Re: Apple TV, how's it getting on?

[Dane Trethowan]

I must do some research on the Sonos connect, that might be a useful 
tool here too since I just don't fancy the stand-alone Sonos players 
around at the moment.



On 13/09/2016 10:19 PM, John Gurd wrote:

Hi Dane
I am embarrassed to say I have done very little with my Apple TV for some 
months. It kind of got overtaken by the Sonos Connect which I've been using to 
access my Apple Music account instead as I can also use it for Amazon Prime 
music too. To be honest I think it sounds better too.

I got a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with the Apple TV and still haven't got 
around to it. I think it's due a TVOS update so I'll make a point of 
reacquainting myself with it and let you know if there's anything of interest.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 13 September 2016 01:56
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Apple TV, how's it getting on?

Hi!

I know several list members own an Apple TV 4th gen so I'm curious to know how 
the Apple TV experience is coming along, have there been any major updates or 
changes?

I have an Android Neo box in my ounge which I really love but I am thinking of 
an Apple TV in the Den now where I have my old Samsung 19 inch TV so can just 
plug the Apple TV directly into that.

RE: Apple TV, how's it getting on?

[John Gurd]

Hi Dane
I am embarrassed to say I have done very little with my Apple TV for some 
months. It kind of got overtaken by the Sonos Connect which I've been using to 
access my Apple Music account instead as I can also use it for Amazon Prime 
music too. To be honest I think it sounds better too. 

I got a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with the Apple TV and still haven't got 
around to it. I think it's due a TVOS update so I'll make a point of 
reacquainting myself with it and let you know if there's anything of interest.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 13 September 2016 01:56
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Apple TV, how's it getting on?

Hi!

I know several list members own an Apple TV 4th gen so I'm curious to know how 
the Apple TV experience is coming along, have there been any major updates or 
changes?

I have an Android Neo box in my ounge which I really love but I am thinking of 
an Apple TV in the Den now where I have my old Samsung 19 inch TV so can just 
plug the Apple TV directly into that.

Apple TV, how's it getting on?

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

I know several list members own an Apple TV 4th gen so I'm curious to 
know how the Apple TV experience is coming along, have there been any 
major updates or changes?


I have an Android Neo box in my ounge which I really love but I am 
thinking of an Apple TV in the Den now where I have my old Samsung 19 
inch TV so can just plug the Apple TV directly into that.

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Les Gordon]

sometimes apps can be slightly different on various devices or set top 
boxes. functionality may also vary slightly between devices too. the reason 
is because of the software that runs the device or box. the app has to be 
configured to work with that specific device.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen



Interesting. The people I've heard complaining about netflix on set top
boxes don't have issues with it on actual android phones or tablets,
just on the set tops, such as the older google Nexus. So I wonder why
it works on some and not others, especially the nexus brand. There has
been speculation that the app on the set top box is not the same app as
on devices such as nexus 9 tablet, obtained from the playstore. Since I
don't use netflix on my Nexus 6 and don't have an accessible android tv
set top box, I have 0 personal experience in this realm.

Mary

mary

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Mary Otten]

Interesting. The people I've heard complaining about netflix on set top
boxes don't have issues with it on actual android phones or tablets,
just on the set tops, such as the older google Nexus. So I wonder why
it works on some and not others, especially the nexus brand. There has
been speculation that the app on the set top box is not the same app as
on devices such as nexus 9 tablet, obtained from the playstore. Since I
don't use netflix on my Nexus 6 and don't have an accessible android tv
set top box, I have 0 personal experience in this realm.

Mary

mary

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

Yet another media option with the minx so will explorer that, seems to becoming 
a fast obsession of mine, streaming and media boxes .

The Android Sony I’m getting has Netflix built-in to it so this brings up a few 
interesting questions.

Firstly just how accessible - if at all - is the Sony version of Netflix and 
will I have to install the Android version? I’ve had no problems with same on 
my Galaxy Note4 and S6 devices so I don’t see any major problem.

I have a wonderful VPN in place here so nothing to slow me down there either.

Thanks for the info.


> On 19 Feb 2016, at 4:46 PM, Lisa-Maree <lisa_ma...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have a minx x8-h media box, and have had no problems with Netflix or any
> other service in terms of speech with either talkback, or shineplus,
> otherwise known as screen reader for blind.   They are both great software
> packages which manage android apps very well.
> 
> The only thing with some of the media boxes is that Netflix does not support
> all devices yet at this stage, and I have found that a vpn is needed in
> order to get the app up and running, even for Australia.  This is not an
> issue, though, and will more than likely change in time.  Looking at
> upgrading to minx x8-h plus very soon.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:16 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen
> 
> I'm on a very high traffic android list, and there has lately been
> discussion of android tv boxes, but not an actual tv set, on that list.
> People have had issues making certain services that are not  directly from
> google, such as Netflix, work at all with talkback.  Devices discussed
> include the nexus, Shield and another one that is something like metracom,
> but I'm sure I've got that spelled wrong. How much did this Sony android set
> set you back? No pun intended. 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Lisa-Maree]

Hi all,
I have a minx x8-h media box, and have had no problems with Netflix or any
other service in terms of speech with either talkback, or shineplus,
otherwise known as screen reader for blind.   They are both great software
packages which manage android apps very well.

The only thing with some of the media boxes is that Netflix does not support
all devices yet at this stage, and I have found that a vpn is needed in
order to get the app up and running, even for Australia.  This is not an
issue, though, and will more than likely change in time.  Looking at
upgrading to minx x8-h plus very soon.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:16 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

I'm on a very high traffic android list, and there has lately been
discussion of android tv boxes, but not an actual tv set, on that list.
People have had issues making certain services that are not  directly from
google, such as Netflix, work at all with talkback.  Devices discussed
include the nexus, Shield and another one that is something like metracom,
but I'm sure I've got that spelled wrong. How much did this Sony android set
set you back? No pun intended. 

Mary

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

for the love of keeping things simple I’m referring to the Sony Android TV as 
“Free To Air” TV as it has nothing whatever to do with Cable or Satellite TV 
unless you connect an external Set Top Box to the TV itself so - for the 
purposes of that discussion Satellite and Cable boxes don’t mean anything much 
here -.

I’m sure I’ll find an alternative to the standard Sony Electronic Programme 
Guide for the TV, my best bet in Australia would seem to be something like the 
ICETV Electronic Programme guide with is available on multiple platforms.

The idea of this guide is that it can be synced with multiple devices.

If the worst comes to the worst and I can’t use the Sony Android TV then I do 
have a guide I can use through my IOS/Android devices from a company called 
Fetch TV who make a Set Top Box complete with the accessible App which allows 
you to browse the Electronic Programme Guide, schedule recordings and 
everything else.


> On 18 Feb 2016, at 9:27 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I will be interested to know how you get on with things like netflix
> and other non-google things, including that program guide, although
> wouldn't your program guide come from your cable or satelite provider,
> assuming you have one, of course?
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**
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halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes it does - as 99% of Android devices do - though you’ll have to install 
Google Talkback yourself.

The TV does have a talking setup.


> On 18 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Peter Scanlon <sca...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> 
> So does this TV work with the TAlkback screen reader?
> So that one can navigate channels, look at the program guide. 
>Does it also allo allow access to things like Netflics, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dane Trethowan 
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 9:07 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen
> 
> Set Top Boxes running Android are everywhere, there’s even a Remix Mini TV 
> version which you can use.
> 
> As I said earlier the Android TV is exactly that, a TV running Android 
> Lollypop with all the stuff a TV should have - Electronic Programme guide etc 
> - with the usual stuff, dedicated Netflix and Youtube functions, dedicated 
> Google Chromecast streaming, facilities to use Apps from the Play store, 
> Voice search and so on.
> 
> The system is without its flaws of course, I believe that the Electronic 
> Programme Guide is a little difficult to access for example but I’m hoping 
> that perhaps their may be a workaround so one thing at a time, I’m hoping to 
> have the TV in around 3 weeks from now.
> 
> 
>> On 18 Feb 2016, at 2:04 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> No, the boxes I'm talking about are set-top boxes, not full tvs. The
>> Shield, which is the most expensive of the lot, runs $200 or so. The
>> nexus is the original one from google, and rumor has it that a new one
>> will be forthcoming this year. It was selling quite cheap over here a
>> few months back, on clearance, I suspect. And the Metracom, or however
>> it is spelled, runs around $100 or a tad less on amazon. My husband
>> actually bought one of them, because he wanted to experiment with Kody.
>> Again, these are strictly set top boxes, more like the Apple tv in that
>> respect, rather than being a full tv set. How android tv may differ in
>> these boxes from android tv in your set, I have no idea. Both the
>> shield and the metracom are advertised as coming with lolly pop version
>> of android tv, so it seems like they should be the same, just based on
>> that, and supposedly the two newer devices are in line for the upgrade
>> to android 6.0.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 

**
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Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Mary Otten]

I will be interested to know how you get on with things like netflix
and other non-google things, including that program guide, although
wouldn't your program guide come from your cable or satelite provider,
assuming you have one, of course?

Mary

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Peter Scanlon]

So does this TV work with the TAlkback screen reader?
So that one can navigate channels, look at the program guide. 
Does it also allo allow access to things like Netflics, etc.



From: Dane Trethowan 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 9:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

Set Top Boxes running Android are everywhere, there’s even a Remix Mini TV 
version which you can use.

As I said earlier the Android TV is exactly that, a TV running Android Lollypop 
with all the stuff a TV should have - Electronic Programme guide etc - with the 
usual stuff, dedicated Netflix and Youtube functions, dedicated Google 
Chromecast streaming, facilities to use Apps from the Play store, Voice search 
and so on.

The system is without its flaws of course, I believe that the Electronic 
Programme Guide is a little difficult to access for example but I’m hoping that 
perhaps their may be a workaround so one thing at a time, I’m hoping to have 
the TV in around 3 weeks from now.


> On 18 Feb 2016, at 2:04 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> No, the boxes I'm talking about are set-top boxes, not full tvs. The
> Shield, which is the most expensive of the lot, runs $200 or so. The
> nexus is the original one from google, and rumor has it that a new one
> will be forthcoming this year. It was selling quite cheap over here a
> few months back, on clearance, I suspect. And the Metracom, or however
> it is spelled, runs around $100 or a tad less on amazon. My husband
> actually bought one of them, because he wanted to experiment with Kody.
> Again, these are strictly set top boxes, more like the Apple tv in that
> respect, rather than being a full tv set. How android tv may differ in
> these boxes from android tv in your set, I have no idea. Both the
> shield and the metracom are advertised as coming with lolly pop version
> of android tv, so it seems like they should be the same, just based on
> that, and supposedly the two newer devices are in line for the upgrade
> to android 6.0.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

Set Top Boxes running Android are everywhere, there’s even a Remix Mini TV 
version which you can use.

As I said earlier the Android TV is exactly that, a TV running Android Lollypop 
with all the stuff a TV should have - Electronic Programme guide etc - with the 
usual stuff, dedicated Netflix and Youtube functions, dedicated Google 
Chromecast streaming, facilities to use Apps from the Play store, Voice search 
and so on.

The system is without its flaws of course, I believe that the Electronic 
Programme Guide is a little difficult to access for example but I’m hoping that 
perhaps their may be a workaround so one thing at a time, I’m hoping to have 
the TV in around 3 weeks from now.


> On 18 Feb 2016, at 2:04 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> No, the boxes I'm talking about are set-top boxes, not full tvs. The
> Shield, which is the most expensive of the lot, runs $200 or so. The
> nexus is the original one from google, and rumor has it that a new one
> will be forthcoming this year. It was selling quite cheap over here a
> few months back, on clearance, I suspect. And the Metracom, or however
> it is spelled, runs around $100 or a tad less on amazon. My husband
> actually bought one of them, because he wanted to experiment with Kody.
> Again, these are strictly set top boxes, more like the Apple tv in that
> respect, rather than being a full tv set. How android tv may differ in
> these boxes from android tv in your set, I have no idea. Both the
> shield and the metracom are advertised as coming with lolly pop version
> of android tv, so it seems like they should be the same, just based on
> that, and supposedly the two newer devices are in line for the upgrade
> to android 6.0.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**
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halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Rick Alfaro]

Mary,

I'm using the Kodi screen reader on my Windows PC but as you mentioned, it
doesn't work under Android which is a bummer. I've heard plans are to get it
working but not holding by breath for that one.

Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:33 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi Rick,

Are you using Kody with the Kody screen reader? I thought that was
accessible, more or less, only on the pc. 

Mary

RE: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Mary Otten]

Hi Rick,

Are you using Kody with the Kody screen reader? I thought that was
accessible, more or less, only on the pc. 

Mary

RE: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Rick Alfaro]

Understood.  I have a similar box called TWBB which stands for "The Worlds
Best Box" that comes with Kodi preinstalled and preconfigured. It's been
working great, offering latest release movies and such but recently, the
servers that have been offering up their streams have been dropping like
flys so finding good streams with the latest movies has become a chore now.
I have a feelling that they are being hunted down and being forced to shut
down but not sure.

Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 10:05 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

No, the boxes I'm talking about are set-top boxes, not full tvs. The
Shield, which is the most expensive of the lot, runs $200 or so. The
nexus is the original one from google, and rumor has it that a new one
will be forthcoming this year. It was selling quite cheap over here a
few months back, on clearance, I suspect. And the Metracom, or however
it is spelled, runs around $100 or a tad less on amazon. My husband
actually bought one of them, because he wanted to experiment with Kody.
Again, these are strictly set top boxes, more like the Apple tv in that
respect, rather than being a full tv set. How android tv may differ in
these boxes from android tv in your set, I have no idea. Both the
shield and the metracom are advertised as coming with lolly pop version
of android tv, so it seems like they should be the same, just based on
that, and supposedly the two newer devices are in line for the upgrade
to android 6.0.

Mary

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Mary Otten]

No, the boxes I'm talking about are set-top boxes, not full tvs. The
Shield, which is the most expensive of the lot, runs $200 or so. The
nexus is the original one from google, and rumor has it that a new one
will be forthcoming this year. It was selling quite cheap over here a
few months back, on clearance, I suspect. And the Metracom, or however
it is spelled, runs around $100 or a tad less on amazon. My husband
actually bought one of them, because he wanted to experiment with Kody.
Again, these are strictly set top boxes, more like the Apple tv in that
respect, rather than being a full tv set. How android tv may differ in
these boxes from android tv in your set, I have no idea. Both the
shield and the metracom are advertised as coming with lolly pop version
of android tv, so it seems like they should be the same, just based on
that, and supposedly the two newer devices are in line for the upgrade
to android 6.0.

Mary

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Hamit Campos]

Ah okay.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:25 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: SV: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi,
Wow no. It's only the plug that looks a little bit alike.

Brian

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Sendt: 17. februar 2016 14:19
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Emne: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

This thing with the voice cutting out is disturbing and strange. I've seen
it with my Bose SoundLink blu-tooth speaker when I use it with a PC. Also
strangely it now does it with the IPhone too. I don't understand what's
going on over there with you all because and someone can correct me if thiss
ain't so, but HDMI is kinda like USB ain't it?

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:44 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi Mary

Ah well, you've got me there. I should have been more specific. I didn't use
the remote to enter any passwords, etc. Most of the set up was done using
that handy Bluetooth transfer thing you can do with your iPhone and my wife
put in the remaining password. I was only referring to navigation with the
remote. 

I have my Apple TV connected to an Arcam AVR750 reciever via an HDMI so you
could be right and it is affecting Voice Over for some reason. I haven't
tried disconnecting the TV from the receiver, but interestingly, anytime I
turn on the Apple TV my Sony Bravia TV automatically comes on as well. I'll
try turning off the Sony to see if it turns off the Apple TV. 

Regards

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 16 February 2016 20:51
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I think
you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant learning curve,
especially when it comes  to actually having to type something in, such as a
mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding out for bluetooth keyboard
access, which is supposedly coming with the next major release of tv os, if
I can believe what I read in the mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd generation
apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we experimented and
connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our tv, rather than going
through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound bar. When connected
directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem completely disappeared.
Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the sound from the apple tv went
to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results with
the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I haven't a
clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and use
all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an example,
with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch netflix unless
the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

SV: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Brian Olesen]

Hi,
Wow no. It's only the plug that looks a little bit alike.

Brian

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Campos
Sendt: 17. februar 2016 14:19
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Emne: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

This thing with the voice cutting out is disturbing and strange. I've seen
it with my Bose SoundLink blu-tooth speaker when I use it with a PC. Also
strangely it now does it with the IPhone too. I don't understand what's
going on over there with you all because and someone can correct me if thiss
ain't so, but HDMI is kinda like USB ain't it?

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:44 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi Mary

Ah well, you've got me there. I should have been more specific. I didn't use
the remote to enter any passwords, etc. Most of the set up was done using
that handy Bluetooth transfer thing you can do with your iPhone and my wife
put in the remaining password. I was only referring to navigation with the
remote. 

I have my Apple TV connected to an Arcam AVR750 reciever via an HDMI so you
could be right and it is affecting Voice Over for some reason. I haven't
tried disconnecting the TV from the receiver, but interestingly, anytime I
turn on the Apple TV my Sony Bravia TV automatically comes on as well. I'll
try turning off the Sony to see if it turns off the Apple TV. 

Regards

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 16 February 2016 20:51
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I think
you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant learning curve,
especially when it comes  to actually having to type something in, such as a
mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding out for bluetooth keyboard
access, which is supposedly coming with the next major release of tv os, if
I can believe what I read in the mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd generation
apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we experimented and
connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our tv, rather than going
through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound bar. When connected
directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem completely disappeared.
Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the sound from the apple tv went
to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results with
the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I haven't a
clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and use
all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an example,
with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch netflix unless
the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Hamit Campos]

This thing with the voice cutting out is disturbing and strange. I've seen
it with my Bose SoundLink blu-tooth speaker when I use it with a PC. Also
strangely it now does it with the IPhone too. I don't understand what's
going on over there with you all because and someone can correct me if thiss
ain't so, but HDMI is kinda like USB ain't it?

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:44 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi Mary

Ah well, you've got me there. I should have been more specific. I didn't use
the remote to enter any passwords, etc. Most of the set up was done using
that handy Bluetooth transfer thing you can do with your iPhone and my wife
put in the remaining password. I was only referring to navigation with the
remote. 

I have my Apple TV connected to an Arcam AVR750 reciever via an HDMI so you
could be right and it is affecting Voice Over for some reason. I haven't
tried disconnecting the TV from the receiver, but interestingly, anytime I
turn on the Apple TV my Sony Bravia TV automatically comes on as well. I'll
try turning off the Sony to see if it turns off the Apple TV. 

Regards

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 16 February 2016 20:51
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I think
you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant learning curve,
especially when it comes  to actually having to type something in, such as a
mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding out for bluetooth keyboard
access, which is supposedly coming with the next major release of tv os, if
I can believe what I read in the mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd generation
apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we experimented and
connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our tv, rather than going
through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound bar. When connected
directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem completely disappeared.
Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the sound from the apple tv went
to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results with
the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I haven't a
clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and use
all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an example,
with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch netflix unless
the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[John Gurd]

Hi Mary

Ah well, you've got me there. I should have been more specific. I didn't use
the remote to enter any passwords, etc. Most of the set up was done using
that handy Bluetooth transfer thing you can do with your iPhone and my wife
put in the remaining password. I was only referring to navigation with the
remote. 

I have my Apple TV connected to an Arcam AVR750 reciever via an HDMI so you
could be right and it is affecting Voice Over for some reason. I haven't
tried disconnecting the TV from the receiver, but interestingly, anytime I
turn on the Apple TV my Sony Bravia TV automatically comes on as well. I'll
try turning off the Sony to see if it turns off the Apple TV. 

Regards

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 16 February 2016 20:51
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I think
you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant learning curve,
especially when it comes  to actually having to type something in, such as a
mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding out for bluetooth keyboard
access, which is supposedly coming with the next major release of tv os, if
I can believe what I read in the mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd generation
apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we experimented and
connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our tv, rather than going
through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound bar. When connected
directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem completely disappeared.
Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the sound from the apple tv went
to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results with
the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I haven't a
clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and use
all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an example,
with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch netflix unless
the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

Oh by the way, you'll know a Sony Android Smart TV as the TV - at least 
in Australia anyway - has something like "Sony Android Smart TV" 
advertised/stamped on it.




On 17/02/2016 4:15 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I'm on a very high traffic android list, and there has lately been
discussion of android tv boxes, but not an actual tv set, on that list.
People have had issues making certain services that are not  directly
from google, such as Netflix, work at all with talkback.  Devices
discussed include the nexus, Shield and another one that is something
like metracom, but I'm sure I've got that spelled wrong. How much did
this Sony android set set you back? No pun intended.

Mary




--

**
Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

Great Pun Mary, enjoyed it .

I don't want to sound difficult but I'd rather not mention a price given 
the Australian Dollar is very low compared to the U.S. dollar and also 
for the fact that their may be far more Android TV'S available in the 
U.S. than in Australia - in fact I'm very sure of that -.


The model I'm getting is a 50 inch model and it has multiple 
inputs/outputs, an audio line-out for example plus digital out and HDMI.


You can also use a Bluetooth keyboard, Mouse or Airpad depending on your 
preference, personally I like to have all 3 devices on hand depending on 
what App I'm running obviously.


I don't know of the other boxes you've mentioned though I am interested, 
do these boxes come wiht Tuners to receive FTA TV built-in? Obviously 
the Sony set does along with a couple of USB ports and 4 HDMI input 
ports - how many damn HDMI ports does none need  -


Installing Apps is easy enough it seems, you can't get too far without 
having a Google account and thus access to the Google Play Store.  If 
you'd rather not install Apps that way and download them yourself then 
you can place them on a USB stick and use a File Browser App to find the 
downloaded Apps and install that way.




On 17/02/2016 4:15 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I'm on a very high traffic android list, and there has lately been
discussion of android tv boxes, but not an actual tv set, on that list.
People have had issues making certain services that are not  directly
from google, such as Netflix, work at all with talkback.  Devices
discussed include the nexus, Shield and another one that is something
like metracom, but I'm sure I've got that spelled wrong. How much did
this Sony android set set you back? No pun intended.

Mary




--

**
Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves

Re: Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Mary Otten]

I'm on a very high traffic android list, and there has lately been
discussion of android tv boxes, but not an actual tv set, on that list.
People have had issues making certain services that are not  directly
from google, such as Netflix, work at all with talkback.  Devices
discussed include the nexus, Shield and another one that is something
like metracom, but I'm sure I've got that spelled wrong. How much did
this Sony android set set you back? No pun intended. 

Mary

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

BT Keyboard support has nothing whatever to do with BT Speakers .

You can of course connect an AirPlay device to the Apple TV right out of the 
box, you don’t even need to have the Apple TV connected to an existing Home 
Network.


> On 17 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Stephanie Mitchell <sim.musicsch...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I also got appletv last week. I'm debating if I get netflix, foxtell, or 
> some other service. I'd like to connect a bt speaker to the tv and cant wait 
> for bt keyboard support.
> Steph 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Robert Williams  <bobbyrob1...@gmail.com>
> To: PC Audio Discussion List  <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:52 am
> Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have the both the 3rd and the 4th generation apple tvs and you do not  
>> need to have the tv on.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
>>> think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
>>> learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
>>> something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
>>> out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
>>> next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
>>> mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
>>> 
>>> That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
>>> generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
>>> experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
>>> tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
>>> bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
>>> completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
>>> sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
>>> Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
>>> with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
>>> haven't a clue why.
>>> 
>>> I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
>>> use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
>>> example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
>>> netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
>>> There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
>>> remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
>>> physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> Mitchell Piano Studio
> Phone: 0450354342
> Web: www.mitchellpianostudio.com 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Sony Android TV Was Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

As far as I’m concerned the Apple Forth Generation TV means absolutely nothing 
whatever to me any longer now that I’ve decided to get my Sony Android Smart TV 
and I’m very glad I did the more I read about the Apple TV.

I do appreciate of course that a Sony Android Smart TV won’t be for everyone 
though it does have some clear advantages over its Apple TV and other 
competition in the market place.

Yes, there are blind people using these things so I know a fair deal about them 
already without having to have bought one and also the fact that I’m an Android 
user too with my Samsung Galaxy S6 and Android 5.11 Lollypop so I know of what 
to expect.

As far as I know Sony are the only company to manufacturing Android TV sets and 
I’m hoping this will change in time given that Google has released its Android 
TV Operating System which the Sony sets are using.

I can understand why other company’s such as Samsung are reluctant to go down 
that road right now having invested a huge amount in their own TV Hibred 
operating systems so full marks to Sony for jumping onto the Google Band wagon 
and giving us some accessible competition.


> On 17 Feb 2016, at 7:50 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
> think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
> learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
> something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
> out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
> next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
> mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
> 
> That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
> generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
> experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
> tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
> bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
> completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
> sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
> Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
> with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
> haven't a clue why.
> 
> I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
> use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
> example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
> netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
> There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
> remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
> physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Hamit Campos]

That's right. If the TV has ARC audio return channel you can have the audio
go from the tv strangelyto the HDMI out of the AV that is sending the vid to
the TV. Odd right? But it works. Yeah HDCP this ticks off Leo Laporte and he
always ends any discussion of this kind of thing by saying thanks a lot
Holly Wood. He says they're paranoid. Same opinion applys for Microsoft.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Rick
Alfaro
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi Mary. Funny you should mention the speech dropout issue as I recently ran
into this myself but not with the Apple TV. It was with a mini pc that I had
connected to an HDMI port on my receiver. It was really annoying and totally
ruined the whole experience of using the PC. Like you, the problem was
solved when I connected the PC to one of the HDMI ports on the TV. In my
case however, sound continued to be routed to my home theater system because
the TV was connected to the receiver via HDMI as well.

Regarding what you experienced  with Netflix not playing when your TV wasn't
plugged in, unfortunately, that's the way it is due to the HDCP (hd copy
protection) present on any of these media streamers which is required by any
of the services that offer movies and copy protected music.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:51 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I think
you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant learning curve,
especially when it comes  to actually having to type something in, such as a
mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding out for bluetooth keyboard
access, which is supposedly coming with the next major release of tv os, if
I can believe what I read in the mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd generation
apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we experimented and
connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our tv, rather than going
through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound bar. When connected
directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem completely disappeared.
Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the sound from the apple tv went
to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results with
the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I haven't a
clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and use
all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an example,
with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch netflix unless
the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Mary. Funny you should mention the speech dropout issue as I recently ran
into this myself but not with the Apple TV. It was with a mini pc that I had
connected to an HDMI port on my receiver. It was really annoying and totally
ruined the whole experience of using the PC. Like you, the problem was
solved when I connected the PC to one of the HDMI ports on the TV. In my
case however, sound continued to be routed to my home theater system because
the TV was connected to the receiver via HDMI as well.

Regarding what you experienced  with Netflix not playing when your TV wasn't
plugged in, unfortunately, that's the way it is due to the HDCP (hd copy
protection) present on any of these media streamers which is required by any
of the services that offer movies and copy protected music.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:51 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
haven't a clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Stephanie Mitchell]

I also got appletv last week. I'm debating if I get netflix, foxtell, or 
some other service. I'd like to connect a bt speaker to the tv and cant wait 
for bt keyboard support.
Steph 

- Original Message -
From: Robert Williams  <bobbyrob1...@gmail.com>
To: PC Audio Discussion List  <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:52 am
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

>
>
> 
> I have the both the 3rd and the 4th generation apple tvs and you do not  need 
> to have the tv on.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi John,
> > 
> > Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
> > think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
> > learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
> > something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
> > out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
> > next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
> > mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
> > 
> > That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
> > generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
> > experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
> > tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
> > bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
> > completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
> > sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
> > Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
> > with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
> > haven't a clue why.
> > 
> > I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
> > use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
> > example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
> > netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
> > There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
> > remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
> > physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
> > 
> > Mary
> > 
> > 
> 

Mitchell Piano Studio
Phone: 0450354342
Web: www.mitchellpianostudio.com 

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Robert Williams]

I have the both the 3rd and the 4th generation apple tvs and you do not  need 
to have the tv on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
> think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
> learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
> something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
> out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
> next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
> mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
> 
> That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
> generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
> experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
> tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
> bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
> completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
> sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
> Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
> with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
> haven't a clue why.
> 
> I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
> use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
> example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
> netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
> There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
> remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
> physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Les Gordon]

mary, with the new apple tv you can use the hdmi and if connected to a 
surround sound receiver you do not need to have your tv on. you can just 
listen to the audio through the receiver. also the problem with voice over 
cutting out. the software could be corrupted and might need a fresh install 
of software. a full factory reset can sometimes fix those problems. i have 
the apple tv 3rd gen and also 4th gen and never any problems with voiceover 
cutting out.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen



Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
mainstream Apple-oriented press.

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
haven't a clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Mary Otten]

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
haven't a clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

Apple TV 4th Gen

[John Gurd]

I got the Apple TV 4th gen last week. I had been resisting because the 3rd
Gen audio was so poor. 

 

I have to say the 4th gen sounds much better. This is based exclusively on
my use of the Apple Music service. Maybe it's just down to the better WIFI
capacity, I don't know, but the audio sound is full and more detailed and
much more acceptable. I haven't tried any movies yet.

 

One thing I noticed with the 3rd gen TV (especially since the last few
updates) and that is that Voice Over was terrible. I don't mean the audio
quality. I mean much of the time the beginning of any menu or selection was
cut off to the point where it was unintelligible. The speech was delayed and
had weird pitch-altering effects. I assumed (probably correctly) that the
hardware could not handle the extra work of Voice Over. Well, it's a lot
better in the 4th gen, but it's still present at times. If you pause and
then flick to another selection the first bit of the spoken item can get
truncated. Sometimes you have to flick away and back again to hear it
properly. I'm using the UK Voice which is Daniel so maybe it doesn't happen
with other voices. 

 

The remote is quite easy to use and because it's based on swiping it is a
lot like using any other IOS device. If I discover anything else of note
I'll let you know.

 

John

 

 

RE: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound sogood...

[John Gurd]

That's a very helpful explanation. So no Voice Over with the Apple TV without 
resampling. Oh well, at least now we know. I might go ahead and buy the new 
Apple TV anyway. My wife would probably use some of the apps, so I can pretend 
it's not really for me. (smiles)

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 06 February 2016 17:54
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound 
sogood...

Hi!

I wrote to an audio engineer friend of mine forwarding him the original email 
from this list written by john and his explanation is an interesting one, 
certainly the practise is more common it seems than I thought:

> Unfortunately, this is *very* common practice.  Horrible as it is for decent 
> audio, forcing everything to one output sampling rate and bit-depth is 
> unavoidable for the vast majority of consumer hardware, otherwise which 
> wouldn't be able to support playing multiple simultaneous output streams of 
> differing formats.  The SoundBlaster Live and above do exactly this in 
> hardware, which is why SB cards always sounded bloody horrible at anything 
> other than 48KHz.  XP and above do it in software; OSX and IOS do the same, 
> as (I imagine) does Android; Linux and BSD do it if you use a Sound Server. 
> It's an absolutely attrocious way to handle audio, but necessary if you want 
> the sound device to be able to do more than one thing at a time. Fortunately, 
> Linux at least can be made to pass the stream directly to the hardware, but 
> of course the device loses the ability then for multiple streams for that 
> particular sound device. So, e.g., no speech output wilst playing music.  If 
> you want the best possible precision and still want multiple streams, the 
> simplest solution is to install a professional Sound Server such as Jack 
> Audio Connection Kit (Linux, Win, and (I believe) OSX), which, although it 
> has to resample, has very high-precision resampling algorithms, and does a 
> very good job.  Of course, it's more CPU-intensive.

> On 5 Feb 2016, at 8:36 AM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
> 


So there we are, take it or leave it 


> I heard the 48k sampling rate is more common in video than it is for music or 
> anything else. Maybe it's what a TV would expect to see if HDMI is used.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" 
> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound 
> sogood...
> 
> 
> Well to be perfectly honest that s Apple for you and where would you find any 
> serious audio reviews about anything Apple?
> 
> Okay, I did find plenty of reviews and information regarding the audio for my 
> 2012 Mac Mini machine but Apple just won t release too much information about 
> anything else it seems when it comes to audio.
> 
> I m glad you mentioned that about the Apple TV and now I m having second 
> thoughts about that purchase for myself too.
> 
> 
>> On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:38 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I got an Apple TV 3rd Gen a year or so ago to use with MusicMatch and 
>> my HiFi. I was really disappointed to discover that it really didn't 
>> sound that great even with a HDMI connection. I recently read that 
>> for some reason it resamples music from 44.1KHZ to 48KHZ. This is the 
>> equivalent to transcoding on the fly which is inevitably going to sound 
>> terrible.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The thing is, I really love the new Apple music service and I am 
>> tempted to buy the Apple TV 4th Gen in order to use the service with 
>> my living room system. But once bitten, twice shy. I haven't been 
>> able to find out if it handles music in the same way. I haven't even 
>> been able to find any serious reviews of its audio quality.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
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> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound sogood...

[Dane Trethowan]

Yep point taken or you can just grin and bare it and consider how convenient 
the device might be, at least you can stream your content at the tap of the 
control.

> On 8 Feb 2016, at 8:15 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> That's a very helpful explanation. So no Voice Over with the Apple TV without 
> resampling. Oh well, at least now we know. I might go ahead and buy the new 
> Apple TV anyway. My wife would probably use some of the apps, so I can 
> pretend it's not really for me. (smiles)
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 06 February 2016 17:54
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound 
> sogood...
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I wrote to an audio engineer friend of mine forwarding him the original email 
> from this list written by john and his explanation is an interesting one, 
> certainly the practise is more common it seems than I thought:
> 
>> Unfortunately, this is *very* common practice.  Horrible as it is for decent 
>> audio, forcing everything to one output sampling rate and bit-depth is 
>> unavoidable for the vast majority of consumer hardware, otherwise which 
>> wouldn't be able to support playing multiple simultaneous output streams of 
>> differing formats.  The SoundBlaster Live and above do exactly this in 
>> hardware, which is why SB cards always sounded bloody horrible at anything 
>> other than 48KHz.  XP and above do it in software; OSX and IOS do the same, 
>> as (I imagine) does Android; Linux and BSD do it if you use a Sound Server. 
>> It's an absolutely attrocious way to handle audio, but necessary if you want 
>> the sound device to be able to do more than one thing at a time. 
>> Fortunately, Linux at least can be made to pass the stream directly to the 
>> hardware, but of course the device loses the ability then for multiple 
>> streams for that particular sound device. So, e.g., no speech output wilst 
>> playing music.  If you want the best possible precision and still want 
>> multiple streams, the simplest solution is to install a professional Sound 
>> Server such as Jack Audio Connection Kit (Linux, Win, and (I believe) OSX), 
>> which, although it has to resample, has very high-precision resampling 
>> algorithms, and does a very good job.  Of course, it's more CPU-intensive.
> 
>> On 5 Feb 2016, at 8:36 AM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
>> 
> 
> 
> So there we are, take it or leave it 
> 
> 
>> I heard the 48k sampling rate is more common in video than it is for music 
>> or anything else. Maybe it's what a TV would expect to see if HDMI is used.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" 
>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 3:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound 
>> sogood...
>> 
>> 
>> Well to be perfectly honest that s Apple for you and where would you find 
>> any serious audio reviews about anything Apple?
>> 
>> Okay, I did find plenty of reviews and information regarding the audio for 
>> my 2012 Mac Mini machine but Apple just won t release too much information 
>> about anything else it seems when it comes to audio.
>> 
>> I m glad you mentioned that about the Apple TV and now I m having second 
>> thoughts about that purchase for myself too.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:38 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got an Apple TV 3rd Gen a year or so ago to use with MusicMatch and 
>>> my HiFi. I was really disappointed to discover that it really didn't 
>>> sound that great even with a HDMI connection. I recently read that 
>>> for some reason it resamples music from 44.1KHZ to 48KHZ. This is the 
>>> equivalent to transcoding on the fly which is inevitably going to sound 
>>> terrible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The thing is, I really love the new Apple music service and I am 
>>> tempted to buy the Apple TV 4th Gen in order to use the service with 
>>> my living room system. But once bitten, twice shy. I haven't been 
>>> able to find out if it handles music in the same way. I haven't even 
>>> been able to find any serious reviews of its audio quality.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> **
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>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound sogood...

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

I wrote to an audio engineer friend of mine forwarding him the original email 
from this list written by john and his explanation is an interesting one, 
certainly the practise is more common it seems than I thought:

> Unfortunately, this is *very* common practice.  Horrible as it is for decent 
> audio, forcing everything to one output sampling rate and bit-depth is 
> unavoidable for the vast majority of consumer hardware, otherwise which 
> wouldn't be able to support playing multiple simultaneous output streams of 
> differing formats.  The SoundBlaster Live and above do exactly this in 
> hardware, which is why SB cards always sounded bloody horrible at anything 
> other than 48KHz.  XP and above do it in software; OSX and IOS do the same, 
> as (I imagine) does Android; Linux and BSD do it if you use a Sound Server. 
> It's an absolutely attrocious way to handle audio, but necessary if you want 
> the sound device to be able to do more than one thing at a time. Fortunately, 
> Linux at least can be made to pass the stream directly to the hardware, but 
> of course the device loses the ability then for multiple streams for that 
> particular sound device. So, e.g., no speech output wilst playing music.  If 
> you want the best possible precision and still want multiple streams, the 
> simplest solution is to install a professional Sound Server such as Jack 
> Audio Connection Kit (Linux, Win, and (I believe) OSX), which, although it 
> has to resample, has very high-precision resampling algorithms, and does a 
> very good job.  Of course, it's more CPU-intensive.

> On 5 Feb 2016, at 8:36 AM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
> 


So there we are, take it or leave it 


> I heard the 48k sampling rate is more common in video than it is for music or 
> anything else. Maybe it's what a TV would expect to see if HDMI is used.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound 
> sogood...
> 
> 
> Well to be perfectly honest that’s Apple for you and where would you find any 
> serious audio reviews about anything Apple?
> 
> Okay, I did find plenty of reviews and information regarding the audio for my 
> 2012 Mac Mini machine but Apple just won’t release too much information about 
> anything else it seems when it comes to audio.
> 
> I’m glad you mentioned that about the Apple TV and now I’m having second 
> thoughts about that purchase for myself too.
> 
> 
>> On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:38 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I got an Apple TV 3rd Gen a year or so ago to use with MusicMatch and my
>> HiFi. I was really disappointed to discover that it really didn't sound that
>> great even with a HDMI connection. I recently read that for some reason it
>> resamples music from 44.1KHZ to 48KHZ. This is the equivalent to transcoding
>> on the fly which is inevitably going to sound terrible.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The thing is, I really love the new Apple music service and I am tempted to
>> buy the Apple TV 4th Gen in order to use the service with my living room
>> system. But once bitten, twice shy. I haven't been able to find out if it
>> handles music in the same way. I haven't even been able to find any serious
>> reviews of its audio quality.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
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> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound sogood...

[Brent Harding]

I heard the 48k sampling rate is more common in video than it is for music 
or anything else. Maybe it's what a TV would expect to see if HDMI is used.


- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound 
sogood...



Well to be perfectly honest that’s Apple for you and where would you find 
any serious audio reviews about anything Apple?


Okay, I did find plenty of reviews and information regarding the audio for 
my 2012 Mac Mini machine but Apple just won’t release too much information 
about anything else it seems when it comes to audio.


I’m glad you mentioned that about the Apple TV and now I’m having second 
thoughts about that purchase for myself too.




On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:38 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

I got an Apple TV 3rd Gen a year or so ago to use with MusicMatch and my
HiFi. I was really disappointed to discover that it really didn't sound 
that

great even with a HDMI connection. I recently read that for some reason it
resamples music from 44.1KHZ to 48KHZ. This is the equivalent to 
transcoding

on the fly which is inevitably going to sound terrible.



The thing is, I really love the new Apple music service and I am tempted 
to

buy the Apple TV 4th Gen in order to use the service with my living room
system. But once bitten, twice shy. I haven't been able to find out if it
handles music in the same way. I haven't even been able to find any 
serious

reviews of its audio quality.



John





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Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound sogood...

[Dane Trethowan]

That might be true but all the same the Apple TV really has no need that I can 
tell to convert sampling rates given that equipment connected to it should be 
able to handle sampling rates automatically and in fact conversion could be 
more a nuisance to the output system than its worth.


> On 5 Feb 2016, at 8:36 AM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
> 
> I heard the 48k sampling rate is more common in video than it is for music or 
> anything else. Maybe it's what a TV would expect to see if HDMI is used.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound 
> sogood...
> 
> 
> Well to be perfectly honest that’s Apple for you and where would you find any 
> serious audio reviews about anything Apple?
> 
> Okay, I did find plenty of reviews and information regarding the audio for my 
> 2012 Mac Mini machine but Apple just won’t release too much information about 
> anything else it seems when it comes to audio.
> 
> I’m glad you mentioned that about the Apple TV and now I’m having second 
> thoughts about that purchase for myself too.
> 
> 
>> On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:38 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I got an Apple TV 3rd Gen a year or so ago to use with MusicMatch and my
>> HiFi. I was really disappointed to discover that it really didn't sound that
>> great even with a HDMI connection. I recently read that for some reason it
>> resamples music from 44.1KHZ to 48KHZ. This is the equivalent to transcoding
>> on the fly which is inevitably going to sound terrible.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The thing is, I really love the new Apple music service and I am tempted to
>> buy the Apple TV 4th Gen in order to use the service with my living room
>> system. But once bitten, twice shy. I haven't been able to find out if it
>> handles music in the same way. I haven't even been able to find any serious
>> reviews of its audio quality.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
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> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound so good...

[Dane Trethowan]

Well to be perfectly honest that’s Apple for you and where would you find any 
serious audio reviews about anything Apple?

Okay, I did find plenty of reviews and information regarding the audio for my 
2012 Mac Mini machine but Apple just won’t release too much information about 
anything else it seems when it comes to audio.

I’m glad you mentioned that about the Apple TV and now I’m having second 
thoughts about that purchase for myself too.


> On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:38 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> I got an Apple TV 3rd Gen a year or so ago to use with MusicMatch and my
> HiFi. I was really disappointed to discover that it really didn't sound that
> great even with a HDMI connection. I recently read that for some reason it
> resamples music from 44.1KHZ to 48KHZ. This is the equivalent to transcoding
> on the fly which is inevitably going to sound terrible.
> 
> 
> 
> The thing is, I really love the new Apple music service and I am tempted to
> buy the Apple TV 4th Gen in order to use the service with my living room
> system. But once bitten, twice shy. I haven't been able to find out if it
> handles music in the same way. I haven't even been able to find any serious
> reviews of its audio quality. 
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound sogood...

[Les Gordon]

i have a apple tv 3rd gen and 4th gen. what i noticed is the sound quality 
is all dependent upon the original source. they give alot of free radio 
stations that are great, but it tells you the quality of each and some are 
streaming in low quality audio. others are in high quality. i noticed a 
clear difference in the sound.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound 
sogood...



Well to be perfectly honest that’s Apple for you and where would you find 
any serious audio reviews about anything Apple?


Okay, I did find plenty of reviews and information regarding the audio for 
my 2012 Mac Mini machine but Apple just won’t release too much information 
about anything else it seems when it comes to audio.


I’m glad you mentioned that about the Apple TV and now I’m having second 
thoughts about that purchase for myself too.




On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:38 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

I got an Apple TV 3rd Gen a year or so ago to use with MusicMatch and my
HiFi. I was really disappointed to discover that it really didn't sound 
that

great even with a HDMI connection. I recently read that for some reason it
resamples music from 44.1KHZ to 48KHZ. This is the equivalent to 
transcoding

on the fly which is inevitably going to sound terrible.



The thing is, I really love the new Apple music service and I am tempted 
to

buy the Apple TV 4th Gen in order to use the service with my living room
system. But once bitten, twice shy. I haven't been able to find out if it
handles music in the same way. I haven't even been able to find any 
serious

reviews of its audio quality.



John





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Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound sogood...

[Dane Trethowan]

Speaking of high quality radio stations, Congratulations to the BBC for giving 
us 320K streams, absolutely brilliant particularly for the Radio 3 service, now 
all the BBC need do is to improve the content.


> On 5 Feb 2016, at 9:14 AM, Les Gordon <mr...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> i have a apple tv 3rd gen and 4th gen. what i noticed is the sound quality is 
> all dependent upon the original source. they give alot of free radio stations 
> that are great, but it tells you the quality of each and some are streaming 
> in low quality audio. others are in high quality. i noticed a clear 
> difference in the sound.
> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 4:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound 
> sogood...
> 
> 
> Well to be perfectly honest that’s Apple for you and where would you find any 
> serious audio reviews about anything Apple?
> 
> Okay, I did find plenty of reviews and information regarding the audio for my 
> 2012 Mac Mini machine but Apple just won’t release too much information about 
> anything else it seems when it comes to audio.
> 
> I’m glad you mentioned that about the Apple TV and now I’m having second 
> thoughts about that purchase for myself too.
> 
> 
>> On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:38 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I got an Apple TV 3rd Gen a year or so ago to use with MusicMatch and my
>> HiFi. I was really disappointed to discover that it really didn't sound that
>> great even with a HDMI connection. I recently read that for some reason it
>> resamples music from 44.1KHZ to 48KHZ. This is the equivalent to transcoding
>> on the fly which is inevitably going to sound terrible.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The thing is, I really love the new Apple music service and I am tempted to
>> buy the Apple TV 4th Gen in order to use the service with my living room
>> system. But once bitten, twice shy. I haven't been able to find out if it
>> handles music in the same way. I haven't even been able to find any serious
>> reviews of its audio quality.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Now I know why music on the Apple TV 3rd Gen doesn't sound so good...

[John Gurd]

I got an Apple TV 3rd Gen a year or so ago to use with MusicMatch and my
HiFi. I was really disappointed to discover that it really didn't sound that
great even with a HDMI connection. I recently read that for some reason it
resamples music from 44.1KHZ to 48KHZ. This is the equivalent to transcoding
on the fly which is inevitably going to sound terrible.

 

The thing is, I really love the new Apple music service and I am tempted to
buy the Apple TV 4th Gen in order to use the service with my living room
system. But once bitten, twice shy. I haven't been able to find out if it
handles music in the same way. I haven't even been able to find any serious
reviews of its audio quality. 

 

John

 

The Fourth-Generation Apple TV: An Accessibility Evaluation for People with Visual Impairments - AccessWorld® - January 2016

[Dane Trethowan]

> http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw170104 
> 


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Re: Plus7 Now Available On Apple TV

[Les Gordon]

the new remote on the apple tv really takes some getting use to. you can 
still use the old remote with the new apple tv,
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From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:48 PM
Subject: Plus7 Now Available On Apple TV


For those in australia, Plus7 is now available on the Apple TV - I assume 
its the 4G model we’re talking about here -.


Plus7 is the Seven Networks “Catchup TV” service.

I’m looking forward to trying this when I get my Apple TV which will be 
early next year some time so therefore I can’t give any information as to 
the accessibility of the App but I doubt there’ll be any problems if my 
encounters with previous Apple TV offerings are anything to go by.



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Plus7 Now Available On Apple TV

[Dane Trethowan]

For those in australia, Plus7 is now available on the Apple TV - I assume its 
the 4G model we’re talking about here -.

Plus7 is the Seven Networks “Catchup TV” service.

I’m looking forward to trying this when I get my Apple TV which will be early 
next year some time so therefore I can’t give any information as to the 
accessibility of the App but I doubt there’ll be any problems if my encounters 
with previous Apple TV offerings are anything to go by.


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Jonathan Mosen has a book about the 4th gen Apple TV: wasRE: Plus7 Now Available On Apple TV

[Kevin Minor]

Hi Dane.

Subject says it all.  I've asked Santa for the 4th gen for Christmas, and I got 
Jonathan's book on the 4th gen Apple TV.  Not sure where the link is, since I 
clicked in the email Jonathan sent out.  I can see if I can find it if you need 
it.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
kmino...@outlook.com

Re: Plus7 Now Available On Apple TV

[Dane Trethowan]

Thanks for that.

I’m going to have fun in a month’s time or thereabouts then.

Jonathan Mosen wrote a book on the Apple TV though I’m still trying to find out 
whether it covers the 3G or 4G, the book came out before the official release 
of the 4G.

For those who are interested - and if you don’t want to be bothered with Apps - 
the 3G Apple TV version is still being sold in the Apple Store - at least in 
Australia - but that of course means that you won’t get the benefit of Apps - 
but you can still enjoy things the way they are.

Another workaround with the new Apple TV might be a Bluetooth keyboard? As far 
as I know the 4G - like the 2G and 3G before it - will work with a Bluetooth 
keyboard.

The iPhone App I think mary is referring to is the Apple Remote App so I’ll 
take a look at that at the appropriate time.


> On 21 Dec 2015, at 11:13 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Well, this new way of doing things on apple tv means you really can't
> go by previous experiences with older models. That is because they now
> have an app model rather than a channel model. So gone is the
> accessible grid-type layout. The remote is totally different. There is,
> as yet, no bt keyboard access, but there is apparently some sort of
> work around involving the use of an iPhone. Since I don't have the A tv
> 4, I didn't pay particular attention to the details. And, with the app
> model, it means that who ever develops the app for the channel or group
> of channels is free to make it as accessible or not as they wish.
> Hopefully, this one you just mentioned will have done the right thing
> with regard to implementing accessibility within their app.Netflix
> still hasn't managed to make  audio description accessible by the end
> user. You have to call them and hope you get a rep with a clue; they
> turn it on for you at their end, and then it is on for everybody all
> the time on any program that has it, whether they want it or not, e.g.
> somebody sighted who doesn't want it is out of luck. 
> 
> Hopefully, all this stuff will get ironed out in time, and the
> experience will end up being a positive one with more variety and
> flexibility than we enjoyed with older versions. I myself am not
> running out to buy one. 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

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Re: Plus7 Now Available On Apple TV

[Mary Otten]

Well, this new way of doing things on apple tv means you really can't
go by previous experiences with older models. That is because they now
have an app model rather than a channel model. So gone is the
accessible grid-type layout. The remote is totally different. There is,
as yet, no bt keyboard access, but there is apparently some sort of
work around involving the use of an iPhone. Since I don't have the A tv
4, I didn't pay particular attention to the details. And, with the app
model, it means that who ever develops the app for the channel or group
of channels is free to make it as accessible or not as they wish.
Hopefully, this one you just mentioned will have done the right thing
with regard to implementing accessibility within their app.Netflix
still hasn't managed to make  audio description accessible by the end
user. You have to call them and hope you get a rep with a clue; they
turn it on for you at their end, and then it is on for everybody all
the time on any program that has it, whether they want it or not, e.g.
somebody sighted who doesn't want it is out of luck. 

Hopefully, all this stuff will get ironed out in time, and the
experience will end up being a positive one with more variety and
flexibility than we enjoyed with older versions. I myself am not
running out to buy one. 

Mary

Dane, make sure you get the right Apple TV book.

[Kevin Minor]

Hi again, Dane.

You want to make sure you're getting the right Apple TV book.  It has the 4th 
gen in its title.

Just making sure you don't get the wrong book.

Kevin

Re: Plus7 Now Available On Apple TV

[Dane Trethowan]

Do you navigate using the new remote as you would on a touch screen for an IOS 
device or is that slightly different again.


> On 21 Dec 2015, at 10:50 AM, Les Gordon <mr...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> the new remote on the apple tv really takes some getting use to. you can 
> still use the old remote with the new apple tv,
> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:48 PM
> Subject: Plus7 Now Available On Apple TV
> 
> 
> For those in australia, Plus7 is now available on the Apple TV - I assume its 
> the 4G model we’re talking about here -.
> 
> Plus7 is the Seven Networks “Catchup TV” service.
> 
> I’m looking forward to trying this when I get my Apple TV which will be early 
> next year some time so therefore I can’t give any information as to the 
> accessibility of the App but I doubt there’ll be any problems if my 
> encounters with previous Apple TV offerings are anything to go by.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: Plus7 Now Available On Apple TV

[Mary Otten]

Nope. No bluetooth keyboard, or that's what I've read in the mainstream
tech press. That's the bummer. The layout for typing on the new one
stinks and no bluetooth keyboard support. But there is something you
can do with an iphone to enable a better typing experience; that's what
I was mentioning in my other message on this thread. I should have paid
more attention to the steps, I guess, but since I wasn't going to buy
the new tv any time soon, and I have enough trouble remembering stuff I
need to know,  Well, you get the picture. 

Mary

Re: Jonathan Mosen has a book about the 4th gen Apple TV: wasRE: Plus7 Now Available On Apple TV

[Dane Trethowan]

that’s okay about the link, I have it here so thanks for the confirmation that 
the book covers the latest Apple TV version.

For those interested you can find a review of the book in a previous edition of 
AFB’S Access World.


> On 21 Dec 2015, at 11:30 AM, Kevin Minor <kmino...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dane.
> 
> Subject says it all.  I've asked Santa for the 4th gen for Christmas, and I 
> got Jonathan's book on the 4th gen Apple TV.  Not sure where the link is, 
> since I clicked in the email Jonathan sent out.  I can see if I can find it 
> if you need it.
> 
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
> kmino...@outlook.com

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Re: Dane, make sure you get the right Apple TV book.

[Dane Trethowan]

I’ll keep that in mind when buying and and I’m sure others will find this 
helpful info too.


> On 21 Dec 2015, at 11:53 AM, Kevin Minor <kmino...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi again, Dane.
> 
> You want to make sure you're getting the right Apple TV book.  It has the 4th 
> gen in its title.
> 
> Just making sure you don't get the wrong book.
> 
> Kevin

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Apple TV take your favourite Apple TV Variety

[Dane Trethowan]

Exactly that.

In Australia at least not only is the new 4G Apple TV being sold but the 3G is 
also available.

There is quite a difference and the first notable difference is in price, the 
Apple 3G TV is around $110 Australian whereas the 4G 64GB version is around 
$350.

What’s the difference between the 2 generations? the 4G supports Apps - similar 
to how an iPhone or iPad does - but the 3G doesn’t however you can still 
purchase TV episodes and so on from the iTunes store, use an accessible version 
of Netflix, stream your Music, listen to Radio Stations and use Voiceover, no 
Siri with the 3G version unfortunately but some might still consider the 3G 
version an absolute bargain, I know I do and - now that I know that both 3G and 
4G versions are available - I’ll wait a little longer, save a bit more and buy 
both Gens, can put one in the den for example.

And a final word with regard to the Apple TV 4G, I notice that Pandora have 
released an App so I can’t wait to see that.


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Plex for Apple TV

[Dane Trethowan]

> https://plex.tv/appletv 


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New Apple TV Notes

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

I guess this is to be expected with devices being released in modern 
times and the Apple TV is the first device I've heard of not to have an 
Optical Digital Out connect or even a Coax 1, the new Apple TV has a 
HDMI port so obviously its designed to integrate into a Surround-Sound 
Receiver or to plug straight into the HDMI port on the back of your TV - 
or at the front if you're lucky enough to have a TV with a front mounted 
HDMI port -.


The Apple TV Forth Generation is the first Set Top Box type device I've 
seen to only have a HDMI output.


All the other Set Top Boxes I own have at least some sort of dedicated 
audio digital output - the Apple TV First generation has Analogue 
outputs, coax and optical as well as HDMI, Second and Third Generations 
have Optical as well as HDMI - and all the other boxes I have - my 
Foxtel Cable Box and my Fetch TV Box - have multiple outputs which 
include HDMI, Optical/Coax digital outs and analogue outs but times they 
are a changing and the new Apple Forth Generation TV is a sign of the 
changin times though I don't think we needed any further reminding .



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Review: Apple TV - home entertainment

[Dane Trethowan]

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/gadgets-on-the-go/review-apple-tv--home-entertainment-20151028-gkl8fl.html

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RE: New Apple TV: Anyone Have One?

[Rick Alfaro]

Not yet as they just were made available for pre-order yesterday. I have one of 
the 64gb models on order and should have it by next week hopefully.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 9:37 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: New Apple TV: Anyone Have One?

Hi!

Does anyone have one of the new Apple TV devices? I'm thinking about 
that being one of my purchases early next year.


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Re: New Apple TV: Anyone Have One?

[Mary Otten]

The Apple tv just went on sale in the app store today; not yet in Apple
stores, I understand.

Mary

Re: New Apple TV: Anyone Have One?

[Mary Otten]

Sorry, not the app store, the on line apple store. 

Mary

Re: New Apple TV: Anyone Have One?

[Dane Trethowan]

Don’t worry Mary madder, I knew exactly what you meant .


> On 27 Oct 2015, at 1:15 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, not the app store, the on line apple store. 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

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Re: New Apple TV: Anyone Have One?

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay thanks for that as I thought it had been readily available for a month or 
so now.

> On 27 Oct 2015, at 1:06 PM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> The Apple tv just went on sale in the app store today; not yet in Apple
> stores, I understand.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

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New Apple TV: Anyone Have One?

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

Does anyone have one of the new Apple TV devices? I'm thinking about 
that being one of my purchases early next year.



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Apple TV reinvented to include Siri and an easier way to enjoy apps on your TV -

[Dane Trethowan]

http://www.techguide.com.au/news/apps-news-feed/appletv-reinvented-to-include-siri-and-an-easier-way-to-enjoy-apps-on-your-tv/

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Stream It! Music, Movies, and More with Apple TV and VoiceOver, by Jonathan Mosen: A Book Review - AccessWorld® - August 2015

[Dane Trethowan]

https://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw160804

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Differences Between Apple TV 2 and Apple TV 3 @ EveryMac.com

[Dane Trethowan]

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/apple-tv/apple-tv-faq/differences-between-3rd-gen-2012-2nd-gen-black-apple-tv.html

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apple tv voice over audio problem

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,

I hope this is not out of bounds for this list. I have a 2nd generation
Apple tv, which is the first one to have had voice over available. It
is up to date. If I connect this apple tv to a tv via the hdmi cable,
voice over sounds through the tv's crappy speakers as expected, and it
is smooth, not choppy at all.

If, however, I do one of the following 2 scenarios, voice over is
choppy, with entire words often being missed. The words are always
those at the beginning of an utterance. Thus, if I focus on the word
movies, I might hear nothing, or I might just here the least hint of
the last vowel and the s. If I focus on a movie or song title,
sometimes, I hear the whole thing. Some times I get a piece of the last
word. 

Here are the scenarios where this occurs.

Connect the A tv to a tv via hdmi. Connect that same tv to a sound bar
via the supplied optical digital cable, as per the instructions for the
sound bar. Program audio through the sound bar is smooth and sounds
good. Voice over exhibits the symptoms described above.

Connect the apple tv to a tv with the hdmi cable. Connect digital
optical cable from the apple tv to the optical digital input of an a/v
receiver, which is connected to speakers in the room. Program audio is
fine. voice over audio has the problems described above. So it seems
that whenever the optical cable is involved, whether directly from the
A tv or from the tv to a sound bar, voice over is not usable. I can't
believe this is a widespread problem. Surely I'm not the only v/o user
who has used a digital optical cable with an A tv. But I've done it
with two different cables and with two different scenarios, so I'm
somewhat reluctant to go plunk down 90 or a hundred bucks, just to find
out there is an inherent flaw in the system, not just with my single
apple tv. I can't believe all the audio loving blind folks who use
these things have been satisfied listening to the programming through
universally crappy speakers that are a part of flat screen tvs.

Any advice here?

Mary

RE: apple tv voice over audio problem

[Rick Alfaro]

Mary,

I'm not near my Apple TV right now, but if I'm not mistaken, there's an
audio setting in the settings menu somewhere. I believe that by default it
is set to auto. What happens if you set it to the optical out instead of
auto?



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 12:42 PM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: apple tv voice over audio problem

Hi all,

I hope this is not out of bounds for this list. I have a 2nd generation
Apple tv, which is the first one to have had voice over available. It
is up to date. If I connect this apple tv to a tv via the hdmi cable,
voice over sounds through the tv's crappy speakers as expected, and it
is smooth, not choppy at all.

If, however, I do one of the following 2 scenarios, voice over is
choppy, with entire words often being missed. The words are always
those at the beginning of an utterance. Thus, if I focus on the word
movies, I might hear nothing, or I might just here the least hint of
the last vowel and the s. If I focus on a movie or song title,
sometimes, I hear the whole thing. Some times I get a piece of the last
word. 

Here are the scenarios where this occurs.

Connect the A tv to a tv via hdmi. Connect that same tv to a sound bar
via the supplied optical digital cable, as per the instructions for the
sound bar. Program audio through the sound bar is smooth and sounds
good. Voice over exhibits the symptoms described above.

Connect the apple tv to a tv with the hdmi cable. Connect digital
optical cable from the apple tv to the optical digital input of an a/v
receiver, which is connected to speakers in the room. Program audio is
fine. voice over audio has the problems described above. So it seems
that whenever the optical cable is involved, whether directly from the
A tv or from the tv to a sound bar, voice over is not usable. I can't
believe this is a widespread problem. Surely I'm not the only v/o user
who has used a digital optical cable with an A tv. But I've done it
with two different cables and with two different scenarios, so I'm
somewhat reluctant to go plunk down 90 or a hundred bucks, just to find
out there is an inherent flaw in the system, not just with my single
apple tv. I can't believe all the audio loving blind folks who use
these things have been satisfied listening to the programming through
universally crappy speakers that are a part of flat screen tvs.

Any advice here?

Mary

RE: apple tv voice over audio problem

[Mary Otten]

Hi Rick,
There is a cable person installing cable now, but I will certainly look
for that setting. You think it should matter, even if, in the current
scenario, the digital optical cable runs from the tv to the sound bar,
not from the apple tv to anything? I could certainly see how this could
affect a set up where the digital optical out on the A tv was running
to my a/v receiver. But why should it affect things when using the
sound bar set up? In any case, I'm going to try it when the cable
person leaves, but it seems weird.

Mary

RE: apple tv voice over audio problem

[Mary Otten]

Somebody on another list suggested using the analog out on the tv to
the analog in on my sound bar to avoid this latency issue with the
digital optical cable from sound bar to tv. apple tv isn't the only
thing running into the tv. My husband has a blue ray, and we will have
cable. I have no idea if using the analog to analog would have an
impact on things other than possibly clearing up the v/o issue.
Thoughts? The sound bar is a Klipsch rb10.

Mary

RE: apple tv voice over audio problem

[Mary Otten]

Well, I did look for something useful for audio in settings, but the
only thing there was auto or 16 bit. So we just connected an analog
stereo cable from the analog out on the tv to analog in on the sound
bar. And the v/o problem is solved. 
Somebody suggested that the latency problem is fixed in 3rd gen apple
tvs, but somebody else said no, so who knows? I don't know what the
differences are between the two generations, so will probably just
stick with this for now.

Mary

RE: apple tv voice over audio problem

[Rick Alfaro]

Ahhh, sorry missed that part. Knowing that I'd say it probably has no affect
but I'd give it a shot anyhow. Wouldn't hurt. If it was running to the AV
receiver I'd say try game mode if your receiver had one but in the case of a
sound bar, I'm at a loss.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:17 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: RE: apple tv voice over audio problem

Hi Rick,
There is a cable person installing cable now, but I will certainly look
for that setting. You think it should matter, even if, in the current
scenario, the digital optical cable runs from the tv to the sound bar,
not from the apple tv to anything? I could certainly see how this could
affect a set up where the digital optical out on the A tv was running
to my a/v receiver. But why should it affect things when using the
sound bar set up? In any case, I'm going to try it when the cable
person leaves, but it seems weird.

Mary

RE: apple TV to RCA (composite)

[Merv Keck]

Hi,

Back in 2013 I purchased this one for about $45 US 

ViewHD Universal HDMI to Composite / S-Video Converter 

However, that item has been discontinued and they keep trying to point me to
something that does not have it's own power supply and I am not confident
that it would work as well. This worked great on my 55 inch television with
the red, white, and yellow inputs until I replaced it with a newer 60 inch
Samsung television that has HDMI inputs. Actually someone else replaced the
television and I hate it with the fire of a thousand suns but that is not
the point, laughs!

Perhaps yuou can locate this model somewhere locally or on a list somewhere.

Hope that helps,

Merv

 

 

 

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Wood]

I'm sorry. I should have been more clear:  What I mean is, Samsung makes an 
Android phone, and I'm just saying that I'm not going to buy that phone.  I 
would by an IPhone, as I mentioned.  What I'm thinking is that maybe I felt 
that I couldn't use an IPhone, or in other words, get it to work the TV, 
since it would be an IPhone, which I would buy.  I mentioned Samsung, 
because that's the kind that my brother said he has.  I guess I'm just 
looking at different TV's before I decide on one.  Thanks for your reply. 
I'm sorry if I confused things for you.
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


I have a Samsung TV here, its one of the cheaper 19 inch TV'S and I've had 
no trouble using it, has self voicing menus.


Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning here, what has a Samsung TV got to do 
with an Android phone? Are you saying that just because Samsung make an 
Android phone you can't use a Samsung washing machine?


Anyway that aside, the design of the TV is very simple, has a USB port which 
accepts multi media - audio and video -, a HDMI port for input from a HDMI 
device such as an Apple TV, the output of a surround-sound receiver etc.


The remote control - though rather large - is easy to get around and there 
are Braille signs for the main buttons, a V for volume up/down, c for 
channel up/down and so forth, perhaps people may find these markings of use 
when getting around the controller.


As for operating systems the Television uses? It uses a version of LYNUX as 
I understand it but that's really not the issue, so long as the Television 
can be used then who cares! what the inderlying operating system is.


I've had this TV for 3 years now, actually thinking of upgrading to 
something larger as I may have explained some time ago, Television cost me 
$150 which I thought - even 3 years ago - was a give away price.



On 8 Jun 2014, at 4:57 pm, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Subject has the answer. It's the Apple TV you want.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 08/06/2014 04:11, Gary Wood wrote:
I'm planning to get a new TV.  Some people say that Samsung is good, but 
Samsung makes Android smart phones.  I plan on getting an IPhone.  If 
anybody has one, will the IPHone work with that TV  I question it, 
because of the fact that Samsung makes an Android smart phone.







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Re: Apple TV

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Subject has the answer. It's the Apple TV you want.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 08/06/2014 04:11, Gary Wood wrote:

I'm planning to get a new TV.  Some people say that Samsung is good, but Samsung 
makes Android smart phones.  I plan on getting an IPhone.  If anybody has one, will 
the IPHone work with that TV  I question it, because of the fact that Samsung 
makes an Android smart phone.

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Wood]

Thanks, and I have it!  But like I said before, I need a TV that has more 
HDMI inputs, and this has only one.  Someone mentioned that I should get a 
cable splitter.  My dad did things like this, but I don't know how to do 
this.  That's why I think I'll get a new television, and maybe sell this one 
to a friend I know who would like to have it.
- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV



Subject has the answer. It's the Apple TV you want.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 08/06/2014 04:11, Gary Wood wrote:
I'm planning to get a new TV.  Some people say that Samsung is good, but 
Samsung makes Android smart phones.  I plan on getting an IPhone.  If 
anybody has one, will the IPHone work with that TV  I question it, 
because of the fact that Samsung makes an Android smart phone.

Re: Apple TV

[Dane Trethowan]

I have a Samsung TV here, its one of the cheaper 19 inch TV'S and I've had no 
trouble using it, has self voicing menus.

Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning here, what has a Samsung TV got to do with 
an Android phone? Are you saying that just because Samsung make an Android 
phone you can't use a Samsung washing machine?

Anyway that aside, the design of the TV is very simple, has a USB port which 
accepts multi media - audio and video -, a HDMI port for input from a HDMI 
device such as an Apple TV, the output of a surround-sound receiver etc.

The remote control - though rather large - is easy to get around and there are 
Braille signs for the main buttons, a V for volume up/down, c for channel 
up/down and so forth, perhaps people may find these markings of use when 
getting around the controller.

As for operating systems the Television uses? It uses a version of LYNUX as I 
understand it but that's really not the issue, so long as the Television can be 
used then who cares! what the inderlying operating system is.

I've had this TV for 3 years now, actually thinking of upgrading to something 
larger as I may have explained some time ago, Television cost me $150 which I 
thought - even 3 years ago - was a give away price.


On 8 Jun 2014, at 4:57 pm, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Subject has the answer. It's the Apple TV you want.
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu
 
 On 08/06/2014 04:11, Gary Wood wrote:
 I'm planning to get a new TV.  Some people say that Samsung is good, but 
 Samsung makes Android smart phones.  I plan on getting an IPhone.  If 
 anybody has one, will the IPHone work with that TV  I question it, because 
 of the fact that Samsung makes an Android smart phone.
 
 


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Re: Connecting Apple Tv to an older receiver with RCA aux/ins

[Bradford Trainham]

Thanks Steve--all!
I got a converter from Radio Shack and am now streaming like a World War I 
telegrapher!
(I guesws that’s a good thing, right?)
Brad

On May 2, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com wrote:

 Brad,
 
 There are two ways I know of to get analog outputs from an Apple TV.  First, 
 I needed to use an older TV with our 
 Apple TV and I bought a small converter for around $35 through Amazon that 
 has an HDMI input and two Analog Out and 
 a video out.  I ended up running the analog out to a stereo instead and it 
 sounded good.  an HDMI cable was not 
 included nor is a power supply, but I had to run mine from a USB power source 
 for it to run reliably.  There is also 
 a switch that allows one to choose between two color display systems.  
 
 Second, there is an audio optical output on the Apple TV and there are 
 converters that will convert from Optical 
 output to Analog output.  I believe I saw those on Amazon as well.  
 
 Best regards,
 
 Steve Jacobson
 
 On Fri, 2 May 2014 11:37:38 -0500, Bradford Trainham wrote:
 
 The subject line says it all.
 I want to stream audio via my Mac through an Apple Tv and from thence into a 
 receiver with RCA/aux inputs.
 Does a cable exist or does one need a converter box?
 Thanks,
 Brad Trainham
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Connecting Apple Tv to an older receiver with RCA aux/ins

[Bradford Trainham]

The subject line says it all.
I want to stream audio via my Mac through an Apple Tv and from thence into a 
receiver with RCA/aux inputs.
Does a cable exist or does one need a converter box?
Thanks,
Brad Trainham

Re: Connecting Apple Tv to an older receiver with RCA aux/ins

[Gary Schindler]

You can buy an HDMI to RCA converter. Amazon has a few of them. one can be 
had for around $20.00 to $30.00 or so.


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From: Bradford Trainham bradford.train...@sbcglobal.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:37 PM
Subject: Connecting Apple Tv to an older receiver with RCA aux/ins


The subject line says it all.
I want to stream audio via my Mac through an Apple Tv and from thence into a 
receiver with RCA/aux inputs.

Does a cable exist or does one need a converter box?
Thanks,
Brad Trainham



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Re: Connecting Apple Tv to an older receiver with RCA aux/ins

[Rob Bender]

Hi.  I bought a digital audio converter from Amazon for less than $20.  I do 
not remember the manufacturer, but you should be able to find what you need.  
You connect the Apple TV to the DAC with an optical cable and the box has left 
and right RCA jacks.  I stream content to our Bose all the time.  Hope this 
helps.

On May 2, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Bradford Trainham 
bradford.train...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 The subject line says it all.
 I want to stream audio via my Mac through an Apple Tv and from thence into a 
 receiver with RCA/aux inputs.
 Does a cable exist or does one need a converter box?
 Thanks,
 Brad Trainham
 
 

Re: Connecting Apple Tv to an older receiver with RCA aux/ins

[Steve Jacobson]

Brad,

There are two ways I know of to get analog outputs from an Apple TV.  First, I 
needed to use an older TV with our 
Apple TV and I bought a small converter for around $35 through Amazon that has 
an HDMI input and two Analog Out and 
a video out.  I ended up running the analog out to a stereo instead and it 
sounded good.  an HDMI cable was not 
included nor is a power supply, but I had to run mine from a USB power source 
for it to run reliably.  There is also 
a switch that allows one to choose between two color display systems.  

Second, there is an audio optical output on the Apple TV and there are 
converters that will convert from Optical 
output to Analog output.  I believe I saw those on Amazon as well.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 2 May 2014 11:37:38 -0500, Bradford Trainham wrote:

The subject line says it all.
I want to stream audio via my Mac through an Apple Tv and from thence into a 
receiver with RCA/aux inputs.
Does a cable exist or does one need a converter box?
Thanks,
Brad Trainham

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Wood]

At this time, I don't have it set up, because I had to get a replacement for 
my cablebox.  You see, when a frind of mine got it plugged in, my cablebox 
wouldn't work.  I don't know if the box failed because she plugged the Apple 
TV into it, or not.  I hope that shouldn't effect it though.
- Original Message - 
From: Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


Please explain more what you mean.  The Apple TV is an input to your 
regular TV so it does not interfere with what you watch on your regular 
TV.  The Apple
TV only received programming from the internet so it does not receive 
cable channels directly.  However, I'm not sure I answered your question.


Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:50:16 -0500, Gary Wood wrote:

When someone sets up Apple TV, can he or she still watch the cable 
channels normally watched, or can they only watch ones on the Apple TV 
system?

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Wood]

I am using HDMI.
- Original Message - 
From: Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV



Gary,

My response last night got stuck so is late, but the Apple TV shouldn't 
affect cable at all, it doesn't generally even use the same connections 
unless you're
using an HDMI cable from your cable box.  Please explain more about your 
setup.


Also, I've had an Apple TV for a year now and am very happy.  There are a 
good number of things you can do with it for free.  For example, you can
search for and watch a lot on YouTube, and there is a radio option that 
has a good number of options as well.  There is a lot that can be watched 
on PBS
as well.  While not free, the $7.99 a month Netflix streaming option let's 
you watch a lot of stuff on your Apple TV without paying for each program. 
If you
have other Apple devices such as an iPhone, there are some things you can 
do to share iTunes music between devices, and you can send your iPhone
output to your Apple TV which is nice if you have your Apple TV connected 
to a stereo.  You will need an Apple ID, but you don't need to pay to get 
that.


While Dane is correct that there are restrictions, the big one being that 
accessing your personal music must be done through iTunes, there are home
sharing options that let you access music from another computer on your 
network that provide some flexibility.  I have found the Netflix interface 
to be
much nicer than accessing it through a computer.  It would be interesting 
to know how Raspberry Pie handles that.  When someone says It's 
accessible
but not out of the box and there are several ways to go as was said about 
Raspberry pie, that sets off alarm bells for me.  Since you have already 
made
the purchase of the Apple TV, I'd be surprised if you regret it.  What 
concerns me a little is that there may not be a clear understanding of 
what the Apple
TV is, and some of us can help with that.  Generally, you can pay to get 
some programming and you can get some for free, but there aren't really 
apps as
such.  You will have to select which input you want to be watching on your 
TV, and that isn't always simple on some TV's but can usually be mastered.
However, we need to understand better how your system is set up and what 
you already understand so that we don't give you a bunch of useless

information.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 04:09:14 -0500, Gary Wood wrote:

I did buy one.  We tried setting it up the other day, but for some reason, 
I
couldn't get anything on cable.  What's the advantages of the Rasberry 
Pie?
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV




The Apple TV is a separate device from your cable system, nothing whatever
to do with the cable system, are you thinking of buying one? The Apple TV 
is
a good system, I have one but there are better systems available such as 
the

Raspberry Pi running XMC Media Center.



On 23 Feb 2014, at 1:50 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:



When someone sets up Apple TV, can he or she still watch the cable
channels normally watched, or can they only watch ones on the Apple TV
system?




**



Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Wood]

I had someone help me set it up.  I think I had another HDMI set up.
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


Hi!

I can't comment any further then I have already done on this thread but I'm 
wondering if the equipment Gary is using has limited HDMI connectivity, that 
is to say only 1 HDMI port for example, if this is the case then that may 
cause problems given that you either have the Cable Box connected or the 
Apple TV connected so perhaps that's what Gary' getting at when he says he 
should have a choice of watching Apple TV or Cable? So Gary yes please, give 
us more details and I'm sure we'll be able to find a solution to the 
problem.



On 24 Feb 2014, at 2:28 am, Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com wrote:


Gary,

My response last night got stuck so is late, but the Apple TV shouldn't 
affect cable at all, it doesn't generally even use the same connections 
unless you're
using an HDMI cable from your cable box.  Please explain more about your 
setup.


Also, I've had an Apple TV for a year now and am very happy.  There are a 
good number of things you can do with it for free.  For example, you can
search for and watch a lot on YouTube, and there is a radio option that 
has a good number of options as well.  There is a lot that can be watched 
on PBS
as well.  While not free, the $7.99 a month Netflix streaming option let's 
you watch a lot of stuff on your Apple TV without paying for each program. 
If you
have other Apple devices such as an iPhone, there are some things you can 
do to share iTunes music between devices, and you can send your iPhone
output to your Apple TV which is nice if you have your Apple TV connected 
to a stereo.  You will need an Apple ID, but you don't need to pay to get 
that.


While Dane is correct that there are restrictions, the big one being that 
accessing your personal music must be done through iTunes, there are home
sharing options that let you access music from another computer on your 
network that provide some flexibility.  I have found the Netflix interface 
to be
much nicer than accessing it through a computer.  It would be interesting 
to know how Raspberry Pie handles that.  When someone says It's 
accessible
but not out of the box and there are several ways to go as was said about 
Raspberry pie, that sets off alarm bells for me.  Since you have already 
made
the purchase of the Apple TV, I'd be surprised if you regret it.  What 
concerns me a little is that there may not be a clear understanding of 
what the Apple
TV is, and some of us can help with that.  Generally, you can pay to get 
some programming and you can get some for free, but there aren't really 
apps as
such.  You will have to select which input you want to be watching on your 
TV, and that isn't always simple on some TV's but can usually be mastered.
However, we need to understand better how your system is set up and what 
you already understand so that we don't give you a bunch of useless

information.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 04:09:14 -0500, Gary Wood wrote:

I did buy one.  We tried setting it up the other day, but for some 
reason, I
couldn't get anything on cable.  What's the advantages of the Rasberry 
Pie?
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV



The Apple TV is a separate device from your cable system, nothing 
whatever
to do with the cable system, are you thinking of buying one? The Apple TV 
is
a good system, I have one but there are better systems available such as 
the

Raspberry Pi running XMC Media Center.



On 23 Feb 2014, at 1:50 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:



When someone sets up Apple TV, can he or she still watch the cable
channels normally watched, or can they only watch ones on the Apple TV
system?




**



Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane




















**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Wood]

I hope I'm not confusing things, but when I get Apple TV set up again, I 
want to use the things I want to use it for, but if I want to watch my usual 
programs, can I still be able to do so?  I hope this cleans things up, but I 
will try again with it, but I don't want to lose my cable again.
- Original Message - 
From: Gary Wood k8...@att.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV



I had someone help me set it up.  I think I had another HDMI set up.
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


Hi!

I can't comment any further then I have already done on this thread but 
I'm wondering if the equipment Gary is using has limited HDMI 
connectivity, that is to say only 1 HDMI port for example, if this is the 
case then that may cause problems given that you either have the Cable Box 
connected or the Apple TV connected so perhaps that's what Gary' getting 
at when he says he should have a choice of watching Apple TV or Cable? So 
Gary yes please, give us more details and I'm sure we'll be able to find a 
solution to the problem.



On 24 Feb 2014, at 2:28 am, Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com 
wrote:



Gary,

My response last night got stuck so is late, but the Apple TV shouldn't 
affect cable at all, it doesn't generally even use the same connections 
unless you're
using an HDMI cable from your cable box.  Please explain more about your 
setup.


Also, I've had an Apple TV for a year now and am very happy.  There are a 
good number of things you can do with it for free.  For example, you can
search for and watch a lot on YouTube, and there is a radio option that 
has a good number of options as well.  There is a lot that can be watched 
on PBS
as well.  While not free, the $7.99 a month Netflix streaming option 
let's you watch a lot of stuff on your Apple TV without paying for each 
program. If you
have other Apple devices such as an iPhone, there are some things you can 
do to share iTunes music between devices, and you can send your iPhone
output to your Apple TV which is nice if you have your Apple TV connected 
to a stereo.  You will need an Apple ID, but you don't need to pay to get 
that.


While Dane is correct that there are restrictions, the big one being that 
accessing your personal music must be done through iTunes, there are home
sharing options that let you access music from another computer on your 
network that provide some flexibility.  I have found the Netflix 
interface to be
much nicer than accessing it through a computer.  It would be interesting 
to know how Raspberry Pie handles that.  When someone says It's 
accessible
but not out of the box and there are several ways to go as was said 
about Raspberry pie, that sets off alarm bells for me.  Since you have 
already made
the purchase of the Apple TV, I'd be surprised if you regret it.  What 
concerns me a little is that there may not be a clear understanding of 
what the Apple
TV is, and some of us can help with that.  Generally, you can pay to get 
some programming and you can get some for free, but there aren't really 
apps as
such.  You will have to select which input you want to be watching on 
your TV, and that isn't always simple on some TV's but can usually be 
mastered.
However, we need to understand better how your system is set up and what 
you already understand so that we don't give you a bunch of useless

information.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 04:09:14 -0500, Gary Wood wrote:

I did buy one.  We tried setting it up the other day, but for some 
reason, I
couldn't get anything on cable.  What's the advantages of the Rasberry 
Pie?
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV



The Apple TV is a separate device from your cable system, nothing 
whatever
to do with the cable system, are you thinking of buying one? The Apple 
TV is
a good system, I have one but there are better systems available such as 
the

Raspberry Pi running XMC Media Center.



On 23 Feb 2014, at 1:50 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:



When someone sets up Apple TV, can he or she still watch the cable
channels normally watched, or can they only watch ones on the Apple TV
system?




**



Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane




















**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane

RE: Apple TV

[Brett Boyer]

Ok let me see if I can figure this out. I just got Apple TV last month and I
had an interesting time getting it set up because I was new to the whole hd
thing.
I started by not having an HDMI tv. So when I got Apple tv it was completely
useless. I found an HDMI port on my cable box and thought HDMI could be
input or output, turned out they only go one way. So I needed a tv with HDMI
connections no matter how I sliced it. I even looked around for a box that
converts HDMI in to RCA to keep using my old tv.
So after buying an hd tv, it has a few HDMI inputs. So now when I want to
watch cable I press HDMI1 and when I want to watch apple tv I push HDMI 2 on
my remote.
Don't know if I helped but I tried...
bb

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 12:30 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple TV

I hope I'm not confusing things, but when I get Apple TV set up again, I
want to use the things I want to use it for, but if I want to watch my usual
programs, can I still be able to do so?  I hope this cleans things up, but I
will try again with it, but I don't want to lose my cable again.
- Original Message -
From: Gary Wood k8...@att.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


I had someone help me set it up.  I think I had another HDMI set up.
 - Original Message -
 From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:12 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple TV


 Hi!

 I can't comment any further then I have already done on this thread 
 but I'm wondering if the equipment Gary is using has limited HDMI 
 connectivity, that is to say only 1 HDMI port for example, if this is 
 the case then that may cause problems given that you either have the 
 Cable Box connected or the Apple TV connected so perhaps that's what 
 Gary' getting at when he says he should have a choice of watching 
 Apple TV or Cable? So Gary yes please, give us more details and I'm 
 sure we'll be able to find a solution to the problem.


 On 24 Feb 2014, at 2:28 am, Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com
 wrote:

 Gary,

 My response last night got stuck so is late, but the Apple TV 
 shouldn't affect cable at all, it doesn't generally even use the same 
 connections unless you're using an HDMI cable from your cable box.  
 Please explain more about your setup.

 Also, I've had an Apple TV for a year now and am very happy.  There 
 are a good number of things you can do with it for free.  For 
 example, you can search for and watch a lot on YouTube, and there is 
 a radio option that has a good number of options as well.  There is a 
 lot that can be watched on PBS as well.  While not free, the $7.99 a 
 month Netflix streaming option let's you watch a lot of stuff on your 
 Apple TV without paying for each program. If you have other Apple 
 devices such as an iPhone, there are some things you can do to share 
 iTunes music between devices, and you can send your iPhone output to 
 your Apple TV which is nice if you have your Apple TV connected to a 
 stereo.  You will need an Apple ID, but you don't need to pay to get 
 that.

 While Dane is correct that there are restrictions, the big one being 
 that accessing your personal music must be done through iTunes, there 
 are home sharing options that let you access music from another 
 computer on your network that provide some flexibility.  I have found 
 the Netflix interface to be much nicer than accessing it through a 
 computer.  It would be interesting to know how Raspberry Pie handles 
 that.  When someone says It's accessible but not out of the box and 
 there are several ways to go as was said about Raspberry pie, that 
 sets off alarm bells for me.  Since you have already made the 
 purchase of the Apple TV, I'd be surprised if you regret it.  What 
 concerns me a little is that there may not be a clear understanding 
 of what the Apple TV is, and some of us can help with that.  
 Generally, you can pay to get some programming and you can get some 
 for free, but there aren't really apps as such.  You will have to 
 select which input you want to be watching on your TV, and that isn't 
 always simple on some TV's but can usually be mastered.
 However, we need to understand better how your system is set up and 
 what you already understand so that we don't give you a bunch of 
 useless information.

 Best regards,

 Steve Jacobson

 On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 04:09:14 -0500, Gary Wood wrote:

 I did buy one.  We tried setting it up the other day, but for some 
 reason, I couldn't get anything on cable.  What's the advantages of 
 the Rasberry Pie?
 - Original Message -
 From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:42 AM
 Subject: Re: Apple TV

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Wood]

Thanks for the help.  I'll have to try that.  Do you happen to know where 
those buttons are on your cable remote?  When I get the Apple TV hooked up 
again, I'll try it.
- Original Message - 
From: Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:37 AM
Subject: RE: Apple TV


Ok let me see if I can figure this out. I just got Apple TV last month and 
I
had an interesting time getting it set up because I was new to the whole 
hd

thing.
I started by not having an HDMI tv. So when I got Apple tv it was 
completely

useless. I found an HDMI port on my cable box and thought HDMI could be
input or output, turned out they only go one way. So I needed a tv with 
HDMI

connections no matter how I sliced it. I even looked around for a box that
converts HDMI in to RCA to keep using my old tv.
So after buying an hd tv, it has a few HDMI inputs. So now when I want to
watch cable I press HDMI1 and when I want to watch apple tv I push HDMI 2 
on

my remote.
Don't know if I helped but I tried...
bb

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary 
Wood

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 12:30 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple TV

I hope I'm not confusing things, but when I get Apple TV set up again, I
want to use the things I want to use it for, but if I want to watch my 
usual
programs, can I still be able to do so?  I hope this cleans things up, but 
I

will try again with it, but I don't want to lose my cable again.
- Original Message -
From: Gary Wood k8...@att.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV



I had someone help me set it up.  I think I had another HDMI set up.
- Original Message -
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


Hi!

I can't comment any further then I have already done on this thread
but I'm wondering if the equipment Gary is using has limited HDMI
connectivity, that is to say only 1 HDMI port for example, if this is
the case then that may cause problems given that you either have the
Cable Box connected or the Apple TV connected so perhaps that's what
Gary' getting at when he says he should have a choice of watching
Apple TV or Cable? So Gary yes please, give us more details and I'm
sure we'll be able to find a solution to the problem.


On 24 Feb 2014, at 2:28 am, Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com
wrote:


Gary,

My response last night got stuck so is late, but the Apple TV
shouldn't affect cable at all, it doesn't generally even use the same
connections unless you're using an HDMI cable from your cable box.
Please explain more about your setup.

Also, I've had an Apple TV for a year now and am very happy.  There
are a good number of things you can do with it for free.  For
example, you can search for and watch a lot on YouTube, and there is
a radio option that has a good number of options as well.  There is a
lot that can be watched on PBS as well.  While not free, the $7.99 a
month Netflix streaming option let's you watch a lot of stuff on your
Apple TV without paying for each program. If you have other Apple
devices such as an iPhone, there are some things you can do to share
iTunes music between devices, and you can send your iPhone output to
your Apple TV which is nice if you have your Apple TV connected to a
stereo.  You will need an Apple ID, but you don't need to pay to get
that.

While Dane is correct that there are restrictions, the big one being
that accessing your personal music must be done through iTunes, there
are home sharing options that let you access music from another
computer on your network that provide some flexibility.  I have found
the Netflix interface to be much nicer than accessing it through a
computer.  It would be interesting to know how Raspberry Pie handles
that.  When someone says It's accessible but not out of the box and
there are several ways to go as was said about Raspberry pie, that
sets off alarm bells for me.  Since you have already made the
purchase of the Apple TV, I'd be surprised if you regret it.  What
concerns me a little is that there may not be a clear understanding
of what the Apple TV is, and some of us can help with that.
Generally, you can pay to get some programming and you can get some
for free, but there aren't really apps as such.  You will have to
select which input you want to be watching on your TV, and that isn't
always simple on some TV's but can usually be mastered.
However, we need to understand better how your system is set up and
what you already understand so that we don't give you a bunch of
useless information.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 04:09:14 -0500, Gary Wood wrote:


I did buy one.  We tried setting it up the other day, but for some
reason

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Schindler]

I think you would be better off to use an HDMI input on the TV, maybe you 
have to buy an HDMI to analog converter for an older set, and things would 
be less confusing for you. Also hopefully you have a broadband connection 
too!



- Original Message - 
From: Gary Wood k8...@att.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


I hope I'm not confusing things, but when I get Apple TV set up again, I 
want to use the things I want to use it for, but if I want to watch my 
usual programs, can I still be able to do so?  I hope this cleans things 
up, but I will try again with it, but I don't want to lose my cable again.
- Original Message - 
From: Gary Wood k8...@att.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV



I had someone help me set it up.  I think I had another HDMI set up.
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


Hi!

I can't comment any further then I have already done on this thread but 
I'm wondering if the equipment Gary is using has limited HDMI 
connectivity, that is to say only 1 HDMI port for example, if this is the 
case then that may cause problems given that you either have the Cable 
Box connected or the Apple TV connected so perhaps that's what Gary' 
getting at when he says he should have a choice of watching Apple TV or 
Cable? So Gary yes please, give us more details and I'm sure we'll be 
able to find a solution to the problem.



On 24 Feb 2014, at 2:28 am, Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com 
wrote:



Gary,

My response last night got stuck so is late, but the Apple TV shouldn't 
affect cable at all, it doesn't generally even use the same connections 
unless you're
using an HDMI cable from your cable box.  Please explain more about your 
setup.


Also, I've had an Apple TV for a year now and am very happy.  There are 
a good number of things you can do with it for free.  For example, you 
can
search for and watch a lot on YouTube, and there is a radio option that 
has a good number of options as well.  There is a lot that can be 
watched on PBS
as well.  While not free, the $7.99 a month Netflix streaming option 
let's you watch a lot of stuff on your Apple TV without paying for each 
program. If you
have other Apple devices such as an iPhone, there are some things you 
can do to share iTunes music between devices, and you can send your 
iPhone
output to your Apple TV which is nice if you have your Apple TV 
connected to a stereo.  You will need an Apple ID, but you don't need to 
pay to get that.


While Dane is correct that there are restrictions, the big one being 
that accessing your personal music must be done through iTunes, there 
are home
sharing options that let you access music from another computer on your 
network that provide some flexibility.  I have found the Netflix 
interface to be
much nicer than accessing it through a computer.  It would be 
interesting to know how Raspberry Pie handles that.  When someone says 
It's accessible
but not out of the box and there are several ways to go as was said 
about Raspberry pie, that sets off alarm bells for me.  Since you have 
already made
the purchase of the Apple TV, I'd be surprised if you regret it.  What 
concerns me a little is that there may not be a clear understanding of 
what the Apple
TV is, and some of us can help with that.  Generally, you can pay to get 
some programming and you can get some for free, but there aren't really 
apps as
such.  You will have to select which input you want to be watching on 
your TV, and that isn't always simple on some TV's but can usually be 
mastered.
However, we need to understand better how your system is set up and what 
you already understand so that we don't give you a bunch of useless

information.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 04:09:14 -0500, Gary Wood wrote:

I did buy one.  We tried setting it up the other day, but for some 
reason, I
couldn't get anything on cable.  What's the advantages of the Rasberry 
Pie?
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV



The Apple TV is a separate device from your cable system, nothing 
whatever
to do with the cable system, are you thinking of buying one? The Apple 
TV is
a good system, I have one but there are better systems available such 
as the

Raspberry Pi running XMC Media Center.



On 23 Feb 2014, at 1:50 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:



When someone sets up Apple TV, can he or she still watch the cable
channels normally watched, or can they only watch ones on the Apple TV
system?




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Re: Apple TV

[Steve Jacobson]

Gary,

The Apple TV must be plugged into an HDMI input.  If your cable box lets you 
switch between inputs as a few do, 
this should work.  Still, you have to be more specific if our answers are going 
to mean anything.  How is your 
cable box connected to your TV?  Does your cable box have an HDMI input as well 
as an HDMI output?  Does your TV 
have multiple HDMI inputs assuming that one is being used by your cable box?  
If you are not sure of all this, you 
will need to get someone who is familiar with these kinds of connections to 
give you a hand.  There are other 
variables as well, just too many to guess at.  Cable boxes can generally be 
connected to a TV by HDMI, other 
analog cables, or using an RF coaxial cable putting its signal on a TV chanel, 
but this last is not generally used 
on newer TV's.  Some cable boxes have the ability to add extra inputs, usually 
for games, and an apple TV could be 
plugged into such an input if it is an HDMI input.  TV's themselves often have 
more than one input, often to 
accommodate a DVD player, or games, etc.  an Apple TV could go there as well if 
the input is an HDMI input.  If a 
TV is not an HD TV and if it doesn't have HDMI inputs, one can buy converters 
as mentioned before that will allow 
an Apple TV to be plugged into older style inputs.  To figure this out, though, 
one has to have an idea of how it 
needs to be approached and what is available on a particular TV and Cable box.  
It is really very similar to 
figuring out how you would connect another input device such as a VCR or video 
game except that the Apple TV only 
has an HDMI output for audio and video.  There is another Optical audio input 
that could be used to connect to an 
audio system, but that's separate from the cable box issue.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 03:04:01 -0500, Gary Wood wrote:

At this time, I don't have it set up, because I had to get a replacement for 
my cablebox.  You see, when a frind of mine got it plugged in, my cablebox 
wouldn't work.  I don't know if the box failed because she plugged the Apple 
TV into it, or not.  I hope that shouldn't effect it though.
- Original Message - 
From: Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


 Please explain more what you mean.  The Apple TV is an input to your 
 regular TV so it does not interfere with what you watch on your regular 
 TV.  The Apple
 TV only received programming from the internet so it does not receive 
 cable channels directly.  However, I'm not sure I answered your question.

 Best regards,

 Steve Jacobson

 On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:50:16 -0500, Gary Wood wrote:

When someone sets up Apple TV, can he or she still watch the cable 
channels normally watched, or can they only watch ones on the Apple TV 
system?




 

Apple TV

[Tom]

I wonder if the thread of Apple TV has been taken too far off
the topic of audio? Several people have left the list since
this issue has gone on and on.

Tom

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Wood]

I have that, and I will consider it.  Thanks.
- Original Message - 
From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


I think you would be better off to use an HDMI input on the TV, maybe you 
have to buy an HDMI to analog converter for an older set, and things would 
be less confusing for you. Also hopefully you have a broadband connection 
too!



- Original Message - 
From: Gary Wood k8...@att.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


I hope I'm not confusing things, but when I get Apple TV set up again, I 
want to use the things I want to use it for, but if I want to watch my 
usual programs, can I still be able to do so?  I hope this cleans things 
up, but I will try again with it, but I don't want to lose my cable again.
- Original Message - 
From: Gary Wood k8...@att.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV



I had someone help me set it up.  I think I had another HDMI set up.
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


Hi!

I can't comment any further then I have already done on this thread but 
I'm wondering if the equipment Gary is using has limited HDMI 
connectivity, that is to say only 1 HDMI port for example, if this is 
the case then that may cause problems given that you either have the 
Cable Box connected or the Apple TV connected so perhaps that's what 
Gary' getting at when he says he should have a choice of watching Apple 
TV or Cable? So Gary yes please, give us more details and I'm sure we'll 
be able to find a solution to the problem.



On 24 Feb 2014, at 2:28 am, Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com 
wrote:



Gary,

My response last night got stuck so is late, but the Apple TV shouldn't 
affect cable at all, it doesn't generally even use the same connections 
unless you're
using an HDMI cable from your cable box.  Please explain more about 
your setup.


Also, I've had an Apple TV for a year now and am very happy.  There are 
a good number of things you can do with it for free.  For example, you 
can
search for and watch a lot on YouTube, and there is a radio option that 
has a good number of options as well.  There is a lot that can be 
watched on PBS
as well.  While not free, the $7.99 a month Netflix streaming option 
let's you watch a lot of stuff on your Apple TV without paying for each 
program. If you
have other Apple devices such as an iPhone, there are some things you 
can do to share iTunes music between devices, and you can send your 
iPhone
output to your Apple TV which is nice if you have your Apple TV 
connected to a stereo.  You will need an Apple ID, but you don't need 
to pay to get that.


While Dane is correct that there are restrictions, the big one being 
that accessing your personal music must be done through iTunes, there 
are home
sharing options that let you access music from another computer on your 
network that provide some flexibility.  I have found the Netflix 
interface to be
much nicer than accessing it through a computer.  It would be 
interesting to know how Raspberry Pie handles that.  When someone says 
It's accessible
but not out of the box and there are several ways to go as was said 
about Raspberry pie, that sets off alarm bells for me.  Since you have 
already made
the purchase of the Apple TV, I'd be surprised if you regret it.  What 
concerns me a little is that there may not be a clear understanding of 
what the Apple
TV is, and some of us can help with that.  Generally, you can pay to 
get some programming and you can get some for free, but there aren't 
really apps as
such.  You will have to select which input you want to be watching on 
your TV, and that isn't always simple on some TV's but can usually be 
mastered.
However, we need to understand better how your system is set up and 
what you already understand so that we don't give you a bunch of 
useless

information.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 04:09:14 -0500, Gary Wood wrote:

I did buy one.  We tried setting it up the other day, but for some 
reason, I
couldn't get anything on cable.  What's the advantages of the Rasberry 
Pie?
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV



The Apple TV is a separate device from your cable system, nothing 
whatever
to do with the cable system, are you thinking of buying one? The Apple 
TV is
a good system, I have one but there are better systems available such 
as the

Raspberry Pi running XMC Media Center.



On 23 Feb 2014, at 1:50 pm, Gary

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Wood]

I'm sorry about this.  I was just having some difficulties, and I was just 
wondering if someone on the list could help me with it.  I thought maybe 
someone had mentioned something about Apple TV before, and that's why I 
asked.  I'm sorry if some people may have left the list for that reason.
- Original Message - 
From: Tom t...@pc-audio.org

To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:46 PM
Subject: Apple TV



I wonder if the thread of Apple TV has been taken too far off
the topic of audio? Several people have left the list since
this issue has gone on and on.

Tom

Product Evaluation: Apple TV 3rd Generation: Apple Maintains Accessibility Excellence - AccessWorld? - February 2013

[Dane Trethowan]

http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw140206 


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Re: Product Evaluation: Apple TV 3rd Generation: Apple Maintains Accessibility Excellence - AccessWorld? - February 2013

[Chris H]

Thanks for sharing. Just read the article. I think they missed quite an 
important feature. You can now control your Apple TV via a bluetooth 
keyboard such as the Apple BT keyboard. Just thought I would mention 
this. Overall this product sounds good and have toyed the idea. But now 
I have an iPad for all my music listening and maybe video watching needs 
I am not considering it at this time. Again thanks for sharing.


Regards Chris

On 24/02/2014 21:07, Dane Trethowan wrote:



http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw140206


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Re: Product Evaluation: Apple TV 3rd Generation: Apple Maintains Accessibility Excellence - AccessWorld? - February 2013

[Chris H]

Oh and I forgot to mention in the U.S. and Australia only iTunes Radio 
will also be available on the Apple TV. I no doubt suspect this is in 
the form of an application.


Regards Chris

On 24/02/2014 21:39, Chris H wrote:

Thanks for sharing. Just read the article. I think they missed quite an
important feature. You can now control your Apple TV via a bluetooth
keyboard such as the Apple BT keyboard. Just thought I would mention
this. Overall this product sounds good and have toyed the idea. But now
I have an iPad for all my music listening and maybe video watching needs
I am not considering it at this time. Again thanks for sharing.

Regards Chris

On 24/02/2014 21:07, Dane Trethowan wrote:



http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw140206


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Re: Product Evaluation: Apple TV 3rd Generation: Apple Maintains Accessibility Excellence - AccessWorld? - February 2013

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes, its available in Australia though I don't think the service on the Apple 
TV is quite the same as that available on your Computer, iPhone etc, with those 
editions you can create your own stations whereas with the version available 
through the Apple TV you can only listen to predifined channels, have to play a 
little more.


On 25 Feb 2014, at 8:41 am, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh and I forgot to mention in the U.S. and Australia only iTunes Radio will 
 also be available on the Apple TV. I no doubt suspect this is in the form of 
 an application.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 On 24/02/2014 21:39, Chris H wrote:
 Thanks for sharing. Just read the article. I think they missed quite an
 important feature. You can now control your Apple TV via a bluetooth
 keyboard such as the Apple BT keyboard. Just thought I would mention
 this. Overall this product sounds good and have toyed the idea. But now
 I have an iPad for all my music listening and maybe video watching needs
 I am not considering it at this time. Again thanks for sharing.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 On 24/02/2014 21:07, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 
 
 http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw140206
 
 
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 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
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 Mobile: +61400494862
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Re: Product Evaluation: Apple TV 3rd Generation: Apple Maintains Accessibility Excellence - AccessWorld? - February 2013

[Dane Trethowan]

To be fair, the article came out quite some time ago before that update was 
available.

There are quite a few other things the Evaluation missed however that's not 
really the point, the point being that people can read the article to find out 
how the Apple TV works, what it does, how it connects, what's accessible and so 
on.

On 25 Feb 2014, at 8:39 am, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for sharing. Just read the article. I think they missed quite an 
 important feature. You can now control your Apple TV via a bluetooth keyboard 
 such as the Apple BT keyboard. Just thought I would mention this. Overall 
 this product sounds good and have toyed the idea. But now I have an iPad for 
 all my music listening and maybe video watching needs I am not considering it 
 at this time. Again thanks for sharing.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 On 24/02/2014 21:07, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 
 
 http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw140206
 
 
 **
 
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 Skype: grtdane12
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 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
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 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
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Re: Product Evaluation: Apple TV 3rd Generation: Apple Maintains Accessibility Excellence - AccessWorld? - February 2013

[Chris H]

Ar I see. Understood. Just thought I would point those out.

Regards Chris

On 24/02/2014 21:47, Dane Trethowan wrote:

To be fair, the article came out quite some time ago before that update was 
available.

There are quite a few other things the Evaluation missed however that's not 
really the point, the point being that people can read the article to find out 
how the Apple TV works, what it does, how it connects, what's accessible and so 
on.

On 25 Feb 2014, at 8:39 am, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:


Thanks for sharing. Just read the article. I think they missed quite an 
important feature. You can now control your Apple TV via a bluetooth keyboard 
such as the Apple BT keyboard. Just thought I would mention this. Overall this 
product sounds good and have toyed the idea. But now I have an iPad for all my 
music listening and maybe video watching needs I am not considering it at this 
time. Again thanks for sharing.

Regards Chris

On 24/02/2014 21:07, Dane Trethowan wrote:



http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw140206


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Re: Apple TV

[Antonio Guimaraes]

Speaking of leaving the list, I'd like to know how I can do just that. There is 
no link at the end of list messages for managing subscription, and I don't know 
how to get to a moderator except by responding on list.

I'm not leaving based on this thread. I just haven't found time to read even 
the messages on software I use.

I've also thought of discussing Mac software like Amadeus, and somehow felt 
funny about bringing it up on the PC audio list.

I suspect Mac audio would eventually be embraced, maybe the list even broaden 
to accommodate for that.

I'll take an audio break for the time being.

I hope the moderators will not remove me from this list for posting something 
off topic. Rather I'd like to know how I can manage my own subscription. Each 
would produce the intended result of unsubscribing me, though.

Thanks,

Antonio

On Feb 24, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Tom t...@pc-audio.org wrote:

 I wonder if the thread of Apple TV has been taken too far off
 the topic of audio? Several people have left the list since
 this issue has gone on and on.
 
 Tom
 
 

Re: Apple TV

[Gary Wood]

I did buy one.  We tried setting it up the other day, but for some reason, I 
couldn't get anything on cable.  What's the advantages of the Rasberry Pie?
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV


The Apple TV is a separate device from your cable system, nothing whatever 
to do with the cable system, are you thinking of buying one? The Apple TV is 
a good system, I have one but there are better systems available such as the 
Raspberry Pi running XMC Media Center.


On 23 Feb 2014, at 1:50 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

When someone sets up Apple TV, can he or she still watch the cable 
channels normally watched, or can they only watch ones on the Apple TV 
system?



**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
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