Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Well about three years ago, those of us who were interested formed a committee made up of interested blind people and deaf to help set up a system whereby there would be descriptive audio for movies using headsets, and a system where deaf individuals could watch using closed captioning. We got involved with a theater chain who we helped get this started in one of these theaters. It was indeed a collaboration with the theater and ourselves! We put up half of the money, along with the theater putting up the other half. It has been successful, and I'm able to hear the descriptions with nobody else the wiser. I think we would have liked to have had this in all the theaters in this area, but I'm at least satisfied that there's one place I can go to get this! - Original Message - From: Dean Masters dwmast...@earthlink.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads my state office of the NLS sends VHS with DVs. I would have to travel 100 miles to catch something in a theater that is described. Dean - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:07 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads |I haven't seen this yet, but my State Library for the blind has descriptive | videos on DVD's, and they have them in such a way that when you put a DVD | in, the descriptions come up automatically. This sounds great, and I watch | these in a movie theater that has video description on headsets that are | provided that give these prescriptions. | | - Original Message - | From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com | To: j...@freelists.org | Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; | pc-audio@pc-audio.org | Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:41 PM | Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads | | | Hi, folks. | | I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. | But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than | some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm | writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on | iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I | hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. | | I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD | come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm | presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, | too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs | where action was described in the first place, should have that same | DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm | wondering about the following: | | 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the | download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good | source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about | this feature before I buy? | | 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is | there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a | menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the | descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media | Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. | | 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of | stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front | of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard | of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download | versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those | wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the | same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little | bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? | | Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for | others I may encounter. | | Kind regards, | | -Kane | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG. | Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 3/5/2009 | 7:54 AM | | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1987 - Release Date: 3/6/2009 7:20 AM To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Great show. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to be able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. Short of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? I use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help would be much appreciated! Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Hello, try Total Recorder from www.totalrecorder.com. This is an amazing product as it installs a driver that simulates a what you hear affect on your sound card, except that the driver directly captures what's being sent to your sound card. It's also a media player, and, in more advanced editions, an audio editor, processing tool and a converter. Fully accessible too. -- Chris Hallsworth e-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 - Original Message - From: Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to be able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. Short of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? I use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help would be much appreciated! Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Yes, many sound cards, like the one you have in that netbook, don't have that functionality. To get around this you usually can install VAC, which is Virtual Audio Cable. I had this problem with a stream server that is run on a virtual machine with a SB16 sound card emulated. That SB16 doesn't have the what you hear capability but adding Virtual Audio Cable fixed that. Frank Ventura, MCP -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Szinnyey Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:54 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to be able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. Short of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? I use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help would be much appreciated! Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 03/06/09 19:17:00 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Actually it does have it on most netbooks, since they use realtech cards - and yes, there quite good. For the price, anyway. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: RE: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Yes, many sound cards, like the one you have in that netbook, don't have that functionality. To get around this you usually can install VAC, which is Virtual Audio Cable. I had this problem with a stream server that is run on a virtual machine with a SB16 sound card emulated. That SB16 doesn't have the what you hear capability but adding Virtual Audio Cable fixed that. Frank Ventura, MCP -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Szinnyey Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:54 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to be able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. Short of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? I use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help would be much appreciated! Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 03/06/09 19:17:00 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Frank, can you say more about that? How, if at all, does it compare to Total Recorder (I'm guessing it does different things than TR.) What is the cost and where can I find it? I know I can Google it, but I want a good source from which to purchase it if I decide it's the way to go. MIght just stick with Total Recorder which I do know some about, but just want to know about the different options and advantages. Vac is something I've not heard of till you mentioned it. Thanks lots! Peace, Kathy Listen to Kathy and Fred on the Web at http://www.live365.com/stations/cityslackers/ http://www.fredkate.libsyn.com - Original Message - From: Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:28 AM Subject: RE: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | Yes, many sound cards, like the one you have in that netbook, don't have | that functionality. To get around this you usually can install VAC, | which is Virtual Audio Cable. I had this problem with a stream server | that is run on a virtual machine with a SB16 sound card emulated. That | SB16 doesn't have the what you hear capability but adding Virtual Audio | Cable fixed that. | Frank Ventura, MCP | | | -Original Message- | From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org | [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Szinnyey | Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:54 AM | To: PC Audio Discussion List | Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | | Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it | | doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to | be | able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. | Short | of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice | | recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is | there | any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? | I | use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help | would | be much appreciated! | | Peace, | Kathy | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG - www.avg.com | Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: | 03/06/09 19:17:00 | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Hi, Chris! Hmmm . . . so TR uses its own what you hear option, eh? Guess I thought athat that option came through just because of Windows XP. Well, that's very cool. It's a good inexpensive program. Thanks very much for the tip! Peace Kathy Listen to Kathy and Fred on the Web at http://www.live365.com/stations/cityslackers/ http://www.fredkate.libsyn.com - Original Message - From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | Hello, try Total Recorder from www.totalrecorder.com. This is an amazing | product as it installs a driver that simulates a what you hear affect on | your sound card, except that the driver directly captures what's being sent | to your sound card. It's also a media player, and, in more advanced | editions, an audio editor, processing tool and a converter. Fully accessible | too. | | -- | Chris Hallsworth | e-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com | MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com | Skype: chrishallsworth7266 | - Original Message - | From: Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com | To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org | Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:54 PM | Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | | | Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it | doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to be | able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. Short | of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice | recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there | any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? I | use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help would | be much appreciated! | | Peace, | Kathy | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Hey how musch did you pay for your computer and does it work great with jaws. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Szinnyey Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:54 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to be able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. Short of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? I use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help would be much appreciated! Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Your actually mistaken there, smile. The feature is called stario mix, and you'll find it under audio settings. You'll have to go to properties by hitting alt p, and you'll have to go to the recording radio button, check stario mix. It can be called stario mix, what you hear, wave out. I have 5 computers. 4 out of those five have stario mix, the other one is something called record master. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:54 AM Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to be able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. Short of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? I use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help would be much appreciated! Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Low End, Cheap USB Soundcards To Run JFW, Looking For?
Thanks Robert. I really appreciate your help. Yes, I know about changing the jaws.ini file. The kind folks at FS sent an email with instructions to make those changes. Again, thanks...Paul -- From: Robert Nelson rsnel...@optusnet.com.au Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Low End, Cheap USB Soundcards To Run JFW, Looking For? Try the Creative LX external USB sound card. Mine cost less than $40 and works extremely well. It is slightly larger than a packet of cigarettes. Don't forget that, if you are going to use a second sound card for Jaws, you need to change the jfw.ini file to direct Jaws to use a sound card other than the default sound card that is being used for the music. Robert Nelson - Original Message - From: radiomanp...@hotmail.com To: Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:46 AM Subject: Low End, Cheap USB Soundcards To Run JFW, Looking For? Hi again all. As the subject line states, and where can I find such a deal so I can use my Sound Blaster card JUST for music and the low end card to run Jaws? Any help will be GREATLY appreciated as I am gonna broadcast live on internet and don't want Jaws to speak on air. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Paul To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
It doesn't have any recording functionality like Total Recorder but it is less intrusive. It emrely creates avirtual audio device which will capture sound you would normally hear and can be passed along to a recorder or encoding program. Frank Ventura, MCP -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Szinnyey Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 12:48 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Frank, can you say more about that? How, if at all, does it compare to Total Recorder (I'm guessing it does different things than TR.) What is the cost and where can I find it? I know I can Google it, but I want a good source from which to purchase it if I decide it's the way to go. MIght just stick with Total Recorder which I do know some about, but just want to know about the different options and advantages. Vac is something I've not heard of till you mentioned it. Thanks lots! Peace, Kathy Listen to Kathy and Fred on the Web at http://www.live365.com/stations/cityslackers/ http://www.fredkate.libsyn.com - Original Message - From: Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:28 AM Subject: RE: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | Yes, many sound cards, like the one you have in that netbook, don't have | that functionality. To get around this you usually can install VAC, | which is Virtual Audio Cable. I had this problem with a stream server | that is run on a virtual machine with a SB16 sound card emulated. That | SB16 doesn't have the what you hear capability but adding Virtual Audio | Cable fixed that. | Frank Ventura, MCP | | | -Original Message- | From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org | [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Szinnyey | Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:54 AM | To: PC Audio Discussion List | Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | | Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it | | doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to | be | able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. | Short | of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice | | recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is | there | any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? | I | use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help | would | be much appreciated! | | Peace, | Kathy | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG - www.avg.com | Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: | 03/06/09 19:17:00 | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 03/06/09 19:17:00 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Erm, you might want to google that. There's lots of info. Obviously jaws works fine with it or I wouldn't love it, would I? I paid 300 dollars for it. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Julio jmoro...@ca.rr.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: RE: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Hey how musch did you pay for your computer and does it work great with jaws. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Szinnyey Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:54 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to be able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. Short of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? I use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help would be much appreciated! Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
I'm not Frank, but this is nevertheless important. Virtual Audio Cable, which I've tried myself, is a very clever piece of software that installs virtual audio drivers that can be paired together to form cables. How it works is that one side of the cable, the application sending the audio will use, then in order for the connection to work a receiving application must connect to the second cable. Sounds complicated? Think of plugging your hi-fi into your computer using a line in and line out cable. It's similar to that. Hope this helps? -- Chris Hallsworth e-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 - Original Message - From: Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Frank, can you say more about that? How, if at all, does it compare to Total Recorder (I'm guessing it does different things than TR.) What is the cost and where can I find it? I know I can Google it, but I want a good source from which to purchase it if I decide it's the way to go. MIght just stick with Total Recorder which I do know some about, but just want to know about the different options and advantages. Vac is something I've not heard of till you mentioned it. Thanks lots! Peace, Kathy Listen to Kathy and Fred on the Web at http://www.live365.com/stations/cityslackers/ http://www.fredkate.libsyn.com - Original Message - From: Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:28 AM Subject: RE: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | Yes, many sound cards, like the one you have in that netbook, don't have | that functionality. To get around this you usually can install VAC, | which is Virtual Audio Cable. I had this problem with a stream server | that is run on a virtual machine with a SB16 sound card emulated. That | SB16 doesn't have the what you hear capability but adding Virtual Audio | Cable fixed that. | Frank Ventura, MCP | | | -Original Message- | From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org | [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Szinnyey | Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:54 AM | To: PC Audio Discussion List | Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | | Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it | | doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to | be | able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. | Short | of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice | | recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is | there | any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? | I | use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help | would | be much appreciated! | | Peace, | Kathy | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG - www.avg.com | Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: | 03/06/09 19:17:00 | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Yeh, TR emulates a what you hear option by installing a virtual driver that routes audio to your real soundcard, this is why it can also be used as a system sound device without losing sound. -- Chris Hallsworth e-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 - Original Message - From: Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Hi, Chris! Hmmm . . . so TR uses its own what you hear option, eh? Guess I thought athat that option came through just because of Windows XP. Well, that's very cool. It's a good inexpensive program. Thanks very much for the tip! Peace Kathy Listen to Kathy and Fred on the Web at http://www.live365.com/stations/cityslackers/ http://www.fredkate.libsyn.com - Original Message - From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | Hello, try Total Recorder from www.totalrecorder.com. This is an amazing | product as it installs a driver that simulates a what you hear affect on | your sound card, except that the driver directly captures what's being sent | to your sound card. It's also a media player, and, in more advanced | editions, an audio editor, processing tool and a converter. Fully accessible | too. | | -- | Chris Hallsworth | e-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com | MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com | Skype: chrishallsworth7266 | - Original Message - | From: Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com | To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org | Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:54 PM | Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | | | Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it | doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to be | able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. Short | of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice | recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there | any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? I | use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help would | be much appreciated! | | Peace, | Kathy | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Okay. Well, I must be doing something wrong because when I tried to use stereo mix, seems like I couldn't get the internal mike to record but the music I was playing did come out on the recording. I wello may just be doing something wrong, as I'm just learning about how to use the Asus. And what does Mike boost do exactly, if you don't mind letting me know. I turned it off, had to turn my recording level way down low, because the recording made using the internal microphone clipped like mad! Smile. What am I missing? If you want to, you can respond to me privately at joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com but maybe others might learn something, too. This is my first foray into the brave new world of the netbook, never owned a laptop before this one. Peace, Kathy Listen to Kathy and Fred on the Web at http://www.live365.com/stations/cityslackers/ http://www.fredkate.libsyn.com - Original Message - From: Constantine tcwoo...@shaw.ca To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | Your actually mistaken there, smile. | The feature is called stario mix, and you'll find it under audio settings. | You'll have to go to properties by hitting alt p, and you'll have to go to | the recording radio button, check stario mix. | It can be called stario mix, what you hear, wave out. I have 5 computers. 4 | out of those five have stario mix, the other one is something called record | master. | | | | contact details: | | email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca | | and others | msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com | skype: the_conman283 | | system details: | Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc | AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu | 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio | - Original Message - | From: Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com | To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org | Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:54 AM | Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | | | Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it | doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to | be | able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. | Short | of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice | recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there | any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? | I | use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help | would | be much appreciated! | | Peace, | Kathy | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
OK folks, let's get back to discussing audio. That's the main reason we are here. ** Original Message From: Kelly Pierce ** The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. Kelly - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN kbroli...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: JFW Mailing List j...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and
RE: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Typically I don't think those can work together. I remember in the Creative Labs stuff I that you had a choice. What you hear or mic. Now I think I can check both and have them both play on my realtech card but haven't tried so am not certain. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Szinnyey Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:51 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Okay. Well, I must be doing something wrong because when I tried to use stereo mix, seems like I couldn't get the internal mike to record but the music I was playing did come out on the recording. I wello may just be doing something wrong, as I'm just learning about how to use the Asus. And what does Mike boost do exactly, if you don't mind letting me know. I turned it off, had to turn my recording level way down low, because the recording made using the internal microphone clipped like mad! Smile. What am I missing? If you want to, you can respond to me privately at joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com but maybe others might learn something, too. This is my first foray into the brave new world of the netbook, never owned a laptop before this one. Peace, Kathy Listen to Kathy and Fred on the Web at http://www.live365.com/stations/cityslackers/ http://www.fredkate.libsyn.com - Original Message - From: Constantine tcwoo...@shaw.ca To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | Your actually mistaken there, smile. | The feature is called stario mix, and you'll find it under audio settings. | You'll have to go to properties by hitting alt p, and you'll have to go to | the recording radio button, check stario mix. | It can be called stario mix, what you hear, wave out. I have 5 computers. 4 | out of those five have stario mix, the other one is something called record | master. | | | | contact details: | | email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca | | and others | msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com | skype: the_conman283 | | system details: | Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc | AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu | 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio | - Original Message - | From: Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com | To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org | Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:54 AM | Subject: What you hear option not available on asus netbook | | | Hi, gang! I just purchased a lovely Asus netbook computer and notice it | doesn't have the What You Hear feature. There are times I would love to | be | able to talk while playing music during an on-the-road live365 show. | Short | of buying a mixer or having to play music and then go back and add voice | recording, which sounds pretty tedious and un-spontaneous to me, is there | any software or anything I can do to emulate that what-you-hear feature? | I | use Studio Recorder at this moment for my reording program. Any help | would | be much appreciated! | | Peace, | Kathy | | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org | | | To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: | pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Well, so many on this list are happy with the Real Tek sound card in the ASUS PC's. It's interface is totally inaccessible for me. How are you using it? Am using Windows XP and Window-Eyes. Common tasks are fine but if I plug anything into the PC like head phones or a mic I get an in accessible interface. Sighty's see it and there's a list box of buttons asking what you plugged in and an ok button. Screen reader doesn't see it and tab and arrow keys are useless. Hope someone can help. B B Roger To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Jaws sees it. you tell it if you are using microphone, headphone or whatever. once you click on whatever it goes away. - Original Message - From: Roger Stewart paga...@wi.rr.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Well, so many on this list are happy with the Real Tek sound card in the ASUS PC's. It's interface is totally inaccessible for me. How are you using it? Am using Windows XP and Window-Eyes. Common tasks are fine but if I plug anything into the PC like head phones or a mic I get an in accessible interface. Sighty's see it and there's a list box of buttons asking what you plugged in and an ok button. Screen reader doesn't see it and tab and arrow keys are useless. Hope someone can help. B B Roger To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Do you feel this way about all advocacy groups or just the NFB? Joining a mailing list isn't the same as joining an advocacy group, helping to set it's agenda and then working to implement that agenda. I don't always agree with the positions of the NFB or ACB, but I respect them as organizations and it's members who are willing to come together and work for the benefit of the blind. IMHO, if you don't like the positions of the NFB, ACB or some other group then you should join that group and help determine it's positions. It isn't like the NFB or ACB aren't made up of blind people and the positions they come up with aren't held by some blind people. I'm also a little confused about the opinions of some on the list. If I recall the history of this issue, there were no laws requiring described video when WGBH, the Department of Education and others were producing described video. The NFB didn't do anything to prevent any of this, they only opposed the passage of a law requiring it. I don't see how anything now is any different than what it was before this law was defeated. BTW, I don't think the NFB should as been as vocal as it was opposing this law, but I agree with the NFB that this should not be mandated via a law. Every time a law is passed mandating accessibility, there's a price to pay in things like public acceptance. For this and other reasons, passing such a law should not be done lightly. I've listened to quite a few movies with described video lately, mostly via the Blind Mice Movie Vault, and I find that movies I tended to enjoy when I watched them without described video are the same movies I tend to enjoy with described video. Movies I couldn't sit through when they weren't described, such as 2001 A Space odyssey, I still can't watch with described video. Listening to someone describe all of the interesting things that happen when you're in a weightless environment is only nominally more interesting than long passages of silence. I've also seen a big difference in the quality of described video, and I wonder how good the described video would be if it were mandated. Kelly Pierce wrote: The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. Kelly - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN kbroli...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: JFW Mailing List j...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To:
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Amen on this topic. I know I'll probably get yelled at but everyone who wants anything described should contact congress if there is some current legislation. Remember that this is the reason tv networks stopped describing programs because they never got feedback from people. There was a time when the networks were starting come around but because of the lack of feedback and the NFB this was short-lived. thanks bb - Original Message - From: Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. Kelly - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN kbroli...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: JFW Mailing List j...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but
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Oops, sorry! I meant to send that privately. I guess I forgot to change the address. I beg forgiveness from the list and the moderator. Christopher Chaltain wrote: Do you feel this way about all advocacy groups or just the NFB? Joining a mailing list isn't the same as joining an advocacy group, helping to set it's agenda and then working to implement that agenda. I don't always agree with the positions of the NFB or ACB, but I respect them as organizations and it's members who are willing to come together and work for the benefit of the blind. IMHO, if you don't like the positions of the NFB, ACB or some other group then you should join that group and help determine it's positions. It isn't like the NFB or ACB aren't made up of blind people and the positions they come up with aren't held by some blind people. I'm also a little confused about the opinions of some on the list. If I recall the history of this issue, there were no laws requiring described video when WGBH, the Department of Education and others were producing described video. The NFB didn't do anything to prevent any of this, they only opposed the passage of a law requiring it. I don't see how anything now is any different than what it was before this law was defeated. BTW, I don't think the NFB should as been as vocal as it was opposing this law, but I agree with the NFB that this should not be mandated via a law. Every time a law is passed mandating accessibility, there's a price to pay in things like public acceptance. For this and other reasons, passing such a law should not be done lightly. I've listened to quite a few movies with described video lately, mostly via the Blind Mice Movie Vault, and I find that movies I tended to enjoy when I watched them without described video are the same movies I tend to enjoy with described video. Movies I couldn't sit through when they weren't described, such as 2001 A Space odyssey, I still can't watch with described video. Listening to someone describe all of the interesting things that happen when you're in a weightless environment is only nominally more interesting than long passages of silence. I've also seen a big difference in the quality of described video, and I wonder how good the described video would be if it were mandated. Kelly Pierce wrote: The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. Kelly - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN kbroli...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: JFW Mailing List j...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original
