Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-09 Thread 罗格雷格博士 
Awesome thanks all - the Giotto it is

Regards

Greg

Dr Greg Low
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On 8 Apr 2016, at 1:10 PM, Andrew Navakas 
mailto:and...@ml.net.au>> wrote:

Hi,
I have a Breville at one office and it does a good enough job, but it is hard 
to be consistently good with it.
It is built to a price (all plastic & cheap parts), and wont last. When 
something fails, it is unlikely to be fixable, or worth fixing.
A Rancilio Silvia at another location, which is getting more serious, & a 
Gaggia MDF grinder. It is about 13 years old, and has needed a small amount of 
maintenance (a new pump & new boiler once). It is better than the Breville.
I have a Rocket Giotto at home (> 10 yrs old, & hasn’t missed a beat), with a 
commercial grade grinder (it is CRITICAL to have a good grinder) �C much 
better, more consistent, better coffee than most cafes, but many $$$ more.
I have found Chris, the owner of this business:
http://talkcoffee.com.au
to be a font of wisdom & experience. He sells serious machines, and roasts some 
of the best beans I have ever had.
You wont go wrong there.
Also, this site:
http://coffeesnobs.com.au/
is a great resource.
Andrew

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Coffee snobs

Hi Folks,

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?

I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

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SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-08 Thread Jorke Odolphi 
That is also a great machine – that is the one I learnt how to properly make 
coffee on, and yes once you can drive it, you’ll be able to use any machine - 
next step up is a wega (you can pick them up second hand). Be prepared for to 
wait 30 mins to warm up, and it requires proper cleaning every week – the 
office this was in had a roster :) – also off site maintenance was required 
every year.

We had this paired with a mazzer grinder :  
https://goo.gl/photos/uFf5tqu25WQjQUtXA – yes that is real number –  shots 
of coffee in 6 months (was in a research lab) It is about half the price of the 
machine, ($1500) - you simply cannot use breville grinder with that.


From: mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> on 
behalf of Greg Low mailto:g...@greglow.com>>
Reply-To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Date: Friday, 8 April 2016 at 9:05 PM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: Coffee snobs

Nice !

After reading the comments, I’m starting to lean this way though:

http://www.espressocompany.com.au/giotto.htm

That seems amazing. (If I could learn to drive it)

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

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SQL Down Under| Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Jorke Odolphi
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 8:10 PM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: Coffee snobs

Sorry I’m a bit latte to this thread..

I tend to consume a fair bit of coffee, and can tell you bes920 is a great 
machine, kitted the last office I was in with that and the matching grinder, 
you can’t beat the bang for buck. I drink black coffee and like it pretty 
strong so I’m pretty sensitive to the taste that the fat in milk covers up, it 
took a while to nail down the grind/temp and tamp pressure and you need to do 
this *each time you put new beans in* - there is a pressure gauge and there’s a 
sense of achievement when you get your first 9 bar pour.

If your as snobbish about black coffee and you have automatic machine, 
delonghi’s have stainless grinders, which can heat and taint the coffee taste – 
whereas jura/saeco have ceramic grinders; they don’t heat up but wear out 
quicker.

Just had to espresso my thoughts on that..


From: mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> on 
behalf of Greg Low mailto:g...@greglow.com>>
Reply-To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Date: Friday, 8 April 2016 at 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Coffee snobs

Hi Folks,

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?

I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under| Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-08 Thread 罗格雷格博士 
Nice !

After reading the comments, I’m starting to lean this way though:

http://www.espressocompany.com.au/giotto.htm

That seems amazing. (If I could learn to drive it)

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Jorke Odolphi
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 8:10 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Coffee snobs

Sorry I’m a bit latte to this thread..

I tend to consume a fair bit of coffee, and can tell you bes920 is a great 
machine, kitted the last office I was in with that and the matching grinder, 
you can’t beat the bang for buck. I drink black coffee and like it pretty 
strong so I’m pretty sensitive to the taste that the fat in milk covers up, it 
took a while to nail down the grind/temp and tamp pressure and you need to do 
this *each time you put new beans in* - there is a pressure gauge and there’s a 
sense of achievement when you get your first 9 bar pour.

If your as snobbish about black coffee and you have automatic machine, 
delonghi’s have stainless grinders, which can heat and taint the coffee taste – 
whereas jura/saeco have ceramic grinders; they don’t heat up but wear out 
quicker.

Just had to espresso my thoughts on that..


From: mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> on 
behalf of Greg Low mailto:g...@greglow.com>>
Reply-To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Date: Friday, 8 April 2016 at 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Coffee snobs

Hi Folks,

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?

I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under| Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-08 Thread Jorke Odolphi 
Sorry I’m a bit latte to this thread..

I tend to consume a fair bit of coffee, and can tell you bes920 is a great 
machine, kitted the last office I was in with that and the matching grinder, 
you can’t beat the bang for buck. I drink black coffee and like it pretty 
strong so I’m pretty sensitive to the taste that the fat in milk covers up, it 
took a while to nail down the grind/temp and tamp pressure and you need to do 
this *each time you put new beans in* - there is a pressure gauge and there’s a 
sense of achievement when you get your first 9 bar pour.

If your as snobbish about black coffee and you have automatic machine, 
delonghi’s have stainless grinders, which can heat and taint the coffee taste – 
whereas jura/saeco have ceramic grinders; they don’t heat up but wear out 
quicker.

Just had to espresso my thoughts on that..


From: mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> on 
behalf of Greg Low mailto:g...@greglow.com>>
Reply-To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Date: Friday, 8 April 2016 at 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Coffee snobs

Hi Folks,

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?

I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under| Web: www.sqldownunder.com

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-08 Thread Andrew Coates (DX AUSTRALIA) 
Just get the barista to heat the cup before making the coffee …

Andrew Coates, ME, MCPD, MCSD MCTS, Developer Evangelist, Microsoft, 1 Epping 
Road, NORTH RYDE NSW 2113
Ph: +61 (2) 9870 2719 • Mob +61 (416) 134 993 • Fax: +61 (2) 9870 2400 • 
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 4:59 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Coffee snobs

"Don’t start me on customers asking for the coffee extra hot"

Legitimate reason for extra hot coffee
(1) Experience where coffee is often delivered to you too cold to enjoy
(2) Wanting it to still be warm by the time you get back to the office.

Until the McDonalds court case lots of years back, all coffees were piping hot. 
The hotter the better, and if it couldn't give you 3rd degree burns there was 
something wrong with it. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a good cuppa and I do 
know there is a perfect temperature if you are a coffee snob so that you can 
enjoy the flavours just right. However, I wonder if modern coffee was just a 
reinvention to avoid that liability.



On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes, that’s how I do it, metal jug and my hands (I owned a café and have made 
more coffee than I care to recount).. But my experience with staff is that it 
was easier to just stick a thermometer in each jug to make sure customers got 
coffees where the milk wasn’t burnt.. (Don’t start me on customers asking for 
the coffee extra hot)

For interest, one of the many things you can (and should do) is make sure you 
have a good water filter.. If you get a breville (or something similar with a 
build in filter), make sure you replace the filter regularly, if you get 
something more expensive and have it plumbed in, get an inline filter..

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 4:09 PM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Re: Coffee snobs



On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Greg,

I’m a bit of a coffee snob (ok, a huge snob).

I use a dual setup like the BES920 (Just a little older) and have done for 
years. What you get depends on how you plan to use it. The Breville machines 
work fine, but won’t keep a consistent temperature if you are doing a lot of 
coffees, but this is probably the least important thing. Getting the grind 
right, using a good blend of beans, and getting the milk right are all way more 
important. If you are new to doing coffee manually, get yourself a thermometer 
for the milk (they are cheap) to make sure you don’t burn it..


Bah.  Put your hand under the jug whilst frothing it - I guarantee you won't 
burn the milk.  :)


Ed.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: Coffee snobs

Hi Folks,

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?

I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:

BES890 or BES920: 
http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.breville.com.au%2fbeverages%2fcoffee-machines.html&data=01%7c01%7cACOAT%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7ca4ee7555be9b4753485908d35f7b33f5%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=8Y8e5VwBUs25Ryl636tihjqFDqiCdezzVmT1Sca2KrU%3d>

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

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419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 
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Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Tony Wright 
"Don’t start me on customers asking for the coffee extra hot"

Legitimate reason for extra hot coffee
(1) Experience where coffee is often delivered to you too cold to enjoy
(2) Wanting it to still be warm by the time you get back to the office.

Until the McDonalds court case lots of years back, all coffees were piping
hot. The hotter the better, and if it couldn't give you 3rd degree burns
there was something wrong with it. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a good
cuppa and I do know there is a perfect temperature if you are a coffee snob
so that you can enjoy the flavours just right. However, I wonder if modern
coffee was just a reinvention to avoid that liability.



On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, that’s how I do it, metal jug and my hands (I owned a café and have
> made more coffee than I care to recount).. But my experience with staff is
> that it was easier to just stick a thermometer in each jug to make sure
> customers got coffees where the milk wasn’t burnt.. (Don’t start me on
> customers asking for the coffee extra hot)
>
>
>
> For interest, one of the many things you can (and should do) is make sure
> you have a good water filter.. If you get a breville (or something similar
> with a build in filter), make sure you replace the filter regularly, if you
> get something more expensive and have it plumbed in, get an inline filter..
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Friday, 8 April 2016 4:09 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: Coffee snobs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
> I’m a bit of a coffee snob (ok, a huge snob).
>
>
>
> I use a dual setup like the BES920 (Just a little older) and have done for
> years. What you get depends on how you plan to use it. The Breville
> machines work fine, but won’t keep a consistent temperature if you are
> doing a lot of coffees, but this is probably the least important thing.
> Getting the grind right, using a good blend of beans, and getting the milk
> right are all way more important. If you are new to doing coffee manually,
> get yourself a thermometer for the milk (they are cheap) to make sure you
> don’t burn it..
>
>
>
>
>
> Bah.  Put your hand under the jug whilst frothing it - I guarantee you
> won't burn the milk.  :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Low (??)
> *Sent:* Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Coffee snobs
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there
> will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.
>
>
>
> Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee
> machine?
>
>
>
> I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer
> something like this:
>
>
>
> BES890 or BES920:
> http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html
>
>
>
> The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
Yes, that’s how I do it, metal jug and my hands (I owned a café and have made 
more coffee than I care to recount).. But my experience with staff is that it 
was easier to just stick a thermometer in each jug to make sure customers got 
coffees where the milk wasn’t burnt.. (Don’t start me on customers asking for 
the coffee extra hot)

 

For interest, one of the many things you can (and should do) is make sure you 
have a good water filter.. If you get a breville (or something similar with a 
build in filter), make sure you replace the filter regularly, if you get 
something more expensive and have it plumbed in, get an inline filter.. 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 4:09 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Coffee snobs

 

 

 

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) mailto:eddie.deb...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Greg,

 

I’m a bit of a coffee snob (ok, a huge snob).

 

I use a dual setup like the BES920 (Just a little older) and have done for 
years. What you get depends on how you plan to use it. The Breville machines 
work fine, but won’t keep a consistent temperature if you are doing a lot of 
coffees, but this is probably the least important thing. Getting the grind 
right, using a good blend of beans, and getting the milk right are all way more 
important. If you are new to doing coffee manually, get yourself a thermometer 
for the milk (they are cheap) to make sure you don’t burn it..

 

 

Bah.  Put your hand under the jug whilst frothing it - I guarantee you won't 
burn the milk.  :)

 

 

Ed.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> ] 
On Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >
Subject: Coffee snobs

 

Hi Folks,

 

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

 

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine? 

 

I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:

 

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

 

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

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  mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913   
fax 

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Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread mike smith 
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Jason Roberts 
wrote:

> I got a breville machine/grinder package – I did a barista course last
> year and it’s all about consistency – the trainer recommended even if you
> have a basic machine get a great grinder so at least the grind is
> consistent – would love to get one of these machines from Melbourne company
> http://www.disave.com.au/product-category/machines/office-models/
>
>
>
> Also good, freshly roasted beans (don’t buy pre-ground) – I like the
> single origins and blends (especially the Crompton Road blend) from Five
> Senses.
>
>
Almost any whole bean coffee is going to be better than a ground one.  And
the only kind of grinder to go for is a burr one.

order of importance (most to least)

machine cleanliness  (I almost forgot this one)
grind
tamp volume
tamp pressure
bean freshness
flow rate (affected by above 2, and water pressure
water temp

The easier it is to stabilise the above shot to shot, the better.


>
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts
> Twitter: @robertsjason
> Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
> *Sent: *Friday, 8 April 2016 8:19 AM
> *To: *ozDotNet 
> *Subject: *Coffee snobs
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there
> will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.
>
>
>
> Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee
> machine?
>
>
>
> I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer
> something like this:
>
>
>
> BES890 or BES920:
> http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html
>
>
>
> The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread mike smith 
Only the crowdsourced vapourware ones.   Don't get me started there.  :(

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Are these things IoT enabled? -- *GK*
>
> On 8 April 2016 at 10:56, Bill McCarthy 
> wrote:
>
>> When my delonghi broke down(leaking water), I started looking at
>> alternative machines.  Most of the cheap machines will make a good short
>> single shot. But I like long flat white (occasionally a long macchiato) ,
>> so it gets hard to find a machine that will do that consistently sub $2k.
>>
>> I use to have a cheap breville years ago, and it was good, but it was
>> only good at short drinks, and really was a messy pain compared to an auto
>> machine. Me, I’d go auto at the sacrifice of money and quality 😏
>>
>>
>>
>> The biggest thing to look out for, is if this is your go to machine
>> during the day, then this will be the coffee you get use to. Most people I
>> know that have decades of coffee drinking experience in Australia, use to
>> find instant coffee acceptable, palatable, and even enjoyable. I was
>> reminded of this the other weekend when I went to the timboon miniature
>> train festival, and the only coffee was instant: sometimes spoiling
>> ourselves everyday, spoils us.  If I didn’t drink ‘reasonable’ coffee all
>> the time, I might be able to enjoy an instant, and maybe even a macca’s
>> coffee too 😕
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail  for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
>> *Sent: *Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
>> *To: *ozDotNet 
>> *Subject: *Coffee snobs
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there
>> will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee
>> machine?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer
>> something like this:
>>
>>
>>
>> BES890 or BES920:
>> http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html
>>
>>
>>
>> The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread mike smith 
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
> I’m a bit of a coffee snob (ok, a huge snob).
>
>
>
> I use a dual setup like the BES920 (Just a little older) and have done for
> years. What you get depends on how you plan to use it. The Breville
> machines work fine, but won’t keep a consistent temperature if you are
> doing a lot of coffees, but this is probably the least important thing.
> Getting the grind right, using a good blend of beans, and getting the milk
> right are all way more important. If you are new to doing coffee manually,
> get yourself a thermometer for the milk (they are cheap) to make sure you
> don’t burn it..
>


Bah.  Put your hand under the jug whilst frothing it - I guarantee you
won't burn the milk.  :)


>
>
> Ed.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Low (??)
> *Sent:* Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Coffee snobs
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there
> will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.
>
>
>
> Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee
> machine?
>
>
>
> I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer
> something like this:
>
>
>
> BES890 or BES920:
> http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html
>
>
>
> The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread mike smith 
I've got

http://www.breville.com.au/thedualboiler-4068.html but without the grinder,
as I already had
https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/mazzer/mini-electronic-a

and this to tamp http://www.autotamp.com/

Makes a good coffee (i go for straight espresso, nowhere to hide a bad
coffee there), I don't use the frother much, but that works well too.

I'll talk about roasting another time.


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there
> will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.
>
>
>
> Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee
> machine?
>
>
>
> I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer
> something like this:
>
>
>
> BES890 or BES920:
> http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html
>
>
>
> The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Andrew Navakas 
Hi,
I have a Breville at one office and it does a good enough job, but it is hard 
to be consistently good with it.
It is built to a price (all plastic & cheap parts), and wont last. When 
something fails, it is unlikely to be fixable, or worth fixing.
A Rancilio Silvia at another location, which is getting more serious, & a 
Gaggia MDF grinder. It is about 13 years old, and has needed a small amount of 
maintenance (a new pump & new boiler once). It is better than the Breville.
I have a Rocket Giotto at home (> 10 yrs old, & hasn’t missed a beat), with a 
commercial grade grinder (it is CRITICAL to have a good grinder) �C much 
better, more consistent, better coffee than most cafes, but many $$$ more.
I have found Chris, the owner of this business:
http://talkcoffee.com.au
to be a font of wisdom & experience. He sells serious machines, and roasts some 
of the best beans I have ever had.
You wont go wrong there.
Also, this site:
http://coffeesnobs.com.au/
is a great resource.
Andrew

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Coffee snobs

Hi Folks,

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?

I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread DotNet Dude 
Coffee drinking is so last year...

On Friday, 8 April 2016, Stephen Price  wrote:

> I baulk at the price of these machines, as coffee drinking is a fairly new
> thing for me. 5 years or so.
> But recently, one of the guys on my last project was a very snobby coffee
> drinker ( he even drinks his coffees without disturbing the coffee art
> foam! lol )
> This lead me to a new appreciation for coffee, so I have been pondering
> getting myself a more manual machine than my Nespresso. The pods are
> annoying me, on a environment level and a gimmick / "must buy from us"
> level.
>
> Not yet taken the plunger on deciding what to get though. Might ask my
> coffee snob friend what he thinks but I suspect I would been a new
> mortgage. Hehe
>
> Coffee is on topic here, right?
>
> Sent from Outlook <https://aka.ms/kr63o9> on iOS
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:06 PM -0700, "Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)" <
> g...@greglow.com >
> wrote:
>
> Yep, the DeLonghi has been “ok”. I think it was about $2.7k at the time.
>
>
>
> I’m not necessarily after a sub 2k machine. Happy to pay for one that’s
> worth having.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill McCarthy [mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
> ]
> *Sent:* Friday, 8 April 2016 10:56 AM
> *To:* Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  >; ozDotNet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
> >
> *Subject:* RE: Coffee snobs
>
>
>
> When my delonghi broke down(leaking water), I started looking at
> alternative machines.  Most of the cheap machines will make a good short
> single shot. But I like long flat white (occasionally a long macchiato) ,
> so it gets hard to find a machine that will do that consistently sub $2k.
>
> I use to have a cheap breville years ago, and it was good, but it was only
> good at short drinks, and really was a messy pain compared to an auto
> machine. Me, I’d go auto at the sacrifice of money and quality 😏
>
>
>
> The biggest thing to look out for, is if this is your go to machine during
> the day, then this will be the coffee you get use to. Most people I know
> that have decades of coffee drinking experience in Australia, use to find
> instant coffee acceptable, palatable, and even enjoyable. I was reminded of
> this the other weekend when I went to the timboon miniature train festival,
> and the only coffee was instant: sometimes spoiling ourselves everyday,
> spoils us.  If I didn’t drink ‘reasonable’ coffee all the time, I might be
> able to enjoy an instant, and maybe even a macca’s coffee too 😕
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)
> 
> *Sent: *Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
> *To: *ozDotNet 
> *Subject: *Coffee snobs
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there
> will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.
>
>
>
> Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee
> machine?
>
>
>
> I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer
> something like this:
>
>
>
> BES890 or BES920:
> http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html
>
>
>
> The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Jason Roberts 
I got a breville machine/grinder package – I did a barista course last year and 
it’s all about consistency – the trainer recommended even if you have a basic 
machine get a great grinder so at least the grind is consistent – would love to 
get one of these machines from Melbourne company 
http://www.disave.com.au/product-category/machines/office-models/

Also good, freshly roasted beans (don’t buy pre-ground) – I like the single 
origins and blends (especially the Crompton Road blend) from Five Senses.

Jason

Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts
Twitter: @robertsjason
Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com


From: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 8:19 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Coffee snobs

Hi Folks,
 
Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.
 
Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine? 
 
I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:
 
BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html
 
The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.
 
Regards,
 
Greg
 
Dr Greg Low
 
1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax 
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
 

Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Stuart Kinnear 
I have Delonghi espresso - little red machine totally manual, easy to take
to the snow or friends who still insist on instant when I want to. Works a
treat, around the 200 buck mark from Good Guys.

- Stuart


On 8 April 2016 at 10:19, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there
> will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.
>
>
>
> Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee
> machine?
>
>
>
> I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer
> something like this:
>
>
>
> BES890 or BES920:
> http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html
>
>
>
> The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>



-- 
-
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Mobile: 040 704 5686.   Office: 03 9589 6502

SK Pro-Active! Pty Ltd
acn. 81 072 778 262
PO Box 6082 Cromer, Vic 3193. Australia

Business software developers.
SQL Server, Visual Basic, C# , Asp.Net, Microsoft Office.
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RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread 罗格雷格博士 
I saw one the other day that featured bluetooth.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 11:29 AM
To: Greg Keogh ; ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: Coffee snobs

Actually, yes, at least one is, IIRC. You can send a message to it so it pre 
warms etc. Still missing the delivery drone though.

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Greg Keogh<mailto:gfke...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 11:01 AM
To: ozDotNet<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: Coffee snobs

Are these things IoT enabled? -- GK

On 8 April 2016 at 10:56, Bill McCarthy 
mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au>> wrote:

When my delonghi broke down(leaking water), I started looking at alternative 
machines.  Most of the cheap machines will make a good short single shot. But I 
like long flat white (occasionally a long macchiato) , so it gets hard to find 
a machine that will do that consistently sub $2k.

I use to have a cheap breville years ago, and it was good, but it was only good 
at short drinks, and really was a messy pain compared to an auto machine. Me, 
I’d go auto at the sacrifice of money and quality 😏



The biggest thing to look out for, is if this is your go to machine during the 
day, then this will be the coffee you get use to. Most people I know that have 
decades of coffee drinking experience in Australia, use to find instant coffee 
acceptable, palatable, and even enjoyable. I was reminded of this the other 
weekend when I went to the timboon miniature train festival, and the only 
coffee was instant: sometimes spoiling ourselves everyday, spoils us.  If I 
didn’t drink ‘reasonable’ coffee all the time, I might be able to enjoy an 
instant, and maybe even a macca’s coffee too 😕





Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



From: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)<mailto:g...@greglow.com>
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Coffee snobs



Hi Folks,



Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.



Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?



I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:



BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html



The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.



Regards,



Greg



Dr Greg Low



1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax

SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Bill McCarthy 
Actually, yes, at least one is, IIRC. You can send a message to it so it pre 
warms etc. Still missing the delivery drone though.

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Greg Keogh<mailto:gfke...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 11:01 AM
To: ozDotNet<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: Coffee snobs

Are these things IoT enabled? -- *GK*

On 8 April 2016 at 10:56, Bill McCarthy 
wrote:

> When my delonghi broke down(leaking water), I started looking at
> alternative machines.  Most of the cheap machines will make a good short
> single shot. But I like long flat white (occasionally a long macchiato) ,
> so it gets hard to find a machine that will do that consistently sub $2k.
>
> I use to have a cheap breville years ago, and it was good, but it was only
> good at short drinks, and really was a messy pain compared to an auto
> machine. Me, I’d go auto at the sacrifice of money and quality 😏
>
>
>
> The biggest thing to look out for, is if this is your go to machine during
> the day, then this will be the coffee you get use to. Most people I know
> that have decades of coffee drinking experience in Australia, use to find
> instant coffee acceptable, palatable, and even enjoyable. I was reminded of
> this the other weekend when I went to the timboon miniature train festival,
> and the only coffee was instant: sometimes spoiling ourselves everyday,
> spoils us.  If I didn’t drink ‘reasonable’ coffee all the time, I might be
> able to enjoy an instant, and maybe even a macca’s coffee too 😕
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
> *Sent: *Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
> *To: *ozDotNet 
> *Subject: *Coffee snobs
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there
> will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.
>
>
>
> Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee
> machine?
>
>
>
> I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer
> something like this:
>
>
>
> BES890 or BES920:
> http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html
>
>
>
> The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Bill McCarthy 
Yeh, I find mine makes good coffee, not great coffee.  Have you tried 
DeLonghi’s own beans ?  They sent me some and was one of the best beans for 
that machine.

Oh, and talking of ‘long’ coffees: how’s this one at Alexandra
[cid:image003.jpg@01D19188.A8AC9F00]

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)<mailto:g...@greglow.com>
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 11:06 AM
To: Bill McCarthy<mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au>; 
ozDotNet<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: Coffee snobs

Yep, the DeLonghi has been “ok”. I think it was about $2.7k at the time.

I’m not necessarily after a sub 2k machine. Happy to pay for one that’s worth 
having.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

From: Bill McCarthy [mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:56 AM
To: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) ; ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: Coffee snobs

When my delonghi broke down(leaking water), I started looking at alternative 
machines.  Most of the cheap machines will make a good short single shot. But I 
like long flat white (occasionally a long macchiato) , so it gets hard to find 
a machine that will do that consistently sub $2k.
I use to have a cheap breville years ago, and it was good, but it was only good 
at short drinks, and really was a messy pain compared to an auto machine. Me, 
I’d go auto at the sacrifice of money and quality 😏

The biggest thing to look out for, is if this is your go to machine during the 
day, then this will be the coffee you get use to. Most people I know that have 
decades of coffee drinking experience in Australia, use to find instant coffee 
acceptable, palatable, and even enjoyable. I was reminded of this the other 
weekend when I went to the timboon miniature train festival, and the only 
coffee was instant: sometimes spoiling ourselves everyday, spoils us.  If I 
didn’t drink ‘reasonable’ coffee all the time, I might be able to enjoy an 
instant, and maybe even a macca’s coffee too 😕


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)<mailto:g...@greglow.com>
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Coffee snobs


Hi Folks,



Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.



Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?



I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:



BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html



The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.



Regards,



Greg



Dr Greg Low



1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax

SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Stephen Price 
I baulk at the price of these machines, as coffee drinking is a fairly new 
thing for me. 5 years or so.
But recently, one of the guys on my last project was a very snobby coffee 
drinker ( he even drinks his coffees without disturbing the coffee art foam! 
lol )
This lead me to a new appreciation for coffee, so I have been pondering getting 
myself a more manual machine than my Nespresso. The pods are annoying me, on a 
environment level and a gimmick / "must buy from us" level.

Not yet taken the plunger on deciding what to get though. Might ask my coffee 
snob friend what he thinks but I suspect I would been a new mortgage. Hehe

Coffee is on topic here, right?

Sent from Outlook<https://aka.ms/kr63o9> on iOS




On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:06 PM -0700, "Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)" 
mailto:g...@greglow.com>> wrote:

Yep, the DeLonghi has been “ok”. I think it was about $2.7k at the time.

I’m not necessarily after a sub 2k machine. Happy to pay for one that’s worth 
having.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

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From: Bill McCarthy [mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:56 AM
To: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) ; ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: Coffee snobs

When my delonghi broke down(leaking water), I started looking at alternative 
machines.  Most of the cheap machines will make a good short single shot. But I 
like long flat white (occasionally a long macchiato) , so it gets hard to find 
a machine that will do that consistently sub $2k.
I use to have a cheap breville years ago, and it was good, but it was only good 
at short drinks, and really was a messy pain compared to an auto machine. Me, 
I’d go auto at the sacrifice of money and quality ??

The biggest thing to look out for, is if this is your go to machine during the 
day, then this will be the coffee you get use to. Most people I know that have 
decades of coffee drinking experience in Australia, use to find instant coffee 
acceptable, palatable, and even enjoyable. I was reminded of this the other 
weekend when I went to the timboon miniature train festival, and the only 
coffee was instant: sometimes spoiling ourselves everyday, spoils us.  If I 
didn’t drink ‘reasonable’ coffee all the time, I might be able to enjoy an 
instant, and maybe even a macca’s coffee too ??


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From: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)<mailto:g...@greglow.com>
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Coffee snobs


Hi Folks,



Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.



Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?



I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:



BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html



The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.



Regards,



Greg



Dr Greg Low



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SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread 罗格雷格博士 
:)

Yes, I was struggling to buy something with an “Oracle” name on it :)

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 11:06 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Coffee snobs

Greg, I was sure you would buy the Oracle. ;)
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 5:19 PM -0700, "Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)" 
mailto:g...@greglow.com>> wrote:
Hi Folks,

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?

I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread 罗格雷格博士 
Yep, the DeLonghi has been “ok”. I think it was about $2.7k at the time.

I’m not necessarily after a sub 2k machine. Happy to pay for one that’s worth 
having.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

From: Bill McCarthy [mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:56 AM
To: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) ; ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: Coffee snobs

When my delonghi broke down(leaking water), I started looking at alternative 
machines.  Most of the cheap machines will make a good short single shot. But I 
like long flat white (occasionally a long macchiato) , so it gets hard to find 
a machine that will do that consistently sub $2k.
I use to have a cheap breville years ago, and it was good, but it was only good 
at short drinks, and really was a messy pain compared to an auto machine. Me, 
I’d go auto at the sacrifice of money and quality 😏

The biggest thing to look out for, is if this is your go to machine during the 
day, then this will be the coffee you get use to. Most people I know that have 
decades of coffee drinking experience in Australia, use to find instant coffee 
acceptable, palatable, and even enjoyable. I was reminded of this the other 
weekend when I went to the timboon miniature train festival, and the only 
coffee was instant: sometimes spoiling ourselves everyday, spoils us.  If I 
didn’t drink ‘reasonable’ coffee all the time, I might be able to enjoy an 
instant, and maybe even a macca’s coffee too 😕


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From: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)<mailto:g...@greglow.com>
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Coffee snobs


Hi Folks,



Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.



Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?



I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:



BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html



The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.



Regards,



Greg



Dr Greg Low



1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax

SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com<http://www.sqldownunder.com/>

Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Stephen Price 
Greg, I was sure you would buy the Oracle. ;)

Sent from Outlook on iOS




On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 5:19 PM -0700, "Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)" 
mailto:g...@greglow.com>> wrote:

Hi Folks,

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?

I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

Re: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Greg Keogh 
Are these things IoT enabled? -- *GK*

On 8 April 2016 at 10:56, Bill McCarthy 
wrote:

> When my delonghi broke down(leaking water), I started looking at
> alternative machines.  Most of the cheap machines will make a good short
> single shot. But I like long flat white (occasionally a long macchiato) ,
> so it gets hard to find a machine that will do that consistently sub $2k.
>
> I use to have a cheap breville years ago, and it was good, but it was only
> good at short drinks, and really was a messy pain compared to an auto
> machine. Me, I’d go auto at the sacrifice of money and quality 😏
>
>
>
> The biggest thing to look out for, is if this is your go to machine during
> the day, then this will be the coffee you get use to. Most people I know
> that have decades of coffee drinking experience in Australia, use to find
> instant coffee acceptable, palatable, and even enjoyable. I was reminded of
> this the other weekend when I went to the timboon miniature train festival,
> and the only coffee was instant: sometimes spoiling ourselves everyday,
> spoils us.  If I didn’t drink ‘reasonable’ coffee all the time, I might be
> able to enjoy an instant, and maybe even a macca’s coffee too 😕
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) 
> *Sent: *Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
> *To: *ozDotNet 
> *Subject: *Coffee snobs
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there
> will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.
>
>
>
> Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee
> machine?
>
>
>
> I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer
> something like this:
>
>
>
> BES890 or BES920:
> http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html
>
>
>
> The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Bill McCarthy 
When my delonghi broke down(leaking water), I started looking at alternative 
machines.  Most of the cheap machines will make a good short single shot. But I 
like long flat white (occasionally a long macchiato) , so it gets hard to find 
a machine that will do that consistently sub $2k.
I use to have a cheap breville years ago, and it was good, but it was only good 
at short drinks, and really was a messy pain compared to an auto machine. Me, 
I’d go auto at the sacrifice of money and quality 😏

The biggest thing to look out for, is if this is your go to machine during the 
day, then this will be the coffee you get use to. Most people I know that have 
decades of coffee drinking experience in Australia, use to find instant coffee 
acceptable, palatable, and even enjoyable. I was reminded of this the other 
weekend when I went to the timboon miniature train festival, and the only 
coffee was instant: sometimes spoiling ourselves everyday, spoils us.  If I 
didn’t drink ‘reasonable’ coffee all the time, I might be able to enjoy an 
instant, and maybe even a macca’s coffee too 😕


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Coffee snobs

Hi Folks,

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I’m guessing there will 
be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine?

I’ve been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I’d prefer 
something like this:

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax
SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
Hi Greg,

 

I'm a bit of a coffee snob (ok, a huge snob).

 

I use a dual setup like the BES920 (Just a little older) and have done for
years. What you get depends on how you plan to use it. The Breville machines
work fine, but won't keep a consistent temperature if you are doing a lot of
coffees, but this is probably the least important thing. Getting the grind
right, using a good blend of beans, and getting the milk right are all way
more important. If you are new to doing coffee manually, get yourself a
thermometer for the milk (they are cheap) to make sure you don't burn it..

 

Ed.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Coffee snobs

 

Hi Folks,

 

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I'm guessing there
will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

 

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine? 

 

I've been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I'd prefer
something like this:

 

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

 

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax


SQL Down Under | Web:   www.sqldownunder.com

RE: Coffee snobs

2016-04-07 Thread Rob Andrew 
Hi Greg,

 

I have the Dynamic Duo in that link and they are quite good IMO. 

 

If you want to upgrade further you could look to a brand like Rancilio. We
had an older one (4 years) at the office and it was very good - but more
work in the cleaning department. 

 

Rob

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 10:19 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Coffee snobs

 

Hi Folks,

 

Given the importance of caffeine for code generation, I'm guessing there
will be a few other coffee snobs on the list.

 

Anyone got a recommendation for a serious (possibly manual) coffee machine? 

 

I've been using a DeLonghi automatic one but now feeling that I'd prefer
something like this:

 

BES890 or BES920: http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/coffee-machines.html

 

The main thing that puts me off is the Breville brand.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax


SQL Down Under | Web:   www.sqldownunder.com