159bf8, 
10*mode+namespace=1e
--
 SO: c000e81bcde0, type: 3, owner: c000e815c3a8, pt: 0, flag: INIT/-/-/0x00
(session) trans: 0, creator: c000e815c3a8, flag: (51) USR/- BSY/-/-/-/-/-
  DID: 0001-0002-0002, short-term DID: --
  txn branch: 0
  oct: 0, prv: 0, user: 0/SYS
waiting for 'pmon timer' blocking sess=0x0 seq=7330 wait_time=0
duration=12c, =0, =0

SO: c000e81d10e0, type: 3, owner: c000e815e958, pt: 0, flag: INIT/-/-/0x00
(session) trans: 0, creator: c000e815e958, flag: (41) USR/- BSY/-/-/-/-/-
  DID: 0001-000B-1AA1, short-term DID: --
  txn branch: 0
  oct: 0, prv: 0, user: 0/
O/S info: user: , term: , ospid: , machine:
  program:
waiting for 'row cache lock' blocking sess=0x0 seq=2114 wait_time=0
cache id=7, mode=0, request=3


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Re: Career Opportunities Announcement

[Bill Christison]

Ken,
   The 250 miles SE from the twin cities reference was my cute
way of suggesting;the position was in
Lincolnshire,Illinois(NChicago suburb)If you've Oracle Clinical
I'll contact my MINN/STPAUL pharmaceutical client company to
ascertain potential staffing need(s).Thanks,
Bill Christison
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> > Kenneth,
> >   250 miles SE(Northern Chicagc suburb).Relative to
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> explore
> > in your behalf.Re:Oracle clinical.
> >   So,...let me know your thoughts,
> > Bill Christison
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> > --- KENNETH JANUSZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > Thanks,
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> > > > We currently have positions available for Oracle
> Clinical
> > > > specialists with leading pharmaceutical companies and
> CRO's
> > > in
> > > > NJ.
> > > >
> > > > Our associate's established relationship within the
> > > > pharmaceutical industry is predicated upon 20 years of
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> > > >
> > > > We currently have full time (only) opportunities as;
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> > > > Even if you are not currently interested in a position
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> > > > Bill Christison
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> > > > =
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